cpus-mobo-and-memory

[finite elm]

is it really that much effort though

[vast meadow]

Yes

[finite elm]

Most of the effort comes afterward cause you gotta replace the oil

[rocky beacon]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php

There is some info on this page

[finite elm]

I just think its really cool

Would be a nice like HMPC for the living room. guests would be curious ( not that I have any friends 😦 )

[golden pike]

D;

[naive pendant]

for a i7 12700K what would be a good mobo that had good price/performance and ram?

ddr4 or ddr5

[dim cloak]

I7-12700K would pair well with ddr4 3600mhz cl16 from crucial ballistix at a great price and the mobo i wouldnt have a clue

As their isnt much of a performance boost from ddr5 and its much cheaper and ddr4 boards are also cheaper than some ddr5 compatible mobo

[naive pendant]

thats what I thought, ddr5 has great speeds but I have a trident Z(?) 32 GB (16 x 2) 3200mhz and thought it was great

[burnt spear]

3600c16 beats current ddr5 I believr

For most cases

[dim cloak]

It will suffice for you

[naive pendant]

Is cl16 or 18 better?

nvm

lower is better

[dim cloak]

Yeah cl16

But that can be a little misleading on certain products

[celest anchor]

It doesn't, you need something faster

[hollow thorn]

3600c16 beats jedec ddr5 afaik

[celest anchor]

4000 cl18 beats all ddr5

in games

In gear 1

[hollow thorn]

Does alder lake have any issues with doing gear 1 on high freq ddr4?

[cerulean wadi]

Jedec ddr5 seems like ddr3 latency though

[celest anchor]

ddr3 was better

ddr3 was 1600 8-8-8 jedec, ddr4 3200 20-20-20 and ddr5 6400 46-46-46

Timings go up up up

Imagine 3200 16-16-16 jedec on ddr4

[hollow thorn]

imagine 6400 32-32-32 jedec on ddr5

[cerulean wadi]

Jedec was that good? I ran 1866 cL10, yikes

[celest anchor]

Yeah

they keep getting looser

[hollow thorn]

Does jedec usually come back with better profiles as the process matures?

[celest anchor]

no

[hollow thorn]

since there's multiple jedec profiles for ddr4 3200 for example, like cl20 and cl22

[cerulean wadi]

That's funky tbh

[celest anchor]

On the bright side ddr5 goes to 8400 jedec

So eventually jedec stuff will get fast

[cerulean wadi]

It's funny effecttive ram speed has gotten way higher than cpu clock.

[celest anchor]

it's also funny how much lower real ram clock is

[hollow thorn]

I mean, w smth like aida64, you can compare your CPU's cache against memory so

You can see that memory is still behind in bandwidth compared to l1/l2/l3

[celest anchor]

well yeah l2 and l1 are into the TB/s

[hollow thorn]

Will we get to qdr, that's the question for memory

[celest anchor]

Funny how ddr5 6000 runs at just 375mhz physically

[hollow thorn]

the controller?

[celest anchor]

controller would be 3000 or 1500 (g1 g2)

[hollow thorn]

as in, doesn't ddr5 get an on board controller or whatever now?

actually no that was just power delivery, nvm

weird

[celest anchor]

I get like 3TB/s cache

[cerulean wadi]

You mean compared to before ddr was ddr/qdr & it was just sd/rd ram? Idk, sometimes it seems like marketing because ddr5-6000 looks better tha. Ddr5-3000 or 1500 & obviously we can't go back from this

[celest anchor]

I mean physical internal clock

ddr5 6400 would be 400mhz, same as ddr4 3200

DDR4 was the only gen where it went up

clocks are just double what they were 20 years ago

DDR4 doubling it was actually why ddr4 sucked so badly

[hallow matrix]

Question for yall

Does the 3700x do well withe the 6700xt?

[cursive epoch]

yes

[regal lichen]

Can anyone recommend me a 32gb DDR4 ram for this build? Thanks https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NG3Tbh

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yRsGmk I'd do this

[regal lichen]

It says its for AMD Ryzen would that matter? this is showing up $211.99 in Canadian is that still reasonable?

[vast meadow]

Ohh if you're in canada use ca.pcpartpicker.com btw and also for ryzen is just marketing, if you're in Canada I'd do this instead https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HzyC2V

[regal lichen]

oops didn;t know theres a CA pcp lolol thanks! Looks like minor changes liek the SSD, and Yes i already ordered and received the Corsair RM100X PSU last time you told me 🙂

Is the Ram considered the fastest for DDR4? or were basing it on value and performance?

[vast meadow]

Value and performance

[regal lichen]

Can you give an option for more performance but value taking some hit? just want to compare

[vast meadow]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BZwqqs/gskill-ripjaws-v-series-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl14-memory-f4-3200c14d-32gvk
Would be the only other one I'd consider rest are too expensive

[regal lichen]

Oh i dont know my knowledge i thought i should be aiming for higher frequency like DDR4-4000 mhz isnt bigger the number the better?

[vast meadow]

Yes but latency and other timings are a larger factor too, you could easily overclock this to 4000mhz tho

[regal lichen]

Wow I swear I saw an additional $15 off coupon for the canadian site, now its gone....

[vast meadow]

Possibly

[devout moth]

wippjohnson#8468 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

wippjohnson#8468 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[eager lance]

ok nice

[lime solar]

is crucial ballistix ddr4 3000mhz BL2K8G30C15U4B compatible with asrock b550m pro4 and/or ryzen 5 3600? i'm confused because crucial lists it as compatible, but asrock doesn't

[hollow thorn]

Yes, ASRock only lists specific kits that they've tested on the QVL, just because sticks aren't on the list doesn't mean they're not compatible

[lime solar]

oh ok, thank you

[hoary jackal]

is there a way I could update the driver on my old i7 2600?

or should I even?

[vast meadow]

It would be your motherboards chipset drivers and yes if you can
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/detect.html
This should auto detect them for you

[hoary jackal]

would it make any difference in performance?

my gpu drivers are always up to date

[vast meadow]

Ehh well there's probably at least some security patches, no harm anyway

[hoary jackal]

I'll do it tomorrow

[upper rose]

question: why does extra ram freeze my pc?

im at 32gb now

all cards are plugged in correctly

are ryzen 3 cpus not compatible with 32gb ram?

the mobo recognizes all four cards as identical
...

okay now it's working

after a few cycles of powering off and on despite having frozen several times

[cerulean wadi]

probably was different timing, clocks, voltage on 1 channel or something. That reminds me my boot hang on the spinning white dots for an extra 20+ seconds so I need to reset the bios or something.

[upper rose]

so that was the issue?

yeah i can see that

but thank you for the input

tasty ram

[cerulean wadi]

I know, tough to tell when we don't actually adjust anything and just restart pc or reset settings.

[upper rose]

yeah it's weird

should i have let it breathe beforehand?

or would the power cycling have helped anyway

[cerulean wadi]

no idea.

[ember marten]

If your sticks don't have the same memory chips and PCB, there can be issues with getting the memory to work at rated speed (or even JEDEC).

Even if you buy the same exact memory model twice, you're not guaranteed to get the same memory chips (or even the same number of memory chips).

After restarting multiple times, your motherboard trained easier settings that allowed it to boot with memory. It might not be stable though, you may wish to run a memory test

[topaz lava]

Why won’t my ram go to the full 3600 and is instead stuck at 2133

[drowsy nymph]

Turn on XMP

Reboot

[somber girder]

have you tried to enable xmp in bios

[topaz lava]

Xmp 1 or 2

[drowsy nymph]

You may have to completly disconnect power.

[somber girder]

if i remember correctly, some mobos might not even support xmp?

right

[topaz lava]

I have A-xmp 1 and 2

[drowsy nymph]

try both

won't hurt it

see what each one reads and you choose which one you like.

[grizzled bloom]

It depends on the memory rating, capacity, and number of sticks more. Intel CPUs are also able to run faster memory with less penalties, AMD tends to top out around 3800 because of infinity fabric.

[cerulean wadi]

I made progress. I think I did good on this sale I almost missed, because the 3600 CL16 is closer to $200 usually.

[naive pendant]

anyone know why the i7 12800k is better than the i9 11900k?

[cerulean wadi]

11900K was mostly like an oc'd 11700. it lost 2 cores vs the 10900 I think

[naive pendant]

ahh but why make the i7 significantly better and cheaper, doesnt make sense

scratch price

its $50 more at the moment with a newegg sale, the i9

[cerulean wadi]

which 2? (I thought most sales just ended 8 minutes ago but perhaps not ) 🤘

[naive pendant]

nope :D

[cerulean wadi]

It's just progress, that 12gen is a better buy.

[naive pendant]

fr

[grizzled bloom]

Both 11900k and 11700k are garbage and should not be considered

[naive pendant]

yeah i never did

[cerulean wadi]

10gen missing out on the 1 m.2 slot stinks, but oh well. not like many of us are gonna have more than 2 m.2 drives in 1 pc I bet.

[naive pendant]

I plan on making a fully decked out pc (nothing like a 3090 or i9 but and i7 and 3080 ti)

[grizzled bloom]

10700k is actually able to match or beat 11700k in most tasks, and 11900k loses badly to 10900k in stuff that matters

[naive pendant]

thats hilarious, intel made a mistake lol

[grizzled bloom]

For gaming, the 12700k or even 12600k are better choices. Pair with DDR4, to avoid early adopter issues.

[naive pendant]

thats what im doing, 4x8 32GB CL16 3600mhz

[ember marten]

Get 2x16 Crucial 3600 cl16

[naive pendant]

well i have the ram already

[grizzled bloom]

Respectable memory. Good balance on cost and performance.
Yes 2x16 is technically easier for IMC but the 12th gen can handle it.

[cerulean wadi]

hmm, should I cancel my order of ballistix to save $7 on another color? I didn't notice that the white kit was $115 but other kit was $122.

[naive pendant]

ive had it for awhile I would need to stop by my office to get it but I have it

[naive pendant]

if no cancel fee and the $7 is worth it sure but as long as it is the same specs

[grizzled bloom]

If white memory won't stand out too much in your build, sure. But yeah same or better timings.

[cerulean wadi]

idk, everything else is sort of dark probably. both kits are the 3200 C16. Nah, maybe not worry about it.

[naive pendant]

well if its worth it for you its really just how you would want it to look like

[cerulean wadi]

ONly thing light colored being ram would stand out way too bad I figure

[grizzled bloom]

Don't expect to set any speed records with that memory. Depending on the game you might get frame drops and stutters.

[cerulean wadi]

yeah, 3600 C16 is like double the price vs this current sale.

[grizzled bloom]

I've got a 16gb kit like that. It's usable but depends on what you play.

[naive pendant]

how much ram and how many sticks? I can try and find some

also cost

[grizzled bloom]

For most people 32gb isn't worth it anyway

[grizzled bloom]

You can get a low bin b-die 16gb kit for $120 that'll outdo that by a mile

[cerulean wadi]

aim me at one? idk how long I have to cancel though

Like this ?

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MQkgXL/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-4000-cl16-memory-f4-4000c16d-16gvk

I think that one is b-die or rev.e, either way awesome die

[naive pendant]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232907?Item=N82E16820232907
32 GB 3600mhz CL16

[cerulean wadi]

ty . I submitted the cancel request. I partly like 2x16 because then later on I don't have to worry about 4x8 acting up. I currently have 32GB even if it doesn't overall help me much now.

[grizzled bloom]

Confirmed 100% b-die

[cerulean wadi]

which is better? I'm not a crazy OC'er but starting w/ that stock clock/timings is good for sure

[grizzled bloom]

4000 c16 is insane, to the point where you might not be able to run it on some board/cpu combos

[cerulean wadi]

The Gaming Force should handle it though, at least 2x8 probably

yep.... lol

[grizzled bloom]

The best I could do with my b-die kit on amd was 3800 14-15-14, and that's with "unsafe" voltages

The good thing about b-die... There isn't really an unsafe voltage. I've seen them do benchmarks at 1.7v

[cerulean wadi]

I see, dang, going a ways above jedec for ddr3. Seems overall AMD is more finicky about high ram speeds though

[grizzled bloom]

Jedec ddr4 is a joke by now. Much like jedec ddr5 isn't any better than a half decent ddr4 kit.

[cerulean wadi]

Many reviews act like 3600 C16 is the big sweet spot. even at stock 4000 CL16 should be nice (or lower speed and adjusted timing)

[grizzled bloom]

The reason amd is more picky is due to the infinity fabric on the cpu. It runs at a speed 1:1 with the memory, and going too high it gets unstable. You can desync it but you'll have a massive latency penalty.

[cerulean wadi]

z590 this time.

[grizzled bloom]

Intel doesn't have the same concerns. Worst case you switch command rate to 2T. At 4000 speed it's probably running on gear 2 already by default.

[ember marten]

rkl and ADL need gear2 after 4266

which is similar to running desynced on AMD, but not quite as bad

[cerulean wadi]

What do you think w/ 10gen by chance?

[ember marten]

10th gen is fine, if you have a good enough IMC

no desync shenanigans

[grizzled bloom]

Ah it was 4266? I knew it was around there somewhere.
Even at 4000 c16 it can do gear 1?

[cerulean wadi]

I think z490 doesnt support 11 gen, but z590 can take all 10/11 in lga1200 huh? EDIT. Already have z590 mobo btw. thnx for info.

[grizzled bloom]

Z490 can do 11th gen with bios update

[ember marten]

my 12700k tops out at 3900 G1 1T. Might be able to do higher with 2T, haven't tested yet

(without bCLK tweaking)

[grizzled bloom]

Interesting. And that's the same imc as 11th gen.

[cerulean wadi]

Any idea about what this is? Since it's c18, but 4K instead of 3600 that's common.

[grizzled bloom]

Not a very good bin, that's what it is. 18-22-22 is pretty bad, but still better than 3600 18-21-21

[ember marten]

I would guess hynix or mid-bin RevE

[grizzled bloom]

It's g.skill, I haven't seen them use too many micron dies

[cerulean wadi]

oh yeah I quickly read a bit and people say it's lower binned samsung B-die or something. Just took a glance at it.

[grizzled bloom]

Careful looking at those Amazon reviews, they show reviews for other models too

No way is it b-die under $100

[cerulean wadi]

Indeed, I was on a couple forums. NE canceled my order so I can pick again. Probably the 4K-C16* you showed.

[lusty tartan]

That would be a good ram selection

At least I think so

[cerulean wadi]

Something interesting, a 4x8 kit I just saw is cl17 instead of 16, no doubt the extra strain (on IMC?) from either 4 sticks or double capacity per stick. ----Yep, 2x8 seems like the pick tonight

[lusty tartan]

Yes 2x8 is what I would go with as well

[cerulean wadi]

Floppa doesn't need to see these msgz.

[foggy zephyr]

Hello and Happy new year,

im looking to upgrade the ram in my PC i currently have 2 4gb sticks. i was looking at the G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB. but im scared that its not the correct one that is compatible with my PC. im hoping to run this by someone before purchasing. i currently am on an intel 17 7700 processor, i believe my motherboard is an ASUStek H110m-3/m.2. if the product i picked is not correct is there one that can be recommend to me that will work with my computer? sorry if this is not a good place to ask, im not the best at knowing the in and out of computers.

[wheat salmon]

The H and B series motherboards (unless it's B560 or B660) has ram locked at 2400 or 2666 mhz frequency, i7-7700 is a bit older ddr4 though and only supports 2400mhz speed. Luckily ram you purchase is backwards compatible down to 2133mhz so anything you buy now a days should work. Check the maximum ram capacity of your H110 motherboard though

To see how many GB you can add

[cerulean wadi]

2x16GB + 2x8GB is a sketchy combo though.

[wheat salmon]

I did 2x4 + 2x2 for a long while and it worked

[foggy zephyr]

i dont think i have 4 slots on my motherboard so this is to replace the current 16gb i ahve

[cerulean wadi]

People will have to think when they mention 40GB in PC

[wheat salmon]

As long as you make sure the timings and frequencies are good it's good enough to limp along

[foggy zephyr]

okay thank you for clarifying

[wheat salmon]

Oops misspoke I mean "the same"

[hollow thorn]

The mobo page kinda sucks, looks like just 2133 support?

[wheat salmon]

Oof

[hollow thorn]

dunno, the page is just really bad

[wheat salmon]

Lol

[hollow thorn]

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/PRIME/H110M-E-M-2/

[cerulean wadi]

ah 5 days left! Did see 10600KF brand new on NE/amazon for $210 though. hmm?

[wheat salmon]

Or i5-10400 for $156 (more cores, faster speed)

Than the i7-7700

Oh wait I'm dumb

Lol

Ignore me

[cerulean wadi]

No MC near, tons of people get like a 10700K for $200 even.

[wheat salmon]

I thought we were still discussing 7700

[vast meadow]

Have a look on r/hardwareswap btw

[cerulean wadi]

oh man a month ago someone sold a new 10700K for $162. (after they got it from an MC grand reopening.) - EDIT: many on there are $240ish shipped. I'm lookin.

[wheat salmon]

73°C stabilized in prime95 isn't bad for a R9 5900x right?

[grizzled bloom]

73 on p95 is excellent

I have a hard time staying under 90 on my 5800X

[wheat salmon]

On air 👌

[vast meadow]

im guessing you dont have pbo on then?

[hollow thorn]

which p95 test, blend isn't aggressive at all, smallfft is what gets hot

[wheat salmon]

Nope it's stock besides 1900fclk

Small FFT

[vast meadow]

ahh yeah that would explain it, you should turn on pbo, missing out on extra perf

[hollow thorn]

oh stock

stock likes to boost lower

[wheat salmon]

Just tweaked my fclk and ran p95 to check stability

[hollow thorn]

for testing fclk, largefft is probably going to better for that

[wheat salmon]

Ah

Well I did 8hrs small FFT and no WHEAs

Would errors show up in large fft that would be missed by small fft?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[wheat salmon]

Oki I'll try it overnight tonight

[hollow thorn]

smallfft stresses core, largefft stresses memory controller

[wheat salmon]

Aaah ty

[faint ferry]

I experience low gpu and cpu usage when playing. I have a 6700xt and 5800x with PBO enabled. Anyone know a fix to this?

[grizzled bloom]

What's your memory?

[hollow thorn]

And what game?

[faint ferry]

3600Mhz 32gb Corsair CL18
Happens mostly on Rust

[hollow thorn]

what res and what kind of usage are you looking at?

[faint ferry]

1920x1080. CPU is around 30% and GPU fluctuates at 30-60%

FPS stays the same on low and high settings

[grizzled bloom]

Is that single core or overall cpu?

[hollow thorn]

CPU usage sounds about right, Rust doesn't do multithread too well (Assuming overall)

[faint ferry]

alr

[faint ferry]

I assume that I have one core being used max and the rest are low

[grizzled bloom]

If that's the case you have a cpu bottleneck. How's your temps and frequencies on cpu?

Some games will just heavily hit one thread with a couple lighter threads, and barely use the gpu past a point.

[hollow thorn]

btw what kind of fps are you looking at

[vast meadow]

Make sure it's nothing weird settings wise in the game too

[faint ferry]

temps are 60 - 70c and max ghz for 1 core is 3.9ghz and the rest are low or "sleep"

I get like 120 fps on all low and high settings

[grizzled bloom]

1080p tends to rely more on the cpu as well. Higher resolutions tax the gpu a lot more.

[hollow thorn]

yea could be cpu bound

[grizzled bloom]

Whoa 3.9ghz is way too low

[hollow thorn]

maybe try no pbo

[grizzled bloom]

You should be hitting 4.6ghz at that temp

[hollow thorn]

perhaps you had some pbo settings that you accidentally changed at some point

[faint ferry]

alr

i disabled pbo and it boost my fps by like 20 fps, all cores are being used now but are all under 4ghz. would overclocking fix this?

saw this from ryzen master

[vast meadow]

dont use ryzen master

i would enable pbo in bios and enable motherboard limits

[faint ferry]

Im on CPU-Z rn and it says my channel for memory is dual but I have 4 sticks of memory, you think this is the problem, perhaps those extra 2 sticks werent compatible?

because i bought 2 packets of 2x8

instead of one single 4x8

or how can I make sure all cores are being used to their expected ghz

since thats whats causing the fps to be low

I have some cores high and some low

[vast meadow]

nope theres only 2 channels, the other 2 slots are daisy chained

[faint ferry]

Wait

In my bios it says target CPU speed is 3800mhz

How do i fix this

Maybe this is why my cpu speed is low

Nvm

[wise quest]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/233565545521463/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post

If it’s still available, is this a good deal? I’m trying to make a NAS server and am looking for parts/a whole computer for it. I already have a hard drive.

[hoary jackal]

well, thanks but it seems they gave up on this motherboard chipset in 2015

[limpid gulch]

putting this here bc ive waited 40 minutes for a response in #old-cooling and havent even seen anyone typing there

ive been playing roblox all day long and these are my temps and im just now realizing that i should either get a new cpu cooler or new thermal paste. which one should i get?

62℃ for cool people

[hoary jackal]

143?

ah 62

[limpid gulch]

℉

142f

[hoary jackal]

you have the stock cooler?

[limpid gulch]

yeah i havent put thought into a new cooler

what makes it more complicated is i have a slimmer computer

instead of around 7 inches thick its around 4

[hoary jackal]

ah I know those PCs

[hoary jackal]

the stock cooler is more than enough for my i7 2600, doesn't really get hot

i see you have a 4770k

[limpid gulch]

this cpu and the stock gpu has been through hell and back

[hoary jackal]

you have a better CPU than me, and I have a better GPU than you lol

[limpid gulch]

the gpu got overclocked when i changed some settings even though thats pretty much impossible

but what i want to know is should i replace the thermal paste or the cooler

[hoary jackal]

I overclocked my gtx1050ti and it gets to like 78-80 degrees max

[limpid gulch]

ive never touched the thermal paste before

and the cooler is like some really crappy cooler that needs this plastic shroud around it, i dont know how to describe it

[hoary jackal]

you could try looking for a skinny cooler thats better than the stock one

[limpid gulch]

it looks kinda like this but it isnt disgusting

you can see the plastic shroud around the cooler

what is its purpose

i wanna know that

[hoary jackal]

maybe so it only sucks in cold air to blow on the heatsink

[limpid gulch]

so a piece of plastic with foam will filter the hot and cold air?

[hoary jackal]

to a degree

you're not dealing with really hot air

[limpid gulch]

probably to keep the air from the exhaust fans from sucking out all the air going through the cpu cooler

but that wouldnt make sense because there isnt an exhaust fan

[hoary jackal]

you could try to take it off

[limpid gulch]

if its there it has to have a purpose so i dont really want to mess with it

again do i try getting a cpu cooler or a tube of thermal paste

[hoary jackal]

try a cpu cooler

if you dont find a better one that fits, try replacing the fan

[limpid gulch]

thats going to be really hard for me to get my hands on but ill attempt to get one

[hoary jackal]

you could also buy a used one

[limpid gulch]

good idea

[hoary jackal]

and Changing the thermal paste isn't that expensive

or, I have an idea

[limpid gulch]

i know but ive only seen a tube of thermal paste pretty much never

and ive only seen thermal paste in the old family pc that nobody has used in two years

[hoary jackal]

get a good cooler, even if it doesn't fit, cut a hole through the panel so it can stick out

[limpid gulch]

????

how am i going to cut a hole in my side panel

[hoary jackal]

or just remove it

[limpid gulch]

remove the side panel entirely?

[hoary jackal]

why not

[limpid gulch]

that is the worst idea ever and i make some pretty bad ideas

[hollow thorn]

Fan ducts like that can help temps, a conventional application for example here
https://youtu.be/57voVXMWjW8

[limpid gulch]

i plugged two 9 volt batteries together to see what they did and thats a better idea

[faint ferry]

https://gyazo.com/1f75b127c70e4b1ea3c48d3ab9164ba3
is the only way to fix this is too overclock the core ratio

[limpid gulch]

what socket

[hollow thorn]

What

[hollow thorn]

No, they're just idling

[limpid gulch]

what socket

[hollow thorn]

If you're really bothered by your CPU idling just use smth like throttlestop

[hoary jackal]

isn't it just a fan

[hollow thorn]

What

Are you asking for a cooler suggestion?

[limpid gulch]

even while running a few small programs + discord and chrome this is still my temp

55℃ bc im a loser that cant spell farenhiet

[hollow thorn]

Please just use celsius

It makes everyone's lives easier

[limpid gulch]

ok

[hollow thorn]

Also, might also be a better idea to use smth like hwinfo64 instead of whatever that is

[limpid gulch]

ive been trying to look at some coolers for something this size and all i see are pictures of my pc and this

[hollow thorn]

Understandable

[limpid gulch]

i get why bc this was a refurbished pc

[naive pendant]

Alright I am picking out a LGA1700 mobo and was wondering out of these boards which is the best for a i7 12700K paired with 32 GB 3600 mhz CL16 4x8 ram

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z3ddnQ/gigabyte-z690-ud-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-ud-ddr4

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GvmmP6/msi-pro-z690-a-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-ddr4

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q8XJ7P/gigabyte-z690-gaming-x-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-gaming-x-ddr4

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pgKKHx/gigabyte-z690-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4

ram and now cpu are bought already

[rigid condor]

Get the Asus z690-e

It’s ddr5 and pcie 5

Wait nvm you have ddr4

[cursive epoch]

I would do whatever's cheapest

It doesn't matter, any z690 works as well long as it ain't biostar

[merry prawn]

I’m having some trouble with my ram, I changed the frequency in the bios from the 2133mhz to its advertised 3600mhz and it’s making an electric buzzing noise when in game

[cursive epoch]

that's coil whine

definitely not from ram tho

ram has no coils lel

[merry prawn]

Why’d it only start when I changed the ram frequency though?

More draw?

[cursive epoch]

yeah, higher voltage

it's annoying but harmless

[merry prawn]

Ok, so i just tested it out in a match and it’s not that bad, but in the lobby, it’s really bad

But it’s from the psu though right?

Not the gpu?

[cursive epoch]

it could come from anything

psu, mobo, or gpu

[merry prawn]

I just thought it was the psu because the gpu didn’t make any noise before the ram frequency change, I played a couple matches no problem

Is there a way of trying to reduce it and could I warranty it for the issue

[limber dragon]

faster ram -> cpu can do more -> gpu can do more

[merry prawn]

Oh ok

[cerulean wadi]

Coil whine (on gpu) is sometimes more noticed at super high fps or something like that.

[merry prawn]

So I could try reducing the game quality to draw less power?

It’s on ultra right now but it’s an older game so it didn’t really do that much to start with

[vernal cosmos]

Z690 ddr4 gigayte ram training go brrrrrr

[merry prawn]

Ok so it changed the pitch but it’s still there

[cursive epoch]

then it's gpu

[cerulean wadi]

Fps limiter (with afterburners rtss would be good)

[cursive epoch]

the way to limit coil whine is usually to cap fps

like mentioned above lel

my laptop does have a very faint coil whine when it's charging

only noticeable with the laptop's off tho

[cerulean wadi]

Gtx 260 had massive coil whine at 200+ fps (older games duh)

[merry prawn]

Ok but not every game has that option though

[cerulean wadi]

Afterburner, get the rivatuner statistics server thing open & use it to cap fps to below 200 and/or a few fps above your refresh rate. Not at pc for a bit.

Gear (settings button), check in there.

[merry prawn]

Yeah got it

It’s actually almost silent now

[cerulean wadi]

RTSS is the best fps limiter in my experience

[merry prawn]

Still a faint buzz but not nearly as bad

[cerulean wadi]

then you can maybe turn vsync totally off or adjust it to a certain setting, like simply "extra frames are dropped"

[merry prawn]

That was already off

I’m the game at least

In*

How do I turn on the frame rate in the on screen display

I was able to get the temp but I don’t even remember how I did that lol

[cursive epoch]

you can go into afterburner

i kinda forgot, buuuut

yt should help

[cerulean wadi]

think ive messed w/ AB a bit? haha

@merry prawn

[merry prawn]

Ok I got it

Thank you for the help guys

I was starting to panic about rma-ing my gpu 😅

[cerulean wadi]

i know theres tons of settings to fuss with for ab/rtss. For now i also have hwinfo doing some osd stuff at same time.

[warm bolt]

For some reason my pc keeps running bad every once in a while like when my old cpu used to get throttled but it is only running on 15-30% usage. The only thing I notice is that the frequency is showing at like 130% could that be the cause?

Like my stats will literally be somewhere around this and it will be running slow and pausing for a few seconds.

[vernal cosmos]

Cpu and ram?

@warm bolt

[warm bolt]

I mean that is just the basic task manager stats.

@vernal cosmos

This is where I am having issue.

[vernal cosmos]

Thats just boosting

Over base clock

What cpu and ram you got

I could try to explain the stutters

[warm bolt]

12700k and gskill 4000 mhz 16 cl

Adn my pc is running like sht rn.

Not even running much.

[vernal cosmos]

Dont evade the filter please

[warm bolt]

And my pc is running like 💩 rn

emoji is good

[vast meadow]

Did you mount your cooler properly?

[shy wyvern]

Restart. It's a bug with alderlake that occasionally happens with the windows 11 scheduler. It causes the CPU to use ecores only. Go into task manager and click on advanced than processes then right click the CPU and click logical cores

If the last 4 cores are the only things being used restart the PC

Happens to me at around 1/3 of boot ups

But I can usually tell from how long it takes to get into windows

[cerulean wadi]

12400 is gonna be the A.L. to skip. Deffo happy with lga 1200 now

[finite elm]

Which did you get?

[cerulean wadi]

If I went w/ ne/zon & current pricing(dang 11gen price jumped up so idk). 3-4 days left on 10700k listings, & r/hardwareswap needs a bunch of luck.

[finite elm]

Oh good luck

[summer nexus]

so basically i have 16gb of 3000mhz ram, should i buy the same kit and have 32gb of 3000mhz ram, or should i toss the 300mhz and just go with 16gb 3200mhz

i find myself at 50% ram usage without even running games

i have a ryzen 5 2600x and a rx 570 8gb if that helps at all

[vast meadow]

you should buy neither if youre only at 50% ram usuage

just leave as is

[summer nexus]

yea but thats without running games

if i run a game im max ram

[vast meadow]

oh

misread

what sticks do you have?

[summer nexus]

and i often leave game open when im multitasking

[devout moth]

Feyhe#6969 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[summer nexus]

oops

oloY shii ram

https://www.amazon.com/OLOy-288-Pin-Desktop-Gaming-MD4U083016BJDA/dp/B083NPX9TJ/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3DQQPRP9UFZD0&keywords=oloy&qid=1641153134&sprefix=oloy%2Caps%2C81&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyUzYxV1NUNDAxMUZLJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjI2Njg4RU5KNTdSS1hJOVMmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDk1NjI5MUJJMThZMlBIV1EwVCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

[vast meadow]

Yeah you should be fine running the same kit just run test mem 5 extreme anta once you get it to make sure stable

[summer nexus]

so better to double ram than increase 200mhz

[vast meadow]

No real difference between 3000 and 3200

[cerulean wadi]

6 % more ram bandwidth by itself is like 1% fps increase (imo)

[limpid gulch]

why is there a shroud around my cpu cooler

[naive pendant]

Wait, EVGA made a second am4 motherboard?
I saw lots of people talking about EVGA x570 dark but they did an x570 ftw also and I didn't know it until I just saw somebody trying to sell one

[vast meadow]

Yeah stupid pricing tho

[naive pendant]

Gonna build my son a PC for his birthday
Trying to decide if I want to get him an am4 CPU and let him use my old motherboard, or get him an old Intel ddr3 platform, since I can get him like a 4690k with a motherboard and ram for the same price as like an athlon 3000g without any ram
Or, third option, I can just upgrade my CPU and give him my 3600.
I don't think my fiancee would really like me buying a 5800x just to build our son a PC he's hardly gonna use anyway though

[cursive epoch]

what cooler do you have?

[limpid gulch]

sorry for being really late, ive had a busy day, but i dont know

this is a picture of basically the same cooler

not mine

[cursive epoch]

oh lol

well it's for airflow

in oem machines

[limpid gulch]

im also super concerned because ive been letting my pc cool off but i forgot to turn it off. it hasnt been running anything, just running chrome and discord, and the temperatures stay in the upper 40 degrees.

[cursive epoch]

that's normal

40c is fine for idle

[limpid gulch]

im just concerned as this is getting old

and the thermal paste has never been changed

[limpid gulch]

but if 40c is normal is around 70c normal for playing games with pretty much the same graphics as roblox right after startup normal

[cursive epoch]

well

that's also not bad

[limpid gulch]

after startup?

seems pretty fast for it to get that warm'

[cursive epoch]

as cpu load goes up

so does temp

it doesn't sound wrong to me

as long as it doesn't heat up too much it's fine no matter how quickly it does that

[limpid gulch]

alright i guess but imma keep an eye on these temps bc i dont trust the cooler at all

[warm bolt]

Aww fr? That sucks.

[warm bolt]

Yeah it's not overly hot. Well no more than usual what you guys told me was fine.

Yeah so I don't really know much about max frequency but why am I shooting above 100% max frequency literally just with VMware and a game launcher open with no game or VMs running?

Like this is what it is showing rn with next to nothing running.

[cursive epoch]

it's boosting

that 111% is its boost clock over base clock

normal cpu behavior

[warm bolt]

Ok so where would I see when it is potentially bugged out from ecores and the scheduler then when my pc is running really bad but only using like 15% cpu and 20-30% memory?

[cursive epoch]

i honestly unno

[warm bolt]

I mean if that is the issue. I'm just trying to figure out why my brand new cpu is acting like my old 4 core cpu that was getting hard throttled at 15% usage.

[cerulean wadi]

Heck, run cinebench or 3dmark with task manager open then could compare performance to similar rigs. (Ignore any gpu scores of course)

[shy wyvern]

Go into like the performance view on normal task manager and go look at what cores are active

[cerulean wadi]

yep, like so. poor me w/ only 4 total cores or threads, (for now, 16 threads here I come).

[vast meadow]

Sounds like you should go 4690k

[cyan raft]

I’d say the third option is the best one for you

[valid pebble]

what does thermal paste taste like?

am gonna find out

yucly

[regal lichen]

I havent seen DDR5 go on sale, is this a ok deal? https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374305?Description=ddr5&cm_re=ddr5-_-20-374-305-_-Product

too bad the 6000 speed isnt on sale

[cursive epoch]

not bad

for what it is that is

[vast meadow]

Annnnd oos

Don't waste your time trying to get ddr5

[devout moth]

cheetos#0827 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[misty obsidian]

Garbage quality picture but my lga1700 finally came in the mail a month later

CPU currently mounted with the regular old Lga bracket that fits 1155, 2011 etc

largened the mounting holes with a drill bit to make it somewhat fit

proper bracket is a nice to have at this point xD

one of the mounting screws is a bit crooked but 3 out of 4 are nicely straight

[misty obsidian]

CPU bracket installed, didn't have any thermal paste so I used mayo

[vast meadow]

You gotta be joking

[misty obsidian]

ahahah yeah, about the mayo but not drilling the bracket

[vast meadow]

Good, mayo was the bit i was worried about lol

[misty obsidian]

but for real, making a grill cheese sandwich and coating the outside with mayo makes it insanely crispy and tasty

maybe it would make my CPU more crisp

there's a mode in my BIOS that makes all the CPU p-cores ramp up to the same clock at the same time, wondering if I should turn that on

haven't tried any overclock settings yet, getting ~75c after an hour of prime95

less than 75c actually

[grizzled bloom]

Having all the cores at max frequency like that will make it run hotter when gaming or doing other things that don't use every core. It would only potentially be useful for editing or benchmarking.

[misty obsidian]

Alright, trying out +1 boost ratio to all cores

Without the "all cores at same boost" mode

[misty obsidian]

pato being the sandwich police right there

[vast meadow]

No that was too the crisp cpu lol

[shy wyvern]

Finally, I can give my 12600k 800 watts

16 CPU power pins!

[finite elm]

Hows your 3070?

[shy wyvern]

Great honestly

I'm not longer at 30-45 fps at ultra

[finite elm]

Why are you playing on ultra

[shy wyvern]

Because I'm addicted to visuals

I'd rather have locked 30fps with everything cranked up

(45 for first person faster paced stuff)

Hence why 2060 big garbage

[shy wyvern]

800 watt potential now

Also the 8 pins are in there correctly, the pins are soldered at an angle compared to each other because MSI quality control be jank

That 10 degree angle of each drives me crazy now that I've noticed it

[cerulean wadi]

Looks like a couple ports on my psu also. Also, hmm

[summer nexus]

ooooh

i5 11400 only 190

might have to cop

[cerulean wadi]

Idk if I want pciE 4 ssd support & the top m2 slot or the 600K 😅

[sweet urchin]

is teh ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS any good

[finite elm]

11400 vs 10600k?

[cerulean wadi]

Yep. Whatcha think? Obviously K cpu + Z590 would decide the choice for many people. NE/Amazon would be much easier/quicker than hunting a possibly used i7 😅

[finite elm]

Why not go for the best of both worlds and get a 11600k? ;P

[cerulean wadi]

You're right, actually just double checked & $28 more is close enough. Not on NE though . Gonna see if a localish place can price match also for a quicker pickup. 🤘

[shy wyvern]

11600k is big sad compared to 12600k

too bad 12th gen is so expensivfe

[shy wyvern]

Honestly, if you're doing this, I'd keep entering shuffle and trying to get a gpu + z590 combo lol

[cerulean wadi]

I might, but I already have a good mobo that was $65-off & yesterday ordered a decent priced set of 4000c18 ram 👍

[trim galleon]

Ok so I ordered a new motherboard but then remembered that I would need a new product key for windows 10 because my current one is OEM and can’t be reused. Where can I find windows keys?

[cerulean wadi]

Try em 1st, pretty sure my key was oem. Either way windows activated easily just by logging into main ms account

[cursive epoch]

rather wait for 12400 :p

it's coming soon

[grizzled bloom]

11600k is the highest tier 11th gen worth getting. It's actually a little better than 10600k, has the 11th gen benefits like gen 4 pcie, and the best of the integrated graphics for the socket.

[summer nexus]

10600kf vs ryzen 5 5600x

[grizzled bloom]

10600kf is lower price for almost as good performance, but for raw power 5600X is better

[cerulean wadi]

Hopefully retail reviews get better. ES didn't look good

[halcyon relic]

how much do used r7 3700x go for?

[rigid condor]

Is it ok for me to put ram in my motherboard when it’s in the case

I worry about breaking the board

[cerulean wadi]

[vast meadow]

In most games it's identical to high and looks basically like low or medium anyway lol

[vast meadow]

Been like that for ages, no rush

[vast meadow]

You should be able to reuse if you link your Microsoft account to your windows account

[cerulean wadi]

Welp, I bought the 11600K. Might not arrive for 3 weeks. Cooler will be FS140.

[burnt spear]

how much?

[cerulean wadi]

The average 230+tax, but 5% back later by using a certain card. $28 over that 10600KF seemed worth it. I'm really interested in testing out some 4GHz ram, even if I end up just putting it at 3600 c15 or thereabouts.

[young cedar]

most of the 12th gen isnt even "that" expensive, the 12600k is a good price but its an oof when you realise the mobo cost nearly the same as the cpu

[cerulean wadi]

Plus, most of em use ddr5.

[vast meadow]

nah about 50/50 but ddr5 bad ddr5 is more expensive than good ddr4 so we'd be recommending ddr4 anyway id reckon

[limber dragon]

looks at my 12600k, 2 $500 mobos and 2 kits of ddr5

[shy wyvern]

That's what I meant, motherboard entry points are garbage rn

[vast meadow]

msi a pro is nice

[shy wyvern]

It's honestly a great board

I also had the z370 a pro before this

They make great entry level boards for whatever chipset

[cerulean wadi]

$100ish would be entry level price, lol

[shy wyvern]

Well

For z690 its a great entry level price

[vast meadow]

ryzen 7000 ihs

[finite elm]

Pretty

[vast meadow]

Ehhhh

[finite elm]

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-12400f-core-i5-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118360?Description=12400f&cm_re=12400f-_-19-118-360-_-Product&quicklink=true

179????

[burnt spear]

did yall see the 6000 series apu perf amd announced at CES?

said up to 2x the perf as 5000 series

[burnt spear]

the 6800u supposedly gets 59 fps on far cry 6 with fidelity fx

they can also do rtx, though i wouldnt reccomend it lmao

[burnt spear]

ooh

[finite elm]

I3 12100F is 129$ 😮

[burnt spear]

thats amazing

[finite elm]

quad cores are back 😄

[burnt spear]

how does the 12100f perform?

[finite elm]

I dunno

but unlike the 3300x or 5300g this one is available

[burnt spear]

according to a quick google search it beats 10400 in gaming

[cerulean wadi]

Undercutting 10/11400 by a few bucks is good at least

[vast meadow]

uhhhh is that supposed to be out yet?

[finite elm]

Apparently

12100f, 12400, 12400f all available right now on newegg

[vast meadow]

pog

12700 no?

[burnt spear]

those prices are amazing

[finite elm]

12700F, 12700KF, 12600KF and 12900KF are also available

I didn't know if they were new or not

[vast meadow]

very b&h much wow

[vast meadow]

i cant find it anywhere else but preorder b&h lol think wegg might have accidentally listed now instead of later/tomorrow or something

[finite elm]

So what you're saying is I should buy it? ;P

[cerulean wadi]

Haha uhd 730? Wth intel

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-tribbiani-matt-leblanc-no-no-no-what-nooo-friends-gif-23100615

[cerulean wadi]

Yes

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/mmhmm-okay-david-schitts-creek-yes-gif-13159867

[finite elm]

Nah I don't need it.

[cerulean wadi]

Almost equals 12600 w/ E-cores disabled?

[finite elm]

wanna get a smaller GPU first before I worry about doing another build.

[vast meadow]

Probs games very similar

I'm tempted

[cerulean wadi]

Yep, and won't have the quirk of ever using E-core instead of P-core. I'll be watching for reviews.

[glass plover]

How about those new amd cpus

[vernal cosmos]

All laptop

Except for the 5800x 3d

[glass plover]

so if I have a 3700x

no upgrade

yet anyway

[vernal cosmos]

5600x/5800/5900x/5950x/5800x 3d

are all upgrades

5600x for gaming

[vast meadow]

Well depending on game 5800x3d

Although 12400 is on wegg

[shy wyvern]

12400f for 170-180 is insane

[vernal cosmos]

nah across all of em

5800x3d beats a 3700x at everything

[vast meadow]

Ohh yeah but you said 5600x for gaming and tbh i dont think they should downgrade cores either

[vernal cosmos]

5600x ties with a 3700x multi core and beats in single core so technically still an upgrade tho

[vast meadow]

Yeah but they might not be as careful of user with closing tabs etc as you or me

[vernal cosmos]

fair

ud be surprised how many things i always have open in the background tho

usually have like 5 chrome tabs open 24/7

and like 22 tray programs

not even joking lmfao

all those are on startup

23 to be exact

actually

its 22

one is the eject thingie

thats a big part of why im upgrading to 32gb ram

i see 7gb used on desktop

on desktop

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

Did you try the rebloat?

Ouch

[vernal cosmos]

oh this is a debloated install

ive just heavily bloated it with use

with programs i need

and stuff for customisation

[vast meadow]

Yeah but did you try debloat script?

[vernal cosmos]

Which one?

[vast meadow]

just paste iwr -useb https://git.io/debloat|iex into PowerShell

[vernal cosmos]

Ive not used that one

Ill try tomorrow

Just got into bed

[vast meadow]

It's decent

[cerulean wadi]

Ok for a daily pc or not really?

[vast meadow]

Yeah main things they git rid of is xbox n stuff heres the github for it they mention what they strip
https://github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater

Yeah you paste the script and it gives you the gui

Run as admin btw

[cerulean wadi]

Ok cool. Don't have tons (important) on my current boot drive anyways. I'll check it out

[vast meadow]

You can blacklist(untick stuff you wanna keep) and then do remove with custom blacklist or whatever

[golden pike]

Hey pato just wanted to drop by and say thanks again. my 128gb DDR4 is running great at 3733mhz and 18 CAS (havent tried lowering that, dunno how really). Looking good, happy with it. System is stable and the ram is fast. Thanks again. It was a good deal for the price too, even though I expected to run at 4000

@vast meadow

[cerulean wadi]

Which ram? I bought some 4000C18 ram but expecting to run at 3800ish for stability

[viral dust]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081XWLQKS/ref=crt_ewc_title_dp_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER tryna get this and i got a PRIME H310-PLUS motherboard wondering if this is good or if theres something else i can get

[grizzled bloom]

H310 is going to be limited to jedec speed memory anyway

It makes zero difference what kit you get

[cosmic matrix]

Anyone recommend a guide video they like for what difference your mobo actually makes in performance?

i.e. motherboard buyers guide

[grizzled bloom]

There's far too many variables to consider for that to be less than an hour long video

The cpu of choice is the biggest factor

Low power models don't need as many power phases or vrm cooling, so you can get away with cheaper boards.

Then there's the chipset to consider, again related to the cpu, especially on intel, and the various features offered by each tier of chipset.

[vast meadow]

Np

[vast meadow]

They're ram was fine it was because they had ryzen

[golden pike]

Sorry i never saw that guy's post

it was G Skill Trident Z 128gb 4000mhz 18 CAS

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4FKHx/silicon-power-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5 just get this kit and save the money

[golden pike]

my 5950x silicon isnt good enough to reach 3800mhz

[cerulean wadi]

Cool. Was just curious because 128GB is quite a bit to hit that speed/CL with. 🤘

[vast meadow]

Yeah loose timings tho

[proud kayak]

Yoo, I've just started looking into building a new pc in the last few days. I'm thinking about getting a 12700k and this mobo https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Z690M-Plus-D4-motherboard-Thunderbolt/dp/B09JRW446Z . My use is 1440 high refresh rate gaming, music production, and light video editing. Does this seem like a good choice? Sorry if dumb question, I've been trying to catch up on what's going on with pc building these days after having not paid much attention in years.

[dense frost]

yes. good start

[vast meadow]

I'd personally opt for one of these
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GvmmP6/msi-pro-z690-a-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-ddr4
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/J9Fbt6/asus-prime-z690-p-d4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-prime-z690-p-d4

But that board will do

[vernal cosmos]

its not the 5950x being bad, its the amount of ram you have

128gb is not easy at all to run

[golden pike]

I did sooo much research that day

[vernal cosmos]

if you run only 16gb or so you will be able to hit 3800 easy

[golden pike]

many forums were stating that the infinity fabrics cant do the 1900mhz on almost all 5950x

but idk

anything

ill take ur word for it

[vast meadow]

Nah it's just not on 128gb

[golden pike]

cuz i did also read more ram is harder to run fast

[vast meadow]

Yeah

[vernal cosmos]

yee

[golden pike]

still worth

i was doing some tests and im happy af with my purchase

happi happi

helps a lot in after effects

[vernal cosmos]

did you run tm5 extreme anta?

[golden pike]

yes

[vernal cosmos]

the whole thing?

[golden pike]

yessir!

[vernal cosmos]

all the way till it finished

Pog

[golden pike]

yep :)

[dense frost]

prime is the same as the one he linked just ATX 😅

[golden pike]

not a single error

hype

[vernal cosmos]

u should be good thrn

[golden pike]

thank you for your help back then!

[vernal cosmos]

Yep no problem

[golden pike]

should I try lowering the CAS or is that not really a thing or worth

i never touched the timing s

know nothing about it

[vernal cosmos]

headphones are out for delivery rn pog

[dense frost]

are they using a mule to deliver them? come on MAN!

[vernal cosmos]

id recommend pulling cas latency down at least

reduce it by 2 and run TM5 overnight

reducing by 1 has no effect on amd unless gdm off

which makes ram harder to run

[golden pike]

dont i have to like

touch all the timings

[vernal cosmos]

so keep gdm on

nah leave it to your board to mem train everything else

[golden pike]

what does lowering the CAS require

like its overclocking technically right

[vernal cosmos]

just get those to as low as is stable

[vernal cosmos]

more voltage if ur die scales well with voltage

[vast meadow]

I'm aware but you get better audio and stuff

[vast meadow]

I helped them with it 🙂

[vernal cosmos]

did you get em to edit config to actually use 128gb ram?

it uses 16 on default extreme anta

[vast meadow]

Doubt they will it's probs some hynix die and already has loose af timings

[vast meadow]

Wait what

Ffs

[vernal cosmos]

noob

[golden pike]

memory was at 100% the whole time

and usin all of it in task manager

idk if that answers ur question

[vernal cosmos]

oh cool so it actually did something smart for once

[golden pike]

i didnt change anything

though

yes

but i def checked and it was at 100 as well as the cpu :D

[vernal cosmos]

lemme just send you an edited one just in case

for future use

[golden pike]

sweet.

yall are the best really

I have every day been grinding solving issues Ive had with this new build

but its lookin and feelin great so far :D

not done yet tho

currently learning more about amperage with my aRGB lights

might blow up the house by accident

lol

[dense frost]

how.. how many RGB lights do you have? 😆

[vernal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/rgb-gif-23738456

[golden pike]

max of like 1200 LEDs

on the high end

high estimate

[burnt spear]

Is intel supposed to have a new igpu for their mobile 12th gen cpus?

If so, will it be able to at all keep up with the rdna2 apus?

[dense frost]

we have to wait for reviews

but my guess is that no, RDNA2 igpus are going to be king of the hill

[burnt spear]

I also wonder what the improvement will be like on 7000 series apus, if they are going to exist

If they do it'll be atleast 18 months before we see them

Itd prolly be about the improvement of 3000 series apu go 5000 series

It's there, but not huge

[dense frost]

The way AMD are going, I dont think desktop APUs are a priority, probably because it will eat into their GPU market. the current track record for APUs based on zen+ and onward is not encouraging

[vast meadow]

770 for the 12500 and up, 730 on the 12400 and down iirc, with the celeron and pentium getting 710

[vast meadow]

Apus for amd have always been a secondary thing afaik

[dense frost]

you're right

[golden pike]

which one am I changing

lol

just the one that says 18 to 16 right?

[vernal cosmos]

try if 16 is stable

I heavily doubt it will be

[proud kayak]

Hey thanks for replying. I'm trying to keep it limited to micro ATX. When you say you get better audio on the Asus PRIME Z690-P, are you referring to the surround sound connections?

[golden pike]

and if not then just leave it all

?

[vernal cosmos]

yeah

or rather

do the next one

as low as it gets

and keep going down the list

for all these

this order

[dense frost]

I feel like this needs to be pinned or something. literally the simplest mem oc instructions I have ver seen.

[vast meadow]

Pretty much, possibly a better chip but if you wanna keep it to matx that's fine then basically no competitors for z690 matx

[proud kayak]

I gotcha. It probably wouldn't be a worse chip than whatever is on this board from 2013 would it? https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GRYPHON-Z87-microATX-Motherboard/dp/B00CRJS6OY

Very much a layperson here, really appreciate the tips

[hollow thorn]

I think Pato meant better sound chip, but well, sound chips don't matter if you use a standalone dac, which you should be doing anyways if you care about audio quality

[burnt spear]

I thought about that a bit ago but completely forgot about it, that's a good point

[hollow thorn]

Anything on z690 is going to beat z87 CPU performance wise anyways

[burnt spear]

Before I saw a leak saying 6000 series was mobile only I was wondering what the point of 6400/6500xt was if an apu performed very similar

[vast meadow]

6400 is oem only btw

[hollow thorn]

Apu doesn't perform that well yet, looking at 5700g for example, still just like a 1030 level

[burnt spear]

Yeah I saw top saying that

[cerulean wadi]

Better in everyway. Onboard sound isn't something to worry about nowadays.

[burnt spear]

6000 series apus are twice as good as 5000 series apus

According to AMD at CES

We still have to wait for real world benches

Supposedly yhe 6800u can run far cry 6 at 59fps with fidelity fx

I forget what settings they said, 1080p

[hollow thorn]

No benchmark numbers no good but well, even if they're dramatically better, I don't see them being better than like 1660 level

[burnt spear]

Neither do I

[hollow thorn]

Which smth like 6500 would be trying to beat

[burnt spear]

But 6500 xt is what, 1660s level? 2060?

[vast meadow]

Tbf 1650 super level is more than plenty for a lot of people tho

[hollow thorn]

Yea it'll be good either way for either product

[burnt spear]

I'm picking up a 6000 series laptop when they're on shelf

Using mining money on it kekw

Currently have 620$ in my acc

[hollow thorn]

Should be fun

[burnt spear]

Yeah im excited to get rid of my school laptop

[vast meadow]

Sure i wanted like a 1660 super or something along those lines and ended up only finding a 3070 lol

[burnt spear]

150$ dell latitude with too many issues to count

[dense frost]

thats what theyre going for. bascially they said "mahjority of users use 580x and 1650, so here is a new version of that"

[burnt spear]

Hoping to find a decent laptop around 700$

Could go up to like 850 tho if I want to

[vast meadow]

Yep

[burnt spear]

Not looking for a dgpu, since I need a decent battery life

[vast meadow]

700 will get you nice laptop tbf

[hollow thorn]

Thing is, it's much easier to get a 3060 new than 2060 new at a good price, and I think AMD is trying to do something similar but with like 580

[burnt spear]

Just depends on pricing on the new apus

And availability

[dense frost]

get a mac if youre not gaming and the apps will allow.

[burnt spear]

I hate macos

And its going to be used for a bit of gaming

[dense frost]

me too, but the M1 macs are unbeatable in daily perfomance

[burnt spear]

Just need smthn that can run val and such

[burnt spear]

And cost a kidney

[dense frost]

ah, okdoki

[burnt spear]

Well

Need is used loosely

[hollow thorn]

M1 performance is good, but again just for Marcos purposes

[burnt spear]

More so am sick of my school laptop and want smthn to run my games if I'm going to be spending the money anyways

[burnt spear]

Marco do be needing high performance

Lol

[vast meadow]

Uhhhhhhh apart from the memory leaks

[hollow thorn]

Marcos good for stuff like photo and video editing, and m1 is good at that

[vast meadow]

Also macos is limiting

[burnt spear]

I hope to God I don't need video editing anytime soon

[hollow thorn]

I know autocorrect is correcting "macos" to Marcos but I'm too lazy to change it now

[burnt spear]

It's so tedious

[burnt spear]

I'm just messing with you lmao

[hollow thorn]

My autocorrect is correcting Marcos

So I'm pointing it out

[burnt spear]

Autocorrect is a pain

[hollow thorn]

Calling it Marcos is kinda fun though

[burnt spear]

6000 series laptops will probably hit the shelf mid-late January, with a wider selection mid February

[burnt spear]

Marcos sounds like an ice cream brand

Idk why

[hollow thorn]

Marcos is a pizza chain

[burnt spear]

Never heard of it

[dense frost]

its also a car?

[hollow thorn]

There was one near where I lived

[burnt spear]

It's also half of a game

[hollow thorn]

Marco also should be a decently common name and therefore a good amount of things named after that

[vast meadow]

Half?

[burnt spear]

Polo

Marco polo

[vast meadow]

🤦

[dense frost]

😆

[hollow thorn]

The explorer?

[burnt spear]

I forget I'm not super active here anymore

I make as many stupid jokes as I can

[hollow thorn]

or the Marco Polo bridge incident?

[burnt spear]

Certain people made sure of that :)

[dense frost]

no no! there are no stupid jokes, just people with no sesne of humour. thats my philosophy

[burnt spear]

I have a sense of humor, it just sucks

[hollow thorn]

Don't need to be active to have fun

[burnt spear]

I kinda miss being active here but when people are going to be rude, disrespectful, and straight up bigoted to your face and then you get told off by an admin it's just not worth it

[hollow thorn]

There's always different sides to everything and one day you might end up opposing the majority

[golden pike]

@vernal cosmos yeah 16 didnt work

So i wont lower my@timings

Its okay

[naive pendant]

Acer swift x

6 hours of gaming performance

Up to 16 not gaming

Prices start at 700$

@burnt spear

[jovial charm]

Does anyone know why my dimm slot 4 ram is making that light? It's just a single red light at the top and bottom of the ram.

[vast meadow]

Icue moment

[vast meadow]

Check icue

[jovial charm]

Icue says it's streaming light to the ram like I have it set to, the lights being shown on the ram does not look like the lights being shown in icue

[vast meadow]

Try restart icue?

[grizzled bloom]

Reseat memory and clear cmos. Memory rgb is always finicky.

[jovial charm]

Is there a way to clear cmos without taking out the mobo battery?

Cause I have a chipset heatsink over my cmos battery.

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, if your board has a clear cmos button or jumper you can turn it off, leave the power supply on, and press/jump for 10 seconds.

[jovial charm]

Okay I'll try that

Doesn't seem to have done anything

@grizzled bloom

[grizzled bloom]

Reinstall icue

If that still doesn't work you'd have to go nuclear and reinstall windows. I had to do that with mine.

[jovial charm]

Okay

This is the longest Uninstall I've ever had.

[cerulean wadi]

Imagine when we only use nvme stuff

[vast meadow]

Sounds like icue lol

[finite elm]

I have 1 Hard drive for bulk storage. other than that I only have SSD's

[jovial charm]

I have a 2tb 980 pro

[cerulean wadi]

Same. $25/TB or less still makes hdd an easy pick for backup/bulk. Will be neat going from sata ssd + hdd to nvme + sata ssd 🤘

[jovial charm]

I haven't installed icue yet, but the lights are still red.

[cerulean wadi]

Probably lucky at least 1/2 of the sticks are working then.

[regal lichen]

Let’s gooo now I just gotta be selected for the 3080 for todays shuffle!!! Then all I need is the Mobo!

[devout moth]

GOJO#9215 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

GOJO#9215 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[lime solar]

my computer wont post, the motherboard is giving a cpu and dram led light, and ive tried everything i found before. anything you smart people here can help me with? im using an asrock b550m pro4, ryzen 5 3600, and 16gb crucial ballistix ddr4 3000
i can send a video if needed

[grizzled bloom]

I'm assuming you've tried clearing cmos already.
Since your board doesn't have flashback you could bring it in to a microcenter or local shop and have them update the bios.

[lime solar]

the closest microcenter is 1300 miles away, and google isnt being very helpful atm but ill see what i can do

[wheat salmon]

Did u try just 1 ram stick or a different cpu?

[lime solar]

ive tried every stick i have in every slot, but i dont have another cpu to test with

im having someone come over tomorrow to take a look at it, but i worst case i need to buy a new cpu and/or mobo, which sucks bc i just got my mobo a week ago

[drowsy elk]

Hey guys, quick question, is there somewhere I can see a compatability list for my motherboard? I think i accidently ordered the wrong processor

[cerulean wadi]

Which mobo?

[shy wyvern]

For all Intel motherboards, search "___ chipssty" (whatever one you got, like b560 for example) and click on the ark.intel link

Then you can scroll down to compatible processors and see all compatible CPUs!

For amd we can just let you know, amd is super cross gen friendly

[vast meadow]

You should be able to return/rma your motherboard you shouldn't have to buy a new one

[naive pendant]

Looking to up my ram to 32gb(2x16gb) I have tuf gaming B460M motherboard with i7. Current ram is 2666mhz. Can I use ram that is 3200mhz? want to make sure before I purchase, thanks for your help.

[vast meadow]

You can use ram that is 3200mhz but it will lock at 2933, what country are you in i can recommend a kit?

[naive pendant]

USA

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DVcG3C/neo-forza-faye-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-nmud416e82-3200dg20 I'd get this

[naive pendant]

thank you for your help

[vast meadow]

Np

[warped geode]

hello, I have a i5-9400f and 1660, and 16 gigs of ram. whenever I play Apex without anything else open (no VB Audiomeeter/Discord/Browsers) I get around 150 fps, but when I open discord, my fps immediately dips and it starts stuttering even with V-Sync. The counter says I get slightly below 60 fps. Is there something that's bottlenecking or a part of my system that's being throttled?

[cursive epoch]

disable hardware acceleration on discord

it could be hogging resources

[vast meadow]

Try changing from gpu acceleration on if it's off, off if it's on, it's in advanced settings

[cursive epoch]

^

[warped geode]

Thanks, will do so

[cerulean wadi]

So many people think it's easier to not tell us which mobo & ask help like this instead of just checking their mobo book or website. 😅

[naive pendant]

Hey so, I'm having a slight issue with my i5-6600k.

It's supposed to turbo boost up to 3.9ghz stock. It does not. It only goes to 3.6ghz under a full load - It's temps are below 40 degrees. I suspect a motherboard issue but HWiNFO won't launch to tell me my chipset - I think it's B250 Chipset.

The motherboard is a Gigabyte B250M-DS3H. Is there a compatibility issue I didn't know about? And is there anything I can do to make my CPU run at it's max performance without buying a new motherboard/CPU?

I'm currently checking for a BIOS update so I'll keep y'all informed.

So, I have found the latest version but I can't update it - It says the program cannot be ran on my PC. Annoying.

Unless... I'm supposed to do this via USB aren't I...

I have a USB hanging around, I'll check

[cerulean wadi]

Bios shouldn't be update within windows. The file is put on a a flash drive then updated from inside the bios. Check cpu frequency settings in bios. I'm also thinking that B250 mobo/chipset is the limiter.

[naive pendant]

I'm thinking Chipset too. But in the overclocking settings in the motherboard itself it allows selecting 39 as the multiplier for the CPU core clock so I'm unsure why it would allow me to select it as an option if it won't actually go that fast

Don't mind me just having minor issues with my USB (I forgot to plug in the USB 3.0 header...)

Just updated the bios to F9

[cerulean wadi]

Tbh bios update might fix it, but might not. Modern cpus are smart & could be a temp issue or mobo/psu not giving enough power. Also TDP is at base clock so that's why I mention it. 39x was on just 1 or 2 cores usually. Anything using 3 or 4 cores might make it run at a lower multi. Base clock is the only guarantee.

[naive pendant]

I have a 750 watt power supply and my old CPU was able to take 120 watts from it no problem, but that was a different generation of cpu entirely, I’ve just updated the bios and it appears I’m no longer stuck at 3.6 - honestly your guess is as good as mine on this one because the ‘updated’ bios was exactly the same as the one that was already on it… it was all default settings before I updated so…

Okay now this is weird

I booted windows and I did see 3.73ghz in task manager. But now I’m hitting it with a load… only 3.57

I’m looking at CPU-Z and it’s telling me the same

So I appear to have a ‘lazy’ cpu lmfao

“But I don’t wanna work that hard…”

[cerulean wadi]

Task manager often doesn't show cpu speed well. You can use cpuz and/or hwinfo64. Oh yeah you mentioned 3.6 full load. Well double check in bios because they don't usually do the full 3.9ghz on all 4 cores when loaded.

[naive pendant]

Hey woah I’m hitting it with a game and not a stress test and now I’m seeing over 3.6ghz. But the CPU utilisation is only 40%??

Im confused I need an adult

So… Less = more?

WAIT NO

Omfg… I know what I’m mistaking here

This CPU only boosts to 3.9ghz on ONE ACTIVE CORE.

[cerulean wadi]

3.9 would be with only 1 or 2 cores used. Doing 3.9 on all cores would need more power than they planned for. Also, that non-Z series mobo is probably holding back the 6600K

[naive pendant]

3.8 on two cores, 3.7 on three cores, and 3.6 on quad core.

I’m actually stupid

I even saw that in the motherboard settings

[cerulean wadi]

Lol, people gotta read it for themselves It's still like this even with 12gen

[naive pendant]

Can I use overclocking to make it go 3.9ghz all core?

Or would I need a different chipset at that point

This is why AMD is better isn’t it lmfao

[cerulean wadi]

Well you can get closer. Should be like me w/ a Z mobo & nonK cpu. Check in bios. You can at least up each setting 2 or 3 multis