cpus-mobo-and-memory

[scenic solar]

Guess what...

😐 🤨 😎

YeeEeAHHH

There was only one thing that I didn't check before thinking it was broken... The power brick... It was the problem
I got a 19v (instead of 19.5) 4.3A

And it works fine

Aaand... I don't even know how it works

Bruh it is from 2019, and was thrown away 2 years later... 😐

And now it's mine

The OS only uses 1.1GB off the disk

[main pulsar]

yea is a thin client

[scenic solar]

Maybe it is a bit older than I thought XD

[main pulsar]

thin clients are p cool, but you need a server to use them

although if you dont wanna pay ms licensing costs, they should be able to connect to a linux server

[scenic solar]

I want to try modding it somehow

Adding an nvme/sata ssd

And downloading win10
Or maybe win7

It's a bit powerful
4core 2GHz

[main pulsar]

depends on the chip

[scenic solar]

It has got so many thing that I don't even know what they are, mostly network tools

[main pulsar]

yeah its a thin client

its a network device essentially

[scenic solar]

AMD GX420Gl

[main pulsar]

doubt it

i dont think windows would work

or maybe you could pull off something like windows xp

due to limited instruction sets

[scenic solar]

I was able to make Win7 run smoothly on another client (2core and 1.4ghz)

[main pulsar]

i mean if youve already done it

then go ahead

[scenic solar]

Win7 is the best option for me

Win XP too many limitations

[main pulsar]

yeah win xp useless

[scenic solar]

I have an official copy of win XP on dvd

Which is pretty rare since you can't find it online anymore

Also a win8 official copy 🤢

[cerulean wadi]

Yea people don't bother to sell a 20 yr old OS, imagine that. - plus XP was sort of around when cpus started going 64bit. That was part of the big deal about Vista, but of course Win7 was a super polished version of vista. My E8400 pc still running on Win7 right now

[scenic solar]

Literally, the dvd has never been opened since 2002

[main pulsar]

nice shelf decor

[scenic solar]

And I opened it 20years later

[scenic solar]

Yeah, the dvd has also a cool holographic pattern

Xd, can't photograph holographic patterns

[midnight pollen]

need to control that lighting

[scenic solar]

I had the lamp on top

And my phone doesn't have a good camera

[naive pendant]

@glad socket i have a qustion if an item listed by a 3rd party seller is legit or scammy? can u help?

[vast meadow]

They don't respond to tags, you can dm them or paste the link and ask here

[grizzled bloom]

Figured it was that yeah

[scenic solar]

At least now I have 2 working clients

I still have to check the firs because I baked it at 250C with a heat gun

[grizzled bloom]

We're pretty good about picking out scams if you post the link here

[naive pendant]

https://www.newegg.com/amd-epyc-7252-socket-sp3/p/N82E16819113597?Item=9SIAFVFHK25471

i really need an epyc rome cpu

[scenic solar]

Or I'm just gonna take the ram and SSD out of it and upgrade the other one

[vast meadow]

It's probably fine, pretty stupid to get an 8 core epyc

[naive pendant]

dont need more cores i need the pcie lanes

[vast meadow]

How many pcie lanes?

And for what

Threadripper should have plenty for example

[naive pendant]

i will be running a 3090, 2 sn850 2 tb nvme drives and a 24 port hba raid card

yes but threadripper isnt running at 120 watt tdp

[vast meadow]

And?

[naive pendant]

thats alll

[vast meadow]

Yeah am saying and as in why would you need epyc for all those pcie lanes

[naive pendant]

i would hapily use my r5 3600 if it can handle it

because zen3 is only 24 lanes

might or might not be enough

[vast meadow]

How many lanes does the raid card need?

[naive pendant]

8

then 8 for gpu and 4 per nvme

so 8 +8 +4+4 is 24

and that wont iclude chipset etc

so u see why i worry

[vast meadow]

No

[vast meadow]

Wdym by this?

[naive pendant]

chipset usually needs 4 lanes i believe

[vast meadow]

Chipset gives lanes not takes them away

[hollow thorn]

Chipset takes 4 lanes from CPU, gives it back & more

[vast meadow]

The first 16 lanes + first nvme is (4 lanes) is directly cpu, the rest chipset adds

[naive pendant]

so can i get away with an x570

i wanna

[vast meadow]

X570 will give more than enough

[naive pendant]

would be so much chheaper

was looking at thishttps://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Pro-WS-Workstation-Motherboard/dp/B07SYWKXJV/?encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=Y6NZf&pf_rd_p=5fe95cd4-8512-42fa-bf21-63d83b898785&pf_rd_r=TWXM28BKRRT4TDAE4Y4Q&pd_rd_r=0b24254a-18f8-4400-bcda-0d071e853de0&pd_rd_wg=2sq5y&ref=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mr_hp_atf_m

[hollow thorn]

I don't even remember what makes that board so expensive

it's not the board with thunderbolt

it's just expensive

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XV6qqs/gigabyte-x570-aorus-elite-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-aorus-elite-wifi

[naive pendant]

nope hell no not getting giggabyte

never again

[vast meadow]

that's a fantastic motherboard

[naive pendant]

ill get a tai chi 1st

board may be good but the tech support monkeys are idiots

[hollow thorn]

could go tomahawk

[naive pendant]

maybe

[hollow thorn]

there's no nice price to perf x570 boards tbh

[naive pendant]

i have a B450 on hand that i will be replacing

[hollow thorn]

tomahawk at 220$ isn't bad but still expensive

[vast meadow]

I'd proabbe go
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QVn8TW/asrock-x570-steel-legend-wifi-ax-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-steel-legend-wifi-ax

[naive pendant]

im ok with 300-350

[vast meadow]

That's disgusting for a x570

[naive pendant]

steel legend is nice but i prefer tai chi

[vast meadow]

?

Taichi is an oc motherboard

[naive pendant]

i have an x370 tai chi with 1700 on it but need more power

[vast meadow]

Made for extreme oc

[naive pendant]

ya but its also very stable

[vast meadow]

Can also go extreme4
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tJxbt6/asrock-x570-extreme4-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-extreme4

[hollow thorn]

doesn't look like board does 8/8 anyways

[vast meadow]

Just as stable as the other ones

[hollow thorn]

just x16/x4

[vast meadow]

Oh yeah

[hollow thorn]

extreme4 too

[naive pendant]

the workstation board is x8 x8 x8

if that can run like that and populate the 2 nvmes at x4 x4

id be golden

and i dont need thunderbolt

[vast meadow]

I guess check the asus tuf plus and msi tomahawk then

[vast meadow]

Any board can do the nvmes just fine

[hollow thorn]

This does 8/8
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SW925DQ

bunch of gigabyte boards do too

X570 unify also does 8/8/4

[vast meadow]

I'd imagine the tuf does as well then?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dmGnTW/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi

[hollow thorn]

doesn't look like it

[vast meadow]

If so I'd grab that

Bruh

[hollow thorn]

only 16/4

[vast meadow]

Prime is literally a lower tier board

@_@

[hollow thorn]

the 'pro' moniker is probably what does it

[vast meadow]

What about the tuf pro then lol

[hollow thorn]

only 16/4 lmao

time to link the one high end x570 board I like the look of lel
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-X570-Unify-Motherboard-Bluetooth/dp/B07ZG6YG1K/

turns out tomahawk only 16/4 too

guess it costs more to split the lanes

[vast meadow]

Very Asus moment

[hollow thorn]

mm

[subtle wadi]

whats a good cheap 2x16 gb ram

[burnt spear]

didnt i make a whole parts list for you

[subtle wadi]

yea

is 104 a good price for 32 gb of ram?

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

more to ram than just amount

[worldly rain]

whats the specs and brand?

[burnt spear]

speed and timings matter too

[worldly rain]

is it USD?

[naive pendant]

this is on its way to mehttps://www.newegg.com/amd-epyc-7252-socket-sp3/p/N82E16819113597?Item=9SIAFVFHK25471

[hoary echo]

is it unusual for my laptop to be at 80C when i have 30+ open tabs on chrome?

[hollow thorn]

normal laptop things

[cursive epoch]

^

[scenic solar]

Which is worth more:
i5 12400, 12500 or 12600
?

[grizzled bloom]

What do you mean? Which is the best value?

[scenic solar]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

12500 is a 12600 with a cold, 12400 has similar gaming performance to both (about 7% less than 12600 for 25% less cost)

Out of the 3 I'd just go 12400

[scenic solar]

Why should the MSRP be for the 12400?

It's almost the same as the 5600x but cheaper

[vast meadow]

Yeah it's like ~175

And 12600k has 4 e cores that the others don't have btw

[grizzled bloom]

Current price is $175 yeah, msrp is closer to $200

$175 12400 vs a $230 12600 that's only 7% better? No brainer to me

Unless you need every frame, in which case you jump to the K

[vast meadow]

12600 non k is just not worth it imo

[scenic solar]

Yeah but 12600k is really expensive

[vast meadow]

It's like ~100 more than the 12400 yeah

[grizzled bloom]

$260 for the KF but you do get 4 e-cores

[vast meadow]

Imo those 4 e cores are gonna help it age a bit better

[grizzled bloom]

Or just go 12400 now and upgrade to 13600k later?

You've got an upgrade path after all

13th gen looking spicy

[vast meadow]

That's also an option, feel like not many want to do a 1 gen upgrade

[grizzled bloom]

That's why you go up a tier in the process

Going from a 1060 to a 2070 for me got double fps in some games

[vast meadow]

I meant more cpu gen than gpu

But yeah

[scenic solar]

what's the difference between i5 12400F and non F? Only iGPU?
Nothing else?

[vast meadow]

Just the igpu

[vast slate]

What does one do with memory once you’ve upgraded?

Cause now I have 16gb I don’t know what to do with

[vast meadow]

Sell/pass down to family member/different pc in your house

[scenic fjord]

Will appreciate any help I can get, so I’m trying to update bios for new ryzen 5000, so I formatted a usb with latest version for mobo in fat32, restarted pc and hit delete, clicked into m-flash, stuck bios usb in bios port on mobo, pc restarted and now only get a no signal on monitor but all peripherals are on. What should I do now?

[devout needle]

is it smart to swap out a current 3600x and upgrade to a 5600x?

prices are pretty much identical

[worldly rain]

that depends what you have for a gpu...

[devout needle]

3060ti, my bad should've clarified

[cerulean wadi]

5600x is a bit of an upgrade, but probably not. Put the $160+ to a farther out purchase, or something you actually need more. 1440p?

[devout needle]

1080p

[worldly rain]

you.ll gain like 10 fps with a 3060ti and a 5600x

and as low as 5...

not really worth the upgrade for gaming

[devout needle]

okay cool

thank you thank you

[grizzled bloom]

What motherboard and what is the old and new CPU?

[worldly rain]

@scenic fjord what he said ^

[scenic fjord]

Msi mpg b550 gaming plus, ryzen 7 3700x -> ryzen 9 5900x

@grizzled bloom @worldly rain

[worldly rain]

use the bios flashback?

@scenic fjord

[scenic fjord]

No I tried using the flash method when you go into bios @worldly rain

Or are you telling me to?

[worldly rain]

well sounds like you might have to now

[scenic fjord]

Ok

[worldly rain]

just make sure you use a smaller usb like 6 gig

my tomahawk wouldn't work with anything bigger

[scenic fjord]

The flash drive I have is 16 gb but I have a 2gb, will that be enough for bios?

[worldly rain]

yup

try that and let me know

[cerulean wadi]

Bios file is like 20MB tops. 👍

[scenic fjord]

Should I unplug my computer before I do anything else?

[cerulean wadi]

If you're doing the normal in-bios upgrade, no just plug in flash drive & reboot then go to bios

Oh yeah the flashback deal. I think you'd powerdown but leave pc plugged in. Not totally familiar w/ "flashback"

[scenic fjord]

Do I have to unplug or remove any parts or components?

[cerulean wadi]

Shouldn't, & flashback afaik is the thing that you can even do w/ no cpu installed because that's what it's for.

[vast meadow]

Personally I'd go 5700x instead

[scenic fjord]

ok not sure if it did the update to new bios but pc is back up and running again so that already makes me feel 100x better😮‍💨

will go to bios now to see if it updated

[devout needle]

yea I asked for the comparison between both of those specific cpus because the 5600x is on sale right now. So I just wanted to know if it was worth to switch over

[worldly rain]

@scenic fjord glad it's up and going

Verify the new bios

[scenic fjord]

so bios didn't update

can someone give the steps i need to do to do this correctly to see where i messed up?

[worldly rain]

go into bios, Mflash, usb, click new bios. and wait

thats all...

with Flashback, its button till usb flashes wait till it boots

[scenic fjord]

OK so the same thing happened where I click on M flash and it restarts and then just goes to black screen with no signal

[worldly rain]

does it take you to flash mode?

[vast meadow]

Imo it's usually not worth upgrading to next gen unless you're upgrading a tier as well e.g r5 3600(x) ->5700x

[scenic fjord]

It goes into flash mode, I assume, but no output display is available

[worldly rain]

it should go to flash mode and you should get a gui to select new bios

once you select enter flash mode, takes a few seconds like 20... then the gui shows up

[scenic fjord]

Ye when I got to this part before I left it like this since 9 am but when I came back home it still was the same situation

Will try flashback method

[worldly rain]

try flashback and let me know

[scenic fjord]

Do I just power pc on like reg then hit button or when pc is off?

[worldly rain]

when pc is off

[cerulean wadi]

$160ish? Eh idk, I'd almost not recommend the change but perhaps could sell old cpu to make up some of the difference.

[scenic fjord]

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

From your manual

[cerulean wadi]

Rtfm

[grizzled bloom]

This is one of those models that requires the bios file be renamed to something specific, and requires a specific port for the USB

[scenic fjord]

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

Your flash bios port is the one right next to the button, closest to the board

[scenic fjord]

OK computer turned on after I press flash button

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, check the bios and see if it updated

[scenic fjord]

it is updated and all good

thanks everyone and may you all be blessed

[worldly rain]

nailed it

[oak apex]

yo i9 is better than ryzen 9 right

[grizzled bloom]

Which ones exactly? There's dozens of i9 processors and about a dozen R9 ones

[dull shuttle]

is 200mhz worth 5 dollars and no rgb

for ram

[cerulean wadi]

3000 vs 3200? Not exactly, but 3200 (cL16) is the general "standard" choice for ram.

[dull shuttle]

but is it worth no rgb

it is 3000 vs 3200

both cl 16

[grizzled bloom]

3000c16 is sad memory

[dull shuttle]

wdym

[worldly rain]

3200 is like the minimum stardard

[dull shuttle]

wait cl15

[worldly rain]

cl16

[dull shuttle]

the 3000 is cl15 and the 3200 is cl16 but no rgb

[grizzled bloom]

I can probably find a used kit for cheaper and better than new if you're looking that low budget

Memory has lifetime warranty, it doesn't really die

[dull shuttle]

its a 32gb ram kit

for 89 and 85

[grizzled bloom]

And you're putting that on the 9600k?

[dull shuttle]

12600k

[grizzled bloom]

Dude no

Please don't

[dull shuttle]

i only have 2666 rn

what should i do then

[grizzled bloom]

3200 c16 is barely passable up to the 12400

[dull shuttle]

what should i get

[vast meadow]

To be fair, 3600cl16 is 1.5x the price of 3200c16

[grizzled bloom]

What do you need 32gb for?

[dull shuttle]

nothing just want it

[steel bluff]

Chrome users 😭😭

[worldly rain]

all them tabs!!!!

[dull shuttle]

Lol

but 16 is fine

nothing is wrong with 16

[vast meadow]

32gb is really becoming the standard for something like a 12600k level cpu

[grizzled bloom]

Only because that's the smallest ddr5 will do in 2 sticks

[worldly rain]

I mean im not gonna harp on him I have 32 gigs

just because LoL

[dull shuttle]

i could go for lower gb and faster mem

memory

[worldly rain]

16 gigs is fine for normal use and gaming

[dull shuttle]

thats all i do

but when warzone gets an update

it eats it up

[worldly rain]

you running a RX570?

[dull shuttle]

of course

best gpu

for ptp

imo

[worldly rain]

thats beauty

[dull shuttle]

i have used it for 2-3 years

never gave me a problem

and got it used

[worldly rain]

got your money worth

[dull shuttle]

yes it was 80 dollars

[worldly rain]

defiantly

I was gonna say, get 16 gig 3600 C16 and put money towards gpu

but if your happy with the 570

[dull shuttle]

not right now

[devout moth]

Darth Vader#5487 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[worldly rain]

16g 3600 c16 is your best bet for daily

3200 minimum

[dull shuttle]

what about 16gb 4000 cl18

is higer better for cl

or lower

[worldly rain]

no

lower

[devout moth]

Darth Vader#5487 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

Darth Vader#5487 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[dull shuttle]

bruh i was trying to send link to ram

[worldly rain]

didn't like that

[dull shuttle]

no it didnt

well its a ddr4 4000 cl18

[worldly rain]

im gonna say the CL16 3600 and CL18 4000 will be so similar

at the point get the cheaper

[dull shuttle]

can you send a link to one you think is good

[worldly rain]

unless your good at ram tuning, the 4000 would down clock and tighten the timings and be faster

[vernal cosmos]

what cpu u got?

[dull shuttle]

12600k

they took away my nitro boost

becasue io was trying to give link to ram

[vernal cosmos]

ah 4000c18 be fine

whats the budget for the ram?

[dull shuttle]

liek 94 toatal

[grizzled bloom]

Gotta trim those links, and only do maybe 2 links per post. Bot is sensitive.

[vast meadow]

Nah i mean for ddr4 too, 16gb is becoming the minimum

Ddr4 or 5 doesn't matter

[dull shuttle]

i found a ddr4 3600 cl16 for 75

[vast meadow]

16gb? I thought you where going 32?

[dull shuttle]

yeah but they said that if you were only gaming 16 is fine

[vast meadow]

Personally I'd go 32gb

16gb is becoming the minimum

[dull shuttle]

but i would have lower spec memory

[vast meadow]

You only neeeeed 16 but with a mid-high end chip like the 12600k I'd go 32gb, and tbh 3200c16 is fine not a huge difference from something like 3600cl6 at xmp, yes there's a difference but manual ram oc is wayyyy more beneficial than xmp

[dull shuttle]

there is 2 that i can choose from with 32gb ddr4 3000 cl15 and ddr4 3200 cl16

and the 3000 has rgb

[worldly rain]

hes only running a 570

so 16gig is lots

[dull shuttle]

i can upgrade later maybe

but im going to upgrade my gpu next gen

[worldly rain]

just my opinion by the time you need 32 gigs, your probably going to need DDR5 anyway

unless you take up like 8k video editing LoL

[dull shuttle]

i also only play 1080p if that helps

[worldly rain]

Vengance LPX would be my cheap go to

[dull shuttle]

could you link it?

[vast meadow]

Ewwww

[vast meadow]

Grab some silicon power 3200c16 for 105

[dull shuttle]

I only got 94

I think I’m going to get some cl15. 3000

And it’s 32 go

Gb

And rub

Rgb

[frigid willow]

do you need ram immediately?

[dull shuttle]

Not really just one of my 8gb of 16 broke and I want to get more

Cl15 3000 is cl16 3200

[devout needle]

yea true, ty ty

[obtuse mountain]

Yo why is my ram arriving inside wet packaging?

[grizzled bloom]

That'll be the shipping company

[obtuse mountain]

The outer packing was fine but inside is full it condensation

[grizzled bloom]

It probably got wet some time during shipping and it dried the outside before it got to you

[naive pendant]

speaking of ram, i had to accept an ebay return because the ram i sold someone was "defective" 🤡

i swear, if it actually works im gonna be

[scenic solar]

What the heck is
Via Eden X2 u4200 CPU?
Who made this CPU? What brand?

[grizzled bloom]

Charge restock fee if it's a false defective claim. I keep that in my terms when I'm selling, right under the shipping info.

[grizzled bloom]

Via made it of course https://www.viatech.com/en/silicon/processors/eden-x2/

[obtuse mountain]

Alright heres a question. I just installed the 64gb kit and it took forever for windows to boot. All 64gb are registered and running at rated speed but my 4tb hdd is now not recognized. What the hell is happening

Ive been building and upgrading PCs for years and have never had this issue. The HDD in question is a WD blue 4tb thats less than 2 months old.

[vast meadow]

Probably just loosened the sata/sata power cable

[obtuse mountain]

I checked and reseated both hdds connectors and can see it in device manager but can't access it at all. Running dism and scannow to see if something currupted

[obtuse mountain]

The 4tb has 100% activity in TM but has no response read or write. This is so confusing

[scenic solar]

100% usage is never good on HDDs

[vernal cosmos]

Task manager is often incorrect

[frigid sail]

update with the 4400mhz ram. It turns out that the mobo was the issue. i got the mobo replaced because the mobo completely died and 4400mhz is working great on my new one

[burnt spear]

i would recommend downclockint to 3800 with as low timings as you can

4400 is way too fast for most if not all ryzen chips

[frigid sail]

i’m planning to swap ram with a friend

i’ll be taking his 3600mhz 32gb

[burnt spear]

ah

is it 3600c16?

[frigid sail]

i believe so

[burnt spear]

thats good

c18 is worse than 3200c16

[frigid sail]

he accidentally bought memory for amd rather than intel

[burnt spear]

3600c16 is still great for intel

[frigid sail]

yea but atleast he’s gonna benefit from 4400mhz

[burnt spear]

mm

[frigid sail]

he bought the trident z neos

[frosty depot]

12th gen?

[frigid sail]

10th

[cursive epoch]

even 10th gen is gonna benefit from it

[obtuse mountain]

I just upgraded from AEGIS 2x8gb running 3200 to ripjaws v 4x16gb at 3200. Same timings, same voltage, both xmp 2.0 but everything is running slower. Like boot time went from seconds to almost 10min

On a ryzen 5 3600x @ 4.0 boost

[burnt spear]

was it the first boot?

or has it been multipe

[obtuse mountain]

Multiple. I didn't get a good seat on the first attempt

[burnt spear]

odd

only thing i can think of is the imc sucks on your board or cpu, but idt thatd cause a 10min boot time

[obtuse mountain]

Once it booted finally it was really slow and my 2mo 4tb wd blue stopped being recognized

Is the b450 not capable of 64gb of ram as advertised or could that be a bios issue?

[burnt spear]

oh... 64gb

i misread

i would take out two sticks

and see what happens

[vast meadow]

That's not a thing, just branding

[obtuse mountain]

Ok my E drive is showing up again with just 32gb installed in B channel. Think either my bios had a major change or my A channel slots are bogus

[grizzled bloom]

64GB on a B450 using 4 sticks is going to be rough at best. You'll need to do some tweaking on voltage and stuff for sure.

[obtuse mountain]

Everything i read on both manufacturers websites coincided with each other. My b450 supports 64 and the kit is a 64 kit. I didnt see anything stating that it was limited to a single channel or anything like that

[cerulean wadi]

64GB of any sort is harder on the imc, lnown fact. Sadly a lot of stuff incl most b450 would often need tweaking as Fal said to get going good

[obtuse mountain]

And over loading the imc would cause longer than norm boot times and SATA devices to drop dead?

[grizzled bloom]

It can in extreme cases

Long boot times for sure

[obtuse mountain]

If i upgrade mobo to x570 would i then be able to use all 4 for a full 64?

[grizzled bloom]

It's more a function of the IMC, which is on the processor

You should be able to adjust voltages and resistances to get it to work

[obtuse mountain]

Ok so i should have looked at the memory capability of my ryzen 5 3600x first

[grizzled bloom]

It's a matter of luck really, sometimes you get a good IMC and sometimes you get one that needs some (or a lot of) tweaking

[devout moth]

puddlejumper6999#9339 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[obtuse mountain]

😒

[grizzled bloom]

We can help you with the overclock and everything, lots of us are good at it.
You can start by changing vSOC to 1.1v

I'd help more but I'm about to be busy the rest of the day

[burnt spear]

Well, what do you use your pc for?

64gb tends to be overkill

Especially with a 3600x

[obtuse mountain]

Pretty much everything browsing viewing streaming gaming 3D modeling whatever I need it for and playing 2042 do I noticed that I was maxing out my Ram and it was causing stuttering and crashing issues

[burnt spear]

How much did you have before?

Bf2042 should not max out 32

Even with other stuff open

[mild jackal]

The main benefit of x570 is that 4.0 link to the chipset.

Though, a 2nd gen x570 like the dark hero or any b550 will have a much improved memory layout

I would go for 32GB crucial kits if you need 64GB

2x32 sticks are usually at a huge price premium

But hey - quad rank b-die can be decent

Just no sweaty 3800c14 etc

[obtuse mountain]

I was at 8 GB by 2 aegis 3200 and I came to the four sticks of 16 at 3200

[burnt spear]

Yeah...

Take two of the sticks out

You'll be more than fine

I've got 32gb, I haven't even hit 24 with cold war, OBS, discord, chrome and task manager open

Can sell the other two sticks or smthn

See if a friend needs them maybe

[obtuse mountain]

I got multiple PCS so I'll just stick them in something else for now

[hard leaf]

yeah 64gb is way too much stress for the memory controller, 32 is more than enough unless you are doing some crazy 4k video editing

[obtuse mountain]

It just sucks that under all of the information that I could gather that I could do this upgrade and it not work and I mean my main monitor is a 21 by 9 for 3440 X 1440 with a secondary at 1920 x 1080

[mild jackal]

64GB is easy enough on the imc if you have anything crucial, ideally two 32GB sticks of dual rank rev.b

[errant grail]

what does cache do?

just wondering

[mild jackal]

It's the memory between the cpu and the ram

[errant grail]

lower the better?

[mild jackal]

?

[errant grail]

wwell i see

from new amd

5800x3d

512 kb

and my 11700k has 16mb

[mild jackal]

You're comparing l1 cache to l3

5800x3d has 96MB of L3, 5800x has 32MB

[errant grail]

ah i see got it ty

[mild jackal]

Somewhat related - https://gist.github.com/jboner/2841832

Very interesting

[errant grail]

tyty'

[naive pendant]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303172580214 this is sorta interesting

[dim cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-ill-take-your-entire-stock-meme-stock-gif-13266836

[scenic solar]

R5 2400G + GTX 1060 6GB + 16GB RAM 2400MHz (up to 3200)
Bottlenecks? probably the ram @2400mhz is bad

[vast meadow]

Ram and cpu

[scenic solar]

Good CPU that doesn't bottleneck? 2600? x?

Also the ram is 1*16gb I think also 1Rx16 and Cl22

I should get better one right?

[vast meadow]

Oh god yeah get new ram asap

You want 2x8gb

[scenic solar]

Yeah

I just got the bad ram because it was 57€

[vast meadow]

Ehh I'd look for a used ryzen 5 3600, they're going for around 100€

[scenic solar]

Instead of usual 80€

[vast meadow]

But that's the price of a 2x8gb kit of 3200c16 💀

[scenic solar]

Not in Italy (used one)

Here we still have 70-80€ RAM

Cheapest used R5 3600 is 150€

Bruh

No good

But found a 2600x for 100€ (can get it to 90€)

Oh I didn't specify this thing: the case is (homemade) itx and it becomes an oven with 3 gen ryzen

So R5 2600x should be fine (with arctic freezer 34 eSports duo it stays at max. 52°C when under load)

[vast meadow]

Okay, 10€ more than what you paid, but that's worth it for the dual channel alone, let alone the speed
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#select_none

[vast meadow]

The 3600 isn't any hotter than 2600x tbh

[scenic solar]

Yes it is I had 2600x and when I swapped to the 3600 it became an oven

Maybe it's because I've got 3600x

It is a bit hotter (around +8°C)
https://youtu.be/vQQMdWHKLmA

Maybe depends on the cooler

[vast meadow]

Not a major difference

Keep an eye on these
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/144539062629
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/325178408824
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/374053818638
@scenic solar

[scenic solar]

Mmh
Ok, the first one it's probably not good because it has 50€ shipping for me

[vast meadow]

Yeah same but if the bid stays below €60 then it works out the same

[scenic solar]

Yep

[scenic solar]

Can you find me 16gb ram (good ones) for cheap? Possibly not an auction so I can buy it now

[vast meadow]

I already sent a new kit a few messages above but i can have a look on ebay

[scenic solar]

Ok

I've got also a random question for you, what happens if you put CPU multiplier at 1x? That's 100mhz... Will it boot into bios?

[vast meadow]

I don't see any decent price picks :/

[vast meadow]

Do you mean bus speed? I'm not sure what you mean

[scenic solar]

Setting the CPU clock to 100mhz

By setting the multiplier to 1x

[scenic solar]

Should I make a bid last moment? Like the last 10 minutes?

[vast meadow]

I'd do last minute personally

[scenic solar]

I've never bought on eBay but I know how auction work. is there a particular price (compared to the highest offer/bid) you have to put?

Like if the highest bid is 95.63 can i put 95.64?

[vast meadow]

Usually the minimum bid is current bid +€1 but it will tell you if you press the bid button

Sometimes it's €5

[scenic solar]

Oh ok, 5 is acceptable

[scenic solar]

You said there isn't a big difference in temperature between 2600x and 3600x
What I noticed (when I upgraded my main PC build) is that the 2600x ran at 52-54°C with CPU fan at 80/90% speed. but with the new build, the 3600x runs at 69-70°C with fan at 100% speed
That's a big difference

Both stock speeds

[grizzled bloom]

Did you get new paste? You probably need to remount

[scenic solar]

The temps are completely fine for my CPU (I also checked a video where the 3600x + arctic freezer 34 eSports duo got to 74°C)

I can't find a benchmark for 2600x and arctic freezer 34 eSports duo

I remember putting all the 0.8g tube of paste on the 2600x

Maybe that affected a bit?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah a 65W CPU shouldn't be getting that hot still

[scenic solar]

I don't think it is exactly 65w

[grizzled bloom]

It probably uses more yes, AMD doesn't actually use power in their TDP calculation

[scenic solar]

I checked reviews for the cooler, found a few people saying under load the 2600x stays at 51°C (almost the same as mine in the old build)

Found a review of temperatures with 3600 OC (4.2GHz), it runs at 71°C, this makes me think the 69°C on my 3600x are good and the difference between 2000 and 3000 are big @vast meadow
18-20°C differences

@grizzled bloom what do you think about 3600 + 1060/6gb?
Is it better going for 2600/x + 1060/6gb?

Considering hight temperatures too inside the itx case

[grizzled bloom]

There's a rather large jump in performance going from Zen+ to Zen 2

That said, My 1060 was pretty happy with my 2700

The memory controller on Zen 2 is a lot better also, and PBO is usable instead of needing to do manual OC

[vast meadow]

It shouldn't be that large of a jump and even if it was 3600 is a good bit better, sounds like a bad mount/bad paste pattern causing that

Also when you say 4.2ghz where they manually ocing?

Or is that the normal boost i honestly can't remember

[scenic solar]

Thats the max boost for 3600 but I don't know how it was overclocked, they didn't specify much in the review

I think 70C is fine because all reviews with that cooler report about the same temperatures going from 70 to almost 74 on 3600/X/XT

I've always benchmarked with cinebench, now I'll try prime 95

Let's see how the temperatures look like

Mmmh

@vast meadow do you know if prime 95 also shows the temperatures or do I have to open hwinfo?

[vast meadow]

Hwinfo

[scenic solar]

Ok, this is bad I think

[vast meadow]

Btw small fft is what you want to use for worst case scenario

But it's basically just artificial

[scenic solar]

@grizzled bloom @vast meadow bad? Which temperature do I have to look at?

[vast meadow]

I'd drop down the core temps then just see whichever is hottest

Although the overall core temp is good enough

[scenic solar]

So should that be good? 🤨
I also saw a video Arctic freezer 34 eSports duo+ 3600x, max temp in prime95 was 74

Maybe it is not that bad

My fans are LL120 Corsair

Case x465 corsair

Maybe there is bad airflow even if the case is enormous

And MB is MSI b550 gaming plus
Maybe VRM gets high temps

@vast meadow each core temperature

CPU touched 78C

[vast meadow]

That's fine

[scenic solar]

With arctic freezer 34 eSports duo

How can that be fine?

I just looked at a video of my Corsair case, looks like to be a mid-high range case

Mostly mid range

Not for noise, the fans are noisy af

[vast meadow]

Oh the duo?

[scenic solar]

What do you mean?
If the fans on the cooler are noisy?
Not too much, 90% speed are pretty silent, 100% speed try get noisy

But the preinstalled LL120 on the case are really noisy at max speed

[vast meadow]

I thought you meant the esports 34 non duo like one of the single tower coolers

[scenic solar]

eSports (1fan)
eSports duo (2fans)
Difference 2-3°C on 3600

I remember this from a video I watched before buying it

[scenic solar]

This is after 15minutes @vast meadow

Also I'll never get these temps on a normal full load, for example when loading Minecraft the CPU gets to 100% usage but only 69C
(And its just a few seconds, not 15 minutes)

.
In idle with like 10% CPU fan speed I get 35C which I really like because it's also really silent

Still not sure if 78C is a lot or is it normal

Guess what... 65w? No, 102w at full load

And its stock, no OC

[cerulean wadi]

Playing some games today and mine was : (wait that's not the 11gen btw, 🤣 --2 computers is great

[scenic solar]

10.9w? 🤨

What's going on @vast meadow... HWinfo says CPU running at 4.4GHz (that should be the OC speed) but I never overclocked

Is there any sort of boost?
Like with many Ryzen CPUs
(Example 3.8GHz → actual 4.0GHz)

My 3600x got to 1.47v under load

[vast meadow]

78c is normal enough but not for a 34 esports duo that's pretty odd

It can run 4.4ghz if they have pbo on

[scenic solar]

I've never touched anything, always been stock but under load it runs at 4.2/.3 GHz (rarely 4.4) even if it should be running at 3.8 base

[scenic solar]

Yeah, but it's 78C the hottest core, just a few seconds...
The rest is ~75

Apparently the "CPU temperature" shows the hottest core, which is core 5 (6)

Not an average temp of all cores...

https://youtu.be/By925crnqEc

@vast meadow minute 7:35

Sorry if I've tagged you many times

[scenic solar]

3600 @ max. 78C under load

Maybe the temperature is not that bad for the 34 eSports duo

[cerulean wadi]

Yea not unexpected temp for that normal single tower.

[scenic solar]

It's a pretty small boi

Of course I can't do much about the temperature, I can only change it but I don't need to it also matches my build so I don't want to

Yeah, what I would expect 9526 is the "normal score" usually

Checked online

[cerulean wadi]

Funny how decent the 7700k still seems. 2/3 of a 6core cpu and around 2/3 of your score.

[scenic solar]

Yeah it was one of the best selling CPUs back in time

[scenic solar]

In cinebench it stood under 71C
Acceptable

Let's see in the middle of the summer how it goes
Like last summer when I had 2600x + stock cooler and I was worried about 73C so I changed it to the arctic freezer

[obtuse mountain]

@scenic solar I've been running a hyper 212 plus since I bought my fx6300 new. When I upgraded to am4 with the ryzen 3 3200g I used stock cooler till the new bracket kit came. Stock cooler idled at 65 and TT under load with kryonaught

With a hyper 212 plus and kryo my temps maxed at 65-70. If you are worried about thermals check them out. Very cheap cooler and performs crazy good. They do have small form factor coolers but I exclusively build in mid tower and full tower so I don't know personally how good they will work

Currently running the 212 on a ryzen 5 3600x @ 3440x1440 60-75 with no greater temps than 70 on battlefield

[hollow thorn]

Pbo though

[scenic solar]

That's not a really good cooler, it's also not worth downgrading from the 34 duo, also 70C with less than 100% usage (battlefield uses average 80% CPU) on 3600x isn't really good, with 80% usage I get maybe 60C not more

[hollow thorn]

P95 smallfft would tell you the hottest it gets but if it's on stock, it's just going to throttle

[scenic solar]

Max temp (as said before) on my 3600x with arctic 34 duo was 78.4C

[obtuse mountain]

I'm talking under 100% tho like pushing all it can

[scenic solar]

@hollow thorn do you know if motherboard VRM high temps affect CPU temp? Only few, a lot??

[scenic solar]

100% in game is different than 100% in prime95

[obtuse mountain]

Running game, playing music, streaming all at the same time. Pretty heavy workload

[scenic solar]

In my case temperature are these ones:
CPU 100% loading MC: 70C
CPU 100% running P95: 78C

[scenic solar]

Still won't be the same as p95

[obtuse mountain]

Ive only ever got p95 to get thermals up to 67 after letting it run for an hour

[hollow thorn]

high vrm temps will just make it throttle more

[scenic solar]

🤨 mmmh

[scenic solar]

I mean, will you get higher temps?

[hollow thorn]

smallfft? And you'll have to watch clocks, it's probably throttling under p95 smallfft

[hollow thorn]

When the VRM throttles, it'll give less power to the CPU, and therefore run cooler because, well, less power

[scenic solar]

Oh okkkK

[obtuse mountain]

Stayed at max boost and only hit 35% usage.

[hollow thorn]

yea uh that's not it

try p95 smallfft with avx with all 12 threads

[frigid willow]

if you are completely stock with no OC or anything why are you even worrying about p95?

[obtuse mountain]

I wasn't stock. I had the fx6300 OCd to 4.25 ram at 3400 and gtx 750ti OCd

[frigid willow]

yea its not really in reference to yours

[hollow thorn]

The point wasn't what was being ran, the point was whether or not 212 was good lel

[frigid willow]

right but he was talking about high temps running p95 on a completely stock chip. My point is I wouldn't even be running it for temps because it is pretty unrealistic.

[hollow thorn]

p95 is completely unnecessary for normal stock usage but the point was about the cooler so...

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frigid willow]

yes, I wouldn't be basing a mid air coolers capabilities off p95 and stock chip is all :p

also, it is a more expensive nice case but isn't greatest air flow

[hollow thorn]

the point was to say it's not great by throwing a hard load at it..?

[vast meadow]

That's fine, can't watch videos rn tho

[frosty depot]

Lowest temp I've seen my cpu idle lol

[grizzled bloom]

Must be pretty low ambient 🥶

[frosty depot]

yeah my room is 20c atm

[grizzled bloom]

But how is it getting sub ambient then?

[frosty depot]

idk lol

my thermostat says 68f

oh wait

I'm reading it wrong. I read the 3 as an 8. it's 63f in here atm

block numbers and bad eyesight don't mix

so 17c in my room

[vast meadow]

That's still sub ambient wtf

[rapid mortar]

Who knew a r7 5800x with a 1070 ti can out perform my r5 3600x with a 1080 ti 😅. Time for a new cpu I guess

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah you've got a core at 13C, that shouldn't be possible without something chilling it

[frosty depot]

my LFII 360?

[vast meadow]

Depends on what games, most games would be better with 1080 ti tho

[frosty depot]

I even have ff14 up on my main screen

[grizzled bloom]

You sure you don't have a cup of ice water sitting on the rad? Lol

[frosty depot]

lol I'm sure

[rapid mortar]

Borderlands 3 benchmark the 1070 ti got 130 and I got 94 on mine. Same settings and all

[vast meadow]

Could be ram difference/something

[rapid mortar]

For sure

For some reason I can't get past 3200mhz on my ram. Not to advanced with timings and stuff along with amds infinity stuff. Like it will boot the pc just show no display or anything at 3600mhz. Don't know if it can do that or not.

[grizzled bloom]

Ryzen is pretty sensitive to memory, too slow and you lose performance, too fast and it desyncs losing even more performance

[mild jackal]

What ic are the sticks

[frosty depot]

rad is front mounted. so idk how that'd work out. My only thought is that the cold air coupled with the airflow going through the rad at such a cold temp is making the metal on the rad really cool so in turns makes the coolant really cool?

[grizzled bloom]

That still shouldn't make it cooler than the air passing through it

Maybe the AC is on and blowing over it? Or a fan nearby blowing cooler air in than the rest of the house has?

[frosty depot]

idk.. my phone cooler cools my phone down to reallly cold with just ambient 30c going through it.

so in my 80f room my phone is really cold to the touch

[mild jackal]

Pretty sure that's just a sensor error

[frosty depot]

hm. I think you are right. there are 2 cpu package values and one is reading higher than the other

[mild jackal]

It just guesses the offset

[bleak wyvern]

my friends motherboard has pooped out on him and he cant find a good one what would be a good amd motherboard for less than 200

he keeps looking at b450s but from my understanding those arnt what he wants for gaming

[mild jackal]

They are and you can find a decent one for 70 eBay

[burnt spear]

What cpu?

[bleak wyvern]

He preferably wants a r7 5800x

[burnt spear]

Wait

He hasn't bought the cpu yet?

If not, 12700f and msi b660

And if he wants to oc, 12600k

On a z690

[bleak wyvern]

Less than 200?

[burnt spear]

what parts does he currently own

and what parts is he trying to buy

[bleak wyvern]

He needs new ram motherboard and processor

[burnt spear]

ok

whats the budget for all 3

total

[bleak wyvern]

He just left to eat all I know is 200 max on motherboard

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BdHm8r here

[bleak wyvern]

○_○

I sure he will be fine with that

Thank you

[burnt spear]

np

[vast meadow]

Make sure they're not using the stock cooler tho btw, do they have a cooler already?

[bleak wyvern]

No but I will make sure to tell him not to use stock

[vast meadow]

I'd recommend deepcool ak620 or arctic liquid freezer ii 280mm or 360mm if they want an aio in particular

[burnt spear]

forgot that part lol

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-12307212

[burnt spear]

lmao

[hoary echo]

unhhhhhh

making a fractal in google slides is pain

there is like 40k+ shapes in the one slide

[grizzled bloom]

Fractals in general are painful on the pc

[hoary echo]

Yeah lol

Managed to hit 9gb ram lol

Computer was dying

[reef schooner]

Will Kingston RMA accept my request if my defective product doesn't have its original packaging?

[vast meadow]

They should as long as it's still under warranty

[reef schooner]

thanks

[vast meadow]

Np

[frosty depot]

looking at this used 12900k for $450 is gonna make me go broke if I don't stop and think lol

[vast meadow]

Shtopp it's not a massive amount better than 12600k for your use case + just think about 13th gen

[frosty depot]

Oh, what would I do without you?
😛

thank you for bringing me back to reality.

in all actuality it would only cost me $200

since I'd just give the 12600k to my ex for the cost I got it.,

[vast meadow]

Lol

[frosty depot]

buttttt

13th gen

😛

then I can just use the 12600k to build me some cheapish pc and maybe sell it

[cursive epoch]

sounds like a way to go broke

oh wait, yeah 13th gen

nvm then, that's not a bad idea

[frosty depot]

so.. when my room is warm.. it seems my cpu sensors are working normal.. but when my room is cold like it is now, my cpu sesnors are reading below ambient..

this is 2nd day in a row now

idk if I should be concerned about it or not

is the only reason I'm bringint it up

[scenic solar]

@vast meadow remember the 3 link (eBay) for R5 3600 you sent me, I kept checking the price, one of them is gone, (sold for 133+7€)
The other two are 89+10€ & 81+50€, still respectively 4 and 6 days left, probably the price is going to rise, I should try going on an Italian site for used things, finding one for 120€ (one of the lowest prices) and get that (not auctions).
Or I'll go for the 2600x which is also cooler

[latent osprey]

do u guys think the aorus b660m pro ax is a good mobo to pair with a 12400

on sale for 460cad bundle rn

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Bmsjj2 no

also are you making a whole new build?

if so, whats your total budget?

[latent osprey]

nah upgrading

[burnt spear]

ah kk

[latent osprey]

i have a 1080ti rn

[burnt spear]

oh nice card

[latent osprey]

so im basically building off that

[burnt spear]

will work great with the 12400

what other parts do you need?

[latent osprey]

ye gonna sell a the cpu n mobo i have rn to upgrade

psu, case (was gonna go 4000d) and cooler

[burnt spear]

kk

[latent osprey]

pre sure thats it

[burnt spear]

one sec

[latent osprey]

for mobo i was highly recommended a b660m mortar

msi

[burnt spear]

the mobo i linked is enough for even a 12700f

[latent osprey]

jesus

ok then

not rly gg for aesthetics so wtv work

[burnt spear]

kk cool

just looking for a heatsink now

[latent osprey]

bet

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/zn4bLs this looks decent, let me double check on the psu though

[latent osprey]

sure

[burnt spear]

@hollow thorn sorry for the ping, antec names confuse me. That psu is the A tier one on the list, right?

[burnt spear]

also, what ram do you currently have?

[latent osprey]

ohh right

ram

my bad g

[burnt spear]

dw about it

[latent osprey]

its some old lpx

[hollow thorn]

ye

[latent osprey]

red too

[burnt spear]

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B016BWEQYG?tag=pcp0f-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 this has to be a miss listing, right?

[hollow thorn]

weird seller but it is 2400c16

[burnt spear]

mm

[hollow thorn]

could try if you want

[burnt spear]

not worth on a 12400 either way

just curious

[latent osprey]

50$ for 32g is crazy 💀

[burnt spear]

alright here you go https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/k3GCd9

ima keep searching on case as well though

my go tos all sold out/overpriced

[latent osprey]

thatd put the entire build at around 1100$

nice

[burnt spear]

dont see anything better

case isnt bad either way

and you dont need storage?

[latent osprey]

nah i have an a tier ssd laying around

m.2

and a 500g sata stole from my brother so im set

[burnt spear]

call the cops, theyre a thief

[latent osprey]

his build was 2500

and then im stuck with a toaster 😂

[cerulean wadi]

"Borrowed"

[finite shuttle]

is amd better or intel for cpu atm for its price/performance?

[burnt spear]

currently 12th gen is

[wind karma]

Do I snag a Ryzen 5825U laptop (16gb, 1080p120hz) for $630 now or wait for Ryzen 6000 stuff to release and see what happens?

I don't need it urgently so im leaning towards waiting

[vast meadow]

Ryzen 6000 laptops are out, thing is i haven't seen a non gaming laptop one

[wind karma]

Yeah I already have a desktop so looking for a non gaming laptop

Sounds like some laptops are releasing soon with the 6800U

[vast meadow]

Would be nice, they have amazing battery life

[vernal cosmos]

u have amazing battery life 😳

[burnt spear]

Is pato an android confirmed?

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-court-objection-hearsay-gif-25461916

[burnt spear]

Objection, overtheresay

[cyan raft]

You asked the question

[vernal cosmos]

no hes a remote controlled attack duck

https://c.tenor.com/t2m9AEa0_8sAAAAC/questionable-duck-duck-with-a-gun.gif

^ @vast meadow irl

[burnt spear]

:0

[vast meadow]

True dat

[errant grail]

11900k worth it(400cad)

[vernal cosmos]

no

11900k bad

[vast meadow]

Get a 12600k /12700(f)(kf)(k) for same/ less and better

[errant grail]

with 12th gen rn in my store the motherboard still too expensive

[cursive epoch]

6000U stuff is limited to expensive stuff, so..

You have no choice lol

It's AMD's market segmentation

Cheaper, budget options gets zen 2 refresh with non rdna

[cerulean wadi]

You of all people (if name correct) should know that an 11900 is basically an OC'd 11700, & that doesn't mean much. Would get more of an upgrade from 12gen even if you had to buy a new mobo for it, but then you'd sell off 11gen setup to offset cost anyways.

[vast meadow]

Looks like am5 is set to release in September
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20220504PD214/5nm-ic-manufacturing-amd-tsmc.html

[proper forge]

Interesting. I wonder if that'll make the prices of used 3000 series Ryzen CPUs finally drop a bunch

[vast meadow]

You'd wanna hope 5000 series goes down more imo, pretty big jump

[proper forge]

True but my msi x370 pro carbon doesn't support 5000 series last i knew. So I'm trying to save for a ryzen 9 3900x if my board supports it though a bios update or a 3950x if i get really lucky

[vast meadow]

Why not a 3700x? Also it should have a beta bios with 5000 support although idk if i would

[proper forge]

I have a 2700 but want more cores

[burnt spear]

More cores does not equal more performance

[cursive epoch]

im sure the mobo supports 5000 now

[burnt spear]

3600 beats a 3995wx in gaming

[proper forge]

True but i do a lot of VM work

[burnt spear]

Ah

12700 is a good choice then, if your mobo won't play well with a 5900x

[proper forge]

Last bios i saw last week was in November for windows 11 support

[cursive epoch]

hm

might have to check again

[proper forge]

2021-11-04 added windows 11 support

Just checked

[cursive epoch]

that's rip then

[proper forge]

Meh. Could be worse

[ruby basin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bVL89r can someone tell me whats wrong? what are those potential issues?

[grizzled bloom]

You can ignore the bios warning and the cooler note just means if the cooler doesn't come with the bracket for 12th gen Intel, you'll need to contact them to get it.

The bigger issue that it's not telling you about is the hyper 212 is not nearly a good enough cooler for the 12700k. It's barely enough for a 12400.

[ruby basin]

oh damn, then what cooler do ya suggest?

[grizzled bloom]

Arctic liquid freezer II 280mm if you're going to overclock at all, 240mm will do if you're not

[burnt spear]

Ak620 enough if not ocing, and if not ocing I'd get 12700f

@ruby basin

[cosmic matrix]

hey, I am wondering if anyone has had stability issues with the 5900x?

[grizzled bloom]

What kind of issues exactly?

[cosmic matrix]

games crash randomly

It is honestly pretty weird, they just close suddenly. Not just one game, all my games, but no other programs

[grizzled bloom]

What are your temps when gaming?
What GPU and power supply do you have?

[ruby basin]

how bout https://www.newegg.com/corsair-liquid-cooling-system/p/2KY-001T-00027 ?

[grizzled bloom]

That'll be fine for gaming probably

[rocky bridge]

I'm having trouble getting my ram speed to 3200, just got 2 more sticks of the same ram, but after I put it in it does this weird thing where it powers off 3 times before booting. Any ideas of how to fix?

[ruby basin]

alright thx mate 👍

[grizzled bloom]

Does it boot if you don't turn on xmp?

[rocky bridge]

yes

[grizzled bloom]

Download thaiphoon burner and screenshot the spd data

[rocky bridge]

I'm trying to update bios currently

[grizzled bloom]

You probably got different dies that aren't compatible, even though it might be the same model kit

[grizzled bloom]

Yep, one is hynix and the other is Samsung. They won't play nice together.

[rocky bridge]

so what should i do?

[grizzled bloom]

Return the kit you bought, and either buy another kit with the same die as you had originally (can be hard to give but g.skill tells you on the stickers) or sell your original kit and buy a set of 2x16gb or 4x8gb.
Technically only memory that's packaged together is guaranteed to work together.

[rocky bridge]

ok, thanks for the help

[rocky bridge]

Is there a place where I can buy hynix or Samsung or am I stuck with luck of the draw?

[grizzled bloom]

What you want is sticks with the same last 5 digits on the 042/043 code as the ones you have

[rocky bridge]

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

Looking on eBay a lot of the time people put pics of the stickers

[rocky bridge]

Ok thanks

[cosmic matrix]

sorry about that. My psu is a 650w 80+bronze and the GPU is a 1070. The temps are in the 60-70s so totally fine.

No overclocking on any components, I tried but it was even more unstable and got me in a bootloop until I reset it in bios.

[grizzled bloom]

Which PSU exactly? Model number matters.

[cosmic matrix]

ok, one sec

S12III-650

[cursive epoch]

oof, that one

i remember that thing having absolutely no protections

[cosmic matrix]

How so?

[grizzled bloom]

If you try to push too much power through it, it doesn't shut off. It just explodes.

[cosmic matrix]

ah, not great

[cursive epoch]

ye

but this issue seems like software one tbh

not the psu

[cosmic matrix]

yeah, I shouldn't be pulling more than like 500w

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, was thinking DDU next

[cosmic matrix]

tbh not sure what ddu is

[grizzled bloom]

https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[cosmic matrix]

oh, it is a GPU problem? It showed up once I upgraded the cpu to the 5900x

[cursive epoch]

well, it doesn't hurt to try this first

[cosmic matrix]

fair enough

[grizzled bloom]

This is the easiest thing to test for at this point in time

[cosmic matrix]

cool, thanks

[ruby basin]

MSI PRO B660M-A WIFI DDR5 LGA 1700 says that I need LGA1700 mounting bracket, whats that?

[cursive epoch]

What cooler are you using?

[ruby basin]

Corsair Hydro Series H100x

[cursive epoch]

Yeah, you have to ask corsair for lga 1700 bracket

Or buy one idk

[burnt spear]

have you already bought it?

if not, please dont

corsair makes meh aios at best

[cursive epoch]

It sounds like they already have it for a while

100x is old

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HZvdnQ/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-280-a-rgb-689-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00106a

sad

[devout moth]

Путин#1584 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[ruby basin]

ok bot

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-000P-000R1?Description=ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280&cm_re=ARCTIC_Liquid Freezer II 280-_-13C-000P-000R1-_-Product&quicklink=true is this the same as ...

this ?https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-000P-000R0?Description=ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280&cm_re=ARCTIC_Liquid Freezer II 280-_-13C-000P-000R0-_-Product&quicklink=true

[cursive epoch]

No

RGB is single color only

ARGB allows you to config the lights freely

Like have multiple colors at once

But they're the same coolers

[ruby basin]

yea nobody cares, thanks

[ruby basin]

so i dont need the bracket thingie with this right?

[cursive epoch]

yes

it comes with the bracket

[ruby basin]

are there any other options than this?

[burnt spear]

.

[ruby basin]

yea other than this one

[burnt spear]

what cpu do you have?

and what case?

[ruby basin]

i7 12700f
mid tower nzxt 510 or smth

[burnt spear]

ak620 would be enough

wait

have you alreayd bought the h510?

if not please dont

terrible case

and if you have, try to return it

[ruby basin]

im not sure if its 510 it was 5-6 years ago bruh

[burnt spear]

:p

[ruby basin]

wait ill check if its important

[burnt spear]

the h510 is a heater of a case, it has like two spots for fans and no mesh on the front

if you do have it, i would highly recommend replacing it

[dull flint]

[ruby basin]

damn its h440 💀💀💀

[burnt spear]

Yeah, time for a new case

I have to go fn, if someone else doesn't help you by the time im back I'll see what I can do

[ruby basin]

problem is 💸💸💸

[ruby basin]

yea np man thanks

[vast meadow]

Dremel time

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-evil-laugh-fire-flames-burning-gif-24546963

[ruby basin]

can the iCUE H100i Pro 240mm do the job with an i7 12700f? 🥺🥺

[burnt spear]

I would get a liquid freezer ii, or an ak620

[burnt spear]

Problem is the case is a furnace, and doesn't have room for an aio

Case change and an ak620 not much more than a decent aio

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x7wb8r

[ruby basin]

hmm, ill consider that. thank you 🙏

just to make sure, i dont need a 1700 bracket for both of the ak620 and the h100i yeah?

[vast meadow]

Ak620 def comes with one

Check the listing for h100i although at this point it should

[ruby basin]

checked but i got confused

dunno why it cant be clear or maybe im blind

[vast meadow]

It will say compatible with lga 1200/1700/am4 etc

[ruby basin]

"Compatible with the new Intel LGA1700 with purchase of CW-8960091 spare part"

[vast meadow]

That means it could come with lga1700 bracket but probably doesn't

You can buy the bracket tho

[ruby basin]

i see, great

[burnt spear]

outta curiosity, do you guys think theyll up the core count with the 13100 and 13400?

i imagine so

[grizzled bloom]

Doubt it personally

[cerulean wadi]

Pcore same but added ecores on certain cpus I've heard.

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe if they do like a 13200 they'll do e-cores. I've also heard that most 13th gen chips will have e-cores.

[cerulean wadi]

Yea & there's a couple w/ only Ecores.

[vast meadow]

Hoping for at least 4+2e on 13100 and 6+4e on 13400

[burnt spear]

if 13400 is, im getting one and a b660

[vast meadow]

Same

B760 most likely actually

[burnt spear]

i highkey want to change my case as well

ive got a coolermaster n400

its decent enough but the hdd bay gets in the way

[grizzled bloom]

If they're keeping the same layout as 12th gen for e-cores then it'll be multiples of 4, since 4 fit in the same space as a regular core.

[burnt spear]

kinda also want to replace my psu with something thatll handle 40 series, but maybe ill hold off on case and psu

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe they could do 3p+4e

[burnt spear]

for an i3 thatd make sense

[vast meadow]

Yeah but for 13100 they wouldn't need 4 to work, in theory they could do 1 e core

[grizzled bloom]

10 threads on an i3 would be crazy of course

[burnt spear]

ill prolly wait on a sale for a 1000w psu like the rmx or g6/g2

[vast meadow]

But afaik intel makes 1 design of each gen, maybe 2 and then the rest are downbins so it's not like they couldn't do a +2 or +6 core layout

[cerulean wadi]

They won't. Odd number of cores

[grizzled bloom]

But all they'd be doing is removing one of the normal cores off the 12100 and replacing it with e-cores, Intel themselves talked about making it more modular like that

[cerulean wadi]

Oh that's neat*. Worse than 4p cores but definitely way better than just 2. Seems like 13gen might not have any Pcore-only cpus. That'll be an extra push to put people on Win11.

[grizzled bloom]

I'll bet the pentium and Celeron will still be p-cores

[burnt spear]

8 e core cpu when

[grizzled bloom]

What a joke that new Celeron is too. Dual core CPU in 2022 🤡

[cerulean wadi]

The G7400 pentium or w/e is dang good though for being 2 cores. Celerons always were pitiful

[grizzled bloom]

The Celeron G6900 is a dual core with no hyper threading though, it struggles to run word and a browser at the same time lol

[cerulean wadi]

Those 2 threads are the sad big problem.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, that and it costs half as much as the 12100 for less than 1/4 the performance

[rigid sluice]

aight fellas im having some kinda severe hardware issues
I need some urgant assistance
Im having software issues that i mentally associate with bad memory
memory tests come back totally fine

i need some assistance here

im gonna loose my midn

[grizzled bloom]

What kind of software issues?

[rigid sluice]

freeze and loop the last 2 seconds of audio if audio was playing at the time indefinitly till power is lost
Ie if a video last said "Taco" just que me having to listen to "taco taco taco taco taco taco..."

i have seen systems with memory errors do this

but once again

No errors period

so i am completely lost on what this issue is

[cursive epoch]

hm