cases-psu-and-cooling

[elfin trout]

I'd call that an issue

[bleak holly]

What do you guys recommend on amazon.com.mx? Would like to spend as little as possible since I am doing this server on a tight budget.

$190 is my limit for PSU and SSD. Already picked out the SSD leaving $45-55 left for the PSU.

I can up the budget to around $80 if I wait another week but I'd prefer to spend as little as possible.

[fierce pivot]

Just for a server build?

[bleak holly]

Yeah.

It's currently running a 10700f and I just purchased a gt210 to get it up and running.

[fierce pivot]

theres this https://www.amazon.com.mx/Corsair-CX450M-Fuente-alimentación-Modular/dp/B09HWTHDVZ/

[bleak holly]

Hmmm alright.

[stray trench]

what budget psu do yall recommend for a 6750xt?
with 12700f and h100i aio

[sand atlas]

Minimum https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08G38N88V
Recommended https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v4L7YJ/thermaltake-toughpower-grand-rgb-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpg-0650fpcgus-r

[blissful thistle]

B tier 650 for $10 less, the Thermaltake one is A tier
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jvLypg/super-flower-golden-green-hx-650-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-sf-650p14xe-hx

[edgy flume]

My friends PSU is failing and he needs a new one.
He currently has a 3060 and a R5 3600. What would be a good PSU thats not too expensive?

[serene siren]

Prolly a BM2 550w if those are still 50-60$

I'm not brushed up there might be a better one on sale

Like the super flower linked above is good, albeit 650w is a little overkill

[blissful thistle]

The hx gold green above

[spare dune]

I got the Super Flower Leadex III 850W 80+ Gold and I am pairing it with an i7 13700k and an RTX 3080 12GB. Cooling it with a Corsair H100i. Do you think the 100W extra headroom vs the 750Watt will come in handy?

[mild roost]

Yes

It will also allow more upgrades later down the line

[spare dune]

Yeah true

[sand atlas]

The 3080 still spikes pretty hard too

The extra 100W will also allow more OC

[spare dune]

I have saw the 3080 12G spike up to 350-380W

[sand atlas]

That's not the spikes I'm referring to

The ones I refer to about 1ms long and can't be measured in software

It's spiking to 500W for 1ms or less I promise that

Newer drivers have mostly tamed that behavior but it still happens

40 series is also a lot more tame on spikes so hopefully it's an issue of the past

[spare dune]

Good info thanks

[lofty pewter]

Typically want to focus on 1ms - 10ms transients for comparing against power supply rating.

https://www.igorslab.de/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/04-Peak-Power.png

<1ms is basically just worrying about annoying OCP. ~475w is basically the "peak" load from the 3080Ti FE, if comparing against PSU rating.

I doubt the upgrade from 750w to 850w will change anything, unless you flash a 450w/500w PL vBIOS to the card (10 - 20 ms transients will be 450w/500w and 1 - 10 ms transients will be higher).

[hollow leaf]

I wonder what my 450w 3080 12gb spikes to.

[sand atlas]

600W give or take

[hollow leaf]

Ah. Well even with my CPU oced, this 1kw is chugging along

[slate creek]

Damn 3080 12gb spikes to 600w?

My 750w PSU really went brr lmao

[serene siren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1WLq4arovo

[lofty pewter]

Any 450w Ampere card will hit ~620w 1ms - 5ms transients apart from maybe 3090Ti

[visual fjord]

Explains why my 650w PSU randomly trips under load

Until I got a 750w

[bleak holly]

Is it possible to do a triple custom loop design in the Fractal Torrent?

One loop for CPU, GPU, and Ram.

[serene siren]

Yes but also wouldn't bother

[bleak holly]

Just curious.

This looks awesome 😎

[carmine oyster]

(Also costs more than your whole rig)

[bleak holly]

Ik.

[scenic lance]

205m mesh or Pop Air Mini

[serene siren]

Pop air mini easily

[fierce pivot]

consider deepcool ch370 too

[rapid jacinth]

13th gen intel and 3060 gpu, any psu suggestions?

[sand atlas]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x96p99/corsair-cx650m-2021-650-w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020221-na

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/m3HRsY/cooler-master-masterwatt-750w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-mpx-7501-amaabus

Both are tier C, personally I'd do Corsair because cooler master can be a little iffy

[bleak holly]

Out of curiosity, what PC cases are really spacious and offer lots of customizability with custom water cooling?

[sand atlas]

O11 variants are really popular for water cooling

[bleak holly]

The Thermaltake T600 and Haf Evo seem pretty good.

[sand atlas]

So they have a lot of cool custom stuff like distro plates made specifically for the case

[bleak holly]

More specifically for triple loops.

[sand atlas]

Yeah I saw that you wanted to do a RAM+SSD loop too lol

Do a 120mm rad on the back and call it overkill

[bleak holly]

Yep, xD go big or go home is my style when I take risks.

But also I am quite curious what cases you guys recommend.

[carmine oyster]

360mm rad for ram

Trust

[bleak holly]

Lmao.

I doubt that would offer any per gains over a 140mm rad.

[carmine oyster]

Wait dont ssds draw like 10watts lmaoo

[carmine oyster]

It wouldn't

[bleak holly]

It would only offer aesthetic gains.

Which I do value but not that much to justify a 360mm rad for ram.

[sand atlas]

Gen 4 ones at 7000 MB/s maybe

[carmine oyster]

Yeah I wouldn't even bother for the ssd

[sand atlas]

An 80mm rad would be overkill

[carmine oyster]

Would prob look goofy

[sand atlas]

But for the aesthetic I say 120mm

[carmine oyster]

Bro u could blow on the thing and cool it lmaoo

[sand atlas]

Literally

The passive airflow from your GPU is usually enough for the slot that's under it

Even though that's hot air

[bleak holly]

My plan for water cooling was GPU, CPU, and ram.

No SSD.

[carmine oyster]

Good loll

[sand atlas]

Anyway, case. I recommend not using one. Open bench.

[carmine oyster]

Real

[bleak holly]

I have cats and a very pesky little brother.

So absolutely not.

[sand atlas]

Hang it on the wall

[bleak holly]

I have seen this cat jump 5-6 feet.... And wouldn't fix the issue with my brother.

[sand atlas]

Not so little brother that can reach up 7 feet?

And the cat is an easy fix

[bleak holly]

My brother and I are very tall.

[sand atlas]

See when I hear "little brother" I think "not 6 feet tall"

[bleak holly]

I still got a few years and I am already 6.4

[sand atlas]

If that's the case then there's really nothing you can do to stop him anyway

Case or not

[bleak holly]

For me best bet would be no open bench.

What cases do you guys recommend for serious and spacious custom loops?

[sand atlas]

Whatever that tank case was then

[bleak holly]

Tank?

Isn't that a really small case?

[sand atlas]

lmfao no

https://www.youtube.com/live/M7Lr3ujt4Ro?feature=share

[bleak holly]

Is the Haf 700 Evo or Thermaltake T600 good alternatives as well?

Not a big fan of the camo on the tank case.

[sand atlas]

Paint it smh

There's very few cases you can comfortably fit a triple 360mm water cooling setup in lol

This is one

[bleak holly]

Just realized I've been saying it wrong. Meant the Thermaltake Tower 900.

Support for 2x560mm rad, 280mm rad in the middle back and I think 280mm rad up top.

[sand atlas]

Maybe this one http://anidees.com/product/ai-crystal-xl-pro/

[bleak holly]

I'd be amazed if that doesn't get choked....

[sand atlas]

It comes with a mesh front too, both panels

[bleak holly]

Hmmm intriguing.

That and the Tower 900 are at the top of my list then.

https://www.thermaltake.com/the-tower-900.html

[sand atlas]

Not to mention the Anidees jokes you can make when people ask what case you used

[bleak holly]

Lmao.

Anideez nutz? Like those?

[sand atlas]

Yup lol

[bleak holly]

Albeit tempting I think it comes down to which offers a better triple loop setup aesthetically and performance wise.

[sand atlas]

480mm on the side, 360mm on the top AND the bottom without interfering with each other

Hell you could do dual 480mm, one on each side panel

[bleak holly]

For reference the Tower 900 offers:

• 560mm in the rear left and right
• 280mm rear middle
• 140mm bottom
• 2x140mm top (viewing area and rear top)

[sand atlas]

100mm is NOT a real restriction btw. Even with a 30mm thick fan you're looking at about 60-70mm total with the rad.

[bleak holly]

Yeah xD.

Unless you do Monsta rads right?

[sand atlas]

Yep those are the only kind that could push the 100mm

[bleak holly]

How thick are those?

I think I may be able to fit dual 560mm push/pull Monsta rads if they make those in the tower 900.

[sand atlas]

85mm 💀

Which also begs the question, why bother mentioning the 170mm restriction too, you can do push/pull on a monsta 360mm with T30 fans and still clear it

[bleak holly]

..... After doing the math that includes case size, rear middle fan, accounting for fitting clearance, etc, theoretically I can fit rad setups up to 121mm worth of fan and rad on the rear left and right side of the Tower 900.

Do they make 560mm Monsta rads lmao?!

[bleak holly]

Maybe for stacking rads?

[sand atlas]

https://www.aquatuning.com/en/watercooling/radiators/radiators-active/rad-alphacool-nexxxos-monsta-560mm-radiator?c=1282

[bleak holly]

Holy shhhheeeeeatakis they make 560mm Monsta rads lmao

How many watts do you think that thing can cool with a D5 pump and push pull config?

[sand atlas]

I'm honestly surprised it's that cheap

That's a lot of copper

And yes, it is copper, not aluminum

I hope you don't plan to pick this case up... ever

[bleak holly]

Agreed.

[bleak holly]

Ehh I will be fineeeeee. Lmao.

I can pick up 160lbs.

[sand atlas]

Sure but it's the shifting weight from the liquid that makes you drop it

And bad handholds

[bleak holly]

True. But yeah I'd make it and never move it till I drain it most likely.

I am honestly tempted to do a water cooling setup once I got everything saved up for a dream build by 8000 series Ryzen chips now.

Dual push pull 560mm monsta rads sound awesome.

Extremely impractical but that's accounted for.

[sand atlas]

The good news there is that you wouldn't have to wait for a new waterblock mount, since it'll be AM5 still

[bleak holly]

Yep.

The only nightmare is gonna be draining this system.

[sand atlas]

I think Intel LGA1841 will be the same bracket at least but who knows

[bleak holly]

And will probably be smart of me to put it on a table with wheels so I can move it around for when I wanna change something.

[sand atlas]

Just plan your drain ports and you're golden

Keep them near the bottom ofc

[bleak holly]

Yep.

Bottom a setup with a way to plug a tube into it before draining correct?

[sand atlas]

I think the nightmare will be tubing and wiring it

[bleak holly]

That's the fun part imo.

I love tinkering with things.

[sand atlas]

Yeah there's two options for a drain, one you can plug or a quick disconnect that only activates when you screw something on to trigger the valve

I'd personally do the latter so you can have a tube attached to the drain before it starts to drain

[bleak holly]

Gotcha.

I will also look into those meters you guys mentioned that shuts the system down in the event of a leak or drop in pressure so I don't damage 5 grand worth of tech.

[sand atlas]

This https://youtu.be/UiPec2epHfc

Leakshield. It's actually insane, you can drill a hole right into the tube and it still doesn't leak.

300 Euros gets a D5 pump, res, and leakshield

And yes it can shut down the system

And it's a leak tester before you fill it

[bleak holly]

Oh nice.

Also it seems push pull won't be doable without modding the PSU shroud/location in thf tower 900.

So I guess I will just do push config.

[sand atlas]

Eh push/pull is usually not worth it anyway

[bleak holly]

Which should still be plenty I'd presume xD.

[bleak holly]

I did it for the aesthetics in my torrent since rad was exposed but in a area where you won't be see inside I am fine without it.

[sand atlas]

Watch from like 6:41 on the vid, it's kinda crazy

Pressure magic

[bleak holly]

Will watch it tomorrow, don't wanna wake up family.

Saved the link.

[sand atlas]

Drilled straight through, immediately stopped leaking once the drill was removed

[bleak holly]

Wow

That's fantastic.

Will definitely be using that then.

I see that the tower 900 has 2 areas designed for D5 pumps, is there a way to mount a D5 pump to a fan bracket?

So I can do a triple loop.

[sand atlas]

Yep

[bleak holly]

Great

[sand atlas]

Example https://www.aquatuning.com/en/watercooling/reservoirs/reservoir-accessories/agz-aquacomputer-fan-bracket-120-mm-for-ultitube-d5-reservoir

[bleak holly]

Double checked the math. So with a Monsta Rad if I leave 40mm of space between the rad and the rear 280mm exhaust I will have enough space on the Monsta Rad to install fans up to 36mm in depth.

[sand atlas]

30mm fans like the T30 or the Noctua one cannot be beat for pressure

[bleak holly]

Gotcha. Does the T30 got ARGB by chance?

Cause that'd be nice.

[sand atlas]

I don't think so

[bleak holly]

My plan for the 560mm rads is to have them suck in air from the outside and push into the middle where I will have 2x140mm fans on the middle rear working as a exhaust and a 140mm top exhaust.

That seems good?

[sand atlas]

Should be fine

[bleak holly]

Is there a 140mm version of the T30s?

[sand atlas]

No but there is the Antec T3 https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-001F-00268

I'm not seeing any 140x30mm fans with rgb though

[urban tulip]

its on their roadmap but not released yet

[sand atlas]

Maybe it'll be out when you're ready to build then

[bleak holly]

That'd be nice.

I am gonna be saving up 5k for a dream build in about 8-12 months when 8000 series is out. Man I am looking forward to this.

[sand atlas]

In a year they'll probably have an 8800X3D

Since 8000 is expected Q1 as of now

[bleak holly]

Gotcha.

Probably gonna go with a 16 core model though since I am hitting the limits of 8 cores.

[sand atlas]

Oh right you were doing blender too

Fair enough then

[bleak holly]

Yep.

[sand atlas]

8950X3D then if they do the same uneven cores as 7950X3D, where half the cores are 3D cache and the rest are high clock standard ones

[bleak holly]

And will probably dip my fingers in other 3D software in the future as well.

Gosh I think something is wrong with me. I haven't touched anything with RGB so far for this whole build!

Except for the ram.

[sand atlas]

Must have heard the lies that RGB does not in fact increase FPS

[bleak holly]

Of course they're lies. RGB obviously increases fps.

https://tenor.com/view/rgb-gif-23738456

This man be soaking in fps.

Honestly an epic case though.

[fierce pivot]

Who is spreading these lies

[fierce pivot]

@timid basin has rme 2023 been tested? I'd assume it's similar to the 2022 model but don't see it seperate in the list

[timid basin]

I recall Aris having one

but it's almost the same thing anyways

[fierce pivot]

Cool ty

[scenic lance]

what would be the best budget power supply that scores atleast a B on the psu tierlist?

[fierce pivot]

depends on country and wattage requirements

[scenic lance]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6pBzK8/phanteks-eclipse-g300a-1-fan-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ga_dbk01

Thoughts on this case?

It seems cheap and has the box look I've been looking for with cases like the 4000D Airflow and CH370

[blissful thistle]

It's good

Imo one of the nicest looking cases at that price

I love how clean it looks

[scenic lance]

I thought so as well

Alright well might as well grab it

Ordered it

[fierce pivot]

Just don't forget to add a few fans, if you don't have any lying around the thermalright c12c i believe is the name have rgb and come for like a 3 pack for 12$ or something like that

[scenic lance]

Already have six 120mm fans I was gonna use

One sec

[fierce pivot]

That'll do nicely so

[scenic lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500102940078505984/1108861824142692363/IMG_0557.jpg

[fierce pivot]

Perfect

[scenic lance]

https://a.co/d/dXoEtWX good? trying to keep it cheap but whatever

need a new PSU after mine died

[elfin trout]

Better to grab this for 5$ more
https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-argb-sf-650f14rg-650w/p/1HU-024C-00003

[scenic lance]

I don't even have much money lmal

tryna keep it on Amazon as well

eh

[elfin trout]

Uh

The one on Amazon is 80$+10$ shipping

Leadex iii is a better PSU and higher wattage too

[fierce pivot]

Is gx2 on Amazon that would do?

[elfin trout]

Leadex iii 650w for 85$ after discount is a better idea

[scenic lance]

got prime doe

[fierce pivot]

Yeah but gx2 is like 65 i think, although the leadex would be better

[elfin trout]

Gf1 argb 650w is 90$ on Amazon

[scenic lance]

tryna keep everything as cheap but good as possible

[elfin trout]

Gx2 is prob fine then

[elfin trout]

Wasn't shipped by Amazon

[scenic lance]

:(

[scenic lance]

tt gx2?

[fierce pivot]

ye

[scenic lance]

might just be the smart series being awful I guess?

that's a weird series now to me

[fierce pivot]

Yeah

A lot of brands have great and crap psus

Tt, evga, seasonic just to mention a few

[scenic lance]

I just don't trust tt with the PSU I just had die while red hot

I'll just use the gx2 then

the case I have is the same brand so it fits either way

[scenic lance]

does anyone know a good itx case that comes with a sfx psu

[mild roost]

There's NR200P Max

Comes with a 850w psu

Expensive but that's what you're looking for

You're better off buying an sfx psu and an itx case though

Don't gotta pay $433 for NR200P Max

[scenic lance]

yep

[storm pecan]

The max is the only way to get top rad support without modding tho

[fierce pivot]

Ssupd superiority

[brave niche]

Looking to get a new full tower, doesn't need to have glass on it, just needs to have good airflow. Would be using a Asus Prime B560m-a mobo, with arctic PWM PST's, an EVGA 3080ti FTW Ultra. Also, will need to look at getting a new AIO CLC , is there any that might work for a I9-10900f similar to the 280mm AIO, but with 3 fans to fit the new case?

case budget is up to $200 CAD

maybe a bit higher than 200, but is something like this good? https://www.amazon.ca/Phanteks-Enthoo-PH-ES620PC_BK01-Full-Tower/dp/B0894H2JZ4/ref=sr_1_9?crid=1IMR2TSDRGT7A&keywords=computer+case+full+tower&qid=1685911578&sprefix=computer+case+full+towe%2Caps%2C192&sr=8-9&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.424c94b5-0341-4740-b8bc-18d5718171b2

Could also look at going with a fan-based cpu cooler, and picking up extra Arctic PWM PST's

whoever responds, please @ me so I see your response ❤️

[fierce pivot]

The 280mm should fit most cases, something like a 4000d airflow will fit 280mm on top, if you wanted bigger I'd get the p500a/g500a whichever is cheaper

[brave niche]

If I wanted to swap to a 360mm AIO to fit the case, is something like the Arctic Liquid Freezer II a good replacement?

or does it not provide enough cooling for a I9-10900f?

@fierce pivot

[fierce pivot]

Yeah but honestly no need

10900f should run at decent temps with a 280mmm aio anyway

[brave niche]

Good arctic case fans were the P12 PWM PST CO's?

[fierce pivot]

Don't need the co's just the regular p12 pwm pst 5 pack will do unless the CO's are cheaper then sure get them

[brave niche]

What does CO indicate? Better bearings?

[fierce pivot]

Rated for continuous operation

Not sure what the actual difference is

[brave niche]

ahh

[fierce pivot]

Maybe diff bearing

[brave niche]

Do you know how many of the fans I could safely connect to my mobo? iirc, it has 2x 4-pin CPU and 2x 4-pin sys fan

because with PWM PST's iirc you can daisy chain their power supply?

[sand atlas]

Total radiator area on a 280mm is nearly as much as a 360mm anyway.
140x280=39,200
120x360=43,200

[sand atlas]

It depends on the exact model of fan and motherboard. Some of the Arctic P12 fans are 0.11A, some are 0.14A. Typically you'll want the total amperage to be less than 1A, some motherboards can handle 2A.

So assuming the best case scenario, 0.11A fans and a 2A header, you can safely chain 18 fans

[brave niche]

@sand atlas you might know, would there be any issues using an asus prime B560m-a in a Phanteks (PH-ES620PC_BK01) Enthoo Pro 2 Full Tower? Pangoly is saying that I'd need a mobo USB header adapter to use some of the USB ports on the front of the IO panel, but I'm not quite sure that that means

[sand atlas]

That means there's a front USB C probably, but no header on the motherboard for the USB C. It doesn't matter unless you really wanted to use that port for, say, charging your phone or a VR headset.

[brave niche]

oh, u right, looking at the image that's exactly what it is (I think xD)

[sand atlas]

If you planned on using the USB C port then it's worth spending another $10 on a motherboard that has that header already, instead of spending $15-20 on an adapter later.

[brave niche]

already have the mobo xd

im just looking at changing the case, my pc runs dangerously hot due to poor airflow and space, and I want the room to add/remove things in the future

but with changing the case, I need to look at more fans and stuff to fit the case, ahah

[sand atlas]

You don't need to completely fill out the case. In some cases it's actually better to leave certain fan slots vacant or even blocked off.

[brave niche]

dangerously hot as in like 80-90c

when under load

[brave niche]

gpu temps*

the cpu temp is fine, usually

[sand atlas]

Intel runs up to 100C, and Nvidia runs up to 95C safely

[brave niche]

my gpu hits 92 when under heavy loads

lol

[sand atlas]

So not dangerous but not ideal

[brave niche]

my cpu never rly goes above 75

Might have smthn to do with this jank setup lol

[sand atlas]

Yeah that's less than ideal lol

[brave niche]

in order to fit it in the case, I have no screw in the top left of my bottom fan

its whack

[sand atlas]

That's fine, I only have 6 screws holding my 420mm cooler together

That's to hold the fans to the rad AND the rad to the case

[brave niche]

Is there anything else I'd have to consider pc wise when upgrading to a new case? I've got fans on order and the case itself

@sand atlas

[sand atlas]

Not really. Motherboards are pretty standard when it comes to the basics, it's just extra features like the USB C that you have to worry about.

[tired sparrow]

I just got ordered a 3070 ti but realized I should probably order a new psu as well... is there any yall recommend?

[sand atlas]

What PSU do you have right now?

[tired sparrow]

I have a gold corsair tx550M

[sand atlas]

Ok. What CPU then?

If it's a relatively low power model like a Ryzen 5600 or i5 12400 then you're fine as you are

[tired sparrow]

5600X lmao I should've probably sent that too

[sand atlas]

Yeah you're perfectly fine with that PSU then.

[tired sparrow]

oh bet

[sand atlas]

It's an A tier unit so it can handle a good bit of stress

Not that I expect it to be loaded more than 450W very often

[tired sparrow]

Ill probably upgrade cpu eventually since I dont wanna the bottleneck but Ill deal with that headache then

ty for ur help

[sand atlas]

The CPU shouldn't bottleneck unless you're playing at 1080p low

[lofty pewter]

Even closer when accounting for circles and hubs.
2 * pi * ((135 / 2)^2 - (45 / 2)^2) = 25,447
3 * pi * ((115 / 2)^2 - (40 / 2)^2) = 27,391

[sand atlas]

Yeah I didn't feel like calculating that lol

[lofty pewter]

Took those measurements off cheap fans tho. Pricier fans prolly have larger fan blades and smaller hubs.

[stray trench]

Can this bad boy handle a 6700xt + 12700f?

Asked yall like two months ago and someone told me it can but I should check out its model

[mild roost]

Nope

That's an e tier psu right there

I wouldn't wanna take any chances with that

[fierce pivot]

A lot more for p12s, I've run 5 off 1 header easily

[serene siren]

You can run 8 or 9 p12's off 1 header

Most I've done is 6 tho

[fierce pivot]

I think that one's okay, hard to tell on the tier list there's one in c tier one in e tier, i think it's the c one

[fierce pivot]

More if a 2a yeah i just only had 5

[tulip granite]

Tf is “85 plus”

[mild roost]

Some stupid claims

[sand atlas]

I've never seen a C tier unit claim "85 plus" though

It has no real 80+ rating so I'd automatically assume E or F tier

[fierce pivot]

yeah its weird but that specific one is c tier and the others are e

[sand atlas]

It's at best speculative C. It's also 220V only and appears to be group regulated?

Yeah based on that label they're just straight up lying about a lot of things. "20A" on the 5V rail but it's only capable of 140W combined on both 5V and 3.3V?

30A on two 12V rails but it can only do a combined 540W?

[fierce pivot]

Yeah it's definitely not optimal

[mild roost]

Besides this unit looks to come from haswell era

It's even too old to begin with

[stray trench]

aight guys so how bout good ol CV650?

or a PK650D

[sand atlas]

Either of those is ok. They're both C tier.

And a lot less sketchy than the other one

[stray trench]

[sick viper]

man i want a case that works like an osbourne portable computer

keep thinking a pelican case build wont work the way i want it

[sick viper]

Found a company that makes luggable pc cases but they dont give you the price

[fierce pivot]

That's economics for you, low demand = price high

[sick viper]

Unfortunate

Doing the pelican build

Wish I knew more about air flow

Physics of routing air through a computer

I dont want to make an expensive single-use pizza oven

[fierce pivot]

i think if you can get solidworks you can do airflow simulations

[sick viper]

True

I could represent the parts as cubes

Unless I can find manufacturer CAD models

[chilly cave]

4000d vs h7 flow vs lancool 216

what would you buy if they have same price ?

[mild roost]

4000d

[fierce pivot]

lian li 216, better stock fans and has nice ratiator mounting options

and easy to build in, you can take off the top bit while building in it, pretty cool tbh

[slate creek]

Lancool III

But actually tho, Lian Li 216

I’m a Lian Li shill

[scenic lance]

Obviously Phanteks is better

[fierce pivot]

p400a at 10$ more than g360a is pointless

but g360a is a good option

[scenic lance]

There was a rebate on it awhile back making it like $80 I think

Cheaper than I thought

Non-digital one though

[mild roost]

Less fans

Compared to digital version and g360a

[fierce pivot]

same price as g300a tho basically

and that has no rebate

and a rgb fan exhaust, stick a 3 pack of 12$ c12c's in there and youre golden

[scenic lance]

Speaking of

[fierce pivot]

Noice

[scenic lance]

Tempted to open it an install case fans for the first time

And just look at it

[fierce pivot]

Prep for the arm workout it requires

[scenic lance]

Is it really that bad?

[fierce pivot]

Depends how bad your screwdriver

[scenic lance]

LMAO

[carmine oyster]

Just use a drill and set the clutch to the lowest setting

Go slow

[urban tulip]

And please if you decide to do that make sure your drill has a mechanical clutch 😂

Electronic clutches are complete junk

[carmine oyster]

They have those!?!?!?

Oh wait doesn't it just limit the motors power or sum 💀

[lofty pewter]

Theoretically you can have a proper dynamic between current and voltage for speed/torque ratio, but I imagine most just change voltage for changing speed.

[urban tulip]

Thats what like half of the 18v drills use

[carmine oyster]

Idk I have a ridgid from like 2018

My impact drifver has something similar

but it fr just cuts the voltage in half

[last sleet]

So how do I open the glass side of NZXT H7 Flow?

[scenic lance]

Thumb screws

[slate creek]

I forgot, do the HX750 and RMx1000 use the same cables?

[sand atlas]

Yes those both use type 4, but not the RMx Shift. That uses the new type 5.

[slate creek]

Thanks, just asking because I forgot where I put my RMx’s cables

[sand atlas]

Might be good to bookmark this 😉
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/s/psu-cable-compatibility

It's the HXi that uses type 3

[scenic lance]

Are RGB extension cables expensive by any means?

Or worth the price? (Last awhile)

[slate creek]

Overpriced and not really worth it imo

Lian Li strimmers are like 100 iirc

[scenic lance]

Jesus

Disappointing

Was tryna figure up how to make up for the lack of RGB on my CPU cooler

[fierce pivot]

Yeah they're stupid expensive because well rgb

[fierce pivot]

What cpu cooler are you getting/got?

[scenic lance]

Non-RGB Phantom Spirit

I'm starting to think if I wanna get a figurine for my build or not

[fierce pivot]

Have you bought it yet?

[scenic lance]

Mhm

[fierce pivot]

I mean you could return it for the rgb version which is now cheaper too

Or you could buy rgb fans

But returning would be cheaper

[scenic lance]

I think it's a little too late to return it TBH

Unless I could send it straight back to Thermalright

[fierce pivot]

Over 30 days since arrival?

[scenic lance]

Oh yeah, it's definately been longer than that

[fierce pivot]

i mean you can make it the rgb version for 16$ depending on if you want white/black
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XYPQzy/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12cw-s-x3-d6
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vq6p99/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-s-x3-d6

[scenic lance]

Is that the fan it uses?

[fierce pivot]

yup

[scenic lance]

LMAO

[fierce pivot]

so its a good option

[scenic lance]

Okay yeah I already have like six of them

Having nine wouldn't hurt IG

[fierce pivot]

lol

[scenic lance]

Ight thanks Pato

[fierce pivot]

np

[scenic lance]

alright PSU is cycling with my motherboard first thing

actually gonna move to a more general area

[brave niche]

Case came in, now to wait for my fans that r supposed to be here tmrw

[brave niche]

@sand atlas any clue on how I can tell which side is ground on a chassis panel header? Is the ground the side w the arrow?

[sand atlas]

Buttons don't care about polarity

Only the LEDs do

[brave niche]

Kk

Then the arrow means nothing?

[sand atlas]

On the switches yeah it's pointless

[brave niche]

Kk

[viscid patrol]

is it even possible to make a button or switch polarized lmao

hmm

[serene siren]

Wym polarised

[viscid patrol]

i guess if you have an LED that activates when depressed?

[serene siren]

They're polarised by nature

Oh nvm context

[viscid patrol]

lmao

[urban tulip]

My LEDs never turn on when I bully them and call them names but that's just my experience

[viscid patrol]

Lmao

[bleak holly]

Doing a budget build for a friend. What case do you guys recommend sub $100?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HRH7YJ/montech-x3-mesh-atx-mid-tower-case-x3-mesh-black

considering this case at the moment.

[bleak holly]

does the Deepcool Matrexx 40 come preinstalled with fans?

[serene siren]

Montech mesh cases are better

Like, still cheap, but many fans is bae

[fierce pivot]

depends how much they wanna spend on it/whole budget tbh

[fierce pivot]

x3 is a good option though

[coarse sable]

Next c750 is good?

[mild roost]

yes, but i wouldn't get it since it's not at a good price

instead i'd get fsp hydro g pro

[fierce pivot]

Price depends on your country*

[tulip granite]

yo @bleak holly how the hell do I close this damn glass side panel on the torrent

like it doesnt fit...

got it
do I always have to take the top part off to put the side back on?

[viscid patrol]

No

You might have the glass 90 degrees wrong

Turn it 90 degrees and see if it fits

The case is a rectangle and not a square

Actually I forget how the torrent is for the side panel

Is it hinged or is it some like

Thumb screws

Oh it's clipped

[tulip granite]

yeah its clipped, I got it so next time I open it ill try again

[chrome agate]

So my computer won't start i tried paper clip test for psu and it is functioning. Tried bridging start prongs on motherboard and no success. Any suggestions about what to do next?

[bleak holly]

There's a clip on the bottom for the glass to slide into.

No need to open the top.

[viscid patrol]

any power at all seen on the mobo? indicator/debug leds, fans spinning? psu fan spinning?

[bleak holly]

Magents and clips.

You slide the glass along the rail on the bottom till it clips in there then press it up top until the magnets lock in.

It's really simple and easy to open/close the panel once you get used to it.

[chrome agate]

@viscid patrol i got the case fan to work but nothing else no lights that i can see

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XXP3Vw

[tulip granite]

ok thx apex

[viscid patrol]

Hmm no debug leds on?
In the top right corner?

[blissful thistle]

Secure connections, make sure rams slotted in, could try one ram stick

Make sure power button cord is plugged in correctly

And psu is on (I've done that before)

[chrome agate]

Yep no lights all stuff plugged trying just cpu and 1 stick ram now

[viscid patrol]

im a bit exhausted so you can help them with the troubleshooting lmao

oh they went to build chat, i didn't even realize that this wasn't build chat 💀

[brave niche]

First time actually doing cable mgt. not too bad imo 🙂

Any suggestions to clean it up more? Im thinking next time I open it up for hardware changes, strap the pcie and psu cables together so they lay flat?

[brave niche]

usb plugs working? If not, maybe a mobo or cpu issue? I fried my mobo and cpu a year or two ago, and I fund out cause there wasn't any usb plugs working whatsoever

[serene siren]

Fix the sag on that gpu. That sag is mega - ampere high-end has a tendency to lose vram modules if the sag is left unchecked

Get an anti sag bracket/stand/lego/random perfect length thing and stick it on the outer right corner

[brave niche]

Btw there is an antisag bracket but its supposed to be on the back of the case xd

Idk why its there cause its useless asf

[carmine oyster]

This build confuses me so much lmaoo

[brave niche]

@serene siren is it ok to use wood?

[brave niche]

How so? Like component choice ya mean?

[carmine oyster]

The case is massive lmaoo

[brave niche]

Xd

[carmine oyster]

It would take up my whole room

Haha

[brave niche]

I had a small case and was always Po’ed working on it

[mild roost]

It's the phanteks enthoo pro isn't it

[brave niche]

Yes

[carmine oyster]

Oooo fair enough lol

[brave niche]

Its so much nicer than the p300

But

[mild roost]

That dual mobo case

[brave niche]

I cant believe they put a plastic front on a $200 case

Wtf

And literally everything else is metal

Like

[mild roost]

probably spent all the money on everything else

[serene siren]

Anything solid

If the shroud gets hot, preferably not flammable

Lego is OP for this kind of thing

[brave niche]

I have a crapload of lego just dont wanna dig it out xd

Also wood catches fire around 250-300°c iirc so if it catches fire im fked anyways lol

[mild roost]

tru

By then your house might be gone

[brave niche]

Not like I have a glass sidepanel anyways so idgaf

It works ig 😂

[mild roost]

lol

No more sag

[serene siren]

Oath, I'm just pedantic is all

Lmao

[barren oriole]

a biggerboard, it will never look good from the front side with your fan cables going 3 feet to the board lol

[brave niche]

I mean, yeah ig, but idc how it looks lmao

I got rid of my rgb and glass side panel in my old case for a full metal side panel with this case

[barren oriole]

fair but why cable manage

💀

[brave niche]

cause if stuff breaks, then I can actually figure out tf is going on xD

[barren oriole]

💀 fair

i cable manage cause i need clout online for pretty computer

[brave niche]

tbf if I had the money to get one of those super decked out nice RGB color matched desktops and monitors n stuff I'd probs go that route

but I don't

[barren oriole]

480$ or something like that total rig cost

i need rgb aio fans and ram

but

later

[brave niche]

i'd go with a higher end rgb aio, my aio rn is nice but not rgb

also I keep it in my bedroom since I don't have my own place yet so the light is annoying at night

actually wait

we got the same aio'

xD

[barren oriole]

this CLC 280 is actually pretty good, it keeps my 11700K relatively tame unless its at its absolute max wattage of a calm cool 400w

[barren oriole]

yeah, i have it swapped with P14s

[brave niche]

I don't oc anything on my pc cause I can't afford to be dmging stuff lmao

so my 10900f is fine with it

[brave niche]

I use P12 Arctic's

[barren oriole]

its basically impossible for me to really hurt this cpu 💀 basically designed to take voltage

ah, i have a CLC280, you must have the 240

[brave niche]

oh yeh xD

lmao

I kinda wanted to upgrade to larger fans when I was getting my new ones but CBA

[barren oriole]

fair

[sick viper]

Like is titanium efficiency even worthwhile

A lifetime of about 5-8 years

[serene siren]

Not really

Efficiency isn't a measure of quality either

You might save a handful of dollars with constant use over the years but in turn you spend many more

[sick viper]

Mostly reducing what would show on an electric bill

[serene siren]

Like, instead of that gold 850w for 110, you pick a titanium 850w for 250

I'd speculate you wouldn't even make half of that back

[sick viper]

Yeah that is about punching the Numbers

[serene siren]

The gold platinum titanium system isn't really that reliable either. Some companies use hand picked units for better results whereas in reality they barely make bronze efficiency

The system is being replaced slowly for cybernetics certification

Afaik

I'd argue once you get a good gold unit you'd be well enough off. Most iirc are well over 90% efficient nowadays

[tacit wren]

If you google "psu name cybenetics", you can find the official 80+ certification test results https://www.cybenetics.com/d/cybenetics_VxJ_eu.pdf

[fierce pivot]

youll actually pay more in the power supply markup and also titanium units are usually like 1000w+ and whats actually worse for efficiency over gold/plat/titanium is having a power supply thats overspecced

because where most inefficiencies' are are during idle-low wattages

[tacit wren]

Looks good

oh, actually that's a crossload test

kinda, I wish they split that into two graphs

[serene siren]

Can still kinda interpret it

Basically the pc will live most of it's life in that black to blue region

[tacit wren]

tl;dr the blue+black region is huge and probably covers what you care about

[serene siren]

i.e 90-94% efficient

@sick viper ^^^^

[fierce pivot]

and the gf1 is just a nice unit in terms of voltage delivery etc and good price atm too

[serene siren]

The psu we suggested in the list^^^

[tacit wren]

1600 t2 master race - doesn't even need the fan until 600w

I've seen some units with an annoying fan curve where if you game at ~400w on an ~850w unit, the fan will ramp up and down audibly.

I just disable the eco switch on any unit I have, no reason to use it most of the time imo

[serene siren]

Whether I turn mine on or off I still hear nothing

[fierce pivot]

I've never heard my psu fan either

[serene siren]

My 1650W I hear it

When I turn the pc off that is

I believe that's it discharging

But my 1000W has an eco switch

I flip it and nothing happens

Nothing I can notice anyway

Maybe it does something

[tacit wren]

Eco on should mean the fan stays at 0 rpm until it's needed

[serene siren]

Ya

Oh yeah I kinda get that

But I still hear nothing

Never had it out of a case to check what it's doing unless I was paperclip testing it

[tacit wren]

I had this seasonic x series gold 750 from 2010 that would spin up/down aggressively while I was gaming, eco was on by default with no switch, fan bearing seemed to wear prematurely. https://i.imgur.com/hdbV9rT.png

[serene siren]

Um

Can we talk about

The fork

[tacit wren]

Broke the fan on accident, and now it powers my water pump

[serene siren]

Wait are you bridging the psu with the fork

[mild roost]

Damn

Fork psu

[tacit wren]

It's just shorting green to black

[serene siren]

Didn't mama tell you not to stick forks into outlets sir

[tacit wren]

Later replaced it with some china fan, but it uses a proprietary cable, useless once you lose the hub. https://i.imgur.com/S2SxFp1.mp4

Thus, it's now living as a d5+rad fan psu.

[serene siren]

Retirement

[tacit wren]

Hasn't died after 13 years, no complaints

[sand atlas]

Same, RMx FTW

[slate creek]

Never heard my PSU fan at all, RMx is great

[carmine oyster]

Im to the point where idek if mine works LMAO

Ive never heard it come on

[carmine oyster]

(I'm now realizing I should prob check this)

[blissful thistle]

I was rmx gang but that's now in my partners pc, I've a gt 850 now

650 in my partners pc

[sick viper]

Anywhere I can look for I/O panels?

[sand atlas]

You'd have to buy an identical motherboard to get a compatible IO plate. Or ask the manufacturer if they'll send you one. They usually won't.

Unless that's not what you mean?

[sick viper]

I guess not

More like a power button and all

What is usually on the front or top of a computer case

Would be cool to just make my own, especially since it would probably be best if I put something that shut the computer off it the case were to accidentally shut.

[sand atlas]

Oh for a custom built "case" kind of thing

That's easy

[sick viper]

Thinking about the fact it is a pelican case

[sand atlas]

Right right that was you

[sick viper]

Or better yet only letting the power button be turned on and off if the case is open

Probably should look at someone else’s build

Or better yet look at the inspiration for this like the Osborne-I

[sand atlas]

https://www.amazon.com/MEIRIYFA-23-6inch-Extension-Suitable-Computer/dp/B09KTPT2TN/ref=sr_1_2

You can thread a hole and screw that in and it'll be water tight

[sick viper]

Everything is going on the inside

[sand atlas]

It would be easy to put where you want

[sick viper]

I suppose

[sand atlas]

https://www.amazon.com/MZHOU-USB2-0-Adapter-1TPY-C-Microphone/dp/B08F1XC83D/ref=sr_1_1

[sick viper]

I will worry about the vents when I put everything in the cad software

[sand atlas]

You don't have to use their metal chassis, it comes off and you can screw down the board where you want

[sick viper]

You know what I probably wouldnt try to close it while it is active

but someone else would.

The dream

https://www.amazon.com/T-SIDAKE-Multifunctional-Dashboard-Media-Reader/dp/B092D4WWT9/ref=mp_s_a_1_7_sspa

What am I even looking at

Who even Uses compactflash these days

That DC port seems like a solution looking for a problem

Could have a cool use idk

[sand atlas]

Man I haven't seen a CF card since college, when I took Cisco networking

[mild roost]

CF cards still exist and available to buy

But they're exceedingly expensive

More expensive than sd cards

[sick viper]

If I needed obsolete ports I would use some adapters

[sand atlas]

Ofc, you can buy memory stick too even though Sony was the only one to ever use it back in the PSP days

[sick viper]

I have a maze of adapters I use to connect my laptop to an old PVM

[sand atlas]

Poor Sony tried so hard to make memory stick a thing but it was just a worse micro SD

[sick viper]

BNC is a really cool connector

I love it

They seem sturdy

I do like the selection of ports though

But really the DC seems strange

[sand atlas]

It is odd that they'd have the external molex output. There's not many use cases that would need that.

[sick viper]

Front LCD Panel,5-Fans Speed Controller CPU Temperature Sensor Computer Cooling Drive Bay Front LCD Panel,AUTO/Manual Manual Mode Automatic Mode Switch https://a.co/d/1zK0F1w

Oooooo

I like random LCDs honestly

Physical means of control

Volume and such

I dont think computer cases these days do this

Having many buttons

[sand atlas]

It's fallen out of fashion lately

[sick viper]

I am very much function over form personally

The pelican case will not be modified except for points where glue will be used for mounting brackets

[sick viper]

looks like that phantex 850W PSU is out of stock

i will just keep my eye out when i have my next paycheck

[blissful thistle]

Gf1 850

[serene siren]

GF1 thermaltake

[sick viper]

shall i use one of these to put inside the pelican case?

it is a platform to put the mobo on and i think to provide support to the GPU

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B085DPFCLP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

or use an inexpensive open frame to at least hold everything together

i think i will worry about it until all the other parts get to me

[sick viper]

found someone else's build

https://youtu.be/v4ubfv3X-DY

ignore weeb

a common issue is the screw put through the case which would be sad for pelican

[sand atlas]

Well if you insist. I guess I'll be ignored.

[sick viper]

not you

I mean the genshin impact part of that video

weebs make the world spin

[sand atlas]

If you do use a frame like that you can always glue it down

[sick viper]

Perhaps a system of latches and have foam under

Contacted the company to see if there is anyone there who could suggest what NOT to do.

[hollow leaf]

@serene siren How low of a PSU can I get away with using for a 12100 and 580 8gb combo that will never be used for games?

[serene siren]

Good 550w would do

But it's a shame cos no decent psu sales rn

I say that even with the thought of one day "oh maybe I might try this game" might happen

[hollow leaf]

It's only going to be hooked up to my bed TV so I can watch movies and whatnot before bed. It will have no other use.

[serene siren]

I could say lower like a 450W but the floor really starts at 550 these days

So I mean, may as well

[hollow leaf]

could I get away with using this?

[serene siren]

Yes

I believe even the older TX's are good

That's a very old one tho

Like, 2016 or something like that?

[serene siren]

Jfc it's old af

Yeah uh, maybe not

💀

[hollow leaf]

ok

How do you know it's old?

[mild roost]

The label color

[hollow leaf]

I guess I'll just suck it up and grab that apevia again since that's like the cheapest psu

[sick viper]

What would probably be most vulnerable to getting bumped around while transporting a desktop?

Outside of HDD

trying to think of how to protect the internals from getting bumped around.

Say I transported the computer in a pelican case by bike

There is this thing but a lot of wasted space and overkill I think

but kinda shockproof

I mean if I really needed to transport I probably could have foam fit for the inside when I need it

Laptops are more tightly packed

[sand atlas]

The GPU would put a lot of strain on the PCIe slot.
You can use a pack of instapak to reduce the chance of damage.

HDDs should be protected from vibration

[sick viper]

So yeah I will use a cable to extend that

The case itself is small enough to be a carry-on

[sick viper]

I am thinking elastomer spacers when possible

Something silicone would help to pad boards

Need to make it universal though

[scenic lance]

Older PC, No signs of life when power supply is in case.

I recently purchased a 2nd hand Corsair VS550 in hopes of bringing this older pc (Zoostorm tempest) back to life.
The power supply worked on the initial test of only being plugged into the mobo, and powered up fine, but when i put it into the case, and plugged everything in it was just dead.
I again removed the power supply and tested the MOBO connector, powers up fine, then i connected the other cables (with power supply outside of case) and it is again not booting.
I tried removing different cables incase one was dead, but no matter which i removed, it only powered up when the MOBO was in on its own.
Ive tried everything obvious like power cables.

Any ideas?

[sand atlas]

You're plugging the 4+4 pin connector in for the CPU power right? I've seen people use the 6+2 and that causes a short, so it refuses to turn on.

[oak cliff]

Would a potentially dead PSU still allow the PC to turn on for like a split second before turning off again? I am having some issues tonight and I cant figure out the problem

I was playing GTA 5, randomly everything just turned off but the lights on my pc were still on, so I held the power button to turn the PC off just incase. Afterwards, when trying to turn the pc back on, it would turn on for a split second and then turn off and it started turning back on, on its own until I switched off the power supply. I left it for a while, came back and now it turns on?

[serene siren]

Short

[oak cliff]

How would I find the short, I suppose a good way is with a multimeter

[sand atlas]

Since it was working before I'd clean out the PC, and while you're at it unplug and replug all the cables just in case one came loose and caused that short.
Another potential cause is the OCP or OPP were triggered but that's less likely unless it's a very low power unit, since GTA doesn't exactly take a lot of power to run.

[oak cliff]

Alright thanks for the advice, I will give that a try tomorrow morning when I get the chance

[scenic lance]

I'm using 4+4 as a single 4

[scenic lance]

Update: Power supply failing to start if anything other than MOBO is plugged in. If just mobo is in, it powers up. If anything else is in (I tested every single one) it won't even show any signs of life.

[flat island]

Is this psu good?

[mild roost]

it isn't but it's ok enough for the parts

i suggest replacing it whenever possible but it's fine

[scenic lance]

hello guys

let’s say I ordered a pc (shipped and sold by Newegg) but I live outside america worth a different outlet type

will it with a American plug or a plug that my country uses?

[blissful thistle]

American plug afaik

[scenic lance]

dam

[blissful thistle]

Unless it's from a different country newegg site

[scenic lance]

I ordered it in my currency

and it’s in my countries website

[blissful thistle]

Oh should be your countries plug then

[scenic lance]

for example if a German person in Germany ordered off Newegg and put it the location in Germany

[scenic lance]

alrighty thanks

[ember marsh]

whats a good case to buy?

thinking i should get a new case for better air flow and more space so that when i buy my new gpu in due time i can just pop the front off and then remove and replace easily

[tulip granite]

fractal torrent

i simp for that case

[sand atlas]

Torrent is great*
*if you're doing a custom loop or air cooling, not aio

[tulip granite]

me doing 420mm aio

[sand atlas]

Same 😭

LFII mounted on the outside of the gd case

[tulip granite]

i actually got the lf II 420 to fit without any cutting. If u put in the 140 adaptors it fits, besides the top screws

[sand atlas]

Yeah I did too. I just flipped the mount so it goes on the outside.

[ember marsh]

I have an aio

[tulip granite]

why? does it help with temps much?

[ember marsh]

I just need more space with ease of access into the case. Not grinding screws in and out constantly to try and pop my case back together

And possibly some pre-built fans

[sand atlas]

Well if you don't want to spend a fortune on an enormous case like the torrent there's always the G360A

[tulip granite]

it comes with fans

[ember marsh]

Where exactly do the fans go? Cause I want my aio radiator to be top mounted

[sand atlas]

There's no top mount on the torrent at all

[ember marsh]

And can the torrent come in white? Cause my aio is white lol

[tulip granite]

isnt front mount a tad* bit better

yes white

[sand atlas]

Yes it comes in white, and rgb and non flavors

And tinted glass, dark tint, or solid metal side

[tulip granite]

rgb fans*

[ember marsh]

I'll look into it. Is it good for ease of access and easy to put things in and out of the case?

[tulip granite]

the case comes with rgb regardless

yep

[sand atlas]

Don't have to plug it in if you don't want though

I didn't

[tulip granite]

only pain is if u have the 140mm front adapter in, u need to remove it to take out the bottom fans

[ember marsh]

Cause I'm sure @sand atlas remembers me annoying the crap out of everyone about my radiator not fitting in my case lol

[tulip granite]

can it be controlled with software or a button?

[sand atlas]

It doesn't have a rgb controller so it'll depend on the motherboard

Just a fan hub

[tulip granite]

so like mystic light?

[sand atlas]

Yeah

[tulip granite]

nice

[ember marsh]

My hope is to keep my aio and motherboard attached and just easily move into the first

[sand atlas]

Or openrgb if you don't want to deal with first party

[tulip granite]

but then plug iinto the mobo and not the fan hub right? Or does the fan hub get connected to the mobo?

[sand atlas]

The fan hub is for the fans, the rgb plugs into the motherboard

[tulip granite]

👍

[sand atlas]

The fan hub can connect to the motherboard to control those too

[tulip granite]

but i assume the fan hub connects to the motherboard regardless for pwm right?

[sand atlas]

If you want pwm control yes

They're all pwm fans

[tulip granite]

whats the amps of one connector again?

[ember marsh]

Would that be fine with the torrent if it's connected for a top mount? Or would I actually have to remove my aio and put it back on with new thermal paste for a proper front mount

[tulip granite]

i got some other fans

[sand atlas]

1A unless otherwise stated in the manual

[tulip granite]

if I connect 3 fans to the hub, and the hub is connect to a single sys_fan, then I cant control the pwm of each fan individually right? I would have to set the same voltage to each fan right?

or width not sure how pwm works

[sand atlas]

Correct, the fans on the hub would all run the same % speed

[tulip granite]

hmm, then I might do my rear fan seperate

[sand atlas]

You can always take the front 180mm fans and run those off a motherboard header, and do the rest on the hub

Or whatever combination

[tulip granite]

I took the 180s out to fit the rad. The bottom fits a 180 and 140 haha

[sand atlas]

I guess that's the reason for me to mount the rad outside lol, I fit both 180s on the bottom

[tulip granite]

any front fans? how do u have ur rad?

just pull?

[sand atlas]

Push

[ember marsh]

Well what's a case that I can do a top mount but has the same kind of features as the fractal torrent

[sand atlas]

Hang on I got pics from hwbot

[tulip granite]

isnt pull better because it gets less dust

[sand atlas]

The P500A digital gets really good reviews, it's also a large case with lots of bells and whistles

[sand atlas]

If it fit sure

[ember marsh]

See idk if I trust phanteks cause I have one. And you don't know how horrid it was to put the case together with all the stuff in it

Not the p500a. I think it's the g360a

[tulip granite]

any front panel?

[sand atlas]

G360A is a fair bit smaller. Maybe consider the 5000D airflow then.

[sand atlas]

lol no

[tulip granite]

uhhhh

lmao dust

[sand atlas]

lmao electric duster

[ember marsh]

It's in fact too small for a 360mm aio.

Unless you want to pull your hair out before squeezing your case together to screw in anything then the g360a is your case

[sand atlas]

The 5000D? No way it's too small for that, it's a big case

[ember marsh]

No the g360a is

[sand atlas]

Ohh yeah like I said, fair bit smaller

I'd usually do a 280mm max in that

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PWn8TW/corsair-5000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011210-ww

[ember marsh]

I'll have to check the 5000d out

Does that come with fans in it?

[sand atlas]

Only 2

[ember marsh]

Ah ok so would the 3 fan aio along with the 3 fan gpu be good? Or would I need something a little better?

Cause I plan on upgrading my gpu to a 40 series soon

[sand atlas]

You can take the fans out of your current case to fill in some spots too

[ember marsh]

True but they're all white so I'd need a white case lol

Unless I'm tryna do a black and white case

[sand atlas]

Well you're in luck lol https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JWn8TW/corsair-5000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011211-ww

There's a rgb model that comes with more fans too https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kLkH99/corsair-icue-5000d-rgb-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011243-ww

[ember marsh]

Which I see they do have a white case

I'd assume this is bigger and can. Fit my aio and bigger gou when it comes to upgrading from a 30 series to a 40 series

[sand atlas]

Yep

Top mount 360mm should be no issue

[ember marsh]

I'd probly have to do the rgb one if it comes with the fans. Just as long as it allows a top mount for a 360mm aio

[sand atlas]

Leaving plenty of room to the front for a 4090 even

Look at all that room on the top

[ember marsh]

Thats nice

[serene siren]

Why we lookin at corsair reeee

[ember marsh]

And I saw the picture of the fan space on the back of the case too. Thay allows me to get the 3 from the front of my old case and slap em in the back if I have space for the fans to actually function. If not I'd need more connections

[sand atlas]

There's a hub included for the fans

[serene siren]

G360A fits top mount, that's it's whole marketing schtick

[sand atlas]

Yeah they have that, apparently it's a tight fit and hard to work with

[serene siren]

Yes it was always like that

[ember marsh]

I could show you the damage to the case

It was a pain in my side putting it together

[serene siren]

Which aio did you try to fit

[ember marsh]

360 mm

[serene siren]

Brand

Model

Lol

[ember marsh]

Can't remember the brand lemme look lmao

Sheesh that's a big link

[sand atlas]

Whooo what a long link

https://www.newegg.com/deepcool-liquid-cooling-system-ls720/p/N82E16835856219

[ember marsh]

There we go

[sand atlas]

Delete everything after "?"

That's a good way to shorten

Fun fact, discord won't even let you click a link that's too long

"This link may be malformed and dangerous"

[ember marsh]

Yeah I was gonna say somt worry it's not gonna steal your info lmao

[serene siren]

Interesting

Hold on lemme look at the rad

[ember marsh]

Trust me I literally asked everywhere about every part of my pc before I even bought it.

Like watched YouTube and even Google everything I could find about every part I have

[serene siren]

Ah yeah I can see it's a bit longer than others

Interesting

[ember marsh]

I figured

[serene siren]

Well if you got damage, you could email phanteks about it

They just straight advertise 360mm in general

I was going to get one myself soon for a build, so I could have a look at that

[ember marsh]

The 5000d seems like it's gonna be so much better. And as long as I don't have to unmount my aio and just move it in with no complications I'm chillin

[serene siren]

Yeah if you want as well

The p400a digital is on sale rn

It's 5000d size without the 5000d price

You'd have to check if it does top mount tho cos p series normally has 240mm up top

[ember marsh]

Eh price isn't my big issue. Honestly I just need airflow and Space for upgrades if I want it

[serene siren]

P400a afaik is like an eatx case lmao

[sand atlas]

Just like the torrent advertises 420mm but IT FREAKING DOESN'T FIT except one specific AIO

[ember marsh]

From the video I'm watching and the picture falcie sent it seems to allow a top mount

[serene siren]

Sadge p400a is 280 top

Ye we've seen top mount g360a's

[sand atlas]

I suggested P500A already too

[serene siren]

Hmm

Lemme have a look

[ember marsh]

I mean my phanteks experience was kinda ruined seeing as the first case I bought was a pain. But the aio was the issue and my inexperience wasn't great

[serene siren]

Oh what about fractal pop xl

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xdRYcf/fractal-design-pop-xl-air-atx-full-tower-case-fd-c-por1x-01

[ember marsh]

If it's like the 5000d I'm all for it but I'm gonna be very cautious on what I buy

[serene siren]

Cheaper than 5000d, comes with more fans, MASSIVE

Ye for sure man

Do your research

I appreciate being alerted about the g360a tbh

We don't get much feedback here besides our own market research

[ember marsh]

Thats not bad either. It looks massive lol

[serene siren]

I can definitely see what happened and I'm sorry if we recommended that combo before

Ls720+g360a was on our lists for a long time, so I'd believe it

[serene siren]

It's huge e-atx

Full tower

And the most compatibility for the cheapest price

Pop air is very nice if you like simple lines

[ember marsh]

So it'll allow for lots of upgrading.

[serene siren]

Yeah for sure

It'll fit whatever gpu

[ember marsh]

I'd assume the cases aren't brand specific for motherboards or anything

[sand atlas]

Torrent is bigger

[serene siren]

Ya atx is the standard

Made to ensure wide compatibility

You could also look at maybe something a bit more unique

Jonsbo d41 mesh

It has some gpu length limits but it has a huge compatibility footprint for such a compact case

Full atx compatibility

And 360 aio on top

Ap201 is very similar but matx size

[ember marsh]

I mean for rn it's a work in progress. It'll probly be a set combo for a 40 series a gpu bracket to hold it up so theres no slack and what not

[serene siren]

Ah, which 40 series?

[ember marsh]

Will just need to find the right time to order a gou that's on sals

[ember marsh]

Doesn't matter to me. Proper pricing which is kind of current gen

[sand atlas]

7900 XTX > 4080

Just saying

[ember marsh]

Cause I don't really wanna have to upgrade again

[serene siren]

7900xt and xtx over almost all of them tbh

[ember marsh]

Like technically my rigg rn is fairly new

[sand atlas]

Nothing touches the 4090 yet but that price

[serene siren]

I mean

[ember marsh]

Yeah I needa save before I spend lots of money but ik it'll be worth it. It'll probly bottleneck my 5800x3d lmao