cpus-mobo-and-memory

[hollow thorn]

Could've sworn the 2x16 kit was on sale for that much

[vast meadow]

nahh that would be cheaper than 3600cl16

[hollow thorn]

Brb

[hollow thorn]

Yea that link a while ago was showing as 2x16

[vast meadow]

yeah bug on pcpp

[hollow thorn]

Mmm

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/mr/amazon/FHpmP6

cheapest 3200 kit that will do 3600

[hollow thorn]

Actual 2x16 b die, I think
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374166

[vast meadow]

not with those timings :/

[mild jackal]

LOL, that's DJR or something

Just get the 3200c14 2x16 oloy kit just over 200

[hollow thorn]

Yea no

I should try to spend more time looking at things instead of just trusting pcpp when I'm on mobile

[spiral fulcrum]

I also thought of that but are there any more which I dont know about

[mild jackal]

I should make a "current b-die sales" pin for 2x8, 2x16

[vast meadow]

what do you mean?

[mild jackal]

There was an insane deal on $95 4000c16 sticks not long ago

But they're only $100 now

[vast meadow]

still good deal

[mild jackal]

Also if anyone else wants to make the post and keep it updated lmk, am lazy

[vast meadow]

i can make

whats the go to 2x16 kit now?

[mild jackal]

These are decent https://www.newegg.com/oloy-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821441?quicklink=true

[spiral fulcrum]

oloy?

[mild jackal]

I like how 3dmark is only $5 extra with all kinds of newegg items

[spiral fulcrum]

I've heard of that once but not sure about it

[mild jackal]

Yeah - oloy is the OEM for galax/hof stuff, they have one of the best PCBs

[vast meadow]

[mild jackal]

I can ask around more about that particular kit if you're seriously considering it

[vast meadow]

theres a team kit for 30$ less, same bin

[mild jackal]

But you'd run something like this on 2x16

(for your 3800x)

I would look into upgrading to the 5800x3d in a month or so

[mild jackal]

link

[vast meadow]

https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331801?quicklink=true

[spiral fulcrum]

I'm planning on upgrading to a ddr5 platform when I upgrade my cpu is fine rn

[mild jackal]

yeah those are great too - I don't think they're binned as high as the oloys or have the same high end pcb, but if you're on a budget, really can't go wrong with those teams

Alder lake + ddr5 is in a good spot right now, you can get a really strong 2x16 kit for $350

[spiral fulcrum]

I'm ok with the price but I dont know about giving that much to a ddr4 ram

[mild jackal]

If you're not planning on going 5800x3d - I wouldn't upgrade your ram tbh

[spiral fulcrum]

I need 32 gbs for my projects

I have 16

[mild jackal]

Either go alder lake/ddr5 now, or b-die not then 5800x3d soon

[vast meadow]

or save money and go 3200 ballistix for like 120 if on a budget

[mild jackal]

Yeah, that $98 2x16 kit was killer

[vast meadow]

its 120 now but still ntb for cheap oc kit

[mild jackal]

As long as the user is fine with a bit of manual oc

Just run something like 3800 16 18 18 38 1.45v

maybe lower vtt a bit

[mild jackal]

Nice, add some prices though

[vast meadow]

i was just doing that yeah lol

[mild jackal]

I'd also split it into a budget and high end, put "deal hotness" ratings as well

Like that 2x8 is maybe a 7/10

[vast meadow]

ahh okay sure lemme figure out how to format this

[mild jackal]

I'm sure will fill it out more as time goes on

[vast meadow]

you think 8.5 or 9/10 ? the team?

[mild jackal]

9/10 for budget b-die, sure

nbd really - as long as people get the idea

[vast meadow]

nbd?

[mild jackal]

I would format it like
B-die deals

$105, 2x8 GB, 7/10 deal
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16820821427

Micron deals

[vast meadow]

okay

because i was thinking if there were like 2x8gb heading and 2x16gb heading so it would be like

2x8gb
deal x
deal y

2x16gb
deal x
deal y

[mild jackal]

True

If you trim the links it could make your style of formatting look nice

[vast meadow]

done, what ya think of the micron ones?

[mild jackal]

eh, I find it hard to recommend $88 kits of micron for 2x8 here

Overclockers who want it for their niche already know how to shop - so sub $100 b-die 2x8 kits will be the choice for most.

But ~$120 ish micron 2x16 kits are something we should help users find

[vast meadow]

yeah fair

what you think of the 3000mhz c15 bin of rev e?

[mild jackal]

Good - but I also kinda feel like spending $60 more for b-die on what might be a $2k build is the play

Rev.e can certainly be a deal - but not too often ime

It could also be single rank rev.b - better tbh

[vast meadow]

Yeah , would be nice for a budget ish build that they wanna oc the ram on tho

Imma link it but say not great deal wise

Also ehh 7/10 for 2x16 3200 ballistix?

[mild jackal]

One day when I get the motivation - maybe I'll do some stock vs tuned b-die vs rev.e

[vast meadow]

I will help with rev e if needed, granted you'd kinda need an 11400 or 3600 - although I'm hoping to go 13600k

I'm sure you'd have one of those

[mild jackal]

Might as well turn this into a "ram recommendation pin" here's my high end ddr5 pick https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09N5M5PH3

There's a bug on that page - you get the 6000 if you select 5600, and the 5600 if you select 6000

[vast meadow]

ohh fun, what would you say it is deal wise, havent really kept up with d5 pricing

[mild jackal]

hard to say - it's a very high tier kit though, will do 6800+ 30 40 40

The 5600 bin would only do 6200/6400 on the two sticks I got

7/10 I guess.

[vast meadow]

okay cool, ive cleaned it up a bit as well, cutting out www. keeps on one line in pins which is nicer

[mild jackal]

nice, also add 2x16 to the ddr5 link

[vast meadow]

oh yah

[mild jackal]

Debating if we should replace the teams with https://www.newegg.com/oloy-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821441 or just add these in as a mid-range b-die pick

But yeah, those kingstons are better than even this $579 gskill kit lol https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374358?quicklink=true

[vast meadow]

purely for the PCB and maybe better binning ? can always add both

[mild jackal]

Yeah

[vast meadow]

hmm it does come with free 3d mark at least

what rating would you say?

[mild jackal]

nah, have to buy some dumb warranty for that - but 3dmark is $5 bundled with any of those

7/10

I mean, it's about normal market price - but having it in a deals post helps people who don't know how to shop for ram

[cerulean wadi]

Yeah also once in a while 3dmark is on sale from steam for $5 or $6.

[errant grail]

any reason why my ram rgb just turned dim? when others arent? is it just cause of the heat?( its fix now)

[dense frost]

what RAM?

[errant grail]

trident neo

just turned dim out of nowhere

but it’s all good now

since i just swap both

[vast meadow]

Probably just rgb being finicky -the usual

If it happens again maybe contact g skill for replacements(or partial refund which would be better imo)

[errant grail]

i thought pc would be just heating up a lil bit high since ive been playing demanding games recently

i dont have the box for it

not sure if they would even accept

[vast meadow]

Led's are super power efficient and will only pull like 5w max between the 2 sticks I'd say

[errant grail]

i got a 4x8 ram

just saying like maybe the whole pc are overheating

so maybe that’s the cause

[vast meadow]

Nah

[dense frost]

RGB is finicky, facts of life

[frosty depot]

What should I go with for LED lighting in my case? Don't really need any rgb fans.

I feel like that'd be cheaper anyways yeah?

[dense frost]

a number of manufacturers have LED strips for mounting isinde cases

Corsair even has little rgb plates, like nonleafs for insde cases

my advice though is: before buying anything do a little conceptualising

I baught corsair LLs, and now realise that theyre completely wrong for my build

[frosty depot]

Yeah tbh I haven't decided on p400a or 4000d yet. That front usb-c on the 4000d is definitely a thought provoker for me.

[dense frost]

I prefer the look of the phanteks case, but if front USB C is a functional requirement, it beats aesthetics

[vernal cosmos]

coolermaster prismatic fans

[frosty depot]

I'm honestly just thinking about when I use my VR headset. Which may be never once I have the pc lol

[vernal cosmos]

join me

[frosty depot]

Got a pic?

[frosty depot]

Oh no way. Not $100 for a 3 pack.

Nope. Not on board with that train.

[vernal cosmos]

Very nice fans

[frosty depot]

What's it looks like all green?

[dense frost]

hey now, what you doing there champ?

[vernal cosmos]

30 individual addressible rgb leds

[vernal cosmos]

Recruiting to cool fan gang

[dense frost]

this is a good reaction

[vernal cosmos]

lemme take pic

[dense frost]

you know what, this answer was so freakin good. I cant even be angry. carry on 🤣

[frosty depot]

I am most likely going to go with the phanteks.

[vernal cosmos]

green

but fr

[frosty depot]

Oo pretty

[vernal cosmos]

dont get these fans

[frosty depot]

Not gonna

[vernal cosmos]

they arent worth it

I was being sarcastic

[frosty depot]

I know lol

[vernal cosmos]

I only have em because I got em dummy cheap

[dense frost]

good choice. consumers are actually spoiled for cases in that category. 4000d, P400A, td500 mesh, lancool ii mesh, cl500, meshify c

[vernal cosmos]

got 3 for like 40$ converted

amazon shipped the wrong fans

[frosty depot]

Nice

[vernal cosmos]

i had ordered cheaper ones

[frosty depot]

I'm not even sure I need an airflow case? I'll be using a 6900xt and 12700k with arctic freezer 360

[vernal cosmos]

and like the good boi i is i conveniently forgor to tell em before return window expired

[dense frost]

everyone needs an airflow case

its just fact

[frosty depot]

They wouldn't have made you send them back

[vernal cosmos]

oh?

[frosty depot]

They would have just told you. Oops, our bad, keep them

They most likely would have even resent your order with the right fans.

[burnt spear]

And what are they going to do if you don't ship them back lol

[frosty depot]

Well.

If you initiate a resend, they may have you send them back.

If they do you have a window to return them or they charge you for the 2nd set they send you.

Had that happen with my scale for making juice.

[vernal cosmos]

ive had different experiences

[frosty depot]

Got a dud. They sent me a new one and gave me a return shipping label. I forgot to ship it back so they charged me for the 2nd one too.

[vernal cosmos]

I told em they sent the wrong thing

they picked it up and gave me right thing

[frosty depot]

Picked it up?

[vernal cosmos]

might work differently in india vs us

[frosty depot]

Oh gotcha

Yeah may very well be different.

[dense frost]

it would, different consumer protection laws

[vast meadow]

Arctic p12 rgbs, rgm ram(anyone but corsair)

[vast meadow]

Sounds like promoting a cult to me

[vernal cosmos]

Would you like to join?

[vast meadow]

The lancool 215 is a nice price now too

[frosty depot]

I was thinking of strips tbh.

[vast meadow]

Nah probs would have said oop you can keep those ones or send back and we will send you right ones

[vast meadow]

Lol

Funny man

[vast meadow]

Strips are definitely not as easy or clean tbh

[vernal cosmos]

i wouldnt mind some chimken strips

me hungy

[vernal cosmos]

he will make them take a shower daily

so they clean

dw

[dense frost]

please explain?

[frosty depot]

How is that one compared to the p400a and 4000d in terms of temps?

[dense frost]

215 is basically top of the list because it comes with 2 200mm fans

also, they are ARGB 200mm fans

[vast meadow]

Not as many rgb strips also afaik not really any that are pc controlled, just rgb strips have always seemed too much of an effort for me

[vast meadow]

Can it mount 360 rads tho?

[frosty depot]

https://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-LANCOOL-MESH-RGB-X/dp/B09MLYYT7S/ref=asc_df_B09MLYYT7S/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=563602091749&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14809137180775445673&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029519&hvtargid=pla-1569921809699&psc=1&th=1

This listing shows 3 120mm fans

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah strips are a nice addon to argb fans but icky alone

[dense frost]

thats a lancool ii mesh

[frosty depot]

Oh

[dense frost]

lancool 215 is a spinoff

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-215/

[vast meadow]

Different case

[dense frost]

I have the one you linked and love the heck out of it

[vast meadow]

So you can use 200mm fans +360 rad?

[dense frost]

yes

[vast meadow]

That's cool

[dense frost]

hah! I see what you did there

[vast meadow]

Lol didn't even mean too

[dense frost]

215 also has rgb logo

for that extra RGBness

[vast meadow]

You had me at rgb

[frosty depot]

Ok so how thick is the Arctic freezer ii 360?

That case says 70mm max

[vast meadow]

69.9mm with fans

Nice

[frosty depot]

So a tight fit then

[vast meadow]

If it fits it fits

[frosty depot]

Yeah

Man makes me wanna go for that case. Specially with the whole 2 200mm fans in front of the rad

[vast meadow]

Push pull doesn't do much but still nice

[dense frost]

if youre going with a 360aio, I might consider the CM td500mesh, because you can mount the rad in the roof

[vast meadow]

Ehhh

Pricing is bleh

And little cable management room

[dense frost]

I didnt not know, thanks. yeah, 215 ftw then

[frosty depot]

Jeeze, the rgb version is like $100 more than non rgb

[vast meadow]

Yeah it's also the same price as the corsair 5000d(non airflow) + buy a airflow panel for like 10$ or run no panel

[vast meadow]

Huh?

[frosty depot]

Og the lancool 215

[vast meadow]

Only 215's

[frosty depot]

Oh

My bad. I was still looking at the first one I linked haha

[dense frost]

also, dont forget the accessories that Lian Li offers for the Lancool series

like, RGB strip

[frosty depot]

Haha I see.

Uhm. Well ill forgo the rgb strips for now.

I'm gonna have to grab 2 or 3 fans for the case for exhaust.

At least 2 for exhaust i would believe. And maybe 1 intake for the bottom airflow.

[dense frost]

I would get 140s for the top exhaust

[frosty depot]

So. A 120 for the rear. 2 140 for the top?

[dense frost]

yeah

[frosty depot]

Should I worry about bottom?

[dense frost]

nah

[frosty depot]

Will that be to much exhaust though?

[dense frost]

I maxed out the fans on my lancool ii, and honestly the 2 bottom fans are only for aesthetics

[dense frost]

with 2 200mm intakes? I dont think so

[cursive epoch]

there's never too much exhaust

[frosty depot]

Ok.

[cursive epoch]

unless the case is badly designed

[frosty depot]

I guess the question i have now is, will the gpu fit with the rad in there.

[cursive epoch]

like one where hot air gets stuck in the case lmao despite there being lots of fans in the case

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-summoning-bad-cat-hitting-broom-gif-10352523

[cursive epoch]

cause it's badly designed

[vast meadow]

Not vert mount reeee

[dense frost]

looking at the pic above, seems theres plenty of space for a tripple fan gpu and rad

[vast meadow]

Arctic p12 rgb, cheap and will match aio

[frosty depot]

I feel like vert mount is bad because it being so close to the case so it couldn't get good airflow

[vast meadow]

Or p14

[dense frost]

not on the lancool

the lancool vertical gpu is well designed and leaves plenty of space

Pato knows this

he is just being a funny duddy

[vast meadow]

It does leave more room than usual yes but it uses all your pcie brackets

[frosty depot]

Oh

[vast meadow]

In this case*

But i have a grudge against vert mount in general

[frosty depot]

Idk that I need any other pcie brackets atm

Cant really think of anything I'd need. I'm sure mb audio will be good enough. It already has wifi as well.

[vast meadow]

Yeah just a factor to consider

[frosty depot]

Those 2 bottom fans don't help keep your gpu cooler?

Also, side mount actually looks pretty cool in that.

[dense frost]

maybe 1/2 degrees

I fitted a top mount 280 aio since that pic, so even less

[frosty depot]

Hm.

Yeah I'm getting the lancool 215.

Seems more solid than the p400a and 4000d

[frosty depot]

These ones?

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-P14-Value-Pack-Pressure-optimised/dp/B07HC9ZWDN/ref=asc_df_B07HC9ZWDN/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=459410835726&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=18065436768775922419&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029519&hvtargid=pla-781013894054&psc=1&th=1

I'm not getting the rgb aio

Just the regular one

[vast meadow]

Twinsies on the gpu, be careful gigglebyte uses pritt stick for the capacitors instead of solder

[dense frost]

HAHAHAH

yeah

[vast meadow]

Ahh i thought you wanted rgb lol

[vernal cosmos]

[vast meadow]

That's the ones, idk of you could fit a 140 back exhaust, also you'd only be able to use 3/5 or 2/5 if only 120mm back exhaust (most common)

[frosty depot]

Nah, no rgb fans unless they already come with the case. I was only looking into rgb strips.

[frosty depot]

Yeah only 120mm in back and 2 on bottom. I was just making sure they were the right ones. I will just buy 2 and then get a 120mm rear

[vast meadow]

I'm dead serious

[dense frost]

I know dude, I talked to you about it 🤣

[vernal cosmos]

^ can confirm

[vast meadow]

Oh yea lol

[vernal cosmos]

pato did u take it to the shop yet?

[vast meadow]

Ohh i forgot you could do 2 bottom, honestly I'd probs grab a p12 5 pack and put everywhere probs cheaper than 3x p12 + 2x p14

[vast meadow]

I do today/tomorrow

Probs tomorrow cuz 9-5 work yano

[frosty depot]

Ok so...
Exhaust: 1 rear, 2 top
Intake: 2 bottom?

[cursive epoch]

gigabyte moment

[dense frost]

yes

[vast meadow]

I mean if you wanted to do 2 bottom, very unnecessary

[frosty depot]

I mean, if I have 2 extra fans.. why not right?

If it doesn't harm it either way that is.

[dense frost]

yeah, wont harm for sure

[vernal cosmos]

lazy smh

[vernal cosmos]

can relate

[frosty depot]

Sweet.

[vernal cosmos]

giggle bite

[frosty depot]

So whats the difference between pst and non pst on the fans?

[vast meadow]

It takes while to get there okay and if i went at 5ish I'd be going right into rush hour traffic on way home ..….

[frosty depot]

There are a lot of p12 fans on pcpartpicker. Idk which one to choose for the 5 pack

[vast meadow]

Pst is arctics daisy chain terminology

I'd go p12 pst

[vernal cosmos]

go anyway

[vast meadow]

Makes life easier cable wise

[vernal cosmos]

nerd

[vast meadow]

Man I'd be hours in traffic, vs like 1 hour there and back tomorrow

[vernal cosmos]

fair enough

[frosty depot]

Ok. I won't be able to control each individual fan with daisy chain? Will have to control the whole chain as one right?

[vernal cosmos]

yeh

you can control which ones to daisy chain together tho

3 exausts on one

and intakes on other

[dense frost]

yes. controlling each fan individually is really just giving yourself a headache you dont need. control them by groups: top and rear exhaust as one, front intake as one, bottom intake as one

AIO fans on CPU fan

[frosty depot]

Ok awesome

Welp since we kinda took over cpu-mobo-memory with case and fan talk... I'm gonna bring it back to what the channel is for.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dqbTwP/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-32gvk

I'm looking at this memory

For this build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kjvcY9

[vernal cosmos]

tbh I have all my fans running the same fan curve in bios lol

i dont bother controlling speed in bindows

[frosty depot]

I thought someone suggested something different a week or so ago. I thought I changed it to that suggestion but it seems I did not.

[dense frost]

what is your cpu?

[frosty depot]

12700KF

I think so far I've gotten this build dialed down to good stuff for the 2.6k mark

With all yalls help of course.

[dense frost]

ooh, then the memory you linked is really good

[frosty depot]

Ok. Maybe that is what was suggested then. I just don't remember. So many parts have been flown through my brain the last couple weeks its getting hard for me to remember what is what lol

[burnt spear]

Isn't 4000c18 beaten by 3600c16

[dense frost]

is it?

[burnt spear]

From what I know

[frosty depot]

I think it was explained to me that with the 12700kf the 4k is better

That the alder lake series loves high frequency ram.

[burnt spear]

Timings still matter

[frosty depot]

Yeah, I think rawr is the one who told me to get those.

[burnt spear]

If its cheaper than 3600c16 ig

But 3600c16 is slightly better

[frosty depot]

When you say slightly.. do you mean like not enough to really matter?

[dense frost]

https://www.techspot.com/article/2402-intel-alder-lake-memory-scaling/ seems so

[vast meadow]

Yeah, actually easier, if you wanted, do the intakes on one header, exhaust on the other so that there's slightly more intake than exhaust and could stop a bit of dust build up, but same speed is fine

[vast meadow]

Do you want to oc the memory?

[vast meadow]

It's meh, 18 22 22 40

[frosty depot]

Alright, I will probably ask about fan curves once I have it all in front of me.

[burnt spear]

4000c18 is only worth it to get over 3600c16 if it's cheaper

[frosty depot]

I will probably get into that yes.

As well as the cpu and gpu

[vast meadow]

Then I'd go with this kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083TSLDF2

[frosty depot]

I took a look at the pinned sections to see how to do all that. Seems pretty straightforward. As long as I don't go ham on it.

[vast meadow]

Even if you don't want to get into it straight away, you can do a lazy 3600cl16 oc within a few minutes an 1 stress test

[frosty depot]

What would I be able to oc it to if I really got into it?

[vast meadow]

Well here is my 2x8gb kit of that, and I'm limited to 1.5v on my board as well as memory controller and infinity fabric limited,

It will post at 4800mhz on my bro's 11400 pc - also limited to 1.5v vdimm

[frosty depot]

Hm ok.

Will I need to get any 🐏 cooler or whatever?

So I could potentially get it to 4k with better timings than that 4k kit?

[vast meadow]

Nope, rev e/b is very heat resistant

[frosty depot]

Ok.

[vast meadow]

Well probably you'd want 3800/3900/4000 gear 1, gear down mode off - will depend on cpu's memory controller

But yeah should be able to get 4000cl16

[frosty depot]

Alright. I'll give it a shot.

I mean, if I can push it higher and it be stable then I will.

I wonder if ill be able to hit that 5ghz on the 12700k with the Arctic aio

And have good temps.

[vast meadow]

That's the stock freq that it boosts up to so, yes

[frosty depot]

Oh ok. I thought that was an overclock that people were doing.

[mild jackal]

IME, the LF360 is really mediocre for an 8 core 12th gen

I think its coldplate/fin arrangement just isn't ideal for these chips. I was seeing 92c core max on <250w cpu power 12900k P cores only

I did a lot of testing on that same board/cooler, it's a great z690/ddr4 board for only $230

Your chip's imc may very well wall at something like 3733 flat 14's gear 1, both of mine did.

Aim for something like this - but with actually tuned tertiaries, I never screenshotted the full tune for some reason
https://i.imgur.com/TV18NPL.png

mainly, aim for 6/4, 6/4 rdrd and wrwr sg/dg

[sonic patrol]

Whats the diffrence between a asus prime b660m-a d4, a b660m-k d4 and a b660-plus d4? and which one fits the best the 12600k?

[mild jackal]

Form factor, features

[vast meadow]

first 2 are micro atx, not sure about the k but the a is just an micro atx version of the plus

what best fits depends on your country/pricing

[burnt spear]

really? i thought vrms were slughtly different

[mild jackal]

Shouldn't matter much for a 12600k on air

[sonic patrol]

the first one is $152, 2nd is $130 and the 3rd one is $189

[vast meadow]

it does have slightly worse vrms yeah

[vast meadow]

thats pretty meh pricing? what country?

[burnt spear]

poland

[sonic patrol]

yup

[vast meadow]

ohh right

if you can link me the site i can see if there are better ones?

or do you want the white from prime?

[sonic patrol]

uhh sure, theyre diffrent sites but they dont matter mostly

[sonic patrol]

white one?

[vast meadow]

You want a white one?

Okay

Prime is probably only option then

[burnt spear]

idt they care

its a black case

[sonic patrol]

yea

[sonic patrol]

would prefer honestly black, since the case will be black

[vast meadow]

Okay

Link the sites and i can see if there's better ones for cheaper/same price

[sonic patrol]

komputronik.pl
euro.com.pl
x-com.pl
allegro.pl (its an ebay, wouldnt honestly recommend)

ffs they didnt link

[sonic patrol]

I could send you the links to the ones I found

[vast meadow]

It's okay 1 sec

[vast meadow]

https://m.euro.com.pl/plyty-glowne/asrock-p-yta-g-wna-asrock-b660m-pro-rs.bhtml

I couldn't check x-com because it wasn't translating

[sonic patrol]

pro it will be

[sonic patrol]

x-com doesnt translate, couldve helped u but it costs more than its worth it so its fine

I found the same ASrock, just on x-com

cheaper, idk how but it is

[vast meadow]

Oh dam

[sonic patrol]

yea

[vast meadow]

If you want to link the motherboard lga 1700 page for x-com i can see if anything else is on there

[sonic patrol]

$5 diffrence 💀

[vast meadow]

Oh well it adds up

[sonic patrol]

oh yea it does, either you drive to the store of a x-com or you gotta pay $20 shipping

idk why but that just sounds broke

[vast meadow]

Lol rip

[sonic patrol]

Ill keep the two links, will make my mind up in a few days

thanks for the help Pato

[vast meadow]

Np

[burnt spear]

and thats fine for a 12600k?

[mild jackal]

Should be ok

[burnt spear]

ty

[vast meadow]

Yeah, you looking at boards for yourself or just curious?

[burnt spear]

im helping gamer in dms

ima be saving mining profits for a 13th gen cpu, most likely 13600k

ill look at mobos then

if amd ends up supporting ddr4 for am5, itll be a tossup

[vast meadow]

It wont

Ddr5 imc only

[burnt spear]

mmm

ill have to buy an aio tho as well

or might just settle for an expensive heatsink

i dont feel like messing with an aio as of now lol

my friend runs his 5800x on a dark rock 4 pro

[grizzled bloom]

My personal rule is simple: NEVER buy the first gen on a new socket, especially a new platform

[frosty depot]

Is there a different aio that you might suggest for around the same price point??

[mild jackal]

Lol why? No sense making a blanket rule like that. Model over brand is very much the same sentiment.

Alder lake is a really solid choice if building new right now

[grizzled bloom]

That's just my personal rule based on past observations

Alder lake is an outlier, an exception if you will

Mostly because it still supports DDR4

[mild jackal]

Ddr5 is great for daily imo, it's just that some boards are terrible for high end ram oc

You can daily 6800c30 on a unify x, 32GB

[grizzled bloom]

DDR5 itself is fine, but the motherboards... I've seen plenty of cases where they fail to run jedec with 4 sticks, or can't do xmp with 2

[mild jackal]

Lol yikes, yeah, have to research more than usual

Those Kingstons in the pin are solid

Gskill xmp ratings are sus

[grizzled bloom]

One thing I look forward to doing in ~3-4 years when I move to DDR5 is custom XMP profiles

[serene moth]

i have a question will my pc be okay with it running 3600 ram vs 3200

i have a i5 12600k and my mob is asus prime h670-plus d4

[vast meadow]

Ye

[serene moth]

okay cool i was just wondering because i wanna switch from my 2400 to 3600 but just wanted to be sure it would be fine

[lunar holly]

Is there a wifi motherboard that you guys will reccomend for a 3080 ti and a i9 12900k? Im trying to build a pc but dont know exactly what motherboard to get.

[vast meadow]

Depends on country but assuming you're in the US I'd go z690 tomahawk wifi

[frosty depot]

Is that better than the z690a pro wifi?

[lunar holly]

Yeh I live in the U.S. I really appreciate the advice.

[cerulean wadi]

Great until people see ddr5 is almost 2x the cost of decent ddr4 still. Only problem with 13gen is maybe ddr5 only

[mild jackal]

13th gen is so far away, there's likely to be budget ddr5 by then. The $350 kingston ddr5 kit is comparable "top tier" to the 4400c17 gskill $320 ddr5 kit

[cerulean wadi]

Right. ah, make that 3x price of decent ddr4. 🤣 Will be fun to see ddr5 prices plummet in the next year or so .

[burnt spear]

well we'll have to wait for 13th gen to really say that

if 13th gen is immensely better, youd be right'

[mild jackal]

That's a high end kit though, and I'd say "decent' ddr4 is like $190 for 32GB

I guess you could call the $98 2x16 micron kit on sale a few weeks ago decent

[cerulean wadi]

yep exactly, and it's still $113ish so pretty good, but I'm also usually a bit "frugal" and go after bang for buck. (except the 1080 perhaps). 👍

[vast meadow]

Yeah, mainly in the heatsinks on the vrms

[vast meadow]

It has to support ddr4, even if the z790 boards are being pushed to be ddr5, you can just get z690 with flashback

[vast meadow]

Well no because 12th gen isn't a buggy mess so alder lakes is indeed an outlier

[burnt spear]

What I meant was, if 13th gen is immensely better

[vast meadow]

That wouldn't not make 12th gen an outlier tho it would just make 13th gen a big improvement

[burnt spear]

Yeah ig

[finite elm]

Nah, getting that 7950x when it launches with slow DDR5

[burnt spear]

im still waiting for ddr5 prices to drop, then ill decide if i get ddr5 or not

but as is with a good ddr4 kit ill prolly just get 13th gen

[finite elm]

The question is will 13th gen support DDR4? They are removing DDR4 support from the 700 Mobos. So could they also restrict it to the DDR5 600 mobos? 😛

I think anyway

[burnt spear]

pato seems to think so

but well cross that bridge when we get there ig lol

[finite elm]

I don't expect either of them to be too consumer friendly these days.

We'll buy anything so they'll milk us for sure

[burnt spear]

prolly

not like ill be losing a ton anyways, was only 90$ for this ram so its not a lot of money lost

could sell it for probably around the same, since its crucial

?

[finite elm]

Do you have 32GB's or 16?

[burnt spear]

32

the 32gb crucial kit that was on sale on and off for a while

[finite elm]

Ah okay. I thought you had 16

[burnt spear]

nah upgraded from a random hp 3600c18 kit

think the timings were 18-22-22-22-42 or smthn like that

terrible

[finite elm]

I mean, better than the other OEM ram they use

[burnt spear]

fair

3200c22 lol

[finite elm]

2666mhz was pretty common during 2nd gen and early 3rd gen Ryzen prebuilts.

Its why I won't suggest IbuyPower cause they cut too many corners.

[dull flint]

Welp. I'm at the point of insanity. Replaced everything systematically at this point (down to even the cables) and my system still showing E0. Ram or no Ram.
The last time I had a boot was the day after the post linked when I RMA'd the CPU and they found it was actually broken, displaying technicolor screens in their test benches at the store I bought it from, gave me back a 12900K with the same numbers and codes on the IHS but a new intel box seal so it should've been brand new. That one lasted 4 hours and 3 boots.

Any ideas? I'm at a loss. I've now tried 3 mobos and they all have the same behaviour, a whole new set of RAM, on my second 12900K, tried two different power supplies, VGA disconnected so it was never a factor (Owned it for over a year and worked fine until now) all new cables. Only the water loop and SSD's/HDD's are unchanged and nothing in it has been broken/problematic. Cooling is fine, fans are fine, they're all turning.

I'd be stunned if it was the CPU again, but also they had the same batch number so maybe it's a bad batch?

NB: this isn't related to Newegg, I don't live in the US, this isn't using any of their parts

I just need help

[hollow thorn]

Doesn't need to be related to Newegg anyways, might as well take a bit more effort and try to do a clean-ish slate to test, grab one of the new PSUs, grab the new CPU, build outside of case, grab a new unused drive if possible, and try to boot that, maybe try a different surge protector or wall outlet if possible

[dull flint]

I will definitely try that. Got so many spare parts I can make a test bench up with only the CPU and RAM sticks carried over and see what happens

I will legit cry if it works this has been a painful month

[hollow thorn]

I hope you figure out the problem soon

[vale yarrow]

My pc struggles to stream Valorant on discord to my friends, usually on 90-100% usage when I do so, with discord bugging out as well. Is this likely a cpu issue? I have a 1650 super and an i3 10100

If it was my cpu, would it be worth replacing with an i5 11400f? (I can get one for 179.99 cad rn)

[vast meadow]

11400 would be a nice upgrade yes

[vale yarrow]

Do you think it would fix my issue though?

I’d assume it is my cpu since it’s multitasking that I struggle with

And the 4 cores I have isn’t doing too well with that

But I worry it could also be my gpu

Which I cannot afford to replace atm

[mild jackal]

The 1650 super has the full NVENC capabilities of 2000 and 3000 series cards, discord should be using that for hardware acceleration, right?

That said, I could see the 10100 being the overall bottleneck

[vast meadow]

afaik it doesnt use nvenc

[mild jackal]

Should be pretty easy to test - stream some gaems, watch cpu load

[vale yarrow]

Yeah I’ll give that a go

[burnt spear]

What ram you got while we're asking?

Well more so how much

[vast meadow]

well how much/how many stick and speed are all important

[burnt spear]

For this I'm more so concerned with how much

8gb could be causing the issue

Ofc they're important

[vast meadow]

dual channel is a big factor tho

[woeful rampart]

is having x2 8gb and x2 16gb bad in any way?

same RAM just different sizes

if it is bad ill just get another 2 8gb and settle for having 32gb total

[mild jackal]

Not really. What cpu/board/sticks?

[woeful rampart]

Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz DDR4 2x 8GB current on a B550 gaming edge wifi and ryzen 5 3600

[mild jackal]

Yeah, just find some other crucial kit, no issues

[cerulean wadi]

If the 2x16 set is $113 still you could get that & sell your current set

[vast meadow]

@mild jackal this is b die right? https://www.newegg.com/oloy-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821410

[mild jackal]

idk, maybe?

[vast meadow]

hmm

[vale yarrow]

16 gb

[burnt spear]

most likely cpu then yeah

[vale yarrow]

on 3600 mhz too

[vast meadow]

2 sticks I hope?

[vale yarrow]

lmao yes

[burnt spear]

can 10100 handle 3600?

im guessig yeah since its 10th gen

but ive never seen an i3 on 3600 lol

not sure if the imc on it is worse or smthn idk

[vast meadow]

Yup

[frosty depot]

I just want to make sure, but is this B die and ocable to 4000mhz?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gCCFf7/crucial-ballistix-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-bl2k16g32c16u4b

[hollow thorn]

ballistix isn't b die, its rev e, and it can prob do 4000c16

[frosty depot]

What is difference between B die and rev e? The ram won't have to many issues with heating up to much at a 4k clock?

I apologize for questions that may seem like common knowledge.

[hollow thorn]

very different die, b die is temperature sensitive, rev e less so

[vast meadow]

Rev e or rev b, should clock up to 4000mhz yes although depending on your cpu's memory controller 3800/3900 might be the better option

[frosty depot]

Ok. I'll be using the 12700kf so I'm not sure what that'll mean in terms of getting to 4k.

[frosty depot]

Ah ok. Thank you.

[vast meadow]

Silicon lottery

[frosty depot]

Ah ok

[finite elm]

It does

[frosty depot]

Should I buy the ram now at this price? Do you project that it'll raise in price or go out of stock any time soon?

[vast meadow]

I haven't seen my nvenc be active in discord

[vast meadow]

Might do yeah, it's kinda on sale now

[frosty depot]

Alright did so. Thank you guys for the help.

[limber dragon]

could be bdie, but crucial also makes a 4000 18-19-19 of revb

[finite elm]

If you click "voice connected", then "debug", you should see a debug screen. On the side, click "Outbound" under "RTC Debug: Stream" - and in that, there will be "Encoder" which will have what we're using. -Discord staff.

But it should definitely use Nvenc. Will use it when a viewer connects. So if you streamed just in a random voice chat that might be why.

[long geyser]

Doesnt it use NVENC tho? I know it doesnt use it well cuz core/VRAM utilization is still insane for an NVENC encode

[drowsy nymph]

Thanks for the links

[finite elm]

Yes discord uses NVENC

[frosty depot]

Will the 12700k iGPU be good enough to use discord and browse the web? No gaming. Maybe a bit of youtube?

[dense frost]

yes, thats what its really good for

[frosty depot]

Ok cool. That means I can get everything I need right now to get a pc going except a dedicated gpu. Gotta wait for my taxes for that.

[dense frost]

yeah. you might be able to do some light gaming too. low settings at 720p

[vernal cosmos]

low 1080p

30fps or so in many games

is what 11500 igpu gives me

[frosty depot]

Sweet.

Yall made my day.

[dense frost]

30fps? what is this? gaming for PS1? 60fps or gtfo!

[frosty depot]

Am I going to have issues using a 1kw psu without a dedicated gpu?

[dense frost]

what? no? why would that ? what?

[frosty depot]

Like will it be to much? Or will I be fine for a month or two?

[vernal cosmos]

Oh ur right im sorry

[vernal cosmos]

too much isnt a thing

rather go overkill than underkill

[frosty depot]

Ok. I guess I thought it was for some reaaon.

[dense frost]

love this. make it a pinned post or something.

[vernal cosmos]

nope components pull only what they need

[frosty depot]

Like, to much over was a bad thing I suppose I thought.

Alright cool

I think I might go with the 12600k instead. Seem like its marginally less perf while being a good bit cheaper.

[dense frost]

whats your use case? gaming?

[frosty depot]

Yeah.

I'll be pairing it with a 6900xt

[dense frost]

12600k is very decent then

[frosty depot]

Should last me a good amount of years gaming?

[dense frost]

yup

[frosty depot]

Sweet.

[vast meadow]

Thought that was 1.35v bin tho :/

[vast meadow]

Ahhh that might be it

[drowsy nymph]

If it's the UHD 770 it might even be good enough to play some games until you can get a real one.

UHD 770 is actually a really powerful igpu considering it's an igpu.
At 1080P anyway.

[burnt spear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929048526489522196/952989480950833202/how_i_lost_500.mp4

im so confused on what he was trying to do

[hollow thorn]

Prob heard from someone trolling that you should clean your pins

[naive pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-trying-not-to-laugh-try-not-to-laugh-hold-it-in-dont-laugh-gif-5633067

[grizzled bloom]

You'll note that you only see the bottom of the CPU so it could literally be an AM4 Athlon that cost $20 and he's doing it for internet points

[burnt spear]

yeah i know

i thought about that when i first saw it

[hollow thorn]

@gritty meadow Ian no longer working for Anandtech :(
https://youtu.be/dtG9I3mZlJo

[vast meadow]

yeah this was announced a bit ago

:(

wait is he working for LTT?

[hollow thorn]

Ye but this is extra info for what he's doing now, he starting new company for now

[vast meadow]

ohh cool

i was thinking he might have been going to LTT labs because linus said they got someone really big confirmed

[hollow thorn]

It was a rumor he started I think

[vast meadow]

lol ian the troll

[serene moth]

So I originally bought the h670 for my 12600k not thinking and I can’t OC it now unless I’m wrong? But what’s a good step from that? Still staying at the like 250$

[vast meadow]

no, h670 cannot overclock, but do remember cpu overclocking these days isnt always worth the money, any z690 board will let you overclock though - would only swap if you can return your current board and are going to OC

[serene moth]

I figured. And I don’t think I can return it. Not too concerned it was kind of a gift thing so I got lucky so I’ll just sell it for cheap then use it to get me a z690. Thanks. I don’t think I need to OC I just want to know I have the option of I ever decide to.

[burnt spear]

why not wait till you decide to oc to buy a new mobo

itll be cheaper then too

[grizzled bloom]

You can still do bclk and ram overclocking on H670

[vast meadow]

bclk is only some board with external clock gens

[grizzled bloom]

You can still do it without, it's just you'll probably top out around 103 instead of 120+

[serene topaz]

Anyone else with Corsair Ram have an issue with ice not making the ram follow instructions? They are all supposed to be off but this stick decided to be purple today

[grizzled bloom]

That's icue for you

Try reseating the sticks

[serene moth]

Yeah I’ll wait till they get cheaper I runs fine for now. And I have some new ram coming in for xmp OC I’m pretty excited about

[dull flint]

Update on my situation. I built a whole separate system and tried the cpu, mobo and RAM as the only introduced factors, and I still had E0 errors.

I've RMA'd the CPU and RAM together. Told them it's one of those two. (To reiterate I've had the same error on three mobos now)

Hopefully they come back to me quickly and tell me it's all sorted out

[burnt hazel]

is there any difference between a ram kit 8x2 and buying same ram 8gb twice which is not listed under kit category

[dense frost]

there shouldnt be

but you should try and avoid such situations and buy kits of 2 when possible

[vast meadow]

There shouldn't be but there can

[cursive epoch]

Buying kits is best bet for compatibility

Besides buying individual sticks costs more than a kit anyway

[grizzled bloom]

Buying in kits is the only way to guarantee the sticks work together but modern processors care less about matching

[vernal cosmos]

or getting ballistix sticks

[normal breach]

hi guys, I need some help, i have a ryzen 5 5600g and ram 16 gb ddr4 3200, I will buy a motherboard and have 175 usd , so i ask for you to give me some options for a good motherboard

[vast meadow]

B550 pro vdh (wifi) usually good price

No point spending 175$

[normal breach]

thanks

[final rampart]

I'm helping to build my niece a super budget build (looking to keep it under $500). Picked up the i3-10105 today for $100. Does anyone here have experience with H510m motherboards? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth saving the $30 or if I should go for a B560

[burnt spear]

I'll try to make a build list, one moment

How much did the 10105 cost?

[final rampart]

$100 even

(well, $99.99 technically)

[burnt spear]

What's the build going to be used for?

[final rampart]

My current bare bones budget is:
Case: $50
CPU cooler: $16
Mobo: $120
RAM: $35
PSU: $30
SSD: $35

[final rampart]

The goal is for her to play Minecraft with us

[burnt spear]

Well, here's what I got. If you can return that cpu you could throw in a used 1030 which would be worlds better https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6rJcY9

Even if you don't you could still prolly fit it in

[final rampart]

My secondary goal is to have a PSU that can handle a 3050 or future equivalent so she could upgrade it someday, so if I have some wiggle room in the budget (this doesn't include monitor) I'd rather put it towards a nicer PSU

But I appreciate it!

[burnt spear]

The psu in there is fine for even a 3060 ti

[final rampart]

Yep, you're right, I misread that

[burnt spear]

Still, the list there is what I'd do for your budget if you're set on keeping the cpu, and maybe in a year or two you could get a 16 series or smthn in there

[final rampart]

I appreciate it, this way if she upgrades the GPU she doesn't have to replace anything, just add it

And my wife plays on a Ryzen 5 3500U laptop with adequate performance, and the 10105 is substantially more powerful, so I'm not super worried about that

[burnt spear]

ehh, the igpu on the 3500u is a good bit better iirc. 10105 should handle mc at decent render, vanilla, but if modding itll have some trouble

[final rampart]

Oh, no mods, we're on a vanilla realm

[burnt spear]

should be fine then yeah

[dim cloak]

I can confirm that a 10105 can run igpu Minecraft on vanilla and a very few mods

[burnt spear]

yep, my partners pc with a 3400g dies in a lot of modpacks tho

[dim cloak]

Oof my friend with the 10105 and 8gb of ram runs mc with like 4 mods on the private Java server

[burnt spear]

yeye, light stuff like that is fine

i mean a lot of the popular packs

crazy craft, even lite, tekkit lite, a few other big ones

[dim cloak]

Actually he was capable of handling the Cave factory mod pack shockingly

[burnt spear]

i used to have trouble in sky factory on a 1030 and 3470 lol, but that was the cpu

[dim cloak]

Which I may or may not have have killed the wither with a diamond knife for the giggles

And I stole my buddy's trinket which he was working so hard for and I just come up and start poking the wither and stole it

[vast meadow]

@final rampart https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MvKzY9

[burnt spear]

why not just the cxm, and isnt the 750 the same price?

or rmx 650

[vast meadow]

Not anymore, rmx is just as good but more and requires rebate, cxm isn't as good

[final rampart]

That's roughly what I'm planning, but my goal was to camp for sales over the next month or so and try to save some more money on the PSU and mobo in particular

Which is why I asked about the H510m mobo in the first place

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162009?Item=N82E16813162009

It's like $30 less than the B560 mobos I've seen, and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the savings

[naive pendant]

Feeding my addiction

[arctic jewel]

whats good affordable cpu

[burnt spear]

depends on your budget for the whole pc

also if youre using igpu or dgpu

and what the pcs being used for

[final rampart]

I've been happy with my 10600k, it kept me going with lighter games until I was able to find a GPU

And I got it on sale, so that helped

[burnt spear]

how much and when?

[final rampart]

Last June, I don't remember exactly, and Newegg is only showing me the total discount on the order not the discount on each part individually, but the order discount was $50 so it can't have been more than that

It was probably $150ish

[burnt spear]

nice

[final rampart]

Yeah

And now I'm running a 2080 with it

I wasn't planning on going that high, but I came across one in stock so I grabbed it rather than waiting or paying scalper prices

[burnt spear]

its a fine combo

[final rampart]

Oh I like it, I just wish I didn't have to pay so much for it lol

[vast meadow]

You can, that ones just better overall, has wifi/BT

[vast meadow]

Depends what you call affordable

[stone magnet]

whats a good budget motherboard for 12400f?

[vast meadow]

Country?

[stone magnet]

america

[vast meadow]

Asus b660 (micro atx) prime last time i checked

[burnt spear]

@vast meadow rmx 650 is 65

[vast meadow]

Showed more for me maybe i had rebate filter off

[burnt spear]

ahh

[snow tartan]

hey guys, the USB C port on my mobo doesnt seem to be working. i plug something in it but no power is coming thru... any idea? MSI B550 gaming plus

[grizzled bloom]

Do you have the drivers installed?

[snow tartan]

i checked on device manager and everything seems ok

clicked on update drivers and says its up to date

[grizzled bloom]

That just means A driver is installed

[snow tartan]

so what do i do?

do i go to my MOBOs site and get drivers?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah. I'd link the driver you need but the msi site doesn't want to work on my phone.

[snow tartan]

do you know the name of it at least so i know what to look for?

[grizzled bloom]

You'll know it when you see it, probably has usb in the name

I have no idea why the msi site just loads to a white screen for me, it's worked before

[snow tartan]

PIDE/SATA Drivers
Chipset Driver
On board VGA
and Audio

all i see on MSI

or the BIOS driver

[grizzled bloom]

https://download.msi.com/dvr_exe/mb/amd_chipset_drivers_am4_wt.zip

Gotta be the chipset driver then

You could also try updating bios and disabling fTPM

[bleak wyvern]

I have a b550 aorus elite is there a cpu I can get that could run a 3090 that is at 8core or 12 core?

[half lava]

5800x, 5900x, 5800x3d(launch April 20)

[bleak wyvern]

Understood thank you

[grizzled bloom]

5800X3D is, quoting AMD, "the world's fastest gaming cpu"

[dim cloak]

My 12700K laughing in the background currently

[grizzled bloom]

We'll see how long it's laughing. AMD has been tighter on leaks than intel, but those that have come out show up to 30-50% improvement in fps when cpu limited.

Makes me very excited for AM5 later this year.

[dim cloak]

my limit currently in most games is the gpu

[grizzled bloom]

That's usually how it is honestly. Especially at higher resolution. Which is why at 1440p with a 6900XT there's only a few % difference between most modern chips.

And then you have those insane esports players doing 720p

[wise hare]

Not sure where else to put this; last November I got an Aorus Elite AX DDR4 and a Core i7 12700K, from January onwards I've had intermittent problems with my mouse not responding until I unplug and plug it back in, or Windows would BSOD when I plugged an external drive in. Also have had to reinstall windows twice in the same timeframe. When it fully craters it either won't boot windows at all or it'll make it to the login screen and freeze for a few minutes before BSOD. BIOS is also really sluggish during those times, cursor stutters and skips, selections take a few seconds. I'm kinda at a loss. Tried different ram and just using integrated graphics without the GPU, BIOS updated, no changes.

[half lava]

Windows 10 or 11?

[wise hare]

Windows 10. I've had windows on a MBR partitioned Kingston SSD for a number of years. I've been wanting to migrate it to my PCIe 4 M.2 but I can't get the installer or bios to recognize the damn thing as a bootable drive. That's a whole different problem I'm currently facing.

[half lava]

Possible the Kingston ssd is failing. Your priority needs to be on using the m.2 drive for windows at this point

[wise hare]

That's what I'm thinking. I want to use a GPT partition anyway so I can upgrade to Windows 11 when I want. Well, time to figure out why I can't do anything with that M.2.. Only shows up under Intel Rapid Storage in the bios, but not under listed NVMe or PCIe devices. Definitely isn't bootable.

[half lava]

Turn intel rapid storage off in bios and go from there

[wise hare]

I'll give it a go tomorrow after work, thanks for the advice~

[half lava]

https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1044458/ I don’t know the exact issue you’re having but maybe this helps

[naive pendant]

who needs a 5800X3D when you can just overclock a 5800X

[grizzled bloom]

You'd need to overclock the cache, which is a pain in the butt

[cerulean wadi]

X3D also has way more cache, that's part of the hype.

[grizzled bloom]

And part of the problem... They're having huge issues with yields because it's all shaved down so much

[vast meadow]

B...but no improvements in csgo :(

[hollow thorn]

This is interesting, although I don't understand any of it
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/03/microsoft-announces-progress-on-a-completely-new-type-of-qubit/

[vast meadow]

im to tired to try understand that

[rocky iron]

Bro my cpu keeps going to 100% usage when it's not even doing anything

[vast meadow]

Gotta be something using it, check task manager

[rocky iron]

i fixed it i think

No like seriously

I only had a game open, and not even like a hard to run game, and it was taking up 60 percent usage, which brought my overall to 100

[burnt spear]

whats the cpu

and sounds like you have a lot of bloatware

[rocky iron]

I7-10700F

yeah i got rid of the bloatware

i think

it was from msi dragon center

i uninstalled like almost everything from there except the mystic light

just to keep my rgb

[burnt spear]

do you happen to use wallpaper engine

[rocky iron]

what even is that

I don't

[burnt spear]

alr

id check task manager and look at background tasks

[rocky iron]

I mean i think i fixed it

its not doing it anymore

[tepid iris]

Hi guys just upgraded to a z690 from a 390 now my NVMe isn't booting. It shows in boot but not in hard drives

[grizzled bloom]

Did you reinstall windows when migrating? If not I strongly recommend that

[vale yarrow]

Is an 11400F at 209.00 CAD a good deal? Worth upgrading from an I3 10100?

[cursive epoch]

well

depends on what you do

[long geyser]

Havent bothered to really look at Intel, but apparently 10400F can come close to 11400F with unlocked PL. Afaik lots of B560/H570 have that option. 10400F is $175 CAD

10100 should be able to get $100+ CAD on third market

So upgrade cost shouldnt be too much after inclusion of selling old CPU

Tho, proper research should be done for looking at unlimited PL 10400F, stock 11400F, and unlimited PL 11400F

[vast meadow]

10400 and 11400 are very similar in perf

[burnt spear]

@naive pendant theres a xeon 2830v2 on marketplace for $35

for $100 you can get the mobo, ram, heatsink and cpu together

[naive pendant]

gimme link 👀

do you mean 2630v2?

[burnt spear]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1165994537537055/?ref=facebook_story_share

[naive pendant]

that cpu goes for like 6 bucks by itself on ebay, but i wonder about the board and ram

[burnt spear]

Looks like it says 2830

[naive pendant]

im pretty sure 28xx series isnt a thing

ah bummer, its just from a prebuilt workstation type thing

😔

[burnt spear]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/53674/intel-xeon-processor-e72830-24m-cache-2-13-ghz-6-40-gts-intel-qpi/specifications.html

Ahh

[naive pendant]

e7's have different looking heatspreaders, so the one in the listing is a 2630v2

[burnt spear]

This is what I'm looking at

[humble wasp]

i have 2*8gp 2666mhz i want to buy 2 more

cuz some time when i open multiple things it crash cuz of the ram spacer

space

it is ddr4 is ok to put ddr5 with them ?

any advicr

advice)

[frosty depot]

You can't use ddr5 on a ddr4 motherboard.

[humble wasp]

ok

so i go with dual ddr4 same what i have already

[frosty depot]

Hm. I'm not to knowledgeable. Based from what I've seen in this server, I feel like replacing the ram you have now with 2x16 would be a better option.

[vernal cosmos]

not possible

[vernal cosmos]

what u got rn?

exact sticks

also

[humble wasp]

2*8gp 2666mhz

[vernal cosmos]

what motherboard and cpu

[vernal cosmos]

thats not a model

just speed

[humble wasp]

i5 10400F

[vernal cosmos]

i need the EXACT details

of the ram

[humble wasp]

asrock b460m pro4s

one ripjaws

one kmp

somwthing like this

[vernal cosmos]

that could be the reason for ur crashing

mixed ram

[humble wasp]

when i asked here they told me it is ok

[vernal cosmos]

what country u live in so i can link a local kit

[vernal cosmos]

its ok till its not

[humble wasp]

bahrain

[vernal cosmos]

any websites that you use there

that I can look on?

[humble wasp]

amazon newegg

b&h

[vernal cosmos]

wait

they deliver to u?

[humble wasp]

yes

[vernal cosmos]

oh cool

[humble wasp]

why?

[vernal cosmos]

Because pricing changes from country to country

[humble wasp]

aah ok

[vernal cosmos]

a good deal in the us or where i live could be a ripoff in ur country

[humble wasp]

ok i see

[vernal cosmos]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gCCFf7/crucial-ballistix-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-bl2k16g32c16u4b

id get that

and see if u can sell the ram u have rn

[humble wasp]

where i can sell

i am thinking to change the mb so i can buy higher speed ram

what do u think

[vernal cosmos]

tbh i woudlnt

i mean u can if u wanna upgrade cpu as well down the line

but doesnt make sense otherwise

upgrading board for that socket makes not much sense to me either

[humble wasp]

ok

[humble wasp]

?

[burnt spear]

Ram speed won't make a huge perf difference for you

[vernal cosmos]

since the 11700 and 11900 are kinda ehh

so yeah

save up for 12/13th gen

that ram kit will be compatible with both

[humble wasp]

ok

[vernal cosmos]

i dunno

ull have to find that

idk ur countries second hand market

[humble wasp]

ok

thank u for helping me

[vernal cosmos]

np

[scenic solar]

Prices finally dropped 🙂

But 3600 costs still more than 5600x

[vast meadow]

yes because 3rd party

[cerulean wadi]

Idk if you were answered, but the main thing is you're gaining 2 cores. Cpu tasks and "1% lows" in games will be a decent improvement. Could also sell current stuff & put that $200 cad towards 12gen. If going for 11400, also think about 10400 (often cheaper & basically the same 6 cores)

[hidden cobalt]

Looking at making a list for a guy for his first PC. Guy is looking for gaming and probably some light video editing. Trying to get him a deal on a CPU from the MicroCenter first customer promo they are running. Should I go with the:

5600x for ~$200
5800x for ~$260
12700k for ~$310

I know they are all solid in this day and age. Just looking for the best bang for the buck for the guy.

[cerulean wadi]

Mostly gaming, 5600x or 12600k or even 12400. Mobo is where you can waste or save money.

[hidden cobalt]

Yeah that is my thought. 12600k is not part of the deal MC is running sadly. Limited to 5600x, 5800x, 12700k or 12900k. Know for certain he doesn't need the i9
https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/specialoffercpu.aspx

might just go with the 5600x for him since 5xxx chips seem to be in freefall right now. Might be a super cheap upgrade to a 5900 or 5950 in a few years for him

[cerulean wadi]

Yea, or light video editing and such might make that 5800x the smart buy, but $60 on 200 is quite a bit perhaps. Good thing about the amd stuff is not "needing" Win11 like the 12gen Intels w/ Ecores. 👍

[hidden cobalt]

👍 oh yeah didn't even think of that. I don't think a $60 jump will break his budget and may be worth it still. Either one is a good deal for him in the end.

[vast meadow]

If they don't already have an am4 board there is no point going amd atm, 12600k and 12700(k) are great

To be fair the 200$ 5600x is decent but 12400 would probably be cheaper if available at micro center

Unless you can only buy at micro center, I'd just get a 12600k from somewhere else for 270$

[drowsy nymph]

@vast meadow ProVantage actually called me to confirm I actually bought a kit of their RAM.

They said something about fraud or something

So they wanted to actually speak with me.

Now that's good service.

[vast meadow]

Lol

[agile jolt]

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-B450M-DS3H-WiFi-Motherboard/dp/B08B7ZX8Q2/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=amd+motherboard+wifi&qid=1647636554&s=electronics&sprefix=amd+mot%2Celectronics%2C84&sr=1-7

what do yall think about this MB?

it looks alright for my budget

[vast meadow]

Bad for 80$

[agile jolt]

Ah

[vast meadow]

Alright for like 60 or something

[agile jolt]

But bad for 80

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1

found this for the same price

Just realized no wifi

[vast meadow]

You need wifi ?

[agile jolt]

Yeah

No ethernet access

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/43BTwP/gigabyte-b450-aorus-pro-wifi-rev-10-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-aorus-pro-wifi-rev-10

This is the cheapest decent one with wifi

But lie 10$ more and you can get a better board

[agile jolt]

I guess

Yeah

Just so many options exist it's kinda confusing

[burnt harness]

Motherboards are absolutely confusing. B, H, Z, revisions, lol. Thank you YouTube, google, and you all on here!

Im so excited for my first gaming computer purchase! I went used on Mercari.

Nzxt i510 case
Intel Core i7 9700k CPU @ 3.60ghz
32 GB 3200C16 DDR4
WD 512GB nvme
Corsair RM650X Power supply
Asus Rog Strix z390 e gaming

[agile jolt]

Hope it goes swell

I sell on theee

There

Never bought tho

[burnt harness]

I have bought too much stuff. I get the “Mercari again” look from my wife. This time I sold some stuff also to help offset.

[agile jolt]

I'm selling to make my current build

Starting off well

This is about half the cost tbf

[burnt harness]

Wow nice!

[naive pendant]

[grizzled bloom]

That's pretty common for padding files

Makes them compress really well too

[naive pendant]

welp reflashing the chips didnt work, board is still not posting

and for some reason asprogrammer cant write anything to either one of them anymore, the progress bar doesnt move

and also for some reason whenever i read the chips literally all of it is ff even though i had written bios's onto them

its like they just died

im 99% sure i got the right ch341a, the one that doesnt need the volt mod

and asprogrammer keeps saying the chips are "protected", and it doesnt let me unprotect the chips, progress bar just doesnt do anything

[naive pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-im-done-gif-5833726

[peak gate]

My mom wants to know which one is better

[vast meadow]

What phones?

[peak gate]

I have no idea let me check

[peak gate]

She says iPhone 12 Pro max

She was looking at lenovo tablets

Not necessarily phones tho

She wanted to know which cpu is better in the tablets

[vast meadow]

Well want tablets then

[peak gate]

Ohhh okie

I’m waiting for her response

[peak gate]

Lenovo 11

[vast meadow]

Looks good

[peak gate]

Alright

[steel bluff]

I was wondering if someone could help me understand my device manager. I have an Evga z370 FTW Board and it comes w/ a wifi adapter/bluetooth but it doesnt show in device manager. I think it has something todo with my device manager showing that PCI Data, PCI memory Controller and SM Bus Controller without drivers and I have no idea how to fix it.

[ruby basin]

what does that mean?
"The motherboard M.2 slot #1 requires an Intel Rocket Lake-based CPU. When an Intel Rocket Lake-based CPU is not used, the M.2 slot is disabled."

mobo: b560plus
cpu: i710700f
ssd: adata xpg sx8200 pro

[dim cloak]

In other words the first m.2 slot is disabled as you do not have a 11th gen Intel CPU

So go one down from there and use the 2nd m.2 slot for the ssd

[ruby basin]

and it doesnt affect its performance?

[dim cloak]

The first m.2 is for Gen 4 drives and in reality there isn't too much a real world benefit to gen 4 quite yet but using the second m.2 won't hinder the drives performance since it's gen 3

[ruby basin]

sorry but i dont understand this gen 3 and 4 thing, what is this?

[finite elm]

Big boy SOC

[ruby basin]

• there isnt another m.2 slot so ....?

[dim cloak]

What model is your board exactly

[ruby basin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dLkWGX/asus-prime-b560-plus-atx-lga1200-motherboard-prime-b560-plus

[dim cloak]

There is 2 more m.2 slots on that board you can use

That model has 3 m.2 and the first is not going to work the the other 2 below it will

[ruby basin]

oh really? nice, thanks!

[dim cloak]

Well the third m.2 is for a 2230 only but you still have the second one available

[ruby basin]

the second one is 2280 right?

[dim cloak]

Yes

[ruby basin]

great, thank you 🤝

[dim cloak]

No problem

[finite elm]

@shy wyvern https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYA83X9NwQQ&ab_channel=ETAPRIME Get one of these, take it out of the small case and put it in the gamecube.

[shy wyvern]

Woah

Okay I think I'mma wait that's incredible

[finite elm]

Then install Steam OS to give it that console feel

[midnight pollen]

Holy

[long geyser]

Ah yes, 680M is very fast ||/s||
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/gaming-laptops/geforce-gtx-680m/

Names are fun

[burnt spear]

Yeah you'd think they'd use a more unique naming scheme

[wheat star]

Someone teach me how to download RAM lol

[hollow thorn]

You can't just download normal ram

[upper aspen]

https://downloadmoreram.com

It’s pretty easy just follow the steps

[wheat star]

Thanks

[naive pendant]

You bein serious or nah

💀

[limber dragon]

but you can expand page filing

[mild jackal]

@vast meadow damn, price went up https://www.newegg.com/oloy-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821441

[frosty depot]

Just got my RAM today and boy does it look cooler in person than in the pic.

[vast meadow]

Rip

[naive pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/iookathernow-solluminati-gif-22586143

[wheat star]

Lmao

[coral swift]

anyone know a good budget motherboard with bluetooth?

[dim cloak]

What cpu do you have what country as well

[coral swift]

lemme send you the link rq

[coral swift]

i have a build rn im looking for affordability and well running mc for work and gaming

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CNmk6r

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7TkXv3

[frail frigate]

Having issues with my ram

When i have two sticks installed, machine turns off

[umbral flint]

is this a good motherboard? https://www.amazon.com/Z690-PG-Velocita-LGA1700-Motherboard/dp/B09JM86C21/ref=sr_1_1_mod_primary_new?keywords=ASRock+Z690+PG+Velocita&qid=1647827532&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=8-1

[smoky widget]

Ya, but DDR5 is had to get and expensive

[umbral flint]

so i need ddr5 for this motherboard

i cant use ddr4?