cpus-mobo-and-memory

[grim schooner]

the AB350 Pro was from Asrock

[vast meadow]

I'd just buy a 1140 and b560 personally, that way you get a cpu upgrade as well, a b450 will do

[junior mason]

I will stay at amd and do a cpu upgrade later

[vast meadow]

Then I'd try get a decent b450 or x470

[junior mason]

I’ll take a look thank u

[vernal cosmos]

@hollow thorn 8410B is c die yeah?

3200c16 xmp

[vast meadow]

8410B would be b die

[vernal cosmos]

3200c16 at 1.35v

[hollow thorn]

Should be b die, according to the sticker

There is lower binned b die that don't oc as well, but still likely b die

[vernal cosmos]

True

[mystic inlet]

You get a used MB anyway to test it with out hooking everything up? Also is it one of those things that testing will show if it's good or bad or one of those no it will just break down the road without showing any signs now type of things ?

[vast meadow]

What?

[mystic inlet]

If I am buying a used motherboard can I just have it tested to makes sure it works on its own without having it completely put into me pc if I take it to a shop to look at? Also is it a part that will show damage right away and not work or something that will look fine and then break shortly down the road? Don't buy used parts but couldn't pass up a deal on this MB not really sure how bad or good the odds are buying a used MB

[vast meadow]

You'll need to hookup a cpu + cooler + power at the bare minimum

[hollow thorn]

No way to test it without a full system tbh

[vast meadow]

Unless there's scratches on the motherboard you'll be fine, as for how long it will last, should last same amount as any other motherboard

[mystic inlet]

Thanks so probably have to take my whole pc over there as well. Hate moving this thing I have furniture that ways less and is not as unwieldy

[hollow thorn]

I mean, mobos can just be bricked if they did something quite wrong

Stuff like if the power went out mid-bios-update

[mystic inlet]

Thanks, like my current MB but upgrading to the extreme for $300 figure take the chance see if it's working

[hollow thorn]

300$ for a motherboard does not seem like a great idea

[mystic inlet]

Its a z390 xtreme

[vast meadow]

Yes ofc, meant to say as long as is boots like

[hollow thorn]

A motherboard upgrade doesn't give you much performance anyways, and on an outdated platform, I say no

[vast meadow]

No point, dead platform

[hollow thorn]

Even if it's a z390 dark, wouldn't pay much over like 200$

But that's because dark nice board with tons of features

[mystic inlet]

Getting it for the 10gig ethernet port and thunderbolt that my z390 ultra doesn't have,

[hollow thorn]

Do you really need a 10g port?

[vast meadow]

And you can get pcie cards for that anyway

For way less

[mystic inlet]

Isp went up to 2gig here so needed a upgrade from the 1 gig on this mb

[vast meadow]

Need sounds like a strong word

[hollow thorn]

2.5g Ethernet card is like 30$ at worst

It's not worth a 300$ upgrade that doesn't give you much else

[mystic inlet]

Think it also gives me the extra ports to use my front usb`s right now only able to use twoof the 4 and the C port

[hollow thorn]

And USB hub/splitter/extender cards won't set you back more than 20$

[vast meadow]

You can get splitters for that ye

[mystic inlet]

Thanks for the help

[quick robin]

Would this ram TEAMGROUP ELITE 32GB (2 x 16GB) PC5-38400 (DDR5-4800) UDIMM Memory TED532G4800C
work with https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144484?Item=N82E16813144484

[shy wyvern]

I'd just upgrade full platform at this point if you're willing to drop $300 on a dead end platform. Intel's new platform comes with 2.5gb lan as part of chipset now

[junior mason]

Is there any reason to upgrade from an a320m-k I have a 1600 af in ur but idk if I should upgrade or just stay?

I want to upstage GPU’s but ye prices u know

[vast meadow]

There's a reason to upgrade both cpu and mobo but not just mobo alone

[junior mason]

Wel ye that’s a good one but it will be high price so I will do that later

I think I will just save money I do want to overclock but idk if it will improve the 1600

[vast meadow]

Not really, 11400 is 135$ and b560 is 90$

[junior mason]

That’s a good one

200€ in my country

[vast meadow]

What country?

[junior mason]

Netherlands

I joined the discord group for advice and I just like of stuf

Pc*

[devout moth]

kippetje_BEAST#6272 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[junior mason]

My country sadly is having also a good taste of the chip shortage so cpu en mobo are going up in price

[vast meadow]

Ahh okay, default is us, lemme see what you could do, what's your budget like?

[vast meadow]

Nah not really

[junior mason]

Wel not higher than 200 I think don’t want to spend that much on a cpu en mobo or I will just stay at the 1600 and upgrade later

[vast meadow]

Ah yeah cheapest worth your time would be 250

[subtle crow]

Would that be the 10400f and B560?

[vast meadow]

Yeah

[glass plover]

Is it worth it to upgrade to a 5600x or a 5800x from a 3700x with the cyber deals?

[vast meadow]

Nah wait for zen3d, comes in January/Feb most likely same am4 socket

[pearl hare]

Well I got the Z690 Master and Z5 5600 cl36 ram from Newegg just a bit ago. It’s non RGB though. Worth keeping

[burnt spear]

theres no way theyd put ddr5 and new socket on a refresh right?

[vast meadow]

Oh nice

[vast meadow]

Nah am5 is ddr5

[pearl hare]

Ddr5 bundle with 6000 ram instock!!

Z5

[steep sparrow]

May I ask for help finding an ATX motherboard for a Ryzen 3 3200G?
I need Bluetooth and a USB-C Front Panel connector, and I don't know why this has turned into a headache.

BTW I JUST joined the channel. If this isn't where to ask, I had no idea and will need help getting to the right sub-channel.

[round palm]

There's no more ddr5. I can't even find the option 😦

[pearl hare]

Just type in ddr5 combo and kee refreshing. Might catch some

[vast meadow]

Why do you need atx specifically?

[junior mason]

Wel if you want specificly Bluetooth build in its not going to be cheap u can buy a dongle for the motherboard I would look for b450 or b550 or x470 and than the gaming boards for b450 some have usb c watch out if it is need to be. Thunderbolt!

[mystic inlet]

Swapping MB from gigabyte Z390 ultra to gigabyte Z390 Xtreme would that require redoing swapping the cables with the new ones in the box or would I just be using the current cables in my pc and just connecting them to the new MB?

[cerulean wadi]

Most current cables ok, maybe only 1 or 2 would be to be changed/upgraded for some reason.

[mystic inlet]

Thwnks

Thanks

[chilly fulcrum]

Can I plug a case fan into a cpu fan header?

[hollow thorn]

Yes but it'll default to a dif fan curve

[chilly fulcrum]

Ok thanks

[cerulean wadi]

If you've used a bios enough, you could go in there and probably cpu fan header setting to operate at full speed if you wanted.

[open nymph]

does anyone buy the ddr5?

where I can get them?

[vernal cosmos]

Thats the fun part

You cant

Because stock shortage

Just gotta keep looking till you find a kit

[open nymph]

yea but how long?

[vernal cosmos]

As long as it takes ig

[open nymph]

oooouh

[steep sparrow]

TBH mainly aesthetic, but also for future-proofing. I admit multiple PCI-E is more than a year away, so there is wiggle room, here. I'm just exhausted.

[vast meadow]

Do you mean expansion cards? Because multiple gpus have came and went already

[split copper]

I think they mean they probably won't get any extra cards for a while

[vast meadow]

Idk tbh

[vernal cosmos]

Anyone who has an X570 aorus master should update bios as soon as possible

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios

[vast meadow]

Oop

[subtle crow]

Are B660 mobos likely to release along with the rest of intel’s desktop cpu lineup?

I’m trying to figure out if a 12400 build will actually be worth it

Seeing as how the i5-12400 has similar performance to the 5600x

But at the same time z690 boards are way too expensive for a budget build

[vast meadow]

most likely

[devout moth]

KAPITAN#9546 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

KAPITAN#9546 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[warm bolt]

What timings are these roughly equivalent to because of the cas latency?

Or like what specs in ddr4*

[hearty gust]

hey i have ? @vast meadow https://www.ebay.com/itm/294545029798 will i need find a cpu to update this to run on 9700k i know some on amzon our updated to work but not sure on this one

[hollow thorn]

@warm bolt just take a look at this perf comparison

[dusk vessel]

how do i know if my cpu is damaged

of overheating

[warm bolt]

It doesn’t compare any ddr4 tho

[hollow thorn]

the one purple bar

[warm bolt]

Also received my mobo and ram just waiting on case tomorrow other than the lga1700 bracket and gpu but my cpu has integrated graphics. Anyone have a few minutes to let me know if I need anymore cables for my build tomorrow? So i can order some cables if need be.

[hollow thorn]

wdym any more cables

[warm bolt]

Well i thought the mobo was supposed to have more cables to connect stuff like to my storage.

[hollow thorn]

it dies
other degradation is hard to measure unless you've done manual oc on it before and know how far you can push it normally

[warm bolt]

This is what was in it.

[hollow thorn]

The mobo should've came with some sata cables

that looks like sata

and that's all you really need

[dusk vessel]

my pc freeze every 24h and cant use it until i restart it

[warm bolt]

But only two?

[hollow thorn]

are you using more than 2 sata drives

[warm bolt]

Also I thought i needed some cable to connect to the front of my lian li case to make those ports work.

[hollow thorn]

use whocrashed or something

check event viewer

[hollow thorn]

those should be in the case

[warm bolt]

Im using 2 ssds and a hdd

[dusk vessel]

ill try

[hollow thorn]

M.2 drives don't need cables

[warm bolt]

Aight and then i was going to look at the mobo specs again but do i need a network card for ethernet? Or would a port be on there?

I assume on there

[hollow thorn]

99% chance there's a ethernet port on rear io

like 99.999% chance

I don't know any mobo without a ethernet port on rear io

[grizzled bloom]

The question is if that port works out of the box 🙃

[dusk vessel]

@hollow thornin event viewer i should head off to system ?

[warm bolt]

Aight good

[hollow thorn]

Windows logs, system, and look for anything near the time of freezing

[warm bolt]

Then last question for now is that my mobo came with a disc. Is that to install base boot files?

Or what is that for?

Nvm

Looked at it and it says drivers and utilities. I was just a little nervous about moving the mobo too much.

[thick ferry]

Warning!The Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard supports the AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor with BIOS version 3001. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, upgrading the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.

does anyone know whwat this means 😭

[warm bolt]

It means you have to update the bios

Depending on what cpu you have with it. It won’t work straight out of boot with the cpu depending on cpu.

Until you update. Assuming your cpu is compatible with mobo.

[cerulean wadi]

Win10/11 is often bought on a flash drive or easily* DL'd yet some mobos still give us a (old driver) disc w/ stuff, lol.

[steep sparrow]

I'm more just meaning the slot.
I might need extra for a second GPU, maybe even a sound blaster card for some obscure temporary project. I just know that ATX is the one that'll work best with my current case and personal agenda.

[steep sparrow]

When you say cheap, are you meaning $300+?
Because I'm down with $200-. I'm just trying not to cross the $200 line.

[lyric solstice]

Can someone please help point me to the correct ram to buy for upgrading my pc? I used a scanner and it told me the wrong ram and ended spending money that i had to get refunded, because sure enough its not the right ram

if i give model number and serial number etc... any one can help?

My computer is an MSI - MPG Trident AS 10SC-1208US-B71070F2065816GS1T0X10MaaB6 Serial number: MSB926KBT0100011

nevermind i think maybe i found the right ram?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZLDCYYS/?language=en_US&cstrackid=9d3eaad3-a721-4f2c-b43e-212ea5bac86a&tag=microncsus-20

[hollow thorn]

Are you looking for 64gb of ram?

[lyric solstice]

yea id like two sticks of 32gig

to max out my capacity

[hollow thorn]

The desktop PC, correct?

[lyric solstice]

yea its a desktop, its this one

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MPG-Trident-AS-10SC-1208US/dp/B08HZ53TCQ

maybe a slightly different model, but its the same computer basicaly

[hollow thorn]

Trying to check the manual but ig it doesn't want to load, I'll just make a guess it has the equivalent of a b460m pro

[lyric solstice]

settings says B460 Trident AS

(MS-B926)

[hollow thorn]

2 memory slots, correct?

[lyric solstice]

I used crucials ram scanner again, and i think it worked this time. I don't know why it gave me Sodimm the first time

yes

total capacity of 32g each slot for max 64

[hollow thorn]

MSI says it's proprietary but it probably just rebranded another board like b460m-a

[lyric solstice]

I just opened the glass side door to double check and it is definitely udimm

because the ram chips are long

not short and fast

[hollow thorn]

Try this kit, cheaper, does the same thing
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081ZJXCXR

[lyric solstice]

fat*

[hollow thorn]

And yea, it's desktop ddr4 dimms

[lyric solstice]

RipJaws V Series, designed specifically for AMD Ryzen X570 and TRX40 Series; Intel X299, Z390, Z490 and newer.

is this a problem if im runnin RTX?

nvidia?

or not really

[hollow thorn]

Not a problem, that's just marketing, and that has to do with the motherboard and the CPU, the motherboard you have is B460, the same generation as Z490

[lyric solstice]

oh they may be referring to the motherboard yea

yea so i have an intel core I-7 10700f @ 2.9Ghz, 2901 MHZ, 8 core, 16 logical

[hollow thorn]

Yea, should be fine

[lyric solstice]

ok, so you think the ram in the link you sent me will peform just as well? because for me personaly money is not an issue

but i do not mind saving money when i can 😉

if it does the same thing

[hollow thorn]

I mean, it also gets a heatsink and the kit I linked is theoretically faster because tighter timings (lower latencies)

[lyric solstice]

Im wondering if those two will have trouble fitting into the case. I have a picture of how tight it is, and I tried to show it to you but it wont let me put pictures here

like the ram chips sit under the fan and heat sink, which must be removed, and i mean its TIGHT because this is a compact pc

[hollow thorn]

You can DM it to me if you'd like

[lyric solstice]

ok

[warm bolt]

So I don’t even need those boot files? Windows has is covered? That’s not like uefi or bios install? Those things are on the board?

Well yeah i can answer my own question

A base bios should be on the board

[cerulean wadi]

If you wanted, could check/update bios 1st thing so not to deal w/ it later. Win10 should have a bunch of basic drivers. I usually go to mobo website and download latest copies of w/e drivers/software I need before hand. 👍

[tropic charm]

I have a gtx 1060 3gb, i5-7400, and 16 gb ram but for some reason I only get 30 fps on rust on low settings. I just watched a guy with the same gpu and ram but with an i5-3550 getting 70 fps

I don't know what's causing the fps problem

[split copper]

resolution? buggy driver? 6gb 1060?

[cursive epoch]

the other guy might've had 6 gigs 1060

[split copper]

would a 3gb be that much worse lol

a 970 is 3.5gb effectively

never played rust tho

i5-4460

[cerulean wadi]

3gb 1060 also had less cores/shaders, so it wasn't much better than a 970, from what I recell. even the 3gb model though should do better in rust. Maybe upscaling or something in Nvidia controls?

[vast meadow]

Because of what you want and having the 3200g you'll have to go with this to get a type c motherboard header,
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6jFKHx/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-pro-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-x570-pro-wi-fi

[shy wyvern]

Gonna sound obvious but you don't have vsync enabled do you?

[cerulean wadi]

Perhaps 1/2 refresh rate mode and a 60hz display? That's an idea for sure.

[steep sparrow]

Whoah! OK that thing looks perfect.
Any idea how to lookup what I'm losing when transitioning from the B-550 E to this X570?

[vast meadow]

Uhh why bother that would be a downgrade, i assumed your board broke or something

Also these boards are way to expensive to put a 3200g on 😭

[steep sparrow]

YEah, that's my whole thing.
I"m running on gradual updates, but I wanna swap the 3200g instead of just replacing it, so that kinda makes it the one that'll stay the longest.

I guess we're really just dealing with me being thick-headed, here. I should just swap the CPU ahead of time instead of compromising with the motherboard so much.

[vast meadow]

The motherboard you have right now is great so yeah no reason to buy another one especially when sacrificing a cpu upgrade

[dense frost]

Thats what one might call, a bad idea

[keen inlet]

is it possible to run coffee lake cpu's on z170 motherboards?

[hollow thorn]

No

[hollow thorn]

Intel did dumb things with lga1151

z170 will support up to 7700k

anything beyond will take z390

[keen inlet]

what about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hghT2iOvWTU&ab_channel=Luumi

[hollow thorn]

It's wacky

You can mod the socket, but that's annoying

[limber dragon]

Socket and/or cpu depending on mobo

[bleak wyvern]

Does anyone know of a company that sells computers or motherboards with a parralel port for a plasma cam table

[vast meadow]

No but you can get pcie expansion cards with one or a usb to parallel cable on Amazon or something for like 10-15$

[bleak wyvern]

He says he just wants to buy a new computer since this one we are using was built in 03

[vast meadow]

Yeah I'd just get a regular desktop then and use a usb or pcie to parallel

[bleak wyvern]

He wants to know if he can get a USB and connect it to his surface pro he has and run it from there

[vast meadow]

Usb to parallel? Ye

[cyan raft]

With a bit of kapton tape and good enough VRMs yes

[wheat oracle]

Is someone able to help me? I need to upgrade my laptop's RAM and am trying to make sure the brand is trustworthy and all the components are compatible.

[grizzled bloom]

What model laptop? A lot can't be upgraded because it's soldered in

[tropic charm]

Nah I don't think I have it enabled but I'll double check

[tropic charm]

1920x1080p 144 hz monitor

[shy wyvern]

Yeah, that's where I was going. I've been there with games locking at 83fps due to vsync

[tropic charm]

Vsync fully off on rust and in nvidia control panel

still 30-40 fps

might just sell this pc n buy a new one xD

[cerulean wadi]

reset nvidia settings? idk, that specific gpu is holding ya back a fair bit. all prices are wack right now though. If I didn't want to be GPU-less for 2 years or drop $600+ total on somethin, I'd sell my 1080 right now 😂

[split copper]

give your 3550 a break lol

it's not gonna catch up to anything faster

[shy wyvern]

chillen you could legit get a b460 board used for $55 and a $90 10100f

and it'd be a huge improvement lol

[cerulean wadi]

haha, ikr. Plenty for 1080P, sorta (The 1080 has a strong back, get it?). Gonna be a good spare PC though.

Would it? See I need ram also, so there's another $50ish maybe.

[shy wyvern]

If you go used you can get ddr4 3200 for $30-35 for 16gb cl16

$200 for a power improvement XD

[cerulean wadi]

That's a fine idea there. I was thinking aiming closer to the fences w/ a 11600 or similar and really not bothering upgrading again for quite a while. it's mobo choices that's tough perhaps. Well, more useful upgrade than the AX88u I just got 🤣 (my PC is on ethernet), roommates are not. Thnx for the input either way.

[vast meadow]

Atm, either go
10400/11400 + b560 +16gb 3200cl16 ram +30$ cooler ~=380$
or
5600x + b550 + 16gb 3600cl16 ram +45$ cooler =520$
or
12600k and z690+ 16gb 3600cl16 ram + 100$ cooler =~680$

[cerulean wadi]

Thnx pato, i'll do more checking. Here's a quick n dirty cart I had. Could easily go down $70-80 w/ a different mobo. cpu choice is more finicky because sometimes it feels like spending $30-40 is quite worth it, VS same increase on certain other items. 👍 32gb currently, but perhaps that's still way overkill for mainly gaming.

[vast meadow]

I just can't justify spending that much on an 11600k when you can get a 5600x for cheaper and perform better unless you want to do overclocking as a hobby

[vast meadow]

32gb was definitely super overkill for your cpu and is still pretty overkill for nowadays, only games that can utilize over 16gb ram is flight sym 2020

[cerulean wadi]

right, I only barely hit 12GB usage in a couple games, that's a sign. The extra 16GB was just cheap a while back & I felt like it.

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6t6g2V price range 1
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZGt6vf price range 2
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TkBFBc price range 3

Right, well that's what I'd do for each depending how much you wanna spend

[cerulean wadi]

btw I'm not familiar w/ amd at all, and not big on OC'ing cpu's. gonna start saving stuff like your 1st statement up there.

[vast meadow]

Having amd and having intel in your system, you can't tell once the pc is built

[cerulean wadi]

yeah, cpu doesn't even really need drivers or anything compared to gpu or something. you're right. Now I also get the extra $200+ for z590/116 wouldn't be a good value.

[vast meadow]

Ye...

[cerulean wadi]

Oh I thought I saw 11400, but $165 is pretty good. I like this B560 (most have few i/o usb. wow, didnt know m.2 went up to 110mm, interesting. 'preciate the parts list by the way. https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-B560-PLUS-Motherboard-DisplayPort-Thunderbolt/dp/B08WRMG17M

[vast meadow]

That board is fine too

[maiden flame]

What is a 2x8GB ram set

Looking for a color white

[vernal cosmos]

Crucial ballistix

[vast meadow]

For what cpu, what country?

[maiden flame]

I7-10700k US

Sorry for the delay

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zGjBD3/oloy-blade-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-md4u0832162brwde
Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zz3H99/team-t-force-delta-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-tf4d416g3200hc16cdc01

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/njvqqs/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4w or if you want to ram oc a bit

[maiden flame]

Team t force delta is good right

[grizzled bloom]

That specific one? It's cheap and not great

If it's the RGB you want you can get this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WPvqqs/crucial-ballistix-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4wl

Very much worth the extra money, especially with a high tier CPU.

[vast meadow]

Am5 leaks to only support ddr5 and not ddr4 👀

[dim cloak]

Well rip the LGA 1718 user

Is that the new lga for am5

[topaz reef]

seems so

[vast meadow]

Why rip lol

[dim cloak]

Am5 prices will be up and then ddr5 prices and availability

[vast meadow]

Idk bout am5 but hopefully ddr5 gets sorted or they add ddr4 support if it doesn't get better stock wise

[topaz reef]

this is exactly what i upgrad end of platform

[dim cloak]

Am5 would be higher than most am4 cpus

[vast meadow]

Source?

[topaz reef]

5>4, big if true

[dim cloak]

Well if their performance wants to surpass the 5800x and 5950x with the prices they have currently of around $400+ it would be best to assume they would be in the price range or higher with the R7 and R9

[topaz reef]

they will price them to compete with intels id imagine

5900x is on sale for $440 at newegg with the quadpay thing

[dim cloak]

Yeah thats a little high in price but justified with mobo prices

But with the prices of ddr5 its a bit rough

[oblique haven]

Here the current price situation is 5600X @ $270, 12600K @ $280, 12700KF @ $380, 5900X @ $475, 12900KF @ $560, 5950X @ $700

[vast meadow]

Not really, they're already changing nodes so that's already a performance bumb, and usually prices are around the same

[dim cloak]

Im gonna still assume for now that it will be a little higher in pricing

[modest bear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VNBb4d
Issues regarding the Ryzen 9 5950x and the memory kit I've chosen. PcPartPicker states "The G.Skill Trident Z RGB 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL14 Memory operating voltage of 1.45 V exceeds the AMD Zen 3 CPU recommended maximum of 1350 mv+7% (1444.5 mv). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1350 mv voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the AMD recommended maximum. "
WTF does this mean?
(There are some other issues with the build such as BIOS and additional drive bays needed, they can be ignored)

[cursive epoch]

ram voltage too high

1.35v needed for optimal compatibility

The ram might run at speed slower than 3600

Cause voltage it's running at is too high

[modest bear]

alright managed to find a lower voltage, same speed, slightly worse cas latency kit

[grizzled bloom]

Ehh, yes but actually no.
1.35v is the recommended based on early specs but just about any X470, B550, or X570 mobo with a 5000 series cpu won't have an issue with 1.45v.

Besides 1.45v is probably b-die

[cursive epoch]

ah

[knotty prism]

Anyone have issues with DDR5 XMP profiles? I wasn’t able to get it to run on my MSI board so I switched to Gigabyte Aorus Master. Ran it successfully for a few days and now one of my XPG Lancer’s doesn’t work. System won’t boot with it in any slot. Other stick still works 🤔 since there is no stock available anywhere it isn’t like I can replace it

[tender eagle]

Anyone have a line on ddr5 memory? I’m not even sure where I should squat and continuously recheck at this point

[vast meadow]

Possibly just needs a bit of manual tuning tbh

[vast meadow]

Newegg are doing some, possibly Amazon, i believe b&h is doing preorders

[knotty prism]

That’s what I thought as well; however the system won’t boot with that ram even with a reset bios.

[toxic tulip]

@vast meadow, my friend i need a answer...

[knotty prism]

B&H was doing preorders on the XPG DDR5, but I don’t see that option anymore. I checked yesterday and none of there sticks had an active preorder option unfortunately.

[vast meadow]

Ohh ehhh have you tried clearing using the pins as well as removing the bios battery and unplugging from the wall and waiting a few mins?

[vast meadow]

!ask

[devout moth]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[vast meadow]

Shame

[toxic tulip]

!ask i7 11700f + gtz 750 ti bottleneck

[devout moth]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[vast meadow]

Also if you haven't bought a ddr5 mobo yet just get fast ddr4 and a ddr4 mobo

[vast meadow]

Ofc

[devout moth]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[tender eagle]

I unfortunately did buy a ddr5 mobo, I wanted to take and advantage of all the new stuff. But sitting 5 weeks later with an entire machine ready to build minus ram has now irked my soul

[vast meadow]

Rip well good luck

[toxic tulip]

@vast meadow how big is the bottleneck between those 2?

[vast meadow]

Depends

[toxic tulip]

15% 20%?

[vast meadow]

For your use, csgo 11700 isn't worth over 11400 especially with that gpu

[toxic tulip]

well i plan to upgrade in a few months

[vast meadow]

Not much point going from 11400 to 11700

Only one worth your time imho would be to a 10850k/10900(k) but you'd need to buy a motherboard that's way overspecced for an 11400

[tender eagle]

If you turn on cpu time and gpu time on a game that allows you see that. You can easily tell your bottleneck

Which ever number is higher, is the bottle neck, and you can do the math to see how much

[tender eagle]

Appreciate the info none the less. I may just buy a new mobo and say to the hell with it

[vast meadow]

Yeah, your ddr5 one is probs still in return window anyway

[toxic tulip]

@vast meadow how about i9 11900 with the 750 ti 😄 ?

[rocky beacon]

Still a big bottleneck

But more worth it to get a 10850k or a 10900(k) right away if you will be upgrading your GPU in the future

[toxic tulip]

10900k ?

why though?

[rocky beacon]

11900K is just a more expensive version of the 10900K

[toxic tulip]

here 11900 is literarily cheaper than the 10900 by about 100 $

[rocky beacon]

What country are you in?

[toxic tulip]

romania

[shy wyvern]

Looks to be harder to find than MSRP Nvidia GPUs at this point

[shy wyvern]

10900 is way better than 11900. Better multi core, better temps. The only thing 11tg gen has going for it is memory controller

[toxic tulip]

so the 11th gen is a downgrade?

[vast meadow]

11900 is a waste of sand, it's an overpriced 11700

[grizzled bloom]

Basically yeah. 11700 is beaten by 10700 and 11900 removed 2 cores. Cursed generation.

[cerulean wadi]

Cpu/gpu time, where's that?

[tender eagle]

Some games will have options to view your gpu and cpu rendering time. Like warzone and valorant.

[grizzled bloom]

You can also see frame times in the nvidia overlay. I think the amd one too.

[keen inlet]

how likely is it to buy a used 9900k for ~200$, mod my z170 motherboard, and it ending up working flawlessly?

[grizzled bloom]

Flawlessly? Not likely even if the mod is successful because the microcode for that cpu isn't in the bios, so you'll need to find or create a custom bios.

[keen inlet]

yeah, i forgot to mention modding bios

but how likely is the whole thing to work out?

considering both mods might be hard, and there is a chance i buy a brick

[grizzled bloom]

Personally I've never attempted it. The time investment required costs me more than a new board.

From what I've seen it's maybe 50-70% success rate

[keen inlet]

what about just getting a working cpu?

i've never bought pretty much anything used, but i've heard that cpu's are the most reliable hardware

[grizzled bloom]

As long as the seller is reputable you can usually rely on the description in the listing to be accurate. I've bought several used processors and each arrived exactly how I expected.

[keen inlet]

you were buying from ebay?

[grizzled bloom]

Sometimes, also r/hardwareswap and one time offerup

[keen inlet]

i see

[toxic tulip]

what's the difference between i7 11700f and i7 11700k?

[keen inlet]

f version doesn't have a built-in graphics and is not overclockable

[toxic tulip]

@keen inlet do you think it's worth it to buy the K version?

[grizzled bloom]

At best the 11700k is equal to the 10700k. Only get the 11700k if it's cheaper than the 10700k.

[keen inlet]

if you are gonna overclock then you should probably go with the K version, but if you wanna save money and you have a dedicated graphics card then go with the F version

[vernal cosmos]

The question you should be asking is is any 11700 worth it

[keen inlet]

^ this, btw

[toxic tulip]

just how much more better it performs than the 11400?

[grizzled bloom]

In games? Not that much

[keen inlet]

yeah, probably not worth the money

[grizzled bloom]

In csgo it's like 15% difference but everything is mostly is the same

[vernal cosmos]

I would wait for zen3d tbh

And then decide what to buy

[hearty gust]

order this https://www.ebay.com/itm/294545029798 got this nothing like what i order

[vernal cosmos]

It is what you ordered tho

[hearty gust]

no

not even close

[vernal cosmos]

Just because it says amd crossfire doesnt make it an amd board

[hearty gust]

it misisng m.2 port

and no hdmi

[grizzled bloom]

It's an oem board, they do that

[hearty gust]

that not what the page state tho

it has dif photo

[hearty gust]

then the bord

[vernal cosmos]

Thats an m.2

[hearty gust]

look again

it missing

it supose to have 3 m.2 slot

[vernal cosmos]

It even says ultra m.2

[hearty gust]

not 2

[vernal cosmos]

Right there

[hearty gust]

one thim is missing

[hollow thorn]

M.2 key e for wifi cards prob

[hearty gust]

the photo show 3 m.2 on the ebay listing

[hollow thorn]

Or they use stock photos

[hearty gust]

one being pop by a wifi card

[vernal cosmos]

They used stock photos yeah

[hearty gust]

in the txt it say it has hdmi

it has no hdmi

[hollow thorn]

And m.2 key e is still a m.2 slot

[hearty gust]

look the last photo

see thear a spot for it but the port is gone

[vernal cosmos]

For 60$ its still a good deal

[grizzled bloom]

It's an oem board, their only fault here is using info for the stock model. You can contact them through eBay and see what they'll do.

[hearty gust]

yes

[toxic tulip]

do you guys think the 1700 socket motherboards will get cheaper or not?

[grizzled bloom]

They launched last month, they won't any time soon

They'll have B660 boards soon though, those are cheaper but no overclocking

[hearty gust]

hope they just take 10 or 20$ off for the mistake

im bum it has no pci slot

[keen inlet]

after reading a bit about modding 100 series boards for coffee lake, it really doesn't seem too hard. just shorting and isolating a few pins on the cpu, and getting 2xxx bios and modding it. can't take more than a few hours

[grizzled bloom]

Could be a fun project. Not one that I'd personally do for a system I'll use regularly.

[vernal cosmos]

Those are some uhhh very questionable videos on ur phone

That dont belong on this server

[hearty gust]

opps

sorry

was not my phone

[vernal cosmos]

Sure

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

I'm on mobile so I couldn't zoom in far enough to see anyway, good catch

[hearty gust]

it did not show any thing

[vernal cosmos]

Trust me ur better off not seeing em

But yeah

Anyway

I sleep

[keen inlet]

gn

[hearty gust]

all so she has a shirt on

time stamp just made it look sus lol

[vernal cosmos]

If you say so

[mild jackal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flQ0KOkztXQ

[vast meadow]

Looks like the average Corsair ram stick x)

[brittle fjord]

who is good with computer and can help me trouble shoot my ethernet

[vernal cosmos]

!ask

[devout moth]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[naive pendant]

can i ask why we shouldnt ask to ask, and just ask?

[rocky beacon]

People should just be asking the questions straight up rather than asking who can help them or asking id they can ask a question

[vernal cosmos]

Click link

[naive pendant]

i was making a joke

[hearty gust]

i was sent this https://www.newegg.com/p/1JW-001Z-001A4?Description=ASRock Z370 PRO4&cm_re=ASRock_Z370 PRO4-_-9SIACTNBF25099-_-Product&quicklink=true but got this https://www.ebay.com/itm/294545029798?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648

do i return our keep not sure

[mild jackal]

Well, does it fit your needs?

"cmos clear" https://i.imgur.com/yfdWQlv.jpg

[hearty gust]

well one issue is i cant get driver on the web site

[mild jackal]

What driver?

Rather, what on that board could possibly need a driver that win10 doesn't come with?

[hearty gust]

i cant find it on the website at all

[mild jackal]

You don't need whatever it is you're looking for

[hearty gust]

all so the book i was sent for install guid is not even for the bord i got sent

same with the cd

got this err when try install from cd

all so nee update bios cant do that too

[cerulean wadi]

Cd often has outdated stuff. Always download recent apps or drivers from manufacturer website, if you actually need it. For win10, all I did was gpu driver & a certa sata driver for my mobo. Win10 is pretty slick

[grizzled bloom]

I need sunglasses from all that light mode

[hearty gust]

well thear risk the bios is wrong

i did try dl new drive and it spat our err

Wish me luck

[mild jackal]

That poor 9700k having to live in a board like that 😦

[hearty gust]

short term

[hearty gust]

moveing to another country so not going spend a lot on a new bord

[naive pendant]

well as long as it has the features you need i guess lol

[cerulean wadi]

How's it going there? I was gonna say don't flash bios if you don't need to, but I have done it a few times w/ no issue thank fully. Flashing a gpu bios is what's more sketchy using certain nvflash versions, or at least it feels like it.

[vernal cosmos]

Anyone with an amd gigabyte board should go and check for bios updates. Major vulnerabilities have been fixed.

Update as soon as possible

[dense frost]

considering they have an AM4 chip refresh coming soon, and AM5 only at the end of 2022, this is not surprising. The AM4 refresh should keep up with Alderlake, even with DDR4

[vast meadow]

Ehh it's gonna be end of q2/start of q3 so more like 6/7 months away

[vast meadow]

And some intel boards, just if you have a gigabyte board check for a bios update

Actually check no matter what brand of board you have. *** this isn't a gigabyte specific issue***

[naive pendant]

Unless it's a power supply and it explodes

[ember marten]

No DDR4 on AM5. Zen 4 desktop (Raphael) chips simply can't support it. Pretty sure Rembrandt (Zen3+ APU releasing in CES) can't support DDR4 either.

[vast meadow]

Shame :/ i don't see why zen3+ wouldn't support ddr4 tho considering its supposed to stay on am4

[ember marten]

It's not Zen3+ in the way you think it is

[dense frost]

that makes no sense. so theres gonna be a new platform a whole 3/4 of a year before Zen 4?

[ember marten]

Zen3D is a drop in upgrade, still on AM4

Rembrandt is the new APU architecture for laptops (initially) that features Zen3+ using N6

Zen 3 with 3D vCache is still a thing, still on AM4

[vernal cosmos]

Zen3+ is not the same as zen 3d

[dense frost]

thats even more confusing 🤔

[ember marten]

Rembrandt is the Ryzen mobile series, like the Cezanne APUs. They were initially laptops only, later released for desktop

[ember marten]

Ok let me put it this way

[dense frost]

no, I know the techicalities, im confused by their strategy

[vast meadow]

Ahh right my mistake, people have being saying zen3+ and zen3d and a few other alterations

[ember marten]

There are 3 different product lines coming in 2022 for consumers

[vast meadow]

I never remember the names for cpus either i just say x gen instead

[ember marten]

There is:

1. Rembrandt, which is Zen3+ APU (Ryzen 6000G), initially laptops only, later releasing desktop versions (like Renoir, Cezanne). LPDDR5 and DDR5 only. N6

2. Zen3 with 3D Stacked vCache. Effectively the same as current Ryzen 5000 series, just with extra cache. Consequently, DDR4 only on AM4. Still N7+Glofo14nm IOD

3. Zen4 Desktop (Raphael) coming ~Q3. AM5, DDR5 only. N5+N6 IOD

[dense frost]

👆

[ember marten]

What do you find confusing?

3D vCache is an interim upgrade to stave off ADL while they finalize Zen4 (which will also have its own vCache variants), and hopefully DDR5 supply gets better

[dense frost]

Zen 3 desktop: DDR4 only. fine. Why then make a mobile apu with tweaked architecture and give it DDR5, when DDR5 doesnt offer much improvement in performance, but costs an arm and a leg

[ember marten]

Rembrandt is necessary because it's actually a substantial upgrade, at least in the iGPU, and laptop guys want yearly refreshes

[ember marten]

Because DDR5 does provide substantial uplifts in performance when limited by bandwidth, as iGPUs tend to be

Also FP bound workloads

(I guess iGPU workloads are FP bound anyways)

[vernal cosmos]

But im still pretty sure rembrandt will support ddr4

[dense frost]

oh, well that makes sense

thanks for clearign that up, bud

[ember marten]

Also even if that wasn't the case:
DDR5 looks better on paper :)

Marketing is important and is basically the entire point of yearly mobile refreshes even though they're not much better

See: Cezanne was basically Renoir with a Zen3 CCX pasted instead of Zen2. Plus finalized features that didn't make it in time for Renoir

If anything, Cezanne was the "questionable" product. Rembrandt on the other hand... Looks to be quite interesting.

[dense frost]

Well damn. hopefully it can give the M1 a run for its money

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah but 10th gen intel supports ddr3 too

Since its oem only itll be mostly ddr5 since looks good on paper

[ember marten]

Keep in mind that in order to support DDR4, it would need to be compatible with AM4 boards. By the time we see desktop versions of Rembrandt, AM5 will be released (or about to)

[vernal cosmos]

But lower end ddr4 alternatives should be available too

[vernal cosmos]

Talking about laptop

[ember marten]

M1 isn't that technically impressive. Both AMD and Intel will put it in its place, perhaps even before they reach node parity

[dense frost]

Its not impressive technically, but in real world applications, its amazing, espcially considering how efficient it is.

[ember marten]

Laptop makes even less sense. LPDDR5 is quite mature at this point. No need to support DDR4 laptops

[ember marten]

I've never seen a 10th gen CPU with DDR3. I'm gonna have to doubt this one

It was only original Skylake that had dual IMC from what I remember

[burnt spear]

Aight so just to clarify because I forget amds codenaming

This refresh that's coming early 2022

Is that ddr4 or ddr5

[dense frost]

DDR4

[burnt spear]

Ok, that makes sense

And then the new gen that comes late 2022

Is laptop cpus?

[dense frost]

no, Q3 desktop is AM5 DDR5

The laptop DDR5 is cming I dont know when

[burnt spear]

Ok that makes more sense lmao

From what I understood amd was being very weird

But i was just misunderstanding

[ember marten]

Early 2022 desktop products are DDR4, Zen3 with vCache
Laptop products are DDR5, launching/announced CES2022

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/757086018514976841/897653275338371113/Client_0.7.5.png

[main pulsar]

what is this

i like this

stealing this

[burnt spear]

:0 yellow suits you

Wait

Im stupid

I thought you were rommy

[main pulsar]

lmao

[hollow thorn]

Neat chart

[main pulsar]

its interesting how were getting all this PCIe bandwidth that no one is using

we should move away from x16 and just do x8

would be cool, but also not because of all these cards from the last 15 or so years that are x16

that suddenly no one could use

[finite elm]

Well what would you rather have the pcie bandwidth go to

[grizzled bloom]

x8 and shorter slots with an open end for x16 cards to fit are a thing

[limber dragon]

Asus does it all the time with x1 and x4 slots

[vast meadow]

A snake

[ionic bone]

Is the 5900x worth the extra $120 over the 5800x

[finite elm]

I mean if you need 12 cores you need 12 cores

[hollow thorn]

The question is more about if the extra performance from 4 extra cores is worth 120$ to YOU

[vast meadow]

For gaming, no, for workstation tasks etc quite possibly

[hollow thorn]

If you're editing all day, probably worth it, if you're just playing minesweeper all day, probably not worth it

[ionic bone]

Thanks

[finite elm]

5800x is a pain to cool though

[vast meadow]

Ehh not like you'd put a worse cooler on a 5900x

[finite elm]

True.

[ionic bone]

Im planning a full custom loop with a 3080 but was wondering if the extra is really worth it

cooling wont be an issue

[main pulsar]

oh yeah i forget they do that

[hollow thorn]

For the performance you get from a custom loop? Heck no

It'll be like 300 - 1,000$ for the loop for maybe 5% performance gain

[ionic bone]

I meant the extra performance from a 5900x, im doing the loop cause i want one

[finite elm]

What are you using the PC for?

[ionic bone]

Just gaming, i know its total overkill

[hollow thorn]

I'm not sure what the question is now...?

[finite elm]

I would go 5800x then.

[ionic bone]

thanks

[cerulean wadi]

So I only have 2 sata 3 ports on my mobo & 4 sata 2. Those should be plenty, but does anyone know a pcie card w/ sata 3 ports on it? Bootable or not is fine actually. Thnx

[vast meadow]

Probably but who needs more than 6

[cerulean wadi]

Just more sata 3, not more total per se. I guess sata 2/3 is irrelevant when just transfering files? 30MB/s I saw recently at times was probably tied to a specific transfer also.

[mild jackal]

A dremel also works

[cerulean wadi]

Yep, PciE has been plenty for a while. X4 3.0 = x8 2.0, etc.

[mild jackal]

Eh, if you've got a tuned 3090/10900k setup, you'll be missing out on maybe 5% or more running it x8 3.0

Really depends on the game. cpu/memory, gpu power limit all have to be "best case" to create the worst case pcie bandwidth bottleneck

And for a lot of compute use cases, 4.0 absolutely helps even on 5700xt's

[cerulean wadi]

exactly. it's not like SLi is much of a thing nowadays, most people will have their gpu in the single best slot which would be x16 3.0 or possibly 4.0 (4.0 x8 = 3.0 x16 so of course that's fine too). Actually funny to think how old 3.0 is (11 years). future pcie bandwidth is looking nuts.

[junior mason]

Hey guys I want to upgrade from cpu there are good deals for ryzen 7 3800x butt 5600x (5) is same price wich should I get?

[vast meadow]

What do you have atm?

But 5600x

[junior mason]

Ryzen 5 1600 af

Whit 1050 ti I want to go to 3060

[vast meadow]

what motherboard do you have

[junior mason]

Asus tuf gaming b450 plus ik

Ii*

[vast meadow]

yeah 5600x after a bios update would work

[junior mason]

Wel it is 8 core agianst 6 core?

[hollow thorn]

6 very fast cores can work faster than 8 slow cores

[junior mason]

That’s true tho but ye idk what to do

[vast meadow]

5600x beats it in single core and is equal to it in multi core

[rigid condor]

so does anyone know where i can get some ddr5

[shy wyvern]

Scalpers or stealing it

(last one is a joke plz don't do that)

[cursive epoch]

If you're lookin to buy ddr5

Just please don't

Good ddr4 kits does as well as ddr5 atm

On alder lake of course, the only ddr5 platform for consumer in the world atm

[pure current]

Could someone link me to a prebuild you'd recommend for my friend? Their budget is $1200.

[cerulean wadi]

I was eying Msi's popular $200+ MPG mobo's of various tier, but any input on the mid-range Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Elite? Currently $143 could be worth a try.

[modest vapor]

most prebuilts are over that, unless you wanna try nzxt

evga does have gpu's around msrp but you have to wait in a queue.

[cursive epoch]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-computer-technologies-ali416/p/N82E16883102994

get this one

[vast meadow]

Just buy fast ddr4 instead

[vast meadow]

13th gen intel leaked to have 8p 16e cores
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-raptor-lake-cpu-falls-to-core-i9-12900k-ryzen-9-5950x-in-early-leaked-benchmark

[dense frost]

The P cores are a problem

[vast meadow]

How so?

[dense frost]

so, 12900k .. runs hot and chugs power, so Intel cant add any more P cores. Thats why it seems (according to that article you linked) theyre trying to increase performance by adding ecores.

but the ecores arent made for performance

that my theory

[vast meadow]

The e cores are made for performance, just not single core performance, fitting 4 e cores in the space of 1 p core at roughly a 1/3 of the perf of a p core, having more e cores is better

[dense frost]

look up Hardware unboxed video on e-cores. I now its only gaming, but e-cores dont do well

[vast meadow]

Yes because gaming is a single core workload for example instead of having 8p 16 e, they could have 12p 0e cores which would loose performance in multi threaded, also you won't be gaming on e cores anyway. Going all p, they would need about 13.33 p cores to equal the multi core score, that's assuming the e to p ratio stays the same

[naive pendant]

would upgrading from

3gb 533

to 4gb 800

actually be worth while

as in, would the boost in mhz actually constitue any gains in real world

3 to 4 probably wont be much of a difference

but I mean speed wise from 533 to 800

[vast meadow]

If you're talking about 533mhz ram you're on like ddr2 so don't even bother it would be a waste of money and time trying to even find a compatible stick I'd just try save up a bit more to gen like an i3 10100 and even like 8gb of ram for that

[naive pendant]

weve

had this convo prior, in here, idk if you specifically,

but,

yes I am on ddr2,

Im trying to keep a machine alive for my family that doesnt need much more than it

old shitbox given to me recently

yes I know its ass

no im..not...buying a

1..00?

dollar...? cpu

fooooooooooor a machine that will be booted up onnnnncee a mounthhh to go to like, audacity or facebook...?

[dapper birch]

Can somebody give me some advice? I need a new cpu and I’ve got a gigabyte z170x gaming 3 motherboard, what’s the best bang for my bucks I can get, currently running a i5-6500 4 core, it barely scrapes by and it really needs replaced

PS I am gaming so I would like it to run current titles, doesn’t need to be insane because I don’t need it for heavy tasks, but right now it’s struggling to run source games

[vast meadow]

Then just don't spend any money on it bar maybe an ssd, at least that can be carried forward

[vast meadow]

What's your budget and what country? Also what ram do you have atm?

[naive pendant]

it has a barely useable 64 x2 3900 which I plan on upgrading to a 6000

[vast meadow]

Idek know what you're on about it's that old lol

[naive pendant]

ok 😐

last time I came here I apperciated that this was the exact response I did not get

guess good things come and go

[dapper birch]

I dunno what a good price is for a cpu but I want to cheap out, I’m hoping for something under 300$ I’ve got 20gb ram currently and I already plan to get another 16gb stick, my c drive is also damn near full so I know that’s slowing me down to so I’ve got a new m.2 500gb on the way

[vast meadow]

Uhh i would not run mixed sticks, best case scenario you get a bit of extra ram at the slowest speed on the kit, worse case scenario your entire windows gets corrupted

Also that's way to much ram to even be considered near worth it on a 4 core cpu

[dapper birch]

That’s why I’m getting another 16 stick so it isn’t mixed

[vast meadow]

Uh no it will still very much so be mixed

[dapper birch]

?

[vast meadow]

Unless it's the exact same ram chip you can get corruption

[dapper birch]

Yes I’m getting another of the same 16, anyway rams not my issue rn

[vast meadow]

Okay but that helps your chances, still doesn't guarantee it, what stick do you have atm?

Also what cpu cooler do you have?

And do you need wifi/Bluetooth?

[dapper birch]

I couldn’t name it off the top of my head, I have no clue what the cooler is but I’ve monitored the heat and it didn’t seem to be the issue, yes I need a Bluetooth chip

[vast meadow]

It's not something like a stock cooler, that's fine then you can reuse it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tkMTgt
@dapper birch

[dapper birch]

Thank you 🙏

[vast meadow]

Np

Ram at your own risk tho

[dapper birch]

I’ve been running mixed ram for like 2 months, I know I’ve gotta fix it

[balmy aurora]

can somebody help me find a good lga1151 motherboard under 150 with 5+ ARGB ports and 1g ethernet

[hollow thorn]

excuse me

5+ argb ports

you sure you don't want to just get a hub?

practically all of them should have 1g ethernet or better

[cursive epoch]

^

[vernal cosmos]

Mixed capacity is ok. Mixed die is not.

[dapper birch]

Die?

[vernal cosmos]

Make and model of the little black squares on the ram stick

Those guys

[dapper birch]

Ah alright, so why does mismatching them cause so much bad stuff

[cursive epoch]

Mismatching specs

That's what's bad

[vernal cosmos]

They dont play well with each other

[balmy aurora]

oh I just meant could handle 5+ argb devices, a hub is fine

[glossy silo]

Hello! Does anyone know if this is a Rev 2.0 Motherboard? https://www.newegg.com/supermicro-h11ssl-nc-single-amd-epyc-7001-series-processor/p/296-0002-00376?Description=H11SSL-NC&cm_re=H11SSL-NC-_-296-0002-00376-_-Product&quicklink=true

[vast meadow]

Also why are you buying lga 1151 boards in 2021? You better be getting a hell of a cheap 9700k/9900k

[balmy aurora]

already have a 9900k and have for years

[vast meadow]

Then why you looking for motherboards? For the rgb? Just get a hub ye

[balmy aurora]

i’m building a new system to run as a server, currently have cheap motherboard, i want to use old motherboard but for server and get new one for my current one.

[hollow thorn]

(SATA powered argb hubs exist)

[vast meadow]

Unless you find a combo of a good 9th cpu and mobo you'd be better off getting a 10400 and b560 motherboard, would run ~250$ together

[oak prawn]

Msi b550

I’m gonna be getting that is that good for a 5600?

@vast meadow ?

[vast meadow]

Depends on what b550

[oak prawn]

Msi b550 A PRO ATX AM4 motherboard

That

[vast meadow]

A pro is fine, usually not the best choice tho

[oak prawn]

So what is a good motherboard for a 5600?

[vast meadow]

Depends what country

[oak prawn]

USA

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi I'd get this

[oak prawn]

What about the one I told you about is that one good

[vast meadow]

It's fine too, more expensive tho

[oak prawn]

Is that the only con for the one I sent you

@vast meadow ?

[vast meadow]

You can get other better boards for cheaper

[oak prawn]

So it’s only the price that affects it?

[vast meadow]

And competition

[oak prawn]

Wym

[vast meadow]

The competition like the other boards for the price

[oak prawn]

Oh

[oak prawn]

So what is good ram for the motherboard I’m getting?

@vast meadow ?

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4JBhP6/crucial-ballistix-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4bl

[oak prawn]

That’s good ram for the motherboard?

[vast meadow]

That's good ram for a 5600x yeah, motherboards don't matter much for your ram choices, more of a cpu thing

[oak prawn]

And a case

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

Anything else? I can just do a list if you want but cmon i aint doing it 1 by 1 lol

[oak prawn]

Basically everything that goes good with a 5600 and that looks good

[vast meadow]

So a whole pc list?

[oak prawn]

Yea

[vast meadow]

If so what budget

And what use?

[oak prawn]

Below 800

[vast meadow]

@oak prawn

Do you already have a gpu?

800 isn't enough for a 5600x and a decent gpu really

[oak prawn]

It doesn’t matter

The price

[vast meadow]

Huh?

[oak prawn]

The price don’t matter

As long as the pc runs good it don’t matter

[vast meadow]

Well you're gonna wanna set a budget, what's your definition of good, what games what resolution etc

[oak prawn]

I usually play warzone Roblox Minecraft and gta

[vast meadow]

Then don't get a 5600x

How much are you willing to spend?

If it's actually under 800$ get this
https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-pavilion-gaming-desktop-tg01-1070m-3g825av-1
And replace the ram with this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4FKHx/silicon-power-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5

Or something like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mrbVt8

[oak prawn]

Well I thought a 5600 was meant for gaming tho

[vast meadow]

Graphics card is more important, 5600x is a CPU you would put in like a 1400$ build or something

[oak prawn]

Well I’m getting the gpu last

[vast meadow]

Well then even more reason to not get the 5600x, it doesn't have any form of graphics so the pc wont even turn on

[oak prawn]

So your saying the 5600 sucks?

[vast meadow]

Not at all I'm saying your pc won't turn on if you have a 5600x and no graphics card, but it's a terrible choice for your budget

[oak prawn]

Ok I’m gonna have all the parts besides the gpu by Christmas

And on my bday I will have the gpu

Is that good

My bday is in march

[vast meadow]

That will do, the 10400 will at least work til you can get a gpu

[sage grove]

What is a good cooler for 5900x

[oak prawn]

@vast meadow https://zttdeals.com/1261

Look at that

[vast meadow]

Arctic liquid freezer ii 280mm or above

[vast meadow]

Meh motherboard

[oak prawn]

Not that good huh

[vast meadow]

No otherwise i would have put it in the list

[oak prawn]

Oh

[cerulean wadi]

Very latest mobo/chipset that uses ddr3? Gonna possibly see how cheap and/or much of an upgrade I could get while reusing this 32gb of 1866 I have. Pointless compared to a $200 6core + cheap 590 mobo?

[balmy aurora]

what mobo and cpu combo can i get for under 200

ideally something like 2nd or 3rd gen ryzen or like 7th gen intel

im fine with used

[hollow thorn]

You can get a 10100 and a b560 board for around 210 iirc

[balmy aurora]

also does my current board have an ARGB port that i could hook a fan hub up to

[hollow thorn]

Not sure what board you have

[balmy aurora]

oh

a mod deleted the link

[cyan raft]

It was a Z390 UD

[balmy aurora]

"GIGABYTE Z390 UD (LGA 1151 (300 Series) Intel Z390"

[cyan raft]

And nope it only has one RGB header

Not ARGB

[balmy aurora]

okay sorry i dont know a lot about this, argb just means it can control the leds individually, with a normal rgb port i can still hook a fan hub up and tell all the fans to show a color

thru software

[hollow thorn]

Argb and rgb are not interchangeable though, argb fans can't use rgb headers unless you want them to burn, and vice versa.

[balmy aurora]

ah

but with RGB ports i can still control the color of the fans thru software right

if i purchased normal rgb fans instead of argb

[cyan raft]

Yes

[hollow thorn]

Yea

[balmy aurora]

okay sweet, i assume i also need a different type of fan hub?

[cyan raft]

Yep

[hollow thorn]

3 main headers relating to fans
4 pin pwm, you can use 3 pin dc fans on 4 pin pwm headers if you want, just means no pwm control, 12v.
4 pin rgb, not interchangeable with argb, 12v.
3 pin argb, not interchangable with rgb, 5v.

[balmy aurora]

whats pwm?

[cyan raft]

You can control the speed of the fans

[balmy aurora]

ah i thought so

[hollow thorn]

Pulse Width Modulation, fancy way of saying fancy fan control

[balmy aurora]

so on my board i have 4 fan headers, and only one rgb header, I want to use 5 fans with at least 4 having rgb

[hollow thorn]

It allows for finer fan control than DC, and will feed the fan 12v constantly

Sounds like 1 pwm splitter and a RGB hub maybe

[balmy aurora]

why maybe on the rgb hub

if i only have 1 header dont i definitely need one

[hollow thorn]

Maybe in general, there's other setups

Some hubs have multiple fan headers and RGB headers

Some just do rgb

[balmy aurora]

ah okay, im not sure how i currently have my stuff set up, i know i have some form of hub and have 5 rgb fans running

2 on my aio

i built it like 3 years ago when i was v young

[balmy aurora]

what type of headers are on my board?

[hollow thorn]

You have 1 CPU Fan header (4 pin pwm but shows up differently in bios)
3 system fan headers (4 pin pwm)
1 RGB LED strip header (4 pin rgb)

[balmy aurora]

you say rgb led strip header, but is that capable of connecting to an rgb fan hub instead of a strip

[hollow thorn]

Yes, I was just presenting the name gigabyte gave to the header and then what it actually was

[balmy aurora]

i currently have a 240mmm aio but theres only one CPU fan header, what does that affect?

[hollow thorn]

Doesn't matter much, the only thing different about "CPU fan" and "sys fan" headers is the name they show up as in bios and default fan curves

[balmy aurora]

ah okay

[hollow thorn]

So physically the same, software just works with them slightly differently

[balmy aurora]

what software can i control that rgb header through?

also, wouldn't 1 header to 5 rgb devices draw way too much poewr for that header?

[hollow thorn]

Best software is no software

Whatever is compatible tbh

[hollow thorn]

Hubs tend to also be powered by something else in addition to just the rgb header, commonly sata power, sometimes usb

[balmy aurora]

oh okay

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Chassis-Adapter-adsorption/dp/B08HVJSQLK/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=sata+rgb+hub+4+pin&qid=1639003893&sr=8-8

is that a good option then?

[hollow thorn]

I thought you wanted more rgb?

[balmy aurora]

i need a hub for fans and a hub for rgb

seperately

[hollow thorn]

At the start I suggested just grabbing a splitter since you had 5 fans and 4 headers

[balmy aurora]

i actually need 6 fans i realized

so 2 splitters?

[hollow thorn]

Reason being the headers are rated for 1a, common fans tend to be rated .2-.4a each

Sure, that should also work

[balmy aurora]

can you help me find an rgb hub?

[hollow thorn]

I could try in a moment

[balmy aurora]

also, is it sinning to take the thermaltake fans off of my thermaltake aio and to replace all my fans with some offbrand rgb fan brand so i can control them all in one software

[gentle acorn]

So my CPU is running at sub 1GHz any idea why that’s happening?

Nevermind im a complete idiot

[balmy aurora]

what happened lol im curious now

[gentle acorn]

Forgot to plug in my AIO’s pump

So i was thermal throttling

[balmy aurora]

nice lmao

[gentle acorn]

Yeeeeeep

[vast meadow]

It would be a b560 but way to old to be worth your time

[cerulean wadi]

Ddr3? Well anyways check this out, certain cheap b560 mobos limit all-core clocks.

[vast meadow]

Yeah any ddr3 cpu wouldn't be worth your time, iirc the latest ddr3 cpu is intel 4th gen

[vast meadow]

Keep in mind this is just the stock config, the higher end boards auto enable power limits off, the lower/mid end ones sometimes don't nothing more than a bios setting also wouldn't be like that in games, that's multi core

[topaz lava]

ryzen 5 5600x isnt compatible with the a320m-k motherboard correct

?

[cerulean wadi]

Nope, up to 3rd gen only I think@topaz lava

[vast meadow]

God no please dont get a ~100$ b550 or an okay b450/x470 if upgrading and you already have that

[dense perch]

Is there any information regarding replacement of this part for the wifi antenna?
the bottom part of the holder has fallen off and cant stay attached

x570 dark hero btw

[topaz lava]

@vast meadow im not to good at building i dont know if i can switch the motherboard is it difficult

[cyan raft]

It’s fairly easy

[topaz lava]

any yt vids and is the b550 what i should get? @cyan raft

[cyan raft]

What’s your current mobo and CPU?

[topaz lava]

ryzen 3 3100 and a320m-k

in the future to a 5600x and a 2070 super

[cosmic quail]

I am building a new gpu rig and I have an intel G5905 cpu and I have rtx 3060s, 3070s that I want to use to mine with. I purchased an ASUS b560M mobo and it would not run HiveOS at all! So I had to undo everything and return it. Now I am trying to find another mobo that will work without breaking the bank. What do I look for? I appreciate any help. Thanks.

[naive pendant]

Go with a 3060 only $400 and faster

[naive pendant]

Idk contact asus they might have something

[cursive epoch]

3060 isn't faster than a 2070s

it actually isn't lel

also good luck finding a 3060 for 400, that's insanely hard

looks like it's equal more than anything in perf tho

[balmy aurora]

any update

[regal obsidian]

I am dead inside
I have gotten two dead 5900x's in a row, and I am salty af XD

Or some obscure thing is preventing me from running them, but one is confirmed ded by the factory. so I'm at a loss at what it could be, and rely on some higher power to bless me with good fortune

[cursive epoch]

What mobo do you have?

It might just be bios update being required

[regal obsidian]

Asrock X570 Exteme4 running the p3.80 update with AGESA update 1.2.0.3

I am 99% positive that my BIOS isn't the problem, else I don't think they'd send a new processor

I just wanted to rant more-so since it's frustrating lol

Though I guess I'm worried about sending this processor back since I'm worried about them denying the warranty due to this CPU being sent out from the previous one's warranty :/

[dense frost]

are you sure they didnt send you the old one back by mistake?

[regal obsidian]

No, it's a different CPU. The serial is different

[dense frost]

ok. any chance you can try the cpu in another machine?

[regal obsidian]

I can. I have another PC that I used to test the first dead one.

It's an Asrock B450 board, and it has the P3.60 update to support the 5000 series. It'll be my last test to check if the current CPU is busted, but It's late and I already have a headache lol

[dense frost]

my sympathies bud. hope you come right

[regal obsidian]

I appreciate it. You by chance have had any bad luck like this in the past?

[dense frost]

I had 2 successive motherboards die on me. MSI.

RMAd first one, when second one died, asked for cash and bought an Asus one

[regal obsidian]

Well that makes me feel a bit better at least lol

[dense frost]

Sometimes one just has bad luck 😉

[regal obsidian]

Yeah. Though unfortunately I don't quite have the option to choose a different brand lol

[dense frost]

ofc 😆

[vast meadow]

You'll definitely want to change motherboard if changing cpu, what one you should get specifically depends on your country, if US I'd get the msi pro vdh WiFi it's like 120$ atm

[hollow thorn]

Try this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0989WCRTV/

[misty obsidian]

What's the email to report price gougers again ?

Or is 450$ cad for a single 16gb stick of ddr5 the price now

[hollow thorn]

a single stick, nah, a kit of 2x16, might get close, the email is
[e-mail]

[topaz lava]

@hollow thorn does the b550 DS3H compatible with Ryzen 5 5600x

[main pulsar]

most likely, consult the motherboards cpu sipport list, its just on the manufacturers website

[vernal cosmos]

It is but I wouldn't buy it

[rocky beacon]

DS3H motherboards have a history of not being great

[cursive epoch]

B550 version is fine

But meh, it's not cheap enough to justify

[hollow thorn]

Might need bios update so that makes it annoying on a board without flashback

[vast meadow]

Better to get a msi b550 pro vdh WiFi assuming you're in the us

[naive pendant]

the asus crosshair xiii light hero needs to be a thing..

who else agrees

[cerulean wadi]

My friggin eyes...

Let's GOOO!!

We paid for the mobo, we want to see the mobo. Even in a blackhole.

[dim cloak]

Negative colors to create a color design for a board

I love it

[naive pendant]

ive seen multiple 3060's for free

well, if you get away with stealing it

[cursive epoch]

there was white pcb mobo before

but then it died off

[cursive epoch]

facts

[main pulsar]

we just need more colors in general

everythings just black

like

everything

then we have the occasional white part

and then ram is just whatever, i swear they make ram in any color combination nowadays

[limber dragon]

Where blue ddr4

[main pulsar]

uhh

theres actually a teamgroup kit i think

yeah with that cringy name

https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/0RN-003M-00113

[limber dragon]

Oh I thought that was just rgb, not just rgb

[main pulsar]

nah it 🅱️

well

🇧

i mean i guess you could make the argument that its a more dark purple

when the lights are off at least

[vast meadow]

I need some sunglasses

[upper rose]

rg🅱️

[finite elm]

an all Blue Build, with Neon Blue custom liquid cooling. and a blue mobo.

and it has a tiny screen that just has a Blue Man group slideshow on it.

[cerulean wadi]

I'm not even running the blue stuff anymore, still Kingston though. Lame, newer stuff just says "HyperX is a division of Kingston". Well, quite a few other options.

[cerulean wadi]

Glad I got my 32GB already cheap on Ebay. wtf Amazon. I know, I know. This'll be a great secondary PC though.

[vast meadow]

It's because ddr3 hasn't been in production for like 6 years

[cerulean wadi]

Yeah I know haha, and 1 pair of the sticks was... Edit: yikes, this kit was $87. Well, not bad. You see that Patriot though, $55 for 16GB. Of course by now, not like anyone would need to by any more ddr3 your'd think.

[cerulean wadi]

https://bit-tech.net/news/tech/memory/gskill-announces-trident-z5-ddr5-6600-32gb-memory-kits/1/

[cursive epoch]

timings

god

that's what kills the deal for ddr5

dem latency

[vast meadow]

Nah just cuz it's new, timings seemed like a huge jump from ddr3 to ddr4 too

[cerulean wadi]

tbh it's about overall true latency. 10ms would be decent. Like C18 3600mhz ddr4.

It'll get much better soon enough. 6600 mhz is pretty high (for now), that doesnt help also. Funny to basically have a ghz war w/ ram instead of cpus. 7ghz ram, 8ghz ram eventually.

[cursive epoch]

yeah im aware

that's why it's bad atm

it has to be lower

not as low as ddr4 cause it can't be happening ofc

but lower than now

[vast meadow]

Or freq goes up, either or, but 6600 cl36 i feel would be pretty good

[dense frost]

any hard testing done with DDR5 vs DDR4? I dont mean arbitrary MB/S or whatever. I mean actual real world performance?

https://www.pcmag.com/news/ddr5-vs-ddr4-how-much-performance-will-you-gain-from-todays-newest-ram

tl:dr currently not worth the price premium

[vast meadow]

Derbaur and ltt have done vids, i believe dawid does tech stuff also

[cerulean wadi]

Decent for sure, because the bandwidth would be pretty great. We'll be set when we have C36 at 7200Mhz, which technically has the same overall latency as C18* 3600. Of course double the bandwidth should be quite helpful w/ some things.

[vast meadow]

c*rsair vengence ddr5 looks very nice i must say

[dense frost]

why did you sensor the name?

[vast meadow]

gotta keep it PG x)

[dense frost]

fair. 🤣

but I must admit all the DDR5 designs look fire. they all futuristic and sleek.

[cerulean wadi]

[hollow thorn]

TPU also did a round of testing

[misty obsidian]

I've been waiting for a month looking for DDR5 everyday and haven't found any

just bought some 3600 c14 ddr4 and I'll use that for a while

maybe if it's possible in a year or two I'll get another motherboard and some good DDR5

(if it's a worthy upgrade)

[vast meadow]

dont bother tbh, it wont be

[misty obsidian]

benchmarks will tell that story but for gaming I truly expect it not to be indeed

maybe for some server hosting application it would be better

database servers will love the faster io

[vast meadow]

uhh ram speed doesnt have anything to do with io, also there have been benchmarks with fast ddr4 vs fast(for now) ddr5, couple % perf increase, mainly for 1% lows

[cerulean wadi]

Not worth more than double 3600 C18

[misty obsidian]

I'm wondering if I should turn my old parts into a working PC with no GPU

or just sell them as parts

only missing
-a case (i'd get a 40$ used fractal )
-power suppply (50$ 650w psu )
-storage ( 50$ for a 500gb ssd)

canadian dollars btw

i7-7700k
asus maximus hero z270
gskill ddr4 3200 cl14 2x8
phanteks large air cooler

[vital field]

if all youre missing is a gpu id say try and find a gpu and sell it off as a pc instead of separate

[vast meadow]

3600cl18 is meh at best, equal to 3200cl16 or worse depending on the sub timings

[misty obsidian]

gpu prices are stupid, i'll lose money ahaha

even used GPUs are 500cad

[cerulean wadi]

Missing psu , case, storage lol

[misty obsidian]

missing around 200$ worth of parts

[vital field]

this is why you should read kids, didnt see the "only missing" thought it was a list of parts they had

[hollow thorn]

who is going to buy a gpu-less system tho

[misty obsidian]

someone with a GPU ? idk ahaha

[hollow thorn]

that's rare

[vital field]

would be better to try and sell it all off together if you can instead of one by one but dont know the market in canada

[cerulean wadi]

1st is just my go to for usual prices, or C16 of it.

[vital field]

me with a gpu sitting around on my shelf rn

[hollow thorn]

lol

[misty obsidian]

could always just buy a gt-710 for 200$

and put a 3080ti cooler on it

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[vast meadow]

🤮

[cerulean wadi]

7700 is still 4/8 huh? Not tough sales, but not big money either. W/ a decent GPU would help a lot

[misty obsidian]

I sold my old 1080ti for 700cad in 2 hours

maybe I should have kept it lol

[topaz lava]

I got the Msi a pro b550 It should be good for future upgrades right

[naive pendant]

what it should look like, vs what it actually looks like

[cerulean wadi]

Lol, yep.

[cerulean wadi]

In another year or 2, it might not have gotten you 700. 7700 is just a tough sell sort of. The set you have could be $350 maybe? 300? I'd just do the minimum for a spare pc, but I have roommates or relatives that sometimes need pc upgrades.

[vast meadow]

uhh ryzen 5000 or 5000xt if it comes out is the last gen on that socket soo ehh debatable

[topaz lava]

Oh ok

[oak prawn]

Who here is trying to help me get all the parts for my pc

(Like show what parts will run well)

[vast meadow]

pretty sure i already did

[oak prawn]

Does it matter what kind of ram I get?

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

Ye

[oak prawn]

So what kind of ram do I need?

[vast meadow]

I gave you a list I'm pretty sure

[oak prawn]

Can u resend it?

[vast meadow]

Nope discord search is down atm for me but just look up from pato mentions dunkin donuts when it's back up in the search

[nocturne cave]

looking for ddr5 if anyone has any for sale.....at a reasonable price 🙂

[cursive epoch]

just get ddr4, cause ddr5 isn't any better than good ddr4 atm