cpus-mobo-and-memory

[burnt spear]

12900k isn't worth it unless you're doing multi core tasks

[cursive epoch]

1.3k to upgrade to 12900K?

What are ya looking at

[vast meadow]

Huh? 650$+220$ =1300$?

[cursive epoch]

Most expensive mobo?

[hollow thorn]

older TPU bench, but shows you 10400 vs 8700k at 1080p

I think that's done with a 2080ti

[grizzled bloom]

Memory scalper maybe

[burnt spear]

10700k you mean?

[hollow thorn]

yea ddr5 annoying to buy

[vast meadow]

12600k/12700k*

[cursive epoch]

you don't really need ddr5 on alder lake

it barely makes any diff

[burnt spear]

Yeah, I'd say even 11600k is fine with a 3080

[cursive epoch]

as long as ddr4 kit is good

[burnt spear]

Hell someone here runs it with a 3090

[vast meadow]

That's just mismatched imo but ye

[grizzled bloom]

In order for ddr5 to make a difference you need to have a 12900k and either one of the most expensive memory kits or overclock one yourself and hope for the best

[burnt spear]

Will it be a bigger difference once timings are down?

[cursive epoch]

nope

not big enough

[grizzled bloom]

Frequency needs to go up first, then timings can tighten

[heady prism]

Buying DDR5 right now seems like a waste

[cursive epoch]

it is

[grizzled bloom]

It is, 100%

[cursive epoch]

and they're out of stock everywhere rn

the shortage's real bad

[heady prism]

Just wait until things are optimized for it and by that time there will be more offerings at better prices

[grizzled bloom]

All those poor people that are paying the early adopter fee that are just going to need to upgrade it later anyway...

[shy wyvern]

$70 used kit of ddr4 4400 or higher or a $280 kit of DDR5. I think DDR5 is not worth it for 98% of users rn

[heady prism]

Same with 1700 MOBOs B & H chipsets may have OC abilities this gen

[cursive epoch]

I doubt it about H

[heady prism]

$300+ for a mobo is real steep for entry level z690s

[cursive epoch]

B is likely cause amd

There's z690 at 220 atm

Quite a few actually

[grizzled bloom]

H670? They will if B660 supports

[heady prism]

At least memory OC ability would be nice

[cursive epoch]

Aorus ud ax

And msi a pro

ram oc is already possible on b560 and h570

[heady prism]

$300 was a rough estimate, after tax $220 gets close

Personally I wouldn’t buy a 1700 socket mobo without DDR5 support

[hollow thorn]

until you get a kit of ddr5

[hollow thorn]

It's not the Intel way, they gotta make people buy z690 somehow :p

[heady prism]

We’ll just have to see. My last build was a 10700F B460-i combo. Love it but XMP support would have been perfect. OCing is overrated

[toxic tulip]

can a ryzen 7 3800x run with a b450m motherboard?

[burnt spear]

Do you already have the 3800x?

[toxic tulip]

nope

[burnt spear]

How much were you going to pay for it

[toxic tulip]

250 $ or 1300 lei

[burnt spear]

Are you gaming?

[toxic tulip]

yes just gaming

[burnt spear]

I'd go for a 5600x, I've seen them used go for as low as $220

As for compatibility with that mobo I'm not sure

[toxic tulip]

the 3800x is cheaper than the 5600x where i live

[burnt spear]

If it can't run 5000 series I'd go with a 3700x instead, if you can find one that's cheaper than the 3800x

[burnt spear]

What gpu are you going to have?

[toxic tulip]

ufff i still have gtx 750 ti i know it will bottleneck hard but it's the only thing i have for now

[burnt spear]

What gpu are you going to go for?

[toxic tulip]

i mainly play cs go

[burnt spear]

If you're not looking to upgrade gpu anytime soon a 3600 would be more than enough, and run much cooler than the 3800x (tends to have heat issues)

[toxic tulip]

if i can find any 3600

[finite elm]

I'd rather have CPU bottleneck than the GPU being bottlenecked. I wouldn't worry about that. Also ye 3600 is the only 3000 series I'd buy right now. (3300x too but not for the price most people sell it at 😦 )

[burnt spear]

3600 costs 200$ new, but they should not cost that much used

[toxic tulip]

it's just that it's a 50 $ difference

[burnt spear]

More like 150 used

Wait the 3800x is 250 new?

[toxic tulip]

yes\

brand new from retail

[burnt spear]

Thats not awful then

It will need a decent cooler tho

So it doesn't throttle

[toxic tulip]

well i will try to find 1

[finite elm]

the stock cooler is fine if you don't overclock on the 3000 series.

[burnt spear]

Do you have the motherboard already?

[toxic tulip]

nope

nothing

[burnt spear]

If not 10400 and a b560 would also be a good choice

10400f as well

[toxic tulip]

will it work with a 11400f too?

[burnt spear]

Yeah

[toxic tulip]

it's 20 $ difference

[finite elm]

11400f is

go with the 11400f then.

[toxic tulip]

all right then

[finite elm]

OH how much more is the 11600k?

[toxic tulip]

40 $ i think, but let me check

60$

[finite elm]

eh. yea 11400f would be better then

[toxic tulip]

yup

[finite elm]

unless you want the better IGPU.

[toxic tulip]

if i can hit 300 fps on 960p cs go i won't complain

[burnt spear]

Wait

You're playing in 960p?

[toxic tulip]

yes 4:3 aspect ratio 1280x960

[hollow thorn]

3800x gets hot

[burnt spear]

Bruh

[toxic tulip]

it feels nicer and it's easier to spot heads

[burnt spear]

What is your current setup?

Like full specs of your pc

[toxic tulip]

eh a i3 4170 and gtx 750 ti

it's a old pre build

i plan to replace everything except the gun this month

[burnt spear]

Eek

Yeah def time to upgrade the cpu mobo and ram. If you're just playing csgo the gpu is fine ig

For now

[finite elm]

most people who play comp shooters play at a 4:3 ratio Bacca. its nothing unnatural

[burnt spear]

At 960p?

[finite elm]

yeah...thats 4:3

[burnt spear]

Is it? I don't get into monitors much

[toxic tulip]

yeah only downside is that i have fov restricion but it's not a problem in cs go since you can just run n gun without clearing angles 1 by 1

4:3 streched to be excat

[finite elm]

1280x960 = 4:3 1920x1200=16:10 1920x1080=16:9

[toxic tulip]

exact*

i used to play 800x600 black bars

[finite elm]

using 4:3 makes peoples heads seem bigger, easier to hit.

16:10 gives a slight edge over 16:9 but looks better for streaming newer games like R6 siege. with CSGO 4x3 looks fine for streaming

[hollow thorn]

I play at 16:10 for siege, looks nice.

[burnt spear]

I've never played cs so I wouldn't know

I play val a lot tho

[toxic tulip]

so back to the cpu mobo combo, i think i will go with the 11400f and a b560 mobo

[burnt spear]

It's a good combo

[toxic tulip]

@burnt spear some pros play 4:3 too

[burnt spear]

I'd also reccomend 2x8 3200mhz cl16-3600mhz cl18 ram

Either or

[toxic tulip]

yeah like i said i will replace everything except the gpu this month

[finite elm]

try 4:3 Bacca, it'll get better

[burnt spear]

Eh, I play for fun

I might try it out sometime but I don't play competitively

[toxic tulip]

it's more fun when you hit more heads

[hollow thorn]

It can be fun being easier to see people

Doesn't look too bad

[burnt spear]

True

Currently play 19whatever 1080

[hollow thorn]

16:9 1920x1080

[finite elm]

at least think of switching to 16x10

[burnt spear]

I also have a 1440p monitor I use sometimes when I feel it but it's half the refresh rate

[toxic tulip]

i think my hs percentage went from 31% to like 56 % when i wasn't awping after i switched to 4:3

[vast meadow]

Doubt it, intel needs to make their z board more money

[hollow thorn]

Scout hs ratio is where it matters if anything tracks that :p

[finite elm]

Nah deagles

[vast meadow]

? Msi a pro is enough for a 12900k with a bit of airflow and it's 210$

[toxic tulip]

yeah i started using it a month a go more and it feels nice to get called a cheater

since i practice with it every day

[pastel monolith]

No body needs a $300+ mobo

[finite elm]

tell that to people on TRX40 ;P

[hollow thorn]

Unless your name is buildzoid or kinpin or ...

[toxic tulip]

or if you're financially free

[heady prism]

If I didn’t want a TEC the glacial MoBo looks nice 😁

[pastel monolith]

hence the "need" you can certainly buy one

[vast meadow]

Max anyone needs is the aorus pro and that's 330 for d5 280 for d4 lol

[heady prism]

Meh gigabyte

[hollow thorn]

Nah man they want white though

[finite elm]

Aorus Pro AX Z590 is 289.99(Got it in a bundle) and the CPU Imma put in it was 200$

[heady prism]

Hmmm toppercent doesn’t fit well with 5950x anymore 😁

[vast meadow]

Then get aero g for 280 :o

[vast meadow]

[hollow thorn]

They want wifi onboard though

[vast meadow]

Aero g has wifi

[heady prism]

Some brands > other brands

[hollow thorn]

They want 10gbit Ethernet port

[burnt spear]

Top you should sell your 5950x and by an i5-3470

Best cpu

Don't change your mobo too

[finite elm]

I still have the 5950x with the 3090.

[vast meadow]

Gigabyte make very good motherboards

[hollow thorn]

Asus bad

[heady prism]

They make ok MoBos

[vast meadow]

Fair, but cheaper to get expansion card for 10gb

[hollow thorn]

They want tb3

I'm just saying random requirements for fun by the point btw

[vast meadow]

Nope, great mostly

[vast meadow]

;-;

[finite elm]

their Mobo's and Monitors are at least A tier.

but as long as its not a PSU you should be pretty safe

Totally not a gigabyte shill with only Gigabyte GPU's, Mobos, and Monitors

[heady prism]

I’d only put a gigabyte in a budget build

They are just priced well that’s all

[burnt spear]

Gigabyte psus suck. Other than that they're good (ofc specific mobos suck, but you get what i mean)

Gigabyte has better than good prices

M27q

Good mobos

Gigabyte gaming oc pro is a decent aib, mid tier

[finite elm]

imma go full shill and get their AIO, SSD's and Ram.

[burnt spear]

Gigabyte has ssds?

[finite elm]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-1tb-aorus-gen4-7000s/p/N82E16820009022?Description=Gigabyte SSD&cm_re=Gigabyte_SSD-_-20-009-022-_-Product

eh get the long link

[toxic tulip]

umm is the stock cooler from the i5 11400f enough or do i have to get a better one?

[finite elm]

Does it come with one? o.O the 11600k didn't

I'd say no though even if it does. Intel stock coolers are garbo

[toxic tulip]

yeah it does

[heady prism]

Should be enough until you push OC and thermal throttle.

[toxic tulip]

any good 20$ $30 coolers?

[finite elm]

or if you're feeling funny you can get this one https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-1tb/p/N82E16820009011?Description=Gigabyte SSD&cm_re=Gigabyte_SSD-_-20-009-011-_-Product 😂

[burnt spear]

ID cooling se-224xt

[burnt spear]

How budget friendly

[pastel monolith]

must be good its got rgb

[toxic tulip]

@burnt spear what about the Cooler CPU Scythe Kotetsu Mark II SCKTT-2000 ?

[pastel monolith]

they make that tuf one that looks like Catepilar made it lol

[vast meadow]

That is foolish thinking just to be honest with you

[vast meadow]

Ehh gpus are meh but straight up not considering them is ignorant

[heady prism]

It’s an opinion. Just like your’s it only matters personally

[finite elm]

all of mine are above average with no OC so am happy

[vast meadow]

K cpus have never to my knowledge

[vast meadow]

If the case has good airflow, but if it fits in budget a gammaxx 400/gte or id cooling se 224xt or vetroo v5

[vast meadow]

Can't oc a non k intel cpu btw

[toxic tulip]

the case i plan to buy is the ALPHAGEAR Sentinel ARGB

[vast meadow]

I mean you can avoid them id you wish but saying they're only good for budget just isn't it

[heady prism]

Missed that.

[vast meadow]

Can you send a pic?

[vast meadow]

Also need a z board for it too

[heady prism]

Like I said my opinion is if I’m looking for high end I wouldn’t consider gigabyte

[finite elm]

What mobos would you get for a high end PC then? Rog Strix? Asrock Taichi?

[vast meadow]

Ehh should be okay, but if you can fit in your budget try get a gammaxx 400/gte

[heady prism]

No such thing as mid end, budget or go big

[vast meadow]

Tbf taichi is good pricing in some regions lol and at least had a unique look with very nice features

[vast meadow]

What lol

[heady prism]

Mid-end just sounds unfinished/halfassed

[vast meadow]

10100 no gpu or 3090 are the only options for this guy apparently

[toxic tulip]

yeah i can do that

[finite elm]

I have one. b550 Taichi, thats in my gaming PC.

[pastel monolith]

priorities... lol

[heady prism]

3090 is a waste of money for gaming so I wouldn’t consider that top

Budget for gaming would need a GPU…

[finite elm]

Nah, Igpu builds are good enough for gaming on budget. Ryzen 5 5600g is pretty good actually.

[heady prism]

5600x has iGPU?

[finite elm]

I fixed it

[toxic tulip]

are segotep psu good ?

[heady prism]

What can it play at what res&fps?

[finite elm]

GTAV 1080p 60fps

[heady prism]

Lol GTAV

[finite elm]

what more do you need?

[vast meadow]

Yeah, my friends considering getting one for their new build, think they're gonna wait for zen 3d and get that

[heady prism]

I remember playing that on my 6700k

[vast meadow]

Depends what for

[heady prism]

30fps though

[vast meadow]

5600g is about 1030 level

[finite elm]

The mobo looks great. I like the cogs

[vast meadow]

They look sick

Ngl

[toxic tulip]

for the i5 11400f b560 mobo and a gtx 750 ti 2gb

[heady prism]

GTAV came out in 2013 though

[finite elm]

Yeah? thats the example I used

[heady prism]

Modern titles just wont cut 1080p 60fps with iGPU

[vast meadow]

Also what segotep psu? Need to know the model

[finite elm]

We're talking low budget

[toxic tulip]

segotep GTR-550 550W

[finite elm]

CyberPunk 720p 52 FPS Avg

[heady prism]

Even low budget needs a standard

[vast meadow]

You'd be surprised what happens when you turn down to low

[finite elm]

then you've never built low budget 😂

[heady prism]

Sheesh people game like that?

Guess not

[finite elm]

Warzone Low 1080p dynamic, 60fps average

[vast meadow]

Can you send me the link can't find that model?

Also why not just reuse your psu from old build

[heady prism]

Really? 🤔

[vast meadow]

Not all people need to have the highest details or 1440p or want to spend that much money on a pc, because they have a budget :p

[finite elm]

Watching Benchmarks right now. The video has Warframe, FH4, Fortnite, Warzone, Valorant, Overwatch, GTA 5, Dirt 5, Cyberpunk, and streetfighter

[heady prism]

I’m going to research this now

[finite elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ktY12GiO18&ab_channel=ETAPRIME

this is with 4400mhz ram though btw

[heady prism]

I know someone who could use a iGPU build that can run warzone at 1080p

[toxic tulip]

@balmy cloak it's a romanian website idk if google will translate it https://www.pcgarage.ro/surse/segotep/gtr-550-550w/

[finite elm]

for a actual IGPU build not on a budget, I'd wait until AM5 for the RDNA 2 IGPU's

[heady prism]

I mean just a PC to get started and add GPU later

Like a 1060 6gb for $200 down the line

[vast meadow]

I'd avoid that, why not reuse the psu you have now tho?

[toxic tulip]

@vast meadow it's 400 w, and is from a older build

[pastel monolith]

who needs certifications just make some believable symbols on there and good to go

[toxic tulip]

huh didn't think of that

well i guess i can put in a bit more money

[vast meadow]

Yeah that's why I'd avoid lol

Not even 80+ white certified, bare minimum really

[cosmic matrix]

quick question: would a 3600 still be enough to not be cpu bound if I were to aquire a 3070 some day in the distant magical future where I can actually find one?

[pastel monolith]

no but it does 85% typical load? and has crooked arrow? and 10 with circles around it....LOL

[finite elm]

Depends on the game, but also Being CPU bound > GPU bound imo.

[cosmic matrix]

by > do you mean better or worse experience?

[finite elm]

Better

[cosmic matrix]

cool lol

[pastel monolith]

yeah much better like I am cpu bound with my 8700k/3090 but I wouldnt want it to be the other way around

[cosmic matrix]

i am very sollidly pegging out my 1070 on pretty much everything I play so we will see if I ever put out the dough for a 3070

[burnt spear]

What resolution

[pastel monolith]

4k mostly

[burnt spear]

Not the worst then

[finite elm]

with the 8700k I don't think the resolution matters lol

[burnt spear]

Less cpu bound at 4k than 1440p

I saw someone with a 10100 3090 build

[pastel monolith]

I keep meaning to replace the 8700k but I really won the silicon lottery on this one and likes being stable on all cores at 5.3ghz

[burnt spear]

Wow

My 3600 not going over 4.2 on stock:

Or pbo

[pastel monolith]

I did delid and lap it

[burnt spear]

Oh

Yeah I barely even know what lapping a cpu is

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-take-everything-you-have-please-cristine-raquel-rotenberg-simply-nailogical-ill-take-it-all-i-want-everything-gif-18222480

[pastel monolith]

sand the top so its flat

[burnt spear]

Not gonna be doing that anytime soon

Yeah I knkw

I said I barely know what it is

[pastel monolith]

lol

[toxic tulip]

@vast meadow any 500w budget psu you know about?

[vast meadow]

If you're asking should you buy a 3600 in 2021, no, if you already have one that's fine, at 1440p not so much, at 1080p a bit yeah

But not a huge amount

Like you shouldn't worry bout it

[burnt spear]

I have a 3600 stock with a 3060 ti and hit 3060 ti limit before 3600

With a light oc or even pbo it'll be more than fine with a 3070

[vast meadow]

How much in ron?

[cosmic matrix]

I got one back shortly before the zen 3s dropped, it was only like $120 so I grabbed it

[burnt spear]

Great price

I haven't even seen a 3300x that cheap

[toxic tulip]

@vast meadow around 150 200

[vast meadow]

Okay

[cosmic matrix]

yeah, I got a b550 board so it can go zen 3 if I ever cough up the cash

[vast meadow]

Fair enough

[cosmic matrix]

then I bought the 1070 off a friend just before prices skyrocketed

[pastel monolith]

@toxic tulip https://www.pcgarage.ro/surse/seasonic/s12iii-500-80-plus-bronze-500w/

[burnt spear]

Aight I've had a question for a long time that I've never gotten a good answer for, and I feel like with how much I've learned is a pretty basic thing I should know

[cosmic matrix]

I've had the rig a bit over a year now, and I can tell that it is pretty low-end, but it isn't unusable.

[pastel monolith]

cheapest decent 500w surse I could find in romania

[burnt spear]

What's the difference between cores and threads, and what things do they handle differently

[toxic tulip]

TY

[pastel monolith]

@burnt spear cores are made up of threads and each thread can handle a individual task

[burnt spear]

Oh

So that's why 4c 6t can't exist?

Or 6c 8t?

[pastel monolith]

threads are virtual and cores are physical

[cosmic matrix]

i mean yes, you could theoretically have a weird hybrid cpu (maybe the new Intel chips?) that have some cores that run dual threads and some that only do single threads.

then you could have 6c 8t

or whatever other combination

[pastel monolith]

yeah usually mutli threading allows multiple cores to use the same thread

that new epyc zen 4 thing is like 128 cores and 256 threads

and some day pc games will find a way to usefully make use of more than 2 cores

[finite elm]

There are a lot of games that use more than 2 cores though

[pastel monolith]

I said usefully

[finite elm]

ah thats fair

[pastel monolith]

there are some RTS games that do a decent job using 4 cores but they are few and far between

[toxic tulip]

i have a question, if i have a b560 mobo and a gtx 750 ti do i need a display port adaptor for my 240hz monitor?

[pastel monolith]

not for any good reason

that 750ti is not going to be displaying 240fps very often

[covert meadow]

I have a question about the g skill trident neo 4000mhz ram. i dont see many people using it with intel cpus. I have a motherboard that supports it. z590 aorus elite ax and a 10th gen i9. is this ram good for my set up?

[finite elm]

is your 750 ti currently plugged into your 240hz monitor?

[toxic tulip]

on cs go

[pastel monolith]

it is true for CSGO by true i mean he could easily get 240fps in that game

[toxic tulip]

on 960p

[finite elm]

He plays at 960p

[toxic tulip]

rn with a i3 4170 i can hit 120 fps average

with a 11400f i think it will hit 300 fps easily

[pastel monolith]

whats dvi top at 144hz?

[toxic tulip]

pardon?

[pastel monolith]

I feel like even with an adapter you will be limited to the port you are adapting

like if the 750ti has an hdmi port than an adapter to DP would be fine but I dont think adapting a DVI to DP will allow you to display 240hz

[toxic tulip]

pffff

[pastel monolith]

but you should be able to do 144hz on the DVI

[toxic tulip]

i can run 144hz rn

with hdmi

[pastel monolith]

oh well yeah if you have hdmi adapt it to DP

[toxic tulip]

so i should buy a adaptor right?

[finite elm]

Hdmi 1.4 maxes 1080p to 120hz. so I wonder how 960p would be effected by that

[pastel monolith]

see that gets weird because the hdmi 1.4 has enough bandwidth so it might work once you adapter to DP you wont be carrying an audio signal anymore

and the adapter is what like $7

so not a huge loss if it doesnt

[toxic tulip]

wait what

i thought it would be like 30 50

i swear i'm so stupid i need a brain transplant

[pastel monolith]

no should be like $6.99 in the USA

also if you have friends that also pc game they might have one as most gpus ship with a couple like I have tons of them laying around

[toxic tulip]

hmm

[vast meadow]

Yeah i got distracted by irl things thanks for taking over lol

[pastel monolith]

no problem

[covert meadow]

I have a question about the g skill trident neo 4000mhz ram. i dont see many people using it with intel cpus. I have a motherboard that supports it. z590 aorus elite ax and a 10th gen i9. is this ram good for my set up?

[vast meadow]

Do you want to manually oc your ram, rgb, what capacity?

[covert meadow]

no idea what you just said lol. I currently have 16 gigs of 3200mhz and would like something faster. most likely 16 gigs

for gaming and streaming

[vast meadow]

What resolution you play and what gpu do you want?

And what games?

[covert meadow]

i have a 3080, Halo infinite, warzone, guardians of the galaxy

1080-2k

[vast meadow]

Fyi you wont see a huge difference in performance by upgrading speed for the amount of money you'll spend, not really worth it unless you want to manually overclock your ram

If you think your ram is running slow atm, just make sure you have xmp enabled so it's not running at 2133mhz instead of 3200mhz

[hollow thorn]

Some testing to look at here
https://kingfaris.co.uk/blog/intel-ram-oc-impact/sottr

[covert meadow]

yeah i have xmp running atm. I dont think its slow but I was just looking ay upgrading something because of extra $. would it just be better to get another 16 gigs maybe?

[hollow thorn]

Remember that memory runs at the speed of the slowest stick

[vast meadow]

For majority of people would take more advantage of 32gb of ram tbh

[covert meadow]

my slowest is 39 and i think the neo is 42

ok so adding another 16 gigs it is then 🙂

[vast meadow]

Sorry what?

[covert meadow]

for the timings

oops i read his comment wrong

i saw tick but it was stick

[vast meadow]

Ahh the last timing, well if you're not buying a 2x16gb kit, get the exact same kit you have atm

[hollow thorn]

For tRAS or like

Frequency and timings both matter

3200 16-16-16-36 is better than 3200 16-19-19-39, and 4000 16-16-16-36 is better than 3200 16-16-16-36

[covert meadow]

ok

ty so much for all the help yall

[vast meadow]

Np

[pastel monolith]

but is 4266 at 17 18 18 38 better than 4000 16 16 16 36

I dont see a real world difference between the 2 but I rock the 4266 at worse timings because i can lol

[toxic tulip]

@pastel monolith hey about hdmi to dp adaptors, which one should i get ?

[pastel monolith]

the cheapest one I dont really see quality or brand making much of a difference

[toxic tulip]

@pastel monolith do you think this will do? https://www.emag.ro/convertor-de-la-displayport-la-hdmi-4k-ultra-hd-negru-dphdmi/pd/DQCBMDMBM/?cmpid=86996&gclid=CjwKCAiA7dKMBhBCEiwAO_crFP-pDBZP0eaX8YNtTK1JoGTRhF74N5fK4dyuTUWy8NSJE7vaUzL-DhoCPjIQAvD_BwE

[hollow thorn]

For something like that, you gotta test it yourself

[pastel monolith]

@toxic tulip looks good to me

[toxic tulip]

aight i'll get this one then

ez 240 hz gaming boi

[hollow thorn]

And yea HDMI and DP converters don't matter that much

But keep in mind, you can't make bandwidth appear out of thin air

[pastel monolith]

yeah I dont see much difference in memtest86

[hollow thorn]

If hdmi 1.4 only supports 1080p144hz, a converter that does HDMI 1.4 to DP 1.4 won't let you use 1080p240hz

[hollow thorn]

I mean a benchmark like Geekbench 3

[toxic tulip]

i play 960 p

[vast meadow]

Use something like ycruncher, that's a stability test

[pastel monolith]

yeah he does 960p so i have no idea what will happen

[toxic tulip]

if not 5 bucks won't matter at least i will have constant fps for 144hz

[hollow thorn]

Can't make bandwidth appear out of nowhere, that's all I can say

If it isn't supported now, I don't really think it'll be supported later

[pastel monolith]

yeah i used ycruncher to get to stable at these timings

[hollow thorn]

Gb3 would give you a score for the performance

[vast meadow]

No like i mean, memtest86 is a memory test like, ycruncher is actually a memory benchmark basically

[pastel monolith]

I know but I dont get anymore digits within margin of error between the two speeds

maybe im not doing it right...

I remember reading some stuff about parallel performance and being like huh I dont really know what that means lol

[vast meadow]

Hmm probably means they're about equal lol

[pastel monolith]

yeah thats what i figured

[toxic tulip]

hope it will work out

[pastel monolith]

maybe I should try Gb3 and see if there is a difference as @hollow thorn suggested

@toxic tulip I think it might squeeze a few more frames out

[hollow thorn]

Yea gb3 memory score should be useful

[toxic tulip]

i mean i want to know if it can unlock 240hz

the fps is not a question from what i saw from benchmark videos

[vast meadow]

Ycrucher should show diff tho

[vast meadow]

Only if you have a 240hz monitor

[toxic tulip]

i do

[pastel monolith]

well yeah its the signal from the port limiting you

and no matter what that port is always the weak link in the chain although I feel bad calling hdmi 1.4 a weak link when the other link is a 750ti...LOL

[toxic tulip]

yup..

but i won't sell a kidney for a gpu that supports it

[pastel monolith]

the adapter is like connecting a larger pipe to a small pipe the small pipe is still there

[toxic tulip]

yup

[pastel monolith]

however hdmi can be weird and part of that pipe is carrying an audio signal and maybe it will use some of that for the video if it realizes its in a dp port im not sure

[toxic tulip]

well at least the adapter won't cost 50$ like i thought

[vast meadow]

Nah they're like 10 lol

[toxic tulip]

they one i showed @pastel monolith is 5$

[pastel monolith]

yep thats about right

[toxic tulip]

but i didn't knew about the prices

[restive minnow]

Ok, so DDR5 came back in stock and disappeared inside of 5 minutes, and no notification from the Newegg site or app. It's absolutely one I had set. What's the best way to catch one of these in stock split seconds so I can get some memory to finish my build?! This is getting really frustrating

[restive minnow]

@bold solar @eager pagoda @glad socket -- any ideas? I'm at a full stop on a build, all parts from NewEgg, and it's dead in the water until I find RAM.

[wintry girder]

I don't think I've ever seen the Newegg staff talk

[vernal cosmos]

Sir I dont know whether uve noticed, but we have been in a global silicon shortage for over a year now

[wintry girder]

Like seeing them in chat is like a bigfoot sighting

[vernal cosmos]

Newegg cant do much about it

Because they dont manufacture silicon

Or ram

DDR5 is seeing massive shortages too

Pinging people who work at newegg unecessarily isnt gonna achieve a thing

[wintry girder]

Every pc part that requires a chip is affected

[vernal cosmos]

U just have to be lucky

[eager pagoda]

sorry frens I don't deal with inventory and stock :c

[vernal cosmos]

Even if u did you can only stock what brands send you and the shortage means brands arent sending you enough for everyone

[restive minnow]

It's not the shortage I'm taking about -- it's the complete and total lack of notification via the app / email when you select "Notify me" on the website

I know there's a shortage. That's not the problem

Right now I'm having to constantly hover Reddit to try to catch when some other rando posts that there's RAM available. That's hardly optimal

[eager pagoda]

o okie, this i can help with let me talk with the tech team

[restive minnow]

Thanks. I appreciate it.

DM me if you need anything specific and I'm happy to provide.

[eager pagoda]

can u gimme link to product

[restive minnow]

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007611 601396890

All of those

[pearl hare]

Did trident ddr5 ram go in stock

[restive minnow]

not that I saw. Kingston for about 4 minutes

[pearl hare]

Ok. Do you know when the last restock for the trident was?

[restive minnow]

Heh, see above. No. I really, really don't.

[pearl hare]

Thanks

[restive minnow]

God I hate these people....

[shy wyvern]

Zoom is considered a ecore/background task, that's interesting.

[pearl hare]

I just want to be able to finish my 12900k build

[shy wyvern]

I'm surprised you're going for DDR5, going for more of a long term performance?

Most people I've seen wanting more performance are going with things like ddr4 4800 kits

[pearl hare]

Yes and I just want mess around with it.

[shy wyvern]

That's fair

I went for more practical

$280+ for a good kit of ddr5 is absurd

I'm going to buy a $60 kit of ddr4 4400 cl19 for my 12600k

[pearl hare]

That’s about what I spent for the trident neo I bought. I only want the Trident DDR5

[shy wyvern]

I'm currently on 3000 cl16

[shy wyvern]

How much does the trident 6600 cl36 go for?

[pearl hare]

I think $329 or $349

[restive minnow]

Same....same

[shy wyvern]

Is that for 16 or 32?

[shy wyvern]

You've been looking forever, still haven't found it?

[restive minnow]

Not unless I want to deal with the parasites at eBay, no.

[shy wyvern]

I'm happy I went with ddr4

the ddr5 situtation is absurd

I did the "I'll wait" with upgrading my 2060, I'm not going to do that with the cpu too

Still haven't found an msrp founders edition 3060ti/3070 lol

[finite sedge]

Where do you even find the 6600 ?

[restive minnow]

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/

[shy wyvern]

I just blew my 3070 budget on a 12600k so I'mma need a month lol

So I updated windows 11 and they improved the scheduler. A lot.

I'm watching youtube and stuff

and it's pulling under 25 watts. Using pretty much ecore only. Youtube + discord

This could be great for laptops

oh and installing a game

so it's not like I'm hitting it with nothing either

Nevermind they broke it

they actually broke the scheduler

Minecraft won't use PCores

[hollow thorn]

Rip

[shy wyvern]

how do I fix this

this is bad

this is annoying the hell out of me

look at that

it's legit not touching my pcores

I'm always locked 165 fps with this game .-.

oh I fixed it

I just closed out of minecraft and reopened

and it switched to my pcore

using half of core 5

so that's good

[restive minnow]

seems like some optimization might be in order for the Minecraft folks.

[grizzled bloom]

Thread director, you can bind the exe to p-cores

It'll be a useful tool for you until more programs get updated to be aware of the new architecture

[vast meadow]

Yooo who stole all asrock z690s usb ports 😭

[shy wyvern]

is there none on the board?

[vast meadow]

5 on the taichi

[finite elm]

My b550 Taichi only has 6 I think.

[vast meadow]

There's 5 on a board that costs 300$ more

[finite elm]

Z690 Taichi is 600$?

[vast meadow]

Ish

[finite elm]

gross

[vast meadow]

589

[finite elm]

disgusting

[vast meadow]

Sorry there's 6 usb ports

5 on the 300$ board or something

More on the riptide, a 200$ board lol

[shy wyvern]

My $200 z690 has 8

7 USBA 1 USBC

[dim cloak]

I need more than 8 usb ports rip

[grizzled bloom]

Hubs exist

Split the C into like 6 ports

[dim cloak]

I use both c ports

[misty obsidian]

is newegg trolling

or are those the prices

this can't not be a joke

[grizzled bloom]

The first one is probably right, but the second looks like third party scalper

No way a set without even a heat spreader is $1k

[restive minnow]

Just report em @misty obsidian -- that's absolutely against TOS

[midnight pollen]

seems minecraft often has problems with that kinda stuff, i know there was always a problem with optimus setting the igpu instead of dgpu in laptops i guess now with alder lakes its setting ecores lol

you can report 3rd party sellers if you believe they are massively overpricing items #general-chat message

[winged peak]

I ordered this PC today, and was hoping to add another 16 GB of memory to it once it arrives. Can anyone tell me exactly what memory sticks I need to match what will be inside the case already. There are several of the listed memory sticks on the NewEgg site.
Thank you. https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali552/p/N82E16883360182?Description=G.Skill TridentZ RGB 16GB DDR4 3200MHz (2x8GB)&cm_re=G.Skill_TridentZ RGB 16GB DDR4 3200MHz (2x8GB)-_-83-360-182-_-Product Thank you.

[cursive epoch]

says trident z

so should be that

but check your latency first with cpu-z once the pc arrives

but i think it should be 3200c16 kit

[winged peak]

There are several matching kits on NewEgg, so not sure what to match it with.

[cursive epoch]

as long as specs match

it should be the one

like other timings if you dig deep enough

[naive pendant]

sheeesh

[narrow jackal]

Hello I am wondering about the i7 4790k . I have built a few computers and a friend asked me to build one , but I can't find parts so the option is used . I found a well built computer with an aio and ROG strix GTX 1070, 16gb ram and i7 4970k for $1100 . Is this viable all the other options on used market and prebuilts are not great right now.

He doesn't play flight simulators or any heavy games and doesn't mine or do productivity mostly for valorant, Minecraft and rdr2

[cursive epoch]

nope

i can find a much better prebuilt for ya

gimme a sec and i'll get to it

https://www.newegg.com/abs-computer-technologies-ali416/p/N82E16883102994

same price, 10400f and 2060

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali564/p/N82E16883360194

or add some more and you get 3060

sale ending in 3 hours

[shy wyvern]

Okay the windows 11 thread scheduler is actually trash

I keep getting stuck in ecore only mode

I'm trying to play minecraft and this keeps happening

[grizzled bloom]

I'm telling you, thread director until it gets updated

[shy wyvern]

yeah

but it's for everything

I'll be honest though I was doing a lot of school work and watching videos and such

on the ecores and didn't even notice my pcores were turned off by the scheduler

so it's not the programs that're the issue it's the fact it keeps getting stuck in the efficiency mode and needs a restart

when I restart the machine it starts using all cores again

being an early adopter is interesting

Holy crap I didn't realize people had made 2666 ddr3

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, and it's just as hard to run as DDR4 5400

[shy wyvern]

Yeah I was thinking about how that would be about equivalent to ddr4 5200ish

which is absolutely absurd

can those memory controllers even handle that without going B O O M ? ?

[grizzled bloom]

Well, ideally you'll want as late gen as possible for Intel ddr3 when the controller is better

[shy wyvern]

I put in an offer for $65 for that patriot 16gb 4400 cl19 kit

[slender wyvern]

anyone build a z690?

[vast meadow]

They oloy pricing is legit, 2nd is scalper

[shy wyvern]

I did

I'm excited, if I win my bid for my ram on eBay I'mma get a 50% speed increase for a 3 cas latency penalty

I think that'll be pretty decent

4400 cl19

Holy crap, ddr4 2133 4GB sticks are going for $10-15 a pop on eBay. That'd be great with a 10100 for a media consumption TV PC or like a Minecraft server or even office work. You could have 8GB of ram for $20-30

[vast meadow]

I mean you can buy a new kit of 16gb 3200cl16 for 50$

Soo

[shy wyvern]

Yeah, I know. But for budget budget builds it's pretty great

Like I just saw a 2x4 2133 kit for $25 and free shipping. Can't beat pricing like that

[hasty isle]

Does ASRock motherboard have warranty? If yes, how many years?

[grizzled bloom]

Which one specifically?

They all have a warranty but the length varies

[hasty isle]

B550 Extreme4

[grizzled bloom]

3 years

[hasty isle]

Thanks!!!

[warm bolt]

Why did newegg get rid of the T-Force 6600 ddr5?

[cursive epoch]

Out of stock maybe

[bleak loom]

wouldn't they just label it as out of stock?

[cursive epoch]

Or a scalper listing

[hollow thorn]

They would take it off if there's high demand and they don't have a shipment incoming

[cursive epoch]

Or that

[warm bolt]

It was on preorder a few days ago. I know bc I saw someone post it on twitter with preorder and saw after as OOS.

[cursive epoch]

the preorders have been filled up then

[hollow thorn]

It's also possible the preorder orders have exceeded the number of kits they're getting for the first shipment

[bleak loom]

yeah

probably

[cursive epoch]

the demand for ddr5 is crazy rn

many people wants it

[bleak loom]

I just have a cheap laptop

but I am building/upgrading a computer this december

[warm bolt]

I wish places like best buy would do something where you have to show your ID at a physical location to have a gpu reserved for next shipment so cards would at least go to real people first before scalpers or miners.

[bleak loom]

yeah

[warm bolt]

GPU and ram

Well and CPUs now since miners are using those.

[hollow thorn]

Microcenter does do that nowadays iirc

[bleak loom]

If prices were normal I could build the pc specs I would like for a fraction of the price

[hollow thorn]

I don't think anything is that profitable on CPU lol

[warm bolt]

Nearest microcenter for me is 3.5 hours.

In any direction.

[bleak loom]

my nearest is like half an hour, I have only gone twice

[hollow thorn]

And well, in-store bestbuy drops are just whoever gets their first gets one

[warm bolt]

I'm like smack in the middle of 3 microcenters each 3.5 hours to my north, east, and south.

[hollow thorn]

not that bestbuy gets many GPUs anyways

[bleak loom]

my local microcenter finally restocked with gpus, but the only one that I could afford for my build would be a 1650

and they are not that high in price

on $280

[hollow thorn]

1650 for 280$... quite overpriced considering what they were a year ago

[bleak loom]

yeah

[warm bolt]

I called best buy last night and they said they had one 3070 in store in the store 1.5 hours away but couldn't reserve that item.

[hollow thorn]

1650 super used to be like 170$

[bleak loom]

but they were like 370 not to long ago

[hollow thorn]

3060 MSRP is around 330$

[warm bolt]

I would have drove right that minute if they reserved it for me.

[bleak loom]

I wish scalpers would just stop existing

[hollow thorn]

They just can't reserve things, and I'd say that's good

[bleak loom]

no 3060s are like 600 something

[hollow thorn]

If you can reserve it, scalpers can also reserve it, but having it in-store forces people to actually be there

[warm bolt]

I was trying to figure out how to write myself a bot just to get myself one gpu and not have to constantly check but my python isn't good enough rn. I'm a beginner-soft intermediate in software development.

[hollow thorn]

MSRP is 330$, AIB tends to be around 400$

Stock checking discords are pretty neat

[warm bolt]

I've been watching stock streams.

[hollow thorn]

I've gotten a good number of chances to buy a GPU from stock checking discords, but haven't had a use for a new GPU yet

[warm bolt]

I used to follow stock instagram pages for gym equipment with notis on but haven't seen any insta pages for gpus.

[hollow thorn]

Generally amazon restocks get sold out almost instantly, but if there's others, you might be able to get one

[warm bolt]

Yeah that's what I have been seeing.

[hollow thorn]

I use discord a lot, so I can see the notifications within seconds and have a good chance at it if I do want the GPU

[warm bolt]

3080 FE isn’t non LHR right?

[hollow thorn]

It might be

[warm bolt]

Just 3070 FE

[hollow thorn]

I believe both FE's are non-LHR

[warm bolt]

Hmm is that somewhere easily found in the settings?

[hollow thorn]

No?

but you can tell as soon as you run any miner tbh

[warm bolt]

Didn’t think so.

Never mined. Was just going to try mining back the money for the card if it was non LHR.

[hollow thorn]

If you can't beat them, join them

:p

Nothing wrong with mining though

[bleak loom]

the cheapest price for a gtx 1050ti through pc part picker is $290

[hollow thorn]

because pcpp takes scalper prices when normal prices are sold out

[pastel monolith]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-gtx-1050-ti-4gt-oc/p/N82E16814137055?

shellshocker today

[hollow thorn]

A fun example: PCPP says 600$
Corsair says 200$
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/rmi-series-config/p/CP-9020084-NA

[indigo rune]

Does anyone know how I can tell if https://www.newegg.com/hp-z-series-z240/p/1VK-001E-2XTA6?Item=9SIAZ8YF1U7693 has M.2 NVMe 2280 support? If I search the mobo chipset some have it some don't.

[rocky beacon]

You could use a low profile PCIe card for M.2

[vast meadow]

I'd just get a sata drive instead

[indigo rune]

It's more about being able to recover what's on an existing m.2 @vast meadow

[vast meadow]

Ohh

[indigo rune]

I guess I can do that if it show's up and happens to not support it >.<

[rocky beacon]

It should have a M.2 slot but you need a standoff and screw to mount it properly

because it hangs off the motherboard for some reason

[indigo rune]

I had another PC with that same issue

[rocky beacon]

pretty much any HP system with a M.2 has it hang off the motherboard for some reason

[indigo rune]

No cap I used tape...

It's just a temporary PC while my main is repaired

[rocky beacon]

Ah

[indigo rune]

IF it can be

Thanks for the help guys

[vast meadow]

Whyyy

[rocky beacon]

To save space on the motherboard for other stuff?!?

[indigo rune]

It's just a weird thing about how the hold-down isn't there

[rocky beacon]

Idk its odd

[indigo rune]

Yeah it's cost saving, literally all it is

[rocky beacon]

Pretty sure they use normal M.2 standoffs but obviously no one has them spare laying around usually

Even most people who build computers regularly because they always come pre installed or at least in motherboard boxes

[indigo rune]

I'm weird and I have tons of that kind of stuff laying around now lol

I'm also going to cut a hole in the case so that my 3070 fits...

It's gonna be jank

[indigo rune]

Lol, so bad

One day when 300tb m.2 's are 0.5 inches long that'll be normal tho

[vast meadow]

Bruh

[pastel monolith]

I approve glad they put the standoffs there even if they had to put them on the chassis

[vast meadow]

Why tho?

[pastel monolith]

boards crowded...

[rocky beacon]

Cheaper to just throw it on like that rather then redesign the board

[vast meadow]

Ahh i misread

Thought you meant you're glad it's on the chasis

[pastel monolith]

lol no just glad they didnt leave them off entirely

[vast meadow]

Yeye

[pastel monolith]

mobo designer bad job, laptop designer good job making do with what you had

[vast meadow]

Yeah

[toxic tulip]

do i need a b560 mobo for a i5 11400f?or i could get away with a cheaper one instead

@pastel monolith

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

B560 or h570

Technically h510 would work but that locks ram to 2666 which not good

[finite elm]

puts a 11900k on a h510

[toxic tulip]

ffs

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-16757454

[vast meadow]

Check if 10400 is cheaper, if so should give you enough money to go 10400 and b560

[toxic tulip]

but how much better is the 11400f?

wait a second

will this model do? MSI B560M PRO-E

[toxic tulip]

for 30$ more i think 11400f will do

but will the MSI B560M PRO-E be enough?

it's like 90 $

[vast meadow]

Ehhh is there any for not to much more with a heatsink?

[toxic tulip]

i'll check

but i'm not planning to oc

ASUS PRIME B560M-K 10$ more

[vast meadow]

Meh, can you send me a few sites maybe? I can have a look for you?

[shy wyvern]

Why is it so hard to find used ddr4 4400+ kits without RGB

[vast meadow]

32gb? And like cl17?

[shy wyvern]

I'd be fine with even cl19 and 16GB

I'm just looking for around $70-100 for 16GB used

I've found several listings in that price range but it's all like trident or ballistix RGB memory

I think those memory kits look ugly as hecc

I want a dark colored ram kit that won't pop out

Something that'd match the dark and muted aesthetic, you know?

Lights on a PC are a pet peeve of mine

[vast meadow]

Closest thing i can find https://www.newegg.com/oloy-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821411

[toxic tulip]

https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baza/

[pastel monolith]

just wait a year once ddr5 is in full swing thats realistic

[toxic tulip]

@vast meadow https://www.emag.ro/search/placi_baza/filter/cpu-socket-f6,1200-v30043/placi/c?ref=lst_leftbar_6_30043

the MSI B560M PRO-VDH is it any good?

[pastel monolith]

I dont see any problems with it. Some people make fun of the looks I think it looks nice and understated

heatsinks are a little chonky

[toxic tulip]

welp it's the only one i can fit in with the 11400f atm

i won't OC

[pastel monolith]

you could oc if you wanted with that board

I would assume those giant heatsinks over the vrms have to do something lol

[toxic tulip]

i wonder how much will it improve my performance

[pastel monolith]

not much mobos usually dont

[grizzled bloom]

Pro vdh is a decent enough no frills board

[devout moth]

Baiter#8223 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[pastel monolith]

lol

[toxic tulip]

i don't need expensive crap

to play cs go

[pastel monolith]

true

[grizzled bloom]

Finally, someone that understands that

Too many people trying to get 11900k and 3080 to play cs:go

[toxic tulip]

bruh

i want to play with a 11400f and a 750 ti

on low res

with a adapter i can do 240hz but idk how will it differ with one from another gpu

[pastel monolith]

Plus I don't believe in the VRM gods. Rocking a Gigabyte z370 hd3p (F tier vrms) with a 8700k OC-ed to 5.3 on all cores stable as a rock

[vast meadow]

Yes

[toxic tulip]

do you think there will be any difference with a adapter rather then without one? like for a gpu that supports 1.4 dp?

[grizzled bloom]

I don't think the 750 ti supports 240Hz at all, no adapter will change that

[toxic tulip]

well a good adapter is like 5$ so i think it's worth trying

[vast meadow]

@toxic tulip
https://www.emag.ro/placa-de-baza-msi-socket-1200-mag-b560m-bazooka/pd/DC60W0MBM/?X-Search-Id=5fa7e8ba2ef815901b90&X-Product-Id=74144136&X-Search-Page=3&X-Search-Position=4&X-Section=search&X-MB=0&X-Search-Action=view

[grizzled bloom]

If your model doesn't have displayport the max it can output is 120Hz

[vast meadow]

Same price as pro vdh

[vast meadow]

Well you can't lol

[toxic tulip]

@vast meadow rly?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, Intel has the overclocking tax. You have to pay extra for K processor and Z motherboard to overclock CPU. At least B560 lets you do memory.

[toxic tulip]

those motherfu...

[vast meadow]

Yep

[toxic tulip]

whoever had that idea i hope they grow balls on their feet and only be allowed to drive the car from flintstone

[grizzled bloom]

AMD is the polar opposite, you can overclock on any board as low as A320 (for Ryzen)

[vast meadow]

A320 is mem oc i think actually

[grizzled bloom]

Nope, you can do CPU

[toxic tulip]

how much is the difference between ryzen 3600 and 11400f?

in performance

[vast meadow]

Good bit

11400 better

[grizzled bloom]

11400 is slightly better, maybe 10%

[vast meadow]

Usually cheaper too xD

[shy wyvern]

I'm looking at used kits. I don't buy new memory. No point

All memory has life time warranties from what I've seen

[toxic tulip]

yeah it's 40$ cheaper than the 3600 here

[hasty isle]

Does amd already release ddr5 boards?

[shy wyvern]

They don't have a compatible chipset yet

[vast meadow]

Ohh I'm not looking at ebay lol

[grizzled bloom]

AMD hasn't even officially announced the AM5 boards yet

[shy wyvern]

^^^

[vast meadow]

In about 6 months or so

[hasty isle]

Ryzen gen5 still on ddr4 right and the last am4?

[grizzled bloom]

We'll see Zen 3 refresh before that, also not officially announced

[shy wyvern]

Everytime I've had used ram fail I've had it replaced by manufacturer. Especially G.Skill. they send it out stupid fast

[grizzled bloom]

Ryzen 5000 only supports DDR4

[shy wyvern]

Ryzen 6000 will only be ddr4 too, right?

[grizzled bloom]

6000 will be announced next year with AM5 and DDR5

[shy wyvern]

Will 6000 be am5?

They haven't officially announced it for AM5 have they?

[grizzled bloom]

Well unless they call the refresh 6000 but I don't see that happening

[shy wyvern]

I see that happening

[grizzled bloom]

No AM5 is still rumor status

[shy wyvern]

Intel did the same nonsense with coffeelake

Higher number = more sales

Even if there were literally 2-4% gains for the refresh LOL

[hasty isle]

Intel soaring high in this competition for releasing the ddr5 chipset

[grizzled bloom]

I'd see AMD doing a number at the end, like 5955X

[shy wyvern]

Ah like Intel did with 10th gen

Some CPUs got a 5

Like the 10105

[hasty isle]

Wait when did intel released the 11th gen again?

[grizzled bloom]

A year ago

[hasty isle]

Oh wow it feels a months ago

[shy wyvern]

They refreshed some 10th gen for 11th gen as well. Mostly i3/pentium/Celeron and the low power T variants

[grizzled bloom]

AMD would be foolish if they did XT naming like on 3000 series, you'd have a gpu with the same name as a cpu

[hasty isle]

True true

[shy wyvern]

"I have a 5700XT with a 5700XT"

[mystic inlet]

Suggestions for rgb ram for a 9900k? Have trident Z royal ( love them) but after adding so other rgb they stick out compared to the lighter pastel rgb all around them

[grizzled bloom]

*5600XT

[hasty isle]

Am I the only thinks that Ryzen XT series really aren't popular or a flop I guess?

[grizzled bloom]

There's no 5700X

[shy wyvern]

Oh yeah

[grizzled bloom]

XT was just AMD saying "look we can match Intel now"

[shy wyvern]

It's weird to me that there isn't

Funny that Intel was so far ahead at one point that AMD needed 4 generations to kick it's butt out of stagnation

14nm++++++++++ is no more

Now for 10nm+++++++

[hasty isle]

Tbh, when I bought my first pc, i really love to buy Intel parts but when I saw the upgrade path, welp, AMD wins

[grizzled bloom]

Considering how far behind AMD was and they had to start the new architecture from scratch, 4 gens isn't bad

[hasty isle]

Every release different chipsets

Ryzen 1st gen was the breakthrough to AMD I think?

Due to the high core and thread counts

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's why I've liked AMD too. I was able to use my Phenom II processor on a AM3+ board while I saved up for a FX 8300

[hasty isle]

For a better price point

[grizzled bloom]

AMD had no hyperthreaded cores before Ryzen (technically they did but not really)

It's the infinity fabric that was revolutionary

[vast meadow]

Tbf intel barely had ht before ryzen too lol

Forced to put it on all skews

[pastel monolith]

infinity fabric is a really cool idea

I like the P/E cores idea from intel too but would have liked to see a true hybrid x86/ARM cpu from them

[vast meadow]

How would that even work?

[pastel monolith]

I would like to see like 4 x86 cores that control millions of arm cores

[vast meadow]

Interesting

[pastel monolith]

someday Nvidia will finish buying ARM and we will see what they do with it

[vast meadow]

What's the logistics on that tho?

Like how would that even work, hybrid arch wise

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[grizzled bloom]

Wasn't their idea, ARM did it first

[pastel monolith]

oh well it would be completely revolutionary and work similar to the human brain using arm cpus as synapses. Just in the beginning it could only have millions instead trillions like the brain.

[grizzled bloom]

The only idea Intel had with the P/E core design was to put it on a desktop cpu

[pastel monolith]

well and apple released basically the same thing right before intel in the M1

although I am fairly certain intel makes a lot of the M1

I like both ideas I was just thinking bigger

[vast meadow]

4 p core 60 e core hedt when?

[pastel monolith]

and perhaps intel/amd wouldn't even need to make the ARM cpus as they are so simple to fabricate maybe they could come on the mobo

or you could add more in pcie slot lol

[grizzled bloom]

Don't they have Xeons that are basically that? Like 20 core processors that use the same power as higher clocked 8 cores?

[vast meadow]

No idea haven't kept up with xeons like ever lol

Names are hella stupid so cba learning lol

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah xeons are super weird. Like 16XX ones are better than 26XX ones but the 26XX have more cores...

[pastel monolith]

The 40-core Xeon 8380 is "only" $8,100, compared to the 28-core Xeon 8280 at $10,100

yeah I dont understand exactly how these work since the 8280 also has a lower TDP

its like so the one with less cores that uses less power is more expensive and out performs the one that uses more power and has more cores...

[grizzled bloom]

Yep that about sums it up lol

[pastel monolith]

yep I was also very confused and still am

at least if it was an nvidia product I could assume the larger numbered part was better (excluding the 1660 which was just bad naming)

[grizzled bloom]

16 series was just... why

I mean, I know why, they were scared of AMD catching up (which they did anyway)

But like... why

[pastel monolith]

good competition I'm glad AMD caught up they couldn't afford to be buried again

plus AMD got all that console money to help the R&D

[grizzled bloom]

Lisa Su really turned the company around. They were on the brink of bankruptcy and now they're duking it out with the leaders for the first time in like 15 years.

The real reason consoles went AMD is better power efficiency

[pastel monolith]

lets not pretend nvidia couldnt have done it though they make whats in the switch lol

Nvidia almost got xbox this time but AMDs offering was cheaper

and if I was Intel and AMD this would really worry me https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-cpu-for-giant-ai-and-high-performance-computing-workloads#

[hasty isle]

What's difference between epyc and threadripper in this new gen processors, I mean, both has a huge amount of cores and threads

Is threadripper solely for graphic designers and editors?

[pastel monolith]

threadripper can run a high single core clock and epyc cant

[grizzled bloom]

Threadripper has more PCIe lanes

[pastel monolith]

threadripper for gaming and (light)workstation loads, Epyc for server and workstation loads

[vast meadow]

ehh or tr for just budgetish workstation

like editing rigs etc

[hasty isle]

How nice to know that, really catches my eyes when I saw their prices

[finite elm]

5950x for gaming and light workstation loads

[celest patio]

Hey, is this the right place to get some help with a boot up problem on a new system?

[vast meadow]

Yeah, what's happening

[celest patio]

Getting a VGA led on bootup of an Asus Tuf x570 Plus (Wi-fi)+ 5600x + Asus Tuf RX5700XT and Corsair Vengeance Pro SL 2x16. Tried swapping the memory around, 1 stick, 2 sticks, A or B, tried both PCIE slots, still stuck on that vga led. No SSD installed yet, just trying to get to bios or bootable USB. I can confirm that the RX5700XT is in good order, been using it as an egpu for 12+ months

Thought maybe it's that 5600x + x570 issue, can't confirm it's not, but stuck on vga, not cpu

[vast meadow]

Ehh x570 plus or pro?

[celest patio]

plus

Wondering if maybe I don't have the pcie power cable hooked up right, been a long time, first 6+2 in the 8, then the 6 in the 6, then the 2 dangles, not sure if that makes sense

[vast meadow]

Yeah that's right

[celest patio]

After turning the power supply on, rx5700xt gets 2 white leds by the power cables (assuming this means both are powered correctly), after hitting the power button on the nr600 I get a pretty light show from all of my aura sync fans and cpu cooler, and stuck on that vga led

Unless anyone has other suggestions I'm just going to move those sticks around again, and stick the rx5700xt back in the egpu and verify it's running ok in that chasis otherwise can't think what else to try

[vast meadow]

Ehh I'd try reseating the gpu possibly

[celest patio]

Yeah, I tried both pcie slots, so it's been seated a few times, I didn't get in there close to see if anythings dirty, but switching back to the egpu I can double check

[vast meadow]

Hmm

Yeah try the egpu

[celest patio]

Thanks, appreciate bouncing that around

[vast meadow]

Sorry i was checking the manual if there was a multi colour led lol

[celest patio]

Multicolour on the vga boot led?

I admit it's really hard to see with all of the sparkly argbs around it

[shy wyvern]

If anyone is on the windows 11 beta and hasn't updated yet and have a 12th gen cpu, don't update and disenroll from the program. The beta currently has a bug that prevents pcores from being used sometimes.

I have confirmed it's the windows 11 beta that's causing this

I noticed I was lagging and look and I'm basically running off an i5 6400 .-.

If anyone else is running into this ecore only issue and is running the windows 11 beta:
Go into control Panel
Go into Hardware and Sound
Go into Power Options
Change your setting from Balanced to High Performance.

It fixed it for me

[dim cloak]

Crucial is a great reccomendation

[cyan raft]

But like why would you be on the windows 11 beta at this point?

[chilly fulcrum]

Hey guys can you help me? I built my first pc just about two weeks ago and today I come home from school and my pc is on with no display out (I mine with NiceHash while I’m not using it). I have tried all the basic stuff like swapping ram slots and using only one ram stick and revering the cmos. Still nothing. The computer turns on when I hit the power button and all the fans go immediately to 100% and when I hit the power button or reset button on my case, nothing happens. My keyboard rub also does not come on even when it is connected to the onboard usb. Can you please help me?

[shy wyvern]

Android support

[shy wyvern]

Try reseating your ram first

That should always be first step when dram light is on

Oh NVM I see you did that

So a dram + CPU error. Did you make sure your CPU power is in all the way?

[grizzled bloom]

It's possible there was a surge and the cpu died. You can test with another cpu, a dual core Athlon or something for $20.

[chilly fulcrum]

Already did and cpu and motherboard AND gpu plugs are all unplugged and repluged

[gentle acorn]

Didnt know where to ask this but can you use a PCIe card in a PCI slot?

[cursive epoch]

no

[gentle acorn]

Alright just realized i wouldnt of needed it anyways

Motherboard i was looking at already has built in wifi lol i was trying to figure out if i could plug mine in but it didnt have a slot

[hoary echo]

is it normal to get google running this hard

that's with only chrome open

[shy wyvern]

what are you watching/doing

what tab is open

[hoary echo]

i opened my school website

[shy wyvern]

Turn off hardware accleration then

because that rate of gpu usage on your integrated for a school website

seems abusrd

something seems wrong there

that's like watching a 4k 60 video on youtube

[hoary echo]

it was worse without acceleration

[shy wyvern]

I figured it was bugging out

tf is on your school website

[hoary echo]

idk just some moving thingos

[shy wyvern]

what extensions do you have on chrome?

[hoary echo]

grammarly

[shy wyvern]

that it?

[subtle crow]

Not sure if this applies, but schools devices typically have a ridiculous amount of spyware and various other pieces of software running that murder performance

Least in my case

[shy wyvern]

I think it's his personal laptop

because it has a 3060

if not let me know what school so I can "borrow" a few laptops

[subtle crow]

Lol, probably

Imagine an rtx 3060 on a school laptop

[shy wyvern]

which is weird because the uhd 630 shouldn't be taxed that much

the uhd 630 plays 4k 60fps youtube videos at 50-60% usage so idek

what is using all of his igpu like that

[subtle crow]

My uhd 530 doesn’t get above 15% for a web browser on my 15” 4k screen

[hoary echo]

it is lmao

i think the website is rendering the animation

instead of playing a video

because there is just random lines and stuff dancing around the screen

it actually crashed one of my friend's laptops

[warm bolt]

Ddr5 8gb single sticks in stock rn but imma practice patience and wait for 16gb and better sticks.

[vast meadow]

Single sticks for ddr5 whyy would they bother who needs 8gb of ddr5 😭

[warm bolt]

Could be a scummy reseller of a few sticks but considering the shipping says possibly 1-2 months im good lol.

Ddr5 will prolly be decently stocked by then.

[cyan raft]

Does the official windows 11 release not support android?

[vast meadow]

Not yet

[gentle acorn]

Which would be a better option for me to get? Gigabyte Z690 AERO G or MSI Z690 -A PRO? Im using DDR4

I dont mind having less PCIe slots only thing i used them for in my current build was a WiFi card but the AERO has its own built in WiFi and i use ethernet now anyways

[vast meadow]

I'd just get the z690 a pro wifi if you want built in wifi, the z690 a pro is good enough for a 12900k with some airflow

[gentle acorn]

Alright

[vast meadow]

Also if you want a more premium ddr4 mobo for the features/12900k might be better suiting https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pgKKHx/gigabyte-z690-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4

[gentle acorn]

Alright cool thanks

[vast meadow]

Np

[gentle acorn]

Also i was curious i noticed the motherboard comes with Norton(not that I’d use it…) but was curious is that like a free subscription or is it just an installation disc

[cursive epoch]

it's optional

like optional download on the site

[gentle acorn]

Ah alright

[cursive epoch]

or with dvd but no one barely includes dvds these days

[gentle acorn]

Yeah

The one said it comes with a OEM

[zenith knot]

External dvd player is the best

[gentle acorn]

I dont even have a disc drive if i even wanted to use it lmao

[zenith knot]

Lol

[gentle acorn]

I almost considered one but decided on not since they are dying out now

[zenith knot]

Did you get ur 2080S before stocks crashed luna?

[gentle acorn]

Yeah

[zenith knot]

good

[gentle acorn]

Got it in 2019