16gb in total
#cases-psu-and-cooling
blissful thistle
Nice
blissful thistle
Could get a silicon power 3200c16 kit for $47
scenic lance
thats what im getting :))))
blissful thistle
Oh you have rhat selected lol
blissful thistle
Actually https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V8848d/oloy-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-md4u0836180bhkda
scenic lance
blissful thistle
This is on sale rn for same price
Will be a bit better with a 3600
Not a huge difference, but can't hurt at the same price
scenic lance
i like the one i got better looks cleaner
scenic lance
im using the
https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-Computer-Processor-TG01-0030/dp...
what do you think about me taking the cpu and gpu out of this and putting it into the new build
🙂
my first personalized build
blissful thistle
That's perfectly fine
blissful thistle
You keeping the ssd right?
blissful thistle
Can always add an ssd, instead of straight up upgrading
scenic lance
how many ssd's can i have on my mob
scenic lance
i think 2 also i looked and i say 2 ports
im sooo happy to build it
my first build ever
immma addddd hella fans also
🙂 rgb make pc gooo brrrrr
scenic lance
will it fit the case i have
blissful thistle
Arctic p12 argb
scenic lance
ooo imma get them 🙂 when i have the money
thanks for recomending them
because my case only has 2 fans but ill be ok with that until i get those fans
scenic lance
what is the difference between different brand ssd's because im looking for a 1tb stick to add to my pc
my pc is https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yf4rwc
@blissful thistle
blissful thistle
Diff brand is irrelevant, model is important
I'd just get mp33 as long as it's still cheap when you buy it
scenic lance
@blissful thistle can i get a link
blissful thistle
You can just search "mp33" in storage on pcp
blissful thistle
It's a good drive for cheap
hollow leaf
🙂 rgb make pc gooo brrrrr
RGB = 1000% performance gain.
polar seal
1000% energy savings
mortal creek
(Please @ me, if you have an answer! Thanks!)
Can you rotate a Power Supply's (PSU) plug orientation?
I am really interested in the ASUS AP201 case, but the PSU I want has it's power plug orientation facing the opposite direction of the PSU extender cable that is included in the case.
My question is, can I just turn it the other way (180 degrees)?
There are screws on the PSU plug that make it look like it's easy enough to do in less than a minute, but IDK if this will mess up any of the wiring in the PSU and short the PSU or something.
The PSU is the Corsair HX1000i (2022)
To me, it seems like an end-user can do this no issues or they wouldn't have given the end-user access to the screws in the first place, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Note: The PSU cannot be mounted in a different direction (I want to pull in fresh air from outside the case) as it is placed into the case using a bracket on the front
Thanks in advance for any help!
elfin trout
flip the direction of the kettle lead? I would seriously recommend you not to do so, and you can probably just flip the PSU extender cable..?
lofty pewter
Ground pin(?) is soldered to exterior, so not really
In general Id recommend flipping the cable somewhere unnoticeable or getting a cable going in the other direction
bleak holly
I need help deciding on a case, I plan to do custom liquid cooling. For the case I'd like 2x 360mm rads or bigger. I am currently considering the Thermaltake Tower 900. my budget for the case is up to $600. Needs to be delivered to Mexico.
elfin trout
p500a?
bleak holly
~~p500a?~~
Anything more showy and perhaps with more space?
elfin trout
p500a has quite a bit of space
5000d&7000d airflow
There's the fractal pop xl air thing
H500m is a thing
bleak holly
Isn't H500m a mid-tower though?
If it helps, I plan to water cool both the GPU & CPU each with their own rad and pump, so I was thinking a full tower would be appropriate.
what's the difference between 5000d and 7000d?
nvm just answered my own question.
upbeat dew
If it helps, I plan to water cool both the GPU & CPU each with their own rad and...
one pump is enough for the whole system
hell even one rad is enough as well
bleak holly
Wouldn't it be better heat wise to have 2x D5 pumps for a 4090+I9-13900K?
upbeat dew
the less crowded your loop is the easier for maintenance as well
no need for overkill rads, thats not efficient
serene siren
Fins per inch and rad size matter and value as much as how many rads in a loop, if not more
upbeat dew
remember that you cant go lower than room temperature
bleak holly
remember that you cant go lower than room temperature
17c is my room temp.
upbeat dew
hahahahahahaha
serene siren
this is not my field
bleak holly
Confused, what's so funny.....
upbeat dew
nor mine, we just give him some insigths 😛
bleak holly
As for the pumps may I ask why 2 is overkill?
serene siren
I'm not gonna recommend a rad when I only know the fundamentals, not which product better
bleak holly
I'd like to understand things as much as possible.
upbeat dew
better to have one thicc rad and one strong pump than an overcrowded system
serene siren
Hay knows a lot more in this
upbeat dew
to have an easy time with maintenance as well
bleak holly
Maintenance I don't really mind as I have time to kill but currently just really concerned about heat issues with 13th gen/40 series.
upbeat dew
As for the pumps may I ask why 2 is overkill?
because you are moving distilled water, not oil
one pump is strong enough
bleak holly
Any recommendations on pumps?
serene siren
13th gen is a lot easier to cool than 12th gen
upbeat dew
e cores go brrrrrrr
bleak holly
because you are moving distilled water, not oil
Not much of an answer tbh..... My thinking was that 2 pumps one for each system would allow me to push away through the waterblocks faster then 1 pump divided over two blocks could do for better heat transfer.
bleak holly
13th gen is a lot easier to cool than 12th gen
May I ask why?
serene siren
larger die size so less heat concentration + better efficiency per core
bleak holly
Oh, I thought it was the same die size.
serene siren
it's easier to suck heat out of a chip if there's more of it
bleak holly
So I figured it'd be even harder to cool being more cramped.
serene siren
nah other way
bleak holly
Ohhh okay.
serene siren
it's been confirmed by several first-hand sources here now
upbeat dew
some nda breakers xD
bleak holly
Tbh, even if it is overkill if I do go with the thermaltake tower 900 it just wouldn't look right without two pumps....
upbeat dew
you want 2 custom loops in one system, am i right?
bleak holly
bleak holly
you want 2 custom loops in one system, am i right?
yeah.
upbeat dew
one rad and pump for the gpu and another rad and pump for the cpu
serene siren
that's that case made for 2 pumps isn't it lol
bleak holly
One for the gpu, and one for the CPU.
upbeat dew
well, its your money anyway
bleak holly
one rad and pump for the gpu and another rad and pump for the cpu
Exacto.
upbeat dew
you need 2 reservoirs as well
bleak holly
Do get a pump/res combo?
serene siren
what I would do
https://ggflan.com/lian-li-o11-air-mini-zero-rgb-build/
upbeat dew
just get one pump+reservoir and rad for each loop
bleak holly
just get one pump+reservoir and rad for each loop
Got it.
Any pump/res combos you guys recommend?
upbeat dew
not our area of expertise xD
bleak holly
Also does anyone know if the corsair hardline bending kit would work for other branded tubes?
upbeat dew
hay can help you with that
as long as the fittings will match the tubes, yeah, why not?
bleak holly
Should I go 2x480mm or 2x560mm?
upbeat dew
ask that to your wallet, not us
bleak holly
Would there be any performance difference?
Or barely any what so ever?
My budget for this upgrade is $4,000
serene siren
after a certain point you depart from cooling power needed and reach a point of heatsink effectiveness
and thus more rad is just pointless
bleak holly
after a certain point you depart from cooling power needed and reach a point of ...
Can you enlighten me on what you mean by "heatsink effectiveness"?
Do you mean the waterblock?
serene siren
heatsinks will be better or worse at sucking the heat out of the chip
upbeat dew
oh i get it
serene siren
if you pick a really good one, like let's say a heatkiller, you'll do better at pulling the heat out than lets say, a corsair one
more rad means more heat soak capacity
better heatsink contact means better heat succ
so the chip runs cooler, but with worse rads you might saturate the loop sooner
serene siren
again, don't ask me which ones to buy, this is not my field, I appreciate Hay is here to spectate, if you can give any recommendations there
many thank 🙏
serene siren
yea pretty much
bleak holly
Thanks
I will take another look but for some reason a lot of the Heatkillers I saw won't ship to MX.
bleak holly
Currently trying Amazon MX as in some cases it's a little cheaper.
serene siren
heatkiller is gorgeous tho, not only great performance but great looks
bleak holly
are all heatkiller rads made of copper?
upbeat dew
i do that for my country, ship everything to my courier on miami and air mail to ecuador
upbeat dew
are all heatkiller rads made of copper?
you should read the descriptions on the site
or research them on the watercool page
most of that info are just one click away on google
lofty pewter
I dont have FPI numbers but I do know basic ranking of rads. (edit: disregard most of this, they all perf the same more in their respective thickness) Basically top performers are HardwareLabs rads which change based off of size (GTX ranks better then GTS, GTS ranks same as LS, and LS is OEM for brands [Bitspower Leviathan XF/Corsair RX5], and Corsair XR7 is some other OEM that I cant quickly find but still worse then GTX). There is also HL GTR but that has some high FPI/thickness, not ideal for low RPM (weak static pressure). So basically perf chart looks like:
-HL GTR (assuming high RPM fans for high static pressure, which is loud)
-HL GTX/Corsair XR7, some HL OEM name I dont know
-HL GTS/HL LS (OEM)/Corsair XR5/Bitspower Leviathan XF
serene siren
should also footnote pump counts as well for quality of heat draw
I only know fundamentals tho, it's something I've been learning since 12th gen came out
oh yeah hardware labs
upbeat dew
you are cooling with a loop right felix?
bleak holly
Got it, so the one I found is a 480x30mm Heatkiller rad made of copper and brass with stainless steel sides.
lofty pewter
Reason why main HL rads are better then their OEM is due to size. So OEM HL is smaller which can be nicer for compatibility. Tho if size isnt an issue then prolly just go main HL rads.
bleak holly
Reason why main HL rads are better then their OEM is due to size. So OEM HL is s...
HL is hardwarelabs I am assuming?
serene siren
ye
lofty pewter
Okay nvm, seems like size difference from OEM to main doesnt seem to matter based on tests ig. So OEM is same as main
bleak holly
I don't see any rads when I look up Hardware Labs radiator.
Am I putting in wrong search terms?
lofty pewter
Might help using other parts of model name. Here is the GTX360 site:
https://hardwarelabs.com/nemesis/gtx/360gtx/
bleak holly
Thanks.
bleak holly
What are fan hubs used for?
sand atlas
They let you control a bunch of fans from a single header without worrying about overloading it
bleak holly
Would I otherwise need to plug each fan into a different 4pin header?
Or does the arctic fans support daisy chaining?
fierce pivot
The pst in arctics naming scheme is daisy chain
sand atlas
PST = Power Sharing Technology, aka daisy chain
They're really low power fans too so you can easily do 7-9 on a single standard 1A header
mild roost
Just standard 4 pin pwm header works fine
mild roost
Yeah, those would basically need at least two 4pin headers
bleak holly
Would it be of any benefit to get a hub for them?
By the way, what does Falcie mean by "overloading them"?
mild roost
Pulling too much power to the point it melts the connector
Or starts a fire
That's what overloading meant
I don't see the point of getting a hub if mobo has enough 4 pin headers
bleak holly
Got it.
By the way, before I make a final decission on the P12s, are there any other good fans in a similar price range that perform better?
bleak holly
Pulling too much power to the point it melts the connector
Would have 6-7 fans on 1 header be to much?
bleak holly
If it makes a difference, noise isn't a big issue with me so I plan to run them near full speed.
mild roost
And no, the P12 beats everything else
The only thing that beats them are noctuas and the T30
Those are a lot more expensive
bleak holly
T30?
mild roost
Phanteks
bleak holly
Is that RGB? Never heard of em.
bleak holly
Ahh okay. Maybe another day then.
mild roost
But if you really insist in rgb, there's p12 argb
But be careful, it might consume more power
bleak holly
Those are the ones I'm currently looking at.
mild roost
I haven't checked their specs
bleak holly
P12 PST ARGB.
"ARCTIC P12 PWM PST A-RGB (3 PCS) - Static Pressure Optimized 120mm PWM Case Fan, Case Fan, Semi-Passive: 0-2000 RPM, 5V 3-Pin A-RGB LED - Black"
Does 3pin work on a 4pin slot?
bleak holly
Ahh just saw.
mild roost
It has another cable for you to connect for rgb
The fan power itself is still 4 pin pwm
bleak holly
So I connect the fans to a 4pin and put the 3pin into the ARGB headers on my mobo?
mild roost
Don't confuse 5V argb with 12V 3 pin tho
Yes
That's how you're supposed to use the cables
bleak holly
Got it.
Oh btw, Foxy. Do you have any recommendations on pump/res combos?
been stuck between a rock and a hard place on which ones to get.
bleak holly
Oooof, alright.
lofty pewter
Oh btw, Foxy. Do you have any recommendations on pump/res combos?
Really isnt much to worry about there. You're mainly focused on the D5 pump, so not like there is much else that can be different. Just looks, water volume (which is kinda pointless but idk), size/shape (compatibility), port locations (for fittings or fill/drain ports), and price. Basically all of which is subjective or dependent on case/loop design.
bleak holly
How much coolant do you think I should get for each loop? Using 480mm rad per loop.
lofty pewter
Idk, I just get a bottle of pure biocide and mix with distilled water. So I dont really memorize water volume.
elfin trout
I think EK pre-portions coolants
sand atlas
I think EK pre-portions coolants
They do both a concentrate and premix, your choice.
bleak holly
I think EK pre-portions coolants
You think 2-3 liters should be enough?
elfin trout
Dunno for sure
bleak holly
Oooof....
I guess it won't hurt to get a bit extra then.
By the way.
Since when did coolant cost $50 a pop?!
upbeat dew
did you expect them to be like a bottle of water? xD
custom loops are expensive for a reason you know 😛
im sure you can do your own coolant, should be a lot of videos about that
bleak holly
Still, wtf did they put in the coolant to make it $50/L.
upbeat dew
its basically distilled water and a biocide
bleak holly
Which brand makes the better coolants?
Because I may go with like Alphacool or Byski if it isn't a big difference.
Much cheaper for their coolants.
elfin trout
Doesn't really matter, ek just used more colorful dyes
upbeat dew
you can always go with a transparent one on some of those glacier tubes
neat
or a graphene like dye
black as your soul
maintenance on those are for like? every 6 months?
upbeat dew
like a toothpaste, i like it
bleak holly
you can always go with a transparent one on some of those glacier tubes
Already got the satin tubes picked out.
bleak holly
Doesn't really matter, ek just used more colorful dyes
Hmmm, are PrimoChill coolants bad?
Because those are like a 3rd of the cost of what I have selected rn.
I am thinking of doing acid green in one loop, and maybe purple in the other loop.
upbeat dew
hopefully hay will come soon to help you with that xD
still do some research on coolants on the web as well, look for reviews, reddit, forums
bleak holly
Every thing together comes out to around $3,500 pre GPU.
upbeat dew
thats quite the coin, but w/e float your boat man
i have 2k saved for my pc with gpu included
im a simple man
expecting to spend 1.2k max on my gpu alone, no more
upbeat dew
depends on the model
upbeat dew
lian li sfx units are b-tier, not sure about that one because is new, but i shouldnt trust a 3080 to a b tier unit
blissful thistle
Coolermaster v sfx 850 is what I'd go with
blissful thistle
lian li sfx units are b-tier, not sure about that one because is new, but i shou...
Depends on the B tier
Gt would do fine
And a few others
If there was an 850 I'd say cxf
upbeat dew
well some named b tiers are fine
still 3080s are very power hungry, not all b tiers can hold against a transient
blissful thistle
Mm
upbeat dew
too bad is a 750 one, but that one is nice
blissful thistle
Corsair sf? I'm actually unsure if that ones good or not
upbeat dew
seems like a tier the sfx corsair units
blissful thistle
Nice
hidden thicket
What exactly makes it a B tier?
blissful thistle
Probably mediocre transient load handling
elfin trout
There's a list of requirements
upbeat dew
a lot
this is an extract of the tiering metodology
well, not an example, a fraction
elfin trout
upbeat dew
the other day i was reading about LLC topology, man its fantastic
hidden thicket
So should I just take a risk and see if its A tier in the future hjaha
It just got released
upbeat dew
Just go for the coolermaster sfx unit that bacca suggested
better to get something already reviewed than gamble on a new unit
coolermaster sfx gold series is an A tier unit
psu is the one part where you cant go cheap, nor gamble. A bad psu can damage the rest of your system
bleak holly
What PSU would you guys recommend for a 4090 + 13900K?
Was looking at the tier list but not sure which one to pick due to some concerning reviews like PSUs exploding or mobo burning out.
blissful thistle
Not any psu that currently exists
bleak holly
What do you mean by that?
elfin trout
MSI supposed to be releasing an ATX 3.0 PSU soon
bleak holly
I am confused by this 3.0 stuff. What is the difference?
upbeat dew
and both of your choices are not in the market yet
atx3.0 have new standards
and a new connector for the upcoming nvidia gpus
bleak holly
Didn't realize the new GPUs required a new connector.
upbeat dew
look at google about atx 3.0 psus
bleak holly
Got it.
bleak holly
Question, what would the performance difference be, between say a 420mm Arctic AIO vs Custom Loop with 480mm rad?
I am considering posponing Custom Liquid Cooling until I am back in China.
lofty pewter
CPU shouldnt have too much difference. GPU can easily get large differences with large PLs (such as PLs given in XOC vBIOSes). Hard to say what differences will be like due to coolers being larger then ever on ADA and max PL being unknown, but pretty good chance to still be a pretty decent difference.
bleak holly
CPU shouldnt have too much difference. GPU can easily get large differences with...
I think I will do AIO for the CPU then and just wait till I am back in China to run the GPU and CPU both in a loop then.
bleak holly
Is the Hyte Y60 a good case?
bleak holly
thanks.
bleak holly
How much of a difference would a push/pull make on an AIO?
bleak holly
Yea nvm, not spending the money for that then.
lunar root
Didn't realize the new GPUs required a new connector.
Well 3090 ti has 16 pin connectors
serene siren
:V
arctic crest
Are the cables of https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-mwe-gold-750-full-modular-mpy-7501-afaag-us-750w/p/N82E16817171129?Item=N82E16817171129 and https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-mwe-gold-750-v2-mpe-7501-afaag-us-750w/p/N82E16817171181?nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Bing+Rebates+on+non-Edge+browsers+and+coupons&AFFID=3624890&AFFNAME=Bing+Rebates+on+non-Edge+browsers+and+coupons&ACRID=1&ASUBID=oc5A05L8E%2FcFrofF6SHThHkGBhbXRqYhLKqt3y4IiQzsNKxBCWyC9eQU%2FtGkQdyG&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=3624890&ranSiteID=msYS1Nvjv4c-UfMs4T7YoF833fMPBkrHPA interchangeable? I had the v1 version until it broke and I had to rma it. They sent me a v2 version and I was wondering if I need to discard my old cables?
elfin trout
Are the cables of https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-mwe-gold-750-full-modular...
They're supposed to be the same platform but I'd go ask CM support to be sure
arctic crest
They're supposed to be the same platform but I'd go ask CM support to be sure
Got it, I messaged the CM discord too.
hollow leaf
What is a good 650w PSU?
sand atlas
Do you need A tier or is B tier (midrange) fine?
hollow leaf
uhm I actually need a 750w
and a or b oughta be fine. I think it's a little bit of an older system
trying to find the cheapest option, but also obviously want the quality.
hollow leaf
anything closer to the 50-60$ mark?
hollow leaf
ok, what about 650 then?
serene siren
EVGA BBQ is 60 💀
hollow leaf
I see.
sand atlas
If it's an older system this would probably be fine, C tier https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xLs8TW/evga-bq-750w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-110-bq-0750-v1
serene siren
650 v 750
hollow leaf
@serene siren @sand atlas this is their list of current specs https://pcpartpicker.com/user/SigmaS6x/saved/#view=86YHGX
sand atlas
Speculative B would be better than known C?
Theoretically yes, but it's not proven by load testing
sand atlas
<@101107951401455616> <@396513761550270464> this is their list of current specs ...
There is no need for even 650W on that system lol, 550 would be fine but good units start in the 650W range
hollow leaf
So that super flower 650w sspeculative b should be ok then?
sand atlas
More than ok
hollow leaf
ok, I don't want her to get something less and then it not work correctly for her.
sand atlas
Nah that APU is pretty low power and the 970 is not that thirsty
But dang I haven't seen someone using a FM2 board in ages
hollow leaf
😛 yeah she' has not upgraded anything in a long while. I think her PSU popped a month or so ago so she is finally getting around to ordering one and asked me for help.
@serene siren @sand atlas Here. I'll forward this to you guys because you guys did the work.
sand atlas
Cool, happy to help
serene siren
fierce pivot
uhm I actually need a 750w
Gigabyte udgm 750w is the best choice atm actually
hollow leaf
Gigabyte udgm 750w is the best choice atm actually
To late Pato!!!!! She already ordered lol
fierce pivot
To late Pato!!!!! She already ordered lol
How dare i not be up at 3am 
fierce pivot
That says 7:27pm Mr.
serene siren
pato he's texting us at 3am
fierce pivot
Smh my head
serene siren
hollow leaf
go get some sleep <:feelsweird:968900368379543553>
Make me
hollow leaf
damn, you guys are true heroes
still kickin xD
I still have to go to bike repair shop in an hour. Then get back home and call my boss' boss lol
scenic lance
Just before I make the buy I want make sure
Is this a good case?
I hear it has the best airflow
blissful thistle
i wouldn't exactly say the best, but yes that is a good case
scenic lance
i wouldn't exactly say the best, but yes that is a good case
Sweet
That's all i needed to know
Thanks
cloud coyote
is DeepCool MATREXX 40 with Full-size Tempered Glass Side Panel, High Airflow Cooling, and Removable Drive Cage Micro ATX/Mini ITX Tower Case and Open Box: GIGABYTE B450M DS3H WIFI AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX AMD Motherboard and ryzen 3 5300g compatible
fierce pivot
yes but would not buy any of those parts personally, whats your use case, budget and country?
cloud coyote
United States hp pavilion tg01 prebuilt that i wanna case swap and budget is around $200 (case swapping)
blissful thistle
I'd get b550 pro vdh wifi and mx330-g
worthy bloom
thermaltake versa h18 black
asrock b450m hdr-v
16gb beast
amd athlon 3000g
some evga bronze psu 550watt
just school work rig
maybe some light gaming
timid basin
👀
serene siren
👀
surreal magnet
👀
elfin trout
👀
past harbor
A possible attribute:
mild roost
bend moment
bleak holly
Got it, so don't let my PSU cable bend.
bleak holly
get an atx 3.0 psu right away
What I plan to do.
Do you think the new 4090s will be able to fit in the fractal torrent case?
bleak holly
Good to know.
And man, I still can't believe I am gonna end up having to spend $386 for 6x 140mm Prisma Al fans...
serene siren
Judging by the size of the 4090 pics this morning, and the enormous size of a fractal torrent, you could definitely fit one
Maybe even 2
bleak holly
Maybe even 2
Good.
So I can flex my muscles with a 3070 and 4090 in the same system.
Lmao.
bleak holly
SLI CONNECTIR???
....
serene siren
NO SLI ON 4090
bleak holly
Now I kinda wanna do that when 5090s come out.
bleak holly
That's a shame.
I wish Nvidia would just make a new SLI that actually combined the cores of both GPUs for all apps.
Rather then select apps.
Just my humble thought.
serene siren
This means AMD might take all the records with crossfire
As that too, continues to die
bleak holly
Is that their version of SLI?
bleak holly
nvidia's sli successor
Thought they were the same, just a new version.
mild roost
huh, seems to lack that
bleak holly
Does NVlink actually combine the cuda cores and such?
serene siren
Nvlink is inherently different afaik
mild roost
nvlink works much better
mild roost
tho non quadro cards with nvlink gets the worse version
that doesn't really utilize second gpu to its fullest extent
due to bandwidth limitations
mild roost
Works for all apps?
yep
bleak holly
Hmmm.
bleak holly
So again, the app needs to support it.....
mild roost
so it's not really worth it outside of workstation tasks
well, yes. but it's not as bad as sli is lol
bleak holly
There goes my dream of running SVEVL Shaders at full settings on 8k in MC with a 4k texture pack and 64 render distance.
mild roost
sli simply kills perf when something doesn't support it
serene siren
I mean, sli had no benefit for normal people outside of benchmarks these days
Let alone nvlink
bleak holly
Brb, like 10-12m.
serene siren
You get the benchmark flex but that's it, it doesn't help any games
mild roost
nvlink does have use in workstation workload tho
but other than that
nah, not worth it
serene siren
Ye
lofty pewter
Nvlink is inherently different afaik
NVLink still uses SLITech, so the base of SLI is still there. But NVLink do be different then SLI
bleak holly
nvlink does have use in workstation workload tho
Currently for my 3D modelling purposes a 4090 would be more than sufficient.
So yeah, probably gonna be another year before I get good enough in 3D modelling to be able to make use of a NVlinked 4090.
timid basin
get an atx 3.0 psu right away
it's the connector having issues, the rest isn't relevant
craggy mirage
Went to buy that GameMax 1050w Aora sync power supply, using one of my restricted cards, just to see how bad ordering from Alibaba is. Price was supposed to be $89+$9.00 s&h. Got a online warning from my bank, they tried charging $2100, so obviously I declined it. Seller is like "we refund yu once shipment opened" This is prime example why I only buy off Newegg.
Virtual # canceled, all good.
upbeat dew
?
craggy mirage
Wish Newegg would sell them. Several sellers Newegg yanked over the weeks, never sell the model with the RGB sync port.
upbeat dew
why are you so hellbent on those gamemax psus? we already advised you against those units
we should be glad that egg doesnt sell them
craggy mirage
I know. Problem isn't with the manufacturer, it's the sellers relabeling the 850w as 1050w. They can change the label, but pretty hard to repaint the case that shows the real model type. I like the real ones. I used Corsair in the past, and Rosewill, and Rosewill died after 6 months, taking my wife's HP system with it. The good part, was my wife seeing what my ASUS server was like, no lag, no preinstalled garbage, built her an Z390! system, with GameMax PS, the only true sync I could get my hands on last year.
upbeat dew
ok, you are not getting it... gamemax make bad psus. period. you dont need to prove anything
craggy mirage
I might get myself a Thermaltake.
upbeat dew
if you want rgb on your psu you could go for an asus thor unit
which i think is a waste
lofty pewter
I know. Problem isn't with the manufacturer, it's the sellers relabeling the 850...
Rosewill makes many bad units and a few meh units, so not like they were a good choice either
craggy mirage
Asus is in my bad books at the moment. Hence gigabyte.
upbeat dew
you have corsair, evga, superflower
there is a lot of good A tier units
no need to be that deep on gamemax units
lofty pewter
99% of the time, 
. Asus has both good and bad models
upbeat dew
yup, and the thor units are pretty good... overpirced... but pretty good
craggy mirage
Why is Asus a waste? Isn't Thermaltake good? Or they a psu killer too?
upbeat dew
no, its a waste to buy a psu for the rgb sync thing
that was my point
but if you want rgb so bad, then thats a choice
lofty pewter
Some TT PSUs are bad, some are meh and overpriced, and some are decent-ish and overpriced
upbeat dew
look, there is a list on the pin section of this channel
with the tier of most psu units on the market
use it, choose an A tier unit
and check which one will fit on your budget
me, as an example, use a 850w g6 unit form evga... A tier gold unit
lofty pewter
If you want RGB, just get some RGB strips. Way cheaper and doesnt limit your component options to RGB options only (which means heavily overpriced options or more bad units hoping to sell you on RGB)
craggy mirage
The only complaints I read on Thermaltake killing someone's motherboards, was 2020 and they hooked the sync right to the motherboard, despite the warning label, a controller is needed.
upbeat dew
then dont
as hay said
buy an rgb strip and stick it to the psu
get a corsair Rmx unit 850w+ as an example
rm series are pretty good
lofty pewter
Also maybe buy a diffuser so you dont see raw LEDs
Or hide LED strip somewhere (behind PSU shroud or smth idk)
upbeat dew
you are limiting yourself by trying to get an rgb sync psu unit, sacrificing both quality and money on the process
craggy mirage
There was a psu a few years back that allowed you to put your own 120mm RGB fan in, and I can't for the life of me remember what it was called, only that it was 850w
upbeat dew
that was a few years ago, use the list to get a good quality unit from today
you try so hard to live in the past, they are gone and were replaced for upgraded units these days
lofty pewter
I mean technically all PSUs allow you to swap fans, but most of the time it is dangerous as you expose the potentially charged capacitors
craggy mirage
I'll go check. Thanks again. Sometimes you get attached to something you got to comfortable with, despite everyone saying it's bad lol
upbeat dew
its always a bad practice to attach yourself to a brand. even if they did good in the past you cant rely on that for future decisions... that's why reviews are so important these days. and the tier list is well documented and updated using many many reviews and tests on all those units
bleak holly
Anyone know if there is a way that I could put a monitor inside the fractal torrent case?
upbeat dew
yeah, with your imagination
use double sided tape as an example
or drill some holes for screws
there is no fixed site for mounting a monitor inside the case, just use your imagination 😛
knotty mesa
err
serene siren
errrrrrrrrr
sand atlas
Errrrrror?
sand atlas
Any monitor recommendations?
Raspberry pi screens that have HDMI work well
Doesn't need to be super high res, 720p is usually fine
hollow leaf
Hot glue works good. Easy to remove if you need to take the panel out or move it somewhere else.
craggy mirage
They want to mount a monitor inside the case? Isn't that a bit unhealthy? Depending on monitor I'd be worried about heat build up and interfearance, as I just can't picture any type of monitor mounting on a case without taking it out of it's frame, or am I confusing things here, like they want to sit it on top of the case?
serene siren
Can sit, can mount, can slot
It's not really that bad tbh if it's away from the heavy heatmakers
For example Mine's right next to the GPU
craggy mirage
Think I opened maybe two monitors, flat screen type in my life to replace fuse for backlight, and the RF shielding if you can call it that, was foil glued on the back of the cover.
serene siren
Oh no you just cut the little frame tabs off
You don't take the screen apart lol
For the mobile phone method you download a display passthrough app and use that to emulate the screen
craggy mirage
I just got a monitor holder for my desk as my new TV/Monitor with blue Ray came with the most oddest feet and stupid thing had to balance on top of my Roland speakers till I could get a proper stand and remove those feet.
I should try that. I have like 50+ unused android devices.
Can you do that using WiFi and no cable?
Be interesting playing Starbound off my tablet lol
serene siren
You can yeah actually
craggy mirage
I almost got Ragnarok Online to work off my phone, but the application was missing a key file that the author wanted $800 for
serene siren
And then you can plug in a charging cable after it's setup (not before)
craggy mirage
Had it synched with rAythena
Something to look into.
Before I7 existed, first game server I ran was RunUO.
Had to use one system to run server, another for client or lag was just insane. Fast forward to now, NVME and 12 core I9, and can run 6 different servers and a client with zero lag, unless you got a player with a severe hoarding complex heh.
Starbound, prime example. I disabled the ability to make containers above 50 slots. That game storage was coded badly so it didn't matter if the container was used or not, just making one caused the server to make 50 slots it would always read and write to if the player was logged in, regardless of being used. Had to roll back because they made 200 chests with 500 slots and not even I on same system could get to that planet to remove them. Try and you'd crash trying to load in. Rolled server back 8 hours and locked containers to 50, and that fixed that. This new build, I'm waiting for the new ram.
hollow leaf
They want to mount a monitor inside the case? Isn't that a bit unhealthy? Depend...
"Raspberry Pi" monitors generally come without a "shell" so you don't have to take anything apart. Makes a great sensor panel or whatever really. Play little videos on it, put your real time stock changes on it or whatever.
hollow leaf
Can you do that using WiFi and no cable?
You'll want to use a cable to keep it charged.
Otherwise you don't NEED one for it to work.
I was using my old s7 as my sensor panel, but I found that getting an actual display and paying for aida64 worked much better.
craggy mirage
Looks like something out of StarTrek. If he mounted it in the case, I hope he removed the battery. Under constant charge, some batteries get severely hot.
hollow leaf
Looks like something out of StarTrek. If he mounted it in the case, I hope he re...
True, but if you have old phones you no longer use for anything, then it's whatever. They are just going to sit there anyway. Like I said though.. I found an actual display was better anyways.
You can fully customize the way it looks. There is really no end to what you can make it look like.
hollow leaf
For example.. my Moon Knight themed sensor panel
No one else has this theme. I made it myself.
craggy mirage
I saw a few years back, someone turned an old Atari 2600 into a handheld device, using an old Nokia smartphone.
hollow leaf
Yep. Lots of things you can do with technology lol.
The only thing about having your own sensor panel.. it costs $50 a year since Aida64 is the only software able to do it atm and it's a feature included only in the paid version. To myself, it's worth it.
Unless you are a super knowledgeable coder that can make your own program, but that would most likely be way more effort than just dishing out the measly $50 at that point.
craggy mirage
I used to do down to component repair on all types of systems. Lost count on PSX people broke trying to mod them. Can't even fix new machines due to my sight and the size is so small, it would cost me a fortune to replace all my equipment.
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I'm sure they have a lifetime fee.
craggy mirage
I'm definitely looking into that once I'm done with my new build. Just got update, last 2 parts come Friday.
Ram today, NVME Friday.
hollow leaf
The year license is good for up to 3 pc's btw
craggy mirage
Can the PCs be changed out?
hollow leaf
I am not sure. I bet if you contacted CS they would be able to transfer it somehow.
craggy mirage
Trend micro has a 3 PC limit, but can swap out in case of upgrade.
hollow leaf
Can the PCs be changed out?
Found some info.
- You don't need to deactivate your license. Just take the PKEY.TXT file that holds your license information, back it up and restore it on your new system/SSD. You can also transfer your existing AIDA64 settings (incl. your LCD layout) by backing up the file called AIDA64.INI. You can find both files in your AIDA64 installation folder.
craggy mirage
Oh, do you need to use a rooted device?
hollow leaf
Oh, do you need to use a rooted device?
No.
hollow leaf
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I'm sure they have a lifetime fee.
They do offer a 2 year license where the first year is full price and the 2nd year is 50% off.
hollow leaf
Oh, do you need to use a rooted device?
Aida64 is on your pc. You'll use a different program on your android device to emulate the screen. Doesn't require root, just network access. If you use an actual display (whether it be a normal monitor or raspberry pi panel) it's just a borderless window that you set the dimensions of.
stray trench
is 650w enough for a 3060 ti + i712700f?
a guy told me ill need at least a 750w 🤨
blissful thistle
is 650w enough for a 3060 ti + i712700f?
a guy told me ill need at least a 750w...
yes, but if you're gaming i wouldnt pair those
blissful thistle
yes
blissful thistle
oh u mean the 3060 and the 12700?
what's your total budget for the build and what have you bought?
stray trench
its my friend's build and he already bought everything, just wanna double check
craggy mirage
That's why I always buy the advanced parts, like 12th gen I9 and Z690 with NVME and Windows pro it gives me plenty of room for expansion and I don't end up a year later, regretting saving a few dollars that results in something new getting added not being compatible. Years back, it used to be frustrating buying a low priced system, then only a few months later, an update hitting, making me need a new graphics card or more ram. Now a days it seems to only happen after about 6 to 8 years.
I got new licenses this time, since my kids will be going to college, and all my windows licenses are basically technet, which is discontinued, but still monitored that a simple laptop running out of state one vacation caused hell when they suspended the license until I showed the device was in fact mine.
Builders licenses with DVD at $36 average for pro isn't that bad.
They say they are version 10, but unlock 11 now.
Just don't accidentally boot a new system with the USB drive still connected or it can cause registering to fail
stray trench
whats the model of psu?
nzxt C650 Gold
blissful thistle
fine psu
stray trench
so we good?
stray trench
alrighty, thanks
bleak holly
"Raspberry Pi" monitors generally come without a "shell" so you don't have to ta...
Thanks, I think I'll look into a couple of them then.
bleak holly
What are some really unique cases with massive radiator support for custom loops?
sand atlas
Depends what you mean by unique, do you have some idea or examples?
I mean if you just want massive radiators the fractal torrent can support a monsta dual 180mm and a 360mm at the same time
bleak holly
I mean like not just another plain old box. Maybe add some grooves into it, and curves or something.
Cougar Gemini X for example.
it retains a pc case feel while having this unique feel to it.
bleak holly
Mhmmm. Does it have support for 2x D5 pump?
craggy mirage
Checking out the sale prices on the PSU, and find it ironic that the seller who had his fake Gamax PSUs yanked 3 different times, got them listed again, but this time left out the Gamax name
bleak holly
Let me double check the price of the haf 700.
Nvm.
Haf 700 is out of the question.
Amazon wants 2,000 US dollars to ship it.
Another seller on Amazon is charging 50% more then the case costs + 440$ shipping.
upbeat dew
just get across the border, buy it and return to mexico xD
sand atlas
You'll be hard pressed to find a case that meets your desired specs in Mexico
And no one said to fly
bleak holly
You'll be hard pressed to find a case that meets your desired specs in Mexico
Unfortunately I am beginning to realize that.
bleak holly
And no one said to fly
Tourists aren't allowed to rent/buy a car here and with gas prices being as high as they are, a plane would cost less if not same.
....
Why must MX treat me like this....
sand atlas
As far as tech Mexico seems like a third world country, always at least one gen behind and if you do find the latest stuff it's ridiculously inflated
It's like that in a lot of countries in Europe too, like Greece
bleak holly
ooof.
bleak holly
I need some help.
So newegg turned out to be my savior.
Newegg I can buy and have the Haf 700 Evo shipped for $900.
However I wanted to know if both the torrent and Evo are capable of dual loops for the future?
Trying to decide which is better for future proofing.
As I plan to once I am back in ShangHai put both the I9-13900K and RTX 4090 into their own loop.
past harbor
The monsta 180 probably good for the i9. 50% more width than a normal 120 for instance.
bleak holly
The Torrent case costed $678 compared to the $980 Haf Evo.
Shipping included on both.
bleak holly
The monsta 180 probably good for the i9. 50% more width than a normal 120 for in...
Is this in reference to the Haf 700?
?
upbeat dew
just look at specs on google
easier than asking us about that
because you force us to look at google as well xD
past harbor
You were only comparing 2 cases. My no emote answered you perfectly
bleak holly
Hmmm. man I hate MX shipping costs. That's the biggest lesson I've learned these past couple weeks.
upbeat dew
you want to mount like 4 rads and 10 pumps on a case, dunno why
well you need to start looking for alternatives instead of hating your place xD
bleak holly
Yes yes.
upbeat dew
i mean, here on Ecuador we are heavily behind, like 2 gen behind
so i ship everything from miami using a courier
bleak holly
i mean, here on Ecuador we are heavily behind, like 2 gen behind
The mobos and cpus I saw at the tech store were all between 4-6ths gen.
upbeat dew
not cheap i know... but its better than 2 gens behind
and cheaper than the local market
bleak holly
Are the couriers expensive or take long to deliver?
upbeat dew
couriers are not the problem, the tax at customs is... we have a lot of tax regarding imports
but i have some wink wink methods to get my things inside 🙂
bleak holly
Interesting you bring up tax. MX want's like a $200 tax on a $600 case.
upbeat dew
last shipment was for 550usd.... had to pay 50 bucks in shipping to my country 😄
sadly cant ship things that heavy like cases, and cant ship monitors either
😦 had to pay almost 600usd for a 1440p 144hz here
upbeat dew
i have a budget for 2k usd for my next pc and im expecting 200 extra on shipping only... a bargain indeed
bleak holly
Yes indeed.
upbeat dew
but i digress
you need to look for alternatives on your predicament
just 3d print your own pc 😛
bleak holly
You know what. I just made up my mind I think.
sand atlas
Cardboard boxes are still an option, and milk crates, for the short term. You'd need to tear it down to rebuild the loop once the new parts come out anyway.
bleak holly
I will get the Torrent and once I'm back in China I will either get a different case or make my own custom one. Like a Desk PC or have one machined.
sand atlas
If you're looking for "unique" you really could consider 3D printing a case
bleak holly
Yeah.
Oh, 3D printing.
I was thinking of modelling the panels needed and have a factory machine out the different metal panels to form the case.
bleak holly
If you're looking for "unique" you really could consider 3D printing a case
Are there companies that will print my model?
My biggest concern is structural integrity when it comes to 3D printing.
Especially if it's gonna hold like 40kg of weight.
sand atlas
Sure, tons of people will do it. And the models are designed to be sturdy. They use high quality plastics.
It won't be cheap but it would probably be cheaper than $800
bleak holly
Hmm interesting. I think I will probably do that then once I am back in China and use the Fractal case till then.
Then I can hand down Fractal case to my brother along with my current pc once I get a new case 3D printed.
upbeat dew
if you are not that hard pressed to get a pc now just wait until your return to china to start building your pc
as far as i remember you have a 3070
just stick with what you have and wait to be in china
maybe you get better cases there instead of mexico
sand atlas
China has a HUGE used market right now after the crypto ban
bleak holly
if you are not that hard pressed to get a pc now just wait until your return to ...
That's gonna be a while. I won't be out of Mexico until around 6-8 months from now.
upbeat dew
with china on sight
bleak holly
China has a HUGE used market right now after the crypto ban
I know.....
I was there when they did that.
upbeat dew
meh 6-8 months on a relative modern pc is easy
you can even get better prices or even 14th gen by then
bleak holly
I found fully functional 30 series GPUs for 50% of MSRP.
upbeat dew
and meteor lake will be a huuuuuge improvement over raptor lake
raptor lake is basically an upgraded alder lake
meteor is a whole new architecture
bleak holly
That's a little to long of a wait for me tbh..... I will probably just get Meteor once that's out and hand down my Raptor Lake to my brother.
upbeat dew
if you are goin to china in 8 months and you have a modern cpu now then wait
mexico prices will hurt your wallet a lot
sand atlas
raptor lake is basically an upgraded alder lake
Some of the new CPUs aren't even upgrades, just rebranded 12th gen
upbeat dew
That's a little to long of a wait for me tbh..... I will probably just get Mete...
which pc you own right now? a 5000x? a 9-10th gen?
bleak holly
I will save and not get like the best case there is so like a fractal or something for now then get a new one come probably when meteor lake is out and I'm back in China.
bleak holly
which pc you own right now? a 5000x? a 9-10th gen?
I7-10700f+3070 XC3 Ultra.
sand atlas
"Not getting the best case" and "getting a fractal torrent" doesn't really go together in the same sentence
The torrent is consistently near the top of every chart for a full tower
upbeat dew
you can keep using that pc now, and leave it on mexico while you travel to china to build your 14th gen there
you can buy your 4090 now
and use it on your 10th gen
no need for fancy case or fancy water loop while on mexico
bleak holly
While I'm in Mexico, I will simply be using an AIO.
Not doing any crazy loops or etc.
upbeat dew
and a cheap case
no need for a fancy big one
get a liquid freezer 360 or a ls720
and call it a day
bleak holly
Picked out the 420mm. Costs about the same after shipping to MX.
Like a $20 difference.
upbeat dew
the bad thing about 420s is that it limits you to bigger cases (and probably a lot are expensives)
thats why 360s are golden
bleak holly
the bad thing about 420s is that it limits you to bigger cases (and probably a l...
That's where shipping becomes a pain in the ass....
After shipping most cases cost about the same (top 10 cases).
upbeat dew
and here i am, happy with my 5000x
bleak holly
Gonna be a long while but hopefully in the next 3-4 years I will have enough GPUs/CPUs to make for a good showcase shelf in my office.
upbeat dew
thats quite an expensive hobby but if it makes you happy....
bleak holly
G0d, if anything I wish case fans were less expensive.
$400 of my build is going into 6 case fans....
and the Arctic P14s don't cost much less.
upbeat dew
wut?
bleak holly
Yep.
upbeat dew
70 bucks for each fan?
bleak holly
YEP.
upbeat dew
wt h bro
bleak holly
Ask Mexico.
upbeat dew
which ones?
upbeat dew
wut?
p14s costs like 15 bucks each
not 70
man, build your pc on china
i dont see the point of wasting so much money on mexico
w/e its your money anyway, my apologies
bleak holly
Good news. The P14s dropped in price.
I can get 3 pack for $125.
Instead of 190 like before.
Hmmm.
P14s have a CFM of 70 whereas the Prisma Al140s have a CFM of 108.
Which do I go for?
Same static pressure (well 0.1 difference).
serene siren
P14's by far if they're cheaper
lofty pewter
Different companies measure CFM in a different manner. So cant crosscompare stuff like that
upbeat dew
not stupid, every company have their own metodology, much like the TDP measurements for cpu coolers
bleak holly
how do you figure out which has a better cfm if they all use a different method.
upbeat dew
looking at reviews
bleak holly
.....
upbeat dew
there is a lot of reviews about almost everything these days, with a lot of testing involved
bleak holly
Well I guess I'll go P14 since it'll save me $100.
Can the P14s be used in the Fractal Torrent's built in fan hub?
upbeat dew
serene siren
that's stupid.
I did mention this when we talked about fans last lol. Not in the same way tho
upbeat dew
well apex have almost a month talking back and forth about aios and custom loops as well xD maybe thats why that look like a dejavu to you 😛
bleak holly
It's only been 10 days but okay....
upbeat dew
he still cant decide 😛
bleak holly
I'm just gonna go with the P14s.
Now in the cart.
But I am curious.
Would the P14s work on the Fractal Torrent's fan hub?
upbeat dew
not sure
but if you are buying the 3-pack those can be daisy-chained together
and you can plug them on one header anyway
bleak holly
Kk.
How much is to many in terms of daisy chaining?
Like per header.
Because I'm assuming putting all 7 on one header would be a bad idea.
upbeat dew
well, like 5
6 seems too much as well
those fans are like 0.2 amps per fan and the headers can supply 1 amp
better 4 max to be on the safe side
serene siren
you could also get like, a cooler master fan hub if it doesn't work with the torrent one
the cooler master one is good, I have a rebranded EK version
upbeat dew
in fact according to the artic webpage those fans consume 0.12amps at max speed, you can safely daisy chain like 7 on the same header
upbeat dew
you monsta
past harbor
Pro tip: that doesn't factor in starting current (maybe). 3 or 4 is partly a common statement to include such higher amp fans as Phanteks.
upbeat dew
so 4 max to be safe?
past harbor
That's pretty solid. Even my z77 has 4 headers so I'm set. 
serene siren
I'm on a UX so I'd expect my fan headers to be pretty strong
lunar root
I forgot this existed
upbeat dew
you did good kenzie
knotty mesa
Mhm
lunar root
Stop linking my favorite case.
normal shadow
Using a drive cage with the 5000x is actually frustrating
normal shadow
😭I might need to just get cable mod cables that are psu specific
But I can’t justify $70 cables when I already have $30 extensions
bleak holly
But I can’t justify $70 cables when I already have $30 extensions
Quality of life stuff.
Good to have, not needed.
serene siren
It's been shown here before but just an extra PSA about the new 12VHPWR cables:
serene siren
Ya it's been shown here before, I even posted it lol, but good to share again
gloomy aspen
anyone know a good budget case for around 70 cad?
blissful thistle
Mx330 is $60, could use more fans tho
upbeat dew
didnt saw it at canada pcpp, but yes you are right, i will note that one for future reference 🙂
craggy mirage
Looked at the pin and a lot aren't even in stock, so instead of GaneMax RGB, what are the feelings towards this for my I9 Z690 Aorus Master system
Check this out on @Newegg: MSI MPG A1000G 1000 W ATX12V 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply https://www.newegg.com/msi-mpg-a1000gf-1000-w/p/N82E16817701014?Item=N82E16817701014&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-17-701-014-_-09182022
And yes I know it's not RGB
upbeat dew
nice to see that you leave those gamemax psus behind
craggy mirage
Check this out on @Newegg: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G6, 80 Plus Gold 1000W, Fully Modular, Eco Mode with FDB Fan, 10 Year Warranty, Includes Power ON Self Tester, Compact 140mm Size, Power Supply 220-G6-1000-X1 https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-1000-g6-220-g6-1000-x1-1000w/p/N82E16817438215?Item=N82E16817438215&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-17-438-215-_-09182022
craggy mirage
I'm building my system tomorrow finally. Figure I not jinx it lol
upbeat dew
silent as a kitty
craggy mirage
Rofl, not a good comparison, since we own 4 cats, there definitely not silent.
upbeat dew
craggy mirage
His eyes reflect blood red when angry or excited.
upbeat dew
craggy mirage
He's a sweetheart unless someone is dumb enough to stick their arm in my daughter's window to open door so we found out a few years ago
Siamese and tabby mixture, hence the blue eyes.
Actually, had the flash on when my wife filmed that. Little bugger won't talk to me when I'm recording, hence the Michigan J Frog title
I got to find the really old one where he's knocking my son's wooden block tower over, and my son, about 4 back then, can hear him say "Snow Snow....Smash..."
craggy mirage
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Decisions decisions
sand atlas
I'd wait on high capacity until reviews for ATX 3.0 units are in
craggy mirage
I ended up ordering different model. One above gave prop 65 warning
Check this out on @Newegg: EVGA SuperNOVA 1600 P+, 80+ Platinum 1600W, Fully Modular, 10 Year Warranty, Includes FREE Power On Self Tester, Power Supply 220-PP-1600-X1 https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-1600-p-220-pp-1600-x1-1600-w/p/N82E16817438232?Item=N82E16817438232&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-17-438-232-_-09192022
This was what I went with . Missed your comment while I was looking at the 1600w model. Not that I need 1600w, but doesn't it only use the power my system needs or will this burn up 1600w regardless? My aim is to have a psu that let's say handles 850w of what my system burns, so if right now my devices only use 850w, the PSU will only burn 850w, not 1600w unless items in PC call for it.
Shakes Ravell awake
fierce pivot
This was what I went with . Missed your comment while I was looking at the 1600w...
Correct the psu will only use what is needed, power is pulled not pushed
bleak holly
that cat is possessed
No. Most cats Chirp. Like my kitty chirps 24/7 it's almost annoying.
What are your guy's thoughts on this.
Not gonna get it but was curious what you guys thought of it.
upbeat dew
its a desk
you buy a desk according to your tastes, i mean, if you like it then go ahead
what more can be said?
bleak holly
Desk with a PC compartment xD.
craggy mirage
If your buying a desk to support a glass case, and also your an avid game player, avoid ones made mostly of pressure board. They break down quite fast. The all glass case I got for myself my wife has owned one two years now, and earlier this year as planes took off or trains passed, the desk made rattling sounds. Figured maybe some screws got loose, but caught in time not loose, but actually breaking out of the pressure board in 3 corners. Replaced desk with a plywood top.
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Crazy question, but was thinking. Over two years period, I had three hard drives go bad, and all it was, was bad PCBs. One of the 3 I gutted from a Seagate external case to use internally, and discovered Seagate uses refurb drives in those enclosures. Left a repair sticker on PCB. Other two gateways fried. Is this one of the things GameMax PSU are known to cause?
fierce pivot
Pretty sure I've told you this before but they are trash psus so possibly
fierce pivot
@serene siren you live in deepcools basement, you seen any thermal reviews for ck650? Looks goood
serene siren
<@101107951401455616> you live in deepcools basement, you seen any thermal revie...
ck560? Yeah it's good
it comes with 4 fans as a 'mesh' that's kinda what stands out imo
cg560 too
fierce pivot
ck560? Yeah it's good
Yeah that one, nice just wondering how exactly it performs compared to like a g360a or something
I haven't seen the cg
fierce pivot
Interesting
raven chasm
Yoooooo
https://youtu.be/S35ZaYLktpE
Idk where to buy it if I live in the US but I need
serene siren
hyped
blissful thistle
I cant watch that rn, they give a release date?
serene siren
november iirc
raven chasm
surely before 40 series and 7000 series come out
upbeat dew
unlikely xD
raven chasm
That would be a big L if the power hungry gpus came out before the psus
raven chasm
yeah but there's probably going to be transient spikes, like with current gen
but we'll see
elfin trout
We really don't know
upbeat dew
we dont know anything about the power delivery on those cards
maybe they fixed the transients
elfin trout
Not only is it a new arch, they switched from Samsung 8nm to TSMC 5nm
raven chasm
I hope so
elfin trout
Who knows how it works
upbeat dew
yup, tomorrow will be the great day
raven chasm
yes
elfin trout
It could be better but it could be worse too, we'll have to see when they actually come out
upbeat dew
when the embargo lift
craggy mirage
Not that I'm not taking your word for it, I trust it when majority says something is bad, just that I'm borrowing my neighbors oscilloscope that can print data so I have the right info to show Amazon why their taking back 4 Gamax PSUs.
The hard drives that died, two SATA Segate on my son's system and a SSD, all died when powering up from cold state. The Seagate that died on my system, brand new sata, also died upon cold state start up. I'm curious to know if anyone else who had things die with Gamax psu, happen while PSU was already running, or from cold boot up
bleak holly
Out of curiosity.
How massive of a bottleneck would it be if I used the 4090 with my current Iu-10700f?
Just until I get the 13900k.
bleak holly
Any updates on ATX 3.0 PSUs?
bleak holly
My blood is about to boil into vapor....
bleak holly
I won't be able to experience Cyber Psychosis unless I implant more tech in me soon!
craggy mirage
We did a check on my son's power supply. There is a very very quick 20 volt power Spike on the sata line from cold start up. My meter didn't detect it, as it was too fast, but the oscilloscope did.
I'm reading up now on the computer molex connections, to see what they are supposed to be. Well test those tomorrow.
God, I now need to buy 3 more PSU's 😦
craggy mirage
PSU tracking changed to tomorrow¡!!!!!!!!!!!!
twin fog
IS MSI MAG FORGE 100R GOOD?
tulip granite
Haha I have an MSI mag