cpus-mobo-and-memory

[grizzled bloom]

Looking at your screenshot I'm seeing 36W

[polar moth]

max ever is 36.74 W

[grizzled bloom]

Download throttlestop and run the mc test again. It'll tell you what's limiting you and can usually unlock those limits.

[long geyser]

You were running the single core test

[grizzled bloom]

That's what it sounded like to me too

[long geyser]

Also afaik HWMonitor has no way to do value over time measurement like HWiNFO. One of the reasons why I prefer it over HWMonitor. Kinda hard to guess average power consumption due to it being very inconsistent and not staying at a certain value.

[polar moth]

I was running single core test.

I'll do the multi core test

Started the test

Cpu peaking at 52 C, max 53 c

55 watts pull

[polar moth]

Ahh ok I’ll get hwinfo

Was confused a bit with hwinfo and hwmonitor

Hm I see my ghz is at 2.91hz?

[long geyser]

If you do get HWiNFO, I'd recommend changing this so average time is a bit easier to read.

[polar moth]

Ok, changed it.

[long geyser]

I usually do two minutes worth of samples (60 samples, one every two seconds is two minutes), but you can do whatever

[polar moth]

Now post it again?

Ah ok I'll wait 2 minutes then post it?

[long geyser]

I can already get the general idea from what was already posted. Just saying stuff for future reference

[polar moth]

👍

[long geyser]

So few things to note here:
-2.91GHz is the base freq of the CPU. There is boost freq which HWiNFO is reporting. Dont think it went on long enough for accurate reading from HWiNFO, but the freq being reported by HWiNFO seems accurate enough. The 10400 has a single core boost of 4.3GHz and all core boost of lower (for example, 3.9GHz. Idk what it actually is as all core boost isnt really stated in the specs for CPUs).
-CPU temps and wattages where averaging in the 50s. This was a relatively short but extreme test. In gaming workloads you could see a bit higher or lower temps due to a few reasons (GPU outputting heat, longer workload allowing for heatsink to follow be saturated, less wattage being consumed as R23 is much harder on the CPU then games).
-You should be able to at least heighten, maybe "remove" (as in, make it so high you'll never worry about it), the PL without much issue given current cooling perf. If it's smth you want to do I'd recommend doing R23 on loop and seeing how high you can set the PL too until temps get too high or CPU fan is too noisy.

[polar moth]

Noise is no issue for my deaf ass 🤣

As long fan don't spin off flying away

[cerulean wadi]

Yea if possible I'd at least put PL1 up a bit to maybe 100-110w & PL2 to 150w, but it's likely not really much of a factor when you only hit 55w w/ cinebench

[polar moth]

PL1? This is new term for me

[cerulean wadi]

It's in the bios. Power Limits. Pl2 is short term max wattage & pl1 is long term wattage afaik or something like that. I'd say adjust boost lvls also but probably not possible w/ 10400. Idk, I'm too used to my older setups.

[polar moth]

I'm using Gigabyte BIOS

Eh I am not going to mess around in bios settings, have zero knowledge in overclocking department. I’ll bare with throttlestop for now.

In other words i am afraid to change randomly and mess up my one and only one Intel Processor

[cerulean wadi]

PL is pretty simple but yea you're not missing much afaik because right now you're a full 30w from PL1 limit. Plus, stock settings give good power efficiency. Could always adjust later.

[polar moth]

I see so it's stock out of the box not internationally messed with?

I have a good cooling headroom so I can bear for 10-20 extra temps

[grizzled bloom]

You could always use XTU, Intel's own overclocking utility.
If anything goes wrong it automatically reverts the settings. And it's highly unlikely you'll actually damage something.

[polar moth]

Sounds good

[grizzled bloom]

You can always make it so PL1 = PL2, so effectively it never stops boosting to the higher power limit

[polar moth]

And how I go do that?

[grizzled bloom]

Change "Turbo Boost Power Max" so that it's equal to "Turbo Boost Short Power Max"

[faint shadow]

Looking at a friends pre-built computer. I am looking at their MOBO right now, and trying to find out what it is. System Information gives us Baseboard Product of "Z270P-D3-CF" typing it into google gets us this: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z270P-D3-rev-10#kf. I am a little skeptical this is what that motherboard is, but I want to get others opinion of if this MOBO is correct.

[grizzled bloom]

Do you have a picture of the board? What model prebuilt is it?

[faint shadow]

Nope, but they are saying they got it back in 2017.

[grizzled bloom]

What brand is it at least?

HP? Cyberpower?

[faint shadow]

Sec

Cyberpower we found the sticker.

[grizzled bloom]

They use standard parts so it's quite possible that the board you found is correct

They'll use a variety of different ones, the same model might have different part numbers

[faint shadow]

Okay, so it is a Micro ATX, so 2 DIMM lots

[grizzled bloom]

2 DIMMs sounds more like ITX

[faint shadow]

Sounds about right it is a pre-built, so they likely skimped on parts.

[rose sonnet]

Hello, I have a question for anyone reading here. So I am going to build my own Gaming PC but I am looking for a compatible motherboard to make it and I currently have in my cart this SSD (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-980-pro-2tb-pcie-gen-4-x4-nvme-gaming-internal-solid-state-drive/6447126.p?skuId=6447126) and the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X but I don't know which motherboard will be perfect for these two items. Any motherboard anyone recommends me to get for these two items and that's really good for Gaming, Streaming, VR Ready, RGB, DDR4, or any best motherboard that can also be compatible with any NVIDIA RTX GPU/Other GPU's?

[grizzled bloom]

Chances are you don't really need a gen 4 SSD unless you're doing large sequential reads like 4k video editing

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7gxbt6/msi-b550-a-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-a-pro

[cerulean wadi]

For ssd I suggest P31 or maybe P41 if gen 4 is actually needed. Worth a glance at least. Undercuts 980 Pro by $10 already. (Also much better max write speed of 6500MB/s vs 5100MB/s for 980 Pro) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QVD9V7R/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_PNN4ZGT60HH2D64WJY2C?pldnSite=1&th=1

[rose sonnet]

Hm, they seem good but what is the difference between P31 or P41 on the SSD? Since I may be needing to use many things on the PC and I also want a way to reload quick since currently the PC I have reloads in about half an hour just of how slow it is.

[grizzled bloom]

Basically P41 has the higher sequential speeds of a gen 4 drive

And I can load Windows on a much lower tier drive than these in about 8 seconds

That's more of a random r/w than sequential

[rose sonnet]

Ah, I see. And for the motherboard link you posted above, does it accept P41 GEN 4 SSD? Since I may be adding the SSD 4, and also is there any type like the same Motherboard but also having WIFI due to I am trying not to waste many connections on it by buying external WIFI adapters and Bluetooth.

[grizzled bloom]

Yes it'll do gen 4

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QVn8TW/asrock-x570-steel-legend-wifi-ax-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-steel-legend-wifi-ax

Actually I think this one was better https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Vb3mP6/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-ax-v2-atx-am4-motherboard-b550aorus-elite-axv2

[rose sonnet]

Great, and I'll be checking out those motherboards right now

[rose sonnet]

Do you by any chance have any recommendations for a compatible DDR4 ram that's 16GB/32GB, RGB by like corsair or any company that makes them RGB capable with a software that can connect both motherboard and memory?

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jxH8TW/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gtzrc

You can just control the memory with the motherboard software

[rose sonnet]

Thanks!

[rare orbit]

there were some ballistix MAX RGB 4000 a while ago for about 200.. seems like it's 300 now tho. check those out from other locations as well

[burnt juniper]

i have the Hynix 4GB 1Rx8 PC3L-12800S-11-13-B4 RAM can i add another one to make it 8 gb ram on my computer?

[burnt spear]

what cpu do you have

[grizzled bloom]

Laptop I'm guessing? Which model? Some of them have soldered, non-upgradeable memory

[burnt juniper]

hp laptop

the one i have has the clip

it has 2 Slots

[grizzled bloom]

You could add another stick, I've even successfully run odd numbers of memory on my HP laptop, 6gb and 12gb.

[noble wigeon]

Is there a way to check how much memory I can upgrade my motherboard to?

[burnt spear]

what mobo is it

[quartz cobalt]

hi i recently changed my cmos battery but my bios settings keep resetting anyway, does anyone know why?

[grizzled bloom]

Is the battery upside down maybe?

[rose sonnet]

Oh and, on this motherboard I see its kind of Red/Orange and black and I am trying to get a like RGB/Black and White computer setup so not sure if the color of the motherboard will affect on how the RGB/BW works and looks outside with the case

[quartz cobalt]

no😂

pc doesnt crash from games anymore though i set max cpu usage to 95% or something like that i forgot what it was but it's in windows power settings

[grizzled bloom]

The color accents won't affect the RGB much because they're matte finish and don't reflect much light, and the RGB will be much brighter than the accent colors

[fleet hemlock]

i come with a motherboard question!

Would this motherboard pair well with an adequately cooled 12700f?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09PXD16F6?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[burnt spear]

do you need it to have wifi?

[fleet hemlock]

I would prefer to have it

[burnt spear]

good then

[fleet hemlock]

awesome thank you !

you have been quite helpful Bacca

[burnt spear]

np

[burnt juniper]

mine has 4 gb ram im thinking of taking it out and adding 2 8 gb ram

[burnt spear]

what laptop is it

[burnt juniper]

HP

[lone terrace]

which HP tho

[naive pendant]

is the main feature of a good motherboard the VRM phases and the amount of capacitors it has?

[vast meadow]

Vrms and expansion/io and memory topology helps with memory overclocking

[hollow thorn]

It's not just about how many you have, it's also about how good the individual stages are, and their layout, on top of io and memory traces and such

[naive pendant]

Yeah

I was under the impression that less capacitors = doubled

[hollow thorn]

Could also be doubler

Well, doubler and twinned

One is using doubler one is just not

Buildzoid has a bunch of VRM videos of you want to get more info @naive pendant

[naive pendant]

Yeah I was told by the guys at the cultists network haha

[hollow thorn]

Lol

Cultist network people are good

[naive pendant]

Mmm

I found them through one of your tier lists for the psu

[daring oyster]

guys looking for mother board for "Corsair Obsidian Series 1000D Super-Tower Case"

[burnt spear]

Whats your budget for the whole build

And what are you using it for

And what do you already have

[daring oyster]

budget: $500-$1000, using it for gaming, MSI MPG Z490

[burnt spear]

F on the mobo

Can you return it?

[cerulean wadi]

10400 & some 10700's are well priced at least.

[burnt spear]

Yeah, but 12400 though

[vast meadow]

What motherboard you should choose depends on the cpu way more, basically any motherboard will fit in that case

[cerulean wadi]

Yea I missed their 1st msg. 400 series, hard no.

[burnt spear]

If you can't return the mobo I'd do this, or look for a used 10700/11600k https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kfsWcb

[burnt juniper]

i have the asus p8h61-m lx3 r2.0 motherboard

what can i do with it

[dense patio]

I currently have 2 x 8GB 2400 MHZ TeamGroup RAM stick in my PC and i would like to get myself a new 32GB kit.
Getting fed up of capping out in Virtual Machines now with my ram limits. Any recommendations for a 32GB kit at all?

I see there are some current recommended kits in the pins but none are 32GB. Are any of them worthwhile to just get 2 kits of or is there a specific 32GB one.

Would be nice to get a kit that's a bit faster too cos i know my current kit is rock bottom pretty much

[hollow thorn]

There is a 2x16 kit in pinned if you want b die, or do you want 32gb sticks?

[grizzled bloom]

Also what CPU do you have?

[dense patio]

What's b die?
I'm looking for get either 2 x 16GB kits or 4 x 8GB sticks pretty much i guess

My CPU is an i7 8700K

[hollow thorn]

Need UK prices?

[dense patio]

Oh yeah that too. UK prices please

[grizzled bloom]

budget?

[dense patio]

I don't really wanna break the bank but i also don't really know what's decent prices on RAM at the moment for something good

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, for reference cheaper kits run around 110 pounds, better ones are closer to 150

[dense patio]

I feel like i'm probably gonna be looking around the £200 mark or something aren't i?

[grizzled bloom]

That's more like b-die range, best of the best

[dense patio]

What is b-die? not a term i've heard before?

[grizzled bloom]

It's the die used on the memory, it's Samsung's best for overclocking but has good stock speeds too

[dense patio]

Oh i guess that might be worth mentioning.
I have no intentions to overclock the RAM. It's going in and calling it good pretty much

[grizzled bloom]

I'm just double checking if your 8700k can handle 3600 speeds without too much tweaking

[dense patio]

Need to know my mobo too or not matter?

[grizzled bloom]

Nah doesn't matter much

This reads as 168 to me but sometimes it shows different in different regions https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B083TRXZ98?tag=pcp0f-21&linkCode=ogi&th=1

[dense patio]

Looks like that's trying to ship from a USA warehouse too so might be cheaper if i find it shiping from a UK location

[grizzled bloom]

It's 168 including import fees, but I'll keep looking

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232907?quicklink=true

[dense patio]

Seems like a nice price but not much of a fan to the looks of it though. The Crucial one i like the look of though for its looks

Cos i'm apprently fussy like that 😂

[cerulean wadi]

That's funny because ballistix

[dense patio]

I feel like i might not be getting something here 👀

[grizzled bloom]

Ballistix is one of the better models, especially that speed

So in this case your taste in looks lines up with one of the better choices of performance

[dense patio]

Ohhh i seee. Well it sounds like that's gonna be the route for me then

[burnt juniper]

i have the asus p8h61-m lx3 r2.0 motherboard
what can i do with it

[dense patio]

Just found it cheaper direct on their website but of course they out of stock
https://uk.crucial.com/memory/ddr4/bl2k16g36c16u4b

[burnt juniper]

have the asus p8h61-m lx3 r2.0 motherboard
what can i do with it

[cerulean wadi]

Yea it's some of the most reliable/compatible, like say using 4 dimms because they don't switch memory dies like some companies. @dense patio exact kit I have I think.

[dense patio]

Ohhh interesting, ok then.
I've had this TeamGroup stuff in my machine since i built it like 3 or 4 years ago and it's done me well but I'm finding that it's just not quite cutting it anymore for me

Seeing as youve said they are so popular thats probably why its not instock anywhere else right now either 😂

[cerulean wadi]

Also discontinued now, but we won't worry about that, lol. Mine was from Ebay actually & has a date code from 2021.

[grizzled bloom]

Crucial discontinued their ballistix line

That's why it's OOS

[dense patio]

Oh dang.
I guess i better make the move then if i want it

[cerulean wadi]

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah for the price/performance you're getting that's still one of your better options, even including import dues

[dense patio]

Probably why the Amazon shipping location is USA too.

What replaced the Ballistix line then?

[grizzled bloom]

Nothing. They're moving on to DDR5

[dense patio]

They still calling it Ballistix for DDR5 or gonna be a new product name i guess

[grizzled bloom]

It doesn't have a name yet

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4LjBD3/crucial-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-4800-cl40-memory-ct2k32g48c40u5

[cerulean wadi]

With the low voltage and all, probably gonna stay w/o heatsink for now like this

[dense patio]

Just going for the ol' bare PCB it seems

Looks pretty nice

[grizzled bloom]

For now. It was the same with DDR4 too, those jedec kits never had heat spreaders

[dense patio]

Ohh. Going with the bare thing to begin with and then improve as they go

[cerulean wadi]

Oh that's right. Didn't start with the famous heatspreaders. Black pcb is slick. Yea 8000+ stuff might need heatspreaders, but Crucial seems like they are sticking to near jedec speeds currently. Lots of money in the commercial market

[dense patio]

I quite like black PCB as well actually

[grizzled bloom]

Yep. Once they figure out the best voltage and timings to use with their new dies they'll push them harder and put heat spreaders on.

Everyone is pretty close to jedec right now, it goes up to 6400. Some just might have tighter timings.

[dense patio]

Is jedec what you call the bare PCB?

[cerulean wadi]

The speeds/timings. Like jedec for ddr4 was around 2166ish

[grizzled bloom]

No jedec is the organization that sets the specs for memory

https://www.jedec.org/

[dense patio]

Ohh kinda like a first benchmarking of it type thing

is what they would do

[grizzled bloom]

When we refer to "jedec speed" we usually refer to speeds that are within or very close to the official spec speeds, and it's usually at the lowest voltage the spec allows.

[cerulean wadi]

Afaik it's partly for high reliability/compatibility because obviously those lower speeds are easier for mobo/cpu. Laptops often have "jedec" speeds or close to it.

[grizzled bloom]

The engineers and other scientists that create the theoretical models for the memory are involved with the organization, and the organization as a whole votes and sets the official specs based on their designs. They're involved from the early prototyping phase.

[cerulean wadi]

Makes me want to try jedec speeds for some benches & feel how bad they actually are. (or just jedec voltage of 1.2 I think & see how much clockspeed below 3600 I'd have to go)

[dense patio]

Interesting

[grizzled bloom]

3200 c22 is official jedec for DDR4

The highest spec at least

[cerulean wadi]

Oh yea huh. 1st 3 speeds matched common ddr3, lol. I mean probably when ddr4 was new.

[grizzled bloom]

Yep, same as DDR5 is now to DDR4

[cursive epoch]

it's just a cycle that repeats

as always

[vast meadow]

Looks like am5 cpus and motherboards will be announced at computex next week

X670E (pcie 5.0 for gpu and nvme), X670(pcie 5.0 for gpu or nvme) and b650(?)(probably same as X670 with more io/expansion) are the chipsets set to be announced

[rose sonnet]

Hey, I got a question on regarding CPUs. Is Intel i9 12900k better than the AMD Ryzen 9 5950x? Let's say for Gaming and using them for anything of the computer.

[rose sonnet]

And also, I currently have ASUS ROG STRIX 580 GPU and running it on a AMD FX 6300 Six Core Processor with a DDR3 motherboard and not sure if I should buy an GIGABYTE VISION RTX 3080 GPU then the CPU or first CPU than the GPU?

[burnt spear]

100% a new cpu, mobo and ram

and youll most likely need a new power supply when you get a new gpu

[rose sonnet]

Alright, and for the GPU, is the one I have a good one? Or would it still run slow in games until I buy another GPU?

[burnt spear]

the gpu is still decent

the cpu is limiting you a lot

[rose sonnet]

Alright

[burnt spear]

whats your budget for the upgrade?

[rose sonnet]

I mean, as long as its 1500 or 2000 less

I am going to buy the AMD Ryzen 9 5950x currently

And a 2TB SSD for a motherboard thats PCIe 4 GEN

But not sure which is a good RGB motherboard

[burnt spear]

are you gaming?

also gen 4 ssds are next to useless if youre gaming

[rose sonnet]

Gaming, Streaming, Coding in VS, and also using some of the Adobe Apps such as Photoshop and Premire Pro

[burnt spear]

do you plan to oc the cpu?

[rose sonnet]

I mean, I am still not sure in what could OC work on the CPU and GPU so not sure if that will be helpful

[burnt spear]

what?

can you say that again, its worded oddly i dont get what you mean

[rose sonnet]

Oh, I mean that I am not too sure on how OC works so I mean that I don't know if it's helpful or not OC the CPU

[burnt spear]

gpu ocing can improve performance a decent bit, cpu ocing less so

[rose sonnet]

Ah alright, so then yea I'll do OCing on it

[burnt spear]

if you dont really know what it is you probably wont end up doing it

[burnt spear]

cpu ocing too?

or just gpu

[rose sonnet]

I mean probably just GPU then

[burnt spear]

alright, one sec

[burnt spear]

what power supply do you have?

also case

[rose sonnet]

On the power supply, I am forgot but its an EVGA 650 watt or I am not sure, let me go find the box and I'll let you know

And about the case, this computer is a prebuilt from CyberPowerPC so I am barely right now getting on building my own custom PC so

I am thinking of buying the thermaltake P5

[burnt spear]

that looks like a terrible case ima be honest

[rose sonnet]

Yea I can't find the box for the PSU that I ordered but I feel I remember its a EEVGA 600/650 Bronze PSU

[burnt spear]

does b5 sound familiar?

[rose sonnet]

Nope

[rose sonnet]

Do you have any case recommendations though, since that's a case I just thought would be nice but I am not sure if there are better looking ones

[burnt spear]

yeah i put one in the list

[rose sonnet]

Alright

[burnt spear]

since youre going to be making a new build, do you want to get the psu now instead of having to change the psu when you get a new gpu?

[rose sonnet]

I mean, what will the price be for the new PSU since even thought I got a 1500-2000 budget, I am trying to see if its worth for me to get the new PSU since I will buying the GPU way later in the future

[burnt spear]

id do something like this, though the aio might be overkill since youre not ocing https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NHtFZw

[rose sonnet]

That seems good, but I am probably going to be going with AMD in the CPU unless Intel is way better in everything

[burnt spear]

12900f is cheaper and same performance

also leaves some room for upgrade

though i doubt youd upgrade from a 12900 to 13900

[rose sonnet]

Alright, I'll be thinking about it and thanks for the list!

[long geyser]

Sadge, dad's 5950x is failing after like a year of stock usage. Fun times

[cursive epoch]

oof

[vast meadow]

Oof are you sure it's the cpu tho? Cpu die be very rare with no oc, anyway amd should rma it for you no problem

[long geyser]

Yeah I'm kinda surprised about it. But yeah I'm 98% sure it CPU. Had a 5800x that worked fine. Multiple BIOS resets/versions (No flashback, it was mildly annoying switching between 5950x and 5800x for flashes/stability testing. Don't want to flash on an unstable CPU or find where the BIOS ROM chip is for external flash) didn't fix 5950x instability issues. Tho, I have yet to test 5950x in another mobo.

[vast meadow]

Dam definitely sounds like a bad chip which is v rare

[cursive epoch]

rare unfortunate case

[rustic oak]

I have a set of 2x8 Ballistix ram (3600) cl16, but they don't seem to produce that exact set anymore. I was looking to upgrade, do i have any options aside from getting an entirely new set?

[vast meadow]

They do have that kit but it's no longer in production, still in stock but you might have to mismatch colours

What country are you in?

[rustic oak]

yeah im fine with mismatch colours

canada

[vast meadow]

They are very overpriced in canada due to 3rd party sellers but if you don't mind doing a bit of tuning you can get the 3200mhz kit and tune it up or just run at 3200
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BxTzK8/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-bl2k8g32c16u4b

[rustic oak]

yeah unfortunately...

can i tune it up though?

[vast meadow]

yeah

i do 3600cl14 on my 3200cl16 kit of ballistix

[dull flint]

Ballistonks

[rustic oak]

ty

ill check that out

[upper rose]

hey how do i let my b550 use all 32gb ram

i have four sticcs

8gb each

they're all detected by the mobo

[burnt spear]

what?

four sticks you mean?

[upper rose]

yeah

my mistake

[burnt spear]

odd

[upper rose]

but srsly

is my bios out of date

[burnt spear]

possible

[upper rose]

oof

[upper rose]

yeah i cant find it

might be a cpu issue

[rose sonnet]

I have a question, is this motherboard compatible with the AMD Ryzen 9 5950x? (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08F9VP2RC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

And if it's not compatible, what are other white/black ATX, and compatible for the AMD Ryzen 9 5950x?

[vast meadow]

If they're all detected then that's it?

[vast meadow]

Yes but you shouldn't be buying a 5950x in 2022, pretty poor choice, what will you be using it for?

[rose sonnet]

Gaming, Overclocking, and other things such as using Google Chrome

And uh I actually bought it yesterday with that motherboard so I think I can't do anything now since it's on its way besides the motherboard.

[vast meadow]

You can just return it/cancel the order if not shipped

[rose sonnet]

The CPU is shipped the motherboard isn't

[vast meadow]

You would be far better doing this with a 12700k or 12900k
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rFc2t8

[vast meadow]

Yeah you can just return/cancel them

[rose sonnet]

Ah alright

[daring oyster]

Looking for motherboard
Budget: $300

[vast meadow]

Whole pc budget 300?

[daring oyster]

no just the motherboard

[vast meadow]

Uh there's no point

What cpu you pairing it with?

[daring oyster]

intel core i7

[vast meadow]

12700k?

Do you want to overclock?

WiFi?

[daring oyster]

11700k
no overclocking

[vast meadow]

Don't go 11700k

Go 12700 or 12700f then

With msi b660m mortar

[daring oyster]

thanks

[burnt spear]

Are you making a full new build?

If so, what's the budget and what have you already bought

[daring oyster]

no thanks Bacca

[teal junco]

i have a dell inspiron laptop the momery i want is on this site model 15-3521 crucial memory 8 GB 204 Pin DDR3 SO-dimm DDr3l 1600 (pc3l 12800 item number is CT102464bf160b

[drowsy nymph]

It should work.

[teal junco]

ok so i can order it and it will work

[drowsy nymph]

I'm not promising anything because sometimes laptops are weird but the specs match correctly so it "should" work.

I see no reason why it wouldn't.

https://www.newegg.com/p/1B4-00M3-002V9?item=9SIAM4SHR83556&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-_-accessories - general-_-crucial-_-9SIAM4SHR83556&source=region****

[teal junco]

ok Thanks first time here

[drowsy nymph]

No problem, and welcome.

[rose sonnet]

Can all ASUS motherboards work with ICUE? Such as the ASUS ROG STRIX B550-A?

[vital field]

believe all or most strix boards, dont know about other asus products though

there should be an icue compatible though on their site for the board

gpu's as well iirc

[rose sonnet]

Ah, I checked the site for the motherboard and it only mentions ASUS AURA and Armoury Crate but not ICUE

[vital field]

so as far as i can tell, i believe all "aura read" motherobards are supported by icue

[rose sonnet]

Ah, alright

[vital field]

however you need to install asus's rgb software as well, Aura, but it can be controlled by icue

[rose sonnet]

Ah alright, and how will I connect the ICUE device I think its Corsair ICUE Commander XT (https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-|-Parts/CORSAIR-iCUE-COMMANDER-CORE-XT-Smart-RGB-Lighting-and-Fan-Speed-Controller/p/CL-9011112-WW) to the ASUS ROG STRIX Motherboard B550-A. Is it the 4 pin it has on the top?

https://gyazo.com/9d20ee311fbcfcd31e6d28d8a1710c7b

White one

[vital field]

no, those are fans and a rgb header

[rose sonnet]

Ah

[vital field]

for the corsair device, you would connect it to the usb 2.0, normally found at the bottom of the motherobard

normally looks like this, yours may have a black shroud instead of blue

[rose sonnet]

Oh

https://gyazo.com/200c3e7b3253471f4184fff649fb4bc4

Yea I think I know which one you mean

[vital field]

ye, the two on the right that are identical

[rose sonnet]

The black box

Alright

Thanks for letting me know!

[vital field]

ye np, and obv the sata power plugs into the sata connecter cable on the psu

[south badge]

Asking for advice: A while back I purchased this motherboard and memory combo . I would like to buy another four 8GB memory modules that are compatible with this motherboard and memory. Could someone recommend memory that will work especially with the overclocking that this system allows? I can't find the exact model used or new so I have to find an equivalent but I don't trust that I'll select the same quality.

G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 2800 (PC4 22400) Extreme Performance Memory Kit Model F4-2800C16Q-32GRK

ASUS X99-DELUXE/U3.1motherboard

Thanks!

[finite elm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qy4zPX

Would this be a good upgrade for someone who currently has a 9600k? just making sure.

[cerulean wadi]

Someone else probably knows more, but I'll give some quick input. Ok so the tough thing is maybe finding good 1.2v stuff as that is. What I did easily find was "average" 1.35v cL 16 stuff that you could perhaps undervolt (downclocking it to 2800 would be ez at least also). Other brands might work also. https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#m=17&S=2800,3200&Z=32768004&L=160,220&sort=price&t=14&U=4&B=1100000000,1400000000&X=0,14000

[finite elm]

not sure if they need ram, I put it just to be safe. unsure on what they were given in the prebuilt (CyberpowerPC) sometimes they do good and sometimes they cheap out.

so 12400 + Asus PRIME B660M-A D4. essentially.

[rose sonnet]

Hey, I got a question. I bought a ASUS ROG STRIX B550-A motherboard and I bought Corsair Venegeance 2 x 16gb memory with 3600Mhz and the motherboard says the speed of memory is 2666Mhz, will it affect the motherboard?

[cursive epoch]

No

You just have to turn xmp/docp on

Without the profile enabled, it'll only run at 2666

[rose sonnet]

Ah, Alright

Thanks for letting me know!

[polar pumice]

I'm starting my own homelab here with a server. It's currently got 8 sticks of M393B5270DH0-YH9 RAM, which is 4GB DDR3-1333 RDIMM PC3L-10600R.
I've also bought 4 sticks of MT36JSZF51272PZ-1G4, which is 8GB DDR3-1333 RDIMM PC3-10600R.
They are both labeled as 1.35V and CL9.

I know one set is PC3 and another is PC3L; not to mention different sizes. Is it possible to mix these two sets without issues? If not, which set should I go with?

The only difference between PC3 and PC3L I can find online is voltage, but the specs say both sets run on 1.35V

[upper rose]

yeah do i need to make all 32gb ram accessible to win11?

or how can i, pato?

[whole oasis]

Quick and newbie question i have a pc and i want to add some Memory ram on my gigabyte z390 gaming x, i already have 8gb 2400mhz i forgot the brand, i am planning to buy another 8gb with the same mhz.. do you think it is okay or its compatible?

Or can i get a 8gb with a higher mhz..

[cyan raft]

If adding ram, you want the 2nd stick to be the exact same model as the other stick

But you should look into upgrading your ram because 2400mHz is really slow

[cursive epoch]

^

[whole oasis]

What MHz do you think is good?

[vast meadow]

You slot it in there's nothing you need to do, if it's not being detected then the motherboard has dead ram slots or the new ram kit is dead, take out the old kit and see if the pc turns on with the new kit in slots 2+4, if it posts then 2 of your motherboards ram slots are dead and going to have to talk to your motherboard manufacturer

[vast meadow]

Honestly you're better off just getting a 2x8gb kit of 3200cl16 and selling the 8gb stick of 2400

Especially considering it's only 50$ for a 16gb faster matching kit

[whole oasis]

What brand do you can you suggest?

[vast meadow]

What country are you in?

[whole oasis]

I am form the Philippines

[vast meadow]

Ah, just the cheapest 3000mhz cl 15/16 or 3200mhz cl 16 kit brand doesn't matter

[upper rose]

it is detected but not used by windows

[daring raft]

can an a320 handle a 5600g

[vast meadow]

That's a good thing, if you open more stuff it'll use more ram

[vast meadow]

Noooo

[vernal cosmos]

wellllllll

depends but nah

[daring raft]

damnit

hb a b550

[vernal cosmos]

bro a chipset just defines number of pcie lanes and stuff

if u dont tell us the board, we cant help

[burnt spear]

What's your budget, what do you already have, what are you using it for

[daring raft]

for a mobo i have like 150dollars for the entire pc like 1500 , my current setup is an a320 and a 3200g planning on upgrading sometime this year, im gonna use it for gaming, recording and editing

[burnt spear]

Don't get a 5600g

[daring raft]

what should i get

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fXMspH

That's an option

Oh wait, actually

One sec

Do you need the motherboard to have wifi?

[daring raft]

what does wifi mobo do?

[burnt spear]

Means there's wifi built into the mobo

Instead of needing ethernet or an external wifi card

But ethernet is better

Are you going to use ethernet?

Anyways, I'd do one of these https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7KbBqm

I forgot to put ram in the first one, so just take the link from the second one

[daring raft]

yes

[burnt spear]

Alr then you can use this instead of either of that board for either of the lists https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KKbTwP/msi-pro-b660m-a-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660m-a-ddr4

[daring raft]

wait wtf howd u fit a 3070 in the budget

[burnt spear]

1500 is fairly close to being able to fit a 3080

1650 would be

[daring raft]

ohh ic ic

thanks again

[burnt spear]

Np

And just to explain, 5600g is an apu, meaning it has worse cpu performance to fit an igpu in it

So it's not good to get an apu if you're getting a gpu

[daring raft]

ohh i see

[wheat tapir]

does anyone know any good ram with a ram height under 32mm

preferably 3600 and cl16

[grizzled bloom]

32mm? Sheesh, even Corsair LPX is 34mm and that's the shortest I know that still has a heat spreader

[cerulean wadi]

Something w/ no heat spreader?

[wheat tapir]

yeah im trying to use NH-D15 and it has a 32mm ram clearance with dual fan

but seeing this my best option is probably to switch cpu coolers

[cerulean wadi]

Nah. For example I read ballistix would be 39mm tall but installed height is 32.5mm because ram height doesn't count when it's lowered into a slot.@wheat tapir 2nd pic just neat to show how lpx actually is pretty short

[wheat tapir]

ah interesting, i was watching a video on the cooler and i saw people putting ram that was taller than the height limit but the cooler still fit, makes sense now

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it sounds like your cooler spec is accounting for slot height and the memory spec is not

[cerulean wadi]

Bingo. Lpx or similar just maybe easier to install if hsf was already in place. Also a pic to remind us of pcb size itself & my old kingston heat spreader is about as low as we can get (2mm above pcb)

[hollow thorn]

do remember you can prob move the second fan up for a couple of mm, and sticks without a heatspreader like aegis should fit just fine

[cerulean wadi]

I'd say ram choice isn't bad if we didn't need that big stock fan. Btw here's a pic w/ ballistix. Edit: should mention case, lol

[hollow thorn]

am d15 owner, you can also put the second fan to the back if you have enough room in your case and your IO isn't too tall

[vast meadow]

With that height you're looking at 3200cl16 at the max

[hollow thorn]

To add onto Convo last time:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-4-ryzen-7000-technical-details/
There are 28 total lanes from the CPU, all Gen 5, of which 4 are peeled off for downlink to the chipset and the remaining 24 are available to the user. On X670 Extreme that means graphics operates at x16 Gen 5 or x8/x8 Gen 5, and there's one M.2 NVMe x4 Gen 5. On the X670 (non-Extreme) only the M.2 NVMe slot is required to be Gen 5, the top slot for graphics will optionally be Gen 5. On B650, only M.2 storage will be Gen 5. Of course, other components, like companion controllers or additional NVMe devices, can connect to Gen 5 on the CPU.

[rose sonnet]

Hey, I got the Corsair 7000x Case and also bought a B550-A ASUS motherboard but when I checked in PCPARTSPICKER, it says this

https://gyazo.com/9998bf9eb74b77f6bce7ef794b981a08

Will this affect the build or I have to change the motherboard

[grizzled bloom]

Do you have the pcpartpicker link?
The motherboard probably just doesn't have enough USB 3 headers for your chosen parts.
And the second one is saying the board doesn't have the correct header for the USB C port on the case.

[rose sonnet]

No I just did a quick pcpartpicker image but then deleted the link buy I could make another one with the things I have bought for my pc

But the 7000X case did come with 1 corsair icue ccxt

And I got another ccxt from the cpu cooler from corsair

[grizzled bloom]

That wouldn't have anything to do with it since they don't use USB headers

You'll be able to build without any adapters and all but you won't be able to use some of the USB ports on the case

Yeah that motherboard only has one 3.2 header so you'd be able to use 2 of the 5 ports

[rose sonnet]

Ah, will that affect my build or no

Since I am running AMD Ryzen 9 5950x, Corsair ICUR H150i Elite Capellix , 2 ICUE CCXTs, and that should be mostly all

[grizzled bloom]

That's up to you, do you need more than 2 front USB ports? Or the C port for VR headset or something?

[rose sonnet]

Oh in the case

Yea I will be needing almost everything that the case has on front to run USBs or anything

[grizzled bloom]

In that case I'd recommend returning the mobo and getting one with the 2x USB 3 headers and the header for the C port

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nHxbt6/gigabyte-x570-aorus-elite-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-aorus-elite

[rose sonnet]

That seems good but is it ICUE compatible?

And is there one in white?

Since I want to do all ICUE compatible and run my RX 580 GPU using ICUE but I think I heard I need an ASUS ROG MB to run my GPU in RGB

[grizzled bloom]

You don't need Asus to use iCue

And the GPU is totally separate

[grizzled bloom]

There's this one if you want more white https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KnLFf7/nzxt-n7-b550-atx-am4-motherboard-n7-b55xt-w1

AMD boards with the USB headers you need are pretty rare to start with, and adding the need for white accents adds a lot to the cost because it's even more rare

[rose sonnet]

Ah I see

[rose sonnet]

Is that mb also compatible with the other items I have bought

Or let me make a pcpartpicker of all the things I bought

[rose sonnet]

This is all my things I purchased https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NPtXRv

[grizzled bloom]

Yes 100% compatible

[rose sonnet]

Ah alright I just need the other motherboard to run all the case usbs then

[grizzled bloom]

Yes you'd need to swap your current motherboard for either of the ones I linked to take full advantage of the case USBs

[rose sonnet]

Alright, thanks for the motherboard link!

[rose sonnet]

Just bought the NZXT motherboard, and I will be returning my current one to Amazon

Thanks for the help!

And question

I will still have to install Windows 11 into it?

And update it or this time no updating the BIOS just installing Windows 11

[grizzled bloom]

Windows 10 will work if that's what you mean

But yeah it should do 11 out of the box too

[rose sonnet]

Oh, I want to do Windows 11

[rose sonnet]

Alright

[rose sonnet]

Oh wait, so its mostly compatible with Windows 10? Since I am trying to do it with Windows 11 but do I have to update the BIOS so it runs W11? Disregard this question, I saw an entire page they had on how to enable support for Windows 11 for that motherboard

[errant knoll]

Hi guys! I just need some advice from y'all, what should I buy, amd ryzen 5600g, or amd ryzen 7 4750g pro?? Same price here in my country. Tia!

[limber dragon]

5600g

zen2 to zen3 is a massive jump

[errant knoll]

Ok thanks!

[dim cloak]

If you already have a gpu then going for an apu isn't the best move

[echo flume]

i have 2x4 2333 ram,i want to upgrade to 2x8 3200ram,i have 4 ram slots should i put it together or just the 3200?

[vast meadow]

Just the 3200

[dim cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HXFbt6/biostar-z690gta-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690gta any idea how well the vrms are on this?

[vast meadow]

Biostar level

[burnt spear]

No

Not to your question

No to the motherboard

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah biostar should be avoided at all costs unless you're doing an extreme budget build and it's on sale

I'd rather have a half decent B660 over a biostar Z690

[burnt spear]

A Biostar mobo came in the skytech build i got

Died after three months

Vrms were struggling with a 3600 lmao

[vernal cosmos]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-brings-bclk-oc-pcie-50-to-intel-b660-ddr4-motherboard

hmmm

[dim cloak]

just wondering cause i might do a 12th gen I3 build with it for a friend just playing lighter end games on a tighter budget and i was gonna dump a little of my own money for a board

[grim marten]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144522?nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Future+Publishing+Ltd&AFFID=2294204&AFFNAME=Future+Publishing+Ltd&ACRID=19805787294&ASUBID=pcg-us-2331284021849925600&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcgamer.com%2Fbest-gaming-motherboards%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2294204&ranSiteID=kXQk6.ivFEQ-JLWsknYqWOqO7eRbddm_eg does this motherboard support 9th. genintel or only 12 gen intel

[burnt spear]

only 12th, do you already own the 9th gen cpu?

[cerulean wadi]

9/8 gen use 300/200 series mobo @grim marten but of course we wouldn't suggest buying a 9th gen cpu nowadays so let us know

[eternal turtle]

not 200 series

[cerulean wadi]

oh that's 6/7th. Thnx a lot intel, just 300 series for 8/9gen.

[vast meadow]

Nah just get them a msi b660 a pro for 130

[cyan raft]

Well technically it can support 9th gen with a pin mod

[grim marten]

Yes, I already have a 9th gen intel

[frosty depot]

Is there a program that I can put a specific load on my cpu? Example: I want to see how much load I can put on my cpu at a certain temp target... so say like I want to see how much load my cpu could take at 50c.. Or maybe something that I can set the amount of load that I want?
I know it's weird, but just a thought.

[cursive epoch]

No

Not really, I don't think there is

[long geyser]

Technically lot of programs do, just not very intuitive. P95 can change workload and thread customization, OCCT has more basic workload and thread customization, etc. Prolly just want to make random adjustments until you reach a certain power target, then see what temps that gets you

[cursive epoch]

ye

There's no straightforward way to do it

[limber dragon]

occt uses p95 for the load testing

[long geyser]

Yeah. Tho IMO still doesnt have as nice customization for that task

[floral oracle]

Can anyone help me. I order a gaming pc two weeks ago and I decided to upgrade the one stick of ddr4 8gbs of ram to two sticks of ddr4 16gbs (8gbs+8gbs) of ram. When I turn it on my monitor says there’s no signal. What should I do?

[burnt spear]

make sure the ram is fully in

[floral oracle]

Yeah both of the sticks are clip in

[burnt spear]

which slots are they in?

can you take a picture?

[floral oracle]

2nd and 4th

Yeah I can

[vital field]

did you clear the xmp or oc before installing the new ram?

[latent osprey]

would the msi pro b660m be recommended for a 12400f at budget

I can get both for under 450cad

[vast meadow]

yes

nice board

make sure you go ddr4 variant

[night hatch]

LGA1700 boards are pretty costly here in Canada

On the US site this is 119$ but for Canada https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813162045

[burnt spear]

eh, not really

depends what you look at

some, sure

[night hatch]

Well the cheapest here that isn't a H610 is 135 that i am seeing

And looks cheap looking

[burnt spear]

what cpu are you planning to run?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/yZPQzy/asus-prime-b660m-a-d4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-prime-b660m-a-d4 this is a decent b660

will run a 12700 fine

[night hatch]

For myself i would be running a 12300

[burnt spear]

that doesnt exist?

did you mean 12400?

[night hatch]

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/223095/intel-core-i312300-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html

[burnt spear]

tbh i wouldnt upgrade from an 11400 atm

[night hatch]

What was that

[burnt spear]

and definitely not a 12300, ive never seen this before

[night hatch]

RandomgaminginHD ran a bunch of video's with the i3 12300

[long geyser]

unlocked PL 11400 is way better then locked PL 11400
closes the 11400 vs 12100 gap by quite a bit in gaming

[night hatch]

Also who said i was upgrading

a i3 build would be a secondary build

[burnt spear]

ah

id just go 12100 then

out of curiosity

what do people use secondary builds for?

[night hatch]

Depends on what they want to do with it

For me it would be a living room gaming setup

I have this in my living room now but does have a harder time with newer titles https://www.gigabyte.com/ca/Mini-PcBarebone/GB-BXA8G-8890-rev-10#ov

I tried playing Final Fantasy VII Remake on that which i was getting like 10fps lol

So for myself i would build an i3 system with something like a RX 5500/5600 or 1660 super just for controller based games only

[burnt spear]

ah

could maybe do smthn like this https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/pQ8ZQ6

might be better options for the psu

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/hTdqd9 there we go

i believe B tier psu

[night hatch]

I actually found some people in my area selling a RX 5500 XT 8gb card for 275$ to 340$

[grizzled bloom]

Not worth

[night hatch]

Canadian

[grizzled bloom]

I understand that

[night hatch]

Sure it wont perform as good as a 6600 but it will be a couch gaming system for my living room so

And spending as little as possible for me is important which is why i am aiming for an i3

[burnt spear]

look for a 1650 or smthn like that

5500xt is on par with a 1650 i believe

570 4gb, 1650 super

[grizzled bloom]

You can get the 6500 XT with a 12th gen Intel for 250 CAD and it'll be better than the 5500 XT

[night hatch]

5500 XT was on par with the 1650 Super

Ya i could do that as well

and Final Fantasy VII Remake is a little too demanding i find to use a 1650

[night hatch]

Ya ill go for the 6500 XT instead cause after looking at some games with that and a 12100 for God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn it plays out well

[grizzled bloom]

Just make sure it's at least a PCIe 4.0 system, so Intel 11th gen with 600 series chipset or AMD 5000 with 500 series chipset minimum.
Otherwise, a 3.0 system will damage the GPUs performance.

[night hatch]

Well the build will be with a i3 12100

So of course it would be Gen4

[grizzled bloom]

Yep 12th gen meets that requirement, just making sure you're aware

[carmine lynx]

What is considered a bad temp for a cpu?

[burnt spear]

90

[burnt spear]

Supposedly intel has cache stacking lined up for 14th gen

[finite elm]

I can't find any gaming benchmarks with the Pentium 8500 lol

[scenic solar]

If I set a manual voltage of (example) 1.3v on my CPU, will it ALWAYS use 1.3 even at 1% load?

Only the current (ampere) changes...?

[cerulean wadi]

Depends on the "speedstep" settings or w/e. Should/could still go to 900mV-ish at idle.

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on your LLC setting. It'll droop under load still but higher LLC can do a lot less droop at the cost of higher power draw and heat.

[scenic solar]

So even with manual voltage it can drop
Looks good because 1.3v look unnecessary with CPU at idle

[cerulean wadi]

Well just check w/ hwinfo or w/e. The downvolting at idle is same as gpus usually do.

[sweet otter]

Can someone explain why only one of my g.skillz rams rgb is working? I checked and it’s running what it suppose to be running. But, the g.skillz program only picks up one stick.

[vast meadow]

try reseating it

[sweet otter]

I’ve tried that. I’ve also tried switching them, but it’s the same slot every time. So, I’m guessing it’s a motherboard problem.

[burnt spear]

Try the other two slots

As in, if you're using 2 and 4 switch to 1 and 3

[sweet otter]

Ok, I’ll try right now

[burnt spear]

Does sound like a mobo issue though

Could try rmaing it if that doesn't work

[sweet otter]

So I tried switching them to slot 1 and 3. But, it’s the same side of ram that’s not working. So neither A1 or A2 are picking up and rgb signal.

Do you think a bios update would fix that?

[burnt spear]

possible

cant hurt to try

[finite elm]

Bacca, which should I get

[sweet otter]

No dice

[burnt spear]

loki 6600u imo

[finite elm]

Thats what I was thinking

if they have it at 25W it should give better performance than the Steam Deck. and with it running windows I could make it a portable Xbox with the Xbox app as the 6600u is optimized for windows unlike Aerith. xD

6C/12T Zen3+ with 6 RDNA2 CU's(Dunno the max Wattage yet) vs 4C/8T Zen2 with 8 RDNA2 CU's (max 15W)

I have a Steam Deck, but I wanna try others.

[sweet otter]

So, I’ve done everything I can, Bacca. Should I just rma it and hope for the best? Or do you have any other ideas on the matter?

[burnt spear]

id rma it yeah

i guess it could also be cpu?

@stiff kraken is that right? only one ram stick working could be cpu, right? just rare

[stiff kraken]

yeah it's possible for a memory channel on the cpu to be dead

[burnt spear]

they work individually, in slots 2 and 4 and 1 and 3

only one works at a time

if possible id see if a friend has a cpu you could borrow to test if its the cpu

[sweet otter]

Well, both of the sticks work. They both light up, they both end up having 32GB total. It’s just that the RGB isn’t working on A1 and A2.

[burnt spear]

oh

[sweet otter]

Sorry, I thought I made that clear.

[burnt spear]

then i wouldnt worry about it

if the ram is working, its working

if its the rgb, thats probably just the stick

could try openrgb

[sweet otter]

That’s the thing though. I took the stick from B2 and moved it to A2. But, A2’s rgb still didn’t work. Even after switching them.

[burnt spear]

idk

thats very different

[sweet otter]

Well, thanks anyway. Sorry that I put you through a wild goose chase.

[burnt spear]

dw about it

[vast meadow]

If you can add more storage the 128 and buy your own m.2 or whatever

[finite elm]

the 128gb only has 8gb DDR5, the 256 has 16GB DDR5

[vast meadow]

Oof i guess 256gb then

[finite elm]

ye lol

will only be 529$ for me since I have an Odin Pro. Loyalty perk.

[scenic solar]

I need someone that can help me undervolt my CPU

-CPU: R5 3600x @3800MHz (want to bring it up to 4.4 or more)

-MSI B550 gaming plus with MSI click bios 5

I also have a question about max boost
Max boost for 3600x is 4.4GHz but what does that mean? Is that a limit because it gets too hot over 4.4? Or what?

[burnt spear]

Could just use throttlestop I believe

[scenic solar]

I know you can use offset or a manual voltage to undervolt but what's the main difference

Does offset affect the base "curve"?
And manual voltage uses a constant voltage....right?

[burnt spear]

I believe manual allows it to consume more, but isn't constant

If it was constant the cpu would die after a year

[scenic solar]

Oh
What should I use?

[burnt spear]

Depends what you want to

A lot of people use a combination of pbo and undervolting

[scenic solar]

I just want to overclock and undervolt so I can get better performance and better temperatures

[scenic solar]

anyone that can help me with overclock + undervolt? i watched a few videos but they're all different and only few explain how to undervolt on msi bios

^ Running cinebench for some temperature test

Other info that may be useful

Up to 76C is a lot

[burnt spear]

76c isn't hot

If under load

[scenic solar]

Yes it is for arctic freezer 34 eSports duo

[burnt spear]

I mean

Depends on your case, number of fans, thermal paste, how well you applied it

[scenic solar]

I know it is a good temperature but my room becomes an oven

[scenic solar]

Case: Corsair 465x
Fans: 4*LL120
thermal paste: good

[burnt spear]

Is that a solid front panel

I have terrible connection and Google won't let me click on the picture

[scenic solar]

it has some big gaps on the side

[burnt spear]

Is the actual front of the panel solid?

[scenic solar]

it is a good case overall, fans are a bit loud

[burnt spear]

If its got a solid front panel I'd disagree

[scenic solar]

glass? what do you mean

[burnt spear]

The gaps on the side don't let in as much air as you'd think

[burnt spear]

Pato or rawr or someone could explain it better than I could

But thats your issue with Temps, could still undervolt though

[vernal cosmos]

I detected my name

[burnt spear]

Maybe adding some fans as top/back exhaust would help

[vernal cosmos]

why hath I been summoned

[burnt spear]

Can you explain why that case with the gaps on the side of the front panel is still not good? I don't know enough about airflow to explain it properly

[scenic solar]

yeah i know

top back fan doesnt fit because of cpu cable

ok, airflow is not really good but... how do i do this damn undervolt

[latent osprey]

would the asrock b660 steel legend be a good board for the 12400f

it’s only 140cad rn with rebate

[burnt spear]

For the price it's fine

[latent osprey]

I’ve been trying to avoid asrock a bit bc the prices seem a bit too low but this one’s 240msrp

[burnt spear]

Price doesn't mean it's good

Asrock boards tend to have meh vrms, that ones good enough for a 12400

[latent osprey]

nice

I’ve been trying to kee it under 500 for both cpu and mobo

This one fits at 450 total

[burnt spear]

Normally I'd recc asus prime for Canada, but thats a nice deal

[latent osprey]

ofc but rn lga1700 mobos are ridiculously overpriced here

[burnt spear]

What's your budget for the whole build?

[latent osprey]

it’s either get this or wait until prices hopefully drop with next Ryzen gen

[latent osprey]

around 1200$ but I alrd have a 1080ti

[scenic solar]

@vernal cosmos or @vast meadow maybe you can help me with undervolt + OC? this is how i would do it (tell me if that's good) 1. (after writing down voltage/clocks/temps) get into bios and set cpu multiplier to 4.4GHz (boost clock for 3600x) 2. by using offset mode i subtract .5v each time until system crashes 3. after it crashes i can either lower the clock by (100)mhz or add .x volts. are there other settings i should change? or can i try this way?

[latent osprey]

so basically 700/800$

[burnt spear]

Is 1200 including what the 1080 ti cost you?

Kk one sec

You have any other parts yet?

[latent osprey]

nah that’s it

I alrd have peripherals but just need cpu, cooler, ram, mobo, ssd, psu and case if I remember

I alrd have a WiFi card

[scenic solar]

ASKING PATO 👀

[latent osprey]

pato is a god so probably😅

[burnt spear]

I'd do something like this https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/m49n2m

Make sure the mobo you want fits the case though

That's the only thing I'm not sure on

[latent osprey]

mhm

doubt any mobo won’t fit a Lian li case but thx regardless

[burnt spear]

I mean

[latent osprey]

lmao

[scenic solar]

bruh... every techie is idle on discord

[burnt spear]

Mobos and cases have multiple form factors

Itx, atx, mini itx

Just make sure the size of the mobo is atx or smaller

Could also get 32gb ram instead

Def within your budget

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/kXbkcf/gskill-memory-f43200c16d32gvk

[scenic solar]

@burnt spear since you were asking for case airflow (almost on top) corsair x465

stock, that means no back fan included

[burnt spear]

I have a hard time believing that tbh

[scenic solar]

im sure my room temperature is kinda high

[burnt spear]

Solid front panels destroy airflow

[scenic solar]

https://youtu.be/uC-4AK8FyzM check after min. 10:00

[scenic solar]

even with a 2.5cm gap on both sides?

mmmhh

[burnt spear]

maybe im wrong about the way the fans pull air from, as i said i dont know as much about airflow as some other people

[vernal cosmos]

@scenic solar this is because even tho there is airflow, its restricted since theres a smaller opening to a large opening. So overall amount of air that can be pushed decreases because size of hole is going down

[vernal cosmos]

imo dont bother

turn pbo on and forget about it

if u really wanted to oc that chip at an undervolt tho, id do fit testing, then go slightly below the fit voltage and turn up clocks slowly

[scenic solar]

PBO does nothing in my case

That's why I wanted to try undervolting

https://youtu.be/CVJqgJX9SP8
I'll probably follow the guide from the Indian guy

I'll set clock to 4.4GHz and already drop the voltage a bit

Then I'll keep dropping the voltage until the system is not stable

Nothing else, hope the temperatures will be better

[hollow thorn]

Get to the torture test that actually shows scaling and you see it at the middle of the pack, good for solid front, meh compared to mesh cases

Also, I think this is before GN reviewed p400a p500a 4000d td500 mesh etc and all of those would win out

Wait p400a is up there but the rest stands

[cyan raft]

Yeah, I was wondering why those aren’t on there

[hollow thorn]

And later in the video GN shows the still 4c improvement with removing the front panel

My screenshots won't look very good since mobile screenshots wacky

But it's around 11-12 min into the vid

[scenic solar]

@vernal cosmos which one is better for undervolt? (Or it depends?) offset (-0.X volt) or manual (1.X volt)?

Is there one that works better in some cases or it doesn't matter much?

Is this good?

I'm dropping it by .100 because it shouldn't crash (by watching people setting even lower voltages on 3000 ryzens)

@vernal cosmos

Do I have to change "override CPU core voltage"? Or leave it to auto?

[scenic solar]

Actually...
I want to oc to 4.4 first

Using the base voltage

And then drop it

Do I OC it by changing the multiplier to 44?

I'll try 4.2 first

[naive pendant]

What’s a good motherboard for the Ryzen 9 5900

[burnt spear]

Do you already have the cpu

And where do you live

[vernal cosmos]

whats ur fit voltage?

[scenic solar]

You mean the base voltage?

[vernal cosmos]

no

i mean fit voltage

[scenic solar]

(now I'm ressetting CMOS because it crashes)

[vernal cosmos]

Do you know how to test for fit voltage?

[scenic solar]

No

Don't even know what that is

[vernal cosmos]

Ok now ill explain

set all oc options in bios to auto

dont set any voltages or frequencies

Now enable PBO and XMP/DOCP whatever they call it in ur mobo

boot to windows

download prime95 and install it

download hwinfo and install it

open hwinfo on sensors only

[scenic solar]

Wait a sec I'm setting fan curve to normal

[vernal cosmos]

then find the cpu voltage sensor called SVI2 TFN

thats the only sensor we are interested in

not soc svi2 tfn

cpu svi2 tfn

Now keep an eye on this sensor and start prime 95

[scenic solar]

Like what? Everything to default?

[vernal cosmos]

choose small ffts test

[vernal cosmos]

yes

all OC options

[scenic solar]

Can I set xmp for ram

[vernal cosmos]

read the next line

[scenic solar]

All default

Ok

Sorry

[vernal cosmos]

keep ur questions till u read the whole thing

then ask

[vernal cosmos]

ok so after this

start the test

wait 15 to 20 mins

[vernal cosmos]

keep an eye on this voltage

average and max is not important

u want current voltage

it will keep changing

after 15 mins or so it will stop changing and settle at one voltage

[scenic solar]

Can't find pbo xmp and docp

[vernal cosmos]

when it hasnt changed for like 2 mins, note down current voltage

[vernal cosmos]

cant help u with that one

[vernal cosmos]

this voltage is your fit voltage

once you have this, ping me

[scenic solar]

Found pbo

There are many modes

Just enabled?

[vernal cosmos]

yes

[scenic solar]

There is onl A-XMP

The one that changes ram freq

Profile 1 or 2

[vernal cosmos]

thats it

[scenic solar]

They're the same

[vernal cosmos]

doesnt matter

[scenic solar]

Already installed it, now I have to go 😐
I'll be back in maybe one hour

Bruh

[scenic solar]

Got that, too

[vernal cosmos]

dont ping pls

if u have done a step already just do the next one

[scenic solar]

Ok

[naive pendant]

What’s a good motherboard for the Ryzen 9 5900

Is the ASUS ROG Strix X570-E any good

[burnt spear]

I asked you earlier

Do you already have the cpu

And what country do you live in

[naive pendant]

United States wdym you asked me earlier I just joined the server

[burnt spear]

.

[naive pendant]

Not yet

Wait wdym I literally just joined server yesterday

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[burnt spear]

You asked twice

Once earlier

[grizzled bloom]

It's not worth getting Ryzen over 12th gen Intel right now

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qGW6nL

12700f=5900x but is cheaper

As for cooler, ak620 is fine. If you want an aio, clc 280 or liquid freezer ii 280/360

[scenic solar]

There are 2 small ffts tests

Sorry if i tagged you but I can't continue if I don't know which test I have to start

[vernal cosmos]

sir one says smallest ffts

the other says small ffts

[scenic solar]

I'm dumb

Lol

[scenic solar]

Is it normal to run at 83C (arctic freezer 34 eSports duo)?

It's stressing the CPU like hell

Core 5 is always the hottest

Btw now the voltage fluctuates between 1.212 & 1.231

[grizzled bloom]

P95 is meant to be the hottest, most stressful test

If you're below 90 in P95 that's a win

[scenic solar]

The case is open too and my legs are baking

The worst temperature I saw today was 100C with 4.4GHz @stock voltage

And the worst I've seen was my pc not booting into anything

@vernal cosmos it's been 15+ minutes, it keeps going from 1.212 to 1.231

[scenic solar]

😎

[vernal cosmos]

then keep waiting

i said itll take around 15 mins not exactly 15 mins

[scenic solar]

I waited a lot

30min

Always .212 and .232

[vernal cosmos]

then ig for undervolt set voltage at 1.2V

no offset

and go from there

try 4ghz

and keep going till unstable

[scenic solar]

You mean increasing frequency

So 1.2v 4GHz will stay cool and gain performance?

Btw I have to try that tomorrow because it is 11pm

[scenic solar]

Manual 1.2

Ok

NO offset

[vernal cosmos]

that would be the easiest

yes

[scenic solar]

So the CPU will always stay around 1.2v @4GHz if stable

Only 1.2

Mmmh

I'm not sure if it will be stable because by subtracting just .1v @4.4GHz it crashed

[vernal cosmos]

thats why i said start at 4ghz

your chip probably isnt good enough for uv oc

[wispy thorn]

Are there any ddr5(ram) AMD motherboards?

Guess not ):

[dull flint]

not yet, am5 will

[wispy thorn]

Alright guess I’ll wait till then

[grizzled bloom]

Won't have to wait too long. Reports indicate Q3 launch, so August-September seems likely.

[cursive epoch]

raptor lake is apparently rumored to launch in october

things will be interesting if true

i wanna see it pitted against ryzen 7000

[grizzled bloom]

Leaks I've seen indicate they'll be VERY competitive. AMD will just have more cores.

I saw some estimates that 7000 will have 20% better IPC over Alder Lake

[cursive epoch]

hm

[limber dragon]

7000 specs from amd seem like garbage if you do the math though

[grizzled bloom]

I'm not talking about anything AMD has said officially. We all know that's garbage. Like how they said one clock speed, and then immediately showed another entirely.

[finite elm]

I'm just finding it funny how they added IGPU to all the 7000 series, but it'll only be 2 RDNA2 CU's lol

same as the budget Mendocino CPU's

[grizzled bloom]

That's better than nothing. And I'm sure there will be models with more.

[finite elm]

Yeah for sure. Also higher tdp than the mobile cpus so could probably push them a bit harder.

[vast meadow]

Looks like zen 4 ihs has 30% less than zen 1-3
https://youtu.be/-5vU-7SPhhA

[scenic solar]

Usually the CPU at base clock (3800MHz) gets up to 4100MHz, but I don't know if that's some sort of boost or what...
Will this boost apply also to 4GHz 1.2v?

These are the options I get

[grizzled bloom]

Override mode

Since you're trying to lock it

[scenic solar]

Oke

Pc booted fine at 1.2v 4.0GHz

Let's benchmark

Ok, cinebench r23 results look ok
Less score than base voltage + base clock but got 63/64C instead of 76C
Thank you

Now I'll try OC to 4.1 or similar

I guess the score is lower because the "stock" clock gets up to 4.2 and more but it's like a few point difference

@vernal cosmos

Nooo the i9 9880H beat me 💀 😩

1700x beat me too

[lone terrace]

[scenic solar]

Question
Is the boost clock declared by AMD the max frequency at which the CPU is stable or is it the max frequency it can reach without oc?

Because I sometimes saw 4.3GHz (very rarely) even with the stock clock

Small ftts on prime 95 still gets CPU to 80C

[cerulean wadi]

Lucky you even match that 1700x on cinebench, but should be around 9300 like that other 3600x.

[scenic solar]

It's because of the strange stock voltage that gets to 4.3

That gives me those few points

Another question
Do I really have to disconnect pc from power outlet to short CMOS battery pins? (To reset CMOS obviously)

[cerulean wadi]

At least flip the psu off then. Idk, do it

[scenic solar]

Mmmh

Ye
1.2v 4.1GHz booted

Benchmark time

Can I set CPU multiplier to 41.5 or any decimal number?

[grizzled bloom]

It does have those extra 4 threads over you though

[scenic solar]

Yeah I know

But the "base CPU" score was much higher

So let's try this 4.1

No crashes, running perfectly

Temperature to 65C (just 2C more)

I think it is 9200

[cerulean wadi]

Post pics when it's finished instead of "running...", lol. Well, much better than 8800-ish

[scenic solar]

@cerulean wadi

[grizzled bloom]

That about matches stock, and temps are better. See how 4.2 does.

[scenic solar]

Definitely much better temps 12C less

Lest see 4.2...

[grizzled bloom]

If 4.2 crashes try 4.15

[scenic solar]

4.2 boots

Benchmarking...

Temps go up by 1C every .1GHz OC

66C now

I think it can go up to 4.3 max because that's the speed it was running at with base voltage (1.213 in benchmark)

[grizzled bloom]

That was with stock boosting though right? It's entirely possible you'll get higher.

For example, my 2700 would boost to 3.7 all core normally but I could lock it to 4.1

[scenic solar]

The one on the bottom was stock voltage + OC 4.2
The top one is the actual with 1.2 manual + OC 4.2

perfect

These are all te results I've got from undervolting and overclocking, the first ones were to just test out CPU performance with some random frequency at base voltage

[grizzled bloom]

Sheesh -0.1v
No wonder that wasn't stable

17 degree improvement over base voltage though, very nice

Could try 4.25 next

[scenic solar]

Also 4.3

I'll try that later

[scenic solar]

17 degree drop compared to base voltage + 4.2GHz OC
But the processor at all stock is the first one
So it is a 10C drop
Still good

Anyway I'll almost never hit those temperatures unless I'm stressing the CPU like hell

[grizzled bloom]

Yep, which means under load it'll run cooler and quieter than before

[scenic solar]

Wow it booted even at 4.3GHz

Now I'll benchmark

[naive pendant]

spreadsheets B)

[scenic solar]

Got BSOD trying to run prime95 small ftts

Let's go back to 4.25

[grizzled bloom]

If it's stable in R23 and crashes in P95 then you're right on the edge of stability with your current cooling setup

[scenic solar]

Results of today
Keeping it at 1.2v 4250MHz

[grizzled bloom]

Very nice

[scenic solar]

Probably dropping the voltage even by .050/.100 will make it crash

9C less and 300 points more in cinebench

Now I have to set up a few things on the bios after I cleared it

[grizzled bloom]

I have a very small undervolt on mine, -0.0125v offset. PBO boosting is very nice on 5000.

[scenic solar]

What CPU do you have?

Intel?

[grizzled bloom]

5800X

I boost to 5GHz single core, and that's just my daily. I can get it higher.

[scenic solar]

Wow

Water cooler?

What are your temperatures

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah just a cheap 240mm

I hit 92 in cinebench lol

It's fine for gaming usually though, because mainly single core loads

[scenic solar]

Yeah, CPU will never get to the same stress as cinebench

Maybe in rendering things

Like blender

But that's also used for benchmarking

Finally finished setting fan curves, i think I'm ok with overclocking and undervolting for some time

The back fan adjusted fan curve helps temps a bit, .5/1C less than with stock curve

That only means one thing
10C drop from base CPU

[finite elm]

Just get a pentium

"It's all about the pentiums" - Weird Al Yankovic

[scenic solar]

Celeron is better

Ryzen<Intel core<Pentium<celeron<atom<centrino

Intel centrino is the best one

Pc with side panel on reduces temperatures by 1.5C compared to open
Probably because I have more "airflow fans" and they push the air all around

[limber dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/561323111308328972/977486408686125106/unknown.png

super fast pentium

[finite elm]

Nice

[naive pendant]

Lapping another chip lol

[cerulean wadi]

Fun. Those some bigass scratches so far

[naive pendant]

yea im just on 300 grit getting all the nickel off

just about done

[cerulean wadi]

Right on. Wonder how thick the nickel actually was nornally. It's like when I wetsand clearcoat on my cars. I start w/ 600 myself but it's different w/ an electric orbital sander (I mean 600 on certain jobs, not that rough on clearcoat)

[frosty depot]

This mobo doesn't have a header for argb/rgb fans does it?
https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/H110M-GAMING/Specification

[grizzled bloom]

No RGB at all, correct

[frosty depot]

Oh well. Thank you 😊

[frosty depot]

Hate to bug you.. but can I put a 9th gen coffee lake cpu in that board?

[grizzled bloom]

No, it's 6th and 7th gen

[frosty depot]

Oh it isn't 1151?

[grizzled bloom]

It's 1151 yes

[frosty depot]

But doesn't support coffee lake 9th gen 1151?

[grizzled bloom]

But the firmware only supports 6 and 7

[frosty depot]

Ahh ok

[grizzled bloom]

You could do a bios and pin mod and cross your fingers

[frosty depot]

I'm sure I understand a bios mod, but a pin mod?

[vast meadow]

6th-9th gen use the same socket but not really because they slightly changed the layout or something

And bios's not supported

Intel tings

[frosty depot]

Ah ok