cpus-mobo-and-memory

[zenith knot]

Awesome

I got a 3060 pc in 2021

Lol

[gentle acorn]

Nice

[zenith knot]

It was a good price

$1200 without taxing

[gentle acorn]

I dont feel like spending $500 on a new GPU after I already have this beast lmao

Nice

[zenith knot]

Yes

ur gpu is cracked

better than mine DEF

[gentle acorn]

Mine was $1200 as well without warranties or tax

[zenith knot]

Nice

lol

I gtg to period 2 cya

[gentle acorn]

Cya

Im waiting on my bus to take me to college lmao it’s supposed to be here in the next 30 minutes

Btw this looks good right?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T2Qj3Z

I already have everything but the CPU and motherboard

[vast meadow]

I'd heavily advice getting a new case and power supply

[gentle acorn]

Alright

Even if im not OCing?

[vast meadow]

Yes very much so, I'd actually expect a performance increase from your gpu too

[gentle acorn]

Alright

[vast meadow]

Also the case looks tight on airflow but I'd aim for psu

[gentle acorn]

Alright

The case is a lot better than what i used to have lmao

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PVzZxr/corsair-txm-gold-650w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020132-na I'd get this

[gentle acorn]

Alright thanks

[vast meadow]

Np

[gentle acorn]

I used to have a Antec DF500 that thing sucked for cooling

And so the new gen 5 should actually benefit my GPU despite it being gen 3?

[vast meadow]

I see why lol

[gentle acorn]

Yeah literally had the fans blocked

[vast meadow]

No i mean the power supply giving better voltages etc

[gentle acorn]

Oh

This one is also literally $10 more than my current PSU i expected the gold rating to make it be a lot more expensive

[vast meadow]

It's on sale, and gold doesn't mean jack

[gentle acorn]

Oh

Alright

[vast meadow]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/ here's the psu tier list

The txm is A tier

The gigabyte pgm is e tier but also gold lol

[gentle acorn]

Alright

Any idea how long it may be on sale?

I might wait 3 days before buying it

[vast meadow]

Idk it's not gonna go cheaper though lol

[gentle acorn]

Yeah

I just dont know how much money i have right now lmao

I cant check my information right now

[vast meadow]

Ahh that's fair, well when you have the money there will probably be a similar deal, rmx 650w has been 65$ after 20$ rebate for a while

[gentle acorn]

Oh cool

[chilly fulcrum]

I have to replace my current cpu, and I saw that the 10400f is $172 and the 11400 is $189. Is it worth it to spend the extera $20 to get the 11400?

[subtle crow]

11400 has integrated graphics, do you have any use for that?

and looks like the 11400 scores considerably higher on benchmarks

so 20$ doesn't seem like much of a jump

[chilly fulcrum]

So would you say I should get the 11400?

[subtle crow]

yeah

seems like a good deal in comparison to the 10400f

[chilly fulcrum]

Ok thanks

[subtle crow]

Passmark ranks the 10400f at 12452

Passmark ranks the 11400 at 17202

[shy wyvern]

I just bought a 4x8 GB patriot viper 4400 kit for $100 on eBay. I'm happy

Just within my price range

[vast meadow]

If you can spare 15$ or so in your budget, i would advise, integrated graphics and better cpu

[vast meadow]

Jump shouldn't be that big, odd

[vast meadow]

Oh nice what timings?

[keen inlet]

is it risky to buy a 6 year old used cpu to overclock?

[shy wyvern]

CL19. Not the best but I pulled the trigger since I'm actually memory bottlenecked in battlefield. It's weird

[shy wyvern]

They might not overclock as well as they age but if you know what you're doing you won't fry a CPU overclocking.

[cursive epoch]

it's fun to oc on older platforms

[shy wyvern]

^

[keen inlet]

so the quality if the only difference between them old and new?

[vast meadow]

Not to overclock but unless you're on a budget of less than like 300$ it's not worth it

Although yeah if it's for hobby it's fine

[keen inlet]

i'm afraid i'm just gonna waste money on something that might not work

[vast meadow]

And even then not 6 year old pc

@keen inlet what are you looking for?

Like what use?

[shy wyvern]

It depends on how long they've ran the cpu and at what power

[vast meadow]

And budget?

[vast meadow]

Yeah but what's the rest of speeds and timings?

[hollow thorn]

Just to clarify, it can be fun to OC older platforms, but that doesn't mean you'll get too much performance out of OCing them, so don't expect a 5 year old chip OCed to match a current gen chip

[shy wyvern]

All processors degrade over time. The moving electrons are still moving parts

[keen inlet]

i've already asked here about upgrading from 6600k to 6700k cause i don't wanna buy a new board currently

[shy wyvern]

19-19-19-38 I think

Cl 15 up to 3200 I think

[keen inlet]

but i will be using it for gaming, as right now in pretty cpu heavy games like escape from tarkov my system is basically unusable when the game is running

so i thought about upgrading to 6700k and overclocking it

[vast meadow]

What gpu you got?

And what ram?

[keen inlet]

1060

2666 ddr4

[shy wyvern]

Pfffttt

[hollow thorn]

Eft is just a heavy game in general

[shy wyvern]

Escape from tarkov doesn't run well on anything

[vast meadow]

Just remember overclocking means more heat

[keen inlet]

it still renders full frames when it's in background, and that's really annoying

[shy wyvern]

My sister rocking my old i5 6400 and 1050 2gb

[hollow thorn]

There's a setting for menu fps limit

[keen inlet]

i was gonna upgrade my cooler too

[chilly fulcrum]

Awesome thanks I’m going for a 11400

[keen inlet]

i just wanna make sure i'm not buying a brick

[shy wyvern]

Lowering the priority for the game will also help prevent this

[hollow thorn]

Also, it shouldn't be happening if the game is Fullscreen and you tab out

[vast meadow]

What cooler you got now?

[hollow thorn]

Windowed Fullscreen it could happen

[keen inlet]

i might be running it in borderless window lemme see

[shy wyvern]

6700k won't be that much of an improvement over 6600k. I believe that the i3 10105f is faster.

I would look into investing into a newer platform

[keen inlet]

gammaxx 200

[shy wyvern]

Especially for running more demanding stuff

[shy wyvern]

Not bad, I used that for my 8400. I still have it in a bin somewhere.

[keen inlet]

i'm 100% not gonna have money to move to a newer platform

so it's either 6700k with OC, or 6600k with OC

[shy wyvern]

Do you currently make an income?

[keen inlet]

no

[shy wyvern]

Ah you're like me back in highschool then

[keen inlet]

i wouldn't be having this issue if i did

[shy wyvern]

6700k used is not worth the upgrade money

Like hands down not worth it over the 6600k

[keen inlet]

i've just checked, and i'm running fullscreen but the game still loads my cpu and gpu to its maximum capacity when i alttab

[hollow thorn]

Check menu fps limit settings and such

[keen inlet]

there is only an option to limit lobby and in-game frame count

but there is no option to limit frame count when the game is in background

[vernal cosmos]

Are you running fullscreen windowed or fullscreen borderless

[hollow thorn]

Yes, those are the settings I'm talking about but yea

[vernal cosmos]

Or exclusive fullscreen

Theres 3 fullscreens

[vast meadow]

Ahh yeah, what's your budget for upgrading btw? Because after buying a new cooler you'd almost be better off getting a 10400(f)

[keen inlet]

but i would need a new mobo, which offsets the price even further

[shy wyvern]

You don't need ram or anything so

[vast meadow]

I suppose it depends what price you can find a 6700k/7700k

Also I'd recommend ocing your 1060 if you haven't already

[keen inlet]

it just says fullscreen other options are borderless and windowed

[shy wyvern]

I'd say cheap refurb b460 and 10400 might be a good

[hollow thorn]

10400 is 170$ atm, b560 board would be around 100$

[shy wyvern]

Way to go

[keen inlet]

i'm afraid of OC'ing it, cause it's already having artifacts

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[shy wyvern]

See if you can borrow money because you can sell your 6600k + board for at least $100

[vast meadow]

Maybe underclock the vram 25mhz

[vernal cosmos]

Artifacts is vram

[keen inlet]

idk like 3 years ago i was having issue with it where it would spawn a million different sparks on the screen when i run any game and crash the game

[vernal cosmos]

You could push ur core and dial back vram

[keen inlet]

i brought it to a repair service and they said they just reapplied thermal paste

but it stopped crashing

altho' it still has problems with lighting for some reason

[hollow thorn]

Artifacting generally comes with vram frequency set too high

Core being set too high generally will straight up crash

And well, watching temps is good, cleaning out dust is good.

[keen inlet]

i haven't ever tried OC'ing it, so it might be a manufacturing issue where they just didn't correctly apply thermal paste or something

or i don't know what happened

[keen inlet]

if i'm getting a used 6700k i will be paying for it 150$ max

[hollow thorn]

But that wouldn't give you much gain tbh

[vast meadow]

1060s vram should be fine with no active cooling, not good but shouldn't artifact, try cleaning for dust and just trying a simple -25 on memory in msi afterburner

150+new cooler brings you to like ~200

[hollow thorn]

Well

Now that I think about it tarkov might benefit

[keen inlet]

then i guess the best option for me is to just buy a new cooler and OC my current cpu?

[hollow thorn]

Forgot 6600k was 4c4t

Thought it was 6c6t

[vast meadow]

Yeah it should have been 6c6t

[keen inlet]

i also originally had the wrong idea about how threads work

[vast meadow]

Btw try look up some benchmarks with tarkov and 6600k vs 6700k

Probably quite niche but

[keen inlet]

i've tried doing that but i didn't find anything useful

this is the type of artifact i'm talking about btw

[vast meadow]

@keen inlet https://youtu.be/LCV9yyD8X6M don't see tarkov but definitely worth watching

That looks like it's part of the game tbh

[keen inlet]

it comes from a small shard of glass that i had broken before this moment

[vast meadow]

I can't watch rn data isn't good enough for video on train

[keen inlet]

and generally there are a lot of circumstances where lighting acts funny

[hollow thorn]

Feels like game bug tbh

[keen inlet]

before bringing it to the repair service my entire screen would get filled with this type of sparks, and the game would crash

almost any game

[hollow thorn]

That just looks like how glare would usually look in tarkov and not GPU artifacting to me

I don't run labs so I wouldn't know if that's a common thing or not

[modest vapor]

I don't know if someone could help but the past few days my gpu has been using more vram then normal, along with alot of low fps in games. My main compents besides ram have survived a fry but Its been a month or two since that and I don't know whats wrong with my computer now.

I ran a gpu bench mark and during the test it stopped doing it and my cpu went to 100% usage and ram went from 9.7 gb used to 30gb used.

[toxic tulip]

@vast meadow would this work with a ryzen 7 3800x ?https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baza/gigabyte/b450m-ds3h-v2/

[vast meadow]

I mean is 3800x cheaper in your country?

Because it won't beat the 11400

[toxic tulip]

rly?

the 11400 that much better?

[vast meadow]

What specs, what were/are you running

[toxic tulip]

jesus

[vast meadow]

In single core

Yes

[toxic tulip]

so core performance is better?

damn

[vast meadow]

Single core, which is what matters to you

[toxic tulip]

fair enough

[vast meadow]

Bout equal/better

[modest vapor]

i have a ryzen 7 3700x, rx 5600xt, 32gb of corsair vengance rgb pro 3200mhz, 550watt psu from evga, 2 hdd, a nvme and ssd on a asus prime x570-p.

[toxic tulip]

well it's 80 $ cheaper so it's a win

[modest vapor]

i ran the blender benchmark as soon as i got my pc up and running after the fry and didnt have these issues during then.

[vast meadow]

Hmm, did you recently install anything new?

[modest vapor]

nope

yesterday i did a clean driver install and didnt fix anything

i dont think its my cpu, to me it points towards motherboard or gpu.

its so weird i honestly dont know whats happening with it

[vast meadow]

What game were you playing ?

[modest vapor]

i was playing games like rust, gta, and american truck sim

i lowered all graphics and my gpu was still using more then it normal does.

i can't even play most games on low graphics. I usually played at medium to high depending on the game

[vast meadow]

I'd possibly try using ddu in safe mode then reinstalling the graphics drivers

[devout needle]

is it worth to upgrade to a 5600x from a 3600x

I have a 3060ti

[vast meadow]

No, I'd wait for zen 3 refresh

[devout needle]

do we know when they might be announcing those?

[modest vapor]

i've been hearing the 6000 series is coming january or 3 quater of 2022

[devout needle]

oh okay thanks

[vast meadow]

Probably January

6000 series should be q3 2022

But different socket

[devout needle]

oh good point

okay thanks

[modest vapor]

i honestly just hope it aint my gpu causing the issues and its just the motherboard.

[vast meadow]

Most likely just gpu drivers

[modest vapor]

i already uninstalled and did a fresh install

i went back and install to see if it was that already and it still did it

[vast meadow]

Do this ^

[vernal cosmos]

Dont fresh install latest drivers

[modest vapor]

i did the old drivers before that

[vernal cosmos]

5000 series of amd cards have issues with drivers

[vast meadow]

Need to ddu first otherwise not clean install

[vernal cosmos]

Try the 2nd last whql version

[modest vapor]

alright ill go do that real quick

[modest vapor]

still doing the same

i think its the mobo by this point

[vernal cosmos]

Try putting the gpu in another slot?

[toxic tulip]

is howmanyfps a good benchmark website?

[burnt zealot]

Okay I am completely lost guys. What is a good motherboard to buy for the following specs: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, RTX 3070, Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe M.2, Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200

[vernal cosmos]

Never heard of it so probably not

[vernal cosmos]

Dont buy that ssd or that ram tbh

[burnt zealot]

Elaborate?

[vernal cosmos]

Both are overpriced for no reason

Equally good/better alternatives exist

For cheaper

[toxic tulip]

what's the best one to check how much fps will a cpu/gpu combo get in a game?

[burnt zealot]

Well I've got good experience with corsair vengeance, M.2 idfk

@vernal cosmos are you experienced in building PC's?

[vernal cosmos]

Youtube videos of people playing the game

[toxic tulip]

couldn't find one for a 11400f and gtx 750 ti

[vernal cosmos]

Im experienced in helping

[vernal cosmos]

Look for gt 750 ti benchmarks

[burnt zealot]

As in, do you know what components work well etc.? I could use some help :D

And would you mind hopping in a vc to help me out a bit?

[vernal cosmos]

Ur gonna be gpu bound in most games with that cpu

[vernal cosmos]

Yeh I am

[vernal cosmos]

Ahhh I cant vc but i can help over text

[burnt zealot]

Ahh okay faire nough. Can we take it to DM's?

[vernal cosmos]

Why not keep it here?

[burnt zealot]

Oh just so others don't get bothered by a lot of messages and they can ask others for help

[vernal cosmos]

Nah its fine

Its a discord channel to help and get help

Ask away!

[toxic tulip]

@vernal cosmos i only play cs go atm

[vernal cosmos]

Then look at cpu benchmarks

[burnt zealot]

Alright so TLDR, I decided to get a AMD Ryzen 7 5800X with a RTX 3070. Now I am looking into what kind of M.2 SSD's to buy and what kind of RAM. In my current PC I have Corsair vengeance RAM that I really like, so I wouldn't mind buying that again.

[vernal cosmos]

Whats the budget

[burnt zealot]

1800eur?

[vernal cosmos]

And do u have the 3070 already?

[burnt zealot]

nope

[vernal cosmos]

What country?

[burnt zealot]

just have to keep it under 2K euro

the netherlands

and the site I want to order on is Megekko.nl

Due to their awesome service and previous experiences

[vernal cosmos]

Im not very familiar with the market there but I can take a look. @vast meadow would be the ideal person to talk to here

He european boi

[burnt zealot]

aight

[toxic tulip]

@vernal cosmos found a benchmark but with a 10400f instead so id guess i'll have around 20-60 fps more with the 11400f

[vernal cosmos]

11400 performs the same as an 11400f

[toxic tulip]

yeah i know

it's just without the integrated gpu

plus i play on 960p

[vernal cosmos]

U should get 100fps or so at 1080p

960p very odd res so cant say

[toxic tulip]

i get 120 fps avg with a i3 4170

1080p

but everything on low

[vernal cosmos]

Sorry 160-180 fps is what u will get

[vast meadow]

@burnt zealot brand new pc for gaming in Netherlands budget 2k?

[vernal cosmos]

I was looking at wrong settings

[burnt zealot]

yeah

[vast meadow]

Kk 1 sec

[burnt zealot]

can we call though I would greatly appreciate it, I already found a few nice components that I would like to discuss

And if we could call I can just screen share and ask away 😅

[vast meadow]

I can't call atm but you can dm me if you'd like

[toxic tulip]

@vernal cosmos damn it bottlenecks that hard?

[vernal cosmos]

After looking at varios ones I have concluded that u will get 200fps or so for ur pc

[toxic tulip]

on 1080p ?

[vernal cosmos]

Yee

[toxic tulip]

since i have a 240hz monitor what's the best adapter to buy?

i heard a bad one can damage the monitor

[vernal cosmos]

Adapter for?

Like what u wanna adapt

[toxic tulip]

well i can't use 240hz with a gtx 750 ti

for display port

i'm limited at 144hz

[vernal cosmos]

No adapter gonna increase bandwidth

[toxic tulip]

so i can't at all?

[vernal cosmos]

Link me exactly which gpu u have pls

[toxic tulip]

Zotac GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2 GB Video Card

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah ur locked to 144hz

[devout moth]

Baiter#8223 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[toxic tulip]

damn it

i hope this gpu crisis will end soon

[regal obsidian]

Mooood

I could use some tech help if anyone has a second.. I got my head spinning around from trying to install a R9 5900x

[vernal cosmos]

!ask

[devout moth]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[regal obsidian]

Oh shoot, am I supposed to use that?

Ahhhh okay

My bad. I just didn't want to dump lol

[vast meadow]

Nah just ask lol

[regal obsidian]

If I'm understanding the format (hopefully), I'm stuck in a boot-loop whenever I put in the R9, and it won't bring me to any kind of bios screen or OS. As of speaking, my motherboard is up to date on its bios, along with the AMD drivers too, but I'm a bit perplexed and I could've missed something

[regal obsidian]

Like that?

[vast meadow]

Your monitor plugged into your gpu?

[regal obsidian]

Yep. That I made sure of lol

[vernal cosmos]

Specs list helpful

Mobo,ram gpu

Anyway tho pato got this

I sleep early

[regal obsidian]

Night dude. Try and get some rest lol

But was about to type that since I forgot XD

[vernal cosmos]

You too! Ive always found a good nights rest fixes many pc problems

[regal obsidian]

Hopefully this can lol

Currently it's a:
R5 2600x
Asrock X570 Extreme4, not the wifi one
2x16gb Corsair Vengeance Pro 2933 + 2x8gb Corsair Vengeance 2933
Powercolor Red Dragon Vega 56
and a Samsung Evo 860 1tb

[vernal cosmos]

Remove either the 2 8gb sticks or the 2 16gb sticks

[regal obsidian]

Kk. Will keep you posted then

[vernal cosmos]

Make sure the 2 that u have in the pc are in slot 2 and 4

1 is closest to cpu

4 is farthest away

[regal obsidian]

That I know too.

[vernal cosmos]

Did u buy the 2 8gb sicks as a kit or seperate btw

The 2 16gb ones too

1 stick at a time or both in a kit

[regal obsidian]

Both were in their respective kits.

[vernal cosmos]

Ok good

Try just 2 16gb sticks then

If that fails just 1 stick in slot 2

If that fails try the 8gb sticks

[regal obsidian]

Hopefully that does. Just to be sure, the fact that it's stuck in a boot loop is at least a sign that the CPU is working, or no?

[vernal cosmos]

Can be anything tbh

Wouldnt rule out any component

Even psu can cause boot loops

[regal obsidian]

Gotcha gotcha.

[vernal cosmos]

Anyway imma head out if that fails someone else should help out

[regal obsidian]

Was about to say that you should head to bed lol
But genuinely thanks for the help. Even if those don't work, I appreciate it ^-^

[regal obsidian]

Update: Swapping RAM was a no-go .-.

Starting to think that it might be a dud

[vast meadow]

Hmm, it's possible but very unlikely

[vast meadow]

Can you boot with the 2600x?

[regal obsidian]

Oh yes. In fact I've been swapping them out since I forgot to do the bios flash earlier today, but I started asking for help after I got it flashed with the new update

I was initially hoping this would be a few updates, then a swap and drop.

[vast meadow]

Can you do into bios with the 2600x and confirm the bios version for me?

[regal obsidian]

Sure. Just give me a bit to get them put in

Okay, so it's p3.80, the newest version from Asrock's webpage

[vast meadow]

Odd

Sounds like you're gotten a rare dud

Are any of the pins bent?

[regal obsidian]

I have one more test though. Lemme just get it set up

[modest vapor]

which mother board form as rock is it?

*from

[regal obsidian]

And no. I bought it second-hand from a reliable local seller

The x570 Extreme4

[modest vapor]

that board i've looked at before and it is known to have a few bios issues.

[regal obsidian]

Not the wifi version though. Here's the other components

Ohhh boy

[modest vapor]

as rock doesnt have the most reliable bios as from what i've read

[regal obsidian]

So should I flash a different update?

[modest vapor]

did it work with the 2600x with no issues?

[regal obsidian]

Pretty much. I've only been having it with the 5900x

[vast meadow]

I'd check for bent pins

[modest vapor]

hm

its either bent pins or could just be you got a bad 5900x

or the bios flash isnt working correctly

[regal obsidian]

The pins are good. I checked that before leaving the seller

[modest vapor]

i personally prefer msi, asus for motherboards

(even tho asus has the worst rgb software ever)

[regal obsidian]

I've liked asrock so far, but this is annoying to say the least
And Asus isn't so bad. Try using a Gigabyte board lol

[grizzled bloom]

One thing you can try is going a version back on the bios instead of latest

[vast meadow]

Nah they on latest bios

[modest vapor]

i would never buy a gigabyte board or gpu lol

[vast meadow]

Gigabyte make some great boards

[pearl hare]

Any Trident ddr5 drops?

[modest vapor]

i just prefer msi or asus in my opinion

[regal obsidian]

They do. Just the software stinks at times

[modest vapor]

same with asus and as rocks polychrome

[grizzled bloom]

Gigabyte motherboards are good and bad, depends on model

[vast meadow]

I hate Asus's bios and they're boards usually overpriced

[vast meadow]

Like all aibs tho lol

[modest vapor]

im in the process of looking for a new board still since you know the whole issue with my pc

[regal obsidian]

I have a fallback test with a second project I'm gonna try. Hopefully that works

[vast meadow]

What happened to it again?

[modest vapor]

it was the motherboard that was havving issues with the gpu fps drop and stuff

and its been through a fry before

i tried everything from ddu fresh installs, windows ram fixes and nothing

im trying my rx 570 in it to see if its the gpu tomorrow.

[vast meadow]

I see

[modest vapor]

i look at the asus rog b550 a gaming white and black mobo or the msi b550 tomahawk

i just need one that will go well with my ryzen 7 3700x

[vast meadow]

I'd grab b550 msi pro vdh (wifi) or b550m aorus pro

The aorus pro is better and cheaper atm

[regal obsidian]

Out of curiosity, do you have to use a 3rd gen Ryzen to update the bios? I think I maybe found the issue if I have to

Because I saw this

[modest vapor]

you need the 3000 series depends on when the board came out

[vast meadow]

Nope

[grizzled bloom]

2000 works

[regal obsidian]

Oh dear. I got it late 2019, so that might be it

Weird

Hmmmm

[modest vapor]

it should work tbh

[regal obsidian]

That's what I thought

[modest vapor]

unless its just as rocks bios.

[regal obsidian]

This is where I hate computers as a whole XD

[modest vapor]

trust me i dont even know whats wrong with mine

gpu is using more vram then normal, low fps even at low graphics even with a ddu uninstal and fresh install.

and my pc has survived a fry about 1-2 months ago

[regal obsidian]

Why did we even trick rocks into thinking lmao

[modest vapor]

by this point i call my pc the "computer of pain"

i just hope the fry didnt hurt my gpu

if its the motherboad thats easier to replace

[regal obsidian]

Hopefully that's all.

[grizzled bloom]

So we don't have to

[regal obsidian]

My second test will be to put the 5900x into a motherboard that I got a few weeks ago. It's a b450, but it should at least have the updated bios from the factory, correct?

Also mood lol

[modest vapor]

b450 may not work

just gotta check the board

[grizzled bloom]

Check the box for factory installed version

It'll depend on how long the box sat on the shelf

[regal obsidian]

Gotcha. Our Newegg overlords said that it's 5000 series compatible on the page, but hopefully it has the newer bios

[modest vapor]

should i get a x570 or b550 for my ryzen 7 3700x?

( i need atleast 2 m.2heat sinks also

[regal obsidian]

Personally I'd do x570

You'd have more compatibility too with it, so there's that

[grizzled bloom]

AMD has a loaner CPU program for bios updates, I don't know if it's still running though

Worst case you get some old dual core Athlon for $20 to update with

[modest vapor]

amd may still do it

i honestly dont know either

i've seen the ryzen 5 1600 still being sold on amazon

[regal obsidian]

They do. Still that's pretty inconvenient, and I have friends who have cpus

[grizzled bloom]

That works better then. You're in a better situation than some others.

[modest vapor]

im still trying to find a dual core/6 core amd cpu to use on a linux based pc

(its gonna be used for hosting servers like minecraft and rust)

[grizzled bloom]

I use Linux on my 11 year old laptop that came with a single core processor. I upgraded to dual core.

For a server you can always get a xeon workstation for like $150-200

[rocky beacon]

E5 Xeon Dell workstations usually are cheap

[grizzled bloom]

I got mine for $100 plus a memory upgrade I did. Has an e5 1650, decent single core performance. 12 threads too.

[rocky beacon]

Yeah I got a T3610 with a E5-1650 V2 for cheap

[regal obsidian]

The other motherboard is a p3.80 board too, so hopefully that'll work

[modest vapor]

well theirs an issues for the server hosting i wanna do

the fivem server (gta rp) require 2gb of vram

so i would need a decated 2gb gpu for it or 2 1gb sli ran

[grizzled bloom]

You can get a 750 ti pretty cheap

[modest vapor]

alr

[winged rain]

@grizzled bloom Hello, again! Just thought you'd like to know I bought the G.Skill Flare X 64 GB cl14 RAM you recommended a couple of days ago. Thanks again for your help with that!

[grizzled bloom]

Nice! That should be a great kit for even the most intense use

[regal obsidian]

Welp. At this point this point, I'm considering the 5900 doa

[cursive epoch]

B550 actually came out after X570

So B550 has better chance in being compatible out of box with 5000 series

[grizzled bloom]

While that was true for a long time there's a good chance for both at this point. It's all down to luck.

[cursive epoch]

true

[vernal cosmos]

The only gigabyte product thats bad is a few psus

Great monitors, gpus and mobos

[finite elm]

Gigabyte has SSD's and Ram btw ;P

and an AIO

[cyan raft]

Gigabyte GPUs really depends on the model

3090 Aorus master

[vernal cosmos]

The b550 aorus master is imo the best amd mobo out there

[cyan raft]

2 8 pin 3090 what a joke

[vernal cosmos]

Those are decent too

[cyan raft]

The Aorus Master 6800xt is amazing once you get new pads

[vernal cosmos]

Not only gigabyte does that tho

[finite elm]

both the Aorus Master xtreme (AIO) and Master have 2x8 pin. My xtreme 3090 has 3x8 pin though

[cyan raft]

Who else does it? I only really heard of the Aorus master being like that?

[vernal cosmos]

Nah you dont need new pads anymore

[cyan raft]

Mine needed new pads

They were horrible

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah because u bought a while ago

[cyan raft]

Now with new pads my load temps are around 50C

Beginning of this summer so yeah it’s been a while

[vernal cosmos]

The pad situation was fixed 2-3 monfs back

[cyan raft]

Time to buy another gigabyte gpu to check them pads

[finite elm]

oh really? 100% gigabyte build incoming.

[cyan raft]

[finite elm]

except the PSU ;P

[cyan raft]

Aorus PGM isnt bad

[vernal cosmos]

Asus tuf has 2 8 pins as well

[cyan raft]

Not good but not bad

[cyan raft]

That’s actually disappointing from Asus

[vernal cosmos]

Actually pretty decent

Its b tier

Fine to run a 3090 off it

Dont remember the wattage tho

So maybe dont

[vernal cosmos]

Model>Brand

[finite elm]

I'm watching fun PC itx builds and I wanna do that e.e

[cyan raft]

Oh I know, I just like making fun of gigabyte after they bent me over with their RMA service

[daring raft]

Is the 3 3300x good? For gaming, school stuff and recording

[vernal cosmos]

Price?

That ur paying for the 3300x

@daring raft

[daring raft]

Wait let me chrck

Its around 7k here in php so like 120 dollars??

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah its good at that price

[daring raft]

Ok nc ty

[drowsy ruin]

which cpu is better AMD Ryzen 7 5800X or Intel Core i7-10700K?

[vast meadow]

exluding price, 5800x

10700(k)(f) is better value imo

[glass plover]

Anyone good at troubleshooting why my computer keeps crashing when I set my new 3600 MHz ram to anything other than 2133mhz

[rocky beacon]

Are you doing XMP?

What kit of RAM is it also?

[glass plover]

I have a Ryzen 7 3700x are it's Corsair vengeance lpx 16x2

I have the same kind that I was using before but 8x2 3000mhz and it runs fine

[vast meadow]

Are you using xmp or trying to tune the kit yourself?

If tuning yourself, turn on xmp, if xmp is already on, try setting the soc voltage to 1.1v(1100mv)

[glass plover]

I think that fixed it, Thank you!

[vast meadow]

Np

[warm bolt]

Does the button moving from notify to view details mean dropping soon?

[shy wyvern]

How do I see if my motherboard supports 1.45v xmp profiles?

Apparently the kit I bought (still in shipping) can't run at 4400mhz if the board doesn't support 1.45v XMP profiles

Half the reviews for the Patriot viper steel 4400 say they can't get it to boot with the xmp profiles so I'm a bit paranoid

[grizzled bloom]

Every board capable of memory overclock should be able to use 1.45v, it's just that patriot doesn't have as good compatibility as other brands like g.skill and crucial. Besides that, at 4400 speed simply toggling xmp on isn't going to be good enough, you'll need to make other adjustments probably.

[limber dragon]

depends on the board, I've seen asus limit voltage because they used 1.6v/1.8v caps on the vdimm rail

[shy wyvern]

I'm also running 4 sticks of it too

Idk if that's too much for the memory controller at high speed

[grizzled bloom]

With 4 sticks you'll definitely need to adjust some voltages

[shy wyvern]

I've never really done high end memory stuff

[limber dragon]

4 sticks on which board?

[grizzled bloom]

Odd, because DDR4 spec goes up to 1.5v so I guess they're just tossing that out

[shy wyvern]

Z690a pro

I'm currently running 4 sticks at 3000 cl16

I just wanted more speed

[limber dragon]

should be fine if you run gear 2, but ymmv with adl on ddr4

its supposed to have the same imc as rkl

[shy wyvern]

So I bought 4 patriot viper steel ddr4 4400 for $100

Alright

[limber dragon]

and you're getting sticks worth $100

[shy wyvern]

I get most my components at bargain value

[grizzled bloom]

This should be interesting to say the least...

[limber dragon]

patriot sticks suck
low end msi board
ddr4 on adl

[shy wyvern]

Everyone mocks ddr4 on alderlake but when a good ddr5 32gb kit is more than my cpu

[vernal cosmos]

Buildzoid highly recommends the z690 msi a pro

[shy wyvern]

I can't afford that

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah DDR5 is unnecessary on 12600

[limber dragon]

I think you mean gigabyte z690 pro, not msi

[shy wyvern]

I figured ddr4 4400 cl19 would be decent enough for 12600

[limber dragon]

same name, very different mobos

[vernal cosmos]

https://youtu.be/ys6D2528yUs?t=17

No I dont

I mean the msi a pro

[grizzled bloom]

Did MSI even send him more than one board? He mentioned gigabyte sends tons

[shy wyvern]

Imo the a pro is the only decently priced board from MSI for the features you get

[limber dragon]

gigabyte sends bz pretty much the entire lineup

[shy wyvern]

Get them to talk about more boards from gigabyte that way

[vast meadow]

It's a good board vrm wise etc tbh idk how the mem is on it tho

[vast meadow]

Both the aorus pro and a pro got big thumbs up from buildzoid

[limber dragon]

a pro seems to just have a decent vrm for cheap, but you also get MSI™️ bios

[vast meadow]

True

[limber dragon]

aorus pro has actual features

[vast meadow]

Gigabyte bios best

Imo

The aorus is v nice for price tho, like 270 for the d4 version

[limber dragon]

giga bios has a learning curve, but its really nice once you're used to it

ddr4 versions should really only be used for super budget, in which case cml would be a better bet

[mild jackal]

Gigabyte favorites menu >asus favorites menu.

Just wish page down worked as page down instead of decrement value

[shy wyvern]

Okay from what I've seen

It's definitely my memory that's bottlenecking me in 2042

Cl16 3000 big sad

Hardware unboxed testing shows 20%~ gains with better memory

That's like entire CPU tier levels

[limber dragon]

we could have told you that before you even turned the pc on

[shy wyvern]

LOL

[limber dragon]

wait, we did

[shy wyvern]

I was running an 8600k before this don't bulli me

I was waiting to find a good deal on used memory

[limber dragon]

I can find you a good deal on ddr3 too

[shy wyvern]

I just bought patriot viper steel ddr4 4400 sticks at $25 a pop

Which I feel would be better than my goldfish tier gskill aegis

[shy wyvern]

I have like 24GB in spare ddr3 sticks

From me gutting non working optiplexes and stuff for parts

[bleak wyvern]

i am trying to build my own pc i know about everything but the mother board could someone help me to better understand the type and what its good for

[grizzled bloom]

What cpu are you planning to use?

[bleak wyvern]

i am waiting to fint a motherboard to choose but i want a... give me one sec

[toxic tulip]

hey is cpuagent a accurate site ?

[bleak wyvern]

well i want at least 8 cores but am willing to look up any cpu for what could go to a motherboard

[grizzled bloom]

AMD or Intel in that case? And what budget for both?

[bleak wyvern]

the motherboard someone told me was good is a z370 but it only supports 8th gen and i want to get a 30 series hopefully

the budget i would say 500 for cpu and i think i would prepher intel unless showed better

[grizzled bloom]

$500 usd an get you good stuff, I'll find a couple options

[hollow thorn]

11600k+z590 might be possible

[vast meadow]

Nah, ddr5 is like non existent lmao

[grizzled bloom]

But if they want 8 cores they'd need 10700 or 5800X

[bleak wyvern]

what is the diffrence between the Z and B iteams

[hollow thorn]

12600k is technically 10 cores >:P

[grizzled bloom]

Intel restricts overclocking to Z motherboards and K processors

[limber dragon]

yeah, but also dont buy adl if you're going to be using ddr4 with it

[vast meadow]

Ehh not a huge difference

[hollow thorn]

Depends on generation, generally, pre-b560 B and H series won't allow for memory OC, and all B and H series won't allow for CPU OC, and Z series motherboards tend to be have better IO than B and H series

[bleak wyvern]

is the higher the number the better the board?

[grizzled bloom]

No, it's a little more than that

[hollow thorn]

Different chipsets and different generations

[grizzled bloom]

The first number is generation, the second is feature level

[hollow thorn]

It's better to look at specific chipsets than to just make generalizations btw.

Z690 cannot be realistically compared with Z590 because they have different sockets, nor can you realistically compare Z490 and Z390 for the same reason

[grizzled bloom]

For AMD it's a little different from that too. B550 can be better than X570 for example.

AMD option: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2v4k68
Intel option: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F7myTC
Both will perform about the same

[bleak wyvern]

you my friend are way better at findig things than i am can i run modern warefare on these with the proper graphicscard and still be fine?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep, those CPUs can handle even a 3090

[bleak wyvern]

the motherboard alon i was looking at was a z390 for567 and then a i7-9700k got 330

[grizzled bloom]

9th gen Intel isn't really worth looking at for new parts right now. It's out of production for years at this point so it's all old stock, better to look at used market on older gens.

Meanwhile, 10th and 11th gen are discounted because of 12th gen launch

[bleak wyvern]

so out of these options which would you suggest to me if i came to you with them

[grizzled bloom]

Both are great options and very comparable in performance. If you want every bit of performance possible I'd go AMD because it's a few % better, but the Intel is still a solid choice for budget.

If you prefer Intel there's no reason not to get it

[bleak wyvern]

well i thought you ment budget for just the cpu because i can never find one that i would want for less than 300 for bout its close to 700 but you have said this are good and i dont need to spend more than i need to

thank you very much for the help

[grizzled bloom]

For gaming, there's no reason to spend more than $500-ish on CPU and mobo. You only need a higher tier processor for workstation tasks, rendering, things like that.

Happy to help

[naive pendant]

would zen 5 5600x be recommended

[vast meadow]

Depends on budget

[naive pendant]

aiming at around 1500 for now

[vast meadow]

Yeah sure

[hidden wadi]

Hi Guys I need to find a mining motherboard with CPU for 8 iGame RTX GeForce 3070 GPUs. Any recommendations on something that is on inventory?

[cursive epoch]

aliexpress is a good source

[shy wyvern]

8 3070's? That's probably worth more than me...

[naive pendant]

Wait really?

[cursive epoch]

well

source for mining mobos with cpu included

you can easily find boards that has lots of pcie slots

[naive pendant]

Ah i don't mine, dont know enough about it

Its sad because where I live (Québec), the electricity is VERY cheap

Its all State owned Hydro

[pale fox]

I've got a 3600 ryzen 5 cpu what kind of cpu should I get for an upgrade?

[vernal cosmos]

5600x

Or up

5800x

5900x

[vast meadow]

Or wait for zen3d in January

[naive pendant]

Okay so

I have the choice between an i5-6500 and an i5-4690k.

Which should I go for?

The 4690k is faster, in real world benchmarks and on paper

But the 6500 has upgradability in the future, and has better support for video editing programs

[vast meadow]

6th/7th gen upgrade path is mediocre

I'd personally get the 4690k and oc it

[naive pendant]

Gotcha

Thanks

[errant grail]

or get an 10400 in used market

maybe u can get the deal

maybe i3 10100 aswell

u can get some motherboard like 50$ if u need that as well

[naive pendant]

I’m not buying them

I’ve got two options from two existing CPUs in the house

[cursive epoch]

oh

hmm

i would say 4690k

it wouldn't even matter anyway

[pale fox]

I used wet wipes on my cpu, would that mean I have to get new cpu?

[vast meadow]

On the pins?

[pale fox]

On the outside, but it aint turning on

[vast meadow]

Nothing wrong with using it on the top of the cpu

[pale fox]

What if I used wet wipes on the mobo?

I cba anyone imma just buy a new cpu

[vast meadow]

As long as you made sure the mobo was dry before turning on it's fine

[pale fox]

Ok

[naive pendant]

is it okay to disable memory dump?

it makes my pc BSOD

ntoskrnl.exe

[vast meadow]

Memory dump is what shows what happened when your pc bsod's btw not causes it, can you download and run whocrashed

[pearl hare]

Any know what it means when something on MC website goes from sold out to 0 new in stock. Also not showing a price anymore. It’s for Trident Z5 DDR5 rams

[vast meadow]

No idea but ddr5 is almost impossible to find

[pearl hare]

T force DDR5 ram was available on Amazon the other day for like 10 minutes. I just want Trident

[vast meadow]

If you haven't already gotten a ddr5 board you can just get some fast ddr4 and won't really notice a difference

[cursive epoch]

^

[pearl hare]

I got a DDR5 board. I am doing a fresh build with a 12900k and 3090 FE. Might as well go DDR5

[cursive epoch]

thing is

ddr5 doesn't give any gains

good ddr4 matches ddr5 atm

cause ddr5 has crappy timings rn

[pearl hare]

For now. I just figured if I am doing a new build might as well get a ddr5 board

[vast meadow]

Fair, honestly just get any ddr5 you can, you can sell it later and get trident z later on if you want

[cursive epoch]

that's fair

but it's so hard to get ddr5 atm

that's the reason im not seeing any sense

i don't got the patience myself

[vast meadow]

Honestly I'd return the board, get a d4 version and wait for d5 until your next upgrade

[cursive epoch]

^

ddr5 will take a good while before it gets better

[naive pendant]

Around half a year

[pearl hare]

Idk trident seems to be breaking the barriers pretty fast

[cursive epoch]

eh nah

speed? yes, latency no

the latency's still terrible

[vast meadow]

Nah I'd say around a year

[naive pendant]

Something like that

[cursive epoch]

ddr4 took pretty long to become good lel

[vast meadow]

It really depends, but the fastest kit I've seen is team 6400mhz cl38

[cursive epoch]

it's the same stuff all over again

[naive pendant]

How can I overclock my i5 10600k with a lian li 240 argb?

[vast meadow]

Yes

[cursive epoch]

first have a z mobo

[vast meadow]

As long as z board

[cursive epoch]

just to make sure

like z490/590

anything other than that means no cpu oc

[keen inlet]

what temps should be fine for my cpu?

i wanna try overclocking with my current cooler

[vast meadow]

anything under 90c under synthetic full load is fine

[keen inlet]

so being under 80c in gaming should be fine?

[hollow thorn]

Yes

[devout moth]

Vash#5470 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Vash#5470 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[timber cliff]

where can I get DDR5?

[vast meadow]

2022

[timber cliff]

😦

[limpid warren]

using ASUS B550-F Gaming Wifi w/ 5900x. I had to completely disassemble custom loop because opaque coolant likes to leave deposits & clog CPU block. Anyway, rebuilt everything but now the aRGB header on the board apparently doesn't work. Tried reinstall of ArmouryCrap & no change. Also tried plugging a single argb component directly to board but also didn't work (EK waterblock LED strip--like 8-10 LEDS, definitely not overload on header). Any idea(s)?

[rapid thunder]

Apologies if this is a stupid question, but can you plug a case fan into an AIO pump header safely?

[limpid warren]

yes

usually AIO pump header is designated as such

because it handles 2 amps

compared to the usual 1 amp that fan headers have

[limpid warren]

also AIO pump header can usually be toggled between RPM & L/minute unlike fan headers. Obviously you'd want rpm for a fan

I have fans plugged into my AIO pump header presently because I prefer to use CPU header for the PWM part of my pump

[rapid thunder]

Thanks

[wind karma]

So I'm a dumbass and lost the plastic clamshell that my r5 3600x came in. What are my options for packaging it to ship?

[limpid gulch]

🤤

[wind karma]

I got these with some electronics at some point. The bag looks antistatic but idk how to tell if the foam is

I also have a larger piece of foam that came with my motherboard

[grizzled bloom]

If you have a multimeter you can set it to resistance mode and see exactly how conductive it is

[wind karma]

I don't have one but I might know someone who does

also idk if the pins would poke into that foam anyways

[grizzled bloom]

It doesn't need to poke in, just measuring on the surface is good

[wind karma]

no like the cpu pins

wouldnt they need to stick into whatever foam I'm using?

[grizzled bloom]

For an AMD chip I'm assuming then.
As long as the pins don't bend it's fine.

[wind karma]

yeah I'm just thinking it might be too dense to poke the cpu pins into

might just see if someone I know has one of the clamshells and is willing to give it to me

[grizzled bloom]

That would be ideal

[unborn void]

Ayo

So im getting a ryzen 9 5900x

And im having trouble deciding if I should get a x570 or a b550

Any opinions?

[wind karma]

b550 is the budget version of x570

iirc it uses pcie gen3 instead of gen4

@unborn void

[unborn void]

Ok lit

I dont wanna cheap out if I'm getting a 5900x

So ill cop the x570

But I also don't wanna break the bank

[wind karma]

as far as I know x570 isn't that much more expensive

[unborn void]

No I was looking it really isn't

[wind karma]

realistically, you'll be fine with either one

[unborn void]

I dont plan on doing anything super crazy

[wind karma]

though for a higher end system might want to go with x570

[unborn void]

Do you think an asrock b550 taichi would be good

Cause all the specs look solid

And its on sale rn

[grizzled bloom]

Not really true. There's still gen 4 lanes from the CPU, and many B550 boards have better power delivery

[wind karma]

huh

[unborn void]

Mixed reviews 🤭🤭

[wind karma]

weird

[unborn void]

So thoughts on that taichi?

[grizzled bloom]

Asrock is a mixed bag, let me look into it

[unborn void]

Ty good sir

[cursive epoch]

taichi is nah imo

[unborn void]

I've always heard good things about aichis

[cursive epoch]

Would rather do msi a-pro

[unborn void]

Ok interesting interesting

[grizzled bloom]

VRM is good on the Taichi at least

But I really dislike their BIOS

[unborn void]

Also good to note

I've only ever owned asus

And I like it

[grizzled bloom]

And the VRM on that MSI A-Pro is about the same tier as the Taichi

[unborn void]

But i want to switch it up

[wind karma]

amazon has a asus rog b550 for $178

[grizzled bloom]

I'd get Aorus Elite over that board tbh

[wind karma]

idk if asus makes good mobos though, i only have heard about their gpus

[grizzled bloom]

Asus boards are mostly good. Tuf series tends to be good.

[unborn void]

I can say from experience asus is good

Never had issues

[grizzled bloom]

Better BIOS than Asrock and Gigabyte also

[unborn void]

Ok ill look into that one on sale

[wind karma]

I have asrock and I can attest that the bios is ehh

[unborn void]

Okok

[hollow thorn]

Asus bios is sad for troubleshooting

[wind karma]

found amd cpu clamshells on amazon :)

[rapid thunder]

Does thermal paste brand matter appreciably to performance?

[grizzled bloom]

Brand? Not really. Model? Now that can make a difference.

[grizzled bloom]

The arctic silver is the better of those two

[limpid warren]

my B550-F is gen 4 for GPU

[limpid warren]

fI have ASUS rog b550-F gaming wifi & rn none of my rgb works

also the BIOS have three different places to enable PBO, only one of which has curve optimizer

I don't dislike the board particularly, but I wouldn't buy it again

[warm bolt]

If ddr5 drops tn for whatever reason some pls @ the sht out of me. You have my permission.

[limpid warren]

in fact, I only got it because it came with the 3060 I won in shuffle

[grizzled bloom]

There's stock drop discord channels for that

[limpid warren]

Gigabyte BIOS are strange

[warm bolt]

Because then I can at least build my pc and have a faster pc for some stuff I need to get done.

[limpid warren]

really tho, I have an MSI Z490, Aorus Z590 Ultra, & the Asus B550-F gaming whatever & I really don't like the BIOS on any of them lol

[wind karma]

I don't particularly like my asrock bios

maybe bios's are just not great in general

[warm bolt]

@grizzled bloom Im in one but still might miss it just from those notis.

[limpid warren]

ASUS has too many settings, many of which are redundant; MSI just feels crappy; & Aorus are probably the ones I hate least but they often don't make sense

[rocky beacon]

ASUS has the best BIOS imo

[warm bolt]

I don’t expect anyone to realistically @ me but if anyone is up when it drops and remembers you can spam me.

[limpid warren]

ya I agree. If the Asus board didn't have so many redundant things in the BIOS, it would be winner to me

Asus's fan profile thing is pretty mediocre tho

of the three I'd also pick Aorus because it doesn't need dragon center or armoury crate

both of which are raging dumpster infernos

& I'm not sure why exactly, but the MSI Z490 couldn't stabilize 10900K at 5.1ghz all core but the Aorus board could

oh & the MSI I have doesn't have VRVOUT on HWiNFO, forcing you to use vCore for voltage readings when overclocking & that kinda sucks

[vernal cosmos]

Asus is OK

Its great for most people

For overclocking tho once you get the hang of gigabyte bios ur good

[limpid warren]

I feel like if you're troubleshooting, Asus is the best BIOS to have because it's easiest to find info

[vernal cosmos]

Asrock bios has rgb control in the bios

One thing ill give to asus is the search function

MSI is easy to use

[limpid warren]

MSI is really good for setting fan curves & all that

Aorus is good too. Asus sucks

well isn't great I guess better said

[warm bolt]

This is actually a conversation I was wondering about since after I get ddr5 im going to choose a mobo. Was wondering about their bioses if two are close to the same price and looks would go on who has better software.

[limpid warren]

Aorus has very simple motherboard software, which is a good thing if you ask me

ASUS wants to run so much crap

& adding the fact that their software is crap, it's annoying

is this a lot of crap? it looks like a lot of crap

[vernal cosmos]

Its a lotta crap

[limpid warren]

ya Aorus doesn't do that

& you have to like take affirmative steps to install Aorus programs

whereas MSI & Asus just do it for you then you have to figure out what you can gut later

[grizzled bloom]

MSI center has changed that. You have to select what components to install.

[limpid warren]

that's good at least

I dunno what I was supposed to do with their LAN manager lol

[naive pendant]

Get 2 stick of 16 of Corsair Vengeance for 200 bucks or for 100 get 2 more sticks of 8 of GSkill Ripjaws V?

[grizzled bloom]

It's basically a QoS program that prioritizes game traffic for latency. It only makes a difference on slower or more congested networks.

[grizzled bloom]

It's a gamble if you add new sticks to current ones. They might not be the same memory die, causing compatibility issues.

Why would you need 32GB anyway? For gaming 16GB is plenty, unless you're playing FS2020 at max settings with texture streaming.

[limpid warren]

do you think 16gb will be enough say, 3 years from now?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably. Windows 11 uses a little more memory but not that much. Games are still using about 6-8GB on top of Windows.

[naive pendant]

I run out when running VMs or editing photos

[grizzled bloom]

Ah yes that's a good reason then

The safe route is a new kit of 2x16, or you can gamble with the 2+2x8

[naive pendant]

Even if I get the exact same one?

[grizzled bloom]

Correct. Different dies can have the same timings.

[vernal cosmos]

Unless u got ballistix the first time around, no guarantee that another kit will just work

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah if it was Crucial the odds would be better but g.skill uses every kind of die possible

[naive pendant]

Oh

[midnight burrow]

Anyone know when Newegg will have more DDR5 available? I fully committed on a Z690 board, now I don't have a PC to use.

[cursive epoch]

I'd suggest refunding and gettin ddr4 z690 instead

ddr5 atm sucks

a good kit of ddr4 should do

like 3600c16

or 4000c18

it does as well as many ddr5 kits atm due to horrible timings it has compared to 4

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, these early runs of the new gen stuff aren't quite as good as last gen, which is cheaper. There's only like 1-2 cases where DDR5 is better at this point.

[shy wyvern]

I use 19.5GB in battlefield 2042

It's kinda absurd tbh

[grizzled bloom]

That's info I didn't have before. Haven't played it and don't really plan to, but good to know.

I guess it makes sense with 128 player maps though

[shy wyvern]

It uses so much ram

Like an absurd amount

How tf is the minimum spec 8GB

Like I'm using 2.5x that

Granted I have like chrome open at the same time usually but still 19.5GB is really high

[shy wyvern]

Game really likes it ram speed too. You can get a 25% performance jump going from 2666 to 3600 from some tests I've seen. May be fixed later with optimization

[grizzled bloom]

Minimum usually expects 1080p low these days

Sometimes they spec it for 720p

[shy wyvern]

Still. Minimum should be 12 or something

Plenty of other games have 12GB minimums

[vast meadow]

12gb is just cursed amount of ram tho

Either running 3x single channel or imc doing overtime to run 2 dual channel and 1 single channel or you're running 1 4gb and 1 8gb and they're all gonna be mixed kits so not even gaurenteed to work lol

[dense frost]

thats why I have 64GB or ram. game can use 12, and I have plenty left over for winamp

[cursive epoch]

memory compression and page file exists

if there's less ram the os will try to squeeze all that stuff in

but it's not optimal ofc

as it'll rely on storage more, which is ya know much slower than ram

it could introduce stutters

[subtle crow]

Wow, and I thought warzone used a ton at like 10 gigs

[civic glade]

Anyone know why my memory is stuck at 2400? I have a Ryzen 3400g, and I upgraded from 2X8 to 4x8 so I would have 32gb of ram, but my memory won't go past 2400, and when I had two sticks, it ran at 3333

[vast meadow]

What are the rated speeds of the kits?

[civic glade]

3600 at 1.35 volts

I'm not sure if it's a motherboard issue or not, because I have a ASRock b450 pro4, but I have the latest bios

[vast meadow]

Try setting soc voltage(vsoc) to 1.1v first

[civic glade]

I did, any voltage I set it to won't let it past 2400, and I'm not sure why

[vast meadow]

Soc voltage not ram voltage?

[civic glade]

Oh, I didn't try that, lol

I'll have to try that later when I get home, I was talking to some friends about it, and they were confused, lol

Thanks for the help, lol

[vast meadow]

Np

[devout moth]

Sam_Carrodus#3209 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Sam_Carrodus#3209 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[cerulean wadi]

Winamp, another person of culture I see 😎. 16GB was plenty, but I like 32GB. Highest game use was about 12GB but it's cool to end up w/ 25ish total because it's cached stuff when switching games.

Would z590 & 10th or 11th gen be suggested these days? Currently rock Win7 on a z77/3550 w/ ddr3 & Asus' 1080 🙃.
--I'm good mostly at 1080P, just would like an option of m.2 drives & such. Thnx

[vast meadow]

It depends on your budget and use case tbh

[cerulean wadi]

Thnx. -Usually 90% gaming tbh & likely $500-600 for normal choices. I also sort of want to try Win 10 but not sure it's worth the hassle on this mobo/system. How long would Win7 fine for? I could fresh install that onto a spare ssd instead (of current hdd).

[subtle crow]

wouldn't the i5-12600k be better value than 10th and 11th gen?

unless you want to go cheaper with the 11400

or even i3

[vast meadow]

Definitely move to windows 10, windows 7 doesn't get updates anymore

[cerulean wadi]

Not sure. 12th gen does allow ddr4 I think. I'd skip i3 though. I keep stuff long term.

[vast meadow]

And what graphics card do you have?

[subtle crow]

it does do DDR4 and DDR5

requires a different mobo for different types though

[cerulean wadi]

Yeah, Win7 lost support.
--gtx 1080

[vast meadow]

Okay nice still good gpu

[vast meadow]

Are you in the us?

[subtle crow]

A 12600k build with the MSI Pro and DDR4 in my opinion is 100% the best midrange build you can get

[cerulean wadi]

Yep, in the west

[cerulean wadi]

Yes I've noticed the 3550 probably holds it back a bit.

[cerulean wadi]

Thank you for the option. I also like Gigabyte as that's what I have. Most z690 mobos seem quite spendy. There are a few $200ish ones though

[vast meadow]

Definitely, emm unfortunately 12th gen would go a bit over budget by like 30$ or so would that be okay?

[vast meadow]

Yeah, the msi a pro is better than gigabytes ud tho for 10$ more I'd say it's worth it

[cerulean wadi]

$30 would be no problem. Can new 11th gens be found easy. I figured saving money is one thing, but sometimes might as well pay a bit more for new stuff that's also more recently made.

[gentle acorn]

I was at microcenter and they had like 30 in stock…

[subtle crow]

You wanting 11th gen over 12th gen?

11th gen is older and less performance for the price

but 12th gen is new and still a little buggy

[gentle acorn]

I was referring to 12th gen i5-12600k i misread

[vast meadow]

Yes but it you were going 11th gen, you could save money, or you would want to go 10700/ryzen 5 5600x instead

[vast meadow]

Actually do you have a micro center near you?

[cerulean wadi]

I saw that $215ish deal, but they're 300miles away.

[vast meadow]

Shame

[gentle acorn]

Dang

[vast meadow]

Okay so https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZhFZgt this is what going 12th gen would cost but I'll put some cheaper options in there

[cerulean wadi]

No pref really, but I'm used to stuf that's old and has issues ironed out ya know

[vast meadow]

@cerulean wadi what case do you have btw?

Anyway, as long as your case can handle a 240mm aio, this is the other option I'd go for https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V3Wc3Z

[cerulean wadi]

CM RC690, but I actually prefer a hsf. Still might get a modern case though.

[vast meadow]

Hsf?

[jaunty matrix]

I've just purchase the Asus RoG Crosshair Extreme for my new build. I am excited to see how it runs

[cerulean wadi]

Heatsink fan *

[vast meadow]

I don't see a rc690, just 690 btw?

[vast meadow]

Ahh, well thing is, better cooling for cheaper with an aio 🤷‍♂️

[cerulean wadi]

It's a pretty old case, pretty sure it's the RC-690 made by Cooler Master. I'll keep an aio in mind. These newer cpus need more cooling than my quad core.

[vast meadow]

Yep

I would have went aio on the 12600k too but tryna keep cost down on that one

[cerulean wadi]

No idea on aio prices tbh, I think $50-60 over most HSF I guess. Found a old newegg link to my case haha. I removed the lower HDD cage long ago for more airflow and less clutter. Current single HDD is in the CD area behind 1 of the intakes
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811119137

[vast meadow]

I found it on Newegg but it looks like it can't fit a 240mm aio, i would consider getting a newer case tho, I'd do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nxVFF8

[vast meadow]

No aios are actually cheaper than competing air coolers like the noctua nh d15

[cerulean wadi]

Oh yeah, apparently liquid cooling has gotten reasonably priced. Hmm, I'll case-search also (quiet models not a concern). Oh, I've had only Intel for quite a while. Appreciate those extra build lists.

[vast meadow]

No problem, the last one i have has a nice case in it too btw

[cerulean wadi]

Front looks good! (funny no cd drive) Mesh is good for me. I like it, well priced. I'll save that one. Good comments. This could easily fit a 240 aio, in front or also the top? Just curious.

[dim cloak]

I would be shocked if Noctua did an AIO for the LGA1700 socket

[cerulean wadi]

That socket by itself is pretty recent huh. Not sure about some bugs around the 12th gen & stuff too. Haven't had a "brand new" cpu/mobo in a long time though. Can you believe my z77 was also only $130ish.

[dim cloak]

Havnt heard that chipset in a long time

[cerulean wadi]

2012ish, lawl. The 3550 cpu has been really good too. See, I'm a gamer 95%. Obviously the gpu has been more important. had a gtx 970 also.

[vast meadow]

Cd drives aren't really a common thing anymore

[vast meadow]

The p400a, doesn't have a top mount for rads, not enough clearance but, the 360mm evga clc is only like 5$ more, i would suggest grabbing that

[vast meadow]

Very considered they've never done an aio

[cerulean wadi]

haha, true. Online movies/games & can use flash drives easy. Could setup a cd drive inside the bottom of the case for rare uses. --No problem, likely would be air cooling for convenience, etc. --Noctua is deffo huge on their air stuff. Liquid cooling would probably be outsourced at 1st anyways.

[vast meadow]

To be honest i wouldn't consider a massive air cooler much easier than an aio tbh lol

[cerulean wadi]

For sure quite heavy huh. I prop the gpu up but never thought about the cpu. I just meant not dealing w/ water. oh right, you don't really deal w/ water on an aio. Hmm, I'll have to research them a bit more now.

[vast meadow]

Yeah, it's already in there, you just mount the aio, the fans and the block pump

[cerulean wadi]

1 thing is that to me, HSF is more "clean" just because of no hoses going around. Although, would be fun to try liquid for a change. COuld you suggest a couple kits to save?

[vast meadow]

Arctic liquid freezer ii 240/280/360mm, ek rgb 240/360mm, lian li Galahad 240/360mm and atm while evga clc 360mm is 90$ it's good price

[cerulean wadi]

Good input. wow, I used to be in awe of huge 360mm rads in cases & they were unreasonably spendy. 👍

[vast meadow]

Yep

[mild jackal]

Used custom loop hardware can be found cheaply as well

[cerulean wadi]

Some RAM feedback real quick? Corsair vengeance for example, 32GB 3600Mhz $140, 16GB 4000Mhz $130. 16GB is probably plenty for now, but I do currently have 32 & it's nice when swapping between a couple games in a day.

[cerulean wadi]

I'm just totally unfamiliar w/ LC & accustomed to a HSF, but I know 6+ cores of modern CPUs could use more cooling than a normal 120/140mm heatsink. Hmm, I know there are 120mm aio's but those aren't worth it I bet.

[mild jackal]

You can sink 300+ watts through a 120mm single tower cooler if the cpu die is large enough.

120 aio's are stupid and nobody should be buying them in 2021

[cerulean wadi]

I just know what my 3550 puts out and what temps it gets. I figure I'd be mighty content w/ sticking to air on a new setup. well, aio can be slightly louder right , w/ the pump or something?

[mild jackal]

Can't go wrong with something like a SE-224 xt

I really like U12A's or D15s

[vast meadow]

Not much point going 4000mhz ram on ryzen, if you want 32gb I'd do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6CVFF8

[mild jackal]

There isn't any better micron for similar price?

[vast meadow]

Unfortunately not

[mild jackal]

32GB rev.e has been as low as $100

bummer https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007611 50001455 600327642 601203950&Order=1

[vast meadow]

Yeah up at 170$ atm

[cerulean wadi]

Ah, so 4K ram is mainly for AMD I guess (+diminishing returns). Forks, this has been $100/32GB? Wow. Huh, this kit makes me think of the old famous Micron D9 stuff. Actually I have/had those chips in Kingston HyperX sticks that I really like.

[mild jackal]

4k ram isn't really "for" anything, but I would never recommend it to someone looking to plug and play xmp on either platform.

Were you into ddr3 overclocking?

But yeah,

[cerulean wadi]

Not exactly, the D9 chips were kinda badass. Oh, ddr3 right now. Just some normal KHX1866 at CL10.

[mild jackal]

d9gmh? (ddr2)

[cerulean wadi]

d9gkx, I think that's what was in the khx8500 kit (1066mhz). Those were the days huh. Biggest ram limit wasn't speed, I'd say it was capacity and/or price. Ok, good to know. No to 4Khz ram

[finite elm]

😩

[vast meadow]

pog

[finite elm]

It'd be all my spending money until next Friday

And then I'd have it sitting there for a bit e.e

Nah, i think imma just let the opportunity float away uwu

[vernal cosmos]

5950x very nice

[finite elm]

Yee

[dim cloak]

Tho a cwispy boio if not properly cooled

[vernal cosmos]

5800x is harder to cool btw

[vast meadow]

not over 5950x. just over 5900x

[vernal cosmos]

Pretty sure its harder to cool than 5950x