cpus-mobo-and-memory

[shy wyvern]

and a halo 5 xbox one

and now a halo xsx

but my dad stole it

he has it in his room

[finite elm]

I have a Halo reach 360. But it's not big enough imo

[shy wyvern]

I just have my series s

[finite elm]

I like the space the Halo 3 one would offer for cooling

I like the series S for backwards compatibility.

[shy wyvern]

Oh I like the series s for the emulation and a gamepass machine

I didn't want a series s though

[finite elm]

Saw an article about it being a glorified Xbox 360. And ya know what? I'm fine with that

[finite elm]

Yesss retro arch is great

[shy wyvern]

I was going to get a 3070

but gpus impossible to find

I saved all my moneys

gave up

bought a series s

then I saved up all my moneys

gave up

bought a new mobo + ram + cpu

now I saving up all my moneys

[finite elm]

I spent too much on tech. Need to stop tbh. But its funnnn

[shy wyvern]

wait

how much was your 3090

[finite elm]

2200$

1475 for my 3080 ti in the other PC

[vernal cosmos]

He gives great pc build advice and lists and knows what hes talkin about lol

[limber dragon]

Until he doesn't know what he's talking about, in this case telling Tulip to change vsoc on an intel system

[vast meadow]

Chill i made 1 mistake lol

[vernal cosmos]

He made one mistake by calling an intel value by its amd counterpart. Its not a big deal. Hes human. He makes mistakes too.

Compare that to how many people he has helped

And how many times hes earned peoples trust by helping em

Techies dont have to know everything

Not right to say he shouldnt have techie or even imply it when u take those numbers into consideration

[limber dragon]

And you guys keep bringing it up and pinging me about it

[vernal cosmos]

I mean you said you werent certain pato has techie

I just gave you the reason

[limber dragon]

You and like 3 other people, if you had read the chat

[vernal cosmos]

That should be enough reasons for you

If u want more tho, i can ask a few other people who pato has helped out tremendously to add their points

[limber dragon]

If you want to keep bringing it up, knock yourself out

[vernal cosmos]

Ill take it u know why pato earned techie now then?

[limber dragon]

@shy wyvern https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/902660521889759263/914068067254960138/unknown.png may or may not help, but 4100mts with 1.25vccsa

[shy wyvern]

Alright thank you

Dang I can't see the vddq voltage

Also 4100 cl16??

Holy crap

[limber dragon]

What ranges have you tried for vddq?

[shy wyvern]

I'm at 1.45v

For vddq

I didn't touch sa

1.25 sa 1.45 vddq gave ram error

Single error memtest

For 4266

4000 stable at stock sa 1.45 vddq

What should I try raising or messing with next?

Ram set to 1.45v btw

Also @limber dragon do you know what's safe range for vddq voltage?

[limber dragon]

Up to 1.4-1.45 should be fine

Possibly higher, but Im not certain and don't want to have you run dangerous voltage

[shy wyvern]

What's the highest safe voltages for SA?

Should I also try pushing dram to 1.5?

I pushed dram to 1.47

40 seconds so far no errors, huh

Is it safe to push dram to 1.5?

Because 1.47 seems to have 4266 stable

Well wait for test to finish though

[vast meadow]

depends what die theyre using for dram voltages tbh

[shy wyvern]

1.45v is the xmp profile

They're a hynix die but idk which one

Welp 1.48 dram 1.25 da 1.45vddq and still not 4266

I think I should just stick for 4000 mhz :/

I'm getting 1 error per run for dram

Wait really? 4200 isn't erroring out but 4266 is...

2 minutes into memtest5 so far

How is 66mhz making that much of a difference?

[vast meadow]

it be like that sometimes

[shy wyvern]

Still no errors lol

4266 was erroring like crazy wtf

66mhz legit caused ram to be silly

I'll run the test twice but it may just work at 4200. 4200 is high enough. I don't need 4400

NO I GOT AN ERROR ON THIRD CYCLE

What do I mess with now to get it stable

It's so close

[vast meadow]

btw youre gonna wanna change profile to extreme anta when you get something stable on this, this is fine for quick check but extreme anta should fine faster

[shy wyvern]

Alright

Should I go from 1.48 to 1.5 on dram?

[vast meadow]

also extreme anta should take 3ish hours for you for a full run

[shy wyvern]

I'm at 1.25 sa 1.45 vddq 1.48 dram

[vast meadow]

ehhh im not too sure on the voltage safety for the hynix dies, also dont know which hynix die you have

[shy wyvern]

Whatever these serial numbers are

Seller said they were hynix dies

What Reddit says they're b dies

Is there a list somewhere?

Or is there a program that will tell me what die?

[vernal cosmos]

can you take a more clear pic of the label?

the label on the heat spreader

[vast meadow]

pvs416Q440C9k

[shy wyvern]

That's an earlier file

They're in my rig now

Since I can't get above 4000 stable

And the default timings are 19-19-19-39

Should I just push lower timings?

I'mma try 17-17-17-34

[vernal cosmos]

thats b die

[shy wyvern]

Ah okay

I can't get it to run 4400 xmp for the life of me

1.45 vddq 1.25 sa 1.48 dram is what I tried

[vernal cosmos]

you can push 1.5v

dram

[shy wyvern]

Is it worth trying that?

[vernal cosmos]

yeah

b die scales well

[shy wyvern]

4000 mhz is stable

Alright

[vast meadow]

is it i couldnt find that kit anywhere lol

[shy wyvern]

17-17-17-34 on 4000 seems like it's doing alright in the basic memtest5

I got this ram for $25 a stick

So I'm trying to make the most of it lol

What's better, cl17 4000 or 4400 cl19?

[vernal cosmos]

https://youtu.be/jQ7HB4ouLTU?t=2523
Timestamped for convenience

[vernal cosmos]

4000c17

[vast meadow]

youll have to test yourself but probs 4400 c19 depeends on sub timings tho

[vast meadow]

ahh i just checked the list in the description instead

[shy wyvern]

If I can't get 4400 to work

I'mma try for cl17 4000

Seems like a decent alternative

[vernal cosmos]

list lists em too

[shy wyvern]

A lot of people on Ryzen 5000 have gotten 4000 cl17 to work. If my memory controller can't handle the 4400 I think that may be a good second option

[vernal cosmos]

dont compare ram frequencies on ryzen to intel

they use ram differently

[shy wyvern]

Do they behave that different?

[vernal cosmos]

yes

[shy wyvern]

I haven't done amd since my phenom Ii x6 1055t tbh

[vernal cosmos]

massive difference

[shy wyvern]

17-17-17-34 @1.45 volts basic memtest5

[vast meadow]

you sure i only saw a 4000cl17 kit from patriot on that list?

wait nvm

i checked 2x16 not 4x8

smoooth brain

[shy wyvern]

Yeah I have 2x8x2

I got it for $100

[vernal cosmos]

maybe fitz is right

[shy wyvern]

A steal

[vernal cosmos]

jk

[vast meadow]

shup

[shy wyvern]

Thank you all for my first push into memory nonsense

My last kit was 3000 cl16 lol

Oops accidentally did 17-17-17-34 4400 and it didn't even boot lol

Booted under 4400 for the first time

LOL NO WHERE CLOSE

[vernal cosmos]

what timings you doing

and what voltage

[shy wyvern]

1.5 stock timings

I'm just trying to get the kit to do the xmp profile

19-19-19-39 are stock timings

Gear 2

Vddq @1.45 sa @1.25

I just want my ram to work with xmp lol

[vernal cosmos]

try 4000c16 16 16 16 34 @1.5v vdimm

[shy wyvern]

Alright

That few hour test thing was stable at 4000 19-19-19-39 btw so I know for sure that's the bare minimum we can push

I been doing 30x1.33 is that better than 40x1.00?

I figured they're about equal but I wanna ask

This with dram 1.5, vddq 1.45 and sa 1.25?

I'm into windows, that's good start

Test is running now

@vernal cosmos should I tune this even more? 4000mhz 16-16-16-34 passed basic memtest5

[vast meadow]

Do extreme anta first

[shy wyvern]

"first"

That's a few hours XD

[vast meadow]

Yep

[shy wyvern]

I did it with the 4000 cl19-19-19-39 as per your suggestion too

It showed that was stable

Didn't realize it took so long LOL

[vast meadow]

Yeah like 2-3 hours or so

For a slower 32gb kit could take around 4 hrs

[shy wyvern]

I'm running basic memtest5 once more to make sure before I do anta

Because if I get any errors I'm not going to bother doing anta

[vast meadow]

Anta would probs catch those errors faster but okay

[shy wyvern]

Ah

Alright here we go again

Gonna open my window. 12600k at 100% load for a few hours is really really good at heating my room

[umbral finch]

ram isnt clocked at its max usually but does it come clocked correct on laptops or do i have to clock it from bios

[shy wyvern]

Depends on the laptop

Like my laptop has no option for xmp but will run sticks natively up to 3200mhz

[vast meadow]

laptop ram runs jedec, most laptops dont let you oc, some msi ones do to my knowledge but most dont

[shy wyvern]

Some laptops have xmp options though. Very rare

The only one I've seen do that was this one that used full size ddr3L dimms

[umbral finch]

people say its not oc-ing , i mean ram that have names like 4600mh usually are 1444mh or smthn unless u change it from bios

[shy wyvern]

2133/2400 is standard ddr4 speed

Most laptops will not run ram at this speed, but rather the highest they support

[vernal cosmos]

JDEC standard

[vast meadow]

mhz? also no any laptop that could theoritally run 4600mhz it would only run 2133mhz min

[vernal cosmos]

Its more to do with the fact that you cant cool ram in a laptop since no space tbh

[vast meadow]

also most dont let you change in bios

[umbral finch]

ok

[shy wyvern]

Ah that actually makes sense

Fun fact I run ddr4 2400 in my gaming laptop LOL

It came with 1 stick of 3200 8gb and I swapped it out with my 2400 2x8gb kit from my old laptop

I don't ever game on it tbh, 10750h GTX 1650. Don't think memory speed matters that much for that thing

20 minutes in and no errors. In going to bed now. Good night everyone. Will update everyone on 16-16-16-34 4000 stability in morning

[vast meadow]

night, good luck

[shy wyvern]

Woah I ranked up

I'm vip now

[vast meadow]

congrats

[cursive epoch]

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i9_12900k_ddr4_versus_ddr5_performance_review,18.html

another proof to ddr5 being utter useless crap

atm that is

the latency is big yikes

[naive pendant]

CL100 moment

[pale fox]

AMD Ryzen 5 5600G is it a good cpu?

[vast meadow]

fine cpu, good integrated graphics tho

[pale fox]

How about ryzen 5 5600X?

[livid sparrow]

A good cpu, but Intel matches/beats its performance for cheaper with 11th gen, specifically the 11600k

[pale fox]

Is it good for gaming?

[livid sparrow]

Both are, yes

[pale fox]

So is it better to get the 5600x than the 5600g?

[burnt spear]

Not counting mobo

[livid sparrow]

Unless you need an igpu, it is better to get the 5600x

[burnt spear]

B550 cheaper than b560

[vast meadow]

well do you have a gpu?

[vast meadow]

ehhhhh

not really

[burnt spear]

Pato you're the one who told me that :p

[vast meadow]

it used to be by like 10$ maybe

but now cheaper/even

[pale fox]

I had a 3600 but I got a replacement but I just got given the refund due to not in stock

[vast meadow]

so you have a gpu? then get a 5600x ye

[pale fox]

GTX 1650 good enough?

[vast meadow]

as long as you have some display out ye

[pale fox]

Ah kk

[burnt spear]

Wouldn't be my first choice to run with a 5600x but you can always upgrade later

[pale fox]

What do u have?

[burnt spear]

Wdym

[pale fox]

Cpu

[burnt spear]

Look at my name

[pale fox]

Ryzen 5 3600?

[burnt spear]

Yes

[vast meadow]

? they literally will be getting it for like 50-100$ or whatever currency they use then, already have mobo etc and got refund for defective 3600

[vernal cosmos]

Wot

[livid sparrow]

? The 11600k is cheaper and beats or matches the 5600x. This isn't controversial

[vernal cosmos]

Oh i misread

I thought u meant the 5600x is cheaper

💀

My bad

[livid sparrow]

Don't worry

I understand

[vernal cosmos]

:)

[vast meadow]

11600k price to perf is 💩 cuz you need a z590 to take advantage of it

need to include whole platform cost

[livid sparrow]

What? Since when did you need a z590 to optimally use the 11600k? I know I don't invest as much time in studying Intel, but I thought they got rid of most of the differences with their Z and B 500 series boards

Oh, I see, I forgot they still don't allow overclocking CPU with the b560 boards

[vast meadow]

ye not really much point buying a cpu to overclock and put it on a board that will either throttle it or cost as much as a z590 which will let you oc

[livid sparrow]

I mean, the only way you really start loosing the price advantage is if you are planning on doing something with an mATX board, ATX B550 boards start at about $115 right now while Z590 starts at $135. There is about a $50 dollar difference between the 5600x and 11600k right now, so if you stick to one of the cheaper ATX Z590 boards you'll still save money

[vast meadow]

nothing wrong with matx, b550 aorus pro is still 100$ so great option

[vast meadow]

those are crappy asrock z590s tho kinda want to skip to gigabyte ud or msi a pro or something

[vast meadow]

if you wanna go intel/save money at the i5 level grab the 11400 instead and a b560 for like 100$

[livid sparrow]

The MSI A-Pro is 135

Or 129 if you buy Newegg and do rebates

[vast meadow]

oh nice

still tho

[warm bolt]

Yo @grizzled bloom

Changed my mind again. Is GIGABYTE Z690 Gaming X a good ddr4 board for 12700k?

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z690-Gaming-DDR4-Motherboard/dp/B09J5TC4F8/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=GIGABYTE+Z690+Gaming+X&qid=1638029533&s=pc&sr=1-1
This except $230 through amazon.

[vast meadow]

Personally the step up of boards worth considering are z690 a pro, then gigabyte aorus pro

[warm bolt]

aorus pro ddr5 board

Both of those are ddr5 boards

[vast meadow]

They both have ddr4 equivalents same name just d4 or ddr4 after name

[warm bolt]

the z690a pro is basically the same just better wifi?

[vast meadow]

There's a WiFi and non wifi variant, they seem to have dropped the gaming x price but can't remember what the vrms are like on it, probs decent tbf tho, a pro is 210$ atm after a 10$ rebate tho

[warm bolt]

Yeah and then if I get that. What memory? I wanted to get really fast memory since I was going to take a fall on ddr5 prices anyway was thinking this. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374290?Description=ddr4&cm_re=ddr4-_-20-374-290-_-Product

Or maybe this for $40 cheaper https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374295?Description=ddr4&cm_re=ddr4-_-20-374-295-_-Product

[vast meadow]

Wow that looks like a really nice kit for xmp intel yeah, 1.55v is a tad high so you'll needa make sure that you have good airflow over your ram

[warm bolt]

Would you do the 4600 or 4800? I can't imagine that is doing much to justify $40 but idk.

Like how many frames would that really affect? Maybe 1? So like margin of error anyway?

[vast meadow]

This looks decent too, I'd probs go with this instead tho
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/66NxFT/oloy-blade-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-nd4u1636163brade I'd grab this personally, it's a definite b die kit, so if you don't mind tweaking a tad, you can get higher if you want or run 3800 tight timings so you can keep gear 1, the usually pretty much same as fast gear 2 ram

[warm bolt]

I mean that's the same price and in white my build is black. Is it that you can keep the case latency down while getting faster speeds with that or?

Otherwise I think I might cop the 4600

[vast meadow]

I don't see them being anything but b die anyway tbh so sure

[warm bolt]

What does b die mean?

[vast meadow]

B die is the overclocking focused ram die, a die is the ram chips on the pcb of the ram

[vernal cosmos]

I got confused at a die is the ram chips on the pcb

Like for wayyy too long

[vast meadow]

As in like A die instead a die lmao

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah

I legit thought u were talking about samsung a die

[warm bolt]

@vast meadow how do I refuse a delivery...?

It won't let me cancel my ddr5 mobo even though it said it wouldn't ship until the 29th and I just ordered the ddr4 board.

[hollow thorn]

You should be able to cancel it from the shipping company side

[vast meadow]

Lol bit confusing

[warm bolt]

I talked to support he said he was going to put in a recall request.

[hollow thorn]

Nice

[warm bolt]

Wait wtf is this?

@hollow thorn

[shy wyvern]

@vernal cosmos @vast meadow I got a single error 5.5 hours into the test. Test just finished. That bad?

[vernal cosmos]

Yes

[shy wyvern]

welp

[vernal cosmos]

Try 1.53v

[shy wyvern]

we tried

is it safe to push the ram that much?

also I won't have time for another test for a few days

[vernal cosmos]

You can run b die at 1.8v daily

[shy wyvern]

I gotta have some workloads running overnight tonight

[vernal cosmos]

You need a fan on ur ram tho

1.55 max i would go without ram fan if u have good case airflow

[shy wyvern]

oh that'd be stupid easy to do

I'd just turn my top exhausts into intakes

they're like a few inches from the ram

also is there no other way to test the overclocks then a full overnight test?

seems like a slow process to wait 7 hours to validate timings each time XD

especially if I need to compile things over night

[vernal cosmos]

Not if you want stability

[warm bolt]

I already ordered but how long do you think it would take them to restock this?
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374039

Cause if not long I would prefer to cancel rn and get this.

[vast meadow]

Not sure, they're overpriced tho only 16gb for almost 200$:/

[warm bolt]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374037?Item=N82E16820374037

What about this?

CL16

[vast meadow]

That's better, still not great tho

[warm bolt]

better than this tho right?

[vast meadow]

I assume you want RGB ram?

[warm bolt]

Yes

And fast

[vast meadow]

Well that's 32gb first of all and honestly haven't seen tests for those speeds

[vast meadow]

Shame, you can get some 4400c19 patriot for 110 or some flarex 3200c14 for 100$

So are you looking for 16gb or 32gb tho

[shy wyvern]

wanna know something scary?

[vernal cosmos]

Sure why not

[warm bolt]

I just went with the $169 cl16 one i sent and cancelled my other order. Being kind of impulsive now bc i need to be done with looking for parts. It’s distracting me from school.

[toxic tulip]

how much is the performance difference between i5 11400f and I5 11600k ?

[finite elm]

not much iirc. biggest difference is the 11600k is unlocked and it has a better igpu than the 11400, (the 11400f has the igpu disabled so thats a meh point)

[toxic tulip]

so it's not worth it

[finite elm]

I mean, depends on what you're putting it in tbh.

I had a Z590 mobo from a bundle, so I wanted to get a K cpu just cause. went with the 11600k over the 11700k. but maybe I should have gotten the 11700k tbh.

but if you're on a budget the 11400f is definitely good.

[toxic tulip]

id buy the i7 11700f if it's at 300$ again

but the 11400f should do for competitive shooters

[finite elm]

do you live near a microcenter?

[toxic tulip]

nope

[finite elm]

11700k at MC is 270$ right now would be nice

[toxic tulip]

i'm not from the us

[finite elm]

whats the price distance between the 11600k and 10400f for you?

[toxic tulip]

40$

[finite elm]

ye go 11400f

[finite elm]

for me, the 11600k is cheaper.

[toxic tulip]

what

[finite elm]

200$ at MC, while the 11400f isn't instock. so the 11400f at newegg is 210$

so a drive to MC and I can get it same day for 10$ less. I guess if you factor in gas its not cheaper though

[toxic tulip]

so my build without the gpu is

Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 16GB DDR4 3200MHz CL16 Dual Channel Kit

PSU Seasonic S12III-650, 80+ Bronze, 650W

AQIRYS Wezen Black ARGB Case

MOBO ASRock B560 Pro4

Core i5 11400f

Cooler CPU ID-Cooling Frostflow 240

[shy wyvern]

I ran unstable overclock for 3 years

and didn't even know it lol

[vernal cosmos]

Bad

[vast meadow]

Any cheaper ram?

[vast meadow]

Any other psus in your budget

[hollow thorn]

s12iii p bad

[native halo]

so... i got my build i've been working on for months all up and ready minus the DDR5 ram.... foolish me didnt get around to preordering the crucial ram when it was available...
anyone have any guesses when DDR5 will actually be available?

[hollow thorn]

No one has enough info atm

[native halo]

shame. im a bit terrified it will be like getting my 3080 - one year on a wait list...

almost at the point of buying a second MB and DDR4 ram just to use it..

[burnt spear]

I was saying a 1650 wouldn't be my first choice to run with a 5600x, because the cpu is significantly more than enough. I didn't say it's bad or not to get it

[vast meadow]

They already have it tho

[toxic tulip]

nope

[toxic tulip]

what psu would you recommend ?

[vast meadow]

Something from c or b tier in this list https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[vast meadow]

That's fine then

[toxic tulip]

those are the cheapest 2x 8gb kit i could find

[vast meadow]

Yeah that's fine then, just corsair overpriced in some countries, if it's the cheapest it's a good price lol

[toxic tulip]

also what's wrong with the psu i picked?

[vast meadow]

its a psu you heavily want to avoid

bad protections etc

[toxic tulip]

what about Corsair CV550, 80+ Bronze, 550W?

[vast meadow]

thats definitely better, not great but fine for your 750 ti

[toxic tulip]

if i were to get a new gpu like a 1650 would i need a more powerful psu?

[vast meadow]

Nah

[burnt spear]

I knkw

Doesn't change what I said, as I said I didn't say it was bad or not to get the cpu.

[rigid condor]

never got one lol i have a laptop with a 1050 in it

[vital moss]

Is the MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk compatible with the Ryzen 5 2400g?

[vital moss]

Planning to buy the Tomahawk :/

[main pulsar]

why would you get 2400g

[vital moss]

Well

I have it already

[main pulsar]

unless its v cheap

ahh

[vital moss]

lol

[main pulsar]

you can get a crappy board to run that chip

unless you looking to also upgrade it in the future

[vital moss]

Yeah i know

but i might upgrade

uea

yea*

But I went on pcpart picker and it says its not compatible but its not entirely accurate

since the cpu says its only a AM4 Chipset

and the mobo is

soo i dunno

[main pulsar]

has to do with bios revision

its kinda a mess

[vital moss]

wym?

[main pulsar]

short version

not all boards support all AM4 chips

and not all bios revisions for each board support every chip

[vital moss]

ahh

i see

well, im trying to find a good mobo that is compatible with that cpu

since my current mobo has been causing me too many issues

[main pulsar]

that board doesnt support the 2400g at all it seems

whats your current board?

[vital moss]

ROG Strix b450f gaming

[main pulsar]

and whats the bios revision

[vital moss]

unsure

[main pulsar]

give it a bios update for now

well

first what are the issues you are having with the board

[vital moss]

Well first board of the b450f fried after a year

now, ram slot is dead

[main pulsar]

so first board ded, then RMA, then new board, and one of the dimm slots doesnt work?

[vital moss]

ye

that i just discovered

[main pulsar]

have you tried running only one stick

and testing that one stick in each slot

[vital moss]

Yes

[main pulsar]

and you did this for both dimms

[vital moss]

ye

[main pulsar]

well i suppose it doesnt matter if you did it with both

but yeah

[vital moss]

i kinda am just done with this model

[main pulsar]

are you using 4 dimms?

or just 2

[vital moss]

two but i plan on getting more

[main pulsar]

plan on getting more when you also upgrade cpu?

[vital moss]

Well more ram and possibly a better cpu

yeah

[main pulsar]

which dimm slots are dead. just one, or two

[vital moss]

4

[main pulsar]

lmfao wait

[vital moss]

Wait

no

i meant the fourth one is dead

[main pulsar]

none of the dimm slots work??

[vital moss]

lmao

[main pulsar]

oh haha

[vital moss]

yeah

[main pulsar]

so you should still be able to run dual channel in slots 1 and 3 for now

and i assume thats what you are doing now

[vital moss]

Ahem

[main pulsar]

imo

[vital moss]

2 and 4

wait

no

[main pulsar]

get the board, cpu and ram upgrade all at the same time

[vital moss]

damn

i meant 2 and 3

sounds dumb

i know

[main pulsar]

[vital moss]

yah

Only issue

with that

is that my spending has been a little restricted after a lot of spending

[main pulsar]

so those 2 ded

[vital moss]

No

those two im usin

4th to the right is dead

but still i dont want that issue being there

[main pulsar]

use 1 and 3 for now

[vital moss]

Yeah ill do that but what mobo do i get

looking for one thats ranges up to $170

[main pulsar]

i dont think you want your choice of mobo to be determined on support for BOTH the 2400g and whatever chip you decide to get in the future, correct?

[vital moss]

well i found some cpu's im interested in that are AMD and AM4

[main pulsar]

especially with new amd cpus around the corner

[vital moss]

wah

ive not been aware of this

[main pulsar]

that could potentially be supported on certain B550 boards

[vital moss]

pls

lemme know about this

lmfao

[main pulsar]

around the corner as in Q1 2022

[vital moss]

o damn

yah i mean id love to buy a new cpu

just in terms of doing this whole thing altogether

[main pulsar]

so it wouldnt be for a while

[vital moss]

kinda difficult

[main pulsar]

but if you are already planning to upgrade to a new amd cpu, may as well wait till then

[vital moss]

im trying to take advantage of the current deals going on

[main pulsar]

those deals are nothing new

there is always a motherboard somewhere thats a good deal

[junior geode]

Can I have the old bios version and the new bios version both saved on the same flash drive or would I have to get another one

[main pulsar]

what

[vital moss]

mad confused

[main pulsar]

idk what that means

[vital moss]

me neither 😆

[main pulsar]

uhhh, motherboard only has room for one bios version

[vital moss]

but also the 2400g is extremely fast though?

So i might keep it

[main pulsar]

its based on the OG zen architecture

[junior geode]

I worded that wrong my bad

[vital moss]

What is that

[main pulsar]

so no, single core perf is like pre intel skylake perf

[vital moss]

what

[main pulsar]

single core performance

kinda doo doo

[vital moss]

hm

idk what to do

[junior geode]

So I Need to update for the new cpu, can I have the new bios version saved on the flash drive and also have the old version on the same flash drive or would there be a problem if there was 2 different bios versions on one flash drive

[vital moss]

hes saying can it still store both but u can use one i think

[main pulsar]

why would you need the old bios rom on the flash drive

[junior geode]

Yea what he said

[main pulsar]

if you are using bios backflash or q-flash or something similar, marking the rom file to use requires you to rename it to something specific i believe

so you can have rom.bin or whatever

then the other old bios rom named as something else

[junior geode]

If something goes wrong i only have one pc so wouldn’t I be screwed if I couldn’t use the new cpu

Idk I haven’t done this before I’m still trying to figure it out lol

[main pulsar]

depends on the motherboard, and the method you use to update the bios

[junior geode]

B450m pro 4 with the instant flash it offers

[main pulsar]

so you have a functional system, and you are looking to upgrade the cpu

easiest way to do it would be through the bios

so you dont have to mess with any of that

put latest bios rom on flash drive, access the bios menu, and update the bios directly

then swap the cpus

if it doesnt work for some reason, then yeah, you could use bios backflash, in which case you could have a bios rom of the previous version set up

but i doubt you would have a problem updating the bios in the first place

[vital moss]

Im gonna get the MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk and the Ryzen 5 3600

[main pulsar]

3600 is a good chip

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/p/N82E16819113666

but 5600x is readily available for 300

so it depends on where you are sourcing your 3600, and for what price

[oblique haven]

I’d recommend the 5800X over the 5600X. It’s basically the same price right now (about $330), and $150 is a lot to spend on a board for a 3600.

[burnt spear]

5800x also hotter

And you need to spend more on a better cooler

5600x won't thermal throttle in a decent case with an se-224xt. 5800x basically needs a 240-280mm

[oblique haven]

Does it need that much? I know it’s hot, but a 240mm seems like massive overkill for a chip that uses about 125W.

[hollow thorn]

It's hotspots

125w over a big monolithic die is easier to cool than 125w in a single small ccx

[oblique haven]

That makes a ton of sense to me. Gonna look it up.

[hollow thorn]

ccx being core complex, for example, this was a failed 5600x delid attempt by someone where they accidentally cracked the die open

[steady eagle]

Hi, wich M.2 is compatible for L340-15IWL?

[hollow thorn]

which is actually where we got some nice die shots like

[hollow thorn]

Looks like any M.2 NVMe drives will do

I would assume the slot is key b+m since it has support for nvme drives and sata drives

So key m drives or key b+m drives will work

[steady eagle]

ok thanks and the maximum ram is 16gb really?

[hollow thorn]

@oblique haven and for reference, this is what the die of a 11900k looks like, so it could make more sense why the 5800x can get hotter even though it draws the same amount of power

[hollow thorn]

16gb max in a single slot

[steady eagle]

please and sorry but i dont know many thinks what ram you recommend to me

https://www.newegg.com/samsung-1tb-980/p/N82E16820147804?Description=M.2&cm_re=M.2-_-20-147-804-_-Product&quicklink=true

[hollow thorn]

Do you have the celeron or pentium model or

[steady eagle]

you think that M.2 is ok for my model

[hollow thorn]

That should work fine

[steady eagle]

ok thanks

[oblique haven]

The 11900K draws way more power, though.

Also, looked up some reviews and it looks like most of the $50-75 class of air coolers are also good for the 5800X?

[hollow thorn]

This is a 11400, they use the same die basically

anyways

[hollow thorn]

There's a difference between usable and good imo, good air cooler will do fine, but don't expect much pbo overhead

[oblique haven]

That’s definitely fair

Doesn’t PBO kinda suck though?

[hollow thorn]

PBO is kinda your best option...?

There's nothing wrong with PBO, at worse, it's a bit of free performance at the cost of heat

[oblique haven]

Yep, that

[cursive epoch]

manual oc is worse than pbo imo

[oblique haven]

What I meant is that last I checked Zen had very little OC headroom in any case

[cursive epoch]

cause even 1.35v static voltage can degrade any zen chips

like zen 2, 3 and such

[hollow thorn]

No one really does testing this way for good reason since this kinda testing doesn't work well, but for reference on 5800x temps

Afaik that's over ambient, and TPU prob tests around 20c, and they noted

[oblique haven]

Pretty sure that’s not over ambient, because I’ve seen a whole ton of 90+ C results in their tests

[hollow thorn]

...?

[oblique haven]

Which wouldn’t be logical if the tests were over ambient because it’d imply a real temperature of 110+ C which is way into throttle territory

Still, 78 C with an NH-U14S is a yikes

[hollow thorn]

Tends to be 95c for throttling but well

this kind of testing doesn't work well because of that throttling bit

but well

Reviewers cannot replicate what performance you get at home anyways

[oblique haven]

Yep

[pale fox]

U know the power cable that links up to the power buttion

If that doesn't work what should I do?

[vast meadow]

Make sure it's on the right pins, check your motherboards manual and it will show you the proper pin layout

[pale fox]

Yup I just fixed it

[vast meadow]

Working now?

[pale fox]

Yes.... but it just resets every time I turn on in the loading screen

Prob I got the wrong cable for psw

[vast meadow]

Nah you probably connected the reset switch to power

[pale fox]

Should I just take it out?

Then just leave it

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

What do you mean just take it out?

[pale fox]

Out of the f_panel

Or is it needed?

[vast meadow]

The reset switch?

[pale fox]

Yeah

[vernal cosmos]

Pato the connections were done well

[vast meadow]

No only power is needed

[vernal cosmos]

Mike walked him through front panel

[pale fox]

Ah ok

[vast meadow]

Oh they were done right hmm

[vernal cosmos]

Bad cmos battery?

[vast meadow]

@pale fox can you send a pic of your f_panel

[vernal cosmos]

Im sussy of the cmos battery

[pale fox]

Alright but u are going to hate the cables

[vast meadow]

That's fine

[pale fox]

Is that good enough?

Or closer

[vernal cosmos]

Why did you

Unplug

Everything

...

[pale fox]

I got it in a special ting

[vast meadow]

That's better ye

What motherboard is it?

[vernal cosmos]

A little plastic piece thats labelled and stuff?

[pale fox]

B550 arous elite ax v2

[pale fox]

Yeah

[vernal cosmos]

Ok take pics of that

Top and bottom

And send

[vernal cosmos]

Is the loose cable named power sw

Or pwr sw

[pale fox]

Reset sw

[vernal cosmos]

Theres ur problem

You have the pwr sw plugged into reset header

[pale fox]

Should I put it in res?

[vernal cosmos]

Take all the cables out

[pale fox]

Kk

[vernal cosmos]

Each and every one

Lets go over all this again

[pale fox]

Done

[vast meadow]

Told ya😋

[vernal cosmos]

Bro mike had told him the correct order

Hes messed em up sometime later

[pale fox]

At the time I didn't have that special plastic ting on

[vast meadow]

doesnt mean they were put in perfectly

[vast meadow]

You don't need it same difference

[pale fox]

Oh ok

[vast meadow]

Just makes it a bit easier to put in

[pale fox]

Ok I've put the cables in

[vernal cosmos]

No please

Tell us what you put and where

Are they like that

And is the polarity observed?

• on the header goes to + on the wire

@pale fox

[pale fox]

Yeah its like that

Another problem

Nvm

Yeah I got a problem

I think its the same problem

[vernal cosmos]

So you didnt do the front panel headrs right

Follow the diagram

1 by 1

[vast meadow]

Dark mode manual ?!?

[vernal cosmos]

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dark-reader/eimadpbcbfnmbkopoojfekhnkhdbieeh

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[vernal cosmos]

10/10 extention

[pale fox]

I found the solution to my pc problem @vernal cosmos @vast meadow

I just simply forgot to install my cpu cooler

My cpu was just overheating

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

[vernal cosmos]

.....

How

Just

How

[vast meadow]

My exact reaction

[pale fox]

It's bc my cpu delivered the same day

[vast meadow]

What

[cyan raft]

…how

[pale fox]

Don't even ask

Legit Every time I start it, it would turn off

It would turn on for a bit then turn off

I touched the cpu and I was shouting in Latvian 😂 and jumping Every where

But thank you @vast meadow @vernal cosmos for helping me out, sorry for wasting us time as well

[vast meadow]

No prob

[vernal cosmos]

Np

[cyan kite]

So I currently have DDR4 2x16 2666 260 in my dell inspiron 5641 work laptop and wanted to upgrade to G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 32GB 260-Pin DDR4 SO-DIMM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Laptop Memory Model F4-3200C22S-32GRS. Would my computer be able to hand it since I have 2666 and just restrict the speed?

[subtle crow]

Yeah, it should be fine

3200 is just the max speed that the ram will run at

[cyan kite]

Knew in my desktop build it does I heard laptops run a little different just wanted a second opinion thank you

[vast meadow]

It will but not worth your money unless you're upgrading capacity

Because laptop ram runs at jedec only

[cyan kite]

@vast meadow it is cheaper to buy the 3200 by like 50$ with the cyber Monday deals

I’m going from 2 8gb to 2 16gb

[vast meadow]

Yeah that's fine, that's what i said, just making sure you weren't going from 16 to 16 or something

If you're upgrading capacity yeah go for 3200

[cyan kite]

No thank you for answering I didn’t read it all the way

[vast meadow]

Np lol

[naive pendant]

I just upgraded my motherboard and I have some really strange things happening with the new one

(ASRock b550 and Ryzen 3600)
All the fan headers work, but neither bios nor Aida 64 can get tachometer readings on a couple of them.
Also I randomly get A6 codes but everything continues to work
And also also at default settings during cinebench r23 my CPU hit 70°c
Which is a bit higher than it was on my old board
Which made me think maybe i reseated the cooler poorly
So I reseated it again and it's doing the same thing, same temp, so because I am who I am I used Ryzen master to do a quick overclock and see what happened.
Apparently it runs cooler at 4.4ghz (topped out at 60°) than it does at stock frequency, which is new
And also it's barely pulling 60w, which on the old board even stock it would pull 80w for the full duration of the test.
And also it can't seem to display read or write speeds for my nvme, but they show up for my other drives just fine

Oh and another thing, I decided to undervolt the CPU and it's running 4.2ghz at like, what I would have said were impossibly low voltages for my old board. So far I've gotten it down to 1.16875v (at least according to Ryzen master which I know isnt the preferred method)

[bleak wyvern]

will this https://www.newegg.com/oloy-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821434?Item=N82E16820821434 be fine with this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B089FT8G44/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

or is that good ram at all

[cursive epoch]

Why do you need 64 gigs of ram? I would suggest 32 unless your use case warrants it

And 4000 is hard to run on ryzen btw

[bleak wyvern]

multiple monitors

i have 32 now and cant run all them

[cursive epoch]

wait

what do you do?

[bleak wyvern]

just game while doing various other things no streaming

[cursive epoch]

hm

alright

i suggest trying on lower speed at least on 64 gigs kits

[bleak wyvern]

so like all the 3600 i see everywhere

[cursive epoch]

yes

make sure they're at least cl16

[finite elm]

What games do you play? it sounds like you have a memory leak or whatever its called

[bleak wyvern]

the biggest is siege because i have a 2 gb graphics card thats why im building my own pc so i can run more games

[smoky widget]

AMD ryzen runs 1:1 ratio up to 3733mhz So 3600 be good

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14525/TravisK_DonW-Next_Horizon_Gaming-Ryzen_Deep_Dive_06092019-page-017.jpg

[bleak wyvern]

i already have the motherboard but nothing else yet

[limber dragon]

Or ya know, until it runs it faster than 3733

3800 is the norm, with a few doing ~4000

[dreamy vortex]

Hey guys I replaced my old 8 GB of ram on my pc with a fresh new 16 gigs, when I replaced it I've tried multiple times my my monitor is black and always says no signal. Any idea on how to fix this? Ik im putting the ram in the ram in the right spots and I'm pressing hard enough to a point where I hear the clicks. My computer is also on it's just that the monitor is displaying a black screen. I even tried to put back my old ram and it still ain't working

If anyone can help it'll be greatly appreciated

[bitter oak]

I'm getting CPU throttled on a very specific task that I need to do. How do I figure out what kind of CPU will fit my needs?

[smoky widget]

Caleb can you give more information. Please

what CPU you have Atm, and programs or usage you mostly do

[livid sparrow]

@smoky widget He is trying to run 30-40 Chromium Containers and has a 3700x

I dunno exactly what a Chromium Container is or how much they need resource wise so I said maybe a 5900x

[livid sparrow]

Wait a minute, by Chromium Containers, do you mean tabs? The only containers I know of in relation to a browser is that Firefox extension that allows tabs to be designated to their own separate pseudo-account

[bitter oak]

it's essentially the fire fox feature you describe, but I running 30-40 different profiles of chromium and additional extensions are operating within them. I'm using incognition to accomplish this.

[livid sparrow]

Oh, then you might just be fine with a 5800x, it has something like a 12-20% performance increase compared to the 3700x depending on task

[bitter oak]

yeah but how do I know that 12-20% will get me above the bottleneck threshold?

all I know is that I hit 100%, I don't think there's a way to tell how much over that task is?

[vast meadow]

Some of this can just be down to board to board variance and how the bios defaults are

Not quite sure what you mean by the read/write speeds tho, do you mean in task manager or something?

Also if you're previous mobo wasn't b550/x570 did you reinstall windows?

[foggy forge]

can we run latest amd processor and gpu in Colorful CVN B550M GAMING FROZEN V14 Motherboard OC Support AMD Ryzen in full load without bottlenecking

[vast meadow]

I wouldn't buy that motherboard tbh it's meh, so no, what cpu do you want to pair it with and what country?

[naive pendant]

@vast meadow I can't get aida64 to show read or write on the sensor panel, which doesn't matter at all but you know.
Alsoi figured out that when I tried to reinstall windows, for some reason it gave me some weird version of windows 10 pro that I can't activate for some reason, so now I'm starting to think that's what the issue is, or at least part of it

It was pretty worrying to see chassis fan 3 say n/a in bios when I have a water pump on it, but after running a few stress tests it's obvious that it's running, I just don't know what speed

[vast meadow]

If you do a new reinstall sometimes it picks up the key from before

[naive pendant]

Would you guys say the asrock z590 pro4 mobo is a good choice for a i7-10700f?

[vast meadow]

No, what country you in?

[naive pendant]

U.s

Its on sale for $55 off

So its a $130 mobo rn

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mgstt6/msi-z590-a-pro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-z590-a-pro I'd get this

[naive pendant]

It sounds good, but what makes it better than the other?

@vast meadow

[burnt spear]

Probably better vrms

[vast meadow]

Asrock z490 and z590 boards are just mediocre and better vrms etc

[naive pendant]

Whats a vrm?

Kinda dipping a toe in mobos

[vast meadow]

Power delivery

[naive pendant]

Oh, so if I were to get the board you'd mention, would I be able to oc my memory as well?

[vast meadow]

Ye

[naive pendant]

Current mobo came from a prebuilt I ripped for the gpu and took the cpu too and only lets me up to 2933

Oh sweet. You know how long it will stay on sale for?

[vast meadow]

No idea probs a while tho as its 139 with 10$ rebate

[naive pendant]

You think it would stay for 2 weeks? I get paid biweekly

[vast meadow]

Yeah probs

[naive pendant]

Is there a way to reinstall windows without losing all my data, or should I just back everything up?

[vast meadow]

There's reinstall but keep my files but i don't think it would work with getting rid of changing chipsets

[grizzled bloom]

PC reset does indeed clear the registry and fix issues with changing chipset

[naive pendant]

Ok cool. Thanks guys

[vast meadow]

With keeping files?

[sudden cave]

i9-12900K, ASUS Prime Z690-A mboard, and DDR4 memory...will DDR4 memory work until new DDR5 memory is available. Or better to buy Z690 board that definitely supports DDR4 and forget about DDR5 for now?

Haven't bought anything yet...just planning.

[vast meadow]

Buy a mobo that with ddr4 and get some 3600cl16 ram or something, ddr5 is basically non existent

[sudden cave]

Noticed that.

Trying to find out from ASUS if DDR4 is backwards compatible with their new Z690 chipset boards. Then hurry up and wait a year or whenever the DDR5 is available, then just upgrade the memory.

Some of the Z690 chipset ASUS boards are DDR4 and some are DDR5...

[vast meadow]

you would need to buy a whole new board, i wouldnt worry tho, not much perf increase with ddr5 so far

[naive pendant]

P sure ddr4 and ddr5 are keyed differently

[dreamy vortex]

Hey guys I replaced my old 8 GB of ram on my pc with a fresh new 16 gigs, when I replaced it I've tried multiple times my my monitor is black and always says no signal. Any idea on how to fix this? Ik im putting the ram in the ram in the right spots and I'm pressing hard enough to a point where I hear the clicks. My computer is also on it's just that the monitor is displaying a black screen. I even tried to put back my old ram and it still ain't working

[vast meadow]

they are

[vast meadow]

try clear cmos

[dreamy vortex]

Alright I'll search up a tutorial vid for it, thx for the help I'll let u know if it works

[cerulean wadi]

Quick os question. Gonna freah install win10 on a spare ssd. Would using my current win7 key on it mess w/ my main setup, or should I use a new cd key? I purchased a spare.

[vast meadow]

are you using the spare ssd as your new boot drive?

[cerulean wadi]

I mean I was aiming to just keep this as a clone/backup. Switch em if the ssd or Win10 had issues.

[vast meadow]

then yeah go ahead and use your win 7 key on it

[cerulean wadi]

Last msg edited. Sorry if I'm confusing. Another way is I'm sort of trying to dual boot, idk if I really need to use a 2nd cd key in this case.

[vast meadow]

Nah you can leave win 10 unactivated, but why bother dual booting an unsupported os and windows 10 unless you really need something that only works on win 7

[cerulean wadi]

I've had 7 up til now & indeed it's workedwell. Plenty of oldee games.
--True. I'd activate 10, just wondering doing so would mess w/ Win7 at all. If it's questionable I'll use a new key. This is actually just temporary to try Win10 & not yet format the old OS hdd w/ tons on it.

[vast meadow]

honestly because of no security patches you should have already moved, but just leave windows 10 unactivated for the time being as win 10 is fine unactivated, win 7 can cause issues iirc

[cerulean wadi]

I know huh 😅. Ok, Try it, move data to extra spare hdd, then I'll activate Win10 & wipe the Win7 hdd. 👍 Thnx Pato

[dreamy vortex]

@vast meadow I reset the CMOS, I'm in bios rn anything I need to do there?

[vast meadow]

Enable xmp then save and exit

[dreamy vortex]

@vast meadow Alright it's working now, thanks for the help I really appreciate it. Ur da goat

[vast meadow]

No problems

[junior mason]

Hey guys I need you’re help me and my dad who had experience in IT we have a problem we have a 5600g and a b450 (gigabite) aorus elite v1 and it won’t boot the thing is we had in mind for my sister an a320 paring whit the 5600g but that isn’t supported yet when we put it back it didn’t turn on (a320 is my old buildt whit 1600 af and 1050 ti I wanted to upgrade the motherboard and give the a320 to my sister) sorry for the long story we don’t know what to do and hope u guys could help that’s

[hollow thorn]

bios update on the b450 board?

since it likely won't be support with the bios installed out of box

[junior mason]

Wel not update didn’t try but it booted 1 time than never before

Whit the 5600g and the 1600

[hollow thorn]

wait you have a 1600?

[junior mason]

Ye in the a320 build

I wanted to upgrade motherboard

[hollow thorn]

Use the 1600 on the b450 board first and update the bios

clear cmos if it won't boot

[junior mason]

Wel it didn’t boot whit the 1600 in it

[hollow thorn]

Just saying 5600g probably wouldn't boot right away, so focus efforts on getting the 1600 to boot with the b450

and to do that, clear cmos

[junior mason]

Wel we eventually had a red light at cpu on the board

We cleared cmos

[hollow thorn]

remove any extra ram sticks except one, remove anything unnecessary, including extra usb devices, then clear cmos again, battery method, not jumper method.

Going to assume the board doesn't have flashback

[junior mason]

I don’t think so

We are going to send it back

[oak prawn]

What’s a good case for

[vast meadow]

For?

[oak prawn]

B550

[vast meadow]

Budget country etc?

[oak prawn]

Don’t matter

I just want a nice looking Case

[vast meadow]

P400a digital, 4000d airflow, p500a digital, mx330 g air, p360a, fractal torrent, lian li o11 air mini, lancool mesh ii

[elder viper]

determine cpu/mobo compatability here?

[hollow thorn]

What do you want to check?

[elder viper]

Asrock Taichi X370 and new Ryzen 5700G?

pcparts picker says it will work but theyve been wrong before

[hollow thorn]

I don't believe it's compatible

[elder viper]

And the cpu is too much money to get wrong 🙂

[hollow thorn]

ASRock doesn't list a bios update for updating to agesa 1.2.0 and doesn't list support on the support page for the x370 taichi

[junior mason]

Get a 400 series board I recommend

[hollow thorn]

You'll probably want a b550 board

[normal breach]

Hi what abot ryzen 5 5600g and msi mag b550m mortar comptbility?

[elder viper]

any suggestions then to upgrade my existing 1700X cpu?

[hollow thorn]

If you want to buy a new board that is

[hollow thorn]

Should work, has flashback in case you need to update bios

[elder viper]

can't buy new mobo, memory, and cpu all at the same time

[hollow thorn]

Unfortunately, x370 taichi only has support up to 3000xt chips after a bios update

And all the zen 2 chips are pretty badly priced atm

[elder viper]

so stick with what I have? Was hoping to get a big performance boost for small money. 🙂

[hollow thorn]

If you have a GPU already, the best option is for a new board and a 5600x, but that's expensive

Precious gen AMD chips are not priced well atm

[elder viper]

Btw, HATED giving discord my phone number.

Tis expensive

[hollow thorn]

And AMD practically abandoned the 200$ price point for CPUs

[elder viper]

noticed that

[hollow thorn]

Well, that helps with stopping random people spamming, so it may be a necessary evil

[elder viper]

I'd give the $300 asking for the 5700G if it would work

What's to stop discord from spamming??? or selling our info?

[hollow thorn]

Discord shouldn't do anything with your phone number tbh, and discord should be GDPR compliant so you can request to take off all of your data at any point

[elder viper]

Tried to get Newegg to answer this q but Noooo, they would not even try. Sent me here, so you guys can blame them. 🙂

[hollow thorn]

Well, Newegg does outsource support on the website iirc

[elder viper]

figures

so I'm sol for now?

I mean, the 1700x is not bad, but I need a little more oomph in that system now.

[normal breach]

only the ryzen with the g in the name had integrated graphics right?

[elder viper]

I think wo, bh

so--

that system presently has a 1050 so it's bare bottom

[hollow thorn]

Yea

[normal breach]

if i want then one of the others, should i buy a graphic card?

[hollow thorn]

Well, depends on what you do, if you need multi-core performance, 3700x is 330$, a pretty bad deal considering 5800x exists, but that's the only currently possible upgrade option for you right now

[elder viper]

Thanks, 1111. Was afraid of that but I sorely needed to be sure before I sent Newegg that much money.

[hollow thorn]

You're welcome, if you want to know performance, there are good reviews out there for a variety of tasks

[shy wyvern]

Imo people should go for a 5600x for most use cases over the 3700x

[hollow thorn]

Yes, but their mobo doesn't support zen 3

[shy wyvern]

oh

that's a shame

5600x despite being 6 cores is like 8-10% below the 3700x in multicore

cause it's that much of a leap in single

[hollow thorn]

depending on task

[shy wyvern]

Yeah that's fair

[hollow thorn]

If they just wanted to host a bunch of vms, allocating 1 core/vm, 8 vms is worthwhile over 6 vms :p

[shy wyvern]

I almost bought a 5600x even without avx workload support

such a great cpu

[hollow thorn]

mm

[shy wyvern]

12600k is just that much more absurd though

If the thing wasn't a space heater

I had to move my tower because my feet were getting a little to warm from this thing

[hollow thorn]

lol

[shy wyvern]

legit this thing pulls as much as my 8600k at 1.425 volts for 5.3ghz at stock boost settings

which is absolutely absurd

I was feeding that 6 core 170-200 watts for heavy overclocking

and this stupid cpu pulls the same amount at stock lol

[oblique haven]

Thought the 12600K only pulled about 150. Is that wrong?

[hollow thorn]

TPU review

basically 220w max stock, 320w max OCed

[oblique haven]

That’s for the whole system though

That said, I’m surprised to see it drawing more than the 10900K in this test. That just doesn’t make any sense to me, at all.

[subtle crow]

The P Cores have to be immense

Based on 12th gen's amazing single core scores

[hollow thorn]

I mean, rest of system won't draw much more, and you can see it compared with other chips

[naive pendant]

I think I'm gonna have to just back everything up and reinstall windows
Somehow my windows 10 home became an unactivated copy of windows 10 pro education edition. Idk what in the world happened, but yeah. Trying to do the refresh install thing tries to refresh windows 10 pro ed. Again, no clue how that even made it's way into my system. Really very strange

[hollow thorn]

oh fun

[naive pendant]

It won't even let me reinstall windows 10 home. It keeps telling me it's incompatible with my current version of windows

[livid sparrow]

I guess you could say you need to educate yourself on this problem and the potential solutions

[naive pendant]

I would love to except that Google can't even seem to help me

seriously what am i even supposed to do about it at this point

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant could just completely reinstall windows?

As in, get windows creation media onto a USB stick, put away anything you don't want to lose, and just nuke the install and install windows again

[naive pendant]

That's what I tried right before getting this error prompt

[hollow thorn]

that's why you gotta nuke the previous install

like dban

leave no traces

and then install

[naive pendant]

Ok my bad, I misunderstood your directions. Now I'm trying to copy a fresh install to my secondary HDD. That seems to be working. Hoping I can get it working, boot to that, then uninstall this plagueware that ASRock seems to have magically inserted into my nvme.

In case this doesn't work, what is dban?

[hollow thorn]

https://dban.org/

It's a nuke for your hdd

nuke any traces of anything left on that drive

no more bad pieces of windows

[naive pendant]

Oh ok.
I'm assuming since this software exists, it isn't enough to just format the drive?

[hollow thorn]

Well, format is good enough for 99% of uses, dban is just for when you hate any data left on the drive

[naive pendant]

Gotcha
Probably my best option anyway since apparently things are just going wrong for dumb reasons. Have you ever heard of this happening before? Like I've heard of hardware changes corrupting your os but I've never heard of it becoming a different version altogether, that's weird right?

[hollow thorn]

weird but you know what, windows is weird

[naive pendant]

It let me install windows on and boot into the secondary, at least. So if nothing else I can fix my install.
Now let's see what I can actually save from the primary

Is there any way I can avoid this in the future? Like, it really screwed me here. It wouldn't let me install any version of windows except for the broken one that somehow made it's way into my drive, and it wouldn't even let me refresh that without "connecting to my business network" or something along those lines, which obviously I couldnt do since the network in question doesn't exist.

[hollow thorn]

Well, windows being windows and weird is often inexplicable

[naive pendant]

It also still uses my background image on the initial login screen, despite it being an unactivated copy of windows

[naive pendant]

Yep. Bricked my windows install

[dense frost]

anyone else think its funny that Alderlake has "efficiency" cores, but pulls more power than a stadium lighting system? 😆

[cerulean wadi]

hah, yep. I'd rather have an advanced 8-core version of a 10600/11600, and also dodge the extra dependency on software or needing Win11. Of course, just giving a few things like pcie 5 on 1 slot wasn't quite enough.

[quick robin]

Hi would these 2 parts work together MSI MPG Z690 CARBON WIFI DDR5 LGA 1700 Intel Z690 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard and the ram is https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236697?Item=N82E16820236697

[vast meadow]

no, that is a ddr5 motherboard with ddr4 ram, what cpu is this for?

[quick robin]

Intel core i9 12900k

Where can i buy ddr5 ram it's like sold out everywhere

[vast meadow]

yeah, best bet is to just get fast ddr4 anyway, not a massive difference from what we have seen so far

do you want rgb?

[quick robin]

I already bought the motherboard and cpu

.<

[vast meadow]

ah welp

then you can either try and get ddr5 or return and get some ddr4 like this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/66NxFT/oloy-blade-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-nd4u1636163brade

or this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BZwqqs/gskill-ripjaws-v-series-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl14-memory-f4-3200c14d-32gvk

[quick robin]

Thank you going to think about this.

[vast meadow]

Np

[waxen panther]

Is Ryzen really good for the price compared to intel?

[vast meadow]

[dense frost]

👆

[paper coral]

arm is better for price compared to all

since arm is cheapest

[dense frost]

certainly doesnt cost an arm and a leg like the others

[subtle crow]

It’s model specific, but Intel’s alder lake has better value then the ryzen 5000 series based on performance to price

12th gen

[vernal cosmos]

But thats not a fair comparison lol

Next gen intel vs current gen amd

[subtle crow]

While the ryzen 5000 series has better value then 10th and 11th gen intel, mostly

[vernal cosmos]

In a month or 2 zen3d should be here

I would wait

[grim schooner]

anybody good with a Ram question?

[vernal cosmos]

!ask

[devout moth]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[dense frost]

12600 is really good. 12700/5800... prices are fluctuating, so some places the intel is better, other the 5800 is.

[grim schooner]

lol , okay - i have matched / but mis-matched ram on my Gigabyte Aorus B550 Pro AC motherboard - no issues to report, but just asking to make sure i have G.Skill F4-3200C16-8GTZR 2x8GB and G.Skill F4-3200C16-8GTZRX(For AMD) 2x8GB - i should be okay right?

[vernal cosmos]

Depends

Could be fine

But also couldn't

Gskill changes dies

Run thaiaphoon burner

[dense frost]

are you able to run in dual channel and turn XMP on?

[grim schooner]

i've set the xmp in the uefi to the rated 3200 - zero issues so far

[vernal cosmos]

That doesn't say anything really tbh

[grim schooner]

yes dual channel is also set

[vernal cosmos]

Timings are the same so xmp will be available

[dense frost]

I mean, if the system is runnign stable...

[vernal cosmos]

Die still may not match

[grim schooner]

will cpuz tell me the dies?

[vernal cosmos]

Stable can mean "stable" till you wake up to windows being currupted to the point that windows doesn't even boot anymore

Ram is no joke

[vernal cosmos]

Thaiaphoon burner

[dense frost]

ill be honest, I wasnt aware this could happen with mismmatched dies

[grim schooner]

downloading Thaiaphoon burner

on Thaiaphoon burner - "Read"?

[vernal cosmos]

Yep

Read both sticks

Dm me screenshots

[grim schooner]

dm or in here

[vernal cosmos]

You arent high enougl level to send pics or links on here

You will have to dm

[grim schooner]

k lol

[hollow thorn]

Most certain way to check G.skill stick dies is to look at the sticker btw

the 042 code

[grim schooner]

nice i'll take a look

[hollow thorn]

Example:

Example: 04213X8810B
The first bolded character is the density. 4 for 4Gb, 8 for 8Gb and S for 16Gb.
The second bolded number is the manufacturer. 1 for Samsung, 2 for Hynix, 3 for Micron, 4 for PSC (powerchip), 5 for Nanya, and 9 for JHICC.
The last character is the revision.
This is the code for Samsung 8Gb B-die.

[junior mason]

Hey peaple what motherboard do u recommend for a 1600 af atleast 400 series?

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah hes dmed me sticker pics imma take a look after dinner

[vernal cosmos]

Ryzen 5 1600?

[junior mason]

Yes

[hollow thorn]

1600af is meh

Do you already have it?

[junior mason]

I had it for a few years

Ye

[hollow thorn]

sad

[junior mason]

Why it ain’t that bad?

It can play the games that I want

But idk what mobo to add it now since last one failed

[grim schooner]

my son had ryzen 5 1600 on an AB350 Pro4 - and then moved it into a ASUS B450 Gaming-F for a bit before upgrading to a newer CPU