cases-psu-and-cooling

[bleak holly]

cheapest I can find it seems.

@blissful thistle, sorry for the ping but do you know if the NX200M can support a 280mm AIO? Cause I noticed it lists support for 2x140mm fans up front but doesn't say it supports 280mm aio just wanted to confirm.

[blissful thistle]

I'm not sure, but I'll find out

It doesnt

Ap201 does

Could you find the nx500m in Mexico around the same price as 200m?

It fits 280s

[bleak holly]

Lemme see

[blissful thistle]

And normally costs about the same, atleast in us and Canada

[bleak holly]

2x the price.

[blissful thistle]

Ah that's annoying

[bleak holly]

Pardon my language but man mexico has some

They charge all sorts of taxes on tech. 16% on the product and shipment of the product + border tax + other stuff.

Though I am gonna be here for a full year soo yeah...

[sand atlas]

Import tariffs are huge in mexico still

[bleak holly]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Sxhlseller-Escritorio-Memoria-Repuesto-Computadora/dp/B0CHPRBS8Z/ref=sr_1_8?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=D6S5M16U0FHJ&keywords=DDR4%2B32GB%2B3600&qid=1698517072&refinements=p_36%3A-160000&rnid=9754432011&sprefix=ddr4%2B32gb%2B3600%2Caps%2C94&sr=8-8&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.4e545b5e-1d45-498b-8193-a253464ffa47&th=1

lmao

Honestly decent specs though and cheaper then all competitors

[scenic lance]

Any sleeper pc tips? Probably dumbest question I’ve asked lol.

Also any good ways to make a motherboard elevated off the base of a case?

Like a old style case where the motherboard needs to be elevated but is flat

Lemme rephrase that

Rather than the motherboard being normal like a building or tower, the motherboard is positioned like a plate

Sorry if I’m bad at describing, do t have picture perms yet

[blissful thistle]

Wdym by tips?

Like suggestions for a build list? Or what to look for?

And you can dm me a picture of what you mean, bc I've no idea what you mean lol

[sand atlas]

Sounds to me like he needs a standoff or washer

[fierce pivot]

Sleeping on it is way more comfortable if you add a few pillows and blankets

[scenic lance]

It’ll nock it’s lights out

[urban tulip]

Nooooooooooo pato the dust.... 😭

[fierce pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[urban tulip]

Time to detechie you

[scenic lance]

So proud of myself

Still got work to do but so far it works perfectly

[sand atlas]

Looking good so far, the finished piece will be great at this rate

[scenic lance]

Thx, gotta put the GPU in it and I should be done

[oak mirage]

are segotep halo 6 case good?

[sand atlas]

Glass front with near no space for air so that's a no

I think that case has less vent space than the H510 elite

[oak mirage]

what case would u recommend for <50$

im from romania btw

[blissful thistle]

look for anything that has a mesh front

for that price you probably wont get anything amazing, but at least look for that

[oak mirage]

ok

[sand atlas]

https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/mr/pcgaragero/b9tKHx

[blissful thistle]

didnt know there was a romanian pcpartpicker, nice find

[oak mirage]

ty so much man

lol a life saver

what do you think about this psu? https://www.pcgarage.ro/surse/seasonic/g12-gm-750-80-plus-gold-750w/

[sand atlas]

Focus GM is A tier

[blissful thistle]

what gpu and cpu?

[oak mirage]

rx 6700xt r5 7600x

[blissful thistle]

this would be fine https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/product/GBjRsY/deepcool-pk650d-650-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-r-pk650d-fa0b-us

wait let me double check that that might be the wrong model

[sand atlas]

C tier

Which is acceptable for those parts

[blissful thistle]

ah thought it was B, but yeah

this should also be fine https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/product/mnVmP6/msi-mag-a550bn-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-mag-a550bn

C tier too

[oak mirage]

can you explain what that tier represent

is it about efficiency

[blissful thistle]

how good a psu is, A tier is high end

[sand atlas]

The tiers and the criteria are all here https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[blissful thistle]

C tier is perfectly fine with a 6700xt

[sand atlas]

The tiers are about the actual quality of the units and the protections they have (or don't have)

Efficiency is not a factor at all except for untiered units being an automatic "avoid"

[oak mirage]

Wow that is very interesting learning something new everyday ty

[verbal shore]

Hello, I want to upgrade my current PSU which is a Corsair RM750x CP-9020179-NA. But I don't wanna replace all the cables. I'll probably get one of these PSUs can I reuse the cables from my current one?
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rmx-series-rm1000x-cp-9020201-na-1000w/p/N82E16817139273?Item=N82E16817139273&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-17-139-273-_-11022023

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rm1200x-shift-cp-9020254-na-1200w/p/N82E16817139304?Item=N82E16817139304&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-17-139-304-_-11022023

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rm1000x-shift-cp-9020253-na-1000-w/p/N82E16817139303?Item=N82E16817139303&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-17-139-303-_-11022023

I'm going at least 1000w bc I'll probably upgrade from a 3070 to a 4080ti (if it comes out) or a 4090 early next year. And getting a 5800x3D to upgrade my 5600x.

[blissful thistle]

Thr rmx 750 can run a 4090 with a 5800x3d without issue

Very easily too

[sand atlas]

850W if you're a psycho using a 14900k

[bleak holly]

Something must be wrong with me.

For the first time I actually think a pc case with a box for a shape is kinda nice looking. Looking at the O11D Evo XL.

[bleak holly]

I think I am in love. The v3000 Plus is gorgeous.

[verbal shore]

Oh really? I thought I needed to upgrade my PSU. That's great to know then. One less thing to change lol

I won't OC either

[verbal shore]

Only thing is, 4090s use 4 GPU connectors, my PSU only has support for 2 though.

[sand atlas]

Use the pigtail connectors, they can handle it on corsair units, or get the official adapter cable https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cp-8920284/600w-pcie-5-0-12vhpwr-type-4-psu-power-cable-cp-8920284

[blissful thistle]

Just to explain further off what fal said, corsair psu cables are rated for a lot more than the standard 150w, meaning it'd be fine to use the pigtails

Psus are one of two things corsair does right

[verbal shore]

Thank you both for the explanation. I think I'll get the official cable so its a bit cleaner than the 4 pigtails. That type 4 cable works on my rmx750 right?

[sand atlas]

Yes it does

Happy to help

[verbal shore]

Thanks!

[oak mirage]

88.50 euros opinion on psu?

[blissful thistle]

It's OK, what gpu are you running?

That should handle a 4090, but possibly not a 3080/3090 since it doesn't handle transient spikes very well (high end 30 series had high power spikes, where it'd shoot from like 200w to twice that for a second and then back down)

An undervolt helps that though

[oak mirage]

rx 6700 xt

[past harbor]

That's plenty of psu.

[blissful thistle]

It's more than fine, if there aren't noticeably cheaper options go for it

If there are it might be worth considering some of them, depending on the price diff and what models they are

[icy cape]

thoughts on this case?

https://www.amazon.com/Fractal-Design-North-Slate-Gray/dp/B09V878FXQ/ref=asc_df_B09V878FXQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=652397596695&hvpos=&

[mild roost]

north is good

[icy cape]

im not sure what to go for yet

mesh side or glass

[sand atlas]

If you'll have a large GPU in then I'd go glass, but if the GPU is short enough I'd go mesh and put fans on the mesh side

Just my personal thoughts on it

[vocal tree]

why is that

[sand atlas]

Taller GPU would block the fan slots on the mesh so might as well go glass

The mesh would still help if it fits but the glass allows slightly taller GPUs

[vocal tree]

oh there's fan slots on it

wild

[atomic falcon]

Hey, i dont know if im at the right place for this but i called a case and i realised 3 months later (when i started building the PC) that a piece was broken . ( the glass hinge, see pic)

does anywone knows if there are spare ones u can buy on newegg or anywhere else for the Thermaltake View 71 Tempered Glass Snow Edition 4-Sided Tempered Glass E-ATX Vertical GPU Modular Gaming Full Tower Computer Case CA-1I7-00F6WN-00 https://www.newegg.ca/white-thermaltake-view-71-tempered-glass-snow-edition-atx-full-tower/p/N82E16811133377?Item=N82E16811133377&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-11-133-377-_-11132023

[mild roost]

email thermaltake

ask if they sell spare parts

[atomic falcon]

okay thank you very much 😄

[long sphinx]

for my next case i want to do either the nzxt h6, or the montech king 95, just wanted thoughts, h6 has really promising airflow/temps, and also looks really nice to me. same with king95 which comes out start of december, but no temps/reviews for that yet. (nzxt case is the full purple)

[serene siren]

Montech

Unless that H6 competes in price and included fan count, montech

[long sphinx]

both are gonna be around 100-110

then nonrgb black h6 is like 103 usd rn

[serene siren]

Yeah but how many fans in the h6

[long sphinx]

3 I believe

[serene siren]

Cos nzxt likes to shirk fans

Yeah montech

[long sphinx]

maybe 4

[serene siren]

Montech will be full of fans no

[long sphinx]

i think 4

3 for sure

[serene siren]

Ehh not full?

[long sphinx]

i remember reading up on it a few weeks ago

i believe theres a version w/ fans for

more

without is around 110

i think

im also gonna get a nicer and bigger desk for my setup too

think im gonna use christmas and that money i was gonna use for a 6950xt and make my setup actually look appealing to me lol

also a proper monitor lol

[serene siren]

Well you could decide on aesthetic then

Is the h6 even with curved glass?

[long sphinx]

h6 isnt curved

the curved on the montech one got me excited

but that rgb bar on the side

is kinda tacky imo

i hope they have an option without it

i think this is the look I want to go for

or something similar

[serene siren]

Could just turn off the rgb strip or not connect it

Can't work if it don't have power

[long sphinx]

mhm, i'll wait until december to see the king95 reviews and make my final decision then

[serene siren]

Personally that curve gives me like, hyte vibes lol

[long sphinx]

mhm lol

[subtle lodge]

Thats a huge desk lmfao

Here I thought a 60 inch was kinda big

[bleak holly]

60 inch is small, xD.

I got used to having 120in L-Shaped desk and a while and man was that nice to have so much more space to work with.

[bleak holly]

The left hinge on my father's MSI Sword laptop popped open, can I reseal it with glue?

[sand atlas]

You'll need some pretty strong glue or it'll pop off again

And it's very likely that a bad hinge will damage the display cable

[soft crest]

Hello, I’m a noob and I’m building my first pc. I bought this case from new egg and the fans that came installed don’t look like regular fans that will hook up to the normal fan headers on the MB. The connections are bigger and they are piggy backed to each other. So do these hook up to the psu directly or do I need additional hardware?

Would be easier if i could send pics to show what they looked like.

[blissful thistle]

Is it four circles?

If so that's molex

Connects to psu

[drifting parcel]

i ordered a wrong Wattage PSU, if i order another one, should i keep the PSU i ordered wrong for future pc builds or is that not a good idea

i think i’ll just return it but wanted opinions

[blissful thistle]

Psus dont go bad from sitting around

What psu is it?

And whatd it cost?

[drifting parcel]

Phanteks PSU

1000W gold

[blissful thistle]

Amp v2?

[drifting parcel]

for like $130

[blissful thistle]

Why's it the wrong wattage? Is it overkill?

[drifting parcel]

yea

[blissful thistle]

Ah alr

I mean it's not bad to use an overkill psu, but if you're looking to spend less to have something more fitting the rest of the build that makes sense

Itd be fine to hold onto, and it'd be fine to return

[drifting parcel]

i see, thx

[blissful thistle]

What's the build?

[drifting parcel]

i’ll keep it before return period just in case PSU gets faulty and i’ll have a spare

[blissful thistle]

Rm750e can be had for $60-65 or so on tiktok shop

Or gx pro 750 should be $75 not on tt shop

[drifting parcel]

rtx 4080 ryzen 7 7800x3d

[blissful thistle]

Either of those would be a good choice then

Or xpg core reactor 850/seasonic gold 850 at $105 or $110

[drifting parcel]

that’s wattage like 600 i don’t think 1000 W is necessary

[blissful thistle]

Yeah its overkill for sure

Rm750e could handle a 4090 and 7800x3d fairly easily

[drifting parcel]

how accurate is pcpartpicker’s wattage number estimate anyways

[blissful thistle]

Not very

Wattage estimators are never good

[drifting parcel]

so does that meann u round up or down

for the number they provide u

[blissful thistle]

Neither, one sec

[drifting parcel]

for example if they say it’s 800 watt

do i get 850? 750? 1000?

[blissful thistle]

7800x3d shouldn't pull more than 100w, as a high estimate. 4080 at most 350, which is again a high estimate

Rest of the system won't use more than 50w

[drifting parcel]

yes i set a rough example

[blissful thistle]

I would just never trust a wattage estimator

4080 is fine on a good 650

[soft crest]

It’s got two prongs on one side and two open holes on the opposite.

[blissful thistle]

Rm750e would be a very sage option

[drifting parcel]

also what’s different between Gold and Platinum

[blissful thistle]

Dm me a pic?

[soft crest]

Okay

[blissful thistle]

Efficiency, unless you have very badly priced electricity it's nothing to focus on

[drifting parcel]

wdym by badly priced electricity

house electricity?

my house’s electricity is stable

rarely any shut downs

[blissful thistle]

Badly priced

Like

Expensive

[drifting parcel]

ohhhh

so platinum makes electricity bills less…?

[blissful thistle]

Slightly yes. But the difference between gold and platinum is very small

[drifting parcel]

how much wattages do each fans take? i’m gonna install 9 fans in my phanteks nv7 case

[blissful thistle]

A negligible amount

A few watts

[drifting parcel]

got it

that answered all my questions, thanks

[blissful thistle]

Rm750e would be a great choice for you, unless you need it to be white

Np

If you do need white the pretty much only option is gf1 snow

Also ye just checked, with a 20% off coupon the rm750e should be $61 after coupon

[drifting parcel]

[upbeat dew]

as a 4080 owner i can say that even on cyberpunk everything on psycho and rt on 1440p the card tops at 300W

[long sphinx]

i have a dilemma

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811146357

or

https://www.newegg.com/black-montech-king-95/p/N82E16811970001

if king95 didnt have that stupid rgb strip on the front

itd prob win me over

[blissful thistle]

You checked out nv5?

There's also a new o11 variant that has a glass top as well as front, $150

[long sphinx]

i saw it but thats not smth that intrests me

those two really appeal to me cause of the side intake on the h6, and the curved glass for the 95

[bleak holly]

What's the consensus on 12VHPWR cables? Safer to split it to 3-4 8pins or direct connection? I forgot.

[sand atlas]

Make sure it's plugged all the way in, and check it periodically to make sure it doesn't wiggle itself out.
Besides that, it depends on the GPU and PSU for what power cable config would be acceptable.

[shut adder]

I need help cross referencing a computer power supply. Antec BP430 it's obsolete. I need a power supply that will replace BP430

[blissful thistle]

Is this a pre built or your own build

And what gpu/cpu

Also case

[shut adder]

This is an Antec model. It comes out of a Tricaster tcxd-460

[blissful thistle]

https://www.newtek.com/tricaster/400-series/tech-specs/460/

?

I dont know if anyone here will know about that

[shut adder]

Here's a link to the psu that's inside the unit. It's an ANTEC BP430. It just looks like a fairly standard CPU PSU. https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-17-371-023

[sand atlas]

First of all, I'm not surprised a group regulated 80+ white unit died on you

Second, yeah that does appear to be a bog standard ATX power supply

[sand atlas]

This one's the same physical size as the one you linked
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x96p99/corsair-cx650m-2021-650-w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020221-na

But the problem is whether there's a way to not have the vent blocked

[shut adder]

Thanks yall

[sand atlas]

Before you buy that make sure there's a vent for the intake fan, I don't see any pictures of the bottom of the unit to see for myself

Or at least have enough gap between the fan and lid

[tame cape]

The hp office pc needed some airflow smh

That's obviously not a gpu
Just a regular sound card

[serene siren]

it makes sound

indeed

[tame cape]

Yep
Some kind of
Bzzzz
And
szzzzzzz

Sound card approved 👍

[mint terrace]

A bit of help is needed to see if Thermaltake G3 toughpower is good for my friend pc partpick list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NnHkjH

I'm not sure if Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply belongs to PSU Tier A or a different variant

[sand atlas]

GF3 is B tier because of some minor issues but it's still a great unit

Load regulation is a little worse than the requirement for A tier

It drooped from 12.1V to 11.95V during the load test

[mint terrace]

yikes

I'm switching to Super Flower Ledex VII Gold

for him

[sand atlas]

That's not dangerous in any way, it's well within spec. It's just the standard for A tier is very strict.

[pallid flare]

I guess its the weekend, worth an ask. Anyone got any good leads for a good sub $100 gold rated PSU?

[sand atlas]

https://www.newegg.com/be-quiet-pure-power-850w-850-w/p/1HU-004H-000S2

The 750W is $85 too

But the 850W for $90 after the $10 gift card is nice

[pallid flare]

My current pc can run on a 500, so...

though the be quiet PSUs look rather decent :D

[sand atlas]

Well if you're asking about gold rated I assume you mean you want A tier units. The efficiency rating has nothing to do with quality.

So the cheapest A tier unit currently is this https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-ttp-0650ah2flg-650-w/p/N82E16817153453

[pallid flare]

you would assume correctly

thanks for the help Fal, these be quiet units may be the ebst bang for bucks I can find so far

[sand atlas]

Yep that's why I suggested them, happy to help

[pallid flare]

I'll bookmark that be Quiet! 12M 550W power supply, thats a good deal and just what im looking for

oh wait all the be quiet models are out of stock :| heck back to the grind

[sand atlas]

Lower power units have been sold out for a long time and the higher wattage stuff has come down in price

[pallid flare]

EVGA SuperNOVA 650 GT
be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850W
Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 650W

out of these 3 options, can I go wrong choosing any of the three / opinions on which to (not)?

[sand atlas]

They're all B tier or better

[serene siren]

the cheapest

[sand atlas]

Which for a low power draw system like yours is more than enough

[pallid flare]

fair enough... that'd be 90, 85, or 85

[serene siren]

you could get the 850 if it's slightly more

yeah like 5 or 10 more I'd do 850

just so later, you can use 850

[pallid flare]

the 850 is 100 with a 10 giftcard, so effectively 90

[sand atlas]

But then for that same $85 you can get the 750W of this

[pallid flare]

...so its 85 all 3 ways would you look at that ._.

[serene siren]

850 for 90 is nice

That's my vote lol

[sand atlas]

Indeed

There's very little reason not to get more power if it's only $5 more

[serene siren]

or get rm750e for like, $70

using tiktok shop

OR

apevia prestige 600W for 52

[pallid flare]

Fal thank you for all the help. I watch the be quiet 550 and 750s get snatched up in real time

I didnt let the same thing happen to the 850

[tame cape]

I'm confused
I'm really confused
By molex connectors...
I recently saw at a local sale some molex adapters that had this pinout (from left to right) 5v, gnd, 12v, gnd. And I felt something wasn't quite right, I then found some more adapters that actually had a different pinout, being 5v, gnd, gnd and 12v.
What's going on lol

[mild roost]

molex experience

[tame cape]

Guess you also need a certificate in order to be able to plug in molex connectors, they're super annoying when the pins don't align

[mild roost]

all part of a cable that has no one standard

[past harbor]

Molex was a big "company", & many computer users don't realise what we often refer to isn't actually molex.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molex_connector (I forget how many psus use 1 or the other since I haven't touched either connector in years. Even my hdds were sata power since 10+ years ago of course.)

[long sphinx]

whats a really solid 850w psu that will actually be quiet under load

I want to try and return my current noisy 750rme and maybe get a new one for christmas

[blissful thistle]

What noise is it making?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jWFXsY/seasonic-focus-plus-gold-850w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-850fx
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WjcgXL/enermax-revolution-df-2-1050-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ers1050ewt

[long sphinx]

pretty sure its just coil whine

but its like super noticeable under load

under load as in legit just playing a game

[mild roost]

you can rma coil whine

[sand atlas]

Yep, and Corsair is really good about their warranty too

[long sphinx]

This

[mild roost]

that's one loud coil whine

[long sphinx]

yeah no kidding

i can hear it through my headphones sometimes which are noise canceling lol

i bought it from best buy, would it be best to try and go there to return it

or just rma it

cause ideally id like a good 850w for future upgrades

[sand atlas]

Corsair does cross shipping for RMA

Just ask

[long sphinx]

idk why i didnt go with that initially

[dusky rapids]

https://www.newegg.com/account/referral/SGLRVT?v=pdp-_-USA-_-1HD-0002-001J3-_--_-US231101-_-0-_-1HD-0002-001J3-_-gigabyte-b550m-aorus-elite&n=1c261484c6cae4ee33c5245217f4d8a8

Will this motherboard fit this case?

https://www.msi.com/PC-Case/MAG-VAMPIRIC-100R/Specification

[blissful thistle]

Yes, but do you own either of them yet?

Or do you already own a cpu?

[dusky rapids]

I have the case not the motherboard

[blissful thistle]

Do you already own a cpu?

[dusky rapids]

Amd ryzen 5 5600g don't know to get ryzen 7 5800x3d or r9

[blissful thistle]

Are you about to be buying a cpu

Or nah

[dusky rapids]

Nah

[blissful thistle]

If yes, am5 is the way to go

Ok

Then yeah that mobo is fine and will fit the case

[dusky rapids]

I have amd 5600g rn

Alright

[blissful thistle]

If you need wifi you can get a mobo that comes with wifi for the same price

[dusky rapids]

Alright

[blissful thistle]

Actually there's one for $85, if you'd like

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ytdrxr/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4ac-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-phantom-gaming-4ac

[dusky rapids]

Even better

[blissful thistle]

This is also fine https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T6YmP6/asus-tuf-gaming-a520m-plus-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-a520m-plus-wifi

It has better cpu power delivery, or VRMs

But either one is fine for a 5800x3d

[sand atlas]

That A520 also has flashback which can be a lifesaving feature in case you get an old bios version or it bricks during an update

[blissful thistle]

I didn't know any x20 or x10 mobos has flashback, cool

[sand atlas]

There's very little reason not to add it onto a board since it only costs them like $5 to do so

The only reason would be they're being cheap

[blissful thistle]

Meanwhile asus has a z690 without it

And I think z790 too

Tuf z690 I know for sure doesn't

[sand atlas]

Yeah assus really dropped the ball on 1700

That was a typo but I'm leaving it

[blissful thistle]

And am5 low key

[dusky rapids]

For ryzen 9 5900x should I buy a different cooler

Or I can just stay with the amd cooler

[sand atlas]

A new cooler would be recommended, the stock cooler can't handle it under heavy load.
I also don't recommend buying a 5900X right now unless you have very specific requirements, like you're doing multi core work (not gaming) and you're upgrading from something older on AM4. If you're gaming, the 5800X3D blows it away.

[dusky rapids]

Damn I'm late lol

[tawny oxide]

https://newegg.io/c40578f
Been seeing this PSU pop up everywhere lately, any good?

[slate creek]

Meh

[blissful thistle]

It's A tier, similar psus are around $100 right now

You won't really see the rgb, but if you want it because it has it go for it

If you dont care, don't bother w it

[tawny oxide]

I don’t care much about it, but just saw it on sale for an 850.

[little cargo]

Hi all, I was just referred here from NewEgg "Tech support". My PSU, model AL-D500EXP, is fried and I need a replacement. NewEgg lists it as out of stock. I am wondering if anyone would be able to help me to find a suitable replacement of the same rough dimensions to swap into the case. Thank you in advance.

I guess nevermind. Must be the nostalgic Boomer in me but I remember the days where companies you spent money with hired on capable people and provided support within minutes in order to get you what you needed and take their money. The fact that I'm pushed off to a community with barely daily activity is just... gut wrenching. I'll spend my time and money elsewhere.

[elfin trout]

As long as you don't need you don't need the floppy connector, something simple like this will do
https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-a550bn-550-w/p/N82E16817701012

[elfin trout]

Unfortunately, website support gets outsourced, who then they decide to outsource to us, who are unpaid volunteers

[viscid patrol]

honestly a few notable members of this community should be paid for all the tech support they've done free of charge

[sand atlas]

I'd say this is a better option than an email chain that takes 12-24 hours for each email

[serene siren]

I'd say it's a far better option to speak to us as volunteers than a lot of customer service representatives I've spoken to in the past, most of which when it comes to pc issues, refer to documentation and have little knowledge or experience themselves

Vs us with some spare time and no paycheck, but plenty of experience shared

[fringe pulsar]

Afternoon one and all. I have a Evga 850 G6 PSU (p/n 220-G6-0850) and the fan is making a bit of noise. I was wondering if it was possible to re-oil the fan itself, or would I be better off replacing/rma-ing it instead?

I can gain access to the fan itself, and notice a small hole, which I presume is where it can re-lubricated. But it appears to be sealed. I know older fans can be re-lubricated with oil ( 3-in-1 or sewing machine oil) but am unsure about the FDB fan that's in it.

Also it was a refurb from Amazon and has been working perfectly well until today. I can stick it on Eco mode for the interim, but ofc the fan will start grumbling eventually. I don't believe I registered it with Evga (my bad on that) so hence asking if I can access it and re-oil it. Thanks in advance.

[blissful thistle]

Never mess with the insides of a psu unless you're very experienced

Even if it's shut off, if you slip you could die if you touched the wrong thing

[fringe pulsar]

I understand that totally. The fan cover was the only part I removed to see if there was an access hole to insert more lubrication.

[elfin trout]

I believe fdb fans should have the lubricant completely sealed off, there shouldn't be a hole where you have access to the lubricant

[fringe pulsar]

Ok, if that's the case then looks like I would have to stump up for another PSU... wrong time for the fan to start playing up...#

[elfin trout]

You should still try to see if you can register it with EVGA and get a replacement under warranty

EVGA refurbished units should still have 1 year warranty without registering it

[fringe pulsar]

Good to know, but I think its over 1 year since I purchased it, but will at least give it a go, no harm in trying.

[serene siren]

Evga is normally excellent with warranties @fringe pulsar

I think you'd have very good chances with them

[fringe pulsar]

Ok, just went and registered and I have 3000+ days of warranty to go so lol. Surprised that it would be covered as it was a renewed unit bought over 18 months ago and that it wasn't registered after I received it. So kudos to EVGA for being very consumer friendly.

So sent in a ticket and will see what happens then. Thanks all for your help.

[elfin trout]

Nice, it still has its full warranty

[dusky rapids]

Is P450B fine with an ryzen 9 5900x and rx 6650xt?

450watts

[blissful thistle]

If I remember right that's either D or E tier

So no

[dusky rapids]

Alright

How many watts are needed exactly

[blissful thistle]

Yeah its D tier

Wattage is not the only thing that's important

There's ratings for psus based on how good or bad they are, done by and measured by people a lot smarter than me

[blissful thistle]

There's a tier list pinned in this channel, but what country are you in?

[dusky rapids]

The US

[blissful thistle]

A 350w psu would be fine, but it just depends on how good ot bad it is.

For the US, apevia Prestige 600w or msi ABN 650

Or for a nicer option, Thermaltake grand rgb 650

$80, but I'd trust it with a 4080. You spend more now, but have a bit more room for upgrading

[sand atlas]

The power supply is the one thing in the PC that you should never cheap out on. D tier units like that P450B would only be acceptable for systems that don't have dedicated graphics because if you apply to much load to the 12V rail too quickly, it shuts down. (and occasionally doesn't turn on again)

C tier is the minimum for systems with a GPU since they have better protections and overall quality

[dusky rapids]

This is whhat I have rn

I just wanna make sure everything cool for nothing to blow up lol

What power supply is needed for this upgrade?

[sand atlas]

I'd go with this, assuming you aren't planning on using a higher end GPU ever https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xLtKHx/apevia-prestige-600-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-atx-rp600w

[dusky rapids]

Alright

Les go so i should be in the clear now

Also does the power supply come with the cords or can I just use the ones that are already plugged in?

In the p450

[sand atlas]

It's not modular so you have no choice but to use the ones it comes with

[dusky rapids]

Alright

[sand atlas]

If you want something slightly more premium with modular cables (and B tier to boot) there's this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v4L7YJ/thermaltake-toughpower-grand-rgb-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpg-0650fpcgus-r

[dusky rapids]

Alright

[sand atlas]

(Never reuse old modular cables unless you like fire btw)

Corsair being a notable exception to that rule

[dusky rapids]

Noted use new cords with new power supplys

[blissful thistle]

Do you own any of this

Because if not I'd swap that around. If you're gaming, 7600 games like the 5800x3d. If you're doing multi core tasks, 13600k beats the 5900x in multi core and 5800x3d in gaming

[dusky rapids]

No I don't have any of this

[blissful thistle]

Are you just gaming?

And what parts do you already own from your current build that you're carrying over?

Case, ssd?

[dusky rapids]

The case is MSI mag vampiricr 100
The ssd is sk hyink 1tb

Thats it

[blissful thistle]

The case does look like a heater ngl, but you can change that later. For low power parts it'll be fine anyways

[blissful thistle]

Are you gaming?

[dusky rapids]

Yeah

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vBfxRK

[sand atlas]

The 5900X is one of the worst choices for gaming, even when it was new 3 years ago

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yWYRYN

[blissful thistle]

5900x games what, 4% better than the 5600?

[dusky rapids]

I switched the ryzen 9 for the x3d

[blissful thistle]

It's still not worth it though

[sand atlas]

Worse than the 5600 in a lot of cases, dual CCD latency issues

[blissful thistle]

The 5800x3d costs what, $300? That's the 7600+ ram

7600 slightly beats it, and you get a platform that has upgradability

[dusky rapids]

Is that a gpu? 7600?

[blissful thistle]

Only reason to go am4 anymore is if you already have a mobo+ ram, or you're on a very low budget

6700 non xt in the first list

It performs similarly to the 7600, either is a fine choice

[sand atlas]

It's a GPU and a CPU this year, thanks AMD for the confusion

[blissful thistle]

6700xt and 6650xt are too

Oh I misunderstood that lol

Yeah 7600 what were talking about is a cpu

It performs a bit better than the 5800x3d

[dusky rapids]

Mhm

I just wanna play games in max 1080p

[blissful thistle]

Also for upgradability since we're talking about it, this would give you even more headroom than the Thermaltake 650 one, but its just a matter of what you value/want to spend https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DkWBD3/adata-xpg-core-reactor-750-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-corereactor750g-bkcus

[blissful thistle]

The 7600 will do you much better than the 5900x for that

Like

15-20%

[dusky rapids]

7600x shall be then

[blissful thistle]

While being cheaper, coming with a cooler, and having upgradability

7600 non x is basically the same thing, it just consumes a lot less power and comes with a cooler

[dusky rapids]

Mhm

Do I have to get a new motherboard now

It's shows am5

[blissful thistle]

Did you already have the aorus b550?

[dusky rapids]

No

[blissful thistle]

Then yes

Look at the list I sent, there's a good b650 with wifi in there

It's matx, which is fine. Unless you really really want atx, in which case gigabyte gaming x ax

The ram in there is gauranteed hynix, which means down the line if you ever feel like it, you can spend 5 minutes in bios and get it to do either 6000c28 or 8000c32, depending on which hynix die you get (either M or A)

6700 is a bit behind the 3060 ti in performance

[dusky rapids]

I can't tell the difference between atx and mirco atx besides size

[sand atlas]

That's because there isn't one

Slightly larger board might have more expansion slots but most people don't care about that

[dusky rapids]

Mh.

[serene siren]

Some atx boards come with slightly beefier configurations for power delivery as well but for AM5 it truly doesn't matter

[past harbor]

Also don't expect really anything over 6400ish w/ AM5 so far.

[sand atlas]

You can absolutely go higher than 6400. You just can't do it without either obscene luck or desynchronising the uclk, which is kinda similar to Intel's gear 4.

[serene siren]

Pretty much^

Though 6600 works on some boards and cpu's

[tame cape]

Can someone help me figure out what my PSU problem could be?
My PC sometimes doesn't turn on from sleep when using the thermaltake pf3 1050w, those times when it doesn't the lights just flash for a fraction of a second, all the rgbs and the gpu power indicators. I've tried to figure out if it was the MB but I don't think so as it works just fine with a msi GF650A.
5vsb rail apparently stays on after it fails to turn on, if I want to turn it back on again I flick the switch on the back and wait a few seconds till the standby lights turns off. These are the cases in which I got had it not work properly:
-before I removed the side panels (to figure out the problem was by switching the two PSUs) it did it almost every time.
-after a bunch of turn on and sleep the PSU started doing the thing, once it did it the first time it started doing it every time after that.
-"every time after that" apparently happens only if I turn it on before all the fans stop spinning (about 6s), if I wait for them to all stop it works normally.
-before I even opened up the pc it did it basically every time it went to sleep, wether i was trying to turn on after a few seconds or minutes or even hours

Another thing I noticed is that the Dimms rgbs turn on perfectly with the MSI PSU, but the sometimes don't with the thermaltake

While testing I tried the turn off and on thing about 100 times with both PSUs, nothing with the MSI at all til now

[sand atlas]

I'm not sure about the PF3 but there's other power supplies by TT like the GF3 that were tested and had PWR_OK signals barely within spec, which causes exactly this issue if the motherboard expects a faster response.

[tame cape]

I'm guessing same problem with mine it's a fairly new unit so they may have still these defects on the first units...? Should I rma it?

[sand atlas]

That's one option, you might have gotten a unit that fell slightly out of spec and a different one would respond in time

[tame cape]

I could try getting the same pf3, I want to figure out if Amazon can actually send me a new unit and not just a refund since I paid it 50 bucks new and now it is over 150

I already lost many hours figuring out that the problem was this thing

Why is it that always the most expensive parts fail first?? :PepeHands:

[sand atlas]

I paid 50 bucks new
If that's the most expensive part I'm concerned

[tame cape]

I mean its original price was 150 or even more and if I can't get a replacement unit I'll have to pay full price

Apart from the GPU the rest is slightly cheaper than the PSU

[sand atlas]

Too quote Felix,

More money ≠ more better

$150 would be expected of a higher wattage A tier unit, not a B tier like that

[tame cape]

I could also use the MSI PSU but It doesn't have the fan stop feature and has quite some coil whine which becomes annoying after a while

[tame cape]

I could say that about my second itx build if it didn't have the 1080ti

sfx PSUs are expensive

Even lower wattage ones

[tame cape]

https://gamersnexus.net/guides/866-psu-dictionary-understand-psu-specs

We're you referring to the "power good signal" on this article?

Could the dimms RGB not lighting up properly be related to the power ok signal?

[sand atlas]

"Power Good" and "PWR_OK" are interchangeable terms, even in the ATX spec. It's pin 8 on the 24 pin, not to be confused with pin 16 which is "Power On."

The RGB could be more related to 5VSB

If any of the voltages are outside the correct range when the unit is told to wake up then the power good signal won't trigger in time, resulting in things like you've seen where the system tries to wake up but stays asleep.

Some motherboards might not allow for the full 500ms in the spec, instead defaulting to "alternative sleep" expecting 100-150ms (absolute max of 250ms).

The more I'm looking at reviews on the 850W model the more I think you got a bad one, and so did one of the reviewers. Hardware Busters found their PWR_OK was actually below the spec so if it's not holding low long enough it might not trigger the motherboard.

[tame cape]

Ok thanks for all the info pal
I'll contact Amazon and try to get a replacement

[tame cape]

I started making an itx case some time ago and I always wondered if I had to measure the volume from the inside or outside of the case since the side panels have some thickness, about 3/4mm
Because there would be a big difference between 10.7 and 11.6 l

[tropic crane]

Just got this 750 g5 supernova from ebay I go to turn it on and I hear 2 clicks followed by nothing

Any thoughts?

[tropic crane]

Nvm I think it's fquked

[fringe pulsar]

A quick update regarding my Evga PSU and getting a replacement, it has come in and I am back to sweet silent operations lol @elfin trout @serene siren All hail EVGA hehe

[elfin trout]

Very nice

[scenic lance]

What do you guys think about the NV5 or Enthroo Pro 2?

I’m thinking about doing a case swap

I’m using a G300A right now for context

I’m more lenient towards the NV5 but need to check if it has 360mm radiator support

Might do some RGB halo rings too if Thermalright makes any decent ones

[scenic lance]

fractal design manual sux

[delicate epoch]

I have a super flower PSU. What cable extensions are good?

[fierce pivot]

Cable extensions are universal because you plug them into the cables that are given to you by your PSU (because the ends that go into the motherboard are universal, cable extensions literally just extend this cable so they are universal)

Just don't try plug them directly into your psu unless you want some fireworks

[serene siren]

extensions are fine usually if you plug them in properly

if you want specifically cable replacements? we wouldn't really know unless it's stated on the packet. Some communities do know what specific units are based on

you could look up your exact unit to find out what it's based on using stuff from like aris on tom'shardware?

would be difficult without direct confirmation

[tame cape]

Amazon finally decided to send me a new tT PSU without having to send it back and get refund

[tame cape]

So is it likely that I'll get a new working unit with the one I just ordered?
So from what I understood that's a factory defect, but could it have appeared after like a power outage or any sudden power loss?

[sand atlas]

Yes and yes, could be a QC issue or it could be subtle damage but most reviewers for that model said it was good except for 2 that had "bad" ones.

[tame cape]

Just asking because I noticed that effect after a power loss but it could be coincidence, I had been using the pc for one week before it started acting strangely

(one week from when I installed the PSU and the power loss)

Maybe I didn't test enough but new unit will arrive soon, should probably get an ups to stay safe

[sand atlas]

Everyone should have a UPS imo

It's simply good protection for your thousands of dollars of hardware

[tame cape]

I always wanted to get one but some can be expensive af

[sand atlas]

Amazon basics is fine

[tame cape]

How much would that be?

[sand atlas]

You don't need super high capacity to get the protections, and you get a few minutes to shut down safely

[tame cape]

Anything that's 500w capacity or more could be good for my use case, since I'm trying to avoid damage, not run off a battery if power goes out

[tame cape]

Exactly what I was thinking

[sand atlas]

A little over $100 with coupon for line interactive, avoid standby models https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RRYB3RJ

Plus it does have the USB connection that you can use to send an auto shut down signal, which is a nice feature for the price class

[tame cape]

Nice, I'll think about it but I'll sure get it, much better than loosing another €150 psu

If that's what damaged it

(better in general to save the entire builds)

[sand atlas]

Indeed. Better safe than sorry.
I'm using an older model UPS that I picked up for free actually. Someone brought it to Staples with a bad battery so they could recycle it. I just replaced the lead acid battery and it works like a champ.

[tame cape]

Nice, I know my uncle also has some old ups he could give me for free, they have bad batteries but I have no idea how much it can cost to replace

[tame cape]

I also saw some ups at a local store, including the one ltt sponsors, but they range from 1k to 2k

€... Not watts

[tame cape]

Is VA the maximum Power output, while W is the capacity of the battery...? Am I right

[sand atlas]

VA is related to battery capacity, W is the max output. Technically they're most efficient under 80% load.

[tame cape]

If I had a male-male power cord I could theoretically power the entire house through one outlet (if it could provide enough power)

I just found a 900v €40 ups from tecnoware, power output is not specified

[sand atlas]

Theoretically yes but bad idea, no grounding

[tame cape]

Doesn't the earth wire do it's job as usual during a power outage if the rest is being powered by the ups?

[tame cape]

New thermaltake replacement PSU arrived, I'll be testing it tomorrow. I see that some things changed on the new box as well as some specs, maybe this one is a new revision and hopefully it's fully working

[tame cape]

Seems like it's working fine, even with standby :]
Btw it sure is a new revision, one letter on the model n° of the PSU changes, as well as the exterior of the PSU and the internal parts are laid differently (connectors too)

Relay clicking sound is also less clicky, it really sounded like a big beefy one before

[bleak holly]

You guys know of any platform pieces I could buy that can attach to the slot brackets in a PC case? I want to get a platform attachment to put decorations on such as my crystals and maybe some figurines.

[sand atlas]

Sounds like a job for 3D printing

[bleak holly]

rip.

[marble nimbus]

I have a 3060 ti rn with a 13600k. PSU is a bitfenix whisper m850 w 80+ gold. Want to upgrade to a 4070 ti. Would the PSU be enough?

[blissful thistle]

Yep

Psu is great

You'd be fine with a 4090 on that

[lofty pewter]

iirc multi rail PSU. So make sure to split the 12v rails well, so that one rail isnt powering the entire GPU.

[blissful thistle]

^^

Great point

[bleak holly]

Are there any fans that can replicate a proper white? the P12s I have are nice but they are making a light sky blue rather then white.

My father is a Buckeye so he hates how my Signature Black, White, and Yellow color scheme now looks like Michigan colors lmao.

[lofty pewter]

I assume ur talking about RGB. In which case you can usually tune the values till you get the color you want.

I wonder if I should make a LUT plugin for OpenRGB to get more user friendly color tuning.

[bleak holly]

Yes but I can't get actual white.

[serene siren]

Anyone able to tell me if the O11 vision is invertible?

[lofty pewter]

Well if they are making skyblue with #ffffff then just gotta lower B value a bit no, so like #ffffef?
Can also look for RGBW fans. Tho as with any RGBW based thing you'll get a white subLED dilution effect (Less saturation at brighter values as the LED becomes more reliant on the white subLED).

[bleak holly]

Gotcha.

[bleak holly]

Are LianLi SL-Infinities able to re-create fairly accurate whites?

[lofty pewter]

Idk. I never cared for accurate stuff so I've never looked into it. Can prolly get some RGBW strips off Aliexpress or smth.

[dusk galleon]

I had a question regarding the PCIe cables for GPUs

For the cables with a daisy chain (2 6+2 inputs on one cable) how much power does each one supply?

Referring to these

Sorry if this is a question for somewhere else

[sand atlas]

According to the ATX spec, 150W each. How much they can safely provide varies by manufacturer.

[dusk galleon]

This is from thermaltake

I'm not seeing specs in the sheets they provided

So that's why I'm confused

[sand atlas]

As far as power, it's all standardized. That's why it's not in the specs.

[dusk galleon]

Gotcha

I've never had issues with power delivery but was wondering about it

Is there a site where it lists said ATX spec?

[sand atlas]

I can tell you I'd be comfortable putting the full 300W through one of those specific models, but it's still best practice to use separate cables when possible.

[dusk galleon]

For some reason thermaltake didn't provide just single 8 pins

They're all daisy chained

[sand atlas]

That's normal

[dusk galleon]

Makes it hard to fit in my case anyways

Two full ones side by sides

[sand atlas]

Yeah makes it hard to look nice too, but that's the way it is

[dusk galleon]

Haven't been able to find a site listing said spec

If you're able to point one out I'd appreciate it

[sand atlas]

Here's ATX 2.2, there's only a few changes in 3.0 https://cdn.instructables.com/ORIG/FS8/5ILB/GU59Z1AT/FS85ILBGU59Z1AT.pdf

[dusk galleon]

Alright, I'll see if I can find it there

Very confusing so far but I think I got it

I think

Eh this is confusing as hell I'll do the two cables tommorow probably

[sand atlas]

Technical sheets usually are. Mostly intended for engineers.

[dusk galleon]

Me (not an engineer)

Just pulled this from the thermaltake website

So apparently my GPU has been plugged in the wrong way for probably nearly a year

Oopsie

Why wouldn't they just include a standard cable then smh

My bag doesn't have one anyways

[sand atlas]

It's not a HUGE problem but it can affect voltage stability. It's still perfectly usable unless you're really pushing it with overclocking.

[dusk galleon]

This just makes it sound like the daisy chain overall only puts out 150 watts

And yeah, I don't OC

Would've been confusing if that's the case, considering I've seen my GPU pull well over 300 watts

[sand atlas]

According to the spec yes, it's only supposed to be 150W total per cable, per connector. But the manufacturers have a bit of wiggle room where as long as it meets the minimum, they can add whatever extra they want.

An A tier power supply like that GF1 definitely can handle the 300W

[dusk galleon]

So ATX spec is just a bare minimum

From what I'm understanding

[sand atlas]

I've seen people put 1000W through 2 similar cables

Yes the spec is only a minimum that is required, and expected by the hardware.

[dusk galleon]

It just matters in the gauge of the wire, no?

[sand atlas]

That is part of it. The actual connector itself is the other, the metals and plastics used.

[dusk galleon]

Gotcha

Never understood PSU tiers too well, more so just went off reviews

Even if reviews are, iffy

[sand atlas]

Depends on the reviewer but yes, reliable ones are hard to find

We usually reference this list, and it explains the requirements for each tier. https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[dusk galleon]

Ah

Definitely a confusing topic I won't fully understand

Been squabbling with a friend over it for a bit anyways

So, gonna take it as
The daisychain/pigtails of higher end PSUs are fine to use instead of 2 separate cables

But overall it's still better to just run 2 cables

[sand atlas]

Yes

Especially on power supplies that you don't know the quality of

[dusk galleon]

Are you sure I can't use a daisychain for my 6800xt with a Chinese $50 PSU?

[sand atlas]

For example, anything using the corsair "type" cables can handle anything you throw at it, but yeah that cheapo chinesium brand might just melt itself to death

[dusk galleon]

I assume thermaltake falls into the "Corsair type"

Atleast my thermaltake model anyways s

[sand atlas]

Corsair has their own sets of cables that are interchangeable between most models, they're named type 3, type 4, and type 5. So any model that uses type 4 cables can be safely switched with another unit that uses type 4.

[dusk galleon]

Ah, gotcha

Do not buy cheapo power supply cables off eBay

It was so tempting though

[sand atlas]

Extensions might be fine, replacement cables you want to go to cablemod or something

[dusk galleon]

If I ever get around to getting the 7900xtx, I'll probably look into a beefier PSU

Including standard 8 pin cables

Instead of the daisychain ones those are hard to work with

[sand atlas]

That's what cablemod is good for, you can get replacement cables in whatever look you want

[dusk galleon]

Looks don't matter too much in my use case, the PC sits in a nook in my desk where you can't see much anyways

(it's well ventilated, just darker)

If I could just get new cables that'd be preferred anyways, I believe the 7900xtx had a recommended PSU of 750w?

[blissful thistle]

Good quality 750 can handle it yeah

[dusk galleon]

I see

So I should be fine with an 850

Now to wait for the price to drop (never)

[sand atlas]

GF1 850W would be enough for a 14900K + 4090

[dusk galleon]

I assume the people buying 1000 watt PSUs are just into overclocking or something then

Or just sleep well with the headroom

[sand atlas]

Basically yes

[blissful thistle]

Or believe that bc 4090>3090 4090 power draw>3090

[dusk galleon]

I remember hearing the 3090ti come out and I was just confused at the power draw

Power draw of a small nation for my GPU please

[mild roost]

power draw of microwave oven at low setting

[dusk galleon]

Do you really need to eat today though

You need ray tracing in such amazing titles like

Uh

Minecraft and cyberpunk

[mild roost]

eat and trace rays

the gamer way

[dusk galleon]

Still haven't found the need for tracing many rays in my games

This could just be an AMD copium though

[mild roost]

im a 40 series user

yet i never turned on rt

nor do i use frame gen much

just normal dlss

[dusk galleon]

I've heard frame gen is

Iffy

The idea alone puts me off tbh

RT to me just seems like the "next thing" that was executed poorly to the point I can't see it gaining traction for the average gamer anymore

[hoary epoch]

Rt is better for doing screenshots or photo mode as the rt is meant to be a cinematic experience

[sand atlas]

Unless you have a 4090, pretty much. It'll be a few generations still before both major conditions for widespread adoption happen: RT quality is notably better than non RT, and lower midrange hardware is capable of running it at at least 60-90 fps.

I've only used RT in Control myself, it's barely noticeable in most games.

[dusk galleon]

What do you mean? 24fps is cinematic

[sand atlas]

24 steady fps

It doesn't count if it's constantly dipping to 6

[dusk galleon]

Ehhh humans can't see more then 5 anyways

[sand atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-no-problem-here-crazy-eyes-gif-12788383

[serene siren]

I'm a fan of the widly fluctuating frametimes from 2ms to 16ms

Reminds me how easily I fall ill

[dusk galleon]

It's the only way to experience a VR game

[lofty pewter]

Only way to experience IRL

[trim hound]

anyone do a build with a Gamemax M905 case? My case fans are lighting up but not spinning.

[sand atlas]

The fan speed is apparently controlled by the switches on the front panel. Did you plug in the fan power, not just the RGB controller?

[twin falcon]

How much would a lian li pcmr edition go for?

[hallow pebble]

I’m looking into purchasing this desktop but it says that the graphics card is 16gb but when I go to purchase it it shows it’s only 8gb so I’m curious to which it will be here is the link for the product https://www.newegg.ca/msi-aegis-r-12nud-638ca/p/N82E16883151360?Item=N82E16883151360

[mild roost]

the 16gb rgb memory part is system ram, not gpu

clearly stated here

8gb

and don't pay 1.6k for a 4060ti prebuilt, ever

it's the same perf as 3060ti

no matter if it's the 16gb version or not

https://www.newegg.ca/yeyian-ypi-ta34f0b-4701u-tanto/p/N82E16883630033

I'd recc this one instead

[vocal tree]

what psu would be good for a 12600kf and 6700xt?

not sure if a 550w would be enough or 650-750 would be a bit better

and I'm not sure what models are good quality + price

[mild roost]

650 for playing it safe

[vocal tree]

okeydokey

wish I could hook the tier list up to the pcpp site 😔

[serene siren]

good 650

good 650

[vocal tree]

😳

[serene siren]

rdna 2 & intel power behaviour are both fairly erratic

[vocal tree]

unfortunate

[mild roost]

i won't buy any screen protectors from where i got it again

swapping brands

oops wrong channel

not general

[serene siren]

it's ok

you're a mod

just

swap the channels around

#new-general

[mild roost]

lol

[vocal tree]

I sifted through the tier list, I think I found one to go with

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wkWBD3/adata-xpg-core-reactor-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-corereactor650g-bkcus

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GdwmP6/corsair-rm650-2023-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020280-na
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9GLdnQ/thermaltake-toughpower-gf-a3-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-l
Prolly one of these

@vocal tree

Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vNcgXL/thermaltake-toughpower-gf-a3-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-l

All are b-a tier

[tulip stump]

The final part for my pc rebuild is the case, i need to get one from mc but idk how to be sure it’ll fit my psu and mb because my current case had fitment issues there

[sand atlas]

You can plug all the parts into https://pcpartpicker.com/list

It gives a compatibility report and tells critical dimensions like max GPU lengths or cooler height

[tulip stump]

Yeah i know that it’s just that doesn’t really give info on if its a good case

[sand atlas]

Well, what's available at your local MC? We can dig through to find the gems

[tulip stump]

I’ll prob go with a meshify c because you said earlier it was good, and i like the front

[sand atlas]

Yep very solid case, good airflow. You can fit a fairly large GPU in there, 315mm.

Good construction quality

[tulip stump]

Okay, i’ll pick it up tomorrow and that should be it i think

Can you put a pc on carpet? I thought static was a problem

[sand atlas]

It's much less of a concern on modern systems

[tulip stump]

Okay

[young fox]

king 95 pro or h6 flow ?

[serene siren]

king 95 pro easily

[young fox]

A USB 3.2 Gen 2 to USB 3.2 Gen 1 header adapter is required.

say this

what do I do

on pc part picker

[serene siren]

?

I wouldn't worry about it

[young fox]

alright

[serene siren]

what motherboard is it

[young fox]

gonna get a b650m-a

[drowsy dock]

what b650m-a is it

asus?

[young fox]

msi

[drowsy dock]

right

[young fox]

so I don’t need whatever that is right

[serene siren]

Sane what's your budget rq

I can give a healthier recommendation, you might have a lot of money on the table for a much better gpu

[young fox]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cXc9RK

don’t need a better one rn

cousins gonna give a 2080 ti

[serene siren]

actually that's quite good what you have

I don't say that often

[drowsy dock]

oh wow

nice psu

[young fox]

bacca has been helping me lol

[serene siren]

for aesthetics you might want an atx mobo?

[young fox]

idk if it doesn’t cost more

[serene siren]

that's like $20

and then a cheaper heatsinkk

[young fox]

send the link

[serene siren]

for about 13 less

one sec

@young fox wifi?

[young fox]

yea

[serene siren]

so like this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NWk2z6

if you wanted something more aesthetically rounded

you could maybe even do 12600k here

ima look

[young fox]

prolly stick to am5 if I wanna upgrade in the future

[serene siren]

yeah this works

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PZp76D

slightly better

[young fox]

hm

prolly just stick to what I got rn

[serene siren]

could also consider this if you wanted to sacrifice the case

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qKwLbL

ITX

big itx but itx lol

[young fox]

alr

[serene siren]

just some ideas

throw my two cents in lol

[young fox]

I might just stick to the b650m-a ngl

[serene siren]

alr fair enough

if you love what you see then ye go for it

[young fox]

I don’t the 3.2 gen 2 to gen 1 header thing@right?

[mild roost]

You don't need to worry

Unless you use like more than a couple usb-c devices

[serene siren]

even if you do, the solution is like

$15

wouldn't worry about it

the website makes some odd claims sometimes

as long as it isn't saying in bold red "Compatibility issues" then I'd consider the possibility after it's assembled

often pcpp has been wrong in the past

it's a very useful tool though

[sand atlas]

Most common flag it'll throw is "you might need to update bios for this to work"

[tulip stump]

Anyone have the psu tier list? I cant find it

[sand atlas]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[tulip stump]

Ty

What about a power spec 650

I don’t know much about what i need in a psu other than i have an estimated 450w

[mild roost]

crappy tbh

[tulip stump]

I don’t wanna go crazy on my psu because that’s a lame upgrade lol

Thermal take smart series 700?

[mild roost]

"lame" is a heavy understatement tbh

[vocal tree]

I wouldn't

[mild roost]

it's the only part that powers your pc

you need to buy something at least c tier

[tulip stump]

I know it’s important but i just don’t wanna spend money on it 😭

[vocal tree]

I'm gonna go A tier fr 🔥

[mild roost]

then apevia prestige

if you want cheap

[vocal tree]

I have a 450 br and a pure power 11 500w which are c and b tier respectively I think

or were when I built with them ages ago

[tulip stump]

I’ll get an nzxt c750

It’s top tier on the list and i think it’ll work

[mild roost]

is it cheaper than rm750e?

[tulip stump]

Same price

I’ll go with that actually, it’s in stock

[mild roost]

yeah rm-e is better choice

[sand atlas]

If it's the same price I'd go corsair every time

[mild roost]

better aftermarket

[sand atlas]

Yep they always have the latest cables and replacements are easy to source

[tulip stump]

And for storage do i just need to make sure it’s m.2

[mild roost]

yeah

they're cheap these days

[sand atlas]

Corsair 12VHPWR cable had one of the lowest RMA rates I saw from melting, and that works on all their modular PSUs.

[tulip stump]

Like 3 days ago all i wanted was a new cpu. Then now i have a whole new pc coming tomorrow

[mild roost]

that's how it goes with upgrades

[drowsy dock]

don't get m.2 sata

make sure it's m.2 nvme

[sand atlas]

Sometimes a full upgrade is a better/cheaper option than just a cpu upgrade

[drowsy dock]

POV: upgrading a haswell in 2024

why do 4790Ks still cost over $50

I don't get it

[sand atlas]

These are thankfully rare these days

[mild roost]

m.2 sata is

so pointless now

[drowsy dock]

yeah

[mild roost]

they were kinds relevant in like 2015

[vocal tree]

e3-1271v3 for like 25

[drowsy dock]

they were good before nvme price dip

[sand atlas]

I just upgraded to a core 2 quad yesterday, 2.5GHz and 4MB L2 cache

[drowsy dock]

exactly

[vocal tree]

not worth bothering further than that

[drowsy dock]

and also

x99 probably costs less

[vocal tree]

I just want to keep my haswell stuff and get it maxxed out

[drowsy dock]

you can get a haswell 10 core bundle for the same price as a 4790k

[tulip stump]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/650163/crucial-p3-2tb-3d-nand-flash-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-m2-internal-ssd ?

[mild roost]

the 4790k

[drowsy dock]

actually the 1271v3 is LGA 1150 right?

[mild roost]

eternally overpriced

[vocal tree]

ye

[mild roost]

p3 is a decent choice

[drowsy dock]

oh so it's like the 1230v2

back when intel did xeons on consumer platforms

[tulip stump]

I’m tired of my current 512gb

[sand atlas]

Because the difference between 4th and 8th gen is like 7% max so it might as well be considered an 8th gen cpu

[mild roost]

idk why 4790k is so expensive

[drowsy dock]

intel stagnation

[vocal tree]

K

that's why

[drowsy dock]

thank god for ryzen

🙏

or else we'd still be stuck with quad cores

[mild roost]

ryzen laptop go nyoom

[drowsy dock]

very mediocre quad cores

[mild roost]

6 core i9

i wouldn't be surprised

[drowsy dock]

I mean

are they good cores tho

[sand atlas]

Quad cores with no hyperthreading or memory overclocking unless you pay the i7 and Z board tax

[mild roost]

if amd didn't manage to poke at intel

[tulip stump]

Whats the difference between p3 and p3 plus

[mild roost]

speed

[vocal tree]

plus

[mild roost]

but it doesn't matter

[tulip stump]

Thanks

[drowsy dock]

aren't the p3s pretty bad?

[mild roost]

no

[drowsy dock]

or was that the p5

[mild roost]

p3 is decent

[sand atlas]

Gen 3 vs gen 4, games don't care about it

[drowsy dock]

It's one of the Ps

P1?

[sand atlas]

P1 is ok

I think it was P2 that they were playing yankee swap with the controller/nand

[mild roost]

yeah

[bleak holly]

Any new unique PC cases lately?

[nocturne fulcrum]

why such a highend cpu and mid gpu (just curious, i’m guilty of same w/7800x3d/3070)

but yeah fractal terra jade is new ish? not that new but very nice case

meshroom s is not new at all, like 2y old, but very nice. Streacom/NCase FF01 is great, new case, like meshroom S but with rgb and 2 liters bigger

[bleak holly]

A) I have been running on a old 5700G which could not keep up with what I do and needed to be upgraded before gpu.
B) It was on sale
C) I plan on upgrading to a 4090/5090 next once I get 2k saved up

[nocturne fulcrum]

big W

[bleak holly]

Those are my reasons at least.

[nocturne fulcrum]

same for me, although i didn’t need to upgrade I wanted to early-adopt am5 (was running on a 12700KF before)

[bleak holly]

Ahh I see.

My CPU and ram simply could not tolerate the stress I put on it anymore when I do like Adobe AE.

So I had upgraded cpu, and doubled my ram to 64GB to help with that along with I am learning Blender which benefits from Ryzen.

[bleak holly]

Ngl, I kinda like that case. Just saw it and think it would be a good case for a server.

[nocturne fulcrum]

hell yeah im doing a server build in it soon actually

might put my mom’s build in that and put the server in a rackmount case i have

[bleak holly]

I see.

[plush grail]

Hi, I have a Lian Li case, I don't remember model number, but it has two 200mm front fans in it that I need to replace, how ever ones that I bought to replace them have the wrong case connectors on it. What do I need to look for with the replacements for the fans?

[bleak holly]

What do you mean it doesn't have the right connectors? Standard fans use a 4 pin female connector, motherboard has the 4 pin male.

[plush grail]

it had male connectors

[bleak holly]

the female connect in the left image (with the clip) is your fan header.

the right image, the left connector is that the same one? it's at a bad angle so I can't tell.

[plush grail]

they are two different connectors to the same fan

[lofty pewter]

The female connector is a 4 pin fan PWM connector. The male connector is a 3 pin ARGB connector.

Tho they should both be female, idk why ARGB is male.

[sand atlas]

You can pull the pins out of the rgb cable and it becomes female

[plush grail]

ok, can not pull the pins out, y'all have a good recommendation for a replacement 200mm fan?

[chilly path]

Montech Air X ARGB
Yay or nay?

[sand atlas]

It's ok for a cheap case

[serene siren]

to quote the website

💀

it's a case that ticks the basic needs

[serene siren]

WHAT

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bCpzK8/vetroo-al-mesh-7c-atx-mid-tower-case-vt-case-al-mesh7c-bk

IS

THIS

ANOTHER D31 CLONE OMFG

[serene siren]

it looks decent

I'm kinda digging this, my new ap201 for ATX

cos D41 just never seems to be in a reasonable price

only real downside appears to be the mesh could be a little restrictive, but the mesh is on top for exhaust anyway, and it has another exhaust fan, so it shouuld pose no issue

[plush grail]

@sand atlas ok, can not pull the pins out, y'all have a good recommendation for a replacement 200mm fan?

[jolly tartan]

anyone know were i can find the standard screw positions foe pc parts?

i want to make a fully coustom mini atx case

[sand atlas]

Is this the one you bought? Because they are definitely removeable. https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-mfx-b3dn-08np2-r1-case-fan/p/N82E16835103334

You might just need a pair of pliers

[sullen island]

Hi! Can anybody could give me more information about those 'Sleeve' cable? I would like a white cable for my GPU, an AsRock Challenger RX 6750 XT.
Any brand to consider? Quality? How to choose?
Thank you

[sand atlas]

Cablemod might have what you're looking for. They have both extensions and replacement cables that you can customize.

[serene siren]

ye cablemod good

asiahorse

ezdiy-fab

moddiy

[steep escarp]

Question, I have the H9 elite tower, and I wanted to know in the top mount is it possible to install intake fans? It has space in order to have access to the back panel vent, but I can't tell if it can support both intake and exhaust fans or if it's meant for just exhaust, and the users manual doesn't say, just that It can support 3 120 fans or 2 140 fans

I've seen people argue its for a radiator, intake, and exhaust

[blissful thistle]

You can do any of the above, but generally front fans you want intake, any fans on the bottom you want intake, on the side it depends where they are, back and front you want exhaust

[vocal tree]

kinda wish you could reverse the flow, top to bottom

[steep escarp]

H9 doesn't have front fans per say, they're facing the back panel and the top has a glass panel and small side vent

[blissful thistle]

That's why the elite series cases from nzxt are kinda ass

Not having front airflow really sucks

[serene siren]

You'd really want more intake than exhaust imo unless you want your case to look like a dusty rock after a year

Bottom + side = intake
Top = exhaust really

Though the elite has a pretty meh top exhaust and sort of ruins the innate design of the chimney style case it copies (O11 Dynamic)

[steep escarp]

Ah ok

Thank yall!

[serene siren]

Stumbled upon a new unit if anyone sees it, just for info

Asus prime ap-g

White psu

Slightly better than MSI AG-L

So quite good

Figure this might pop up at some point in the cheaper tier so putting this here

Especially when I'm seeing tuf bronze get cheap again

Slowly

[chilly path]

If someone can help me figure my dilemma out I'd be happy

I desperately need a new case (for the rig I got)

I'm currently eyeing 2 possible solutions, and I can't really decide

One is this: https://ipon.hu/shop/termek/kolink-citadel-mesh-rgb/1856919
3 built-in PWM ARGB fans, mATX, bottom PSU for 30k HUF

The other is:
-This case: https://ipon.hu/shop/termek/lcpower-712mb-polynom-x/2065693
-2 packs of these fans: https://ipon.hu/shop/termek/id-cooling-tf-12025-argb-trio-3-darabos-szett-fekete/1983450
-And this fan hub: https://ipon.hu/shop/termek/deepcool-sc790-2-az-1-ben-pwm-es-rgb-vezerlo-eloszto-hub/2114383
Which would be 41k HUF roughly

I think the second option should perform better, but it's 25% more expensive

Rig in question is a 7600X, SE-224-XTS ARGB single tower air cooler, Prime B650M-A Wifi II, Powercolor Hellhound 6700 XT and a 650w EVGA GQ power supply

I'm not entirely sure if it'd be worth going for the case that has no fans in it but can hold more fans

[blissful thistle]

I'd say first one

Kolink citadel mesh is pretty decent. Build quality of either case won't be the best, but performance wise the citadel is solid

[chilly path]

the LCPower is also full mesh in the front, and it can fit three 120mm fans

but it comes with none included, so that kinda sucks

But that way I can have fans that exactly match the one on my CPU cooler

[blissful thistle]

One more fan wouldn't do much, especially at that price difference, citadel mesh

[chilly path]

oh no it's 3 for the Citadel vs 6 in the LCPower

cuz I'm not able to buy more of the fans in the Citadel which has 2 in the front and one in the rear

[blissful thistle]

It still would make less of a difference than you'd think, and the citadel has at least 5 fan slots

Comes with 3 but it has more places for fans