cpus-mobo-and-memory

[finite elm]

true

[dim cloak]

All places near me have ballistix kits and they are the cheapest kits

[finite elm]

are there brands to avoid for memory? I've always just gone corsair, g.skillz or crucial. is silicon power geil or neo forza reliable? they would be 30$ cheaper about

[dim cloak]

Corsair

Corsair is just not worth it

[finite elm]

Corsair is finnnneee

[hollow thorn]

Corsair sucky

[hollow thorn]

Brand doesn't really matter, depends on the kit and die, but Corsair gets you a wide selection of random bargain bin dies where you don't know which bargain bin die you're getting because there's tons of versions of the same kit

[vast meadow]

@normal haven i believe this is for you?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KNdc68

[hollow thorn]

Sure g.skill isn't much better than Corsair on lower end kits, but at least you can say it's probably cjr instead of ???????

[vast meadow]

Btw mr11 the ram i put ins xmp was 16 18 18 36 instead of 38 have you seen that much before?

[hollow thorn]

Ye, but doesn't say too much about the kit

[vast meadow]

Was thinking it's worth the 2c more than the 38 lol

[hollow thorn]

Like 16-16-16-36 on 3600c16 means probably b die

But on 3200, doesn't really matter afaik

[vast meadow]

Yeah was just interesting as there was exact same kit but 38 instead at same price

[hollow thorn]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[cerulean wadi]

Ok who wants to say if I should return the 4000c18 g.skill for the $98 3200c16 Crucial? - Seems like it would be for lower stock voltage partly.

[burnt spear]

even with ocing im fairly sure the 4000 will be faster than the 3200

[vast meadow]

Ballistix

Seriously my 16gb kit of that can do this, not finished yet and only being held back my my imc/infinity fabric

That's not even latest yet but anyway

Also I'm limited on my mobo to 1.5v to the ram

[cerulean wadi]

Recall how good it did at 1.4ish? Hmm, I wonder how much being 16GB sticks would hold it back. Deffo on the fence doing the replacement though. ;)

[vast meadow]

Didn't do 1.4v, rev e is safe for daily up to 1.6v without a fan and doesn't care about heat so i just cranked it

[cerulean wadi]

That's quite impressive. Good to hear. If I returned gskill, would I have a wegg balance or should I just order the crucial first to not miss the sale?

[vast meadow]

Idk but I'd get the ballistix anyway as cheaper and you can lazy oc it pretty easy

[cerulean wadi]

Ah, 3600c15 at least should be cake. Alright thnx.

[vast meadow]

Am at 3600cl14 cuz ryzen but on intel that's not issue, you should be able to do 4000cl16 I'd imagine pretty easily

[cerulean wadi]

Good. Yeah, returning and rebuying is simple. Might as well. I know we trust ballistix a bit more than that ripjaws with fairly average specs. Great for plug n play, but that's boring. 👍

[open pewter]

I just upgraded to a newer CPU, I’d there anyone that can come on a voice chat to help me because it’s not giving my monitor a signal anymore

[dim cloak]

Well what cpu and motherboard do you have?

[dim cloak]

First need to check compatibility then we will work through the list

[open pewter]

I have an ASRock B450 Steel Legend ATX AM4 Motherboard, and a Ryzen AMD 3 1200

but I upgraded my CPU to an Ryzen AMD 5 5600g

[dim cloak]

You might need to do a bios flash update on the mobo

[open pewter]

Can you come on a call to teach me exactly how bc idk how to do that at all :’)

Or texting it is fine, it’s just idk if I can follow through this

[dim cloak]

You might need to ping a techie on how to bios flash as I am unfamiliar with doing so myself but also ensure there is some indication that the psu is on

[open pewter]

Oh gotchu thank you though! Ik it turns on cause fans spin and monitor also turns on but shuts off since there’s no signal

[dim cloak]

Yeah so might need a new bios update

[cerulean wadi]

Can even make it into current bios? Extra pc also helps big time because I'll I know is getting bios file onto a flash drive then plugging in and updating

[open pewter]

I’m confused because if I have the old CPU in and I download the most recent bios, shouldn’t it save onto my HDD

[open pewter]

or do I need a separate flash drive to do that

[cerulean wadi]

Well you could just save bios file to desktop or somewhere, but I'm just used to accessing it from a flash drive.

[dim cloak]

Separate flash drive

[open pewter]

Oh okok

[hollow thorn]

Don't try to bios update through software

do it through bios

[open pewter]

How does one do this :0

[hollow thorn]

iirc asrock is del to enter bios

[open pewter]

Delete + enter?

I shall try this

And can I do this with the new CPU in or the old one?

[dim cloak]

Do you have the new bios on the flash with the renamed bios file

Or does asrock not need that bios rename?

[open pewter]

I honestly have no clue

[hollow thorn]

With old CPU in, on boot, press del to enter bios

[hollow thorn]

Steel legend doesn't have bios flashback, will have to update bios from bios

And normal bios update doesn't need renaming, but you tend to need renaming for bios flashback

[dim cloak]

Oh ok

Yeah just not use to flashing a new bios

[heady spruce]

Upgrading to 32gb, wanted to know if i should go for 4x8gb or 2x16gb. Also should i go for a 3600 cl18 or a 3200 cl16

And what brand would be the most reliable, crucial gskill ripjaws or corsair?

[mild jackal]

What cpu/mobo?

You can't go wrong with the 2x16 crucial kit linked in #tech-deals

[devout moth]

Kellyisverycool#3625 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Kellyisverycool#3625 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[heady spruce]

11400f and b560

[heady spruce]

^

[mild jackal]

I think that crucial kit will suit you perfectly, again, assuming you want 32GB for <$100

You can tune some clocks/timings manually if you want to squeeze out a bit more performance, but it won't be terrible at XMP plug and play

[heady spruce]

Yeah theyre pretty good deals

Im getting a cl18 3600 for the same ish price

Dk if thats a better value

But i was thinking about whats better value, cl16 3600 for 150ish or cl18 3600 for 115ish or cl16 3200 for 115ish

[mild jackal]

It's not, but possibly better if you just want to run xmp out of the box depending on platform

[heady spruce]

Gotchu thanks man

[cerulean wadi]

Involves going into bios anyways yeah? I figure if someone can do that then they can at least up the ram multiplier a notch or 2 for their ez oc. (says me who's a ram noob).

[mild jackal]

yeah, that 3200c16 kit linked in #tech-deals will easily do 3600mhz with minimal tuning/stability testing.

[clever mango]

Bruh

Chill

[grizzled nacelle]

@vast meadow how do you know if a memory pairs well with mixed batches?

[vast meadow]

The only ones you can 100% rely on are when you look at the kits timings and it has to be samsung b die, which is stupid expensive for people who don't wanna ram oc

Ballistix too as they basically stick to one die per kit

[grizzled nacelle]

I don't understand. same timings and "has to be samsung b die" or Ballistix?

So basically 2 lines from two manufacturers with the same timings?

[vast meadow]

There are certain ram timings that can only be achieved by samsung b die because it's the best basically

[grizzled nacelle]

What is "Samsung b die"? I am familiar with what a die is, in terms of molding and manufacturing, but I am having trouble wrapping that concept around memory sticks.

I'm Googling now.

[vast meadow]

Samsung b die is one of samsungs ram IC's basically the little ram chips on the stick

[grizzled nacelle]

Well my RipJaws V aren't on that list.

[hollow thorn]

every model can have different die, for g.skill, look at 042 code to figure out what die it is

[grizzled nacelle]

So, my 042 code starts with 043 and says X8820C. It is 2x16 and reading the LTT write-up I am guessing the 88 is how they note 16GB? 20 is the manufacturer, but not Hynix (21) or Samsung (10) and C-die.

[hollow thorn]

8820C is 8Gb, 2 is Hynix, C means CJR

@grizzled nacelle bit from ddr4 oc guide on how to tell that

Dunno what LTT writeup you were reading

[hollow thorn]

Oc guide here
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md#label-on-sticks

[grizzled nacelle]

That's what I am seeing elsewhere, just snippits from that guide I guess. But these are 16GB sticks and they don't have "S", but an 8

[hollow thorn]

The 8Gb/16Gb are die densities, not how much capacity in the entire stick

[grizzled nacelle]

That is helpful.

They mention 043 here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/wiki/ram/ddr4#wiki_042.2Ft42.2F043.2Fetc._code_current_theory

[hollow thorn]

Ye, 043 prob just some varient we don't really know, but rest should apply about the die

[grizzled nacelle]

Hynix C-die

[hollow thorn]

Cjr

Hynix just calls it cjr, and it's also nice to differentiate between different dies, there's Samsung C die, Hynix CJR, Micron rev B, slightly different way of saying things

[grizzled nacelle]

So if I were to order a matching pair in a month or sometime, would there be a risk of them being different in a problematic way?

[cerulean wadi]

I'm betting same die. My 4000 for comparison as it's 042 vs 043. Look like they made it higher density. Is higher density outright worse for OC/tuning?

[hollow thorn]

Risk of them being different, yea, problematic way, eh, depends.

[hollow thorn]

tier list here

[cerulean wadi]

Makes sense. Cculus is your ram double sided sticks?

[uncut shale]

Is there an Asus ROG Maximus Z690 Xtreme vs. Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Xtreme? I can't seem to find which one would be a better option.

[hollow thorn]

Are those your only options...?

[uncut shale]

Those are the two that I am looking at. Unless there is something better in that range.

[hollow thorn]

What's your budget, what CPU, and what use case?

[uncut shale]

Budget for MB, about $1k. Case is TT Tower 900. CPU is i9 12700k.

[hollow thorn]

uh, 1000$ for a board for the 12700k?

Are you planning on xoc or smth?

[uncut shale]

OC and benchmarking. Gaming as well.

[hollow thorn]

You're not going to need a better board than pro z690-a at 200$ tbh

If you're going to do a ton of OCing, and will be on ddr5, maybe aorus pro for the post code at 330$

but you could also just get some post code display off ebay for like 20$

[uncut shale]

Will be on DDR5, I have 4 64GB of G Skill 6000 which IMO is overkill and may downgrade to 32gb

I have an Asus Hero and it's the recalled version. Yay.

Hence why I am looking for something comparable.

[hollow thorn]

The upside down mosfet was quite sad

[mild jackal]

Why not a 12900k?

[uncut shale]

4 16gb for a total 64gb* not 4 64gb

[mild jackal]

nvm

[hollow thorn]

It's just that a Hero would already be way overkill for a 12700k

[uncut shale]

I did mean 12900k.

Typo on my side.

[hollow thorn]

oh

[mild jackal]

If you really want to oc, go for a unify-x

Apex's are kinda cursed, I think extremes are fine

[hollow thorn]

Unify x is 1dpc so that's a heavily oc focused board

But unless you really want to do OC, something like Aorus Pro will still be more than enough

[uncut shale]

I'm looking into it now. Thanks.

[grizzled nacelle]

@hollow thorn @vast meadow @vernal cosmos You all are great for all the work you do helping folks around here. Thank you.

[limber dragon]

Then get a unifyx or tachyon, as they are both better for overclocking than either extreme

[cerulean wadi]

Any word about B660 mobos being more plentiful soon?

[cursive epoch]

should be available now

my country has lots of em in stock

yeah checked on newegg us

available there too

[hollow thorn]

You're welcome, but you're missing Forky and Fitz and the rest of the techies, everyone plays a part to do a thing

[vernal cosmos]

dont mention it

[grizzled nacelle]

I've no doubt it is a larger team effort. But I haven't met Forky or Fitz and you three have engaged with me several times and been quite patient. I see the techie designation, are you all engineers? Sales reps? How diverse are your professional backgrounds?

[hollow thorn]

Professional background? Non applicable for most of us, we're just here because we know some bit of information we could share

[cerulean wadi]

😄 1 of the special "Red" techies

[vernal cosmos]

most of us are actually college students who love tech and know about it

[cerulean wadi]

THnx Foxy I Guess they're sort of showing up day by day, lol. It's because instead of 12600K I'm thinking about 12700F or 12400(F), $330 & $180 respectively. The z690 mobos are cool but no doubt B660 could be priced much lower than them.

[grizzled nacelle]

Good times. Making the world a better place already. You'll do fine in this life.

[dense frost]

yes... ahem.. "college students"... hello fellow young people!

[vernal cosmos]

YOU ARE THE MINORITY REEEEEEEE

[grizzled nacelle]

College students is a relative term. I went and finished my degree at 30.

[vernal cosmos]

Good on you!

[cerulean wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-leonardo-dicaprio-leo-dicaprio-gif-10584134

[vast meadow]

Yw :>

[vast meadow]

B660 prime is on Amazon for cheap

[vast meadow]

I mean I'm studying electronic engineering +CS but just know about tech mainly

[cerulean wadi]

Oh I forgot about H670 also

[grizzled nacelle]

How far along are you? Any thoughts on what comes next? Does your program provide internship opportunities?

I started the online Harvard CS course and got through some of the lectures. Ultimately I just wanted to learn rudimentary Python to automate work tasks where possible and I learned by doing. But it sure is a useful skill, even at a basic level. I would like to dive deeper, but just haven't had a need and going back to school isn't feasible right now. The tech scene here is pretty limited right now as well so that's a limiting factor

[fiery kernel]

???

[burnt spear]

Non current gen cpus tend to be overpriced buying from a retailer

[fiery kernel]

the x is cheaper which is funny to me

same with the 10400 being cheaper than the 10400f

???

[devout moth]

animator#4093 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[vast meadow]

I'm in year 3/4 i am going to be doing an internship around feb time, after i graduate I'll probably go right into working

[vast meadow]

Just 3rd party sellers being weird cuz they haven't been in production for yearrs

[fiery kernel]

10400 isnt in production anymore?

[burnt spear]

No?

We're on 12th gen?

[fiery kernel]

sure that's the top of the line but mobo prices and ddr5 is outta hand

10400 lookin tasty

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n6kry4

12100 build for 400$

Could get cheaper too

12100 beats 10400 on a fresh install, without anything else open ofc

[vast meadow]

Ddr4 is a thing with 12th gen, and the rest of 12th gen have been out for like 2 weeks now

[burnt spear]

Also 12400f is in stock for 180$

[vast meadow]

Meh

[burnt spear]

Yeah I know you and rawr could prolly do better

[fiery kernel]

but 6 to quad core

[burnt spear]

Core count isn't all that matters

Four stronger cores vs 6 lesser ones

[fiery kernel]

:(

[burnt spear]

Check for 12400

Or f

[fiery kernel]

10400 and 12100 got the same boost clocks anyhow

[cursive epoch]

but less cores

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V7YZBc more realistic and ideal

[cursive epoch]

also 10400f is in much higher demand

that's why 10400 is cheaper

[fiery kernel]

nice lmao

[vast meadow]

Tbh 10400 over 12100 for anything rather than just clean af test bench

[fiery kernel]

i think the 10400 will retain a strong position in budget builds for a while longer even from now

[cursive epoch]

there's 12400 tho

which is better in any way

and 12400f is 180 rn

[vast meadow]

12400 nice

[fiery kernel]

but hows the stock cooler

[cursive epoch]

it works fine

as long case has airflow

it does okay

it got 83c under load in prime95 iirc

in an o11d

[fiery kernel]

loud?

[cursive epoch]

no

[grizzled nacelle]

Definitely a good idea to get started right away, and hopefully still catch this heated job market!

[grizzled nacelle]

$400 without the CPU.

[burnt spear]

You mean gpu?

And yes

[grizzled nacelle]

No, that parts list doesn't have the price for the CPU or GPU included.

[burnt spear]

Oh I didn't even see that

Mb

[digital kindle]

QQ: If I bought a new PC from newegg with a warranty for it, is it voided if I were to open it to install more ram?

[vast meadow]

no

[digital kindle]

Sounds good. Thanks

[tepid moth]

i have 8x4 ddr4 3200 cl16 memory, and am upgrading to a 5800x. would it be worth it to go 3600 speed?

[vast meadow]

Honestly no unless you can sell the ran for not much of a loss or reuse it

[tepid moth]

would there be a decent performance gain?

[vast meadow]

Yeah but not like 160$ as for 3600cl16 32gb

[tepid moth]

okay thank you

[vast meadow]

Np

[cerulean wadi]

Could certain mobo/voltage sensors be "frozen"? Pretty sure this is the cpu power but it never budges.

[hollow thorn]

12v is the 12v rail from the PSU

Its supposed to be constant

Its measuring the voltage on the 12v rail

[cerulean wadi]

Gotcha, thnx. 1 pic is someones 12V input & 2nd pic of course is gpu voltages. PSU probably isn't great, but also finding out cable extensions were definitely a possible cause to some bluescreens.

[mild jackal]

12v to the cpu would be quite the overclock

[cerulean wadi]

yeah I know cpu gets 1v-ish, but EPS is 12v. idk, Just making someone understand their gpu and/or cpu extension is junk. Mine for comparison: (I'd worry if I saw something starting w/ 11, lol.)

[golden pike]

sup gamers

Im back LUL

Yall have any recommendations to sorta "benchmark" RAM?

[vast meadow]

Benchmark or stress test?

[golden pike]

benchmark

i have my 2 sets now

im gonna try to see what sort of performance differences i will get with each

[vast meadow]

Y cruncher with 10b c malloc settings or 7zip benchmark would be good, both are available on benchmate -handy software

[golden pike]

sweet! thank you. i will take a look right now.

[vast meadow]

Nb

[cerulean wadi]

19K mips

[golden pike]

installing benchmate now!

[golden pike]

whats that?

I have 7zip up

I see the mips thing but am i supposed to touch anything haha

or just click run

[cerulean wadi]

click run, after about 2 minutes or less it spits out a MIPS reading.

cinebench 11.5 is neat w/ it's older cpu scores.

[golden pike]

sweet

[vast meadow]

Haven't use 7zip bench before but yeah

[golden pike]

Mips = million instructions per second

165915 MIPS

So i guess i just compare these mips with new RAM mips

More = better im assuming

Ill check some fps in a few games

[cerulean wadi]

This is for who has a similar cpu, but that's unlikely these days. All core 3.8GHz w/ stock volts isn't too shabby VS the 3.3 base.

[devout moth]

mastermonkey911#0896 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

mastermonkey911#0896 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[cerulean wadi]

ejecto seato cuz. https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_core_i5-12400f_ddr4_vs_ddr5_review/11

[golden pike]

New ram with unmodified DCOP is

164216

Seems minimal

[golden pike]

cpu still hot af

without OC

lol

and reapply thermal paste

ryzen 16 cores do be kinda hot

and specifically corsair AIOs

;;

@vast meadow Does this make sense? The MIPS with the new ram, 3600mhz and 16 cas is 164216. The other ram, runs 3733mhz with vsoc OC, 18 cas though. It has more MIPS at 165915. About 2,000 more to round up. However, game FPS is more with this new RAM, and im not overclocking.

I think im gonna stick with the new in that case. Regardless, though, I am wondering - is it worth trying to OC ram OVER the marketed mhz?

left is new

[vernal cosmos]

ignore userbenchmark

its garbage

!ubm

[devout moth]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[golden pike]

Sounds good to me

Thanks haha

@vernal cosmos do u know ab the question i asked

[golden pike]

^

Could prob easily answer

Thank u in advance

[limber dragon]

mips =/= game performance

[vernal cosmos]

latency is what you want

lower better

mips is bandwidth related afaik

fitz is the expert here

[golden pike]

But what is it performance wise

I mainly have this ram for rendering purposes

[limber dragon]

then have it set to whatever gives you better render times

[golden pike]

The dilemma im dealin with is

3733mhz 18

3600mhz 16, but no attempt at oc'ing

[cursive epoch]

mips is just overall bandwidth

[limber dragon]

is 3733 completely stable?

[golden pike]

Havent ran my second render test yet, so dont yet have confirmation on which is faster

[golden pike]

Yep

[cursive epoch]

mips doesn't account latency

[golden pike]

Its supposed to run 4000

Lul

But 3733 was max i could get tried everything

But yeah

Ill def check render times

But my main question is- is it worth trying to overclock the ram running at 3600mhz to higher mhz even tho its meant to run 3600mhz? Or is that not really a thing

Thanks for the help yall 💖

[cursive epoch]

wait

5950x is the cpu you run?

[golden pike]

Correct

[cursive epoch]

that cpu couldn't run 4000mhz ram

unless you're lucky with it

[golden pike]

Yes ive learned that

[cursive epoch]

anything above 3733 becomes unsynced

[golden pike]

Passed that stuff

3733 worked tho

But im talkin ab different ram now

Thats less latency

[cursive epoch]

it's a shame really

[golden pike]

Yeah it is

I tried everything

Fabric wouldnt do 1900

[limber dragon]

how many sticks of ram?

[golden pike]

4

[limber dragon]

and like 16 or 32gb per stick?

[golden pike]

32 per stick

The new ones thankfully are all@from 1 kit

The og kit was 2 kits of 32*2

[limber dragon]

yeah, then you're at quad rank per channel, and 3733 is as much as the imc can handle

my 5800x is the same

[golden pike]

For sur

Do u think it's possible to overclock 3600mhz ram to 3733mhz?

[limber dragon]

yes*

*depends on the IC, imc and board

[golden pike]

Interesting

[old briar]

What yall think 12600k or 5600x

[cursive epoch]

12600k better

[cerulean wadi]

12700(F) if you also need/want more cores and don't care about the K.

[golden pike]

Should i just attempt increasing mhz? Or should i also do the cpu vsoc overclock

[golden pike]

After playing with a few things i got the ram to post at 3666

No luck on 3733

[cerulean wadi]

4x32 is quite a task to oc on most mobos. :PepePopcorn:

[golden pike]

Id hope my mobo can handle it

Lol

Thing was expensive!

Huh

It seems like i can boot 3666 with no overclocking of the cpu

Changed nothing but the mhz

But even with vsoc at 1.2 which people say u shouldnt go over ive seen, 3733 wont happen

Now to test the stability

If its stable, ill then be dealing with

3666 and 16 cas
Vs
3733 and 18 cas

Id like to try tightening timings too

[vast meadow]

Not a fair comparison, boards for z690 cost 100$ more, question is 12400 or 5600x =12400 or 12600k or 5800x =<12600k/12700f

[vast meadow]

After vsoc 1.15 you can see negative scaling

[golden pike]

3666 wasnt stable but i didnt thoroughly test

But when i tried it really messed stuff up so i think imma just stick with 3600 and keep this new set

Thanks for all the help!

[vast meadow]

Can you send a screenshot of zentimings?

[golden pike]

Not sure what that is

Right now im running anta on 3600 just to make sure the ram itself is stable

[vast meadow]

Its a program that shows your voltages and timings if you're on amd

[golden pike]

The DCOP makes voltage 1.45

But i can check that stuff

[vast meadow]

Yeah im asking because there's a few other voltages that can help with stability

[golden pike]

Ah wait i forgot to turn dcop back on after the last test messed up the system

Ill have to get that to you later on!

[peak wolf]

What cpu from AMD Ryzen pairs well with a zotac 3060 gpu?

[burnt spear]

why amd

do you already have a motherboard?

if you dont have a mobo already, theres not much of a point to go AMD currently

12400/f beats 5600x and is cheaper

[golden pike]

Real quick, i found this table in a youtube video description. A lower number in the top table is just better overall right?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5ePJLHhrAUMZFBnc05TLUZMYzg/view?resourcekey=0-iI1EsmfNIO601bRt1kokZg
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5ePJLHhrAUMZFBnc05TLUZMYzg/view?resourcekey=0-iI1EsmfNIO601bRt1kokZg

[burnt spear]

same with 12600k to 5800x

and 12700k to 5900x

[cerulean wadi]

Timing or latency (ns), yes lower is always better. However, sometimes a certain speed/latency combo won't actually perform better outright

[golden pike]

I meany in that spreadsheet

The guy was calculating the response time of the ram

Its some equation with the megahertz and the cas latency

And he gets the data in that sheet

The data is "response time" i reckon so im assuming the lower numbers are just straight up better?

[golden pike]

Thank you for this.

[cerulean wadi]

Here's a laugh/tidbit: You could run 3877 at CL20 and technically have the same latency as me, but of course get double the bandwidth. No matter the latency, every program likely has a decent bandwidth (requirement) that varies for each. --2nd pic is a quick possible example of sorts. (game) Testing ram sure can be variable for sure.

[dim cloak]

Wait 1080 low with what cpu and gpu cause that can vary it's such a weird way to compare it

[cerulean wadi]

I know, game performance already varies quite a bit sometimes. RAM can definitely effect performance depending on how bad or good it actually is. The 2666CL16 sort of shows this. I can't find it but I recently saw an even better review of various ram speeds/timings
https://www.wepc.com/tips/ram-speed/

[dim cloak]

But it is also a good way to demonstrate how much ram can affect performance

[cerulean wadi]

some games dont care.....

[peak wolf]

because my mobo is only amd compatible

[golden pike]

Interesting.

[burnt spear]

used 3600 or 5600x

[naive pendant]

Im installing a b560 mobo with an i7-10700f in it with 2x8 gb 4000 mhz ram. Ik the cpu wont use all 4000, but how much can it go up to? Intel says 2933, but I've seen lots of people say it can easily go over that with a good mobo? But never heard to what max speed

[vast meadow]

Your cpu should easily be able to run it at 4000mhz

[naive pendant]

@vast meadow Even though intel says it should only do 2933?

Why do they say that anyways

But thats a huge relief to hear

[vast meadow]

Yep, that's just the minimum speed it has to run, if it cannot run 2933mhz at jedec timings then it's defective that's all

[polar moth]

Worth upgrading to 32gb ram kit? Also c16 or cl18

I see cl18 is tad expensive than the cl16 one

[vast meadow]

Depends, do you use more than 14gb of ram usually? If so yes, otherwise no.
Cl16 vs cl18 really depends on frequency and other timings, in general cl16 is better when you're comparing the same frequency eg 3200mhz cl16 better than 3200cl18 but 3200cl16 ~=3600cl18, although that depends on the other timings, that statement is only really true with the bad timings given to 3600cl18 kits at xmp

[naive pendant]

@vast meadow Would you recommend I upgrade my ram to 32GB? I use dual monitors, 90%of which the other is for videos and I hit 13-14 gb

[vast meadow]

Yeah if tou use about 14gb it would probably be worth it, nothing really to do with monitors just what apps you got open

[naive pendant]

Youtube n games mostly

@vast meadow Also one more question, since I have windows on the ssd and I linked my account to it and what not, will my new mobo boot up windows or will it go through bios first or smth?

[vast meadow]

Should boot up into windows if you already have installed ye

[devout moth]

MrVenomTV__#6074 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

MrVenomTV__#6074 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[static sphinx]

Does higher CL mean better or vise versa

[dense patio]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pHmMfP
Friend of mine has an old PC that he has been running as a mess about machine for random stuff.
He has recently gotten a 3000 series card so is going to move the 1080ti into the old machine. I had attached a part list that shows some of the basic parts in the machine. I have chosen some faster ram because the RAM that was in it was 1600MHz. I went for some 2400MHz as you can see from the link and part picker isnt saying there is any compatibility issues but when i go onto the motherboard specs on part picker and the intel site for the boardhttps://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/36888/intel-desktop-board-dx58so.html?ui=BIG?ui=BIG
It says the max memory is 1600.
Is part picker reported incorrect information here with the RAM it can take? or can this actually take faster ram

I know this wont be the most efficient machine on the planet either. It's really not meant to be. It's just a thing that has been built up of random parts over time

[vast meadow]

In general worse but it depends if you trade off frequency for higher cl thats usually okay

[vast meadow]

@static sphinx more detailed explanation

[static sphinx]

Thanks

[vast meadow]

Just leave it with the ram in in, 10000% not worth spending 100£ on that

[dense patio]

Ok but say he can find some 2400 ram somewhere for cheap/free
Is it gonna work?

[vast meadow]

honestly it might not i dont know how good the memory controller on that is

[dense patio]

ok

thanks anyway

[vast meadow]

I mean if it was free it would be worth a try, possibly downclock them

[pale fox]

u want me to show you it?

xD I still haven't forgotten this conversation

[limber dragon]

go to the cpu section if you're trying to show us cpu stuff

[pale fox]

ah ok

Idle

[limber dragon]

60-70c for 50w is pretty warm tbh

[pale fox]

As long i have got my stock cooler I will be alright xD

and playing while oc

[cerulean wadi]

Normal with many stock coolers, but personally I'm rocking a decent 120 hsf. Max of 55c is pretty nice.

[limber dragon]

I've personally tested stock coolers, 70c is what I see at 65w in p95

Intel cpus with 95w limits hit 90s and thermal throttle due to saturating the cooler

[teal falcon]

just swapped out my old cpu with a r5 5600x and installed a new aio but now when i turn my pc on, the fans turn on and the pump lights up but my monitors just keep saying "no signal" and shut off

am i missing something?

[digital fern]

What mobo do you have

?

[teal falcon]

asus b450m or something like that

[digital fern]

.

Did you update the bios?

[teal falcon]

ah thats it

[digital fern]

to get the 5000 series support?

[teal falcon]

how do i do that

[digital fern]

Alright

do you have a USB flashdrive?

[teal falcon]

i knew i was forgetting something really dumb

i could probably find one yea

[digital fern]

get atleast a 4GB one

since bios files are pretty small

[teal falcon]

basically i just load it from another pc and load it into this one?

[digital fern]

Elaborate that?

Like send the file to the mobo?

from a another PC?

[teal falcon]

like download whatever bios files from another pc and just plug it into this one

with the flash drive

[digital fern]

yea

[naive pendant]

anyone familiar with latitude 5400's

[digital fern]

that works

[teal falcon]

ah alright

and i should just be able to plug it in and it will work fine?

it will install everything automatically?

[digital fern]

you have to uninstall the CPu with your old one

to get into your bios

[cursive epoch]

not all mobos has flashback

[digital fern]

then plug in your USB flashdrive

[cursive epoch]

gotta check which exact one it is tho

[teal falcon]

wait what

i have to reinstall my old cpu?

[cursive epoch]

like which mobo are you using

[teal falcon]

asus b450m

[cursive epoch]

okay, that

likely has no flashback

[digital fern]

Doesn't sound high end,

[cursive epoch]

you have to put your old cpu in

and update your bios manually

[teal falcon]

and how would i do that lol

do i still need the flash drive with the bios update?

[digital fern]

Yea,

then boot up your PC and press F2 or Delete.

[teal falcon]

ok so

put old cpu in, go to bios, uninstall whatever and install the new thing

[cursive epoch]

uh

[teal falcon]

and then put new cpu in and it works?

am i understanding that correctly?

[cursive epoch]

you gotta download bios from the site for your mobo

[teal falcon]

yeah i can figure that part out

[cursive epoch]

which is asus

[teal falcon]

yes

[cursive epoch]

just google your exact asus mobo model

[teal falcon]

actually i think its an asus b450m prime

m.2 drive is blocking the damn words lmao

ok but im understanding that correctly right?

[cursive epoch]

yes

make sure to check your manual on how to update bios

[teal falcon]

alright sounds good thanks

[cursive epoch]

some renaming of the bios file might be needed

[teal falcon]

can i just look it up?

[cursive epoch]

yep

[teal falcon]

like a tutorial or something

aight

ill be back if i have any problems

thank you guys

[digital fern]

Imagine if he lost power during a bios update

[teal falcon]

wait hold on 1 more thing

do i install the new bios version with the new cpu or with the old one?

and i would still need the flash drive with the bios update right?

[digital fern]

old one

then you cna flash the bios with the flash drive

can*

[teal falcon]

sorry i think im still a little confused

[digital fern]

did you uninstall your new cpu out of the motherboard

or remove the processor out of the motherboard

[teal falcon]

i swap the cpu back to the old one, go to another pc and install bios update on the flash drive, then come back and uninstall this version of the bios, swap new cpu back in, and then i plug in the flash drive and bios updates?

[digital fern]

No, lemme break it down for you.

First put back your old CPU in,

boot it up,

download the bios file from your motherboards website

once finished

shutdown

and boot up into your BIOS

then it should say Flash BIOS in your BIOS

then a file should pop up

click that and download that and make sure you don't lose power on your PC.

[teal falcon]

do i have to do this on a flash drive or can i just download it to my ssd or something

[digital fern]

no only flash drive

[teal falcon]

alright

[digital fern]

I don't think it's possible for it to work on a SSD

[teal falcon]

got it

then after i flash the bios i can just install the new cpu and itll be good?

[digital fern]

I would make sure it can still boot up to windows 10

because sometimes after a BIOS update it can mess with Boot options

[teal falcon]

wdym

[digital fern]

It can mess with your SSD boot options, preventing it from booting up to windows 10

[teal falcon]

ah ok

[digital fern]

But you can fix that by going into your BIOS

and bam

[teal falcon]

so after bios update i just need to make sure it works again?

[digital fern]

yep

[teal falcon]

with the old cpu?

[digital fern]

mhm

[teal falcon]

got it

and then after that i put the new cpu in again?

[digital fern]

Yep,

[teal falcon]

ok i think i got it now

thanks a ton

[digital fern]

Np,

make sure you don't lose power

[teal falcon]

alright i should be fine lol

[digital fern]

worst case

[teal falcon]

lmao

[digital fern]

If it still doesn't boot up after BIOS update @ me

[teal falcon]

@digital fern i have a big external hdd with some other games on it and stuff, would that work instead of the flash drive?

[digital fern]

I don't think so,

Did you finish updating the bios?

[teal falcon]

nah im still looking for a flash drive lmao

[digital fern]

Mkay, lmao

[teal falcon]

still need to swap the old cpu back in as well

gimme a few mins

[regal lichen]

Is $500 CAD for ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-E GAMING WIFI MOTHERBOARD reasonable? Or the Asus Rog strix z690-F for $400 cad better? Deciding between for Asus Prime-A which is $369 ($415 CAD after tax)

[teal falcon]

@digital fern do you know if i need a specific bios update i need for my cpu or if the latest version works?

[digital fern]

lastest version works

[teal falcon]

ight cool

downloaded it and gonna update now

[digital fern]

Alright cool,

[teal falcon]

another dumb question but how do i know which file select for the update @digital fern

[digital fern]

it should say the files name when you download it into the flash drive

[teal falcon]

none of my drives are named and the file names are extremely vague lol

[digital fern]

it'll detect the file

don't worry

[teal falcon]

it just makes me select a storage device

[digital fern]

show me a picture

[teal falcon]

and then select a file in the storage device

[digital fern]

oh..

[teal falcon]

what did i do wrong lol

[digital fern]

how much storage does your flashdrive have

[teal falcon]

dont remember

the download was only 10 mb

im just gonna exit bios and try to move the files i guess

[digital fern]

wait

where did you put the bios file at?

in the flashdrive right

[teal falcon]

flash drive

yes

[digital fern]

lemme use google rq

[teal falcon]

i cant find the flash drive in the bios

oh wait my pc wasnt even picking up the flash drive either

wait a sec

[digital fern]

did you went into the tool selection?

[teal falcon]

yes

[digital fern]

does it say ez flash 3 or something

[teal falcon]

yes thats it

[digital fern]

now try to find the flash drive BIOS file and download it.

[teal falcon]

its not even detecting the flash drive

it detects all my other drives lol

im just gonna move the files and see if it works

[digital fern]

the hell..

can you show me a picture of your flash drive?

front and back

[teal falcon]

blurry ass pics sorry lol

[digital fern]

it's a 32gb one

wth

[teal falcon]

trying my other drive now

[digital fern]

Ok

[teal falcon]

yeah i still cant find it in there

idk

should i put the files in a folder

[digital fern]

did you plug it in when you're inside of the bios

plug it in before going into the bios

see if that works

[teal falcon]

tried both

i cant even find it in my ssd

[digital fern]

give me a minute

i am gonna try to figure it out,

how many gb is the other

flash drive

you have

[teal falcon]

i just have the 32

ok well i put the files in a folder in my ssd, but when i open the folder nothing shows up

[digital fern]

try to follow this videos steps

Not sure if you extracted the file

and just dragged it into the flash drive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tpPMB9E5LU

[teal falcon]

yeah i did just extract and drag

watching now

[digital fern]

Oh,

click on fso0

and see if you have the ASUS bios file in there

with the 2 of the flash drives

@teal falcon

then it should say ASUS-B450M-PRIME-A-####.CAP

[teal falcon]

the bios folder i put the files in is in my fs3 drive

[digital fern]

check there

[teal falcon]

i found the folder but the files inside of it arent there

its just empty

[digital fern]

send me a video or picture of the entire fs3

wtf

wait you said folder?

not like a single file

[regal lichen]

Anyone???

[digital fern]

That's a lot of money for a Z690

[digital fern]

prolly not

[digital fern]

did you name the folder called "BIOS UPDATE"

[teal falcon]

yeah i tried it with just the files i downloaded but couldnt find them so i made a folder so it would be easier to find

[regal lichen]

Thing is normally the rog strix versions go over $550 without tax but I can find someone selling cheaper on Kijiji, sealed with receipt

[teal falcon]

yes thats what i named it lol

[digital fern]

No don't put it in a folder

[teal falcon]

hmmm alright

i also noticed the vid showed the guy formatting his drive

could that be the problem?

[digital fern]

No, it shouldn't be a problem

[teal falcon]

hm ok

ill try putting them with no folder

[main pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys6D2528yUs&ab_channel=ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking

you can just watch the first 6 minutes or so

[cunning ingot]

tl;dr

strix bad

msi good

giga ddr5 good

the end

[teal falcon]

found it lol @digital fern

[digital fern]

ez

ez

[teal falcon]

just had to take it out of the folder i guess

[digital fern]

Ah ok

[teal falcon]

still have no idea why flash drive wasnt working

[digital fern]

weird

alright it might take a bit for that to download\

5-10 minutes

maybe

[teal falcon]

yea its workin

[cerulean wadi]

Yeah the stock coolers are junk for 90+ watt cpus, but theyrecheap

[digital fern]

alright after that it'll try to reboot a couple of times that's normal.

[regal lichen]

Doesn’t talk about any bring ROG ATX boards

[digital fern]

So don't freak out.

[teal falcon]

sounds good

[digital fern]

lol

[main pulsar]

thats because theyre irrelevant

he explains why the Z690-A is the only board you will ever need for general use

any other board is just more expensive for no good reason

[teal falcon]

@digital fern ight it finished and loaded windows fine

[digital fern]

nice,

[teal falcon]

i guess i just gotta put the new cpu back in?

[digital fern]

yep

[cerulean wadi]

Easiest for me in the past was no.folders or anything on a flashdrive, just the bios file I was gonn use. Helps that gigabyte had simple bios names too

[digital fern]

should work perfectly fine now,

[teal falcon]

sounds good

[teal falcon]

yeah but the flashdrive wasnt even being detected by the bios for whatever reason

i just put it in my ssd and it worked so idk

[cerulean wadi]

Certain usb ports can be funky also, like how they need drivers to even work. Sometimes I have to switch my keyboard port so it gets power quick enough to go into bios.

[digital fern]

@teal falcon any luck with your new CPU?

[teal falcon]

still putting it in lol

[digital fern]

E

[vernal cosmos]

needs to be a fat32 pendrive

for da bios to pick it up usually

[teal falcon]

ah

no idea what that means tbh lol

[digital fern]

Still installing?

[teal falcon]

yea

[digital fern]

Damn you a AIO?

or a big ol air cooler

[teal falcon]

aio

[digital fern]

Ah no wonder,

lol

[regal lichen]

Looks like back to the Prime A LOL

[main pulsar]

are you using DDR5?

[regal lichen]

Yes

The rog strix z690-f for $390 cad cash seems like a very good deal he said he got from bundle so I might be able to haggle a few more dollars

[teal falcon]

@digital fern

getting farther than last time

[main pulsar]

but thats still way too much to be paying for a motherboard

what are you using this system for?

how much ram do you need?

[regal lichen]

The asus z690 prime-A with tax is already $400-415

[main pulsar]

why would you get that board

[regal lichen]

Because of the stupid cooler bracket not being available with the aio lga1200

1700*

[main pulsar]

which AIO

[regal lichen]

Lian li Galahad360

[main pulsar]

you can contact the cooler manufacturer to get a 1700 mounting bracket

they will ship one to you

[digital fern]

hang on..

[main pulsar]

i think

[regal lichen]

Yeah I looked, says to order through Ali expires

Express

[digital fern]

did you encrypt your storage?

[regal lichen]

Super delayed they’re newer products don’t even have them included yet

[teal falcon]

no idea what that means so probably not

[main pulsar]

whats wrong with that

[regal lichen]

Takes long? Time is money

[main pulsar]

oh, i guess shipping times

[digital fern]

lemme google search some things

[main pulsar]

really? im willing to bet your time is not money lmao

[regal lichen]

You won the bet

[main pulsar]

i suppose the ability to use a 1200 mounting bracket is nice

[digital fern]

if you dont have any encryption then press Y

[main pulsar]

but idk, thats an additional 200 for mounting holes

[digital fern]

I don't see any issues here

[teal falcon]

alright

[regal lichen]

1200?

[digital fern]

do you have windows 10 or 11

[main pulsar]

yeah, the lga 1200 socket

[teal falcon]

10

[digital fern]

Yea it should be fine,

if you have windows 11

then it'll be a issue

[regal lichen]

So you’re suggest better to get another board and order the bracket from Ali express?

[digital fern]

Cause it requires you to turn off fTPM

for windows 11

[teal falcon]

oh ok

[regal lichen]

I always liked asus so :/

[main pulsar]

brand loyalty is for chumps

[regal lichen]

Just not sure what’s the best DDR5 mobo Rather not change my mind been at this for months

[main pulsar]

its all about the model number

[regal lichen]

MSI tomahawk?

[main pulsar]

you didnt order the 1700 bracket months ago???

[digital fern]

any luck?

[teal falcon]

well yeah windows booted up lol

[main pulsar]

anyway

[regal lichen]

No I should have but stupid person from store said it’s coming it’s coming then he said oh asus boards don’t need bracket

[digital fern]

nice ok,

[main pulsar]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144504

thats the board if you are willing to wait

[regal lichen]

I’m from Canada not sure if that plays a factor

[main pulsar]

that board should still be cheapest

[regal lichen]

Damn $299

[main pulsar]

when did canadian rubles become so inflated?

[regal lichen]

No idea I told you

[main pulsar]

i swear I didnt think these boards would be that much more

[regal lichen]

It’s dumb Canada sucks

Currency conversion is a robbery lol

[main pulsar]

fr though, performance differences between DDR4 and DDR5 are minimal at best

cheap DDR4 board, maybe reuse your current DDR4 kit if you have one?

regardless, DDR4 is v cheap rn

[teal falcon]

@digital fern i think im all good now, thanks so much for all your help

[digital fern]

np, what was your old processor anyway?

[teal falcon]

r7 1700x lol

[digital fern]

You should give it to me

[main pulsar]

https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813119515
if you are looking to use a 12700k or lower, this board has holes for both and is very well priced

[regal lichen]

Yeah I would of went with ddr4, too late already committed too DDR5

[digital fern]

jk I am getting the same upgrade when my birthday comes

[main pulsar]

just return your DDR5 kit

[regal lichen]

I went with 12900kf

[teal falcon]

ah nice

[main pulsar]

https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813119511

[teal falcon]

yeah im excited to finally have a cpu thats a bit more on par with my gpu

[regal lichen]

Funny the prime P was first choice before then went with A because of possible overclocking opportunities

[main pulsar]

forget about overclocking

there is hardly any performance to be had

in reality

[regal lichen]

Why is it cuz it’s already super fast lol?

[main pulsar]

i mean to some extent

theres just not much more to push outta these chips

at least on an aio

[spice sluice]

Do you think this is enougg

[main pulsar]

have you already bought your DDR5 kit?

[regal lichen]

Yeah then I might as well go back to the P, it was $299 I think

Yes I got a decent deal for it like $400

Some random price error or sale

[main pulsar]

bruh

return that crap

[regal lichen]

😂😂😂

[main pulsar]

if you are still within the 30 day return window

like what a waste of money

go get a 2x16gb kit that performs the same for 200

[regal lichen]

The DDR4 kits I was looking at was already $300 something

[main pulsar]

still too much

[digital fern]

Never hurts to have too much

[cerulean wadi]

Turbo boost eats into oc headroom.

[regal lichen]

Ok so should I just stick with basic board than like the Prime-P and forget about overclocking the 12900kf?

[main pulsar]

yeah

and please do whatever you can to get rid of that DDR5 kit

[regal lichen]

I’ll check return date might be close

Holiday return policy too

Gotta sleep, thanks for the insights

[main pulsar]

https://www.newegg.ca/p/pl?N=100007610 600521523 600327642 600528730 600546709 600485925 600521526 601203950&Order=1

find rams from here

i would suggest any of the kits in the 200-220 range i suppose

actually i can just add that to the filter

[main pulsar]

https://www.newegg.ca/p/pl?N=100007610 600521523 600327642 600528730 600546709 600485925 600521526 601203950&Order=1&LeftPriceRange=200+220

gn

[elfin bolt]

Hey. I'm trying to add some ram to my aurora r12 and not sure whats compatible. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[hollow thorn]

Do you know what motherboard you have?

[static sphinx]

@elfin bolt ^^

[halcyon otter]

I am extremely new into pc things and i dont have much knowledge in pc parts does the 12600k support 3600mhz ram

[vast meadow]

Yes

[halcyon otter]

alright thx

[vast meadow]

Avoid 3600cl18 kits or memory tho, basically the same as 3200cl16 but more expensive, aim for 3600cl16

Shouldn't cost much more either

[devout moth]

cuhrqly#4003 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

cuhrqly#4003 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[vast meadow]

👀
https://youtu.be/8diXDeTDCbo

[grizzled nacelle]

Woah, seems like an oversight on Intel's side or would it be the Motherboards responsibility to impose the restrictions?

[vast meadow]

Seems like an asus external clock thing

[grizzled nacelle]

I wonder if this might cause a problem for Intel and Asus relationship?

[vast meadow]

Don't think so, it's just bus oc basically

[grizzled nacelle]

Is there any use for old components 10+ year old motherboards, 1GB DDR3 RAM, 256MB RAM, PATA HDDs?

If not what is the proper disposal for them? Searching suggested donating assuming the parts weren't torn apart. I tore down a couple old systems yesterday.

[vast meadow]

There's some charities that will take them and make useable for kids in 3rd world countries

[drowsy elk]

Not sure which section to ask this, but im looking to replace my toasted processor, and am having trouble deciding which to get, anyone have any tips?

[finite elm]

Budget? Do you live near a microcenter or best buy?

[drowsy elk]

400$. best buys bout an hour from me.

Looking to replace my amd 9590

[finite elm]

400$ total budget? for mobo ram and cpu?

[drowsy elk]

Na just the CPU

[vast meadow]

You'll want a new motherboard and ram too, fx 9590 is old af

And ram

[drowsy elk]

by that point wouldnt i just buy a whole new pc

[vast meadow]

Not unless you had a prebuilt with proprietary parts

[drowsy elk]

It was a prebuilt i bought off a friend in like 2014

[vast meadow]

Can you see a 24 pin long connector on the motherboard?

[finite elm]

oh gross. you'd probably want to look into buying a new PC entirely. you can probably find a PC on ebay with no GPU for 500$

Just scrolled through, I don't see anything too good.

[drowsy elk]

sorry, had to pull up the manual to see the board, it does have one

[drowsy elk]

im trying to fix this before i buy a new pc for me, this ones just gonna be for sims and minecraft

[finite elm]

not many people will be selling FX CPU's I don't think. you could try to fit a new mobo, ram, and CPU in there but I'd be on sure myself. could definitely do an 11400 build on a B560 and 16gbs of ram for under 400$

[elfin bolt]

@hollow thorn Alienware 0P0JWX (U3E1)

[vast meadow]

for 400$ youd be able to get a better new pc tbh

@drowsy elk do you have a graphics card ?

[drowsy elk]

Yeeah

[vast meadow]

what gpu btw?

[drowsy elk]

geforce 1660

[vast meadow]

nice gpu, hold on youre better off just building new pc for 400$ imo

do you need wifi?

[drowsy elk]

no

[vast meadow]

you got an ssd ?

[drowsy elk]

yeah, 500 gb ssd 2tb HDD

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2MHc68 here ya go, would be a massive improvement over what you have atm, just stick your storage and graphics card in with this

[drowsy elk]

Thanks man, i appreciate it

[vast meadow]

np

[hollow thorn]

Could you use CPUz, go to the motherboard tab, and find the chipset?

[spiral fulcrum]

why are there no 3990x's in stock

[grizzled bloom]

Because they're no longer in production so any new condition stock would be leftover stock

[spiral fulcrum]

whats its alternative rn

ok I see 3995wx

well even this is so low on stock but thats only aliexpress

[grizzled bloom]

They're 2 years old and the new series is in production now, but it's a new socket. Leaks have been scarce too.

Or you could do epyc

[spiral fulcrum]

hmm epyc

yeah

actually good idea

its meant to be an editing station

and 3d modeling on various apps

so maybe higher clock of threadrippers will be better

[grizzled bloom]

TR can be overclocked too, epyc can't

[spiral fulcrum]

not even CPB?

[grizzled bloom]

That's basically just turbo. At stock, the all core turbo of epyc 7763 of 3.2ghz beats the all core turbo of the 3995wx of 3.0ghz despite the TR having higher max single core boost.

And they have the same tdp of 280W

[spiral fulcrum]

ok

hmm I will think of an epyc processor

[summer crescent]

has amd said anything about when the new processors and mobos are coming out

[grizzled bloom]

The AM5 stuff? Not anything specific

5800XT comes out soon though

Should get them back into direct competition after Intel blew them away

[devout moth]

WsXFT#5446 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

WsXFT#5446 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[vernal dome]

Does anyone have experience with a 5700xt and a r5 5600x together? I'm running a 2700 with that GPU and am looking for an upgrade

[grizzled bloom]

5600X should handle any modern gpu. 2700 might hold a powerful one back a bit.
I upgraded my 2700 to a 5800X and the difference is night and day. The 2700 was bottlenecking my rtx 2070, which is roughly equal to your 5700XT.

[vernal dome]

Ok sweet, thank you. What's your ram speed with it?

[grizzled bloom]

Save some money and buy used, just make sure the pics include the pins so you can see if any are bent

I've got a kit of b-die that I overclocked to 3800c14 at 1.57v

No way that my 2700 could do that

[hollow thorn]

I also had 2700 and 2070, upgraded just 1 gen to 3800x, fps did improve from 2700 to 3800x.

[vernal dome]

hooee

i probably need a ram upgrade for that though. i only got 2133mhz rn

16gb

Honestly just biting the bullet and going to a 5800x wouldnt kill me

[grizzled bloom]

If you did that you could just wait a couple months and get the new 5800XT with upgraded stacked cache. It's supposed to be a LOT faster.

[vernal dome]

If I even get the chance to buy it lol

[grizzled bloom]

CPUs aren't as hard to get as GPUs. Even 12th gen intel is in steady supply.

[burnt spear]

i wonder how hot the 5800xt will be

[grizzled bloom]

Supposedly not much hotter, the substrate and IHS are thinner to get the cache in there so better heat transfer

[elfin bolt]

Chipset Model ID4C43

[hollow thorn]

well that's still just nonsensical, guess I was expecting a bit too much from alienware

[hollow thorn]

What does it say here?

[elfin bolt]

Chipset Vendor Intel
Chipset Model ID4C43
Chipset Revision 01

thats from speccy

Southbridge Vendor Intel
Southbridge Model Z490
Southbridge Revision 00

[hollow thorn]

Oh that's what I was looking for, z490 is good

How much ram are you looking to have in total? 32gb? @elfin bolt

[elfin bolt]

i'm looking to add 64. 2 x 32

[hollow thorn]

In that case I would replace what you currently have with just a new kit of 2x32

[elfin bolt]

from what ive read it's u-dimm. what is that and who makes it

[hollow thorn]

Basically, its just normal ram

you can slap in a simple kit like this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08688GFPD

[elfin bolt]

so 3200 g skill would work?

[hollow thorn]

Sure, but I believe that'll be cheaper

[elfin bolt]

cool. i'll take a look. i appreciate the help

[vast meadow]

Btw they're calling it 5800x3d (awkward name but yeah)

[dense frost]

marketing people make the weirdest decisions. "XT" already exists.

[vast meadow]

Yep

[limpid heart]

Atleast they didn’t call it the XD

[grizzled nacelle]

I was surprised when I pulled out an old Pentium 4 and found the pins on the CPU.

[naive pendant]

So I installed a new mobo, the 560m Aorus pro ax, and it wont detect any wifi/internet connections. Im assuming it doesnt have its so called antenna but all I got was these in the box with a disc, but somone said I need a ethernet and download the wifi drivers off the website?

[vast meadow]

There definitely should be antennas im the box, if there's not contact who you bought it from and the antennas improve signal, you can use the WiFi without them tho, you might need to download the drivers off the website on your phone/other pc and laptop and move over with usb, usually easier than connecting to ethernet

[naive pendant]

Apparently it was the non ax version on yhe box

@vast meadow

And yeah I can do that. But would I still need an antenna or smth or should I just get a pcie wifi adapter?

[vast meadow]

Then you ordered the wrong thing or they sent you wrong thing

[naive pendant]

The manual said ax, but on my order it was the non ax

I was going by ax the entire time

So I thought I had the ax board but they just stuck the manual for it in there anyways

[naive pendant]

@vast meadow So as a last resort or I have to completely dissamble my pc for a new mobo, how good would a usb wifi adapter be? My internet is terrible overall and I barely go over 100 mb/s half the time

[vast meadow]

I haven't had any luck with usb adapters, pcie ones that have ax2000 are what you want

[naive pendant]

@vast meadow My gpu covers over the pcie slot for it

[vast meadow]

Ahh well you can try find a usb one with ax2000 don't know if they make them tho

[naive pendant]

@vast meadow So nvm, the one where it normally fits is covered, but would it fit in a pcie x16 slot?

I have two

[devout moth]

No more Fortnite#6808 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

No more Fortnite#6808 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[vast meadow]

yes

pcie is backwards compatible in versions and in slot size

[naive pendant]

Would this one need me to install its drivers?

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

Yes it would be a good idea although it should be picked up by windows default driver, I'd get one with ax2000 though btw

[naive pendant]

Ax2000? Is there a specific one orrrr?

[vast meadow]

ax2000 is the wifi chipset

[naive pendant]

Ohhh

Is there any you can recommend?

I already spent 4 hours getting the mobo and stuff in

I dont wanna spend another 6 to remove and put a new one in for a wifi one

[vast meadow]

Sorry i meant ax200*

[naive pendant]

Oh

But still, any recommendations?

[vast meadow]

https://www.amazon.com/AX200NGW-802-11ac-3000Mbps-Ultra-Fast-Affordable/dp/B081N58RMV this looks good

Could probably find cheaper tho

[naive pendant]

Ill look for cheaper ty

How about this?@vast meadow

Arrives on a day I can actually enjoy my first weekend off

[vast meadow]

Btw this screenshot has adress and can tou link

[naive pendant]

Oops

[halcyon otter]

guys can ddr5 ram motherboards support ddr4 ram ?

[vast meadow]

No

[devout moth]

RascaraxTGH#6230 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

RascaraxTGH#6230 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[obtuse estuary]

Should I save up for the Ryzen 9 5900x or should I just get the Ryzen 7 5800x? The Ryzen 9 is like 150CHF more so idk

[burnt spear]

what are you doign with your pc

and what gpu do you have/want

[obtuse estuary]

I currently have a MSI RTX 3060ti, but I'm probably gonna upgrade to a 3080 in the future

and I'm mainly using it for gaming

Oh and idk if this helps but I have a Corsair H100i RGB Platinum SE 240mm AIO

[vast meadow]

If you don't already have an am4 board, neither, 12600k or 12700k

And if you're already on Ryzen, wait for 5800x3d imo

[empty vessel]

hello. i'm new here, but rather old. i built an MSI Z270 gaming M7 system with an i7-7700 cpu a few years back. windows 11 doesn't like my cpu. can i upgrade the cpu to an i7-9700K on this mb or do i have to replace the entire mb to make this work? many thanks.

[hollow thorn]

Technically possible with modding, but would rather reccomend a new platform in general and going to something like 12400

The chipset and socket should not be compatible with a 9700k but people have modded the socket before to make it work

[severe zodiac]

Hey guys I need some help as I need a new mobo and I found a manufacturer refurbished aorus pro on jw computers for a great price but they seem to have old screenshots of gigabytes motherboard page and it says that it only supports 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen cpus but the current page for the board says it supports all ryzen cpus

[hollow thorn]

What chipset

[severe zodiac]

B450

Forgot to add that

[hollow thorn]

It can support newer CPUs with a bios update, but doesn't have flash back and it's refurb so I wouldn't trust it

[severe zodiac]

Yea just wanted to ask for another opinion

Thanks bro

Same place has a sale on the board so I'm gonna get that

[hollow thorn]

If you're going to use Zen 2/3, a new b550m pro vdh wifi isn't that bad at 120$

[severe zodiac]

Okay

[hollow thorn]

It's just that b450 not great when you could get a b550 board

[severe zodiac]

I'm in Aus so Aus dollars might be different

[severe zodiac]

Apreciate it

[hollow thorn]

It's 150aud

[severe zodiac]

Yea not bad