cpus-mobo-and-memory

[quartz oriole]

Sometimes it’ll hit like 61-63 max

But coming from an i5 7200u, this is like a nasa supercomputer

[naive pendant]

lol nice

[quartz oriole]

5800x is by far the best $250 I’ve ever spent

[naive pendant]

I forget how much I paid for my 3900X

it wasnt a super great deal but still alright

just under 400 yea

that was early 2021

[quartz oriole]

I got a $50 mc coupon and it was already on sale for $50 so I got it for $100 off

[naive pendant]

tbh you still technically paid for the coupon

[scenic solar]

I have a MSI a320m a pro (it has 2 ram slots) and I have 1 ram stick
Which slot do I have to use first? DIMMa1? or DIMMb1?

[naive pendant]

a1

out of curiosity, how come you're not using a dual channel config?

[scenic solar]

Because I wanted the cheapest ram (new → 16GB 3200)

Only 55€

[naive pendant]

You're really limiting your mem bandwidth though, you'll be losing quite a bit of performance

[scenic solar]

Yeah I know

[daring magnet]

Any asus rog maximus z690 extreme owners in here? having an issue with the livedash oled

google-fu has not aided me

[scenic solar]

The 2 stick configuration was 77€

Not good for my brother's budget pc

(250€)

[naive pendant]

Even getting slower dimms to have dual channel would still be better than one faster dimm

[scenic solar]

Should I return them and try to get cheaper ones 2 sticks

?

[naive pendant]

Honestly yea

[scenic solar]

Uh

Okə

[naive pendant]

feel free to post it here when you find a kit you think you wanna get

[scenic solar]

Consider that I have a R5 2400g

It will make a big difference..right?

https://youtu.be/l6ZohozBajA

From these benchmarks there are some big improvements

With 10€ more i can get gskill ram (the ones I used for 1 year In my pc)

[vast meadow]

2 sticks are always significantly better, especially in 1% lows

[scenic solar]

👍

[frosty depot]

So if I don't plan on going above 32gb ram, should I get 4×8gb instead of 2×16?

[naive pendant]

I'd go with 2x16

[vernal cosmos]

Oof asrock sucks for b660 boards

[wheat salmon]

2 sticks can usually OC higher than 4 sticks in dual channel systems

[naive pendant]

i have like 4 asrock boards

they're not b660 though lol

wait no i sold one of them

3 boards lol

[long geyser]

AsRock hasnt been nice for Intel for a while now. I dont think they've not botched their entire Intel lineup for quite a few generations now.

Who knows when AsRock Intel stuff will be an aight budget solution

[hollow thorn]

Perhaps never

[long geyser]

AsRock AMD stuff is pretty decent, esp in CAN with huge MIR

[hollow thorn]

I feel like low end ASRock is either meh or crap

[long geyser]

I mean low end anything is like that.

[hollow thorn]

Stuff like pro4 are just meh, not great value (typically)

But MSI's low end has been actually good value

Z690-a pro, b550m pro vdh wifi

Asus have been okay with b660 plus

[long geyser]

I'd put Pro4 over VDH WiFi tbf. Just means slightly more work in finding a good M2E card deal

More USB IO, more fan headers, "more" PCIe (extra x16 instead of x1), better SPU, more SATA IO if not using M2E, much better M2E card if you decide to find deals for it

[naive pendant]

Have any other spare parts?

Is that a case? lol

Oh dang

[vernal cosmos]

yeah but theyve botched the new one up completely again

their b660 board cant even run 12900k at stock lol

[long geyser]

Pretty much how it's been for a while no? Dont most AsRock Intel lineups fail to run the stock highest end CPU of their generation?

[vernal cosmos]

was fine last gen

was able to run

just no t well

this gen fails to hit minimum spec

[long geyser]

Yeah looked at it now. Could do min spec but struggle more then usual at no PL

[vernal cosmos]

hwunboxed video?

because if yes, to be able to get that result he had to put a dedicated 120 on top of the vrms in an already well cooled case

which is unrealistic

yeah

u can

[long geyser]

Yeah, I assume one could maybe fix it with voltage and freq tuning. Seems like it was pushing it harder then other boards too
But that stuff is much more limited on non-z boards, so idk how much one could do

[vernal cosmos]

nah its just crap vrms with no heatsync

[long geyser]

Some of it is, but some of it is also just bad tuning

[vernal cosmos]

and if u need to undervolt a cpu just to get it to run at minimum spec freq, its a crap board regardless

[vernal cosmos]

oh? could you elaborate?

[long geyser]

The AR b560 series looked to have bit weird v/f curve based on the results UB was showing. Results just seemed bit weird

But as said before, idk how much that can be fixed on non-z boards (z boards can just do locked v/f more or less)

[vernal cosmos]

yeah fair

i dont think core voltage can be adjusted on b series boards

just the soc voltages

[long geyser]

I think the only thing Intel requires is a freq limit. Pretty sure full voltage stuff can be on b series, but idk

Probs more of a "this board is cheap, we dont feel like putting this feature in" if one doesnt see it

[vernal cosmos]

fair enough

[hollow thorn]

flashback raises vdh wifi much higher imo, I say sound chip doesn't matter.

[long geyser]

Not much when it's a latest gen AM4 board, only good for Cezanne (APUs) gen

[hollow thorn]

But for slapping in zen 3 then zen 3d

imo, people would want easier upgradability than more sata ports that they wouldn't care about, or PCIe lands they probably won't use, or sound chip

[long geyser]

Zen3D sure, but idk abt Zen3. Seems pretty unlikely to get >1.5 year old stock

[hollow thorn]

Unlikely, but for peace of mind, and especially for apus or for other markets

[long geyser]

Probs DOA percentages tbf. Pretty much only nice for APUs/3D

[hollow thorn]

I think its just also really nice for troubleshooting

[hollow thorn]

rather be able to flash bios on while troubleshooting rather than having to troubleshoot with no way to know if bios version supports chip

And well, wifi on a cheap board is nice

[long geyser]

Good troubleshooting for standard people I guess. But also depends on who it is, I'd be troubleshooting with a $20 external programmer more then likely if I didnt have a chip to use.
As for WiFi, good M2E cards are cheap. Pro4 seems to be cheaper then base VDH, M2E+Antenna puts it at slightly more then VDH but the M2E is effectively the best you can get rather then cheapest you can get (VDH).

The only good points VDH have is less thinking for WiFi and FB

[hollow thorn]

That's what I like about the board tbh, and relatively consistent price

[long geyser]

The amt of extra features you get with Pro4 for lacking those two points is smth I personally would consider a bonus

[hollow thorn]

I mean, the rest of the upsides don't really matter imo, other than io, and io on vdh wifi looks comparable to pro4, just another type a instead of type c

I'm biased, but in my mind, this is a question of
Getting flashback and wifi
Vs
USB type c on rear io instead of type a, and some other small things

[long geyser]

mATX is different

2 more rear + one more 3.0 internal

[hollow thorn]

Huh

Surprising matx gets better io, didn't know that

[long geyser]

Yeah I was confused and thought the master spreadsheet was wrong at first, then looked to see if mATX was different or smth

[hollow thorn]

Makes matx pro4 another good option then

[long geyser]

Think it's cuz ATX has extra gen3 x1. That was replaced for USB cuz couldnt fit more PCIe

Also in CAN price differences are ridiculous. MIR makes it like $45 CAD cheaper ($50 CAD MIR)

[hollow thorn]

Yea that's just crazy

[naive pendant]

Hopefully I can fix it

Bought this as not working off ebay btw

Funny how there are b660 boards more expensive than what this went for at launch...

And my extreme6 board

8 76A stages for the cpu, two 40A stages per 4 dimms, neat.

[peak perch]

So I just had an outage. I am on a surge protector. The cpu status light is on. Then in 4 sec it quickly flashes to the dram and back to the cpu again.. am I boned?

[grizzled bloom]

Is it an actual surge protector or just a power bar?

[peak perch]

It's an apc bn900m

MB is a Gigabyte x470 Aorus gaming 5 wifi... this happens before and I was recommended on here reset the cmos and it work. Did the same and nothing this time

[grizzled bloom]

Which method did you use to clear cmos?

[peak perch]

I did this...

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, instead of the jumper do a full system power drain.
Flip the power supply off but leave it plugged in so it's still grounded.
Take out the cmos battery.
Hold the power button for 15 seconds.
Leave the system off for 15-20 minutes, occasionally pressing the power button to drain the capacitors.
Then you can put the battery back and turn the computer on.

[peak perch]

I'll report back in 20

[scenic solar]

It's also missing 1 RAM and 1 PCIe lock 🥶 👌

Poor motherboard....

[peak perch]

It's still the same. I pressed the power about 6 times throughout the time. Was that too little?

[hollow thorn]

It should've been good enough

If the battery was out for 20min, it would've reset either way

[peak perch]

I'm going to try it again

[hollow thorn]

I say look around at other things first

Some other possible points of failure

[quartz oriole]

Is that a threadripper mobo?

[rocky beacon]

Not at all

It's a X99 motherboard

[quartz zinc]

im currently searching ebay for a 12900k and ive noticed these 12900k "ES" processors going for as low as $320

is it any different from a regular 12900k?

[dim cloak]

Those are engineering samples

And they tend to act funkier than the actual market 12900K skus

[cerulean wadi]

Aka not recommended. Might not even work good in a normal consumer z690 mobo

[long geyser]

Pretty sure almost all ES chips work in any board. Perf wont be as good as default bin tho, but if you can get a bad bin 12900k for $180 cheaper then MC price it really aint bad. Probably only good to get tho if you know how to tune chips incase default v/f table is messed up.

[mild jackal]

Wait, what? wdym

2x16 is functionally identical to the cpu as 4x8. Modern boards will tend to prefer 2x16 as they're mostly daisy chain, but z390 and older is often T-top

Won't matter under 4000mhz or so anyway

That said, you can often clock 2x8 higher than 2x16 at the same timings.

It's complicated though, there are 16GB single rank sticks like micron rev.b

[long geyser]

Think it was "two is better then one" kinda thing

[mild jackal]

oh, lol, wow, I feel silly

[main pulsar]

silly goose

[quartz oriole]

Someone told me it would not be safe to enable xmp on my 4x8 ram that I bought in two packs of two, can i get a 2nd opinion on this?

[grizzled bloom]

Should be "safe" but it might not work

No way to tell unless you try

[quartz oriole]

Just don’t wanna fry my ram or mobo

[grizzled bloom]

Nah worst case you just need to reset cmos

[frosty depot]

So is the 12700k not able to utilize 3600 ram to it's fullest?

[vernal cosmos]

It is

Why wouldnt it

[frosty depot]

Because I keep reading that it can only utilize up to 3200

[vernal cosmos]

12700k supports ddr5

Ddr5 doesnt even go as low as 3200

[frosty depot]

I suppose I should have said ddr4

[vernal cosmos]

Point being it supports ddr5 as well

Which is far higher freq

[frosty depot]

Right, but it keep seeing that ddr4 caps at 3200 and ddr5 caps at 4800

[vernal cosmos]

Bs

You can run 4000+ ddr4

[frosty depot]

Idk, its on tomshardware and another site I was looking at.

[vernal cosmos]

Link

[frosty depot]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-alder-lake-specifications-price-benchmarks-release-date

[vernal cosmos]

Oh intel says it can do 3200 ddr4

As peak

But

Like with each and every other cpu in the last many years

That number should be ignored

Bomo limits better

[frosty depot]

Bomo?

[frosty depot]

Confused by this.

[vernal cosmos]

Mobo

Typo

My bad

But yeah u can safely ignore the cpu spec for ram speed

And follow community tested safe freqs

[frosty depot]

Alright cool. Thank you rawr

#RAWR for techie

[vernal cosmos]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/883798234164789268.png?size=48

[cerulean wadi]

3600c16 would be a fine pick. 12gen seems to "like" faster ram at least far more than 10/11 gen does. As in, wouldn't be a waste. 👍

[frosty depot]

Alright cool

[vernal cosmos]

Id go 4000c18

Cheaper than 3600c16

@frosty depot

Better perf too

[frosty depot]

Cheaper than the 2x16 ripjaw V?

[cerulean wadi]

haha, that's what I was thinking of to mention. Often $130ish, not counting sales

[frosty depot]

Can the msi pro z690-a handle it?

[vernal cosmos]

Get good smh my head

[cerulean wadi]

no you

[vernal cosmos]

No u

[frosty depot]

Which ones would you recommend?

[vernal cosmos]

16gb or 32gb

[frosty depot]

32

[cerulean wadi]

It's literally what I bought and resold a while back. (didn't need for z590)

[grizzled bloom]

The 3200 spec from Intel is only the official jedec guideline. Technically anything above that is an overclock, but xmp makes it easy.

[vernal cosmos]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dqbTwP/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-32gvk

[grizzled bloom]

I've been recommending that one for 12th gen too

[cerulean wadi]

It was $133!

[vernal cosmos]

Great kit great price

[frosty depot]

How come its cheaper than the lower mhz ram?

Seems wierd to me i guess

[grizzled bloom]

The 3600 kits are higher demand because ryzen 5000 likes them more

[frosty depot]

Oh ok

[vast meadow]

What hei said

Could have worded a bit better tbf

[pliant siren]

yo, where can i buy 4 sticks of memory without being ripped off and scammed?
Amazon just send me scam bags instead of the ram sticks i needed

[vast meadow]

They sent you what now?

Did you order ram dummy sticks because they are a thing

[pliant siren]

no, sold by "amazon.com" just got two 3x3 inch bags with a twist tie inside

instead of getting a Corsair Dominator RGB 4x8GB 3600MHZ DDR4 RAM kit

[vast meadow]

Uhh what

[cerulean wadi]

Can you link what you tried to buy anyways? Generally 4dimm kits aren't a great deal as it is.

[vast meadow]

Sounds like the employee fancied your ram and did a swithcaroo idk?

[pliant siren]

do i have photo privilages?

[vast meadow]

Ye

[pliant siren]

that's what i got

[cerulean wadi]

[pliant siren]

TWICE

[vast meadow]

But yeah like chillin said, 4 sticks are harder to run and corsair ram is a yikes anyway but that's a yikes, where you able to get your money back?

Whats in the bags?

[pliant siren]

go see the file details, they're both different

i see and feel Twist ties

[vast meadow]

Oof

[pliant siren]

associates are being difficult, they don't believe me

[vast meadow]

Yikes

[pliant siren]

i just wanted RGB RAM at higher speeds for workflows in animation

cause like, i got alot of corsair stuff anyways, the aio screen, fans, case. so why not the ram to finish the RGB?

or ya know what? maybe it's fate that i should stay with my vengence 16gb at 3000mhz then for my 3900x

oh and last thing, the product page i visited was from via corsair's store as well (both their site and via amazon) so ye...

[vast meadow]

If you want 32gb rgb ram which sounds more important than speed for animation I'd imagine, I'd just get this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jxH8TW/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gtzrc

[naive pendant]

It works

[vast meadow]

Pogr

[daring magnet]

I’m running memtest 9.2 from bios (came with asus) and it never completes (reboots pc) but no errors on both base clock and xmp1

Don’t remember what test it was on before rebooting pc

Does this mean my memory is bad? There were no errors

DDR5 btw

[vast meadow]

probably poorly written piece of software

use occt or testmem5 extreme anta profile if you wanna test ram stability

[daring magnet]

Well, I am also getting frequent crashes

Which is why am I testing ram

This is a brand new build

@vast meadow even when not playing games, could be browsing the web and it crashes (freezes then reboots by itself)

I9-12900k, DDR5 5600mhz gskill, asus rog maximus z690 extreme

Updated bios and drivers, and default bios settings

[vast meadow]

can you download and run whocrashed?

also what cooler are you using and what temps are you getting?

could be overheating?

[daring magnet]

Nzxt z73 360 aio

Idle temps don’t go higher than 30

[daring magnet]

Sure can, let me give it a go

[devout moth]

Gruwen#6666 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[daring magnet]

can’t say f word ok

anyways what i tried to say was that build so new i haven’t even had the chance to mess around with cpu oc yet

[vast meadow]

you crashing on idlle?

[rancid harness]

yo if i were to buy a used laptop, what should I check for?

is this worth $700, used and bought in 2021

with 1 year warranty left

[vast meadow]

no you should be able to buy a new one/better one for that price

[rancid harness]

any recommendations

[daring magnet]

haven’t really been idle enough to really say, but computer will freeze and crash doing something like browsing the web

this is what whocrashed says, so this rules out issues with drivers/software?

[vast meadow]

you in the us yeah? and whats the use for the laptop

[vast meadow]

yeah then what is your average temp while doing things?

[rancid harness]

well im from Singapore, for studying and for gaming capable for valorant if possible

[vast meadow]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that can change things

[rancid harness]

any like suggestions i could search in the used marketplace

[vast meadow]

just see what you can get and ask here/build chat

[daring magnet]

do you have a software you recommend for diagnosing? I've just been using the readout from nzxt cam lol

[rancid harness]

theres alot of different models, no idea which to look for lol

but the specs i sent not worth 700usd?

[vast meadow]

use hwinfo 64, nzxt cam is yikes

[daring magnet]

thanks

[vast meadow]

well theres no point saying it in usd because it doesnt apply to you

[vast meadow]

look for gpu +16gb ram

[rancid harness]

ahh im just translating it to usd so itd be easier for you guys to refer to

[vast meadow]

models dont matter as much usually

[vast meadow]

yeah nah dont it causes more confusion because ppl think youre in the us then

and prices are different in different countries

[rancid harness]

i see

[rancid harness]

do you think i should go for this or find something else though

[daring magnet]

don't see cpu temp here :/ ?

[grizzled bloom]

Find something with a better gpu if you can. If you can't it'll do but don't expect much performance from it.

[daring magnet]

although, why does memory clock say it's 2400mhz?

[grizzled bloom]

Do sensors only mode when it starts

[daring magnet]

oh

[grizzled bloom]

DDR means Double Data Rate, so 2400 MHz = 4800 MT/s

[daring magnet]

oh thanks for the info

Should i continue?

[grizzled bloom]

Continue, you can disable later if you want to use it more often

[daring magnet]

@vast meadow

I just realized you can minimize categories..

temps look fine on cpu

[rancid harness]

man i have no idea how to look for laptops lol

[daring magnet]

Also, how is my system using 6gb of ram with no programs open?

[grizzled bloom]

Windows uses it

I stripped mine down a lot and it still uses 4gb

[daring magnet]

Does hwinfo look fine? I’m looking for why my pc is crashing on a two day old build

[grizzled bloom]

Windows 11 uses more than 10 also

[daring magnet]

Random crashes, freezes for a bit then reboots itself sometimes

[grizzled bloom]

Phone is dying, can't read it on my dark screen

[daring magnet]

Memtest also did not complete, no errors just rebooted more than halfway in

[grizzled bloom]

I can't see but is there a temp sensor for your memory? It could be that

[daring magnet]

Hwinfo says memory is at 40c for both sticks

[grizzled bloom]

Ok good it does. Run occt memory test or another memory test and see how high it gets.

I'm at 3% so phone is about to shut off

[vast meadow]

do something that would usually make it crash and keep an eye on temps btw now just idle or something

also do you have your memory sticks in slots 2 and 4?

[daring magnet]

Yes, A2 and B2

i reran memtest on one stick in channel A2 and so far so good it has not rebooted like before where it would go for only 10 mins and then reboot

Going on for an hour now

[vast meadow]

could be unlucky and have 1 faulty stick :(

[daring magnet]

Will then do the same for the other stick in A2 and see how it goes. If it passes too I can say my ram is good? Then check either stick in B2 and if it fails then

[devout moth]

Gruwen#6666 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[daring magnet]

which i hope is not the case

I really hope it’s ram if it’s gonna be anything

[hollow thorn]

Going around filter sad, not doing that would be nice

Crappy memory channel would be pretty sad, but also, tm5 can be useful for memory testing if you aren't using it already

[vast meadow]

no filter avoiding

[daring magnet]

I’ll try it after

Worst part is I got these sticks from a bundle

And pretty sure i can’t rma just the sticks through newegg

if theyre bad

[vast meadow]

too be honest not the end of the world your board is super overkill, could definitely save a lot of money iirc because you said z690 apex or something

and good ddr4 is just as good if not better

[grizzled bloom]

You can get a replacement, just not a return

[naive pendant]

[vast meadow]

leaks say 5800x3d is shipping to retailers now coming out by end of the month

[naive pendant]

Oh dang

[cursive epoch]

amd rushing it

cause intel came in, imma bet

[grizzled bloom]

It's been basically done for a while now. They just need to get the chips produced so it's not another paper launch.

[cursive epoch]

hm, true

[shy wyvern]

A lot of companies like gskill also have lifetime warranty on ram sticks. (They still even replace ddr3 that go out!). You can always contact manufacturer

[cursive epoch]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/amd-arm-google-intel-tsmc-and-others-join-universal-chiplet-interconnect-express-ucie-group

oooo

is this the future where a cpu has chiplets with many brands in one?

[hollow thorn]

They could've just went to this tbh
https://opencomputeproject.github.io/ODSA-BoW/bow_specification.html

[main pulsar]

chipsets are just pcie devices nowadays

you could literally desolder the chipset, and the system would still be completely functional

well, should be, idk if there could potentially be something wacky with board designs to prevent that, but boards like the A300 simply do not have a chipset iirc

[vast meadow]

Yep tr boards no have chipset

[vast meadow]

But that says chiplets not chipsets

As in any smoll chips

[main pulsar]

😳

ANYWAY

standardizing the substrate that chips are soldered to seems... interesting?

[cursive epoch]

yep

[timid sundial]

Is it true that the 12th gen i7 has Iris xe graphics intergrated?

[vast meadow]

It has uhd 730 on the 12400 and below, 750 on the 12500 and above

[cursive epoch]

they're all cut down xe

[dim cloak]

I thought it was 740 12400 and below while the 12500 750 and the 12700 has 770

[grizzled bloom]

12600k has 770

[dim cloak]

I've yet to see the performance of the 770 myself but I want to see what it can do since this is a step up

[cursive epoch]

it..

loses to vega

so really it's meh

[vast meadow]

Oh idek know anymore that one applied to 11th gen sorry

But eh igpu is still meh

[daring magnet]

Okay so after more tests, my mobo ram channels are fine, and testing both sticks at base clock also passed memtest. However they’re showing up errors when i run the test in xmp 1.

Does this mean that xmp 1 tries for too fast speeds, or just sticks are bad in general because they can’t do their advertised speed? Ddr5 btw

[ivory fjord]

Hey guys. I want to purchase the ASRock B450M Steel Legend AM4 with the Ryzen 7 5700g. But i'm not sure if the bios is compatible wit hthe cpu out of the box?

[limber dragon]

depends if they updated the bios on the board, and how long that board has been sitting in a warehouse

[scenic solar]

I just saw a video about Intel Xeon sockets shown on Intel website that are "wrong"
On Intel website it can be LGA2011 but it's not actually compatible with the a normal lga2011 MB (due to different dimensions/pin layout).
So..
I wanted to ask you if the Xeon E7 4860v2 is compatible with this MB:
https://m.it.aliexpress.com/item/1005002495814824.html?_randl_currency=EUR&_randl_shipto=IT&src=google&aff_fcid=204c1e81f0f643e9992be6d34911ee7d-1646515735242-07991-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=204c1e81f0f643e9992be6d34911ee7d-1646515735242-07991-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=4afeb4588d3c43ebb30b6864850969e7&afSmartRedirect=y
(The "white" one)

.

(Tag me plz @)

[cerulean wadi]

Probably not. I suggest b550, or at least make sure w/e you buy has bios "flashback" and/or a sticker that says "ryzen 5000"

[mild jackal]

Haha yeah they do, x399/TRX40/WRX80

[mild jackal]

Would be nice if this was the case, but don't think it is

[main pulsar]

yeah i didnt think so

[viscid walrus]

Hello so I recently swapped cases and got new fans and stuff and I tried powering it on but on the motherboard lights up any ideas on why?

[graceful elm]

what motherboard and what color light

[vale yarrow]

is there a big difference between the 10600k and the 11400f?

[frosty depot]

Will future intel cpus use the 1700 socket?

[vale yarrow]

the 13th gen likely will, possibly the 14th too

[vernal cosmos]

13th gen

after that new socket

[quartz oriole]

Yeah Intel gets a new socket every 2 generations

[mental fractal]

Intel series 6,7,8 and 9 generation Intel CPU's all use the land grid array socket with 1151 pins. These CPU's all use the same socket.
Intel X series 7,9 and 10 generation Intel extreme CPU's also all use the land grid array 2066 pin socket.
That is 4 and 3 generations on the same socket. Not 2 generations.

[mild jackal]

6th/7th gen vs 8th/9th gen use a different pinout even thought they fit in the same socket, it's 1151 v1 vs v2, you can often mod z170 or z270 boards to accept 8th or 9th gen CPUs

7980xe, 9980xe, 10980xe are all on the same architecture with very minor improvements to clocks and IMC

[naive pendant]

chinese x79 motherboards lol

they dont even use x79 chipsets

[naive pendant]

except "10980XE" is fun to say

[vast meadow]

Hmm i swore they didn't

[mental fractal]

No, 7980XE is skylake and 9980XE is skylake but the 10980XE is cascade lake

[naive pendant]

it has a different name but it still performs super similarly to the previous gens

[grizzled bloom]

It's all the same
Only the names will change
The processors I meet
Are as cold as the place

[vale yarrow]

is there a big difference between the i5 10600k and the i5 11400f? I found about a $30 price difference between the two, but the 11400f isn’t available for me yet, and I’m unsure if I should wait for it or not

[grizzled bloom]

10600k has more cores and has overclocking ability on Z490/Z590 boards. It also has an integrated gpu.

If you're building a new system I'd suggest the 12400 instead of either, with a B660 motherboard and DDR4

[mild jackal]

It's labeled cascade lake yes, but it's the same architecture with a few minor changes as the first two generations. It's very different than the xeon scalable cascade lake chips.

[mild jackal]

Nah, and the chipset really does a lot of work, TRX40 has a 4.0 x8 link to the cpu so a ton of devices can be multiplexed over that.

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15121/AMD TRX40 Chipset Image 3_678x452.jpg
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15121/AMD TRX40 Chipset Diagram.JPG

My wrx80 mobo came in yesterday and it literally weighs 10 pounds haha, so much heatsink

[vast meadow]

Same amount of cores

[vast meadow]

Neither are worth it in 2022, either go 10400(f) or 12400/12600k

[vale yarrow]

If I go for a 12th gen I’d have to get a new motherboard

And why aren’t either worth it?

[vast meadow]

What do you have now?

[vast meadow]

Bad pricing

[vale yarrow]

I3 10100

[vast meadow]

What board?

[vale yarrow]

But I can find an 11400f for 209 cad

[vale yarrow]

I honestly forget, but it’s an LGA 1200 socket

[vast meadow]

Ah not too bad of a price difference in canada then, you can check board if you have/download cpu z btw

[vale yarrow]

I think I know how to find it, but I’m not at my pc rn so I can’t check

[vast meadow]

you might need to update bios btw

[vale yarrow]

Yeah I might have to

I’ll look into it

Also

Could packet loss be caused by a motherboard issue?

Cuz I get constant packet loss, and I’m not sure if it’s my pc or my internet

[naive pendant]

Pic?

[vast meadow]

uh no

could maybe be a driver issue but most likely your wifi/internet

[vale yarrow]

I’ll look into both, thank you

[mild jackal]

https://i.imgur.com/KOVdQ9T.jpeg

[naive pendant]

Man that's sweet

And those chipset fins and fan lol

[mild jackal]

It's a bit dirty, but I got it for $400 vs the $1000 msrp lol

[naive pendant]

Jeez

What're you using it for?

[mild jackal]

[naive pendant]

And whered you find that deal? lol

[mild jackal]

I just bid on ebay

[naive pendant]

Nice

I was gonna go for a "not working" x79 fatal1ty champion auction but I think I changed my mind

[mild jackal]

The memory vrm is huge, because of the rdimm support I guess https://dlcdnwebimgs.asus.com/files/media/5d08b7ca-3141-472e-bd0a-ccfe82b25b24/images/power_img2.png

[naive pendant]

What kind of stages are those?

Looking at beefy vrms is fun

[mild jackal]

No idea, but imagine it's all pretty overkill

u.2 on board will be nice, my zenith doesn't have that

[naive pendant]

The x99 board I got recently has u.2 support which is surprising

Gonna sell it though

[mild jackal]

afaik u.2 wasn't hot swap capable on my z390 dark, would be nice to have that capability

[naive pendant]

Doubt my board does either

Wish it was better for overclocking though

[finite elm]

🤔

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-h610-motherboard-debuts-with-ddr4-and-ddr5-support

Lol single channel memory.

[quartz oriole]

What the

[vast meadow]

Lmao

[dull flint]

damn look at that upgrade path

[mild jackal]

I used to daily a core 2 duo E8400 / P35 board that had both ddr2 and ddr3, started with some 800mhz ballistix tracer rgb and upgraded to mushkin 1333 ddr3 at some point.

Early ddr3 was really slow and expensive

[grizzled bloom]

Sounds familiar

Like the past is repeating itself

[mild jackal]

I think good ddr5 isn't too pricey or hard to find if you know what to buy, but you can't just go off the xmp rating as easily as with ddr4

[vast meadow]

How come you can't go off the xmp?

[naive pendant]

reminds me of the chinese x99 boards with ddr3 and ddr4 slots lol

[mild jackal]

I've been told ddr5 xmp ratings just aren't as indicative of performance potential vs ddr4

e.g. people are saying the 6000c40 kingston kits are better than 6400c32 gskill

[vast meadow]

Interesting....

I wonder if Kingston is just not pushing the xmp as far

[delicate iris]

is there a way to get the link speed of a PCI Express connected device from Device Manager? Trying to figure out if its running PCI Express 2.0 or 3.0

[cerulean wadi]

Use gpuz,

[delicate iris]

its for a USB expansion card that should be running close to 4GB/s but is running at half the speed. Can you still get throughput for any PCI Express device on GPU-Z?

[grizzled bloom]

Hwinfo will tell you

[delicate iris]

Well its running in the right link configuration but splitting the bandwidth into two ports even though the pci-e card only has a single type-c port.

[grizzled bloom]

Poor hardware design I guess

[delicate iris]

Well time to leave a bad review on Amazon xD. I just have to figure out the math on bitrate for oculus link first to see if its actually an issue or if 1.9 GB/s is fine at my settings.

[grizzled bloom]

Quest 2 is apparently limited to 150mb because of the snapdragon processor's video decoding speed, so you'll be fine

[naive pendant]

took the big ol heatsink array off

[cerulean wadi]

https://www.techpowerup.com/292708/trendforce-ddr3-consumer-dram-prices-expected-to-rise-by-0-5-in-2q22-due-to-rapidly-shrinking-supply

[naive pendant]

time to stock up

[vast meadow]

Ohhh no not the ddr3

[dense frost]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-threadripper-pro-5000-leak-64-zen-3-cores-4-5-ghz

zen 3 tr incoming

[cerulean wadi]

Ikr. Still have a spare set of 2x4GB 1600 & a much more vintage set of 4x1GB 1066 ddr2

[naive pendant]

"vintage"

lol

[cerulean wadi]

The worse thing is soon no more ballistix made

[main pulsar]

yeah but i would assume crucial is still gonna make ddr5 kits, right?

so regardless of the name, we could still get really good and cheap ram

even if its called something stupid, or looks stupid

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah but ballistix is their gaming focused model. They might bring in another model to replace it or might not.

[main pulsar]

i dont see why they wouldnt tbh

[grizzled bloom]

They don't lose much by dropping it. They still sell the chips for sticks to other manufacturers.

[main pulsar]

just seems odd that they would simply exit a market where they have a well established presence

unless they think they can make more money selling components to other manufacturers

[cerulean wadi]

Ddr5 good & cheap -- Be a while until ddr5 outright beats normal 3200c16 stuff hehe. Wish I bought 2or3 32GB kits of that speed ballistix when it was $90-95. Also I got an 8thread xeon 1240v2, haven't had a chance to install. $35 seemed worth a try.

[upper rose]

how did you guys get 32gb ram running?

i have 4x8gb

and windows only reads 16gb

[grizzled bloom]

I'm guessing you mean DDR3

Because DDR4 is easy

[upper rose]

to the person who said ddr5?

they likely meant ddr3

i'd think

[grizzled bloom]

No one here was talking about DDR3, unless you mean the mention of a xeon

[upper rose]

oh sorry

[naive pendant]

did someone say xeon

[upper rose]

i thought you were responding to chillin

my mistake

[grizzled bloom]

DDR3 came up last night, and early this morning though

[upper rose]

oh okay

but i just cannot get the full 32gb to work

[grizzled bloom]

But only because it's going to get more expensive as it ages from here on

[grizzled bloom]

What processor and motherboard?

[naive pendant]

id like some quad rank chungus ddr3 dimms

[upper rose]

cpu is ryzen 3 3200, mobo is b550

[grizzled bloom]

Ah so it is DDR4

[upper rose]

the ram is also ddr4

problem is

windows detects all 32gb ram but doesnt use it

is windows being l a z y

[grizzled bloom]

32gb shows up in bios?

[upper rose]

yeah

all 4x8gb cards

[grizzled bloom]

And what edition of Windows?

[upper rose]

10

ameliorated

[grizzled bloom]

Home or pro?

[upper rose]

pro

hmm

does that hurt it

[grizzled bloom]

I'd recommend reseating the ram in the slots

[upper rose]

i have done that several times before

it shows up as 32gb but doesn't use it

[grizzled bloom]

If it was a weird edition like home N or something it could limit it but pro is fine

[upper rose]

ye

[grizzled bloom]

What do you mean by it doesn't use it though? Most of the time you won't get near that much usage

[upper rose]

it claims the latter half is unavailble

[naive pendant]

what platform are you on

[upper rose]

windows 10

[naive pendant]

oh nvm

[upper rose]

no worries

[naive pendant]

scrolling up helps lol

[upper rose]

ye

i guess i dont need 32gb ram yet

but it'll be good for speedrunning my adobe work

[grizzled bloom]

Are you able to try running a linux os from a usb? That'll help troubleshoot if it's a windows problem or hardware problem

[finite elm]

....

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-m1-ultra-nearly-matches-amd-threadripper-3990x

Dude

That's insane

[grizzled bloom]

It's essentially a dual socket M1 so...

[finite elm]

Still though

Think it'll be cheaper than a threadripper workstation?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it is really impressive still, especially with the power efficiency of M1

[finite elm]

M1 ultra 🏅

[grizzled bloom]

TR5000 launched today so 3000 should dip a bit in price

Plus you can't do 2TB of RAM on M1

[finite elm]

Yea

[finite elm]

How many people actually need 2tb of ram though

[grizzled bloom]

How many actually need a threadripper?

[finite elm]

Good point

[cyan raft]

^

I want a threadripper but honestly I don’t need one

[finite elm]

Don't do it

Just get a 5950x

Or a 12900k

Or a 7950x when those launch in Q4 or whenever

[cyan raft]

I know I used to have a 5950x but the time saved with a threadripper would be really helpful

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah 5950X is hard to recommend rn, even with price drops

[finite elm]

I only recommend it if they already have AM4

[upper rose]

yeah i'll try a linux distro, considering i was distro hopping for a while anyway

[cyan raft]

Only parts of the actual workstation I have currently are the gpus

[finite elm]

12900k if you need it now. 7950x if you can wait

[cyan raft]

Still looking and planning every other part

[finite elm]

Oh wait, can apple use external GPU's? ;P could get a m1 ultra and use an external GPU

[cyan raft]

Only thing about 12th gen intel is I’m not sure how programs will react to big.Little

[grizzled bloom]

Nope*

[cyan raft]

Are there any problems with 12th gen intel not working well with some stuff?

[grizzled bloom]

Mostly scheduler hiccups. If you do a multi-threaded code compile for example it might glitch.

[finite elm]

Yeah, i looked into it. It'll recognize them but not use them. So it could be changed later on.

But people are doubtful that it will

[grizzled bloom]

You can on older mac devices but M1 is too new I think

[cyan raft]

Main reason I’m looking at threadrippers is the large core counts that would help with rendering a lot

[finite elm]

Is this like, exclusively a workstation or will you be gaming on it too?

[cyan raft]

Exclusively

Also kind of a gift for my dad once I go away to college since his PC is quite lacking

[finite elm]

Oh then yeah, when 3000 series price drops which it will in a month or two. You can get it then.

[cyan raft]

Any signs of when 5000 series TRs will drop?

[finite elm]

They just did

[cyan raft]

I know they got announced

[finite elm]

Oh wait yeah.

When they launch the rest of the 5000 series chips i think

5500x, 5600, 5700x, 5800x3d

[cyan raft]

Ahh ok, so I got some time to plan everything else in the build

I’m assuming I’m going to need a WRX80 board?

[grizzled bloom]

They're officially launched for OEMs right now

[finite elm]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

Open market/secondhand resellers should be soon

They never "officially" released the 3000 pro series to the open market but they did eventually get sold separate

[cyan raft]

Didn’t know that one

[finite elm]

3970x price dropped already

1500$ on eBay. 32 cores.

Well some are available for that price already anyway

[cyan raft]

What about a PSU for this build? I’m going to need something to power 2 3090s and probably the 5990x if I can get my hands on it

I’m looking at 5000 series because I have the money to spend and it’s also partly a gift

[finite elm]

Thats a lot of money. What kinda work does your dad do?

[cyan raft]

Same thing I am, CAD and heavy rendering

Main programs I use are Rhino 7, Catia and VRays with occasional ZBrush here and there

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LbtWGX/evga-power-supply-220p21600x1

[cyan raft]

Zbrush isn’t that demanding tho

He works for a jewelry design firm

[finite elm]

Which threadripper are you hoping to get? 5970x? (32c/64t)? I can't see you needing more than that and even that is a lot of extra cores.

[cyan raft]

That’s probably what I’m going to do unless I specifically find a deal or something on a higher end TR

But yeah I’m thinking the 5970x is the way to go

I’m assuming it will be around 3k like the 3970x was on release?

[cyan raft]

Thanks, I’m saving that link

[grizzled bloom]

Just note that the model is technically out of production, so there won't be any restocks

[finite elm]

0.0 eBay shopping time

[wise lava]

Guys a 5950x is on sale for 550$ plus tax. Is it worth it?

[cerulean wadi]

3x price of a 5600x & about 2x price of 5800x, so if you mostly just game, no.

[long geyser]

12900K is $500 also at MC, or $480 with mobo

If MC not near you, price match at BB or smth

[finite elm]

Do you already have an am4 motherboard and do you need the cores?

[vast meadow]

Even then 12700k is like 350 which is

[scenic solar]

Can someone help me find some motherboards compatible with a Xeon E7-4860 v2
It says socket 2011 on Intel website but it is actually 2011-1 (which is obviously different).
Only AliExpress, eBay or amazon.it
(If it is possible find me a <60€ motherboard)

Even an ugly motherboard or big or small
(motherboard with 2 CPU would be appreciated "if possible")

[vast meadow]

60€ sounds very very optimistic but I'd try ask @naive pendant he loves xeons

[scenic solar]

I love xeons too

[grizzled bloom]

You need a C602J motherboard for that chip

[scenic solar]

That sounds expensive

How much for one

?

[grizzled bloom]

Like $300

[scenic solar]

A random one

Oh

Ufff

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, that's a server chip so it needs a server board

Looks like there's used ones in proprietary form factors for $150 on ebay

[naive pendant]

DID OSMEONE SAY SEOENS

[grizzled bloom]

Lol

[naive pendant]

im in class right now so i cant help, but feel free to me here or dm me in an hour or so @scenic solar

[grizzled bloom]

Trying to talk him out of an E7 it looks like

[naive pendant]

ill probably be back sooner tbh

i just realized my class just ended, but i need to go eat

[scenic solar]

👍

Tell me if you can find a MB compatible with an E5 Xeon socket 2011
(That's another option if you can't find a cheap MB for the E7)

[naive pendant]

@scenic solar So basically, those E7 xeons are practically out of reach unless you want to pay 300+ for a propriety OEM board. Those E7 xeons use a weird socket and chipset, LGA 2011-1 and c602j which yea, as far as im aware are only on those oem boards, so either you'd have to buy one standalone, or a server that uses one.

The E5 xeons are a much better option, I'll help you look for an x79. You're in the US right?

[scenic solar]

No, Italy

[naive pendant]

bruh

that should be fine i think

[scenic solar]

But you can find me something on eBay or AliExpress

[naive pendant]

do you guys have dummy expensive electronics import taxes or something

[scenic solar]

Yes
Expensive electronics

[naive pendant]

yea thats where i go, ebay mainly

[scenic solar]

But not on AliExpress

[naive pendant]

so aliexpress is a lot cheaper for you?

[scenic solar]

Yes, it takes a lot of time to ship but its ok

[naive pendant]

what other criteria do you have for the motherboard you want?

[scenic solar]

Also eBay is good but usually has 30+€ shipping

[naive pendant]

and have you picked out a cpu?

[scenic solar]

No

But I can choose between 20 different xeons

E5

[naive pendant]

so are you firm on x79 or would you consider x99?

[scenic solar]

Difference?

[naive pendant]

More cores, higher clockspeed, newer architecture (main benefit is having AVX2), ddr4 support (and ddr3 on some cpus)

also nvme on most boards

the only x79 boards that have m.2 are the chinese ones pretty much

[scenic solar]

I need to overclock the xeon

Ram for me is no difference

I can get/use both ddr3/4

m.2 not important

[naive pendant]

going with ddr3 can save quite a bit of money which is why i bring it up, here in the US at least, ecc ddr3 is dirt cheap

[scenic solar]

For server i'll use HDDs

[naive pendant]

alright sounds good

[scenic solar]

Ddr3 ok

I have so many pc/(modded)clients and I want space to save files

[naive pendant]

what about expansion? are you using an hba or something for those drives or did you wanna connect straight to the board

and pci-e slots

[scenic solar]

Uhh
Wait
I don't know what that is

Hba

[naive pendant]

like a sata or sas controller

[scenic solar]

Directly to MB

I think

[naive pendant]

just using the onboard would be a lot easier and more practical for a custom build

alright

[scenic solar]

I'll use a few 1-2TB HDDs

[naive pendant]

sounds good. also, how much do x99 boards usually cost on ebay? what about cpus

i have a few configs in mind but im not sure how much theyd cost for you

[scenic solar]

But isn't the price the same? (Shipping will be different)

[naive pendant]

I thought pricing would be different in italy compared to the US

This is a US link, but what does it say for you? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000120773162.html?

[scenic solar]

The cheapest is 94€

[scenic solar]

143€ for me

+4€ shipping

[naive pendant]

hmmmm

alright

[scenic solar]

I have a scheme with many E5 xeons with Italy prices (shipping included), I already know which ones are the most convenient ones

[naive pendant]

oh wait you said you needed the cpu to be unlocked right?

[scenic solar]

Yes

[naive pendant]

how much overclocking you gonna do

[scenic solar]

Because they usually have base 2.6GHz clock
3.4GHz can be better

[naive pendant]

it might be a bit of a waiting game for a good x99 board to come up for a good price on ebay

you'll have to go for a mainstream x99 board since very few of those chinese ones can overclock, and the few that do have modded bios's available, the boards are kinda crappy anyway.

[scenic solar]

Whatever you can find that is cheap and will let me overclock is good

Xeons give me headache with these sockets

[naive pendant]

alright. also how many cores do you want?

lol

[scenic solar]

Possibly more than 8

I found 10, 12, 15 cores for few bucks

Less than 60€

With also good max. clock

[naive pendant]

those ones arent unlocked

[scenic solar]

What

Why?

[naive pendant]

The only unlocked ones are the 1650v3 and higher

intel made them that way

[scenic solar]

Oooh

Ufff

[naive pendant]

unfortunately all the broadwell ones are locked too

[burnt spear]

Rev 3 1650

[naive pendant]

yes

[scenic solar]

Only V3 or v4 CPUs or like Xeon E5 2***?

[naive pendant]

the 26xx cpus are not unlocked

[scenic solar]

Ohh

Where can I see if they're unlocked?

[naive pendant]

some websites list info on cpus, and sometimes I just check HWbot to see if the cpu was overclocked lmao

[scenic solar]

I can add to my list the unlocked ones and choose from these

Ok

[naive pendant]

ooooo hold on i just remembered something

[scenic solar]

But they say they have max clock 3.4GHz (around that)

[naive pendant]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c-UyYACl4_bmsBb4CFp1RI0A1lkA2GJUjpwM7E9zbAE/edit#gid=508864787 here's a spreadsheet of almost every intel cpu one of my friends made

[scenic solar]

Shouldn't they be already unlocked?

[naive pendant]

which

Oh wait are you asking about turbo boost unlocking, or unlocked multipliers?

[scenic solar]

uhh

I mean
On the Intel website it says every Xeon has a boost clock
Shouldnt I be able to reach that overclock speed with any motherboard? (Unlocked motherboard)

[naive pendant]

practically any motherboard will let the cpu hit its max boost frequency

there are a few exceptions here and there with the really crappy chinese ones, but you dont need to worry about it

So you want to actually overclock the CPU right? Not do the haswell xeon turbo boost unlock bios mod? That's where you can apply the max boost frequency to every core on the E5 26XX v3 xeons

[scenic solar]

I want to get to the max frequency written on the Intel website

[naive pendant]

Alright, so turbo boost unlock then

Then yea, you can get a 26XX v3 chip

the chinese boards are back on the table then

[scenic solar]

Let's say I have (random example) E5 2650v2 and I want it to reach 3.4GHz (its maximum)

Nothing else

[naive pendant]

the 2650v2 is an ivybridge xeon, that would be on LGA2011, those cpus dont have the turbo boost unlock hack

[scenic solar]

Only that?
Or are there other CPUs I can overclock?

[naive pendant]

Yea the overclocking CPUs; the one with unlocked multipliers are the e5 16XX xeons

[scenic solar]

So unlocked multiplier= overclock?

[naive pendant]

yea

[scenic solar]

But how do I get to the max frequency of a Xeon if it is not E5 16xx

Just asking

[naive pendant]

turbo boost unlock

it's a bios mod you can do on a lot of the chinese x99 boards

miyconst has an application that makes it really easy to do

also, how much ram did you want? 32gb?

[scenic solar]

But why Intel says you can reach that speed if you actually can't unless using a bios hack?

[naive pendant]

it's because by default, it only reaches those speeds on one or two cores, not all of them

[scenic solar]

How much for a server/cloud/nas?

A good amount

[naive pendant]

well it depends on the use lol

32gb would be a good place to start

[scenic solar]

How much is 32gb
(Also used ones)

?

[naive pendant]

im searching

[scenic solar]

• do xeons heat up a lot?
  (Reply when you want)

Or is a basic cooler good
Like a Chinese one for 10€?

[burnt spear]

xeons get to 350 degrees celsius with a 580mm aio

[scenic solar]

Oh shoot

Uhh

[burnt spear]

joking

[scenic solar]

Obviously

But

[burnt spear]

i know f all about xeons

[scenic solar]

Actually how much?

[burnt spear]

im sure they get hot without a decent cooler

also depends on which xeon id assume

[scenic solar]

But air cooling is enough or do I need watercool?

[burnt spear]

id wait for fars input on that one

[scenic solar]

I know many servers only use air coolers (maybe they don't have many cores/ high frequencies)

[naive pendant]

So in the US, there's stuff like this for cheap: https://www.ebay.com/itm/373958057402?

Here are a couple listings I found in italy, not sure how great the pricing is though since im not used to it there.
https://www.ebay.it/itm/265577356485

https://www.ebay.it/itm/124089206114

[scenic solar]

They look good
70€

About 70

[naive pendant]

Both of those are 1333MT/s

Not sure on the timings but for your use-case I'd assume they wouldnt matter much

[scenic solar]

It's ok, many xeons have 1600mhz limit

Latency is not a problem

[naive pendant]

Alright, so because of the cost of x99 boards on ebay in italy, it seems aliexpress is your best option. The chinese boards I have in mind should work well for you too, lemme grab some links

[scenic solar]

Now the thing I want the most is the motherboard, I can check for cheap ddr3 ram on different Italian websites

👍 👍

Low battery
1%

[naive pendant]

oh lol

[scenic solar]

[naive pendant]

rest in peace brother

CPUS (both these support ddr3)
E5 2678v3https://www.ebay.it/itm/293571321615?
E5 2696v3 https://www.ebay.it/itm/353783534238?

Motherboards
X99-TF; This one has 4 DDR4 slots and 4 DDR3 slots, so it allows for some cpu upgrades but limits total capacity.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000120773162.html

X99-T8; This one is all DDR3 slots so you can have plenty of dimms, but of course you'll need to buy a new board if you upgrade to a cpu that only supports ddr4.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000878824725.html

They're both good chips, pricing is similar to in the US. It just depends on how much you'd like to spend. @scenic solar

What does aliexpress tell you in terms of pricing for those boards?

[wise lava]

I have a X570 and I just thinking of getting it to future proof my pc for a few years

[burnt spear]

the future will always catch up with you

5950x and 5900x game the same

also depends on what x570 you have

[wise lava]

The X570 E Asus strix version

[burnt spear]

looks like it would be alright with a 5950x, but still, unless youre doing a multi core work load id wait for the 5800x3d or get a 5900x

[vast meadow]

Wait for 5800x3d if you just game

Unless you do productivity stuff you'd be better with that

[wise lava]

Will they still support X570 boards?

[burnt spear]

5800x3d is still am4

[wise lava]

Will it be faster than 5900x and 5950x?

[burnt spear]

in gaming yes

[wise lava]

Alright then I’ll wait. You’ve convinced me

[burnt spear]

always happy to lend uzui a hand

[wise lava]

😂😂

Thank you

Was about to spend 550$

Had no clue about the new 5800x3D

[scenic solar]

Sorry, later I'll tell you, now I have to eat

[naive pendant]

no problem

[scenic solar]

30min

[agile jolt]

Should I look into a new cpu? I have a Ryzen 5 3500, I was thinking of either upgrading that or the GPU

But I'm not too sure which one would be the better choice

[dim cloak]

What gpu do you currently have and what task do you use your PC for

[vernal cosmos]

what gpu

[agile jolt]

1660 super

[dim cloak]

Would say a gpu upgrade would be more of a recommended choice then the cpu not to far behind

[burnt spear]

cpu fine for a 3080 at 1440p or 3070 at 1080p

[agile jolt]

Ah

I dunno what a good upgrade would be

The 2060 seems similar performance wise

[burnt spear]

it is

id aim for 3060 or higher

[agile jolt]

Will take alot of patience

Might try to get something like a 2070

[vast meadow]

Ehhhhhhhh it's got no ht which is sad, I'd say 3060 ti at 1440p

[burnt spear]

ohh i misread

i thought they said 3600

[agile jolt]

I'm still at 1080p lol

[burnt spear]

ignore what i said previously

[agile jolt]

Yeah I'm on a 3500

[burnt spear]

do you know what motherboard you have?

[agile jolt]

Its some amd pre build mobo

[burnt spear]

you can check in systeminfo

system information > components > baseboard product

[agile jolt]

Aight

[burnt spear]

ah, hp

[agile jolt]

Yeah

[burnt spear]

that makes it more difficult

[agile jolt]

Got it a year or two ago on sale

Only thing I could get

[burnt spear]

its unlikely a non oem card would fit in the case

and it wont support much of a cpu upgrade

[agile jolt]

I wanna bite the bullet and overall

Overhaul

But expensive

I did actually get a new card into it

Said 1660s

The pre-built came with a 1650s

[burnt spear]

then maybe a sff card would fit

or a 2 slot card

I wouldnt know for sure

[agile jolt]

I can try to get an image of the internals

[burnt spear]

i think that image caused me physical pain

whats the power supply

also if you havent already id change the ram

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Cf98TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-series-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-f4-3200c16d-16gvkb

[agile jolt]

I did

New ram

New card

More storage

[agile jolt]

Some 400watt power supply

AM4 mobo that's all I can get from the product page

Erica

Idk about the cooling situation

Highest I've seen the GPU get is 71 degrees

[burnt spear]

Plat

[agile jolt]

But it's also a single fan card

[burnt spear]

Odd

I wouldnt get a gpu that does over 180w, and even that'd be pushing it

[agile jolt]

I think you can swap a new psu into it if it's an HP

But then it's pushing it

I think the 1660s draws around 120

Might be wrong

I know the cpu draws 65 watts

I've really considered getting a new mobo, case and PSU and just moving the parts over for now

But idl

Idk

Only thing I need from a mobo is that is has a wifi card

I can't use ethernet

I'll do some looking on lunch break

[scenic solar]

1- 143€
2- 145€

It's been 30 long minutes sorry

A bit expensive

[naive pendant]

Yea it does seem pricey. Not sure if there are better options on ebay though in Italy. I think the cheapest board I saw that wasn't garbage was around 160

I guess we could check out X79, but to be honest I'd be hesitant to, it's already quite an old platform.

[scenic solar]

Tell me which motherboards I have to look for (just some information) so I can check on eBay or AliExpress

[naive pendant]

@scenic solar
Chinese boards:

X99 tf, t8
Jingsha d8 (Verify if this is the one that supports ddr3, I know they have one that does)

Mainstream boards:
There are a lot I'd list, and for your purpose most of them would be perfectly fine or better. Just send me any you're interested in so I can check them out

[scenic solar]

Ok

Let me see...

Jingsha d8 is 90€ + 40shipping but it has 2011-3 socket

No

Wait

That's the right socket..?

For E5 xeons

https://www.ebay.it/itm/393968038427

Ddr4 but it looks kinda bad

Cheap

[naive pendant]

That's the correct socket for v3 and v4 xeons, which are the ones you want

[scenic solar]

But ddr4 is expensive

[naive pendant]

Yea I'd avoid those combustion-prone boards

[scenic solar]

Ok, now I have the info to check for some motherboards, tomorrow (if I can) I'll make the scheme on excel with the best motherboards I can find
Now I'm too tired... Bye 👋

[grizzled bloom]

That thing has to be the smallest x99 board I've seen

[naive pendant]

I think it's a little larger than itx, and I've seen some itx x99 boards before

[grizzled bloom]

Looks slightly larger than micro based on the holes

But dang really? ITX X99?

[scenic solar]

It is micro

I have a micro itx and it's the same dimensions

[grizzled bloom]

I was just looking at that again and it is micro in height but looks like between itx and micro in width

[scenic solar]

It's like +1cm on the right

[grizzled bloom]

Only 2 holes horizontal

[scenic solar]

Im falling asleep
So.. ..bye...

[mild jackal]

haha what

[finite elm]

I use DDR still with DDR4 adapters cause I'm poor

[grizzled bloom]

Compared to ddr3 it is

[finite elm]

No

[grizzled bloom]

?
Ddr4 is twice as expensive for 16gb (2x8gb) as ddr3 on ebay

Especially rdimms for xeons

[naive pendant]

it is

ECC anyway

exhibit a: https://www.ebay.com/itm/373958057402?

lol

oh shoot did it just go down in price

holy crap i might buy that

i really dont need it though

[grizzled bloom]

Dang 1600 too

[naive pendant]

ikr

most of the ddr3 ecc stuff on ebay is crappy "dell t400" ram or whatever

[mild jackal]

D die too, not bad

[naive pendant]

god dang dont tempt me

@covert turtle

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-gif-14895670

[frosty depot]

Do it..

[naive pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/no-money-money-life-wallet-broke-gif-7513240

[naive pendant]

ew

[cerulean wadi]

reminds me of certain Trident Neo stuff. 🤮

[naive pendant]

lol

[vast meadow]

Bout the same price or more especially in the EU

[cerulean wadi]

Who's still buying ddr3 now? got plenty myself

[covert turtle]

?

[vernal cosmos]

You mean best looking wams?

[vast meadow]

I'd assume they mean the god awful trident z royals

[vernal cosmos]

The god awesome trident z royals

U mean

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

[dense frost]

give this man an internet

ugliest POS rams

[vast meadow]

He has royals style fans....

[dense frost]

I know. -1 internet from him

[cerulean wadi]

[vernal cosmos]

:(((

[scenic solar]

I'll tell you some of the processors I have on the list (V3 and v4 only) and you tell me if they are compatible:
2670v3
2660v3
2650v3
2640v3
(These are the best ones for price and core-GHz)

So v2 is not compatible...?

[naive pendant]

These will work

V2 xeons go on LGA2011, so no

V3 and v4 xeons go on 2011-3, that's the socket x99 boards use

[scenic solar]

The problem with socket 2011-1? The motherboards are too expensive...right?

Or they just don't offer many things

Like OC

[naive pendant]

They're OEM boards, and the e7 xeons need c602j chipset to work too I'm pretty sure

It's not worth trying to hassle with

[scenic solar]

Ok

[spiral fulcrum]

hey can someone recommend me a 2x16 GB 3200 MHz cl16 ram which syncs with aura sync or mystic light

it should have a chip like hynix c or samsung b die

I currently have 2x8 hynix c xpg d60g's but there is no stock for hynix c variant

[vast meadow]

samsung C die, not b die lol but you will want to match to hynix c die (CJR) to avoid hell

only way to tell afaik is go to a shop and check the sticker

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md#label-on-sticks

here is how you can tell

[spiral fulcrum]

I'll just buy new rams

I want suggestions for 2x16 3200 mhz cl16 which I will be able to OC to 3600

no need to pay for 3600

my current rams are 3200 mhz but they overclock to 3600 mhz cl16 with optimized subtimings with 1.37v

[vast meadow]

? What timinfs

[hollow thorn]

Also, I mean, 3600c16 will be better bin than 3200c16, like if you push 3200c16 cjr or smth to 3600c16, you can prob push the 3600c16 one to 3800c16 or more

[spiral fulcrum]

then I will need to up my FCLK frequency to 1900 mhz but I'm using r7 3800x

[hollow thorn]

I'm on 3800x w weird dr cjr at 3733

[hollow thorn]

Prob should get faw down

Rcdwr being lower than rcdrd doesn't do anything for performance afaik, even though you can get it stable pretty low

[spiral fulcrum]

yes thats also what I know

but some say that it makes a lot of difference which I didnt test

[hollow thorn]

Didn't give me any performance improvements w gb3 so I'm leaving them the same for stability reasons

[spiral fulcrum]

so if I buy another hynix c die ram will it perfectly match with my current rams?

[hollow thorn]

Nah, different bins can act differently

Pretty closely, probably, perfectly, nah

[spiral fulcrum]

ok I'm not doing that gamble then, can you suggest me a 2x16 kit

ddr4

I'll brb

[hollow thorn]

Ballistix for the rev e, smth else for b die

[vast meadow]

ooof thats pricey for 16gb

[hollow thorn]

Wait

Lmfao gimme a sec

[vast meadow]

ballistix is basically the only ram you can guarantee a 3200c16 kit will do 3600cl16