cpus-mobo-and-memory

[shy wyvern]

I feel like that may be what they're referring too.

[digital kernel]

He is wrong. There are some specialty thermal solutions that copper coolers can't use, and there are some that non-copper coolers can't use. Like Tulip said, you don't really want to use them for general use

[hollow thorn]

I know you can't use many liquid metal solutions w alum coldplates because gallium doesn't work nice with alum, but not sure of what you can't use with copper

[digital kernel]

You can get some reaction between the copper, liquid metal, and IHS depending on what's in the liquid metal

[cerulean wadi]

Ever seen copper roofing after a while? That's barely an example.

[digital kernel]

Steve tested it and it doesn't seem to affect performance, but it definitely does make things ugly
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3362-how-liquid-metal-affects-copper-nickel-and-aluminum-corrosion-test

[digital kernel]

It's a very different thing going on here

[cerulean wadi]

No doubt. I'd stick to normal mx2/4 myself.

[digital kernel]

Honestly if some comes with the cooler I'd just use that

[shy wyvern]

Or if you want a high performance one, I'd highly reccomend kyronaut, it's what I use and it's a great paste.

[upper rose]

32gb ram gang

[cerulean wadi]

Some would say memtest time. I just run occt and a few others then not worry about it unless I crash in a game. Often no issues unless OCing.

[upper rose]

okay the ram wasnt liked by my other ram so im back to 16gb

[digital kernel]

Dang

[scenic solar]

Hi guys
I'm about to buy new RAM and since 3200 and 3600mhz cost the same, I wanted to know if 3600mhz is good for a Ryzen 2600x/3600

It will boot wit no problems... right?

[vast meadow]

If you mean 3600cl18 just get 3200cl16 as it's usually worse timings on 3600cl18 also 2600x can have problems with 3600, 3200 is a safer bet

[scenic solar]

Thank you

Just bought Corsair vengeance RGB for 79€
(Almost the same price for non-RGB RAMs)

[limpid gulch]

wierd thing is the cpu cooler is also the intake fan

maybe the exhaust i cant tell

[vernal cosmos]

3600c18 beats 3200c16 pretty much across the board iirc

But on a 2600x 3200 better bet for sure

[vast meadow]

If it's tuned alright sure, with the xmp 3600cl18 kits its like 22 22 42 or something

[devout moth]

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[mild jackal]

You're going to want to do 3600+ on zen2 and on

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah absolutely

Zen+ imc kinda icky tho

[devout moth]

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[devout moth]

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[cerulean wadi]

I keep forgetting i blocked the bot

[finite elm]

Oh, you can block the bot. Thanks

[naive pendant]

Amd x670 chipset won't have any itx boards
This is very exciting to me

That potentially means that amd has enough confidence in zen4 that they feel they can leave that entire market segment wide open
Zen4 is looking really promising

[finite elm]

No itx x670? Nooooooo

[hollow thorn]

Or there's going to be more artificial product segmentation

[naive pendant]

Probably. They didn't say there wouldn't be itx b650. Or a620.

[jade bobcat]

Friend is upgrading RAM on an AIO PC. https://secure.mdg.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ItemID=9161&CategoryID=1
Any reason Corsair 16GB DDR4 3200 Desktop memory wouldn't work? Do AIO's take laptop memory?

[finite elm]

Ew a620

[naive pendant]

Just that x670 would be "too feature rich" to fit on an itx platform
Which is basically just a confirmation of what mr1111 said, if you think about it

@jade bobcat it's not gonna run at 3200mhz

And also yes, it's laptop memory. Specs say sodimm

It'll run up to 16gb 240 pin sodimm ddr4 up to 2400mhz.

So stock speed, no larger than 8gb sticks.

And it's laptop memory

[jade bobcat]

Hmm, okay thank you. Glad I asked. Not super familiar with AIO's. I'm finding 260 pin and 204 pin sodimm.

[naive pendant]

I'm an idiot, sodimm is 260 pin on ddr4.

[jade bobcat]

lol all good, I was so lost

[naive pendant]

So yes, 260 pin sodimm ddr4 2400mhz

[jade bobcat]

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Memory-2400MHz-SODIMM-CMSX16GX4M2A2400C16/dp/B019MRBKYG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1HH5TFHKFXT3G&keywords=16gb+ram+ddr4+laptop+2400&qid=1640372652&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A10656894011&rnid=2057428011&s=pc&sprefix=16gb+ram+ddr4+laptop+2400%2Celectronics%2C76&sr=1-4
So this would work?

[naive pendant]

I hesitate to give an unequivocal "yes" because it's an AIO, and QVLs for OEM products like that can be kind of finicky, but it should work. So long as hp didn't decide to just not support those dimms for some reason.
Best way to find out is to try. Worst case return the memory and get another set.
That memory you shared is what I would try first though.

[jade bobcat]

Okay, thank you kindly for the help! Happy whatever you celebrate this season

[naive pendant]

You're very welcome, and happy holidays

[devout moth]

Ramanuj#0491 has been warned

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[cerulean wadi]

Woohoo

[vast meadow]

? that makes no sense, 1 how can that be confirmed, chipset has nothing to do with form factor, thats up to the board partners, 2 whats wrong with having options??

[vast meadow]

they take sodimm memory(laptop) instead of dekstop so it depends what corsair 16gb youre talking about

[vast meadow]

qvls are basically pointless anyway

[naive pendant]

https://today.in-24.com/technology/759853.html

https://youtu.be/2mAKkdy4uzA

Everything I've read said there won't be any itx x670 boards.
At least for a while
🤷‍♂️

[main pulsar]

homie you need to re-evaluate your choice of sources

[naive pendant]

Redgamingtech is a good YouTube channel for hardware leaks
And the other one was a misclick, but it's essentially a copy paste of this techpowerup article

https://www.techpowerup.com/290102/amds-upcoming-x670-chipset-could-be-a-dual-b650-package-very-difficult-for-itx-board-integration

[limber dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-what-confused-meh-gif-13712192

[main pulsar]

hardware leaks are cringe because it doesnt exist yet, so we have no reason to know about it

we'll know when we know

also having a high end amd chipset on an itx board makes zero sense anyway

[naive pendant]

There's a huge difference between leaking projected specs and what this is

[main pulsar]

like what are you doing with all that bandwidth

[main pulsar]

any leaks at all are worthless

we wait until reviewers are able to get non beta, non cherry picked hardware

then its relevant

[naive pendant]

That's just straight up not true lol

[main pulsar]

did that article help you make up your mind on whether or not to get an x670 itx motherboard?

didnt think so

[naive pendant]

I invested in AMD stock based on zen3 leaks back in march 2020 and tripled my investment
Saying leaks are meaningless is ignorant.

This isn't even about projected specs or performance or anything like that, I don't get why you're so adamant about it

One minute you're saying it's not true, the next you're justifying why it could be

I just don't understand why you're so upset

[main pulsar]

? homie youre the one who sounds upset about it

[naive pendant]

Either they'll make itx x670 boards and I'll be wrong, or they won't and you'll be wrong
Who cares

[main pulsar]

i didnt say anything like that

i just said it wouldnt make sense to

they probably will regardless because bigger number equals more better

and people will pay 300 dollars for that

[main pulsar]

meaningless to us

this is a tech discord, not an investment discord

[naive pendant]

Nevermind the fact that leakers had the full specs months in advance of launch, right

[main pulsar]

ok

but i found out the full specs when it was announced

[naive pendant]

GPUs are basically purely hypothetical nowadays anyway, am I not allowed to talk about them either

[main pulsar]

ion even know what that means

[naive pendant]

I mean there's no difference between specs from a leak and specs from a review on a product that you can't get anyway.

[main pulsar]

ok

thats kinda my point. you cant even buy the hardware, so who cares about the specs

the x670 board doesnt exist

when it does exist, ill know about it

[naive pendant]

For all intents and purposes the Radeon 6000 and rtx 3000 launch may as well have been a paper launch for all the product it got into people's hands
What's the difference between a reviewer saying the 3090ti can do 4k 120fps and a leaker saying the 3090ti can do 4k 120fps a few months beforehand
Either way you can't go out and buy one right now

[main pulsar]

you cant

maybe

ive gotten 2 3080s

[naive pendant]

Neither can you, cause the 3090ti isnt out yet

[main pulsar]

many people here have been getting cards

3090ti?

not even a thing

[naive pendant]

Maybe not necessarily under that name, but it is a thing.
Leaks have shown it

[main pulsar]

ok but you couldnt buy one even if you tried so

whether it exists or not doesnt matter to us

if someone came to me and wanted to build a pc for 1200 usd, do you think i would be thinking about leaks?

[naive pendant]

If somebody came to me and said they wanted to wait until next year to build a PC for 1200, do you think I would be thinking about current hardware?

[main pulsar]

i would tell them to think about it when they have 1200 dollars in their pocket next year

and would stop talking to them about it immediately

"wait till next year"

"goodbye"

we do that here all the time

[naive pendant]

That's kind of sad, really.

[main pulsar]

well we cant help them

[naive pendant]

Do you think people like, go to CES to look at last year's tech?

[main pulsar]

and we dont want to waste our time

CES isnt leaks

5head

thats companies showing what they got, whether it comes to market or not is still unknown of course

[naive pendant]

Its essentially the step between the leaks and your reviewers

[main pulsar]

the leaks arent a step

they just exist and we ignore them

[naive pendant]

The leaks are absolutely a step.

[main pulsar]

why tho, what information do you gain

[naive pendant]

Intel amd and Nvidia try to control their leaks to generate interest and investment Capita.
Leaks are a genuine part of the release cycle

[main pulsar]

bro no one cares about investing

[naive pendant]

Not all leaks are staged though

[main pulsar]

we arent here to talk about that

[naive pendant]

It's a tiny part of what I'm saying

[main pulsar]

this is purely about the technical aspect

its all about the consumer

and what they are going to purchase

thats it

[naive pendant]

Well
The consumer wants to know if there's an itx x670 board

[main pulsar]

leaks do not help us in any way in that regard, so we ignore them

they dont need to know that

[naive pendant]

Pardon me, if there's going to be an itx x670 board

[main pulsar]

the x670 board will come when it comes

well ofc there is

its a waste of sand and money

[naive pendant]

It is useful to know

[main pulsar]

asus is gonna make one, sell it for 320, and no one gonna buy it

maybe i should clarify what im saying... leaks do not tell us any useful info that isnt already blatantly obvious

[naive pendant]

X670 is am5
Not having an itx x670 board available may help somebody decide to upgrade to zen3D which is am4 rather than waiting for zen4 am5
Just because it isn't useful information to you doesn't mean it isn't useful information

[main pulsar]

you can wait for better hardware forever

people buy when its convenient for them

[naive pendant]

Completely irrelevant to what we're talking about but ok

[main pulsar]

thats all ive been talking about

[naive pendant]

Then talk about it with someone else who wants to talk about that

[main pulsar]

every one and their mother knows theres gonna be a new chipset, and a new line of cpus, and a new standard of ram

we all know that

[naive pendant]

Two new lines of CPUs, and one new chipset

But continue

[main pulsar]

im not talking specifics

every year

new hardware releases

we know

[naive pendant]

Amd has been on am4 for several years
But continue

[main pulsar]

we dont need a leaker to tell us

[main pulsar]

ok? i just said hardware

i didnt say "the am4 chipset"

[naive pendant]

So if they really dont make an itx x670 board, that just doesn't matter to anybody? Because it doesn't matter
To
You

[main pulsar]

it doesnt matter now

[naive pendant]

That's how the world works? If it doesn't matter to you personally it doesn't matter?

[main pulsar]

it will matter when the release date gets closer

[naive pendant]

What an interesting worldview

[main pulsar]

?

dunno where you got that but OK

[naive pendant]

It must be fun living inside your head. Like the "nothing matters but what exists at this moment" mindset. Can't imagine it's very helpful to a career in technology, but what do I know

[main pulsar]

ok now youre just getting off topic

whered ur argument go

[naive pendant]

You've been on your own topic this whole time

My topic has been itx x670 boards; lackthereof
Yours has been arguing semantics about whether hardware leaks are relevant to a hardware server

[main pulsar]

im talking about how leakers leaking non-obvious information is not useful to the PC community, because the technology doesnt exist yet, so the supposed performance of the 4080 isnt gonna help you make up your mind whether or not to wait for it

[naive pendant]

And what, by any stretch if the imagination, does that have to do with what I'm saying

[main pulsar]

bro i havent been talking about some idiotic x670 itx board

im talking about the concept of leaks

i dont care about your specific example

it was never about the board

im strictly talking about leaks as a whole

[naive pendant]

Nobody else here is on about the concept of leaks, man
It's one specific, channel oriented leak
Go be miserable somewhere else, would you please

[main pulsar]

and giving a few examples

idk im just bored in front of my pc

and youre responding, so im responding

[naive pendant]

Be sure to ping me when Asus makes an itx x670 board. I'll take back everything I said and unsubscribe from all the leakers I follow on social media for you

[main pulsar]

i dont give a damn tho

I was never talking about the board

it never had anything to do with the board

i think you have been misunderstanding me

and vise versa

[naive pendant]

I know you don't
I know you weren't
But I was
And someone else might be interested in knowing that they won't be able to do a high end SFF build on the am5 chipset, and that they may want to use an itx x570 board with zen3D instead

That's all I was getting at
That, and the sheer balls it would take to just abandon that market segment, if it's true

[main pulsar]

the lower end chipsets are a thing

worst case, they make a b650 board or whatever

[naive pendant]

Yes, that's why I said high end

[main pulsar]

do

do you know what a chipset does?

i would take a 300 dollar a520 motherboard over a 150 dollar x570 board

[naive pendant]

Yes
Do you know why there's an x670 and a b650
For that matter, do you know why there's an x570 and a b550

[main pulsar]

yeah, x570 has more USB 3.2 and PCIe bandwidth

uhh

thats like it

x570 also requires a fan

on most boards

[naive pendant]

How many Lanes of pcie 4.0 does b550 get

[main pulsar]

more than any consumer could imagine using

i think its 8 additional?

then like a bunch of 3.0 lanes

but the cpu already has like 24

hence why i said an a520 chipset would even be good for me

actually i would prefer it, lower cost and lower power

this is actually why a $200 X570 board is often worse than a $200 B550 board

chipset pricy

ofc with intel they have always been one to lock features to chipsets

most people dont even overclock anyway

so the differences even with them are irrelevant as well

[naive pendant]

B550 only has 20 4.0 lanes. Enough for a GPU and an nvme.
I see your point about the upcoming gen, since it's still only pcie 4.0, but I only know that because of leaks so

[main pulsar]

wait the b550 chipset has 20 4.0 lanes???

theres no way

[naive pendant]

The chipset itself diesnt

[main pulsar]

oh haha its only got 8 3.0 lanes

[naive pendant]

The platform has 20 lanes to CPU

[main pulsar]

ahh, yeah the cpu

the cpu has 20 lanes

plus the 4 lanes to the chipset

so 24

the chipset takes the 4 and turns it into 8 3.0 lanes, a sata controller, and more M.2

[naive pendant]

No it's only 3.0 to chipset on b550

[main pulsar]

ahh yep

ahh, x570 is 4.0 to compensate for the additional I/O chipset capabilities

still 4 lanes

[naive pendant]

But yeah
So x570 can be a better choice over b550
But frankly with am5 still using pcie 4.0, you have a point about x670 being a waste for itx

[main pulsar]

so the CPU has 24 4.0 lanes

tons of I/O bandwidth here

absolute boatloads

[naive pendant]

But we all know how fanboys like to waste money, so id say it's still somewhat pertinent

[limber dragon]

gimme x670 itx for mem oc

[main pulsar]

no u get atx boards with only 2 slots

[limber dragon]

yeah, and have you seen the choice of am4 atx boards with 2 slots?

[main pulsar]

yeah

[limber dragon]

||there's 1||

[main pulsar]

its that asus board

[limber dragon]

no, its the dark

[main pulsar]

?

so 2

[limber dragon]

asus's is dtx that you're thinking about

its a longer itx

[main pulsar]

nah the 400 dollar one

[naive pendant]

Msi has a 2 dimm unify board on am4 too

[limber dragon]

msi's is b550 u-x

[naive pendant]

Yeah that one

[limber dragon]

or ya know, just go itx

[main pulsar]

msi meg b550, the evga dark, but theres this asus one

its got like an X going through it

[limber dragon]

asus's is dtx

[naive pendant]

Memory overclocking was the only other argument for an itx board I could think of but since I'm not all that into overclocking I didn't feel I should be the one to advocate for it

[limber dragon]

the c8i

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-crosshair-viii-impact/p/N82E16813119208

[main pulsar]

shoot

i may be thinking about an intel board

[naive pendant]

Try out those fake dimms, see if they help with signal integrity

I've always wondered

[main pulsar]

https://www.newegg.ca/asus-rog-maximus-xii-apex/p/N82E16813119293

i was thinking about this one

whoops

[naive pendant]

Check this out on @Newegg: V-color Prism Pro RGB 2x0GB Gaming Dummy Memory Model TY-E6PYKWK https://www.newegg.com/p/2R8-0002-00014?Item=9SIAMCMCHG2564&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIAMCMCHG2564-_-12242021

[limber dragon]

it will do one of two things:

make it worse
do nothing

[main pulsar]

oh no they prolly degrade it

powering those lights lol

[naive pendant]

I'll buy you the dummy ram if you'll try it
I've always been super curious about whether it would impact signal integrity at all

[main pulsar]

i got 4 dimm x299

aint need no dummy modules

[limber dragon]

Im using all 4 slots on my b550 master, imc hates it lmao

[naive pendant]

I watch a lot of AHOC so I actually understand your struggle with the x299, if only from watching others

[main pulsar]

ion even overclock it

it was just cheap

[naive pendant]

I just meant watching AHOC is the only reason I know anything about x299 having any sort of memory issues

[limber dragon]

it doesnt really have "issues", more in that its a skylake imc

[hoary jackal]

i7 2600 or i5 4590?

[vast meadow]

Preferably neither, how much is your budget? If you cant buy a newer cpu though I'd go the 4590

[hoary jackal]

I have an i7 2600 in my pc, thought about buying a better pc that's missing the GPU so I can put my 1050ti in it, since GPUs are so expensive right now

mine has the i7, 8gb ddr3 and a slow 500gb hdd

[cursive epoch]

instead of doing that

just upgrade it

[hoary jackal]

I found one for sale for 100€, i5 4590, 16gb ddr3 and a 128gb

I could put my 1050ti in it

is it worth the trouble? like does that i5 perform better than my i7?

[vast meadow]

If it's only 100€ i guess but i would personally wait til you have a slightly higher budget, if you have about €220-250, this would be more worth your while https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/rh9RLP

[hoary jackal]

ok, that, my 1050ti and is a 420w PSU enough?

[vast meadow]

Yes

[hoary jackal]

it might even fit in my current case

[vast meadow]

It should

[hoary jackal]

micro atx

there was nano atx but thats extra small

[vast meadow]

It's called itx

[hoary jackal]

how much better is the i3 10100f?

[vast meadow]

It will, the board i put in that list is micro atx

[hoary jackal]

can I overclock it?

[vast meadow]

About 1.6x better

[vast meadow]

No

[hoary jackal]

atleast ddr4

and 16gb

[vast meadow]

Intel like to tax people who want to overclock and make them by a z board and a k cpu for extra money

[hoary jackal]

sadly

I will think about it

maybe buy another case

because mine is basically an office pc

i7 office pc with 8gb ddr3 except i put a 1050ti in it

[vast meadow]

For your budget, you'd be better off getting a slightly better cpu and motherboard if you have extra money to spare, cases are at least €50

[hoary jackal]

i can buy used

I would need an lga1155 MB and a bigger case

two more 4gb sticks of ram

let alone such a MB is hard to find used

[vast meadow]

Why lga1155?

[hoary jackal]

i7 2600

so I don't have to buy another cpu

[rocky beacon]

There are literally hundreds of lga 1155 motherboards for cheap used

[hoary jackal]

need one with 4 ram slots

[vast meadow]

You wouldn't need a new motherboard to swap cases

[rocky beacon]

I bought a couple non proprietary dell ones for $20 before

[vast meadow]

Not worth your time imo

[vast meadow]

The us is a much wider market than eu for used pc parts

[rocky beacon]

Ah this is EU?

[vast meadow]

Ye

[hoary jackal]

yea

[vast meadow]

Germany

[hoary jackal]

might actually get that i3, mb and ram

[finite elm]

You should yeah

[rocky beacon]

You are better off buying new lower end parts since you have more room to upgrade in the future

[hoary jackal]

this

[cerulean wadi]

To add to Pato: Since you have that i7, the 4570/90 isn't much of an upgrade imo. Not worth the hassle of switching.

[burnt spear]

6900hx will supposedly have an igpu called the 680m

Also leaked to support ddr5-4800 on laptops

[devout moth]

Lekkren#6151 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Lekkren#6151 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[cerulean wadi]

Whatcha think sir? I should let this one go.

[vast meadow]

Up to you i mean 70$ more is 11700kf new

[cerulean wadi]

Ok. Well

KF is the rare one but plenty of normal K models around, or I go 11gen. Trying to be slightly more future proof or something but maybe an i5 is good enough overall.

[cerulean wadi]

Quite a bit tbh. 👍

[cerulean wadi]

Plain reviews showing game fps os one thing, does anyone know if 8c vs 6c is much of a help for streaming? If not, thinkin definitely i5.

[vast meadow]

Not to you as you can use nvenc on your 1080

[cerulean wadi]

Thnx pato. Good idea. Besides weird deals, the i5 is usually a good bit lower price, so can skip Ebay.

[hallow matrix]

Question for anyone

Does the Asus Tuf x570 WIFI support Smart Access Memory, If so, Could someone tell me how to do it with this specific board?

[vernal cosmos]

Yes but dont use it

It negatively impacs more games than it helps

[limber dragon]

it helps a ton in bf2042

noticeable stutters are gone with sam enabled

[cyan raft]

It pretty much only helps, none of the games I played were negatively impacted by it

[upper rose]

going back to 32gb ram gang soon, realized i needed an identical brand to the two cards i already have

it’s arriving friday… with prime

[smoky widget]

@cerulean wadi Always bid in the last minute or two. That how Ebay works.

[cerulean wadi]

Sometimes I just throw out the only bid early for what I sort of want to pay, then I let it go if I get outbid. Getting into a bidding war might be sort of the part of auctions but might effect final price moderately. 😅

[shy wyvern]

I just throw what I'm willing to pay at it to auto bid and if I win I win if not I go find something else.

[grim hornet]

Someone did already answer my question before, but it wasn't so clear as I wanted: I have been using my cpu since over than a year and half now and it was till today constantly more than/on 90 C. Did the high temperatures for a long period damage the performance of the CPU?/Will a new and robust cooler help? I will buy the Dark Rock Pro 4, is it a good cpu for overclocking?

[vast meadow]

youre probably fine , i wouldnt buy the dark rock pro 4 unless you have a phobia of water coolers. what cpu are you trying to cool and what cooler do you have on it atm?

[grim hornet]

For me I think it isn't worth it buying a water cooler cause my cpu isn't the best and next year I'll upgrade, it is the i7-4770.

[cursive epoch]

I would just clean and repaste it beforehand

[grim hornet]

i have been waiting for the GPU's to kinda "calm down" for an upgrade

[cursive epoch]

You can buy a cooler when the cpu is upgraded

[vast meadow]

yeah your cooler atm is probably just full of dust and the thermal paste i proabably just dried up then

[cursive epoch]

It's no need to rush for better cooler yet

[vast meadow]

i mean you can upgrade your cpu without doing gpu and still see a perf bump

[grim hornet]

actually it is a stock cooler, so i assume it doesn't perform well

[cursive epoch]

Intel stock coolers are okay enough

[vast meadow]

as long as your case has okay airflow

[cursive epoch]

Just have to make sure they're clean and you're okay

And yeah, like pato said

[vast meadow]

clean it and repaste should drop some temps

canned air is your best friend

[grim hornet]

am running the gtx 1050 ti 4gb, won't I have a bottle neck if I upgrade to like rzyen 5 5600x?

[vast meadow]

no system has no bottlneck

[cursive epoch]

nah

You would get more fps at least

[vast meadow]

also youll still see the smoothness of the extra and faster cores

[grim hornet]

i have cleaned it but didn't repaste it, no change :(

[cursive epoch]

The gpu won't bottleneck the cpu if you do things as you usually do

[vast meadow]

i mean in that case if you want to get a new cooler... you could just upgrade cpu now ... which is what i would do and also get an ssd if you dont have one or you could get a new cooler 🤷

probably wont see much extra perf

if you just get cooler

[cursive epoch]

^

90c is probably not throttling for 4770

or mildly

[grim hornet]

so high temperatures doesn't have a huge impact on the performance?

[cursive epoch]

If the cpu doesn't slow itself down, yes

[grim hornet]

alright so upgrading the whole PC and leaving the GPU as it is for now would be the better choice?

[cursive epoch]

Cause cpus since like 20 years ago has thermal protection

There's no way you could degrade a cpu from heat these days

If it gets real hot, it'll shut the pc down

[vast meadow]

yeah imo

[cursive epoch]

but my laptop is weird

cpu reached 100c once and it didn't shut down

[grim hornet]

i just get like an error after shuting down the pc or turning it on

[cursive epoch]

What error?

[grim hornet]

sooo upgrading and getting the Dark Rock Pro 4?

[grim hornet]

High CPU temperature...

[cursive epoch]

Hm

Well, that's kinda alarming

But not harmful

Just get a cooler when you upgrade your cpu

It's easier to just upgrade to that while you install the cooler on the better cpu

[grim hornet]

like this one

[cursive epoch]

huh

[grim hornet]

ye, is the Dark Rock Pro 4 good then?

[cursive epoch]

I wouldn't do it, it's not that good value but it's one of the best air coolers

If you're going Intel, there's peerless assassin

If amd, there's frost spirit

Both from thermalright, if I remember correctly

[grim hornet]

what budget friendly mobo is good? no special abilities are needed

r5 5600x

this would be my spontaneous build https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/DJCkNP + gtx 1050 ti 4gb

budget friendly power supply is also needed

[cursive epoch]

MSI B550 a-pro would do

Or pro-vdh

What's your current psu?

It could be reusable if it's good enough

[grim hornet]

it's a "noname" power supply (also very old) 420w, nzxt cam doesn't detect it

[cursive epoch]

oof

okie gimme a bit

but from my rough recc

corsair cx650 is first to pop in my mind

[grim hornet]

a 3060 would fit in this build later?

[vast meadow]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Njz9qp I'd do this

[shy wyvern]

That's actually normal for laptops, it'll throttle to it's minimum clock (like my 10750h is .8 GHz), then shut off if that still doesn't do it.

[trim galleon]

Hey I got a question. I am going to be upgrading my motherboard soon and was wondering what the process would be for licensing windows. Can I use my old key? Do I need to delete all of the data off of my boot drive to reinstall windows? I need some help here.

[vast meadow]

You can use the old key

[cerulean wadi]

Doing a fresh install generally deletes everything. If you wanted to keep some stuff or something, fresh install to a new separate drive. My secondary drive is actually my complete old Windows 7 boot hdd, in case that answers 1 question.

[trim galleon]

Ok so I should move other stuff on my boot drive that I want to keep onto a backup drive?

[upper rose]

do i need to reinstall win11 if i upgrade my ram?

i got spooked due to a compatibility issue with my previous buy

now i ordered a pair of ram carts identical to what i have

[cerulean wadi]

Not usually when just doubling your specific ram.

[cursive epoch]

thing is it didn't throttle at all too

[cerulean wadi]

What drive(s) do you have? If you're fresh installing onto a drive w/ any data, yes you'd copy stuff off it that you want to keep. Other option is leave it alone and install to a drive that's empty already. Later the "old" drive can just be hooked up and easily accessed.

[trim galleon]

I have a 256gb m.2 (which is my boot drive), a 1tb 2.5inch ssd, and a 1tb hdd

[cerulean wadi]

Yes. Sorry, think I was overly confusing. Gotta deal w/ snow & power out

[eager lance]

Is it safe to overclock my ryzen 5 3600 on a stock cooler

[trim galleon]

no

[eager lance]

u sure

[trim galleon]

Well unless you have the wraith prism

[eager lance]

Whats that ?

[trim galleon]

It’s on of the amd stock coolers

It’s the big boy one

Tho it still isn’t ideal for overclocking

[eager lance]

My friend overclocks his ryzen 7 3700 x

stock cooler

[trim galleon]

Yeah the 3700x comes with the big boy stock cooler

Or at least it should

I have the 3700x and I liquid cool it

Tho I don’t overclock

I don’t really need to

[eager lance]

I have the wraith stealth cooler on mine

What do i have to have to liquid cool

[trim galleon]

Oh yeah the overclocking is a terrible idea

[trim galleon]

Well you would need to buy one with a radiator size that fits your case, and then replace your stock one with the liquid one

[hollow thorn]

manual OC isn't that useful for zen 2, PBO is pretty good

[trim galleon]

Yeah

Precision boost overdrive is like the easiest way to overclock

[hollow thorn]

Don't need aio tbh, good air cooler does fine too

[vast meadow]

You can turn on pbo, basically like an auto dynamic oc, it will only go oc more if it's at a safe temperature

[rigid condor]

Has anyone heard about the new z690 Asus hero boards setting fire, I’m worried because I have one. Should I be though?

[pure chasm]

Should be fine as long as it’s taken care of and checked on regularly but you could replace it if needed

[limber dragon]

I would 100% replace it as the two people I know who had them both caught fire

[thorny cobalt]

isnt that like a 400 dollar board?

[rocky beacon]

It's a $600 board

[thorny cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-huh-what-really-gif-7953610

[rocky beacon]

I am glad I have not bought it yet

[thorny cobalt]

what the hell do you need a 600 dollar board for?

that is insanity

[rocky beacon]

Overclocking

There are $1000 Z690 boards

[thorny cobalt]

👀

better be able to hit 7ghz with that

[naive pendant]

Any recs for a good cooler?

[ember ermine]

What’s your budget?

And what kind of cooler are you looking for

A fan cooler, aio?

[vernal cosmos]

Cpu and budget?

[vast meadow]

There's a 2000$ one too

[hollow thorn]

se-224-xt or vetroo v5 for the 30$ price bracket, pa120/fs140 for the 50$ price bracket, Fuma 2 for 60$ also for a very quiet entry, for 100$, you get to aio territory with Freezer ii, above that, galahad or ek-aio perform similarly to freezer ii, just has more rgb and white options.

[devout moth]

slambeast7#9081 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

slambeast7#9081 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[sleek gust]

I didn't know where to bring this discussion so I landed here.. does any body have experience with cable mod AND asiahorse. I'm trying to pick a kit to use but I don't have any personal experience with either of them.

[cerulean wadi]

I'll say many people are fine w/ asiahorse or such, because cable mod is nice but way higher price. Although it's just "$20ish" extra, so you decide if that's a big deal od not.

[sleek gust]

I mean 20$ extra won't kill me with what's already in the build. But is it a well spent extra 20$?

Or not a notice in quality difference?

I mainly need a 30 series FE gpu connector and a few others. 24pin and cpu.

[cerulean wadi]

With this I'd probably go cable mod or similar. I wish I could checkout both in person to decide, but we can't. Tbh I'm sure not if the wiring itself is better w/ cablemod, or just the sleeving mostly. Also we're paying for the name or possible customer service also, even though we deal w/ Amazon/NE 1st

I mean I don't skimp on normal power cords, so psu cable extensions should be quality too.

[sleek gust]

Your not wrong. I assume with asiahorse or other brands you won't get as much help if needed. Which I do because I'm not seeing any white 12pin to dual 8pin connectors there...

[cerulean wadi]

Cable mod also definitely seems to have quite a few variations to pick from.

[sleek gust]

I'm just mainly curious if the extra money = better product in this case.

[cerulean wadi]

Yeah the 12pin stuff is sort of niche, haha. You're right. Thing is I'd rather do $15ish extra than maybe get a subpar product and/or not be totally content with it.

[sleek gust]

100% fact.

Well thanks! I'll be digging into cablemod.

[naive pendant]

Late reply my b, $70-$100 r7 3700x

[naive pendant]

Tysm

[rigid condor]

Does it fall under warranty because I haven’t even opened the board I just don’t want a fire to burn and if that’s a risk then im not willing to take it

[devout moth]

The Rock#3288 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

The Rock#3288 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[gilded smelt]

I just upgraded to an Intel i7-3770K to run my EVGA RTX 3060. It only came with 8 (2x4gb) RAM and this won't do!!
The MoBo can handle 24GB RAM, so do I find 2 x 8gb ram cards that match the 4's I have, or just get 2x8gb cards and not stress?

[upper aspen]

ideally find the same model but it doesnt really matter especially with intel

or just get one 2x8 and take out the old 2x4

[gilded smelt]

Thank you! I'll go the 2x8 and ditch the 4's

[limber dragon]

the component burns out and the board stops working, there shouldnt be any exposed flameage

[devout moth]

Ophiuchus#3530 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[glossy dust]

What

Oh yeah i almost forgot about that

[quartz zinc]

Check this out on @Newegg: HyperX Predator RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model HX432C16PB3AK2/16 https://www.newegg.com/hyperx-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/0RN-001J-00CZ8?Item=9SIAM4SFNV7986&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIAM4SFNV7986-_-12282021

Did i overpay on this or is there something that makes it expensive

$140 for 16 gigs is a lot

[vernal cosmos]

Thats around an arctic freezer 280mm

[livid sparrow]

You overpayed. That third-party price is a major ripoff

[quartz zinc]

Damg

I cant return em

[livid sparrow]

Did you buy it more than 30 days ago?

[vernal cosmos]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164176

[quartz zinc]

Yes

[vernal cosmos]

As good as the stuff you bought

[livid sparrow]

Okay, then you are outta luck, they have a 30 day policy

[vernal cosmos]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164205
much better than what you bought

[quartz zinc]

I even bought 2 of em

What was i thinking

[cerulean wadi]

Here I thought I had 1 of the most lopsided combos lol( see name). I almost bought a 3770(k) to try, but might not bother at this point.

[glossy dust]

Y'all think 3000g/3200g + b450i + 3600 cl16 ram a good invesment

[hollow thorn]

zen+ kinda sad for today

would prefer at least zen 2 apu

like a 4650g maybe

5600g ideal

[glossy dust]

Could fit on $400 but at least that doesn't hurt so much

[glossy dust]

1650 supers seems to go decenf now so i didn't bother going for a more recent apu

[hollow thorn]

?

I'm talking about for the CPU perf not the better iGPU

[glossy dust]

Ah

Oh well if if this board still truly works after that spark then i guess it's gonna be a card upgrade first

My 260x just truly sucks

[latent acorn]

Any really cheap 6th and 7th gen cpu’s? Its my last part and im so broke 😭

Whats the cheapest ones

[jovial charm]

Should I be worried that slot 2 is lit like that? Just a single red light at the top and bottom of the stick.

[eager lance]

ok thanks, was just wonderin ya know

[eager lance]

ye

Anyone know if cpu's go back in stock once they're sold ? or are they kinda like graphics cards rn

im waiting for this https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5800X-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B0815XFSGK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3SS5YL6PX3TE5&keywords=ryzen%2B7%2B5800x&qid=1639557901&sprefix=ryzen%2B%2Caps%2C512&sr=8-3&th=1 to go back on sale

but only 2 left

[vast meadow]

CPU stock is fine

[regal lichen]

Hi there is it worth $30 more for CL 36 over CL 40?

[vast meadow]

Ddr5 isn't worth it at all

But definitely

[devout moth]

Dayem bin saif#0429 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Dayem bin saif#0429 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[rain marten]

Hello...New Member here...Learning the site navigation....Any help would be appreciated.Looking for a motherboard replacement.ASUS ZEN PRO Z240IC

[rocky beacon]

They have then on eBay but they are pretty expensive

[rain marten]

Yes..Thanks..I had seen those..Too much Canadian $$$...

[rocky beacon]

Aliexpress has them for cheaper, but shipping usually takes long since they are shipping from China

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001294331595.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.2b7f7c5dB6rQ7c&algo_pvid=720809af-a6dc-4a0f-a2aa-54ff9a467ad6&algo_exp_id=720809af-a6dc-4a0f-a2aa-54ff9a467ad6-0&pdp_ext_f={"sku_id"%3A"10000015649416066"}&pdp_pi=-1%3B374.52%3B-1%3BCAD+5.53%40salePrice%3BCAD%3Bsearch-mainSearch

[rain marten]

Ok.Thanks....Though Newegg might have a cheaper version...The computer is 5 years old now & was only a backup.

[rocky beacon]

Yeah I personally would not pay that much money for a replacement motherboard

[rain marten]

No...Just bought the new ASUS Vivo V241.....thought i might find a cheap part for old one.

[shy wyvern]

Today I learned that the 5950x pulls less power at full load than a 5900x

Blows my mind

I didn't realize the 5950x was so binned

[finite elm]

5950x is

[cerulean wadi]

Hmm, attempted to deilver? Come on USPS, don't be like that 1 fedex plane on an island. Roads are plowed, just a bit of snow around

[regal lichen]

Whats the best 32gb DDR4 ram out there? preferably white to pair with 12900K

[vast meadow]

Depends on country

But a pretty universal one is ballistix 3600mhz

[regal lichen]

Canada sorry

top of the line is that the fastest? since im reconsidering ddr5 to ddr4

[summer nexus]

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Vengeance-2x16GB-PC4-28800-Desktop/dp/B082DJ19CK/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=corsair+ballistix+3600mhz+32gb&qid=1640823278&sprefix=corsair+ballistix+3600mhz+32gb\%2Caps%2C98&sr=8-3

[burnt spear]

no

[summer nexus]

not really top of the line

[burnt spear]

do you care for rgb?

[summer nexus]

but its cheap, good clock speed

imo it looks really good

[burnt spear]

oh its 32gb

[summer nexus]

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-PC4-28800-Desktop-Memory/dp/B07WVSNXB6/ref=sr_1_2?crid=VANGHCIIOM8G&keywords=corsair%2Bballistix%2B3600mhz&qid=1640823405&sprefix=corsair%2Bballistix%2B3600mhz%2Caps%2C70&sr=8-2&th=1

two of these

[cerulean wadi]

Instead of "perhaps this", Bacca is just straight w/ "no".

[summer nexus]

lol

well i only sent because its a decent kit really

like cant go wrong with it

[cerulean wadi]

Some people lack tact just a bit.

[finite elm]

Crucial Ballistix has white kits with or without RGB

[burnt spear]

i have a migraine and possible covid or the flu, sorry if i dont come off right

had the migraine since last night

[summer nexus]

me? I'm so confused

[finite elm]

No, Bacca

No offense Bacca

[burnt spear]

nah it was

no offense taken

[cerulean wadi]

Yeah no offense btw. NP, many people do it. feel better

[burnt spear]

thanks

getting tested tmrw morning

[cerulean wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/soup-soup-time-good-soup-good-soup-gif-thats-good-soup-gif-23862078

[summer nexus]

u probably have it, not trying to scare you but i had it like 2 weeks ago. everyone in my family got it around the same time. and there is a raging spike in cases right now. best suggestion is to get vaccinated and get the extra antibodies

[sleek crag]

work computer - need 64gb ram. ryzen 3700x. planning to get the Ballistix 64gb 3200. any reason why i should get the 3600 instead? davinci resolve, unreal engine, maya, zbrush, etc. zero gaming.

[burnt spear]

Double vaxxed currently, my booster was scheduled for early january

I work as a cashier and a lady came through my line coughing, didn't cover her mouth and wasn't wearing a mask

And half the people that come through don't wear a mask

I love getting paid minimum wage and being exposed to a deadly virus :)

[summer nexus]

yea just get the antibodies if u test positive, really easy. my mom did it

[burnt spear]

Do they still use the nose thing to test?

[summer nexus]

yes

[burnt spear]

I hated that thing

[summer nexus]

but it doesnt go as deep now

buy a rapid

[burnt spear]

It feels like getting hand sanitizer in a cut in your nose

[summer nexus]

no they dont go as deep

new ones

[burnt spear]

That's good atleast

I think its just the flu, for a reason I won't say cause it's a little gross, or some people might consider it

Just a symptom that the flu and covid don't share

The worst thing is the almost constant headache

Every time I cough it's a fresh wave

[hollow thorn]

You could also just OC it to 3600

[sleek crag]

seems like the best idea

[shy wyvern]

You ever lose 42 shuffles in a row and reflect on your life?

If I buy a bunch of stuff from newegg with that imrpove my odds, I must buy too much stuff used for their taste

[burnt spear]

I lost 40

Then newegg banned my account

So I stopped entering

[shy wyvern]

wtf did you do?

[burnt spear]

Tried to buy something

Happened three times

Once with my card, once with my parents, once with my brothers paypal

[wheat salmon]

Oof

[cerulean wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrese-gibson-eject-laugh-bye-gif-9473474

[golden pike]

3666 mhz 18 latency
or
3600 mhz 16 latency

what do yall think?

[vast meadow]

3600 cl16 anyday of the week

[golden pike]

how much better do u think it would be ? @vast meadow

not too familiar with latency

myself

[vast meadow]

A lot

[golden pike]

really? with what sort of tasks?

got scammed pretty good with some ram i just bought

only runs 3666

[vast meadow]

Depends on the subtimings but for reference, 3600cl18 is usually 3600 18 22 22 48
And 3600 cl16 is usually 3600 16 18 18 38 which is way better

[golden pike]

when its supposed to run 4000

[vast meadow]

What ram?

What cpu?

[golden pike]

G Skill Trident Z

5950x

[vast meadow]

Lower latency better basically

[golden pike]

looked into it a lot

[vast meadow]

That's why

[golden pike]

thats why?

[vast meadow]

Ram frequency is tied with infinity fabric on ryzen

You could probably get 3733 or 3800 but not 4000

Are you just trying xmp?

[golden pike]

didnt work for me on 3733

yep

didnt do anything special

im about to run memtest86

see what happens

running at 3666 is aight

[vast meadow]

You might need to change some voltages

[golden pike]

ofc I wanted 4000 but

I have plenty of power

[vast meadow]

Try xmp but change 4000 to 3800

[golden pike]

im still on xmp

[vast meadow]

Then change vsoc to 1.1v

[golden pike]

1.1v

[vast meadow]

Ye

[golden pike]

currently on a Crosshair extreme

been building a pretty complex system the past like 3 days

boot to a bunch of problems lel

but I shall try that

plenty of voltage to spare

thank you

ill give it a go rn

[vast meadow]

Good luck

If not that try 1.125

Also use test mem 5 extreme anta profile instead of memtest86

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

[golden pike]

Does that also involve creatign a boot device

[vast meadow]

Nope

Exe on windows

1 error= fail btw

[golden pike]

Thats fire

Ill try that thanks

Also i highkey dont know what vsoc is

Is it called that in Asus bios?

I see CPU SOC

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

That sounds right but i don't own a recent asus board lemme do a google real quick

[golden pike]

Sure

And i see your profile

Dm me a paypal or a venmo ;)

I appreciate it

Is changing these volts dangerous

[vast meadow]

Nah you're fine it's just to avoid ppl spamming dms lol

[vast meadow]

Only if you do a high voltage

It seems to be the same

[golden pike]

For sure

The cpu soc voltage is auto rn and at 1.08

1.072

[vast meadow]

Just try 1.1 for the moment

[golden pike]

Okay

The only soc i see is

Cpu soc current telemetry

When i go into tweakers paradise that is

But in extreme tweaker yeah cpu soc is all i see

Ah

When i click manual is says "vddsoc override"

So that sounds like thats it

Trying 1.1

Nope not enough

[vast meadow]

Try 1.125v then

[golden pike]

1.125 didnt work on 3800 but did on 3733

Should i not go higher than 1,125

[vast meadow]

I can't remember how far you can go off the top of my head tbh

[golden pike]

Also is 3800 a definite cutoff for this process?

[vast meadow]

Basically

[golden pike]

Im not sure where to look up that stuff

Lemme see

[vast meadow]

Try 1.15

[golden pike]

Bet

[golden pike]

Should i try increasing the dram voltage?

[vast meadow]

That shouldn't be the issue

[golden pike]

For sure

Im doing a lot of research on this

1.15 didnt do the trick for 3800

Im assuming you said 3800 is max bc it would take too much to run anything higher with this cpu

I am seeing a lot of info that would agree with that

That didnt do it tho

So im resesrch fclock now

Researching *

Ah. Upon further research its luck based, and my 5950x cannot run 1900 mhz

Dont think ill pass that 3766 or whatever it what

Was

I guess now i just need to figure out if its worth it to return this ram and get 3600mhz 16 latency

Or just keep this 3733mhz 18 latency

[vernal cosmos]

Ok try this

Lemme send values 1 sec

[golden pike]

okay!

Thanks!

[vernal cosmos]

Top is 1.1V

Others are 1.05v

[golden pike]

What CPU were these values used with?

[vernal cosmos]

A 3600x and a 5800x

[golden pike]

alright

i will try that

[vernal cosmos]

Whats ur ram running at voltage wise?

[golden pike]

gotta look into what those things do

I actually just lowered it

[vernal cosmos]

Ram voltage?

[golden pike]

the xmp makes it 1.4

[vernal cosmos]

Ok cool

[vernal cosmos]

Switch on xmp, set frequency to 3800 while its on and use these voltages

[golden pike]

but i put it to 1.35 right now because i already tried maxing other stuff and couldnt get 3800mhz no matter what, so now im just trying to see the min amount of everything I need to run 3733

I will try that

currently running test mem5

do u know if this takes a while haha

[vernal cosmos]

Keep it at 1.4

[vernal cosmos]

On extreme anta?

[golden pike]

its it any more "dangerous" than 1.35?

idek what its on i just openeed it and it ran

[vernal cosmos]

Click load config and exit

[vernal cosmos]

I run my ram at 1.53v and its perfectly safe for my ram die

If the xmp is 1.4 itll be fine at 1.4

[golden pike]

running extreme anta

gosh thats a lot of tests!

theres an error,

how do i tell when this thing is over? lol

[vast meadow]

If there's an error just stop the test because you'll need to change some values

[golden pike]

got it.

[vast meadow]

Try 1.125v soc again

[golden pike]

Okay

@vernal cosmos

Trying ur thing first

Gotta figure out how to edit these values

Locked at

Atm

Got it

Yeah didnt work

Stickin to 3733

From the research i have done its impossible to reach 3800 if u just have bad silicon

Which is entirely luck based

Tried a few tests of my own that indicate@that

Hmmm

Getting some errors now F

Finally back in windows to test

@vast meadow

Hey man by any chance can i get your opinion on what i should do with this ram

Im hella lazy right

And if i RMA it to newegg i have to wait to buy the same 128gb kit for 3600mhz at 16 latency

For like $60 more which idc about the money its just like ugh idk if its worth

Cuz u made it seem like 18 vs 16 is a big deal with latency? But this kit i have now is running at 3733

So 3733 mhz 18 cas and chill with what i have, or newegg RMA to get another kit thats 3600mhz but 16 cas

[wheat salmon]

Wait, is it 4 sticks?

[golden pike]

Yes

Im running 4 32gb sticks

[wheat salmon]

That makes higher frequencies harder to hit

[golden pike]

Yes

Yes it does

[celest anchor]

It's not, it makes next to no difference

[golden pike]

But ive also found through research the past like 5 hours that its also just my 5950x

Sadly

But i mean its fine

[wheat salmon]

Maybe 5% difference in benchmarks

[celest anchor]

Haha no

[golden pike]

5% is a lotttt to me :^)

[wheat salmon]

Bench only

[celest anchor]

Something like 3600 cl16 vs 3600 cl18 isn't even 1%

In gaming

(cpu limited)

[golden pike]

For sure

[wheat salmon]

Yea benchmark =/= gaming

[golden pike]

Im coming from 64gb of 3200 so this is still a major upgrade

[celest anchor]

What benchmarks then

[burnt spear]

it depends on the kit of c18

[golden pike]

Ofc though i dont have 128gb for games, mainly use in rendering and complex after effects compositions

[burnt spear]

c18 kits are normally meh because they have bad subtimings

[wheat salmon]

My mistake, bandwidth difference is only 3%

[golden pike]

So the amount of ram is more important

[burnt spear]

not really

[golden pike]

For me

[burnt spear]

16gb is fine for most gaming use cases

[celest anchor]

Bandwidth in what

[burnt spear]

i didnt max out 16gb streaming cold war with discord and chrome open as well

with max settings, no rtx on cold war

same thing with warzone

[golden pike]

Yeah games 16 is chillin

[devout moth]

CxRobin#6179 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

CxRobin#6179 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[wheat salmon]

AIDA64 memory copy

[celest anchor]

Useless test

[wheat salmon]

Yea its a benchmark

[celest anchor]

gskill 3600 cl16, 18 and 19

[wheat salmon]

They are all useless tests xD

[celest anchor]

The test doesn't measure memory bandwidth

It measures the amount of data passing into the CPU that is requested from memory

[golden pike]

Man everyone im asking is saying different things snajakansaknsjs

[burnt spear]

i said normally, it depends on the kit

[burnt spear]

right here

[celest anchor]

Point is almost all manufacturers use the same on their cl16 and cl18 kits

And well, the mobo has more to do with perf due to subs anyways

My board ignores all but primaries when I set xmp

[golden pike]

Interesting.

Do yall know how testmem5 works

[celest anchor]

There are heaps of tests that work in different ways

[golden pike]

I seriously have no idea when this thing is done

Its been 12 mins

Is it multiple hours

Or somethin

[celest anchor]

It depends on the profile you are using, the cpu performance, memory performance and amount of ram

[vast meadow]

Try his values with a higher soc voltage

[vast meadow]

Ohh that would explain having troubles at 3800

[golden pike]

Yep

And i didn

Did*

Tbh it starting messing up my rig

Lol

[celest anchor]

Oh aida64 is also cpu bottlenecked, changing memory performance doesn't really change the performance of the test

[golden pike]

I had to clear cmos and press a whole bunch of buttons on the mobo to get the thing to work again

[golden pike]

Using the extreme anta

[vast meadow]

@golden pike was it also a 4x32gb kit or 2 2x32gb kits? Because same 2x32gb kit not guaranteed to work and why do you need 128gb ram?

[golden pike]

@vast meadow currently running 3733, vsoc at 1.12 . 15minutes testing and no errors so far. Will most likely be sticking with this speed and keeping this kit

It was the second thing, i didnt know that that mattered until today. Ive always done that for years and never had problems. Buying multiple kits of 2

[burnt spear]

i cannot find the subtimings

[celest anchor]

In this case aida was saying I was getting 52GB/s read and 48GB/s copy when I was actually getting 48 and 42. Good job aida

[celest anchor]

Which ones?

[golden pike]

I do a lot of intensive videos/filmmaking stuff and stuff i use eats ram like crazy so even at 64 gb 3200mhz my ram bottlenecking me

[burnt spear]

when i start zentimings

[celest anchor]

F

[golden pike]

This test is still going strong

Poor cpu

[vast meadow]

Good, just make sure you finish the test

[golden pike]

18-22-22-42 vs 16-22-22-42

Is what im deciding between

And yes sir im waitin patiently on it!

I guess it will go from cycle 1 to 2.

And thats how i know its done?

Gaha

Haha**

[vast meadow]

Id try do something like 18 20 20 40 if you can

[golden pike]

As far as i know there isnt a kit like that

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-128gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374064

This is the one im looking at

Considering rma'ing

But again im lazy and that seems like a lot of work to do

[vast meadow]

No it will say finished

[golden pike]

Ah okay

[vast meadow]

I personally would and get some 3600 ballistix 2 64gb kits

Also fyi it will probably take 6 hours or so so don't bother staring at the screen

[golden pike]

Okay ill prob get some sleep then

And i looked into ballistix actually!

I forget why but i stopped considering

Ive been all over the place

Legit been building this computer all week

All day

Yet i build computers all the time

Going all out on this one

Thank you for all your help !!

I will be sure to update

But yeah in reality ill probably just keep this kit tbh

And run 3733 with the small oc

[vast meadow]

Np

[golden pike]

❤️❤️❤️

[night dagger]

new PC gamer here- Wondering if i play multiple games that require 8gb of ram and i currently have 16gb should i go to 32? current card is 3060 ti only one ssd 1tb pcle and i7 cpu.

playing games like apex-gta-battlefield

[wintry girder]

16gb is fine for those games

[sweet urchin]

is getting the AMD athlon 3000G better than getting the AMD athlon II X250?

[finite elm]

What's your budget? I wouldn't get either of those

[sweet urchin]

i'm trying to sell a bad pc that has the II X250

[rocky beacon]

Lmao that is a low end CPU from 2009

The 3000G is way better

[sweet urchin]

yea

it is from a dell inspiron 570

[rocky beacon]

https://twitter.com/tomshardware/status/1476619246205558786

Tom's Hardware (@tomshardware)

ASUS ROG DDR5 to DDR4 Converter Card Spotted in the Wild https://t.co/tMH1UKCpEL

Twitter · Dec 30, 2021, 6:20 PM

Would have been better if it was more compact unless there is reasoning for it

[wintry girder]

Trident z

[vast meadow]

If only there was ddr4 12th gen boards

[celest anchor]

I love how they say spotted in the wild when it was showcased by the person who made it

[wheat salmon]

Lolol that's so huge

[cerulean wadi]

LuL, must resist the most obvious reply.

[finite elm]

That's what she said

[wheat salmon]

Oop

[cerulean wadi]

You made it too easy

[devout moth]

DiscordUser#5393 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

DiscordUser#5393 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[golden pike]

@vast meadow

hey ! you around?

came back to check pc after a while and its done

[vast meadow]

Yep

No errros?

Nice

[golden pike]

no error!

are there like

test stats anywhere

or is this all im supposed to see

[vast meadow]

That's all

[golden pike]

sounds good

guess ill be running like this then

[vast meadow]

The test stats are there was no errors so it passed lol

[golden pike]

1.12 vsoc

and 1.4v ram

[vast meadow]

Nice

[golden pike]

3733

seems safe

lol

thanks so much for your help!!!

what mobo are you running?

[golden pike]

Hey there, I am curious what mobo you are running as well with ur high end parts

[finite elm]

X570 Aorus Elite

cause I'm basic

[golden pike]

for sure

isnt that an amazing board tho

i know a couple ppl with that one

[finite elm]

Im not really experienced with mobo's

[golden pike]

does anyone have/know someone that has an ROG Crosshair VIII Extreme

[finite elm]

Nah

[golden pike]

same

decently experienced but not super

but just picked up this extreme and theres a yellow light always on indicating what bios im using

which is just

doesnt seem right to have this yellow light on

lol

[finite elm]

I wouldn't know lol.

[golden pike]

npp

what brand 3090 do u have?

[finite elm]

Aorus Extreme.

not the sad AIO one.

[golden pike]

nice nice

does it whine or is it super quiet?

[finite elm]

I wear headphones whenever I'm using the PC so I actually have no idea

[golden pike]

for sure

[vast meadow]

They're pointless unless you want to do liquid nitrogen oc and overpriced for everything but that

[finite elm]

also I have a desk fan

I think my 3080 ti gets louder than my 3090

[golden pike]

interesting

under 3D rendering load my strix 3090 whines pretty bad

just my luck lol

but its been that way since I got it over a year ago now

[finite elm]

but my desk fan and water fountain for my cat are louder than both so no issues imo

[golden pike]

noice

yeah its not bad

with headphones on even with no sound the whine goes inaudible

[golden pike]

thought the same

lol

[finite elm]

@vast meadow What fan would be good for a mineral oil PC

[vast meadow]

Ehh

[finite elm]

😂

[vast meadow]

Never looked at mineral oil because effort