cpus-mobo-and-memory

[cursive epoch]

memtest is old, i'd rather do it with tm5

[rigid sluice]

why would that make a difference?

[grizzled bloom]

Very old.

Modern tests are better at stressing the hardware using more modern instructions

[cursive epoch]

^

[rigid sluice]

wellll idk what TM5 is so

[grizzled bloom]

Besides if it's stability you're looking for you want to let memtest run for at least 10 passes

[cursive epoch]

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

[hollow thorn]

Could also blame windows and go through the typical sfc & dism

[devout moth]

Big and Round and Rolled Around#9214 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[rigid sluice]

oml

im on linux but all i can confirm is it it is hardware related as linux logs the activity of everything
and if i go in the logs
its just this pause in the logs complete pause no errors or anything
Regular system activity
5 minute pause
Standard Boot Proccess

so whatever it is

it isnt the OS because it would had been logged

I mean it locks up where i gotta kill power to the machine

[grizzled bloom]

The audio repeating would be a buffer repeating whatever was last in it at the time of the crash, so I can see why you would think memory

But that could also be CPU or motherboard related

[rigid sluice]

how would i go about diagnosing that

[hollow thorn]

stress test might do it

[rigid sluice]

so just violate my CPUs?

[hollow thorn]

lmao I guess that's one way to put it

[rigid sluice]

Ok let me install BOINC real quick ill give er a stressy all right

aight gentlemen whats on the menu tonight?
a bit of climate simulations?
maybe some particle simulations for the LHC?

eeeeeeeeeee

i hope this is satisfactory for you gentlemen

[grizzled bloom]

Stress tests should run for at least 6 hours, many problems don't show up right away

[rigid sluice]

so let it go for 6 hours or until a crash or BOINC starts complaining about Computation errors?

ah yes the sound of a big server going brrr

eh just to make the memory freak out too

for double violating power

[hollow thorn]

That, is what you call fun

[rigid sluice]

ill do a massive blender render at the same time

https://tenor.com/view/road-and-track-supercharger-explosion-engine-explosion-gif-19829320

DEATH

so if it crashes anytime soon

]how do i go about further diagnosis?

[grizzled bloom]

You've got a dual socket setup going right? Or quad?

[rigid sluice]

quad

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm yeah it would be hard to figure out which cpu is the culprit. You can do tests that run on targeted cpu cores and stress the CPUs individually.

[rigid sluice]

well its surivivng

i find it wierd how i have had these kind of issues before

the issues never come up no matter how hard i stress the system

and then they come up whule im watching a youtube video or checking my emails

[naive pendant]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154934672520? Id post this in tech deals but im not 100% sure it's as simple to set up as any regular consumer board

90 bucks is a really good deal if it is that simple though

[rigid sluice]

Oh it's just as simple as a consumer board

BUTTTTT

be weary of 2011 v1 vs v2

[naive pendant]

listing states lga2011

[rigid sluice]

Yesss butttt

[naive pendant]

not those funky e7's lol

[rigid sluice]

I mean I would say do further research because v2 support is actually really iffy on V1 boards

Going from personal experience it may say v2 but that might be complete BS

basically

The jump from v1 to v2 actually required a few hardware additions

[naive pendant]

Well I could try searching up documentation to see if there are supporting bios' for those CPUs. It doesnt say anywhere if it's a first gen 2011 board or if it came out when ivybridge was already around

[rigid sluice]

So a completely different mobo revision

[naive pendant]

like what?

[rigid sluice]

That I can't answer all I know is it's enough to warrent a entirely new revision

[naive pendant]

I hadn't heard of major hardware changes being necessary for boards to support those ivybridge xeons

Pretty sure it was just firmware stuff

[rigid sluice]

I had a supermicro before where yea even supermicro themselves said it would take v2 with a BIOS update

[naive pendant]

All the X79 boards I had that were manufactured during sandybridge only needed a bios update to support ivy

[rigid sluice]

Nah turns out they actually made a v1.1 of the board that they only made for like a month and then killed production but because the production was so short

Supermicro never released any documentation

[naive pendant]

I am slightly tempted to try out that dual socket board though lol, seems like a good deal. ill have to get it some other time though 😔

[rigid sluice]

So instead they just merged the docs for v1.0 and v1.1

And never told anyone

So reading the docs you would see that the v1.0 would support v2 xeons

Nope you actually needed the v1.1

Even if you updated the BIOS fully on V1.0

[naive pendant]

Im pretty sure support for ivy xeons was mainly a bios thing

[rigid sluice]

So I'm always weary of v2 2011 server mobos

Because it was 150$ down the drain

[naive pendant]

I could message the seller and ask if those boards were used with v2 xeons

[rigid sluice]

Ask

Or Google the mobo model and v2 support and go on forums

[devout moth]

Big and Round and Rolled Around#9214 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[grizzled bloom]

I've got a dual socket board, but it came with a 1650... which only supports one cpu

[rigid sluice]

Darn

If you Google the model number and v2 support

[naive pendant]

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/56336/intel-server-board-s2600co4.html

[rigid sluice]

And you get a bunch of random forums of people whining or complaining about v2 CPUs not working in the board

Stay away from it

[naive pendant]

yea that board might actually be a really good deal

i'd totally buy it if i didnt already have an extreme9

bummer that the extreme9 doesnt have onboard sas though like that one... or a second socket for that matter lol

im gonna post it in tech deals

[rigid sluice]

I would just use a PCIE H710 raid controller

[naive pendant]

Yea im gonna get an hba

[rigid sluice]

Not the most cutting edge thing but it handles things nicely

[naive pendant]

for sure

Ill only be using 8 sas drives at the absolute most

[rigid sluice]

I actually my PCIE H710 512mb to handle 8 drives

One of which I boot from

The other 7 are a RAID 6

[naive pendant]

sas drives are cooler than ssds tbh

[rigid sluice]

I use a 15.7k rpm hard drive to boot

Hold on you have a wierd opinion on SSDs that dosent involve praising them like a god?
Turns to camera
"Hey I like this guy"

[naive pendant]

cheetah drive?

[rigid sluice]

Yea a 450gb one

I get almost 300MB/s sequential off it

[grizzled bloom]

SAS SSDs tho

[naive pendant]

I had a 2U server with sas drives but I ended up selling it off, though I still have 1 or 2 spare drives. They're only 10k 146GB though so im not gonna use them in the system im putting together, probably

[naive pendant]

hard drives are still cooler tbh

[grizzled bloom]

You can fit more SSDs in a chassis

[naive pendant]

yea but do they spin

didnt think so

[rigid sluice]

Ok your getting on my friends list just for having a opinion that goes against SSDs

[naive pendant]

lol

[cursive epoch]

i like ssd cause im a pleb

i don't need those cool kids stuff

[naive pendant]

i boot off an nvme ssd

[cursive epoch]

nor do i have the funds

[rigid sluice]

I had a NVME

[naive pendant]

you can get pretty cheap sas drives

[rigid sluice]

I still went to 15.7k

[naive pendant]

💀

cant ignore the infinitely faster random read/write performance though

[rigid sluice]

Pretty snappy since I'm on linux and don't got a million system spyware processes hitting my hard drive

[naive pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-breakin-windows10-windows-computer-gif-21384541

[rigid sluice]

Good thing I'm on a quad socket so windows 10 won't work!

[naive pendant]

Was probably gonna get this one https://www.ebay.com/itm/324914658545?

[rigid sluice]

I only have experience with a

https://www.ebay.com/itm/142800584890?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=OwHu05S9RzG&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=ayqHNsJHSvq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

So I can't say much

Works great tho

[naive pendant]

I like how the h240 there is SAS3, SAS2 would probably work just fine in my case but yea

there's also this that i might get if i end up having extra money when i finally put together that system lol

only thing i need rn is a case, hba, and drives

Got a really sick deal on ecc ddr3 a couple weeks ago so im set there

[cursive epoch]

so many ports

but i'd love to have those two lmao

manual fan control is just fun

[naive pendant]

facts

[unkempt blaze]

what is 4 long beeps?

i check on google but there is no clue for how to fix it

the computer worked before

some pages says its about the CMOS but i dont know how to restart it if the computer if it doesn't turn on

[vernal cosmos]

what board

[vernal cosmos]

cmos is a small batter on the board

[unkempt blaze]

gigabyte ga-h110m-s2h

[unkempt blaze]

ah that Circle small battery?

[vernal cosmos]

yes

is it 4 short beeps

or 1 long 3 short?

[unkempt blaze]

long

its sounded like 4 long

maybe its short

[vernal cosmos]

do all 4 beeps last the same?

[unkempt blaze]

yes

[vernal cosmos]

ok yeah unplug pc from power outlet

[unkempt blaze]

i did it before

[vernal cosmos]

when its unplugged, press the power on button a few times

remove the circular silver battery

wait 5 mins

[unkempt blaze]

ok

[vernal cosmos]

put the battery back in

plug pc back into wall

switch it on

[unkempt blaze]

do i need to restore the bios settings if it works?

[vernal cosmos]

yes

[unkempt blaze]

but why?

[vernal cosmos]

because the cmos battery keeps bios profile loaded

take it out and it resets

thats what fixes issues

the bios resetting

i mean that board isnt gonna have many things you need to change in the bios anyway

[unkempt blaze]

ok this it annoying but i think there is no other choice

[unkempt blaze]

it has some

ok removed the battery

now i wait

[vernal cosmos]

did u unplug pc from the wall

[unkempt blaze]

yes of course

but the button is on

but i did what you say

so i think its fine

ok

lets see

5 beeps?

and the computer turns on and off

just like before

5 long beeps

maybe the CMOS battery died?

this is even possible?

[cursive epoch]

cmos batt dying doesn't cause a system to not boot

it only resets bios and time

cause it's used to save that stuff

not to power the mobo

[unkempt blaze]

yes you right

but still i dont know what it 5 long beeps

i see on google on forum there is a guy with the same motherboard with the same issue

[cursive epoch]

according to gigabyte

5 beeps is cpu problem

[unkempt blaze]

so he is dead?

[unkempt blaze]

this is really strange

this could happen because of overheating?

[cursive epoch]

uh, no

a modern cpu keeps itself from heating up too much by slowing itself down, then shut the system down if throttling doesn't work

i suspect it could be the mobo that's the dead one

[burnt spear]

it wouldnt turn on at all if it was pins, right foxy?

[unkempt blaze]

i need to check it but i dont have a multimeter there is other way to check it?

[cursive epoch]

yeah

uh, well there's no other way tbh

apart from getting another cpu and test it

[unkempt blaze]

multimeter can't check that?

[cursive epoch]

well, not really

[burnt spear]

what mobo is it?

[cursive epoch]

gigabyte h110m-s2h

[burnt spear]

cpu to test would be cheap asf, no?

[cursive epoch]

yeah, something like a celeron would do

[unkempt blaze]

i think used one would be cheap

[cursive epoch]

you can probably get one for 20 idk

celeron g3900 should be pretty cheap

[unkempt blaze]

but i cant be sure if it actually wirking

[unkempt blaze]

not going for that

it really slow

[cursive epoch]

well, test cpu lol

it won't matter

[burnt spear]

it would just be to test the motherboard to see if its working

[cursive epoch]

^

[unkempt blaze]

uh

i get it

[burnt spear]

buy a dirt cheap celeron to test the mobo

but honestly

[cursive epoch]

jesus it's 40 on ebay

that's ridiculous

[burnt spear]

if its possible, i would save for a new cpu and mobo together

[unkempt blaze]

i have in that i5 6400

[burnt spear]

ah

i see

[unkempt blaze]

it was decent whan i used it

[burnt spear]

then yeah id test mobo, 6400 isnt that old

[cursive epoch]

pentium is cheaper hm

[vernal cosmos]

depends on which pins

there are some that are quite useless

and some that only kill maybe a few io ports

[unkempt blaze]

it can be on this motherboard?

[cursive epoch]

yes

[unkempt blaze]

im confused with celeron and pentium gens

ok nice

i need to see

if it worth my time

or just buy a new pc

im actually using now my laptop

[burnt spear]

what gpu do you have?

and what psu/storage?

might be able to keep those

and possibly case, but unless it's decent id spend the extra for a new one

[unkempt blaze]

its work surprisingly well with all my old setup because its a equivalent to the pc i got before

but much newer

[unkempt blaze]

nothing is worth keeping

trust me

[burnt spear]

alr

[unkempt blaze]

lol

[burnt spear]

what would your budget be for a new build?

700 could get you a budget 6600 build iirc

[unkempt blaze]

i think i would wait for the new gpu and cpu

this setup is actually not bad for now

[burnt spear]

kk, just so you can see what you can do heres an example https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nwm4Mb

40 series should be out in september

and im expecting 14th gen around november

[cursive epoch]

13th*

[burnt spear]

no gaurantees though

yeah that

[cursive epoch]

typo lol

[unkempt blaze]

uh also i have to mention it was lenovo prebuild

[burnt spear]

ah

[cursive epoch]

lenovo, hm

[unkempt blaze]

i got for free so i dont really care

[cursive epoch]

that sucks

but nice

[burnt spear]

oh nice

free is free

[unkempt blaze]

lol

[cursive epoch]

wait lenovo prebuilt that fits atx mobo

that's not bad

but definitely not worth keeping lol

[unkempt blaze]

this is an matx motherboard

[cursive epoch]

still

it's atx standard, just the smaller form factor

[unkempt blaze]

lol

all the cases now

are so cheap

[burnt spear]

p360a is a good choice, but $80-90 is a bit expensive for a budget build

mx330-g and h18 are good alternatives

[unkempt blaze]

you talking about motherboards?

[burnt spear]

cases

[unkempt blaze]

UH

[cursive epoch]

cougar is the brand of mx330-g model

[burnt spear]

specifically g air is good, but oos rn

[unkempt blaze]

I thought about antec they have a really good cases

[burnt spear]

i would never buy based off of brand

[unkempt blaze]

lol

[cursive epoch]

antec makes some fine cases really

they do have models with mesh front

and some fans

[burnt spear]

even lian li has some bad cases

[unkempt blaze]

and also make the most cheap cases i think

[burnt spear]

what case were you looking at

[unkempt blaze]

nx800

i think

[burnt spear]

pls no

[unkempt blaze]

why not?

[burnt spear]

not for the price

it looks decent enough, but isnt worth $120

not when these exist https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdXYcf/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dbk
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZJcRsY/phanteks-eclipse-p360a-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec360atg_dbk
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vDhmP6/cooler-master-masterbox-mb311l-argb-microatx-mid-tower-case-mcb-b311l-kgnn-s02

[unkempt blaze]

nx 410 looks good too

lol

[burnt spear]

nx410 looks good

and isnt overpriced

[cursive epoch]

120 for nx800 is oof

[burnt spear]

as long as that front doesnt have glass behind the mesh, thatd be stupid

looks like thick mesh or theres something behind the mesh at the front, gonna just assume its thick since glass behind it would make no sense

[cursive epoch]

nx410 looks like h510 flow but actually at a good price

[unkempt blaze]

yes

[latent osprey]

are asrock mobos bad

[vernal cosmos]

only intel ones

[latent osprey]

damn

[vernal cosmos]

either bad or bad for the price

one of them

[latent osprey]

in cad

also this was something I was thinking abt

[vast meadow]

The low end amds are too

[vernal cosmos]

yeah i said but most are bad or bad for the price

oh wait

i forgor to say most

[vast meadow]

Do this
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HcBw6r

[next skiff]

I have a Intel i7 6700k cpu and it is stuck at 800mhz when the stock is set to 4000mhz why? It hits 100% just opening Google

And under load it doesn’t change

[grizzled bloom]

Have you done any overclocking on it?

[next skiff]

I haven’t

[grizzled bloom]

A chip that old is probably on an old motherboard. When's the last time you replaced the cmos battery?

[next skiff]

I haven’t replaced it ever I have had my pc since July 2020 my motherboard is a msi x370 titanium

Sorry z170a

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that board probably needs a new cmos battery.
Download hwinfo and see if the battery has a voltage sensor. It should be 3.3V but spec goes as low as 3V

[next skiff]

Where do I find that number

[grizzled bloom]

VBAT

In the motherboard voltages

[next skiff]

I’m not seeing vbat

[grizzled bloom]

You probably don't have the sensor then. Do you have a multimeter?

[next skiff]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

Ok perfect. There's a round battery about the size of a quarter on the board. Sometimes it's hiding under your GPU. Pop that out and see what the voltage is.

[next skiff]

Ok perfect sorry but I have to do it tomorrow I’m look for 3.3 correct

[grizzled bloom]

Yes. If it's below 3V it needs to be replaced, 3.3V is full power.

[next skiff]

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

That battery is in charge of storing your bios settings and real time clock info. If it's dead, then it can lose settings and cause clock issues.

[naive pendant]

very broad question but what are the differences in chipset model numbers for their respective CPU socket types (LGA 1200/AM4)

[vernal cosmos]

number of pcie lanes and ram speed limits

[hollow thorn]

On Intel, only z series boards will let you OC

[naive pendant]

oh really?

hmmm

So what sort of consistency should we see between motherboards correlating to the respective chipset numbers?

and that said what are some other notable differences besides pcie lanes and ram speed limits?

[hollow thorn]

more useful to go by a case by case basis

[naive pendant]

mmm ok

[hollow thorn]

like if you compare x570 and b550 boards in general, it'll sound like x570 is better, but there's plenty of b550 boards I'd buy before some x570 boards

[naive pendant]

oh yeah

[hollow thorn]

There's wacky stuff like B460 limits ram freq, B560 doesn't

[naive pendant]

i remember seeing benchmarks where "inferior" chipsets beat out superior ones

[hollow thorn]

A good b550 board will slam a crappy x570 board

and there are a good few crappy x570 boards

[naive pendant]

there're just so many factors which make or break a motherboard so I'm kinda looking for a checklist at to what people look for in a mobo

[hollow thorn]

It's much easier to just go by a case by case basis

The checklist will just be way too long

[naive pendant]

mmm

it also makes it easier for me to learn what each component of a motherboard does

rather than just relying on benchmarks

[burnt spear]

what are you using the pcfor

[hollow thorn]

VRMs do power delivery, basically everything else is io

[burnt spear]

how many ssds will you have, how many pcie lanes

what cpu will you be running

for most users, unless you want to run a crap ton of m.2 ssds, b550 is the better choice

again model matters too

[naive pendant]

Mostly overclocking (as a hobby) but I play games, render photos aswell

[hollow thorn]

Like sound chips tend to just suck, so dongle beats any onboard sound chip, so that's one factor you don't need to care about, the LAN chip doesn't tend to matter, 1gb will be more than enough for most people, etc

[burnt spear]

but x570s generally have worse vrms at the same price point

[hollow thorn]

Overclocking gets you into a different market

[burnt spear]

mm

[naive pendant]

yeah Ive heard

[hollow thorn]

like unify-x boards

[burnt spear]

if you're an extreme overclocker like forks and want to go for world records, there's super expensive mobos that are great for ocing

like a $400 x570 (dark hero maybe?)

[hollow thorn]

although was it fitz that said b550 unify x had issues? forgot

unify-x tends to be nice for ram oc and cpu oc

[naive pendant]

nah not extreme world records lol

[burnt spear]

oh wait

[naive pendant]

I just do it as a hobby

[burnt spear]

do you already have anything for the build?

[hollow thorn]

I think EVGA made a x570 dark, no?

[burnt spear]

and if not, whats the budget?

[naive pendant]

not the mobo or cpu as of yet

[burnt spear]

12600k/12700k/12900k makes more sense lol

[hollow thorn]

mmm

[burnt spear]

i think so?

[hollow thorn]

They did

[naive pendant]

atm i just have a 6900XT sitting at home ad i do more research into cpus and mobos

[burnt spear]

i would go intel

12th gen is better price/perf atm

[naive pendant]

yeah I've heard

[hollow thorn]

I mean, going with a 12600k and a MSI z690-a is going to be fun and relatively cheap

[burnt spear]

12600k beats 5700x by a little and is cheaper

same thing for 12700k and 5900x

[naive pendant]

yep ive received that recommendation hahaha

[burnt spear]

though 5950x and 12900k are very similar, and price tends to vary

since z690s are expensive

[naive pendant]

yeah

I looked at a 5900X as it was pretty cheap relative to its intel cohnterpart

[hollow thorn]

basically look at the first 5min of this video for reasons
https://youtu.be/ys6D2528yUs

[burnt spear]

id personally do 12600k or 12700k on an msi z690-a

[hollow thorn]

buildzoid is fun

[naive pendant]

$350 AUD for a 5900X

[burnt spear]

well honestly id do 12700f and b660 personally, since idc for cpu ocing

[burnt spear]

ah, didnt know you were in australia

thats a good price

[naive pendant]

yeah great price

[burnt spear]

5800x3d also an option, though stock prolly isnt good in aussie land

[naive pendant]

but mobos are on the pricy side here

[hollow thorn]

mm

[burnt spear]

also cant oc 5800x3d

[naive pendant]

but again i dont exactly know what im looking at besides benchmark results on a mobo

[burnt spear]

i wonder how 12900ks oced compares to 5800x3d? never seen anything on that

[naive pendant]

that thing is almost 2x more expensive than a 5900X

[burnt spear]

jesus

[hollow thorn]

simple good b550 board
https://www.centrecom.com.au/msi-mag-b550-tomahawk-am4-atx-motherboard

[naive pendant]

might check it out tmr as ppl are sleepin atm and no earphones

[hollow thorn]

2 main things really
VRMs, and IO

VRMs are what you're going to find benchmarks on

hwub/techspot usually have you covered for that

IO, it's just how many ports you want

[naive pendant]

actually can you summerise it real quick?

[hollow thorn]

and then there's featureset stuff, bios flashback, debug LEDs, sometimes post code display

Oh and wifi if you need it

VRMs delivers the power to the CPU
The better the VRMs, the more power it can provide, the 'cleaner' the power, and the cooler it runs

[naive pendant]

yep

it allows you to control the voltage right?

[hollow thorn]

Yes

Sometimes you could go by how many stages, but often doesn't help

[naive pendant]

aswell as pumping out cleaner energ

[hollow thorn]

Asus could have a board with 8 nice stages and have it beat out board with 16 virtual stages

[naive pendant]

really?

is it bc some boards have a multiplier?

[hollow thorn]

No

[hollow thorn]

8 Physical stages, not twinned or doubled, can beat 8 Physical stages twinned/doubled

There's just more nuances that's annoying

for lga1200 you might find this useful
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yPS3hj_K7EPT4RBWCyjdKNP56pnwDz-IgBc0975-FUg/edit#gid=0

There's also a very old am4 list but that doesn't even have b550 boards

[naive pendant]

yeah doublers

[hollow thorn]

Twinned and doubled function about the same, like you could see with b550 aorus elite v1 and b550 aorus elite v2

bz rambled about it for 40 minutes if you have a lot of free time
https://youtu.be/FHJlzBQcyqM

[naive pendant]

40mins is not much for a hobby lol

[hollow thorn]

buildzoid videos can pile up quickly

[naive pendant]

ahhh

fair enough

also on a more unrelated note

I'm really just asking for speculation at this point but do you think there will be alot of software issues with the launching of the AM5 socket?

[hollow thorn]

Software issues? I doubt it

[naive pendant]

Hmm

What about issues between the motherboard and cpu

[hollow thorn]

DDR5 only will be annoying, but software issues aren't that common

[naive pendant]

mmm

is it bc DDR5 is a completely different architecture?

[hollow thorn]

DDR5 is just expensive

the ram

[naive pendant]

ohhh

i thought we were still talking in the context of compatability

anyways thanks for the sources

[hollow thorn]

You're welcome

[hollow thorn]

Ye, in the context of ddr5 ram being annoying and am5 having no support for ddr4 and only ddr5 when lga1700 has support for both

[naive pendant]

fair point

this was smth I had an issue with bc buying one new shiny thing is already expensive enough

AM5 forces you to buy 3 brand new components so its a bit pricey hahaha

[jade zephyr]

does anyone know when ryzen 5 6000 coming out?

or is it out and am i not finding it

is is gonna be released by the end of the year? i’m assuming no…

[limber dragon]

https://c.tenor.com/CFnzwcuSv3AAAAAM/nobody-knows-james-pumphrey.gif

[vast meadow]

Most likely sept/oct

But it will be actually ryzen 7000, ryzen 6000 is just the laptop cpus

[burnt spear]

Kinda like 4000 and 5000

[jade zephyr]

hm. i’m building my first pc and my friend who’s helping said i should wait. but i’m trying to by by july. thanks!

[vast meadow]

Then go intel 12th gen

[jade zephyr]

i have a 5600x in my list rn

[burnt spear]

What's the total budget?

[jade zephyr]

700

if you wanna talk build i’ll put my list in build chat

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/78NkJM

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XLZ4Mb

Might as well grab the cheaper ram

[burnt spear]

Check build chat

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[eternal helm]

would go h610 to save money too if this list was used

[vast meadow]

Then you'd want 3200c22 ram tho:/

[burnt spear]

Isn't 2933c19 better than 3200c22?

[grizzled bloom]

If you only look at cas latency yes

[vast meadow]

Depends on timings i suppose

[eternal helm]

Wdym?

[burnt spear]

b610 has locked ram oc

[eternal helm]

Why run jedec on a board that supports xmp?

[grizzled bloom]

B610 doesn't do xmp

[eternal helm]

Most of them say they do

[burnt spear]

b670s can

not b610

[eternal helm]

Even tho intels spec sheet doesnt

No

[grizzled bloom]

Officially the chipset doesn't allow for it

[grizzled bloom]

They can technically do xmp but only up to 3200

[burnt spear]

wait what

[eternal helm]

It's like manufacturers big "screw you" to intel

Most of them have it, some dont

[grizzled bloom]

It's stupid how Intel is still trying to do artificial market segmentation even when they just just lost a ton of the market

The manufacturers have proven all Intel needs to do is flip a switch to enable it

[eternal helm]

Mhmm

You still can't technically "overclock" above a CPUs officially supported memory, but 12100f supports 3200 officially so it'd be fine

[grizzled bloom]

Just like you can't officially overclock on a non Z board but people do anyway

[eternal helm]

Or officially "overclock" a locked chip like a 12400f

Ppl will still find alternatives, like the high end z690 board with a 12400f

Bclk or whatever it was

[grizzled bloom]

Yep base clock. And those high end B660 and Z690 boards with external clock generators can push bclk 140. Technically a 40% overclock.

[eternal helm]

Mhmm

Intel needs to step up their game ngl

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it really feels like they didn't take AMD seriously, even after they got left in the dust. 12th gen is really only winning by a few percent and in price/performance.

[eternal helm]

In some places tho, it's barely tied

Like a 5600x and 12400(f)

And amd came out with zen 3 like a year before ADL came out

[burnt spear]

i have a feeling intel will step it up with either 13th or 14th gen

otherwise there will be no competition for 7000

[eternal helm]

I'm scared for the value of zen 4 but who knows, maybe ddr5 will go down

Amd really can't afford to do their super premium pricing for products like an 8 core CPU this time around imo

[grizzled bloom]

Still waiting for 8000c40

[eternal helm]

Ye

[grizzled bloom]

The market split will be interesting to see. I hear 700 boards will only be DDR5 too, mostly rumor.

[eternal helm]

Yeah

I heard zen 4 will have D4 imc but it's all up to the boards

And there's like no boards we know of that'll support zen 4 and d4

[long geyser]

No, it's just by lowering the gear of the IMC

iirc they did that for 11th gen too or smth

[eternal helm]

Do all h610 support xmp? It's looking like that from what I can see

Even hvs looks to

And it's like the worst

[long geyser]

The limit is a IMC speed limit, not a memory limit

[eternal helm]

Yeah

[long geyser]

lower the ratio of mem to IMC and you can easily get 3200MT/s mem

[eternal helm]

Mhmm

[long geyser]

That should be how all vendors are doing it, they arent pulling a fast one on Intel

afaik at least

[grizzled bloom]

Interesting. 3200 c14 in gear 2 is still way better than jedec.

[vast meadow]

Didn't realise it could do 3200 xmp

[finite elm]

That would be weird cause the H510 I used does

[buoyant temple]

Has anyone ever had the issue of a motherboard cycling through the error lights. It starts off with the cpu light on, then vga, then boot and then turns off

[vast meadow]

Try check all your connections on your power supply, reseat your ram and gpu and if that fails reseat your cpu

[buoyant temple]

I tried a different power supply same issue, tried 4 different kits of ram, the original kit was non functional, and replaced it with a working one and got this error sequence, and tried a different cpu and same issue

I’m thinking the motherboard was bricked by the previous owner

Just need a second opinion

[vast meadow]

Have you tried reseating your cpu and gpu?

[buoyant temple]

Yes

[vast meadow]

What cpu and motherboard is it?

[buoyant temple]

3600 and b450 tomahawk Mac

Max

[vast meadow]

Possibly just jank motherboard ye

[buoyant temple]

Yeuppp damn…

[rocky bridge]

I cannot get my computer past the bios

It just exits but never gets to windows

[rapid mortar]

What would be the best option to upgrade my 3600x to, r5 5600x or r7 5800x? I know I can save 100 bucks on the 5600x but would spending the extra 100 be worth it for the 5800x? I hate decisions lol.

[grizzled bloom]

5700X

[rapid mortar]

I just need clarification lol

[grizzled bloom]

You get the extra 2c/4t with 5700X and it games almost as good as the 5800X

[rapid mortar]

Ahh okay true

Appreciate it!

[cerulean wadi]

Lol. Well I'll say that in most games the 6core is plenty, unless you're streaming a lot and such.

[mighty jackal]

I have a 12700KF that is refusing to boot 14 times out of 16 attempts (ish). It boot twice and ran fine (at separate times) but when I restarted my system, no boot. Mother board said first not video out detected then said no boot drive even after those two successful boots. Is it the CPU? Everything else seems to work fine, mobo was already replaced, RAM works in another system, and GPU works in another system

[grizzled bloom]

Try updating bios with flashback

[rocky bridge]

I got new ram, all the same, put it into my motherboard and it failed to boot, so I tried a few different things like rearranging the order of the sticks and nothing worked, then I tried going back to my old ram and it lets me into the bios but it can't reach windows. I've reset the CMOS, done a bios update and I still don't have any idea why it won't work

[vast meadow]

What slots are you putting the ram in?

[vernal cosmos]

the ram ones im guessing

[burnt spear]

nah, nvme slot

[cursive epoch]

dimm.2

[cerulean wadi]

so-dimm*. "Sodimm, you are" - Yoda.

[vernal cosmos]

nvme is protocol not connector reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[rocky bridge]

Originally just a2 and b2 but I got 4 sticks last night so I had all slots occupied, I troubleshooted some more and I can get to the windows recognizes that there is a problem screen, with options so my plan is to get a fresh install of windows, but I can't do that untill later. And this is with the 2 original ram sticks in a2 b2

[vast meadow]

Hmm sounds like your board doesn't like 4 sticks

Or your trying to mix dies

[vernal cosmos]

link for all sticks u have

[mighty jackal]

It didn’t boot before when I first assembled it. Even replaced the motherboard after the first few attempts. The second mobo was the same model. The RAM is new and in the correct slots. The mobo has indicator lights and the RAM light does not indicate a RAM issue. I used two different sets of Ram

[grizzled bloom]

I used two different sets of Ram
That's usually a problem if the memory dies don't like each other. You can get Hynix to like another Hynix enough to run at the slower of the rated speeds but throwing a Samsung die in the mix... It just won't even post sometimes.

[rocky bridge]

https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-PC4-25600-3200MHz-F4-3200C16D-16GVKB/dp/B015FXXBW0/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=gskill+ripjaws+3200+16gb&qid=1652649445&sr=8-2

I've already checked the part numbers, they match, both hynix

[rapid mortar]

Ok got a 5600x. With the msi mag x570 tomahawk wifi. Installed the cpu updated bios (version 1.8) and when I go to restart my computer to enter bios. Both of my screens don't do anything. Keyboard and mouse light up, pc is on and lights up but won't do anything until I shut the pc down and turn it back on. Then it like skips bios screen cause it doesn't appear. And goes to home screen. I've been trying to fix this so I can get into bios. Pls any help lol

[grizzled bloom]

Sounds like fast boot, you can get to bios manually by holding shift when you click restart, then wait for it to bring up the advanced start menu. Go to troubleshooting, advanced, restart to uefi.

[rapid mortar]

Okay will try that. Thanks

[grizzled bloom]

The same part number could have 6 different possible dies.
Are you talking about the 042 code?

[rapid mortar]

Ok so restart to uefi just restarted and has my monitors saying no signal connected still.

I've cleared cmos already aswell.

[rocky bridge]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

Take out the video cable and put it back in while it's on the no signal waiting in bios

[rapid mortar]

Nothing still

Main reason for bios is to xmp my ram. That's it. I know msi center has dram timings and stuff I can change just don't know if that will work? Plus I don't know timings to save the life of me.

[grizzled bloom]

Are you using hdmi or dp cables?

[rapid mortar]

Hdmi for 1 and the other is dp

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm, the hdmi one should work

[rapid mortar]

Before this 5600x I could see bios screen

With the 3600x

So I do see the timings for xmp in msi center so maybe I can manually do it to oc the ram?

[grizzled bloom]

You could try, it might not be stable

[rapid mortar]

I just don't know what's going on why it just says no signal on my monitors when I restart the pc. And then when I shut it down and try again it'll boot straight to desktop. Confusing. Welcome to pc I guess lmao

Just weird even the uefi restart doesn't work. I'm going to look on msi website to see if they have any utilities or something I can see to maybe fix something

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, they're definitely the same then. It's more likely that your CPU IMC doesn't like having 4 sticks. It's quite a bit harder for it to run. You can try to help it out by increasing your voltages.
vsoc 1.1V
VDDP 1.0V
Both VDDG 1.05V

[rocky bridge]

Ok, but like even with the old sticks in rn under default settings, I can't get past Asus bios, I even did an update to the most current version, so my thought is now that I need to repair windows?

[grizzled bloom]

That's possible, but we'll get to it

[rocky bridge]

Ok

Like this? I'll be back in 20ish minutes sorry

[rapid mortar]

Ok so I do see. When I reboot the pc and spam the delete key nothing pops up and monitors say no signal. But If I just reboot and do nothing it loads to desktop?

[grizzled bloom]

CLDO VDDP to 1.0V
And try enabling XMP while you're there

[rapid mortar]

Yeah msi center didn't work for some reason on the ram. But yeah I'm super confused on what to do.

And I don't think it's bios either. Because it did it as soon as I installed that 5600x and booted.

[rapid mortar]

What I'm assuming is that, my monitors can't load bios fast enough now. Like it's there but not displaying. Not sure how to fix this unless I just put my old cpu in and flashback bios and not upgrade lmao. Idk

[rocky bridge]

Here we go

No dice

I should mention, none of the motherboard LEDs are lighting up which would indicate that there is no problem, theoretically

It does seem to be booting up quicker though(not fast boot, I disabled that)

[rapid mortar]

I FIXED IT LMAO

[rocky bridge]

What did you do? Maybe it will help me

[rapid mortar]

So yeah, I'm dumb. But I had to swap my hdmi and display port around on my monitors. -_- what happened first was I swapped them awhile ago because my main monitor was flickering and i never went into bios after that so didn't know that was the issue. So I decided to flip the cords and it worked for me

[rocky bridge]

Oof, that will not fix my problem

[rapid mortar]

Ah

[quick gate]

ryzen 5 3600 vs 5600g which is better and by how much

[grizzled bloom]

Performance-wise they're about equal, but the 5600g has a gpu built in

5600 with no letter is better

[quick gate]

alr so if i already have a pretty good separate gpu there’s no point in getting a 5600g yeah?

[grizzled bloom]

Not much point yeah. It's good for troubleshooting though.

[quick gate]

alr thanks

[delicate iris]

Can a DOCP profile cause kernel power failures when not actively using the PC? For some reason, if I don't use the mouse and keyboard or leave a program running for about 4-5 minutes, my computer just restarts endlessly until it gets a DRAM fault (orange QLED) on the motherboard.

[signal kite]

is the only drawback to getting a smaller mobo less ram and pce slots?

[grizzled bloom]

It can in certain circumstances, like if the profile is too aggressive for the dies on the memory or the IMC and causes the system to hard crash. It wouldn't be able to write out a blue screen error log in that case.

[grizzled bloom]

These days, basically yes. It just has less of things and they're roughly the same quality.

[delicate iris]

I think I might have found the issue while perusing the event viewer. like a split second before the crash it shows it loaded npsvctrig.svc and just takes a dump. Apparently it resets my peripherals too for a little since i have 2208 errors for my USB ports over the last month.

[grizzled bloom]

Are you on AMD by chance?

[delicate iris]

yep

[grizzled bloom]

Update your bios, the USB instability is a known issue that has been mostly resolved by bios

[delicate iris]

i gotta remind myself to never use Armoury Crate to check for BIOS updates. Thought I was up to date, but im 12 versions behind D:

[grizzled bloom]

Yup sounds like Asus to me

[delicate iris]

Are chipset drivers important? I'm a bit behind on those as well. I used the crate to install it but its still the original version I started with.

[grizzled bloom]

They can be important yes

https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/amd_chipset_software_3.10.08.506.exe

[rocky bridge]

Alright, so some updates, I figured out that one of the sticks of ram(1 of the 4) was bad by process of elimination using the Mobo lights on my Asus Mobo. I got to a screen that was trying to repair one of my drives, something I hadn't seen yet but it was something, but I still cannot get into windows. I have a buddy prepping a fresh install for me so I can plug in a flash drive and essentially install windows again on my other drive ig? Any other recommendations before I proceed?

[obtuse mountain]

@burnt spear the saga continues. i just have the 2 sticks of 16gb ram in and i shut down on friday, went on a trip, came back for work, and just got home. booted PC to have it take forever like it did with the 4 sticks in. 4tb (E:\ ) is nonresponsive

[burnt spear]

Sounds like your E drive is the issue then

Unplug it and see what happens

[obtuse mountain]

Its brand new tho been fine the last 3-4 months with no issues

[burnt spear]

The error is that the drive is having issues

Unplug it, see what happens

Could just be the sata cable and you could try swapping two drives satas after checking if unplugging it works

[cerulean wadi]

Brand new or been used for 3-4 months? Can't be both :Bruh:

[rocky bridge]

I believe my issue is my power supply is too weak, I have a 3900x and an rx590 but only a 650 watt powersupply, might I be right?

[hollow thorn]

The likelyhood is basically 0

[hollow thorn]

you'd be drawing like 400w max

well, literal max would be like 500w, but practically, you'd be drawing like 400w max

[rocky bridge]

Oh

Well then I'm back to square 1 I have no idea what's wrong

[hollow thorn]

3900x p95 is like 200w, rx590 furmark is like ~200w

[hollow thorn]

what's the issue though

[cerulean wadi]

Mr2222

[hollow thorn]

Yes, but what exactly

[rocky bridge]

I can't get past bios into windows

[hollow thorn]

New build?

[rocky bridge]

No

All I did was change the ram and all hell breaks loose

[hollow thorn]

Boots with single stick?

[rocky bridge]

Yes

But only into bios

When I exit it does the windows circle, the. Everything blacks out, and the windows circle reappears with nothing else and eventually I'm left with a blank screen

Even when I revert back to the old ram, it just refuses to work

[hollow thorn]

Other than blaming windows, check boot options?

[rocky bridge]

What do you mean?

[hollow thorn]

actually if windows circle shows up it's prob fine, meant legacy vs uefi boot

[rocky bridge]

Sooooo what do I do?

I keep getting to here

[hollow thorn]

reinstall/windows repair thingy

[rocky bridge]

Onto the z drive windows will go!

[misty obsidian]

I'm in bed right now thinking about my ddr4 ram that fails to run at xmp speed and I went to look at the bios releases for my motherboard.

Gigabyte finally released a fix for my ram lol

Now I can't sleep, thinking about that shiny new bios

Gigabyte z690 elite ax motherboard is really bad at memory Oc so far

Running bios f7

[rocky bridge]

I think I may have erased my z drive, but at least it appears that it might work

I think all my old files were corrupted when I put in my new ram, nothing else seems to make sense as to the issues I'm having

[naive pendant]

What's the chipset needed on a motherboard to overclock a 6th gen CPU?

[cursive epoch]

z170

[vast meadow]

Although i wouldn't bother buying 6th gen even on budget

[stoic radish]

It's so beautiful

[dawn dirge]

just put my new cpu (the cpu is supported on my mobo) into my mobo from what happened to my old cpu and my computer turns on but doesnt post. the fans are spinning (and the ones on the gpu) the lights are working, but the keyboard and mouse arent (the monitor works and all the psu cables are plugged in fully). anyone know what i should do to troubleshoot?

[grizzled bloom]

What CPU and what motherboard? Just because it's compatible with the socket doesn't mean the BIOS is updated to support it

[dawn dirge]

ryzen 3rd gen on b550

3600

i had a 3300x before in it

and it worked fine

3300x got busted

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that should work. How exactly did the old one die?

[dawn dirge]

my brother broke a pin on it

the pin was responsible for holding the cpu in the socket

[grizzled bloom]

Oof.
Have you cleared the cmos?

[dawn dirge]

and when u put the cpu in it rocks in the socket

[dawn dirge]

have not how do i do that

[grizzled bloom]

There's a flat round battery a little bigger than a quarter on the board, usually near the GPU slot area

[dawn dirge]

ok

[grizzled bloom]

Unplug the PC, take that battery out, hold the power button 10 seconds

[dawn dirge]

do i just take it out

ah ok

[grizzled bloom]

Then wait 5 minutes, put it back in, plug in and turn on

[dawn dirge]

ok

should i lay the pc on its back to take it out

[grizzled bloom]

If you want, it's not necessary usually

[dawn dirge]

i just found out that i bought a 3600 and was shipped a ryzen 5 pro 4650g...

[grizzled bloom]

Ah, well that might need a bios update. But still clear the cmos. It's good to do every time you change major hardware.

[dawn dirge]

i just did

[grizzled bloom]

What model motherboard exactly?

[dawn dirge]

asus prime b550m-a wifi micro atx

something like that

[grizzled bloom]

You'll need at least bios version 0236 for that CPU to work

When is the last time you updated? And if you haven't, when did you buy it?

[dawn dirge]

havent updated it but i got it october 9th 2021

[grizzled bloom]

I just double checked and 0236 is the first version available for the board 🙃

[dawn dirge]

so it should work is what ur saying

[grizzled bloom]

It should work yes

[dawn dirge]

.

well

this is

interesting as its not working

[grizzled bloom]

It's still not doing anything when you boot it?

[dawn dirge]

only lights and fans spin no post but ik the monitor works and the display cables work

the keyboard doesnt turn on tho

i was just using the monitor for my laptop so how could it just break within 24 hours

[grizzled bloom]

Try plugging the monitor into the motherboard instead of the GPU

[dawn dirge]

i did

i also switched between hdmi and displayport

i tried different cables

[grizzled bloom]

And you don't have a debug LED on the board either... Hmm

You can try taking out all but one stick of memory next

[dawn dirge]

ok

[grizzled bloom]

And then try a different slot if that doesn't work

[dawn dirge]

ok

[grizzled bloom]

Sometimes a cpu will have a dead memory channel

[dawn dirge]

o

ok

[stoic radish]

Well

Tested motherboard on bench, worked fine

Installed in case, sudden dead DIMM

Tested on box again, dead DIMM

So somehow between me taking it off the box to putting it in the case, a the B2 DIMM slot died

[dawn dirge]

it was the ram

[grizzled bloom]

Don't filter dodge pls

[burnt spear]

Parkour

[grizzled bloom]

So is it the stick or the slot that's not working is the next thing to figure out

[stoic radish]

For who? I know the stick works

[grizzled bloom]

Aquatic

[stoic radish]

Ah

I even tried my old DIMMS and same issue

If the DIMM channel on the CPU went kaput, would the CPU light be on or the DRAM light

[dawn dirge]

i needed to reseat it

[grizzled bloom]

In your case something might have damaged the rear of the pcb or shorted a couple exposed contacts

[grizzled bloom]

Ah cool, that's the best case scenario tbh.

[stoic radish]

I've still submitted RMA

[dawn dirge]

ty for your help. it was much appreciated

[drowsy nymph]

[stoic radish]

Match made in heaven ^

[grizzled bloom]

No the best match is obviously an Intel GPU with an Nvidia CPU

[cerulean wadi]

Nvidia CPU when.

[grizzled bloom]

Tegra

It's for smartphones lol

[cerulean wadi]

Desktop cpu when*.

[vernal cosmos]

grace

[grizzled bloom]

When they get that ARM deal finally

We haven't heard the last of that

They just need more time to put money in the right pockets...

[frosty depot]

How do I go about finding out how many LED lights are supported by my jrainbow header?

[grizzled bloom]

The exact number will vary, some take more power than others. Just like fans.

It might give you an estimate in your manual though

[frosty depot]

Alright. I'll check when I get home then. I don't remember seeing anything about it though when looking through it a couple days ago. Is it like amperage I'm looking for?

[grizzled bloom]

That's a start

[frosty depot]

Alright. I remember seeing that, just can't remember what it is.. if I plug more lights than it's able to supply power then they just won't turn on?

I only have 3 jrainbow headers, so I was thinking I might need to daisy chain a couple fan controllers together.

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen one header do 4-6 fans before, if it's not enough power the one on the end usually flickers on and off

[frosty depot]

Oof. Ok. I'm currently able to use 5 fans on one header.. so I'm hoping 6 will be fine on 1.

[latent osprey]

sry if I’m interrupting something

but

so right now I’m looking into buying a motherboard off of kijiji (local Canadian eBay). The guy bought the mobo new but never used it cuz he was waiting for GPU prices to drop, now he has a full time job and can’t find time to use it so he’s selling all the parts unused for like half off. Here’s the question; He has a warranty for 3 years from Newegg, would I still be able to use the warranty if I bought it or would he be the only one to be able to use it?

[burnt spear]

Are you making a full new build?

[latent osprey]

upgrading

its a b550 plus tuf

[burnt spear]

What are you upgrading from and what's the budget?

And what parts do you need?

I'm assuming cpu mobo and maybe ram?

[latent osprey]

upgrading from an h270m plus and 7600k

to 5600x and this moon

mobo

[burnt spear]

I would go 12400/f over 5600x

[latent osprey]

he just told me he can do 125cad for it

[burnt spear]

Its slightly better perf and tends to be cheaper

What's your budget for the cpu and mobo together

[latent osprey]

I’ve seen a lot of people say that the 5600x performs the same

[burnt spear]

It's like 3% worse

But very similar

And tends to cost more

[latent osprey]

but regardless they perform similarly and I save a lot on motherboard

[burnt spear]

What's the budget for both

[latent osprey]

cpu and budget would be around 500$ but anything lower is both

all prices in cad

[burnt spear]

Ok one second

[latent osprey]

this deal would make total cost be only 350/400

I just need to know if I could use the warranty then I’m set

first build so not 100% confident

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Bmsjj2

If you go amd get a 5600

It's like 2% worse than the 5600x and cheaper

[latent osprey]

it was either 5600 or 5600x

for valorant n similar games

very cpu demanding

[burnt spear]

5600 has basically same perf as the 5600x

And is cheaper

No noticeable difference

[latent osprey]

k cool

I could make total cost 375 tax included for a better mobo and similar ish cpu

it’d be Asus tuf b550plus and 5600

unless I use a 5600g which is on sale rn for less than the 5600 (is it the same performance?)

this would be the cost of everything new off Newegg

[latent osprey]

I just needa know if I can still use a warranty if I buy it off someone

[vast meadow]

Don't go ryzen 5000 unless you're upgrading from an earlier gen ryzen

[latent osprey]

upgrading from intel 7600k

[vast meadow]

That's a grossly overpriced board even for canada

Go 12th gen intel

[latent osprey]

I’m getting it for 375 total

everything

tax included

[vast meadow]

Motherboard and 5600? How

[latent osprey]

buying used

hol on

[latent osprey]

.

Wait lemme just paste lmao

so right now I’m looking into buying a motherboard off of kijiji (local Canadian eBay). The guy bought the mobo new but never used it cuz he was waiting for GPU prices to drop, now he has a full time job and can’t find time to use it so he’s selling all the parts unused for like half off. Here’s the question; He has a warranty for 3 years from Newegg, would I still be able to use the warranty if I bought it or would he be the only one to be able to use it?

so it’s basically brand new

[vast meadow]

What motherboard and how much are they selling it for

[latent osprey]

just need to know if warranty works 🥲

b550 plus Asus tuf

exact same one

for 125 cad

[vast meadow]

You'd have manufacturer warranty

[latent osprey]

it’s a steal imo

[vast meadow]

It's okay

[latent osprey]

ye that’s what I was thinking as well

[vast meadow]

It's only a 150$ cad board so it's not really worth the difference especially on a dying platform

[latent osprey]

it’s 200 new on Newegg🥲

also wym dying platform

btw im just tryna run valorant

if that changes anything

most demanding game id be playing is sea of thieves💀

[vast meadow]

Yeah but it's not worth that much

[latent osprey]

mhm

[vast meadow]

Ryzen 5000 is the last cpu for that generation of board so it's a dead platform - no upgradability

[latent osprey]

I wasn’t planning on really upgrading

[vast meadow]

Still it adds value when selling it down the road
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/QYPsHz

You should do this

[latent osprey]

pcpartpicker doesn’t calculate tax tho

so it’d be around 434

[vast meadow]

Right

If you went the 5600 + b550 route, try haggle down to 115 or something imo

[latent osprey]

thing is I alrd asked 140 off of the 150 price he had and he offered me 125

so asking for 115 would be really pushing it

but ig I could just make the 10$ off of one work shift

student wage go crazy🙏🙏

[vast meadow]

They were insane asking 150 for that board when it's 2nd hand

[latent osprey]

never used and no tax so I’m guessing it balances out

he probably just checked the price where he bought it and discounted it off that

so final verdict would it be worth buying?

[vast meadow]

Sure

[finite shuttle]

So I found a ryzen 5 1600 that I got years back

is it better to sell it

or to build a secondary/side pc

[burnt spear]

If its for your brother, go for it

Doesn't sound like he needs anything stronger

[finite shuttle]

he doesn't want it lol

[burnt spear]

Ah

Then I'd sell it

[finite shuttle]

so why is it like 150~200 again

[burnt spear]

It isn't

I wouldnt pay more than $50 for one

Considering $100 gets you a 12100f that destroys it

[finite shuttle]

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600/p/274-003V-00043?Description=ryzen 5 1600&cm_re=ryzen_5 1600-_-9SIAMNEFUR5451-_-Product&quicklink=true

more expensive than 5600x

smh

[burnt spear]

Buying a discontinued product from retailer isn't smart

The prices go up when it's discontinued

Look at ebay sold listings

And you'll have an idea of what they go for

[finite shuttle]

still like $200+

[burnt spear]

Sold listings

[finite shuttle]

am I looking at the right stuff

[burnt spear]

Not active

Looks like a max of $80

[finite shuttle]

so what is it good for now

[burnt spear]

...$80?

[finite shuttle]

uh I meant the cpu

[burnt spear]

Max

Yes?

As in what can it be used for?

[finite shuttle]

Yes

[burnt spear]

What any other cpu can be used for?

[finite shuttle]

I guess...?

[burnt spear]

Can be used in a low end gaming pc

Web browsing for an older person

[finite shuttle]

If I want to stream, would it be oaky to build a streaming comp?

[burnt spear]

Probably

[finite shuttle]

with the 1030?

[burnt spear]

For streaming you want a decent gpu

Not sure the 1030 has a good enough encoder

[finite shuttle]

how about 16xx stuff

[burnt spear]

Should be fine

[finite shuttle]

I mean this will be a future project

[burnt spear]

Or 1060 6gb

[finite shuttle]

after my main comp is done

[burnt spear]

Woulda been a good idea for a nvidia gpu instead of an amd one if you were streaming though :p

Though a 6700xt streaming might still beat a 3060 streaming

[finite shuttle]

so main pc will be 6700xt

and second pc for stream will be 1060

but then

no one gonna watch me anyways

[burnt spear]

Or something like that

[finite shuttle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe I will just make YT videos

😭

[burnt juniper]

i have the Hynix 4GB 1Rx8 PC3L-12800S-11-13-B4 RAM can i add another one to make it 8 gb ram on my computer?

[polar moth]

So since I upgraded my GPU to 3070ti from 3060ti. My cpu is facing a slight bottleneck -

i5-10400
32gb 3000mhz ram
3070ti

I'm looking at i7-11700k for a cpu upgrade. My motherboard is Gigabyte B560 DS3H AC y1

Any suggestions? I'll keep my i5-10400 for some awhile that I can save up some money

[grizzled bloom]

There's not much point getting a K processor, since you can't overclock it anyway. Just get regular 11700

[burnt spear]

or just 10700/11600k

near identical performance

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah true

[burnt spear]

thou tbh i wouldnt really upgrade from a 10400 to the same socket

not unless youre selling the 10400 for less than $75 loss

even thats way pushing it

[polar moth]

Ok thanks and why would you not upgrade the 10400?

[burnt spear]

not much of an upgrade to anything

maybe 10100 to 11600k would be a decent upgrade

[polar moth]

Alright

Only wanted to upgrade where there is no bottleneck between my 3070ti

[burnt spear]

10400 and 3070 ti is really fine

its impossible to not have a bottle neck

but there wont be a noticable difference between 10400 and 11700 in most games

[rare orbit]

yeah 10400 is actually a nice little CPU, my buddy rolled with one for a while next to a 3090 and his LG CX

CPU time around 5-10 ms, it kept up well..

[polar moth]

Good to know.

[rare orbit]

it's a better CPU when you remove power limits, though cooling

[polar moth]

I have a Hyper 212 evo on it, under load it's 32-40 C

on all various games

[burnt spear]

what are you using to view that temps

because that isnt accurate

[polar moth]

MSI afterburner and Remote System Server Temps

[burnt spear]

afterburner shows gpu temps

that second one i have never heard of

[polar moth]

It's an remote server application for a old android phone to display stats in your PC case

[burnt spear]

that sounds extremely wrong

no cpu is gaming under load on a heatsink at 40c

youd need a 420mm aio on a 10100 to get that

[polar moth]

10400

I dont have a 10100 rn

[burnt spear]

yes...

i didnt say you did

[polar moth]

okok yeah

[burnt spear]

i said to have a cpu running at 40c while gaming youd have to have a super overkill aio for a super underkill cpu

[polar moth]

I might be misinforming my temps, I can re-confirm this by playing a game or a cpu stress test

[burnt spear]

i would use hwinfo64

[polar moth]

What game or a test?

[burnt spear]

anything heavy, cinebench r23 works

[polar moth]

cinebench r23 it is

Mutli core or single core? this test is all new to me
also should I turn off secondary monitor if it affects testing?

[burnt spear]

mc will give a full load temp

single core will give more accurate to gaming temps

[polar moth]

Close all applications?

[burnt spear]

doesnt matter

youre just doing it to see temps

[polar moth]

pass 1 and cpu is peaking at 40c

[burnt spear]

very weird

[polar moth]

if you don't believe me...

also hwinfo seems to be correct, while my case phone is lagging to display a correct temp.

oh I see.. it was pulling a max watt of 12 watts

or is that normal?

[grizzled bloom]

Uh, no

[polar moth]

Well what is going on with my CPU then?

[grizzled bloom]

12 W is lower than most use on idle

[polar moth]

Yikes.

[grizzled bloom]

Are you sure you were looking at max and not min?