cpus-mobo-and-memory

[vernal cosmos]

No

I don think so

Should be a bios with zen 3 support tho at this point

[long yew]

if not

that board will likely have a feature where you can flash the BIOS to a new one with just a USB drive and power connected to the motherboard, I think ASUS calls it EZ flash

[vernal cosmos]

It doesn't iirc

[long yew]

I actually just finished a chat with asus customer support, was trying to find BIOS revision on my mobo without breaking the seal to ensure my CPU was compatible

basically I was given the impression it could be looked up via serial and part number, but that didn't happen, so I still had to open it

oh well

[vernal cosmos]

Theres a sticker

On the box

That says what gen its ready for

Bios wise

[long yew]

yeah, it says 10th gen intel, but there were certain exceptions if the mobo didn't run 1401 or newer

[vernal cosmos]

Oh intel

I see

[long yew]

not to rip on asus btw they're a great brand

[vernal cosmos]

Ehhh

[long yew]

lol

[vernal cosmos]

Asus qc isnt the best

[long yew]

people seem to have wildly different experiences with different brands

I've had awful luck with MSI yet ASUS stuff has been fine

[vernal cosmos]

I keep buying stuff from different brands lol

I have 3 pcs one gigabye amd, one asus intel and an msi intel

[long yew]

I just buy whatever looks good, no real brand loyalty

except that I probably wouldn't buy super cheap brands

[lime solar]

anyone know how to fix a cpu/dram debug led? im on an asrock b550m pro4, and have replaced both the cpu and ram, and even tried a new motherboard and nothing works

ive reset cmos, i called a technician and he said it was the cpu

the system powers on but doesnt post

at this point ive replaced everything in the system and im livid that it still doesnt work

[quartz oriole]

Yooo I just picked up a 5800x for $250

[burnt spear]

niceee

[keen surge]

A Ryzen 7 5800X with the 14-14-14-34 3600MHz RAM or 16-16-16-36 4000MHz RAM for video gaming?

[cursive epoch]

The 3600mhz will do better

4000 has a chance to not work with that cpu

Cause FCLK could run unsynced, which kills perf

[keen surge]

What could I reasonably expect for a performance increase upgrading to that from the Ryzen 5 3600 and 16-18-18-38 3200MHz RAM?

[cursive epoch]

It's quite a jump for sure

I forgot how much but it sure is gonna be at least 20% more

[limber dragon]

you'll only see a jump if you're cpu bound with the 3600

[cursive epoch]

but ^

[jade coral]

ello buv

bruv

not buv

idk what buv means

[keen surge]

I play X Rebirth, which is a heavily CPU intensive game, using at least one thread each for physics, AI, pathfinding, and rendering, in addition to the game engine letting the in-game AI and economy continue to run dynamically even when the player isn't in the zone to see it. Add to that the fact I modded X Rebirth to make use of HRTF Spatialized Audio. All the Ghost Recon games are multi-threaded, as is Deus Ex Mankind Divided. I'm noticing, however, that when running Deus Ex Mankind Divided, that there is more than 13GB of system RAM in use and nearly 7GB of VRAM in use, when I'm using the Very High graphics preset on 1440p resolution

[limber dragon]

just because a game uses multiple threads doesnt mean you're cpu bound

[keen surge]

Ah

[limber dragon]

if you're on anything lower than like a 1060/1070, then you wont notice a difference between a 3600 and a 5800x

[keen surge]

I use a Radeon RX 5500XT right now

The main reason I want to upgrade, is because I have only 1TB of space on the boot drive, and I'm running out of room. I have all my Steam games on a 4TB external USB HDD, and while that works, the games load uncomfortably slowly

[cerulean wadi]

I've seen this or a similar paragraph about 9 times now. 🤣 At 1440p, cpu upgrade wouldn't be too noticable imo, at least having the 3600 already.

[limber dragon]

hmmm yes, running out of storage, so you need a new cpu, makes sense

[keen surge]

Well, from what I read about the WD Black SN770, it uses the host RAM as cache, so that's the reason for wanting to upgrade the RAM, and some people in here have said the Ryzen 5 3600 is PCIe 3.0 only while the SN770 is PCIe 4.0, which is why I was looking to upgrade the CPU

[limber dragon]

||you can run a pcie4 device at pcie3||

[keen surge]

What's the point of having PCIe 4.0 if I don't use PCIe 4.0?

[limber dragon]

because you wont notice the difference

[keen surge]

Not currently, no, but there is this thing called future-proofing

[limber dragon]

then just get gen5 if you want to futureproof

[keen surge]

AMD doesn't offer Gen5 hardware yet, and I'm hesitant to use Intel/nVidia hardware because Linux

[limber dragon]

something tells me this will solve your entire issue https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX500-NAND-SATA-Internal/dp/B003J5JB12/

[tawdry prism]

I have some troubleshooting questions for my Z590-A mobo

I recently just built a new PC and everything else is fine

But my ethernet cable isn't being recognized

I installed the Intel PROset Adapter Configuration Utility

But no dice

There is no wifi card on the mobo

[grizzled bloom]

Which Z590-A exactly? Prime, strix, pro?

[tawdry prism]

Prime

Asus prime

I installed the most up to date Intel drivers

But my thinking from reading forums is that I might need to get a wifi usb?

So that I can force an update to get it to communicate with the ethernet port?

@grizzled bloom

[grizzled bloom]

If that driver doesn't work check your cables

Proset is for wireless btw

[tawdry prism]

Yea I got that

The asus installer doesn't do anything?

I turn on the application and it just goes straight to task manage

@grizzled bloom

[grizzled bloom]

In device manager, do you see the network adapter?

[tawdry prism]

Yes

It's like Intel ethernet controller or something

[grizzled bloom]

Ok. Right click that and update the driver. Point it manually at the extracted zip file.

[tawdry prism]

Like the driver folder?

Says the best driver is already installed

[grizzled bloom]

And you pointed it directly to the folder you extracted the zip to, including subfolders?

[tawdry prism]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

Well there's 2 options then besides the usb wireless you mentioned.
Uninstall the driver, and run the installer again.
Update your bios and see if that helps.

[tawdry prism]

Did the Uninstall already

And how would I update my bios?

[grizzled bloom]

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/BIOS/PRIME-Z590-A-ASUS-1202.ZIP

Extract that to a usb drive and update from within bios

[tawdry prism]

Does the drive have to be formatted?

USB drive

How do I update from with bios @grizzled bloom ?

[grizzled bloom]

Most bios want it to be fat32

Look for asus ez flash or something

[tawdry prism]

So do I just have to extract it on a fresh USB

And boot it from the bios menus?

Or do I have to do something from the extraction?

Okay I'm reading from the USB rn

Processing update area 5

Appreciate the help @grizzled bloom

Bios is updating

[grizzled bloom]

Ok glad you figured that out. I had to step away for a bit.

[tawdry prism]

Rip

Didn't work

Ethernet still not recognized

And your sure I don't need to like update windows?

Like this couldn't be a simple fix with windows update?

@grizzled bloom

[silent folio]

Hello, my PCIE retention switch has been damaged and it’s very hard to open it with my dark rock pro and gpu sandwiched in between each other. I’d like to use some nylon fishing line and tie it to the retention switch so I can hopefully pull it open. Has anyone done something similar? Would there be issues with the line melting?

[rocky beacon]

I don't believe it would melt but what do you mean pull it open? You usually have to push down on the retention switch

[silent folio]

I will test this, but my theory is that pulling on it from the right should open the switch. The red line below is an example, I pull the line to the right and I think it should open

[rocky beacon]

Ah, yeah

[celest ginkgo]

Ok yall. so i have a friend who is having some issues with a ryzen chip he just bought, and i've never owned an AMD chip so i can only offer so much assistance. All i really have to go off of right now, are these errors getting spit out be HWInfo, about one error every other minute. "processor core hardware error." Its his second kit of ram, still having similar issues between the two kits so i think we can rule that out. He was gonna start with some undervolting and see what happens. Hes getting barely over a 98 percent stability rate after a 40run loop of TimeSpy. Any suggestions or opinions would be greatly appreciated!

Im drawing a blank on some of the other ways the issue is presenting itself will provide some more detail shortly

Aside from some random blue screens ofc

[vernal cosmos]

what ram he got?

[celest ginkgo]

cl 16 3200. Hes been having random shutdowns and restarts. He did realize he had a standoff missing behind the mobo and one of the ram sticks wasnt seated all the way on the second kit but still having "core error" its a 5 3600

[mystic heath]

Hey! I have problems with my gaming pc. When I turn it on, it turns on everything except the processor fan light. And it doesn't reflect anything on the monitors. I already have a month with that problem and at the moment it is solved, but last night and today it has not wanted to work again. Can somebody help me?

[long yew]

if it's a system you built, make sure all of your parts and connectors are securely seated and connected

hopefully it's just that

[mystic heath]

Buy the assembled pc in the newegg app. And since I turned it on it has given me that problem but it always came back and tried and turned on normally. But yesterday and today I don't want to turn on normal.

I need to upload a photo so you can see how the pc looks when I turn it on. But will not let me

[long yew]

you can't upload the photo?

[mystic heath]

No. I don't have permission to do that. The + sign appears blocked

[cerulean wadi]

gotta chat a bit more in various thread before your name turns green and you can add pics. enter /rank in https://discord.com/channels/500085440221806603/598294676432486412 to check current lvl

[long yew]

ah, it's your user role - you haven't participated enough yet

maybe you can upload it somewhere else and link it here

[mystic heath]

Ok

[mystic heath]

Can I write to you dm so you can see the photo and explain it to me?

[long yew]

if I'm able to actually tell what's going on, sure

[cerulean wadi]

you can dm pic to BadSpoon & they could copy it here 😅 - build chat might be another option to ask in.

[long yew]

⬆️

[quartz oriole]

How much faster is a 5900x and a 5950x compared to a 5800x?

[burnt spear]

12700k is a better buy than 5900x and 5800x right now, unless you already have a b550

and 12600k is also better to buy than 5800x

https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i5-12600k-vs-amd-ryzen-7-5800x

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i7_12700k-2011-vs-amd_ryzen_9_5900x-1748

[quartz oriole]

I know Intel 12th gen is better

And I already have an x570

[burnt spear]

if youre looking for a comparison you can google "5800x vs 5900x" and click any link other than userbenchmark

which x570

[quartz oriole]

Asus tuf x570 plus

[burnt spear]

should be fine then

[cerulean wadi]

tbh nanoreview almost seems like userbenchmark....

[burnt spear]

is it?

[cerulean wadi]

yeah, but perhaps slightly better they actually mention cinebench scores at least.

!ubm

[devout moth]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[finite elm]

Lol, the 9350k go brrrrr

Actually, since my phone has active cooling, would i potentially get near AYN Odin performance on windows 11?

[dusk vessel]

Xmp 2 or 1

[sick ivy]

does the b550m-k have bluetooth capabilities

[half lava]

No

[exotic zealot]

is it worth upgrading from a i5 12600k to an i9 12900k?

[half lava]

If you’re doing a lot of multi core workloads then yes, for gaming not really. A 12600k can oc to stock 12900k fps

[sick ivy]

bro you fr?

[tall mica]

Is DDR4 3600 cl 18 bad?

[exotic zealot]

ah ty

[half lava]

Yes, you can use an add in card

[sick ivy]

what's that

[half lava]

Not necessarily bad but typically CL16 is preferred.

[tall mica]

Right bc it's tighter timings

But like .... I I'm not even over clocking will it matter to me ?

[half lava]

Something like these

[sick ivy]

are they easy to install

[half lava]

What’s your cpu?

[tall mica]

5900x

[half lava]

Yeah just slides in and 1 screw. You’ll have to install drivers for it

[half lava]

If you can afford it I’d get CL16 with Ryzen

[exotic zealot]

might buy these tbh

[half lava]

If not it’s fine. CPU intensive games can be 5% or more fps at 1080p

[half lava]

You have a micro center close?

[tall mica]

Damn I already bought it

[exotic zealot]

closest one is in denver

are thoes at better prices?

[half lava]

It was $499 at micro center

[exotic zealot]

oh damn

lemme see rq

[half lava]

It’s not a huge difference. You’ll still get good frames, cl 16 will just add a bit

[exotic zealot]

micro center has relatively the same price with memory

[tall mica]

👍 ok thanks dude

[half lava]

Np

[half lava]

If you can get it for $500 then sure but you’ll also want a hefty AIO for a 12900k

360-420mm range

[exotic zealot]

i already got an aio cooler lol

[half lava]

Yeah just making sure you know it’s gonna push a lot more wattage

The 12700k has been priced pretty well lately.

[burnt spear]

3600c16 isn't much more and is better, 3200c16 is a bit better than 3600c18 and costs about the same

Timings affect performance

[tall mica]

I already bought it tho

[burnt spear]

Whether or not you're ocing

Can you link it?

[tall mica]

Like ... link 2 different types of ram?

[burnt spear]

... the link to the kit you bought?

[tall mica]

Oh it's vengeance pro sl white DDR4 3600

I'll get the link

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SL 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4-28800) C18 1.35V Desktop Memory - White (CMH32GX4M2D3600C18W) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08SQRF8MJ/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_RVA98238KFFN1Z9HA15Y?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[burnt spear]

I would highly recommend canceling that order

Corsair ram is awful, you're lucky if it can run xmp

[tall mica]

It's....... I already have it

[burnt spear]

Rip

Not much you can do then

If it can run xmp, then whatever

It's not terrible

[half lava]

18-22-22-42 😬

[tall mica]

Yeah I kno

[burnt spear]

You'd shudder to see my old 3600c18 kit lol

[half lava]

Corsair isn’t all bad but yeah you gotta be careful what you get. I’ve got their 3600 cl14 and it works great

In the future look for Gskill

[burnt spear]

Random Hp kit of ram I bought for 40$ lol

Upgraded to 3200c16 32gb crucial kit for $90

Was gonna try to oc that kit but too good a deal to pass up

Outta curiosity

Can you tell the jedec first timing from that?

[half lava]

lol watched the latest jayz2cents video and guy said he had some Evga ram that wouldn’t even docp 😬

[burnt spear]

I sent it to my SO and their pc didn't agree with it at xmp

So they're running it at jedec

Still better than their 2400mhz 8gb kit

Oh wait

I can just Google the part number

[half lava]

It should show jdec on hwinfo64

[quartz oriole]

Ok stupid question but what do these numbers mean? I’ve seen numbers like this for ram before but idk what they mean

[half lava]

It’s latency timings, lower is better

[burnt spear]

They are not exactly "tech savvy", and live over 3 hours away

So I don't feel like making them do it just to sate my curiosity

[half lava]

I’d say the first 1333 timings

19 19 19 43

[burnt spear]

I believe those are the xmp timingsn

Wasnt sure if it would say it, because I see it says "jedec dimm label"

[half lava]

Xmp is the bottom 18-20-20-40

[burnt spear]

Ah

So the timings are worse on jedec?

Odd

[half lava]

But xmp is 3600, dropping to 2666 19-19-19-43 is pretty high

Yes because jdec is baseline before “overclock “

[burnt spear]

Yeah, rhe 3400g didn't like the ram

Windows bluescreened

[half lava]

Probably just because it’s 3600

[burnt spear]

Yep

[half lava]

3400g is built on the 2000 series die

[burnt spear]

I'm going to visit either April or this summer

[half lava]

I’d try ddr 3000 16-18-18-36

[burnt spear]

I'll either manually oc it to 3200(idk on the timings, as I said limited knowledge), or see if I can grab a diff cheap kit

[half lava]

I think it should run that

[burnt spear]

3200c22 desktop jedec kits exist right?

Or is that just a laptop thing

Next upgrade they need tho is a dgpu

[half lava]

Yeah you could do 3200 with some Ryzen 2000 depending on motherboard

[burnt spear]

Oh damn

I forgot to have them check psu

[burnt spear]

It is unfortunately an a320, but it does support 3200mhz ram

[half lava]

Motherboard is a big deal too with RAM

[burnt spear]

And bios let it go to 3600 with xmp

Which I found odd

But whatever, cpu didn't like it anyways

Aight, it's 12:40, I needa eat and then go to sleep I've got work tmrw

Ty for the help

[half lava]

I bet it would do those timings at 3200 16-18-18-36

[burnt spear]

I'm hoping to get them smthn around a 1650

Most likely a 75w card

[half lava]

If not either try timings at 3000 or try 3200 18-18-18-38

[burnt spear]

I need to have them check the psu, but I doubt it's over 350w

[burnt spear]

Will do

[half lava]

But it should work with one of those I think

Bed time for me, later!

[vernal cosmos]

That is jdec yes

[cursive epoch]

yep

and that's what oems uses for their machines

[tall mica]

It's your cas ras rdc and another I can drop you a link to a video that does a really good job explaining it all. And you're not dumb for not knowing it's..... like such extra and uneeedee knowledge

[vernal cosmos]

Tcl, trcdrd, trcdwr, trp and tras

[vast meadow]

Although in that format trcdrd and trcdwr are combined into 1 timing,also on Intel it's 1 timing but on amd it's separated

[vernal cosmos]

yeh

[long yew]

y'all think ddr4-3200 cl16 is good enough for zen 2?

[vast meadow]

Yes

3600mhz on zen 2 unless it's an apu is unlikely to work

[vernal cosmos]

zen 2 pato

[vast meadow]

Nvm i misread

3200cl16 is enough, 3600cl16 is preferred tho, but you shouldn't be buying zen 2 nowadays

[finite elm]

Fax

Unless an idiot sells a CPU for 50% the cost to get rid of it like i did for a 3900x

[vast meadow]

[long geyser]

I believe Sips mentioned that Zen+ IMC generally caps out at 1700MHz (3400MT/s mem) some days ago

But as with Zen2, Zen+ generally shouldnt be bought unless for a good used deal

Same with consumer Zen3 tbh

[grizzled bloom]

Can confirm zen+ tops out around 3400. With a good kit of memory you can still run really tight timings, though. Mine does 3200 straight 14s with minimal effort. Tightened everything.

[mild jackal]

It varies, with 2 ranks/channel, you might be very well under 3000mhz

[modern crystal]

hey.I wanna buy a new pair but i have to decide between ballistix rgb 32gb 3200 cl16 vs VENGEANCE RGB PRO 32gb 3200 cl16.

Which one do you recommend?

[grizzled bloom]

Crucial over corsair imo. Functionally they'll be identical with identical specs, but Crucial tends to have a better rma experience from what I've heard.

[vast meadow]

Ehh not necessarily, corsairs rgb lineup usually has worse timings like 16 20 20 40 instead of 16 18 18 38/36

[dull flint]

Ballistix stonks

[grizzled bloom]

That's what I meant about "with identical specs", if the timings are the same they're functionally identical.

I can see where the confusion could happen, should have been more clear

[hollow thorn]

Muh oc headroom though

[daring magnet]

How important is cas latency in terms of performance? How much faster for example would be 3200 cas16 to 3200 cas18 on two 8gb sticks?

Would it be more beneficial to go higher frequency higher ram on a cost to performance standard or lower latency and lower frequency?

[burnt spear]

3200c16> 3600c18

[daring magnet]

So lower latency is more beneficial than higher frequency?

Is this a standard or would this vary by manufacturer or so

[burnt spear]

Varies per speeds and timing

4000c18> 3600c16 if on intel

3600c16 best for casual use if on 12th gen or any amd cpu past 2000 series

[daring magnet]

In this scenario, ddr5 5600mhz cas36 would be more beneficial than ddr4 3600mhz cas 16 for 12th gen intel?

Or is the generation difference a bigger factor? Sorry for the repetitive questions btw

[burnt spear]

No

Ddr5 is a waste of money as of now

You're fine, dw about it

Sorry for odd response times, bad connection

[daring magnet]

You’re okay lol im the one asking for help take your time

Would early adopters of ddr5 get the benefits of the architecture improving on the sticks they bought or would they have to buy new sticks once ddr5 has had time to develop

Asking for… a friend :/

[burnt spear]

The ram you bought is the ram you bought

Advances in future ram won't change what you have

[vast meadow]

New sticks but the boards/memory controllers wouldn't be good enough to run faster speeds with tighter timings really so no point in getting ddr5 over good ddr4

[daring magnet]

I was hoping advances would somehow be software related xD

[burnt spear]

Unfortunately no

[daring magnet]

gotcha, I have a new build with an i9-12900k im waiting to build and a set of ddr5 and ddr4 (the specs i mentioned above). By your recommendations I should run 3600 cas 16? Same capacity

[burnt spear]

Depends on what mobo you bought

Motherboards determine what ram you can run

[vast meadow]

3600cl16 is usually the sweet spot yes

[burnt spear]

Some are ddr5, some are ddr4

[daring magnet]

i know that, guess I pulled the plug too early for ddr5 huh, oh well

The mobo i wanted only supported anyways so it do be what it be lol

[grizzled bloom]

At least that leaves you room to upgrade later. DDR4 is pretty much tapped out, but DDR5 has plenty of room to grow over the next couple years.

[daring magnet]

That’s fair

[delicate iris]

If a system is stable is it worth updating the chipset drivers for the mobo?

[grizzled bloom]

You don't need to update drivers for anything unless you're having problems or the new version has new features you want

[delicate iris]

I wonder if they would control anything with usb-c power delivery, ill have to check the amd website i guess

[grizzled bloom]

It's possible, but that's more likely hardware level

Or firmware/bios

[delicate iris]

yeah trying to get the oculus link to charge while playing is an absolute nightmare, my mobo is kinda cheap though so I guess thats another problem

[grizzled bloom]

I'm guessing your GPU doesn't have a USB port then

[delicate iris]

nope too old, rtx 2070

They say you can use a PCIe expansion card but its hard to find one that just has a single type-c port with external power

[grizzled bloom]

2070 had USB C on it, at least on most models

Which one did you have?

[delicate iris]

are we allowed to post links?

[grizzled bloom]

Sure

[delicate iris]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-2070-dual-rtx2070-o8g-mini/p/N82E16814126365?Item=N82E16814126365

[grizzled bloom]

Ah, yep the ones with DVI don't have the C port

[delicate iris]

not sure why they would even put DVI on such a recent card

[grizzled bloom]

Cheaper

Ones with the extra DP port have the USB port

[delicate iris]

maybe I can just sell my Rift S, PS4 Pro, and RTX 2070 and get a 3070 with a type c port on it

[grizzled bloom]

Watch out on that, they decided to remove the port from official spec so most 30 series cards don't have it

[delicate iris]

😦

[grizzled bloom]

They decided not enough people used it lol

[delicate iris]

lol the cheapest type c gpu is some anime version of the 6800xt

[grizzled bloom]

Which one, the Cute Pet?

That one's actually good lol

[delicate iris]

https://www.newegg.com/yeston-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx6800xt-16gd6-ya/p/27N-0042-00088?Description=type c graphics card&cm_re=type_c graphics card-_-9SIAZUEEWF9229-_-Product

yeston, never heard of it

kinda sad that it wouldnt look bad in my case

[burnt harness]

Anyone here using an i7-8700k in their Dell prebuilt?

[burnt harness]

I know I know pre-builts… LOL

[burnt spear]

8700k isnt purely from pre builts

its a good cpu

fine for up to a 3070 at 1080p

[burnt harness]

Oh I know. Lol. I’m in the minority I think by gaming on Dell prebuilts. Optiplex precision Inspiron

[burnt spear]

i have a dell laptop

dell wouldnt be my first choice but theres worse

[burnt harness]

I got on the Dell small form factor kick after being given an Optiplex 7020. I was like I can put a low profile gpu in here. Lol

And then it went to swapping motherboards between SFF and DT cases and MT after that

[quartz oriole]

Does it matter which m.2 slot I plug my ssd into? I have a 1 tb 980 pro and an Asus tuf x570 plus.

[cerulean wadi]

Top slot preferred

[keen surge]

Okay, so. Micro Center has a Ryzen 7 5800X on sale for $299. I plan on jumping on the opportunity. How much of a performance increase can I expect over a Ryzen 5 3600, with a Radeon RX 5500XT and DDR4 3200MHz c16 RAM?

[vast meadow]

Depends on what you do

[keen surge]

Mainly it will be for games like X Rebirth, Deus Ex Mankind DIvided, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, and the upcoming Elden Ring

[vast meadow]

You're probably gpu bound in those scenarios

[vernal cosmos]

next to none

since you play at 1440p

[keen surge]

Steam Forums have a lot of people saying that Deus Ex Mankind Divided is very CPU intensive and it is hurting performance

[vernal cosmos]

ur so ridiculously gpu bound its not even funny

[vernal cosmos]

at 1080p? sure

at 1440p on a card as weak as the 5500xt? Nah

ur gpu bound

like ive told you when you dmed me

multiple times

save up for a gpu upgrade

theres no real point upgrading ur cpu or ram unless the only 2 games u play are csgo and minecraft

[keen surge]

What have you heard about the upcoming Elden Ring?

[vernal cosmos]

I havent

but i dont need to to tell u ur going to be gpu bound in it

[keen surge]

Yeah, but it's also saying a Ryzen 5 3600X as the recommended CPU

[vast meadow]

Yeah you need a gpu upgrade if playing at 1440p

[vernal cosmos]

thats for 1080p

[vast meadow]

Recommended specs are just what they tested

[vernal cosmos]

save up for gpu upgrade

and the 3600 is not far off from a 3600x at all

[keen surge]

And for 1440p, the 3600 mated to a decent GPU would be more than enough?

[vernal cosmos]

yes

[vast meadow]

Yes

[vernal cosmos]

pato runs 1440p with a 3600

and a good gpu

[vast meadow]

Unless you're playing csgo or something then you'd be cpu bound

[vernal cosmos]

csgo and minecraft

[keen surge]

What about any of the Ghost Recon games?

[vernal cosmos]

GET

A

BETTER

GPU

A

CPU

UPGRADE

ISNT

GONNA

HELP

YOU

IN

ALMOST

ANY

GAME

AT

THE

RESOLUTION

YOU

PLAY

AT

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-for-coming-to-my-ted-talk-thank-you-for-coming-to-my-ted-thanks-for-coming-to-my-ted-gif-14267265

[quartz oriole]

Really? Because the bottom slot is the one with the heat sink

[vast meadow]

Yes top slot is the one that connects directly to the cpu and not through the chipset

[quartz oriole]

Well dang guess I have to get a heat sink now

[vast meadow]

Should be fine without one tbh

[quartz oriole]

Does the 980 pro not generate that much heat?

[hollow thorn]

If you write a lot to it, it can get pretty hot.

From Tom's hardware:

We threw a few hundred gigabytes of data onto the SSD, and temperatures rose to 85 degrees Celsius on the controller's surface after 350GB of writes. Meanwhile, the NAND and DRAM both peaked at 81 degrees Celsius.

[cerulean wadi]

Speed & 100+ GB write is what would make it warm. Basic airflow would help it quite a bit anyways. If you're compelled, sure get a cheapo heatsink for it. 👍

[vast meadow]

Okay 980 pro my b yeah might want a heatsink

[finite elm]

Lol @vernal cosmos you scared them off

[vernal cosmos]

they asked me this same question in my dms like 2 times

like dont ask me if you dont care about what i have to say and just waste my time you know

[finite elm]

Yeah 😌

[obtuse estuary]

Hello, I need some help.
So, I recently built my new pc and everything works. But for some reason my ram doesn't show up in Armoury Crate. It only shows up in iQue, but after a few seconds of opening iQue it tells me "not available". Does anyone have an idea on why that's happening?

Also, I have the Corsair Vengeance Pro.

[cerulean wadi]

Try openRGB. Armory crate is msi so of course it might not even support certain products.

[obtuse estuary]

Alright, I will. Thanks!

[vernal cosmos]

I wouldnt go recommending openrgb to msi board users btw and armory crate is asus

[obtuse estuary]

I have an Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

[cerulean wadi]

Gaining 100+ MHz & doubling my threads

[devout moth]

theGoose246#6700 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[vernal cosmos]

Just so you know @cerulean wadi openrgb support is touch and go for msi mobos and is known to brick the rgb controller on their boards. Id check if the specific board model is confirmed working before suggesting it to people.

for other mobo manufacturers its not an issue

just for msi

[vast meadow]

Try talking the ram out and putting it back in again, make sure they're in 2 & 4 from left to right

[obtuse estuary]

I already have, and I use 4 x 8gb sticks

[vernal cosmos]

well theres ur problem

[obtuse estuary]

lol

[cerulean wadi]

Oh crap. Gotcha. Well not crap if i wanted to permanently "disable" any rgb

[naive pendant]

😍

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-bender-whoa-whoa-futurama-awooga-gif-21438507

Live reaction of @naive pendant

[naive pendant]

factual

[cerulean wadi]

My 1st xeon & really interested in how much the HT helps. Gives me a big reason to repaste at least.

[naive pendant]

you should definitely get into ivybridge-ep and haswell-ep if you're into xeon stuff

those platforms are real fun

[obtuse estuary]

Well, I'm probably replacing those then. Does anyone know good white RAM? 3600mhz if possible

[vast meadow]

Ballistix

[naive pendant]

How much do you wanna spend

2x8gb I'm assuming?

[slate nebula]

hi i have a question for the community

i saw a ryzen 7 5800x vermeer for sale and just wondered what vermeer is i havent seen it when looking at other websites for the ryzen 7 5800x

[vast meadow]

Vermeer is just the architecture nickname, exactly same as the other ones you see

[slate nebula]

i see, thanks!

is $300 good for a ryzen 7 5800x

[vernal cosmos]

you have a compatible motherboard?

[slate nebula]

going to get one im building my pc sopm

[vernal cosmos]

id probably go 12600k then

with something like a z690 msi a pro ddr4

[slate nebula]

oh okay

cause i saw a ryzen 7 5800x on sale for 300

[quartz oriole]

Imo yes that is a good price. But Intel 12th gen is better than Ryzen 5000

[vernal cosmos]

eh the 12600k is 30$ less and beats it at pretty much everything

[slate nebula]

swaggy

i just dont know much about intel

[vernal cosmos]

wouldnt make general statements like that tbh

[slate nebula]

i havent really studied intel as heavily as ryzen

[quartz oriole]

I got my 5800x for $250, and honestly at that price it’s a much better value than intel 12th gen

[vernal cosmos]

theres nothing really to study

dw about it

just the way the cpu goes on is a little different

everything else is the same

[slate nebula]

not really like study but you know what i mean😅😅

[vernal cosmos]

amd has pins on the cpu

intel has pins on the board

[quartz oriole]

How much does a 12600k cost?

[slate nebula]

i see

[vernal cosmos]

280 on amazon rn

[slate nebula]

for me its 250

i can get either the 12600k or 5800x for 250

[vernal cosmos]

12600k

[slate nebula]

thanks

what is a good motherboard to pair with it?

[vernal cosmos]

@slate nebula

[vast meadow]

Only good if you have a ryzen cpu already you can pop in to mobo and go

[slate nebula]

thanks

[burnt spear]

first laptop with a remembrant cpu is on sale

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-advantage-edition-14-120hz-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-6900hs-16gb-memory-radeon-rx-6700s-1tb-ssd/6494638.p?skuId=6494638

[obtuse estuary]

Hmm doesn't matter tbh, also it should be 4x8gb

[burnt spear]

2x16 tends to be better than 4x8

[obtuse estuary]

Wait really? Like, I really want to fill my ram slots

[burnt spear]

more sticks more stress on the imc

[obtuse estuary]

ohh okay

[burnt spear]

especially if ocing ram, you want 2 sticks

[grizzled bloom]

They make dummy sticks with rgb to make it look full, without the strain of 4 sticks

[obtuse estuary]

Yeah I know, but I've only seen Corsair Vengeance ones.. and I want to avoid corsair

[grizzled bloom]

Gigabyte has some too

[obtuse estuary]

white ones?

[vast meadow]

Owo

[vast meadow]

The only reason to do that is if you're going 128gb

[burnt spear]

just gotta wait for the work focused laptops now

excited for those mainly

[vast meadow]

Yeah they look sick, that was a very silent launch

[burnt spear]

yeah

if they beat the 6500xt itll be hilarious

i doubt they wont

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Memory/AORUS-RGB-Memory-3200MHz--With-Demo-Kit#kf

They call it a "demo kit"

[vast meadow]

They're cool sticks but I've never seen them for retail

[quartz oriole]

Well poo I already bought 4x8gb sticks does that mean xmp will give me problems?

[burnt spear]

xmp prolly not unless its corsair

[quartz oriole]

Teamgroup t-force

[hollow thorn]

hopefully okay but who knows

[vast meadow]

If it's a 4x8gb kit, it should work as they're supposed to be tested to work together, if it's 2 2x8gb kits well then you're rolling the dice

[quartz oriole]

It’s 2 2x8gb kits

[hollow thorn]

As with any kits, there's also that 0.1% chance they just won't do xmp

who knows

[vast meadow]

But then they also might not be stable and or mixed ram chips

[vast meadow]

If you can, return for a 2x16 kit

Usually cheaper too

[naive pendant]

unless you're a chad like me and ocing on x99 or x299

💪

[naive pendant]

20% chance if its a corsair kit 🤓

[hollow thorn]

5% for team

[quartz oriole]

I cannot

[slate nebula]

what is a good mobo for the i7 12700k

[burnt spear]

msi z690-a ddr4

[slate nebula]

what is a good ram to pair with that, corsair or crucial

[burnt spear]

nearly anything but corsair

[slate nebula]

hm

is crucial good?>

[burnt spear]

yes

id recommend 3600c16

their 3200c16 is also very good, i wouldnt get anything lower tho

if youre spending the money on a 12700k id go for 3600c16

[slate nebula]

not the right channel for this but how much power do you think i'd need for a 12700k+3080ti

[burnt spear]

id say 850w minimum

depends on psu too

A tier 850 will be fine

actually

lemme double check 12700ks power

[slate nebula]

sounds good

[burnt spear]

should be fine but id ask someone else

if ocing id get 1000w tbh

[slate nebula]

i see

thank you

[grizzled bloom]

1000W to be safe I'd say. 3080ti likes to spike and trip protections. 850W is doable for gaming since it's unlikely the cpu will be full power.

[slate nebula]

actually what if i just had the 3080

[grizzled bloom]

Same deal

[slate nebula]

i see

what brands/things should i be looking for in a good psu

[grizzled bloom]

You'll want A tier https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[slate nebula]

thanks!

you guys are so helpful

[slate nebula]

one last question, what is the difference with single and multi rail?>

[grizzled bloom]

Nothing worth buying one over the other

They're basically the same but multi rail has more current measurement points so in extreme cases it can trigger protections faster

[slate nebula]

i see

thank you

[naive pendant]

Does soddim ddr5 exist?

Cause i need some for My laptop

[zinc aurora]

Yo guys,i need a good answer to this.Is ddr5 worth it now?If not,then when?And will it make a difference in gaming?

[main pulsar]

no and no

when? next year

[quartz oriole]

DDR5 is not only worse than DDR4 but also 5 times more expensive

[modest vapor]

Does anyone know a good mini itx board for a ryzen 5 3600x? im stuck between finding a good one. (for a second pc build)

[vast meadow]

Do you already have the cpu laying around? If not don't buy a 3600x for the awful prices they're listed but
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-itx-ax/p/N82E16813157949

[modest vapor]

im just looking for a decent price amd cpu to pair with a amd pro card

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MDcgj2

[modest vapor]

im looking for a amd cpu mainly tho.

since i might upgrade it later on

[vast meadow]

? Just get a higher end intel cpu to start off with then, 3600's go for like 300$ or something absurd

[modest vapor]

they go for $239 right now

if i was gonna get a $300 cpu i'd just go with a 5600x

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MsbDsX

[vast meadow]

That's still awful price

[modest vapor]

i was just looking for a mobo and thats it

since i didnt know what itx board i should get.

[vast meadow]

Alright if you wanna get a worse pc go ahead was just trying to get you a better one and save money

[burnt spear]

10400 slightly beats it and costs 150$

Or 12400f destroys it and costs 200$

[vast meadow]

Problem with that is lga 1700 itx boards

[dense frost]

no love for 11400?

[vast meadow]

Meh when it's 50$ more than the 10400 and they don't need igpu it's not worth it really

[dense frost]

11400F I mean

[vast meadow]

Same deal

[dense frost]

kk

[vast meadow]

It's like a 30$ diff for not much extra

At that stage if spending any more go 10700f or get the 2 extra cores, or 12400/600k(not for this case because itx lga board selection is garbo) imo

[dense frost]

gotcha

[cerulean wadi]

Microcenter prices are 11400 $150, 10700k is $200, 11700kf $250

[finite elm]

Get an itx board for intel instead

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MPG-B560I-Gaming-Motherboard/dp/B092HSSGDY @modest vapor then get an 11400 or 11600k.

[burnt spear]

10400 is not much worse than 11400, and costs like 50$ less rn

[finite elm]

are these motherboards unlocked when using 10th gen CPU's in terms of xmp? I know the H510 I got only supports 3200mhz ram with an 11th gen cpu.

[vast meadow]

Yes b560 is unlocked in general

[finite elm]

https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i5-11400-vs-intel-core-i5-10400

Wait not much better? O.o what are your criteria for "Much Better" ?

[hollow thorn]

Well, being <1% difference from averaged TPU testing perhaps

although tbf that's an early review iirc

[vast meadow]

Game bench's start around 9 mins
https://youtu.be/TyGFKCrnPM4

[finite elm]

By this graph the 10700k is better than any of the ryzen cpu's people have been pushing before 12th gen released.

so I don't think this graph really is a good guide

[hollow thorn]

Sure, 10700k was still competitive in general

[finite elm]

Competitive, yes. But its a whole percent above the 5950x. and the 9900k is above the 5950x

So if you want to go by that graph. Why have people here, been suggesting AMD before 12th gen came out.

[hollow thorn]

I mean, we were suggesting 10400 quite a lot pre-12th gen, and also, tpu runs slower mem

[finite elm]

so its skewed to intel.

so why use TPU

People stopped using Userbenchmark because of bias. but TPU is acceptable cause "Slow Memory"?

Look at a comparison that I sent where they used better memory. The 11400 is ~30% over the 10400.

[hollow thorn]

We're making a Intel to Intel comparison here, and they provide decent data still, you can see the same thing of Intel pulling ahead of zen 3 still in many benches

[finite elm]

well worth the 50$ more

[hollow thorn]

How do we know that's good data though?

[finite elm]

11th gen likes faster memory too.

[hollow thorn]

Yes, everything likes faster memory

TPU is weird, anandtech even worse with memory, whatever

[finite elm]

Accepting yours and just ignoring the fact that its already skewed in some way

is ridiculous

[hollow thorn]

oh wait not even

TPU uses weird ram

[vast meadow]

Look at the hw unboxed vid it's like 5%

[hollow thorn]

@finite elmI was thinking anandtech with 3200 jedec speeds, no, TPU uses too fast ram

[finite elm]

Imma go get that 10900k instead of my 5800x since its 3% better I guess....

[hollow thorn]

their comet lake setup

I mean, you could, 10900k does beat 5800x in some tests

[vast meadow]

The way they don't use common speed is wack

[hollow thorn]

yea they use wack ram

either way, ignore TPU for making cross platform comparisons

[vast meadow]

Like they're using 3800 g2 over 3733 g1?

[hollow thorn]

Passmark is biased too, favoring Ryzen over Intel

[finite elm]

@modest vapor what is your second PC for?

[hollow thorn]

But Passmark doesn't make crazy claims like UB does

[vast meadow]

They clearly didn't want help anyway lol just looking for what exactly they asked for

[hollow thorn]

There's nuisance to everything, slightly different setup in a slightly different bench can give you wildly different results

[finite elm]

Nuance

[hollow thorn]

at this point its all nuisances tbh

[dull flint]

Hey need some help, is this damaged?

It's like a white powder, I booted into windows twice

[hollow thorn]

Thermal paste? Not damage, you can just clean it off with isopropyl alcohol

[dull flint]

Then suddenly no memory qcode on boot

Could I be stupid and it just be paste?

[hollow thorn]

oh and I think that TPU review was before they got their 3080

[dull flint]

I would enjoy being stupid lol

[finite elm]

we all make that mistake @dull flint

[hollow thorn]

@finite elm this is the TPU review on 12400, after they slapped in a 3080

11400 and 10400 still close together

[dull flint]

It's like a powder tho, it's fresh NTH2 on the CPU

[hollow thorn]

Gaming of course

[dull flint]

That possible?

[hollow thorn]

Look around, maybe you screwed into something and it came out

While mounting cooler if you stripped the screw or smth like that

[finite elm]

When are AMD prices gonna drop already.

sick of intel being the budget option with not-so-budget boards

[hollow thorn]

Unfortunately they aren't targeting the budget market nowadays :(

I don't see zen3d being cheaper than zen 3, so we'll have to wait for at least zen 4

[finite elm]

Zen 3d is just the 5800x huh?

or did they confirm more?

[hollow thorn]

5800x3d or whatever

[finite elm]

thought so

[hollow thorn]

That's the only part we know

[finite elm]

I think I'll keep my gaming PC up to date. but not my workstation. the 5950x and 3090 should last me a while on that end I think.

[vast meadow]

Highly doubt we will get a 5600x3d, cache is expensive

[hollow thorn]

I think we might get a 350$ 5600x3d

[finite elm]

5800x and a 3080 ti would last me too, but I like building PC's so its a win win. if I can get them of course.

5350Gx3d

[hollow thorn]

prob just 5350g3d

[vast meadow]

It would have to hardcore whooop the 12600k

[hollow thorn]

That name looks horrible though

If it was to be competitive, yea

whoop 5600x to be able to compete with 12600k

AMD really needs to drop prices imo

[vast meadow]

Yeah definitely

[hollow thorn]

Intel did a great move dropping 10th gen prices when zen 3 came

[vast meadow]

They cannot compete with a 350$ 6 core when the 12600k is 290

Especially now that b660 is out

[hollow thorn]

AMD needs to drop Zen 3 prices to compete with 12th gen, I'm guessing they just didn't want to admit it, and will use Zen 3d as an excuse

dunno, they need to drop prices a bit to be able to compete with 12th gen atm

[finite elm]

and then the used amd market is also awful.

[vast meadow]

Yeah definitely

[finite elm]

so for budget intel is the only choice

could anyone have ever predicted that AMD would essentially quit the budget market?

[solar seal]

Is it safe to use black electrical tape around the cpu dye? I lost the kapton tape for the cpu

[grizzled bloom]

Any non-conductive tape should work. Kapton just happens to work best because it's more rigid.

[cerulean wadi]

Possible problem with some electrical tape is how gooey the sticky side gets(especially when it gets hot). Perhaps nothing a lil isopropyl alcohol can fix later

[slate nebula]

is the 12700kf better than the 12700k

[grizzled bloom]

Functionally they're the same, just the F doesn't have integrated graphics

[slate nebula]

so they have basically the same performance

[cursive epoch]

identical, pretty much

[slate nebula]

swag

[quartz oriole]

What does the k mean

[hollow thorn]

overclockable

[slate nebula]

I am going to buy my cpu tomorrow

the 12700k

is the z690 a pro ddr4 the best mobo to pair with it or is there a better mobo i can get in the $200-250 range

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that'll work well

[slate nebula]

thanks

[shy wyvern]

anyone have the memtest anta extreme instructions to give to a friend cause I'm lazy?

[grizzled bloom]

Open program
Click load profile
Choose profile
Restart program

Then you wait

[quartz oriole]

My friend is having an issue and we are both at a loss

He just recently upgraded and bought an msi z490-a pro and an Intel i7 10700k

And when he tried to boot it just went straight to bios and would not load windows

He checked every connection dozens of times and spent pretty much all day taking it apart and putting it back together in case he did something wrong and nothing worked

And now his monitor isn’t receiving a signal

[dull flint]

If a ram stick doesn't post at all but the other one of the same kit does, it's most likely the ram stick yeah?
I need a sanity check lol

[cerulean wadi]

It's funny how in some ways or situations, a single sus ram stick is easy to find when there's 4 ram slots to check & especially if you have another stick that's definitely working. Perhaps could try jedec speeds to see if ram can at least do that.

[shy wyvern]

ah

nvm we figured it out

the trident z kit he has literally doesn't support xmp profile it can't run

it's only 2 stick of 3600 C16 and it literally won't run

but if we lower it to non xmp it works fine

[dull flint]

Yeah tried it. It didn't want to do that. It was making the unify x post at like, CSM DDR5-3000 (no, not 6000/2, lol)

Cheers btw. Guess I'm getting new sticks lol

[naive pendant]

[vast meadow]

Have you tried checking boot order in bios

Assuming there is actually windows installed on the ssd

[vast meadow]

Probably just need to adjust vsoc if on amd/ io/sa voltages if intel

[shy wyvern]

Intel, can you do that on h670 chipsets?

[vast meadow]

Yes

You can ram oc/tune with any intel chipset after b560/h570 that's not the hx10 skew

[golden pike]

hey patoo

im back :^)

oops nvm ill be in #old-cooling

[quartz oriole]

Doesn’t do anything

Windows on his pc is actually installed on a hdd

And it’s priority 1 in the boot list and Windows still won’t load

[dull flint]

New question, if my original case of one faulty ram stick, is now showing up as two faulty ram sticks, is this also potentially a cpu fault? Terrible imc?
Or could this be the mobo?

My CPU was fine with two, then suddenly one, now it's struggling to post even with one

I've only made it to windows a handful of times

[dull flint]

CSM now at 2400

[half lava]

Latest bios?

[dull flint]

Tried a few bios' now. I'm actually wondering now if it's the mount so I'm gonna retry that again tonight

[cursive epoch]

It's pretty rare for cpu to go bad that way

I'm certain it could be ram

[grizzled bloom]

That's the most likely thing here. CPUs have some of the lowest failure rates in PCs.

[cursive epoch]

ya

[dull flint]

Both sticks though?

I've already submitted a warranty claim for them so I can swap them still, but I couldn't help but start wondering after it was happening to both sticks

[wind bloom]

Should I get the MSI pro b660 ?

[vast meadow]

Depends for how much

[small pawn]

I found a place offering the MSI B560 Torpedo for $134 after shipping. I have an I7-11700F, full atx case and a bunch of older ram kits lying around. Looks like a blue themed build is coming together.

[small pawn]

It's never the CPU - until it is. 😄

[alpine ingot]

cooler: lian li galahad 360
cpu: ryzen 5800x

I cannot get the temperature down on this stupid CPU. I've turned PBO off, tried undervolting, remounted the cooler 6x over the past year, and it is still ridiculously high for no discernable reason. it's idling at 75 as I write this with discord, chrome, and hwinfo64 open. it randomly spikes to 85-90C . I'm losing my mind over here. any ideas?

[cursive epoch]

What case do you have?

If the case is good it could be bad mount

[smoky widget]

I think there bad airflow or bad mounting. Can you share a picture of your case.

[cursive epoch]

Or that you didn't peel plastic cover off of the cooler

[alpine ingot]

peeled the plastic off, and like I said I've remounted it six times

probably more

corsair 5000x is the case

[cursive epoch]

Hm

[alpine ingot]

radiator exhausts out the top of the case

[cursive epoch]

Is pump working?

[alpine ingot]

says 3400 RPM in bios

[cursive epoch]

That's still mounting issue tbh

You gotta make sure it's right

[alpine ingot]

okay then what do you suggest I do

there are times when it idles at 56, but hardly ever

and like I said

I've done it PLENTY

I repaste it each time

[cursive epoch]

How did you mount it?

It has to be screwed in equally

And used with right bracket

[alpine ingot]

it's the two point mounting system that uses the AMD backplate

I understand how to mount a cpu cooler lmao

[cursive epoch]

This is weird

[alpine ingot]

if it were a problem with the mounting, the temps wouldn't go as low as 56C

[cursive epoch]

Maybe return the aio

It's not normal

[alpine ingot]

might be too late

I'll check

[limber dragon]

that's normal for boosting purposes, 5800x is a heat dense cpu, where if you dont LM or custom loop it, seeing spikes into the 80s doing light stuff is 100% normal

5800x on a custom loop

[tawdry crag]

When is 7000 series

[vast meadow]

Make sure your pump is always at 100%

[vast meadow]

Q3 ish

[alpine ingot]

liquid metal?

also like once a month it'll hit 90C and then just stay there regardless of what I'm doing

but the jumps to 85 aren't even light load, it's virtually idle

[vast meadow]

Nah it shouldn't be idling around 75c if unless they live in a dessert

[alpine ingot]

ambient was about 29C

[vast meadow]

If you open task manager, what cpu % is being used

[alpine ingot]

while it was fluctuating from 4-11% util, it stayed at or above 82C

[vast meadow]

That's odd not like your cpu is being heavily used

[dull flint]

Ok update, one stick now totally dead. System doesn't even try to post anymore, stuck on E0 code. Other stick won't boot past 2800MT even on it's own.
Remounting did help for a bit (I was able to boot two sticks for a while) but it's either the board or the cpu causing this. I'm really convinced of that. One stick could do XMP, two posts later, it's totally dead.

[cursive epoch]

CPU isn't likely tho

It could just be mobo or ram

Cause like I said, CPU rarely fails

[dull flint]

Idk, I'm unsure of the whole thing

I'm at least glad everything else is working fine (parts from a previous build)

[vast meadow]

The only way it would be cpu probably would be a bent pin

[grizzled bloom]

Start with the most likely thing and work your way down the list of possibilities.
In this case start with rma on memory, then motherboard if the new kit doesn't work.

[viscid walrus]

Can my Gigabyte B560 DS3H (ATX Motherboard) fit a i7?

[vast meadow]

Depends on the i7 but you shouldnt buy it, what's your budget and country

And for what use?

[viscid walrus]

@vast meadow its for streaming & gaming. I honestly don't have a budget its just whatever works best. I'm in the us.

[vast meadow]

Id do this instead
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CjQWXy

[viscid walrus]

@vast meadow Will look into it! thanks!

[vast meadow]

Np

[vernal cosmos]

hmmmm 5800x 3d launch very soon

[vast meadow]

They better hurry

[limber dragon]

they do that ~2-3 months in advanced lmao

[hoary echo]

Is it normal for a gaming laptop to run at 80c when I have 2 excel 1 chrome and 1 word instances open

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on the laptop

[wise quest]

Okay. I’d like some approximate values on two computers.

My mom has an HP Z420 workstation pc with an Intel Xeon E5-1620 0 @ 3 60GHz (4c, 8t), and 16 GB of ECC ram (8 sticks of 2gb each).

I have a dell optiplex 5060 micro with an intel i5 8500T and 16 GB ddr4.

I want to trade her my micro pc for her big one. She likes this idea because it’ll take up less space. All she uses her computer for is web browsing and occasionally word processing with libreoffice.

If we swapped, how much should I pay her to make it about even?

[limber dragon]

why are you wanting to trade an 8th gen (granted low power) for a 2nd gen?

that's like a massive downgrade

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/64621/intel-xeon-processor-e51620-10m-cache-3-60-ghz-0-0-gts-intel-qpi.html sandy bridge xeon

[wise quest]

I want to make a nas. The optiplex doesn’t have any sata ports or a real psu.

Actually it’s a nas/server. I’m gonna run plex and a mumble server as well.

And it has pcie slots

[hoary echo]

anyone have any idea why its doing this?

[grizzled bloom]

I know those Z420s go for around $150-200 without storage. With 16gb ram you're closer to $200.

I got mine with an e5 1650 for $100 from my neighbor. No memory though, had to buy some.

[polar moth]

I'm only after this because non RGB aesthics is so beautiful on this RAM but uh I've never heard of Astra Gear till I discovered this awhile back.

And it's 4.5 stars so it can be a hit and miss based on recent reviews, has anyone used this RAM?

[naive pendant]

link? also are you in the us

[polar moth]

Yeah I am in US

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CMNLBQY/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_CKBDXE7GNGTAGKKHBMN2

[naive pendant]

You might want to consider this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N3W1T21/

There's definitley cheaper options by around 10-15 bucks that probably arent complete junk, but yea

[polar moth]

Hm not bad but I'm running a Intel cpu so Mhz speed is probably not relevant

[naive pendant]

memory frequency is relevant regardless of whether or not it's amd or intel

[polar moth]

But then ASTRA gear still has cool looks.

Amazon has returns so well. Still thinking.

[naive pendant]

yea it does look pretty neat, and might be the only kit in existance that would match the color scheme of a noctua cooler lmao

[polar moth]

haha, noctuna is brown tho lol

[naive pendant]

yea that kit is a brownish color too

[wise quest]

Thanks! This one is a nice machine. The cooling anyways. probably necessary for a workstation

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah they come with the memory fan and all that. Very helpful when you're running workstation and server stuff.

[long yew]

can you soak a cpu in 99 isopropyl

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah but we have an approx date now

[limber dragon]

You mean how they announced the quarter it was launching in, and now we know its about a quarter out

[quartz oriole]

Question, I have 32 gb (4x8) ddr4 T-Force Delta R ram, is it safe to do xmp? They came in 2 packs of 2

[vast meadow]

Price isn't terrible but 3000mhz cl16 in 2022 is sad to buy new

[vast meadow]

Tis more purpleish mate ngl

[vast meadow]

Possible, especially depending on the timings, but best best is to run test mem 5 extreme anta profile

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

[naive pendant]

🤨 🤨 🤓

[frosty depot]

So I've seen 3 different ways to apply thermal paste.

1. A dot in the middle and then just put heatsink on.

2. Make an × or + then put heatsink on.

3. Put a good size dot in middle then use a small spatula to evenly spread it across the whole surface, then put heatsink on.

Which one is most recommended? Is there another way that is more efficient than any I've seen so far?

[vast meadow]

2 or 3 work

[main pulsar]

dot in the middle is more efficient, but its easier to mess up the spread depending on how you mount the cooler

2 is the most convenient imo

[finite elm]

The Arctic Freezer II 360mm barely fit in my case 😂 was a tight fit on the front. but that means my tubes had to be on top.

Might get a new case.

[burnt spear]

do aios need a mesh part where its intaking/pushing out air?

if so i think id barely fit a 280 in mine

and thats if i remove the hard drive bay

[finite elm]

What case do you have?

[burnt spear]

coolermaster n400, unfortunately

mid tier case and way overpaid for it

[finite elm]

Nah you can't fit a 280mm AIO in there

[burnt spear]

yeah just realized

the usb cables and everything wouuld be in the way, right?

maybe a 240 on top, since theres room for two 120s up there

[finite elm]

240mm AIO on the top, front, or right side. 120mm on the rear or left side.

you could do a 480mm custom loop with 2x240mm radiators then. ;P

[burnt spear]

lol

[fair oyster]

hello, im looking for an AMD ryzen 5 budget motherboard

[burnt spear]

just post the link you have and ask if its fine for a 5600x

[fair oyster]

https://www.newegg.com/global/om-en/msi-mpg-x570-gaming-edge-wifi/p/N82E16813144319?Item=N82E16813144319&quicklink=true

"is this fine for a 5600x"

[quartz oriole]

Yes that looks like a good board

And by this point all the x570 boards should be flashed to work with Ryzen 5000

[vast meadow]

@fair oyster since you're in Oman I'd do
https://www.newegg.com/global/om-en/gigabyte-b550m-aorus-elite/p/1HD-0002-000H7?itemPosition=1-12&exactIndex=7

[grizzled bloom]

B550 is better than X570 in most cases, and that aorus elite is one of the better models too

[fair oyster]

what does this have to do with Oman

[devout moth]

OnBU#2855 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[fair oyster]

the shipping is still bad

[quartz oriole]

Wait how is the b550 better?

[vast meadow]

Best priced board in oman

[grizzled bloom]

Newer VRM design, doesn't need a chipset fan

The only people that need X570 are the ones that are doing multiple GPUs or multiple pcie 4.0 nvme drives. Very, very few people actually need or will use those. 3.0 is still great for every game in existence unless you're looking at the ps5.

Oh and hardware raid, but the amd raid driver kinda sucks

[mild jackal]

"hardware" raid, lol, yeah, no

If anything, stripe the volume in windows

[wheat salmon]

it came out later, so more of the B550 boards have 2.5GBE for example

and wifi 6 for example

[naive pendant]

have a proper raid controller is better than raid through an OS, or are you saying that the board doesnt actually have "hardware raid"

[mild jackal]

The board doesn't have any legitimate hardware raid, no

Hardware raid controllers are kinda a thing of the past

[naive pendant]

lol, msi marketing at work

i bet they have a 20 phase vrm too

[quartz oriole]

Yo is there a way to have 9 argb fans plus an argb aio pump even tho I only have 1 argb header?

[timid sundial]

Oh god what’s so special about the threadripper that it costs so much

[quartz oriole]

Um

It’s a threadripper

[timid sundial]

Meaning?

[quartz oriole]

It has 32-64 cores

Ryzen 9 5950x has 16

And that’s a $600 cpu

[timid sundial]

Does it have a screen
Looks like it has a screen

[quartz oriole]

What

It’s a cpu

Just bigger and beefier than the normal Ryzen chips

No screen

[timid sundial]

Is there any special difference between the 11th and 12th gen i7s

[quartz oriole]

12th gen had a pretty significant performance boost

[main pulsar]

12400 > 11900k

imo

unless you really need more threads

most people dont

[burnt spear]

it is a very high end cpu for workstations

12400f=5600x/11600k/10700k, 12600k=5800x, 12700k=5900x, 12900k and 5950x trade blows but it just depends on price

for every other cpu though besides 5950x and 12900k, intel has better price/perf

[frosty depot]

So the user manual for the MSI Pro Z690-A mb says it only supports up to 3200mhz ram. So I would def not be able to use these right?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

[vernal cosmos]

you are looking ta the ddr4 version of the board right?

[frosty depot]

Yes

MSI Pro Z690-A WIFI DDR4

[vernal cosmos]

msi website

[frosty depot]

Not to sure what I'm seeing. What are the letters after the frequency?

Basically, I can just plug them in and set xmp and off i go?

[vernal cosmos]

yes

OC is freq with xmp on

jdec is freq with xmp off

[frosty depot]

Ok. I just wanted to make sure because I downloaded the manual off MSI website.

Oh ok

[vernal cosmos]

is the basic explanation

[frosty depot]

Thank you RAWR

[vernal cosmos]

np

[vast meadow]

Cores n pcie lanes

[mild jackal]

A 3990x is like 8 3800x's glued together, as a single, non-NUMA node too. And yeah, 72 pcie lanes + quad channel memory

The $4000 msrp is a lot, but you can save a lot on licensing, motherboards, NICs etc by running a single server instead of a few.

Also, pretty damn fun to overclock.

[naive pendant]

First gen thread ripper cpus don't cost that much. But from what I've heard the boards are crap, and imo the cpus aren't that great.... I'd just go x99 :)

[hollow thorn]

x299

[finite elm]

Rumored launch for Zen 3 Threadrippers this month

[finite elm]

you'd be better off going with a Ryzen 9 than a first gen threadripper.

except in terms of upgradeability because all threadrippers are on the same socket I guess. So you'd just have to get a new TR

[naive pendant]

im mainly just looking at it from a price to performance perspective

[finite elm]

Performance in what? Single core performance the first gen threadrippers are awful.

are you gaming or doing heavy tasks?

Gaming - 12400f + DDR4 B660 Mobo

Heavy Tasks - Ryzen 5950x or 12900K I think including everything. will be matching in price or just about

Super Heavy Tasks - 10980XE or 3rd Gen threadripper( AFTER the Zen 3 threadrippers launch)

I'd expect 3rd gen threadrippers to get sold at a loss since they are fairly readily available so people/businesses replacing them have to undercut Microcenter and other places you can buy them.

[vernal cosmos]

i mean most heavy tasks should be fine with a 12700

super heavy task epyc 7763 or bust

[finite elm]

I guess by "Heavy Tasks" I mean tasks that will likely get you paid so you might as well us the job as a write off to offset the cost anyway.

[naive pendant]

yea, thats what i said

multi-core isnt necessarily all that impressive even compared to haswell and broadwell xeons either, not to mention lga2066

[vernal cosmos]

still

12700k is VERY capable

[naive pendant]

ngl i wish i still had my 2600

still a pretty decent cpu

[finite elm]

I'm not saying its not capable.

12700k -> 5950x is around the same multicore performance difference as 5900x -> 5950x. some are bigger gaps, some are smaller gaps.

While the 5900x and 12700k are capable. sometimes you would still want that extra boost.

[vernal cosmos]

they are more than enough for heavy intensive tasks

5950x or 12900k are very heavy tasks

[mild jackal]

1st and 2nd gen TR are awful QoL honestly, I'd really avoid buying that kind of system right now

[wise lava]

I’m a complete noob

But is a Ryzen 9 5950x compatible with a Asus Rog Strix X570 E mobo?

[half lava]

Yes

[burnt spear]

Unless you already have that motherboard I would not reccomend buying it

[wise lava]

I already have it

[wise lava]

But why wouldn’t you? What’s wrong about it

[cyan raft]

Better options for cheaper

Nothing bad about the board per se but most B550s have better VRMs than X570 boards

[quartz oriole]

I9 12900 is better than 5950x

[mild jackal]

The x570-E has a very robust VRM, honestly, there are very few x570 boards with a weak vrm.

Unless you have that 5950x on a custom loop, it won't matter

[cyan raft]

True true

[honest rock]

Does anyone know where I can get an MSI PCI-E retention clip? One of mine (on a brand new motherboard) snapped and MSI is giving me the run-around.

[frosty depot]

Is the ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A wifi ddr4 worth the extra $100 over the MSI Pro Z690-A wifi ddr4?

It seems to me that the ASUS is able to fully utilize OC of the 12700k while the MSI will struggle with OC?

[dim cloak]

I have an msi board have no issues OCing

[frosty depot]

Whats your OC at?

[dim cloak]

I've hit 5.4ghz all p cores stable I can't remember the voltage off the top of my head

[quartz oriole]

Ok I think I won the silicon lottery with my 5800x

Says it’s base clock is 3.8 but the thing runs normally at around 4.5 and I’m not even ocing it

[finite elm]

That's a normal thing with PBO on

[quartz oriole]

Idek what pbo is

[cursive epoch]

PBO is like auto OC

Not like, it is

It works well tho, pushes the cpu as much as cooling and silicon could

Adjusts dynamically too, so there's no damage

[quartz oriole]

That’s awesome

[finite elm]

5800x gets hot though sadly. Dunno what it is with AMD's 8 core CPUs. Cause the 3700x was hot too, compared to the 3900x

[naive pendant]

I think it's because of their boosting behaviors

Im probably forgetting something else though

[quartz oriole]

I haven’t had issues

Under a load it stays below 60 C