cpus-mobo-and-memory

[grizzled bloom]

Just like how they tried to make it so 9th gen couldn't run on 200 series chipset

Even though it's literally the same socket

Intel doing Intel things

[hollow thorn]

People call it 1151v1 and 1151v2

[frosty depot]

Alright. Thanks for the info. I was thinking of what upgradeable there was for the mobo, but it isn't needed.

Wish it had rgb though..

I was actually thinking though... if I have a controller that can control the rgb and is hooked through sata... do I even need to hook it up to the mobo to get color output?

[hollow thorn]

You need Mobo for software control

[grizzled bloom]

Most separate controllers will have a remote for basic function

[frosty depot]

Its just gonna be a static green color.

They are my 3 argb fans with slight defect in the leds.. but work perfect as solid color.

[grizzled bloom]

Sure, basic remote can do that

[hollow thorn]

If it has one

[frosty depot]

Alroght cool then.

It has a button on the controller that switches through like 20ndifferent color options

[grizzled bloom]

I'm checking to see if there's modded bios available for that board already

[frosty depot]

Alright cool

[grizzled bloom]

Nope can't find one that's already modded. So you'd have to run the tool to mod it.
Also I really wouldn't put anything higher than a 400 tier processor on that board, like a 7400 or 9400 after modding.

[frosty depot]

I appreciate you taking the time to look. I believe the 6500 in it now will be more than enough for light Diablo 3 gameplay. I was just wondering how much upgradeability there was just in case the use case became more.

[grizzled bloom]

With a bit of effort you could upgrade it but it also costs as much to just get a 12100f and B610

[frosty depot]

Ah ok. Maybe in my pc world traveling if I come across a super good deal on a 7-9th gen ill nab one.. otherwise I'll just leave it as is. Seems pretty solid so far tbh.

Will probably be even better after a thorough cleaning and a repaste.

[vernal cosmos]

falcie go sleep smh

[frosty depot]

If you were here to help then he'd be able to. ;)

<3

[grizzled bloom]

Keep in mind, the price of tech is a U shaped curve.
Your initial MSRP starts at the top.
Price goes down for a couple gens.
Then it rises as stock becomes scarce.

[grizzled bloom]

Ok dad geez

[vernal cosmos]

yes good

[frosty depot]

Oh ok. So the 12100f/ board combo will end up going up in price then.

And I'll not expect the 9400 to go down..

[grizzled bloom]

12100 will go down first. Probably bottom out with 14th gen.

[frosty depot]

Ah ok

Soo then.. thats good to know I may just stick with my 12600k until the 13900k tanks... yeah?

[vernal cosmos]

h610?

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-whoah-gif-14206432

[vernal cosmos]

pato go touch grass smnh

[vast meadow]

Well the 13900k won't tank til it's irrelevant tbh

[frosty depot]

Ok. I'm not gonna lie.. I am mad at rawr for changing his name.

[vernal cosmos]

It was time

[vast meadow]

But i touched grass yesterday

[vernal cosmos]

it had been rawr too long

[frosty depot]

But.. did our convo about our names mean nothing to you?

[vast meadow]

The flagships always retain their value a bit better then the rest as well btw

[vernal cosmos]

did u ask for conent first

[frosty depot]

I've had the same handle for so long..

[vernal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-nope-no-i-dont-think-so-jack-black-gif-14341669

[vast meadow]

Yes i asked it for some LTT vids

[frosty depot]

Makes sense.

[vernal cosmos]

i dont think thats consent

[frosty depot]

I thought there was something between us.. I guess not. I'll just pack my things..

[vernal cosmos]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/763959811397910528.webp?size=64

[vast meadow]

You said content

[vernal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-joker-toodles-see-ya-bye-gif-22097308

[frosty depot]

Oof

[vast meadow]

I also asked for consent

[vernal cosmos]

no i didnt

read again

n3rd

[frosty depot]

He said conent tbh

[vernal cosmos]

yeh

[vast meadow]

Whatever

I read content

[vernal cosmos]

samsung stole the s to make a phone

[vast meadow]

Lol

[vernal cosmos]

crap forgor lunch

[vast meadow]

Amung phone be like

[vernal cosmos]

LOL

[vast meadow]

Controller cool but WAD better

[vernal cosmos]

Bro I love wad

[vast meadow]

Same

[vernal cosmos]

Look at my gaming keyboard

@vast meadow

[frosty depot]

F... I mean S....

And.. clean your keeb you weeb.

[vernal cosmos]

cant be asked

too much effort

[frosty depot]

Lol because blasting it with a can of air every couple days is hard..

[vernal cosmos]

cans of air is not a thing here

[frosty depot]

Oh?

I forget you are not here.

[vernal cosmos]

i have to bring out my vaccum cleaner to clean every time

and i cant be asked

[frosty depot]

Thats crazy

[vast meadow]

heeee h

[vernal cosmos]

i will be cleaning today tho

like all my pcs

[vast meadow]

I think you mean assed

[vernal cosmos]

that too'

[vast meadow]

Rawr gpu tomorrow?

[vernal cosmos]

yeah

tomorrow night

[vast meadow]

Pogr

[vernal cosmos]

so ill gamor on new gpu tomorrow

with u

[vast meadow]

Owo

Omg we can play maur der toten again in zombees

[vernal cosmos]

I gotta get parents and my pc clean in preperation for card stuff

[vernal cosmos]

omg and standoff map

no more 30fps there

Dusty bois

[vast meadow]

Pogger

Jesus

@vernal cosmos quick tip, when hoovering your room just clean your mesh filtera with it

Helps with the build up

[vernal cosmos]

i dont hoover my room

we no have carpets

[vast meadow]

So? I have hard wood floor still hoover room

Hoover your room instead of sweep it then

You'll have cleaner room anyway

[vernal cosmos]

Yes but we also have a roomba that does that regularly

[vast meadow]

But clean the dust off yo filter it helps a lot from getting into pc

[vernal cosmos]

I will

[vast meadow]

Less overall awkward maintenance

Good teckie

Now fetch me coffee

[vernal cosmos]

Rn im running pc sidepannel off

[vast meadow]

Bruh dust city

[vernal cosmos]

But i usually clean every 2 weeks

[vast meadow]

Effort

Bro if you're running side panel off see if you can buy one of those insect things for Windows and put it as a side panel

[vernal cosmos]

Ehh i just have to take pc outta the house and put my vaccum cleaner in blower mode

[vast meadow]

Your hoover has a blower mode?

That's cool

[vernal cosmos]

yeah 1 sec lemme sho

[vernal cosmos]

Vaccum mode

Blower mode

[vast meadow]

Very pog that's not a thing here or at least a common one

[cerulean wadi]

R2d2 vac, haha. Yea very common in usa at least. Funny the normal setup just a connector on each side instead of 1 on top like that. We have many copies of a "shop vac". here saying shop vac is like "hand me a Kleenex" (tisssue). -- You mentioned window screen as side cover & I wish case fronts was basically just that instead of various levels of restrictive plastic

[vast meadow]

The red just reminds me of henry the hoover

[cerulean wadi]

Indeed. Hoover was pretty big in usa also for the home stand up vacs.

[vast meadow]

Not talking about the brand hoover that's just what we call vacuum cleaners

Haven't seen a hoover by the brand in person ever

But Henry the hoover

Henry the hoover is actually owned by numatic international

[cerulean wadi]

Right, Hoover is from Ohio & 114 yrs old. That "Henry" from Britain is probably why dont think I've seen one, but of course there's ones like it. Can't always use a 5+ gal (20L) one like in my garage.

[vast meadow]

Henry isn't a very good hoover but cheap and a meme tbh

Most people who have the money for it get a Dyson

Those dyson stick Hoover's are

[frosty depot]

But dirty keeb?

[cerulean wadi]

Also 🧢

[vernal cosmos]

i did say usually

last time i cleaned pc was like 4-5 months

[frosty depot]

Jeeze

I'm about to clean this crazy nasty dusty pc

I'm totally gonna do a before/after

Its horrible

I don't think its been cleaned in over a year

[frosty depot]

Front fan filter lol

[vast meadow]

Jesus

Caked

[burnt spear]

wtf

[frosty depot]

@vast meadow this means it wasn't tightened down enough right?

[vast meadow]

uhh prolly not

[vernal cosmos]

it looks mounted wron g not just low pressure

[vast meadow]

Cooler should not be moving with plate or something

[frosty depot]

yeah everything on it was loose as heck. so I def think it was mounted wrong. it's almost like everything was just screwed in just enough.. Mobo/cooler/fans/psu

it was all loose

[naive pendant]

apparently my x79 WS board doesnt support buffered dimms, but the "gaming" x79 board does 🤡

such a dumb design flaw, unless it's because asus had some higher-end boards they wanted people to buy at the time or whatever

[peak sail]

Meanwhile I am terrified of my 5800X3D temps under a 240mm AIO

[burnt spear]

i would be too

[peak sail]

I guess I'll stress in a Cinebench

Maybe I worry too much, it will hold outfor three weeks until I get the new case and AIO

[naive pendant]

anyone know some decent ram I can buy for under 120$

no rgb is preferred

I would like 32 gb but I dont think that will happen with my budget

[dull flint]

for 120 usd you can get silicon power 32gb for $100

there's a couple others at that price as well

3200 c16

[naive pendant]

how good is that compared to something like corsair vengence 2x8 gb 3200 cl16 ram?

[dull flint]

definitely better than vengeance

[naive pendant]

ok thanks for the help!

[dull flint]

np 👍

[cursive epoch]

that one has no rgb i believe

silicon power ones

[trim crane]

does anyone know if 4000 mhz c18 is better than 3600 c16?

[vernal cosmos]

depends

[vagrant dagger]

If you want rgb I'd also recommend oloy warhawk I love this ram 100% better than corsair with rgb

[vagrant dagger]

OLOy DDR4 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) Warhawk Aura Sync RGB 3200 MHz CL16 1.35V 288-Pin Desktop Gaming UDIMM (MD4U1632161DE0DA) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089VZ97YV/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_2M8X1BWKN6CDJ529FWXX

[cursive epoch]

It's out of stock

lol

[placid lake]

Got a Ryzen 5 3600X, want to upgrade to something stronger as far as VR Goes. Got s 3060TI and 32gb of ram, so I should be good on that front. I've got my eyes set on a Ryzen 7 5800x
Two questions.
1. Cooling upgrade.
Currently I've got some CM Box cooler. It blocks DIMMS and would probably be a better idea to upgrade the cooling to an AiO. I've got my teeth snared at an Arctic Liquid Freezer II. I've got a fractal design Meshify C, I'd like to mount the radiator frontwards, but that's where my intake is. Would it be a big issue as far as GPU/RAM/internal temps go if I were running my cold air in over the radiator for the CPU, then through the case and out the back?
2. How big of an upgrade is it?
My workloads are usually single threaded, or if they're multi-threaded they're pretty performance intensive. How much of an improvement should I expect?

[cerulean wadi]

Only in certain tasks that really want that extra bandwidth from 4000, but generally it's very close and 3600c16 does have lower actual latency.

[vast meadow]

Btw cinebench is a benchmark not a stress test and also nzxt sucks and gives inaccurate readings use hwinfo64 or at least hw monitor

[frosty depot]

Huh, I guess I thought that it running cpu at 100% was a stress test. What should I use to stress test?

[vast meadow]

Well yes but no, stress test imo implies at least ~30 mins and even at 100% some workloads are tougher than others especially in heat gen e.g. cinebench multi core and p95 small fft will both max to 100% but will pull more power and get hotter

[frosty depot]

So are you saying run both at same time?

Now you got me questioning my oc.

[vast meadow]

Nono just one is fine, for heat p95 small ffts, for stability p95 blend/occt - can't remember the config you'll want

[frosty depot]

Ok. I'll check out that program when I get home.

I'm so gonna dislike you if my oc isn't stable with those lol

[vast meadow]

Lol

[frosty depot]

Jk. I couldn't dislike you

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/that-what-a-simp-would-say-pewdiepie-simp-gif-20150978

[frosty depot]

Nah, I'm just a

[burnt spear]

32gb 3200c16 very easy for $100

[burnt spear]

5700x would be a better idea

It's like 2% worse than a 5800x and much easier to cool

[placid lake]

It's not much cheaper out here though

And the TDP is still considerable either way

But I saw a lot more people be happier with the 57

[burnt spear]

Because it has essentially thr same perf as a 5800x and is a much cooler cpu

5800x almost requires an aio, or a very good heatsink like the ak620

Whereas the 5700x is fine with a $30 heatsink

(Without ocing)

If you're ocing the 5800x you definitely need a 280mm aio

[placid lake]

Ooooh

I've got a hyper 212

Only reason I'd go for an AiO is silence and opening up my other two DIMMs for dual channel

That is if the 5700x is as easy as you say to cool

[vast meadow]

It's not hyper 212 easy to cool it's like 240mm/high end air cooler easy

[placid lake]

So an AiO is still a good idea

[vast meadow]

Whereas 5800x still gets v hot with one of the best 360mm aios

[placid lake]

Even with my cold ambients

[vast meadow]

Yes

[placid lake]

As in I still should get the Arctic Liquid Freezer II

Also my issue with airflow?

[burnt spear]

Hyper 212 should be fine with a 5700x stock

[placid lake]

stock

I still run a minimal oc through the automatic bios utility

[burnt spear]

Clc 280 is $62 atm

Can buy that and replace the fans with p14s

[placid lake]

whot

[burnt spear]

?

[placid lake]

Me no understando

[burnt spear]

Clc 280 is an aio

[placid lake]

Ah

[burnt spear]

The fans on it are meh

You can replace the fans in it with p14s so it's quieter and will run a few degrees cooler

[placid lake]

I've heard the Arctic Liquid Freezer II is an excellent AiO

[burnt spear]

It is

Bit expensive compared to the clc 280 tho

[placid lake]

It also should be overkill

[burnt spear]

If money isn't an issue tho lf2 works great

[placid lake]

And should have good fans

Also, what about the airflow issue

[burnt spear]

What airflow issue

[placid lake]

My first question?

[burnt spear]

It would not be an issue

[placid lake]

Even though I'd be passing air inside the case through the radiator?

[burnt spear]

That actually improves airflow, assuming you're not taking out other fans to fit the aio

[placid lake]

The ammount of fans would be the same, and it's an airy case

[burnt spear]

Then similar Temps to current

[placid lake]

I can fit a 360mm radiator in the front

[frosty depot]

The i5 6500 is a hyper 212 easy to cool:P

Well... I did put an arctic p12 on there instead of whatever wierd fan it had.

[naive pendant]

@frosty depot were you the one who helped me pick out my motherboard

[frosty depot]

I do not think so.

[naive pendant]

ok sorry for @-ing you

[empty phoenix]

Id cooling sse224

[frosty depot]

It's ok. I don't mind.

[burnt spear]

they already have the hyper212

[empty phoenix]

Oh

Nvm then

[vast meadow]

Nooo it would not especially the h212 non black, the og one is even worse

[vast meadow]

Ya lol

[burnt spear]

Isn't 5700x nearly as cool as the 5600x?

[vast meadow]

Not that good

[naive pendant]

replacing it isnt really worth it lol

the fans perform fine, they're just relatively loud

[frosty depot]

What motherboard did you get help picking out?

[naive pendant]

That’s what I’m trying to figure out that’s why I’m asking who helped me because I forgot

[frosty depot]

Oh, ok. Do you know what CPU you want?

[naive pendant]

Ryzen 7 5800x

[finite elm]

Thats a spicy meatball

and by spicy I mean hot

and by meatball I mean CPU

[bronze pebble]

is ryzen 5000 G-series any good?

[burnt spear]

depends on what youre building

if youre using a gpu, no theyre not

if youre running an igpu build, theyre good

[bronze pebble]

They are terrible with dedicated gpus?

[burnt spear]

did you buy a pre built or something with one?

if so, its fine

but if youre making a build, its pointless to buy one

[finite elm]

I wanna put a Ryzen 6000 PC in an Xbox 360 case

[burnt spear]

a 5600g has the same performance as a 3600, while costing similar to a 5600

while the 5600 is a good bit better

the apus are worse than their non apu counterparts

[finite elm]

5600g also loses PCIE gen 4 doesn't it^

[bronze pebble]

nah. I have have not bought anything yet. I wanted to know the difference between the G-series and X-serues

[burnt spear]

might, not sure

[finite elm]

Pretty sure it does.

[burnt spear]

well then, i would go for 12th gen intel

its better price/perf than amd at the moment

12400 has the same perf as a 5600 (like 2% better) and is cheaper

[finite elm]

yea 5000g loses PCIE 4.0

[burnt spear]

same with 12600k and 5700x/5800x, and 12700f/kf and 5900x

[finite elm]

Baka, what happened to your 6800 XT?

[bronze pebble]

ah okay. I see.

[burnt spear]

i didn't like amd ocing, and it needed a repad

and im not confident in repadding a card

also it had issues with valorant

would randomly glitch out and freeze, and yes i did ddu

[finite elm]

oh mail it to me. I take. no selling, but you can send it as a present. /s

[burnt spear]

lol

went back to my 3060 ti and sold it for basically what i paid

lost like $15 in ebay fees or smthn

[finite elm]

Nice

[burnt spear]

whats your budget for the whole build?

and where do you live?

[bronze pebble]

I am capping it at around $2k. and I live in Louisiana.

[burnt spear]

kk cool

was more so asking country but that answers the question lmao

do you plan to oc the cpu at all?

oc is overclock

and do you want wifi/bluetooth included in the mobo

[bronze pebble]

possibly, but I am mainly looking at standard performance and prices

[burnt spear]

kk

[bronze pebble]

and yes, wifi mainly on mobo

[finite elm]

Ah, the Louisiana province of France?

just messin with Baka ^

so they'd rethink

[burnt spear]

top, you think its worth including a 1000w g6 over an 850 d.f for $20 more?

[finite elm]

I dunno.

[burnt spear]

id do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DNCW9r

[finite elm]

I only have Superflower Leadex PSU's

[burnt spear]

theyre both A tiers

just a matter of the extra 150w, wont be an issue for this build but leaves room to upgrade

[burnt spear]

if you currently have a pc, i would wait before building if possible. Nvidia is supposed to be launching new gpus in july

[finite elm]

TBH I'd always go above what you think

[burnt spear]

i mean, the build can function on a 750w perfectly fine

[finite elm]

I have my gaming PC on a 850w and my workstation on a 1000W

[bronze pebble]

No. I just have a laptop. I have been wanting to get a desktop, though.

[burnt spear]

personally, i would wait but its up to you

[bronze pebble]

yeah, I only have the PC case. nothing else yet.

[burnt spear]

oh, what case?

[bronze pebble]

Phanteks Enthoo Pro

[burnt spear]

doesnt look like a great case

it has the half mesh front, but if possible id return it

[bronze pebble]

there is a decent pc case where I can still use a cd-rom drive? I know it is getting rare these days, but I am still holding onto discs I am still currently using.

[burnt spear]

Ahh, alright

Then it might be one or the better options, im not sure

That'll be a question for someone else

[bronze pebble]

ah okay. It's okay. Thanks for the tips, though.

[grizzled bloom]

Tell me "you'll never get the CPU" without telling me https://www.ebay.com/itm/294979957346

[main pulsar]

all the red flags on this one

[cursive epoch]

sus

[naive pendant]

sussy cpu

[warm bolt]

So something I maybe just realized. I have a 12th gen cpu running at i think about 4800mhz. But my ram is 4000 mhz ram. Would that create an issue and is that why 12th was created with the new ram in mind? Is it supposed to match between those two hardwares?

[grizzled bloom]

No, ram speed is totally independent of core clock speed. The only time ram should be synced up with anything is with Ryzen and the infinity fabric.

[reef schooner]

Will the IMC of my CPU (Zen - 1600) give random errors if it can't handle the memory the system is using? I'm completely confused as just earlier my PC is glitching as hell and I thought my GPU is dying even though it seems to work just fine for years without OC and adequate cooling. Now it can't read the other stick of my RAM and currently stuck at 2133mhz compared on its usual 3200mhz and using full 16gb

Still unstable for some reason but now, it doesn't crashes or going BSODs just like earlier when it gives Kernel-Power error 41 on Event Viewer as well as WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR on BSODs

[vast meadow]

Yes, ryzen 1000 can't do 3200mhz ram, you might be able to do 3000mhz with xmp instead if not try 2933 then if not 2667

Also run this to try fix any errors from the unstable ram
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Windows-Troubleshooting-Utilities/releases/download/v12/Windows.Utilities.and.Fixes.V13.bat

[reef schooner]

I guess I'll do those later, I have to rush stuff and now I'm late because of this xD

This is the third RAM set I'm using for this system, I guess it is the CPU then.

[reef schooner]

Thank you for the info duck! (Pato means duck on our language :p )

[vast meadow]

Well it's the cpu with the ram speed but yeah

Np :)

[reef schooner]

And 2nd motherboard :p

Yeah now it's rendering BSOD at slow rate lol

[vast meadow]

Clear cmos, then enable xmp but manually set the speed

And don't forget to run the bat file i linked on github

[full flame]

@vast meadow you have any experience troubleshooting memory issues? My brother's PC is acting up. It's a 6700k system iirc and had been working fine for years. Recently he experienced some instability. So he cleared cmos (I'm encouraging him to try this again in case he didn't do it quite right the first time)
He has an Asus z270-ws motherboard and it throws errors 53 and 55 which are for memory. I've advised him to test with known good memory

Anything else you think we should try? I don't have access to it because it's a few hundred miles away

I think he can't even get into bios atm

[burnt spear]

I'd turn xmp off and see what happens

Also what speed is the ram

[full flame]

Relatively slow iirc like 2333 or something

If he can't get into bios he can't turn off xmp

[burnt spear]

Ah

Oh didn't read that part

[vast meadow]

So clear cmos then he can re-enable xmp but if the xmp is too high he might not be able to run it, he should make sure it's in slots 2 and 4 and also then run test mem5 extreme anta77 profile, try with xmp off first tho and if you could let me know the xmp of the kit

[vast meadow]

Cmos reset will turn it off

[full flame]

Ok, yeah I was thinking that. I want to get him to clear CMOS again. He may not have given it enough time

But he was experiencing crashes before so I think there's some underlying motherboard or ram issue

[vast meadow]

If he is doing battery method, unplug pc from wall, take out battery, wait 5 mins then put back in

[full flame]

2133mhz ram w/o xmp

Yeah he didn't wait long from what he told me

[vast meadow]

Should be stable as a rock then hmm

[full flame]

Yeah

[vast meadow]

Yeah get them to do it again

[full flame]

I'm hoping he can borrow some known good ram after clearing cmos to see if the motherboard died, or the ram did

Thanks guys, will guide him through this if he feels up for it 👍

If I was closer I'd just do it 😕

[vast meadow]

Also can try 1 stick at a time in a2/b2

And can also try increasing mem voltage/memory controller voltage but that's not as easy and shouldn't be needed for jedec ram

[full flame]

Yeah I think he wouldn't want to mess with ran settings manually. I think we'll troubleshoot over the phone today so I'll have him do one stick at a time

[meager elbow]

i need a ram kit to upgrade my system memory with, i currently have the patriot viper steel cl19 1433 kit (PVS416G413C9K), and i want some other kit that will work with this well, with 4000mhz xmp at least; is there a good cheaper option rather than just buying the same kit?
(going from 16gb to 32gb by buying another 16gb kit)

also yes, cl19 is terrible for amd cpus because of infinity fabric or whatever it was that makes the cl into an even number

but i didn't realize at the time

also has to be sold and shipped by newegg

[vernal cosmos]

what cpu u got?

[meager elbow]

3700x

[vernal cosmos]

chance of that running 4000 mts ram at 1:1 fclk is 0

ur better off running 3600c16

[vast meadow]

You mean 2666?

[vernal cosmos]

than 4000c19

[vast meadow]

For a sec i thought you meant ddr3 lol

[meager elbow]

yeah probably lmao

[meager elbow]

lmao

[vast meadow]

Tbh I'd probably grab a kit of 3200, 3600 price is bleh like 155 for a good kit that's a %55 price increase vs like maybe 10% performance in cpu bound things?

[meager elbow]

any recommendations on any specific models?

[vast meadow]

Actually I'd go with this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GkJgXL/team-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-ttced432g3600hc18jdc01

Like 5$ more for 3600cl18 is decent

And gives you the fclk benefits

[meager elbow]

rip not on newegg

i'm trying to use my $15 voucher that i havent used so i want something from newegg

it's also not on amazon.ca (the specific model, there was one with cl14 and that one was $400)

double rip

wait it wasnt $400, it was $473

[vast meadow]

oh you never mentioned that or canadia smh

okey i see the wegg thing now

[meager elbow]

i did, though i did forget to mention canada lmao

[vast meadow]

1 sec

[vast meadow]

uhh so for canada youll be spending more going newegg even after your voucher soo just save it for something else and get this

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/TKLFf7/adata-xpg-gammix-d10-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-ax4u320016g16a-db10

[meager elbow]

even with that price, it is still decently cheaper than the ram that i currently have lmao

yeah i guess i'll get some storage instead

off of newegg

[vast meadow]

actually would get this just noticed bad subs on that one https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/w98bt6/silicon-power-xpower-turbine-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bda

[meager elbow]

lmao it looks like it came straight from the 2010s

[vast meadow]

lol

if you dont like the blue i actually found this one but 7$ shipping :( https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232299

or https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/frGbt6/patriot-viper-4-blackout-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-pvb432g360c8k

[meager elbow]

hmmmm, i've been staring at these for a little bit, and none of them really struck me as outstanding; is the silicon power one the best one of the bunch? i mean, i don't mind the 2010 aesthetic, because nothing in my pc matches anyways, nor do i even look inside of it unless it is for maintenance lmao

[frosty bronze]

ayo anybody know if there's a pcie sound card with quarter inch left and right inputs? I can't use a usb interface

[vast meadow]

All but the adata are equal

[meager elbow]

alright

[meager elbow]

i think that question should belong in #peripherals-and-displays

also while a pcie sound card is usually better than the onboard audio, a decent usb interface usually provides quite a bit better of audio quality; at least according to my audiophile friend

[main pulsar]

pcie suffers from its only power source being from the system PSU, hence they share the ground plane with your gpu and theres little to no isolation

so if your usb device is powered entirely from the pc, sound quality is a moot point in that regard

if its data only from the pc and is on its own psu, then in that case it would be better

assuming the ground noise even gets to an audible level

[naive pendant]

I need a motherboard that runs amd 5000 series proccesors does anyone have a good suggestion? Im currently looking at the x570 rog strix is that a good motherboard or no?

my budget is around 275 dollars

[burnt spear]

do you already own the cpu?

[naive pendant]

wait @burnt spear did you help me pick out a motherboard a few days ago

[burnt spear]

idk

[naive pendant]

ok nvm

yes I do

[burnt spear]

what cpu

[naive pendant]

5900x

I use it for gaming and school work and rendering stuff and programming so I figured if I wanted a new cpu might as well get a really good one and upgrade my motherboard later

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3Mxbt6/msi-mag-b550-tomahawk-atx-am4-motherboard-mag-b550-tomahawk this would be fine

[naive pendant]

sweet! Does that bootleg it though?

[burnt spear]

depends, if you plan to do heavy ocing yes

[naive pendant]

I normally only oc my gpu but not to much

[burnt spear]

@stiff kraken could double check my suggestion

[naive pendant]

ok sweet

is there a way to turn off the rgb though?

looks like there is some rgb and rgb<no rgb

[stiff kraken]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7gxbt6/msi-b550-a-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-a-pro

cheaper and will do the job just as well

[naive pendant]

sweet I literally have 150$ left over thanks a ton!!!

@stiff kraken I have kinda a dumb question, im new to pcs btw but it says 6gb sata does that mean my ssd wont work with the motherboard?

[burnt spear]

it will

[stiff kraken]

what is your ssd?

[naive pendant]

970 evo plus

2tb

[stiff kraken]

it supports m.2 yes

you'll be able to use it

[naive pendant]

sweet

thanks guys

[stiff kraken]

enjoy

[meager elbow]

6gb is just the maximum theoretical speed

[errant grail]

whats the difference with 5800x3d and 5800x?

[cerulean wadi]

"3D" model mainly has way more cache, aka faster/better. Still $400+ though while non-3d is below $300.

[errant grail]

what does cache do gaming wise?

[umbral ore]

When playing a game, textures are "cached" into memory so that they can be loaded very quickly and applied to models in the 3d space.

[round halo]

This is mainly for GPUs, not CPUs

CPUs save instructions in their cache by 3 different tiers

And use RAM as a secondary, like GPUs do with VRAM

Main difference between 5800x and 5800x3d is that the x3d has a massive l3 cache, which can be beneficial

But indeed is very expensive to produce... Making it hard to justify right now unless you have a good am4 board already and are looking for the best gaming chip on the platform

For the average person right now, 12700k and 5800x offer better value

[umbral ore]

Correct! Sorry, I saw 3d and didn't even think about the amd cpu lol

[round halo]

No worries

[umbral ore]

I actually have a question as well. I currently have a 3950X on an AM4 X570 mobo. I haven't done much research yet, but will the new AMD CPU's still work with that chipset? I know I can upgrade to a 5950X, but I was holding out for the next line.

[vast meadow]

5700x* usually like 30-40$ cheaper for like 200mhz less or so

[round halo]

Touche

[round halo]

Next gen is confirmed to be on a new socket entirely

[umbral ore]

Ahh crap ok

[vast meadow]

Unless amd pull something unexpected am4 is dead but i honestly don't see the point upgrading 1 gen and sticking same core count I'd rather wait and get a new board

[round halo]

And regardless, 4 gens on a single socket is special already

[vast meadow]

I'd recommend 13th gen intel probs then you can reuse your ddr4

[round halo]

BIOSes already had some issues fitting this many chips on a board

Let alone if you add another gen

[umbral ore]

Yeah, the problem is I jumped onto the bandwagon late in the game with the backwards-compatability.

I would have gotten much more use out of it if I made the switch sooner. But c'est la vie.

[round halo]

Eh, 3rd gen was the first time ryzen got actually somewhat stable anyways

So you also skipped a lot of the issues early ryzen had

[umbral ore]

Well that's good to know. It's bittersweet. I was upgrading from an i7 3770K at the time lol

I guess the good news is that this setup should last me quite some time yet for what I do. By the time I actually 'need' to upgrade, I should be able to make a nice jump!

[burnt spear]

Amd announced am4 isn't dead

Theyre going to release apus on it, which 6000 series apus could beat 5000 series

[umbral ore]

That may be true, I can't help but doubt they would have a 3950x equivalent (Core wise) APU though. I can be completely off-base, but APU's seem like 'jack-of-all-trade' type CPU's.

[burnt spear]

Mm

I doubt a 6950x would exist, 6900x will

Or 6950g/6900g

[umbral ore]

Here's to hoping 😛

[vast meadow]

Ahh right they're gonna be cut down anyway tho so not real release

Thought that was still a rumor

[vast meadow]

The apus are cut down cache wise so no point anyway :/

And i doubt you'll see a 16 core apu for a bit because the apus so far have all been monolithic

[umbral ore]

Yeah that's what I was figuring :/ oh well.

[burnt spear]

i found some good budget friendly ram https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DLZzK8/crucial-ballistix-max-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-5100-cl19-memory-blm2k8g51c19u4b

might go well in a 10100 or 12100 build, not sure

[urban vapor]

Lol

[vernal cosmos]

nope confirmed

[vast meadow]

Mkay i never saw them say that officially

[vast meadow]

Very much

[vernal cosmos]

https://youtu.be/BRtBB2VnF8M?t=1144

timestamped

[meager elbow]

finally, some ram that will fit my budget for ram that costs half as much as my entire build

[long geyser]

Wonder when AMD will do chiplet APUs (not talking about basic iGPU versions coming out)

[vernal cosmos]

for now

soon apus wont mean reduced cache\

VERY soon

[vast meadow]

Continue for many years to come can be interpreted a few different ways tho

[vernal cosmos]

Yes but leaks kinda confirmed

[vast meadow]

Source? And you mean not just cpu with igpu right? Apu implies like good igpu

[vast meadow]

Can just mean it will still be relevant/getting security updates etc

[vernal cosmos]

3d cache

[vast meadow]

Eh maybe on apus who knows

[vernal cosmos]

3dcache is gonna make its way through amds entire lineup

[woeful olive]

hey

my amd phenom II 1100t is only showing 5 cores instead of 6

does anyone know how to fix that

[scenic solar]

Check MSconfig and make sure it's set to 6 cores

[woeful olive]

where do i do that

[scenic solar]

MSconfig > boot > advanced options > change core number

[scenic solar]

Type on windows search bar

MSconfig

[woeful olive]

number of processors only goes up to 5

[scenic solar]

Mmmh

You'll need to check BIOS

[woeful olive]

where in the bios

[scenic solar]

What bios do you have?

[woeful olive]

asus

[frosty depot]

Are there any white ddr4 z690 motherboards that are just as good or better than the Mag Tomahawk?

[scenic solar]

Ho to system info

It's just to check something

[woeful olive]

ignore my bios being apparently 12 years old

[scenic solar]

I'm familiar with this bios on many computers

[scenic solar]

Go back and (on top) go to advanced

[woeful olive]

oh nvm

in advanced the 3rd core was turned off

now it should be fine

yep

thanks

[scenic solar]

Np

[burnt spear]

I think there's an asus one, but I'm not sure how it compares

[shy wyvern]

I used to run an X6 1055T. Those phenoms were great

[woeful olive]

its great for free honestly

my grapics is holding it back rn

[shy wyvern]

I still have my old phenom build

Has a gtx 660 in it as well

[woeful olive]

rn mine doesn't want to do games with its gt 730

[woeful olive]

i plan on using mine as a nas or something once i have my really good pc built

[shy wyvern]

My home network has a nas instead that's 24TB

Any computer on the network and our phones can upload files to it

[woeful olive]

is that super hard to do yourself?

[woeful olive]

i wanted to do that but with my own pc

[shy wyvern]

Not really

Lots of tutorials online about network Nas

[midnight pollen]

if you are doing a dedicated nas build truenas is fairly easy to setup

[grizzled bloom]

I use an old xeon PC I got for $125, and slapped a couple hard drives in. Now it's a Plex server and storage/backup server.

[midnight pollen]

ye I did that for my router, got a old hp office pc for free and now use it as a router lol

[craggy silo]

whats better 32 gig of ddr4 ram or 16 gigs of ddr5 ram

[hollow thorn]

depends on a lot of things, but right now, ddr5 just isn't that good

[vast meadow]

Ddr4 32gb

8gb ddr5 sticks suck

[grizzled bloom]

We're still on first gen DDR5 and the first gen always is slow, buggy, and doesn't overclock well compared to later models. That's been the historical trend for every new DDR version.

[long geyser]

Eh, DDR5 better then DDR4 now. Tho, at 1029471x the cost. But it do be better now. That said, idk about 8gb ddr5 DIMMs.

[hollow thorn]

any testing?

[vast meadow]

Cursed only half the banks

[hollow thorn]

I'm going off months old knowledge since I haven't really seen much new testing

although I haven't really been paying attention

[long geyser]

See a few people get some nice OCs now in random servers. Tho, I guess I havent made it its better then ALL DDR4 stuff. But have def seen it outdo some real nice DDR4 bdie OCs

[hollow thorn]

fun

[long geyser]

Still not worth cuz price. But Id say perf is adequate now tho.

[finite elm]

My friend was thinking of building a PC.

How does this list I made for them look?

They wanted a PCIE 4.0 SSD hence the SN850 but are open to suggestions

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JJKw3y\

[hollow thorn]

s70 blade

[finite elm]

Any other changes?

[vast meadow]

List is private but assuming 2tb?

[finite elm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m6JK78

1 TB, they don't play a lot of games

[vast meadow]

Brooo

Just get a 2tb mp33 instead of a high end drive

High end 1tb drives are pointless for gaming imo

[finite elm]

What about when Direct Storage finally comes

[grizzled bloom]

Then PCIe 5.0 drives will be relevant at that point

Direct Storage is at least 5-8 years away from wide adoption

[finite elm]

Dang, I won't have load times like the PS5 until then :c

[grizzled bloom]

Nope, game devs have to specially program their games for it. And we all know how long they take to implement new stuff directx 12

[vast meadow]

I'd do this instead for ~1450
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c4xw3y

[finite elm]

Valve did magic with the steam deck to get the Microsd card usable for games.

Like, actually can't tell

[grizzled bloom]

If it's an A1 or A2 rated SD card it'll have good IOPS for loading

A2 especially

An A2 V90 card would be

[finite elm]

I don't think the Microcenter has those in stock. was going to get it there with the motherboard cause its cheaper. so the price isn't correct on PCpartPicker

CPU ^

[vast meadow]

Lemme look at mc then, which one is it?

[finite elm]

St Louis park. its only saving 30$, CPU is only 10$ less. 12400 not the F. We have the 12600k in stock but not the 12600kf, but I guess that could work too.

[vast meadow]

Id do this if they have the budget
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g6kYXy

Also consider 3060 ti/6700xt and 6750xt over 3070 would save some more money and would be just as good as long as not ray tracing

[finite elm]

Ye I sent them that list and told them the 12600k Instead of the KF at MC and the Motherboard.

Their budget is 2000$ for everything. so this is well under budget.

its weird that I still suggest the M27Q. I don't even have it

[vast meadow]

G27q is the goto now, like 100$ cheaper, you sacrifice like 15hz and the kvm

[finite elm]

We can't ship the Aorus Monitors to MN

except the FV43U

and one of the others.

M27Q is available in stores here though, Best Buy and Microcenter will have them in stock

Q27Q isn't yet 😭

[grizzled bloom]

qq

[finite elm]

Oh, could get it from Best Buy though, they'll ship it into the state for Pick up

[upper rose]

wait do ps5 load times exist

if not

theyve come a long way since the use of cds/dvds

[finite elm]

Spiderman PS5 has no loading screens. Not sure of other games, but a lot of exclusives will take advantage of it when they get used to the PS5

[upper rose]

nother question about that: does merely having an odd or hdd cause slower boot even if theyre not the boot drive?

even if the boot drive is an m.2

or is that msi being a pita

[grizzled bloom]

If the game files are located on the HDD yes, since they have worse random access times

[upper rose]

no mine are in a 2.5” ssd

but the boot drive for my linux daily is an m.2

my hdd contains console games

for use on real hardware

[wintry girder]

Is 16gb still enough for modern games?

[burnt spear]

most of the time yes

[grizzled bloom]

Good enough for just about everything with a couple exceptions, like flight sim 2020 on high settings.

[hard leaf]

or any city builder with a very high amount of population... those things eat thru memory like honey

[hoary echo]

this sure is a "closing google chrome" moment

[naive pendant]

edge > chrome

[finite elm]

Edge is so much better

[naive pendant]

They're just in denial

[vital field]

chrome do be better

at being a worse browser

[warm dune]

What’s the difference between Corsair Dominator Platinum and the Corsair Vengeance Pro? And which one is better

[vital field]

realistically, only difference is the lighting. dominator is suppose to be better but its corsair ram so really youll either get meh sticks or meh sticks

[warm dune]

Ah

[vast meadow]

Both are meme prices with bad timings usually and should be avoided tho

[vast meadow]

I'm not in an African river

[long geyser]

99% of Corsair is meme

[limber dragon]

All 4 of my Corsair ddr4 do 4533

[vast meadow]

How much did you pay for those sticks tho?

And if they where on a different pcb they could probably do better

[naive pendant]

[grizzled bloom]

Even Corsair B-Die is on such a bad PCB it falls way short of all other B-Die.

[limber dragon]

3200c16 h8c that was like $100 in 2018-2019? and 3600c18 s4e for like $30

h8c was a2, s4e was a0

[vast meadow]

damm lucky af

[warm dune]

Is the asus Z690-A a reliable board? I see a lot of people using it in builds, but I was seeing a lot of reviews saying that after a while of using it, it doesn’t work as good and some parts die on it

I currently am looking at maybe getting the Z690-P, but I was trying to see if I could go for the white version

[cerulean wadi]

Msi A Pro is what many people like, or Pro A w/e it's called

[grizzled bloom]

Pro Z690-A iirc

[warm dune]

Is there a white version with WiFi?

[grizzled bloom]

No

[warm dune]

Oof

I’m trying to go for an all white build, but it’s kinda hard to find a white motherboard with WiFi

[frosty depot]

Yeah, I'm in same boat. There is really only black/grey mobo with white heatsinks for z690 sadly.

[frosty depot]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-ROG-D4-Motherboard-Thunderbolt/dp/B09J1RM86X/ref=asc_df_B09J1RM86X/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=546914260534&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17683167095303788980&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029519&hvtargid=pla-1458058278439&psc=1

Bout the best I could find really.

[warm dune]

Yea I’m looking at maybe trying to get that one but idk if the reviews are true or not

[frosty depot]

I wish there were aftermarket heatsinks for my mag tomahawk. I really like my board.

[frosty depot]

It seems like m.2 ports has issues on it.

Might just be luck of the draw, but there are several reviews with that issue so.. Def something to think about.

[warm dune]

Yea I’m watching a video about the z690 boards and how some of them are burning up because of a Capacitor being put on backwards

[grizzled bloom]

That's an old issue, they've fixed it since then but if you happen to get one with it reversed you can replace it for free.

The best guess I've seen for the cause of that is someone loaded the cartridge with the caps wrong so a run of boards got made wrong.

[warm dune]

Ah

[vast meadow]

The asus z690 a is fine just a bit expensive

[frosty depot]

The white one?

[vast meadow]

Ye

[reef elbow]

what?

Is this a good set for a server?

• Procesador: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5950X-32-Thread-Processor/dp/B0815Y8J9N/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1XY50QBTTPE2S&keywords=ryzen+5950x&qid=1653573181&sprefix=ryzen+5950%2Caps%2C227&sr=8-2 - 550$
• Memoria RAM: https://www.newegg.com/crucial-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820156237?Item=9SIAKD3CYM9065&Description=ram&cm_re=ram-_-20-156-237-_-Product x 4 - 110$ x 4 = 440$
• Disco duro: https://www.newegg.com/samsung-970-evo-plus-2tb/p/20-147-744 x 2 - 180$ x 2 = 360$
• Barebone: https://www.newegg.com/asrock-1u2lw-x470-supports-intel-xeon-e-2100-processors/p/N82E16816775004?Description=asrock barebone am4&cm_re=asrock_barebone am4-_-16-775-004-_-Product&quicklink=true - 655$

[vast meadow]

What would you be using the server for and that cpu and motherboard aren't compatible, and what country are you in and how much do you want to spend?

[reef elbow]

I want to spend like 2k, the server is to host games, and i am in spain but i am going to send all to a datacenter in miami directly, so united states

[reef elbow]

what? https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=1U2LW-X470#CPU

[vast meadow]

How come you will be hosting in the US?

[reef elbow]

in a datacenter, vpls

the assemble the server for me

[vast meadow]

Oh weird it says intel in the name so i thought it was an intel one lol?

[vast meadow]

Right but it would be way more beneficial for you to host in the EU

[reef elbow]

ah, it say that is support xeon

[reef elbow]

yea... it is cheaper, and is more near me, but we need the latinoamerican community too. My partner is in southamerica too

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[vast meadow]

Yeah the name in the url is weird but details says am4 so 5950x should work fine

[reef elbow]

yea

it is strange hahaha

[reef elbow]

does the motherboard support nvme?

[vast meadow]

Just sata from what i can see

Also really think 128gb ram is necessary?

[reef elbow]

yes

because it if for resell servers

[vast meadow]

Okay up to you, for storage you'll probably need to go sata as there's only 1 pcie slot which you'll need for a gpu

[reef elbow]

ahhh

i understand

thanks

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p7nypg/crucial-mx500-4-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct4000mx500ssd1

Here's a good one

[reef elbow]

thanks

https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=1U2LW-X470#Specifications

i think there is more than one pcie slots

[vast meadow]

Oh specs on newegg said something else

Looks like there is an nvme slot too but only runs half the lanes

[naive pendant]

Hey guys, I was sent here by a customer service guy at New Egg who said he knew nothing about products. I need a new battery for my ThinkPad. If anyone knows batteries, here is my laptop info and tremendous thanks.
OS Name Microsoft Windows 11 Pro
Version 10.0.22000 Build 22000
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name CAMERA2
System Manufacturer LENOVO
System Model 20KFCTO1WW
System Type x64-based PC
System SKU LENOVO_MT_20KF_BU_Think_FM_ThinkPad X280
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8650U CPU @ 1.90GHz, 2112 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date LENOVO N20ET56W (1.41 ), 10/8/2020
SMBIOS Version 3.0
Embedded Controller Version 1.15
BIOS Mode UEFI
BaseBoard Manufacturer LENOVO
BaseBoard Product 20KFCTO1WW
BaseBoard Version SDK0J40697 WIN
Platform Role Mobile
Secure Boot State On
PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.22000.527"
User Name CAMERA2\myown
Time Zone Eastern Daylight Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 16.0 GB

[cursive epoch]

your laptop is a thinkpad x280

looking up "thinkpad x280 battery" would do

[naive pendant]

Thanks!

[frosty depot]

So, I thought my cpu raised by 8c by top mounting my aio, but I noticed that after gaming for a good bit that the max temp it gets to isn't as high as before in the 4000D vs the 5000D.. like at first it's hotter then it like gets to a certain point then it just sits there.. example.. my cpu would get to about 64c after a couple hours playing.. now it gets to 58c after a couple hours of playing.

also, not talking to anyone in particular.. just kinda in the mood to type out my thoughts.

[cursive epoch]

yeah, it's normal

steady state is where temps stabilize

when the aio gets saturated enough

[grizzled bloom]

You can have the fans ramp up sooner and it'll be less likely to spike like that

[upper rose]

i realized why my 32gb memory was not being detected

my ram carts were installed correctly, but the s/n didn't align in the right order

serial numbers should be installed in an A/B/A/B format

it was honestly a stupid solution

but it works as 32gb ram now

[frosty depot]

Wish I was home to have you check out my fan curve. It was easy for me on the gpu because I could adjust on the fly.. but for system fans I gotta go into bios.

I tried fan control, but for some reason the fans won't link to the rpm

It fails to figure out which fans go to which rpm

[vast meadow]

https://youtu.be/eI8OJnkGnvU

[frosty depot]

Wish my mobo had 1 more jrainbow header.

And I can't hook up my argb fan to the reg rgb header because it's to high voltage right?

[cerulean wadi]

Argb might be 12v while rgb is 5v. Idk, gotta check your stuff to be sure. I think the connectors are physically different partly for this reason.

[frosty depot]

Argb is 5v. I believe rgb is 12v.

[frosty depot]

The headers also look the same.

Nvm

Rgb has 4 pins

[cerulean wadi]

Haha. Yea they're similar. Gotcha!

[frosty depot]

Yeah lol

To bad there wasn't a way to make a another argb with an adapter or something

[cerulean wadi]

To me it's just weird that the full DC 4pin is rgb instead of argb, but w/e. Yea there's hubs to buy maybe. My mobo has em and msrp was $300 while all fans are plain black.

[frosty depot]

Yeah I thought that was weird too.

[long geyser]

Well, with 5v aRGB you only need one lane to send a digital signal. 12v RGB works just by powering the R/G/B power rails.

[dim cloak]

Argb do be pog

[frosty depot]

what's an ok cheaper mobo for a 12600k?

looking for a board that can overclock a little at least.

[grizzled bloom]

MSI Pro B660-A if you're ok with no CPU overclock

[vast meadow]

was gonna recommend b660m bazooka but https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nGRYcf/msi-pro-z690-p-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-p-ddr4 orrr https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XRPQzy/gigabyte-z690i-aorus-ultra-lite-ddr4-rev-10-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-z690i-aorus-ultra-lite-ddr4-rev-10

same price as bazooka so might as well get some nicer vrms

[frosty depot]

would that ITX look insanely small in the 4000D airflow?

[vast meadow]

yes lol

[frosty depot]

idk that it matters.. but I don't see any argb headers on the pro z690-p;

I could probably just get rgb fans

wouldbe cheaper anyways

just trying to get a feel for what I can build. I think instead of building to sell the stuff I have, I'm going to build it for my girl.

she is on $800 laptop from walmart

[scenic solar]

Was wondering what integrated graphics my AMD 4400+ used
Just discovered it has no integrated graphics
Motherboard has one 👀
MB with iGPU are usually a bit rare

[grizzled bloom]

There's 2

Top right and bottom mid-left

[frosty depot]

huh.

those look like 4 pin and the one in bottom mid left says jrgb

[grizzled bloom]

MSI calls a-rgb jrgb

[frosty depot]

hm my msi board says jrainbow for argb and jrgb for rgb

[scenic solar]

I've just changed a ddr2 sodimm ram from an ACER pc (from a 1GB one to a 2GB one) but there is also another stick (should be 1GB)...
It shows only 1.75GB, could that be the 1GB ram dead? +.25GB used for iGPU?

[grizzled bloom]

Tried the other stick you swapped out? And on older boards sometimes slot 1 and 2 were for dual channel, double check that

[scenic solar]

1.25GB for iGPU is a strange amount you usually don't find

[frosty depot]

@grizzled bloom

[grizzled bloom]

Huh. My board is different.

Anyway I double checked the specs on MSI site and it's one of each, 3 and 4 pin

[scenic solar]

I now can't change the ram stick, I don't have the smol PC with me but I think the previous configuration (1+1GB) was half dead, I've never cared if the ram was ok and always used the pc as normal

Probably was running with .75GB (.25 iGPU) and the other stick was just sitting dead

[frosty depot]

I can't seem to find this info lol

[frosty depot]

waow

it straight staring at me in the face

and I didn't see it lol

[scenic solar]

Dual channel
.. Does that make a difference? Does it change something..
It should not, the frequency are probably not matching but it's ok, sure it is running at 667MHz

I mean they're also two different ram sticks but it should be good, one is 1rx8 and the other is 1rx16

[grizzled bloom]

Yes it can make a difference if it's limited to 2gb per channel or something

[scenic solar]

Slot one has 2GB
Slot two has 1GB

maybe an overall limit of 2GB? Mmh

[grizzled bloom]

What board is it? I'll look up limits and proper config

[scenic solar]

Idk
Acer smol PC board from prebuilt pc

It's like Alienware motherboards without even an ATX format

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, do you have a model number for the computer? Or maybe one is printed on the board itself?
At least a chipset?

[scenic solar]

I don't remember
I forgor 💀
Let me see if I can find it online

It's an Acer veriton with AMD X2 4400+ 2.2GHz

😐 uff
Max 2GB
Why?

I'll put back the ram stick

[grizzled bloom]

The manual is totally useless on that PC too lol. It says more about using disk defrag than about the inside of the PC.

[scenic solar]

Always...

(btw I didn't knew much about it because it was one of the pc my dad stole brought from work)

There wasnt even a manual or anything

Just the pc

Had to make my own PSU

[naive pendant]

Guys Ive gotten 3 diffrent anwsers can someone give me a reccomendation for what ram to choose and tell me what to look for in ram?

[hollow thorn]

(you're probably about to get 3 more answers)

[hollow thorn]

For what chip?

[naive pendant]

ryzen 9 5900x

[hollow thorn]

You looking to oc or no

[naive pendant]

no

[hollow thorn]

You'll probably just want to look for standard 3600c16

[naive pendant]

ok I heard corsair vengence is bad ram to get is that true?

I heard it overheats

[hollow thorn]

Corsair just uses bad bins and such

Overheats, dunno, don't think they get temperature sensors, so maybe multiple b die sticks could overheat?

[long geyser]

Which, tbf its not hard for bdie to "overheat" when being pushed

[hollow thorn]

Yea

[naive pendant]

ok thanks guys

[long geyser]

Tho, I highly doubt Corsair DIMMs actually overheat or anything. You just get poor quality ICs and IC binning with a premium price.

[hollow thorn]

But with vengeance I don't think it's hard to overheat with just xmp with 4x8

[long geyser]

XMP 1.35v? That should be near impossible to overheat tbf

[naive pendant]

@hollow thorn is gskills any good

[hollow thorn]

There's also always the reports of sticks not hitting and all but anyways

[hollow thorn]

I mean like a 1.45v 3600c14 kit or like 1.5v 4000c16 kit

[long geyser]

Ah, okay yeah. But isnt that kinda the case for many DIMMs? I generally do active airflow =>1.45v.

[hollow thorn]

Can be decent

[hollow thorn]

Yea but some can do a bit better

[naive pendant]

is there a specific brand that is better then others

[hollow thorn]

Not really now

Ballistix gone :(

[long geyser]

Generally, just get the cheapest of whatever XMP you want. Shouldnt really worry about a brand based on your usecase as its pretty simple, no OC and such.

XMP Id recommend is prolly 3600C16 to 3600C18

[naive pendant]

can you guys see my list with this link? https://pcpartpicker.com/user/jonzmuda/saved/#view=DjpFZL

also is there any suggestions

[hollow thorn]

Private

[naive pendant]

try this https://pcpartpicker.com/user/jonzmuda/saved/#view=DjpFZL

does that work?

[hollow thorn]

Plz don't use 212 on 5900x lol

[naive pendant]

is a prism good? I currently have a 2700x

[hollow thorn]

Not good enough

[naive pendant]

what is a good cooler

[hollow thorn]

Prob like ak620 if you don't want aio

[long geyser]

Any reason to go Ryzen? Intel typically better for price tbf

[naive pendant]

I have a amd mobo is all

ok this is a dumb question but what does aio stand for

I looked it up but I never get a clear anwser

[long geyser]

Still in free return window?

[naive pendant]

no i got it for xmass

I normally just do gaming so intel and amd I dont really see a dif

I also do rendering sometimes but hardly

[long geyser]

All In One. It can mean a few things depending on what you're talking about, such as a Computer Monitor or cooler. Generally the term gets used for coolers, which refers to having an All In One liquid cooler (radiator, pump, and CPU block).

[naive pendant]

oh I see thanks

@hollow thorn Should I get a ak620 over an nzxt aio cooler?

because the aio cooler matches my case but other then looks I know nothing about coolers

[hollow thorn]

Is not getting nzxt case an option?

Nzxt is just expensive for mediocre performance

[naive pendant]

yeah thats an option but I really like the looks of it, is there a case that looks like that?

[hollow thorn]

Which part of it?

[naive pendant]

black case and has tinted glass

[hollow thorn]

Meshify c has a tinted varient

[naive pendant]

ok ill check that out thanks

[hollow thorn]

PSU wise, I'd get something better, at least like cxf and ideally something like a-gf

[long geyser]

G5 is cheapest "Best of Tier B" in the 650w area rn

CXF is rated as same deal as G5, "Best of Tier B"

That said, too lazy to see which truly perfs better

But should move from GA as it doesnt like transients much, which is IMO kinda sucky even if it shouldnt affect you much

[burnt spear]

Cxf is a bit better I believe

[round halo]

I would pick CX-F over G5 personally, but both are a bit odd to choose right now

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R4Gbt6/corsair-rm-2021-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020231-na

This would be my current pick

650w is a bit narrow for g6x ampere

[long geyser]

Depends if you like MIR. If not, 850w AGF do be only $5 more

[round halo]

Agf is listed as 100 for me

[hollow thorn]

Luke, would you be gamble on seeing what you get from segotep?

[long geyser]

750w RM is $85 MIR and $105 no MIR. 850w AGF is $110 no MIR, is what PCPP says for me at least

[round halo]

Meh, doubt they would be willing to give me the details

[hollow thorn]

buy one, write it off as cultist expense

[round halo]

It's a pain to get one here

Also, cultists isn't a company right now

[burnt spear]

G6 850 is 105 I think atm

Not much of a diff either way

[hollow flower]

quick question for anyone

so I am buy the new MSI MPG z690 carbon wifi ddr5. with corsair vengance ddr5 6000mhz

[hollow thorn]

Time to register it as a non-profit?

[hollow flower]

I obviously will need a new cpu to run ddr5. but im torn. do i need a cpu WITH integrated graphics or not?

[round halo]

We're not a non-profit

And commercial software licenses are a pain

[hollow thorn]

It's not a need, if you can get a CPU with igpu, it's nice for troubleshooting or like quicksync or extra monitor, but it's not required.

Rip

Regulations make things annoying, too complicated

[hollow flower]

ohk cause im looking at intel i7-12700k (8p+4e) 12th gen

one has intergrated graphics and one doesnt. I also have an rtx 3070, single monitor set up so I guess I could just save the extra money and go without

[cursive epoch]

uh, only cpus with f or kf branding lacks igpu

this has been a thing since 9th gen

for ryzen, it's only g skus that has igpu

[cerulean wadi]

Also yes obviously an igpu isn't "needed" if we have the 3070. Simple to mostly confirm gpu is working or such

[wise quest]

Double post:

Would it be wise to put a ryzen 9 3950x into my computer? I have an x470 chipset and a 450 watt psu. I know it would bottleneck my gpu.

[vast meadow]

Depends on what x470, what price the 3950x is, what you have now, what you'll be doing with it, what gpu you have and what psu model

[wise quest]

Msi x470 gaming plus max. The chip is $275 usd. It is listed on hws and local Craigslist. I have a 3400g now. I don’t know if it would be necessary specs wise. I was looking at getting a 3600x for the extra cores, but this one is cheaper. (I would have to research coolers though, because a 3600x could use my current default one that came with 3400g).
I have a gtx 1060 3gb, and an evga bronze 450watt psu.

[burnt spear]

I'd look at 5600 as well

Also 3600 over 3600x

Near identical perf

[vast meadow]

Just get a 5600 or 5700x new or 5600(x)/5700x/5800x if used tbh

[vast meadow]

Whichever would be cheaper

[burnt spear]

true

[cerulean wadi]

5600(x) is a good bit better than the 3600(x) or even the big 3950x depending on what you're doing.

[vernal cosmos]

cl not the only thing that matters...

What

[burnt spear]

Ok I'm going to be very blunt

Combining random words together doesn't make a sentence make sense

You can admit to not knowing what something is and we can explain it

[vernal cosmos]

How is cas latency of your ram even a little tiny bit related to how many monitors you can run

[burnt spear]

Refresh rate has nothing to do with ram. The speed of ram also has nothing to do with amount of monitors you're running

Speed and timings are what you're talking about

[vast meadow]

That's frequency

[burnt spear]

Refresh rate is not ram. Speed is ram

Refresh rate is how fast monitors screens refresh

[vast meadow]

I run 3600mhz cl14 but that is because i manually tuned it, i could run 4 monitors with 2133mhz cl22 but like

[vernal cosmos]

Its almost like your cpu, which uses ram doesnt display stuff...

[vast meadow]

If you're in the us on intel get the 2x16gb kit of g skill ripjaws 4000mhz cl19 and call it a day

[burnt spear]

If you want the best ram, enjoy spending 1.5k on a ram kit

[vast meadow]

Ram has nothing to do with how the picture will look that's graphics cardd job

No point going amd unless you already have a motherboard and are upgrading

[vernal cosmos]

Unless ur on an igpu, your ram is unrelated to display

[burnt spear]

MMMMM

[vast meadow]

You're not getting cl12 on ddr4 ram

[burnt spear]

Lower cl is better

3600c14 is MUCH better than 3200c16

12th gen is better price/perf

[wise quest]

That is a very subjective question lol

[vast meadow]

12th gen beats ryzen 5000 atm,

Huh?

[burnt spear]

This has to be a joke

[wise quest]

Impossible

[vast meadow]

Latency free would require you to host the game server

🙃

[burnt spear]

It has to be a troll

[vernal cosmos]

And use some tech to remove all sizes and distances and make your entire computer the size of an atom

[wise quest]

becomes concerned

realizes it’s a joke

[vast meadow]

Understandable have a nice day

[burnt spear]

32gb 3200c16 for $95, 3600c16 32gb kit for $150, 4000c18 32gb kit for $130

[vernal cosmos]

I mean its tru tho. Travel distances add latency

You can build it out of whatever you want

If its over one atom in size, its got latency

[vast meadow]

If you want the best for gaming you'll be looking at a 12900ks, ddr5 6400mhz cl30, rtx 3090 ti and completely custom loop it all, is it worth it, hell no

You don't actually want the best computer because it's redicolously overpriced

[vernal cosmos]

@vast meadow in todays saga of nvidia hates amd, my pc no longer boots if I have monitor plugged into amd card

:)

irrelevant to you

I run an nvidia gpu with an amd gpu in the same system

cpu doesnt matter

yeah this is a troll

[vast meadow]

You're talking about frequency not refresh rates btw, refresh rate is how many times a second something is updated, and RAM is a balance of frequency and timings, higher frequency is better and lower timings are better

You're not listing to what we say

[vast meadow]

^

You don't want to go ryzen now

[vast meadow]

And need to balance price/perf too

No it hasn't

Already said intel is better price and perf atm

No lol

Adios

[vernal cosmos]

I MISSED SOMETHING?!

[vast meadow]

Just troll

So i banneded

[frosty depot]

Lol. Yeah looks like you are talking to yourself here.

[safe citrus]

any thoughts?

[vast meadow]

Way to overpriced

[safe citrus]

AUD

[vast meadow]

What country are you in?

Ah

Already have any parts?

[safe citrus]

cheapest itx board on pc part picker for LGA1200

[vast meadow]

Do you already have an lga 1200 cpu?

[safe citrus]

11400

[vast meadow]

Because if not you shouldn't be going 10th/11th gen

Ah shame

Can you put what parts you have in
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/

And send the link in the yellow box back?

[naive pendant]

is it possible to swap out the heatsinks on a ballistix? @vast meadow

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/wrRy3pH3bKgeuLzrwwSsBm.jpg

i want a coomer white color to compliment the silver heatsinks my mobo has

[vast meadow]

Uhh yes but that's gonna be a major pain

[naive pendant]

yeah no one sells em

[vast meadow]

Not only that but taking dims off ram is a pain

[naive pendant]

yeah have to remove the dims?

[cursive epoch]

probably gonna need some heat gun

and a lot of careful pulling

assuming it's on thermal pads

[vast meadow]

I meant the heatsink of the dimms*

Or taking dimms apart

[naive pendant]

yeap lol

oh well

[placid lake]

Thermal paste suggestions?

[hollow thorn]

Anything decent like mx5 or nt-h2

[finite elm]

tooth paste

[vernal cosmos]

mx4 or mx5

whichever is cheaper

[placid lake]

What about kryonaut or Mastergell proV2

[vernal cosmos]

unecessary

just get some mx4 or 5

idk about the mastergel

[placid lake]

I'm trying to squeeze every bit of thermal performance since my cooler is tethering on the edge of not enough for my CPU upgrade.

[vernal cosmos]

but kryonaut is waste of money for most people

[vernal cosmos]

what cpu and cooler

[vast meadow]

get mx5 then

[placid lake]

Got a hyper212 and planning to upgrade to a Ryzen 7 5700X

[vast meadow]

DONT

PLEASE

[placid lake]

I've got pretty cold ambients all around