Task manager often does wrong %
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
vast meadow
vernal cosmos
Use hwinfo
vast meadow
Or msi afterburner
vernal cosmos
Yeah
vast meadow
Make sure that's not temps as well
oak sand
It's not temps are like 70 c all around
vast meadow
Ahh okay
severe pivot
last crash had cpu at 76C i flipped my liquid cooling to guarantee no air in the pipes, and i added thermal paste just to be sure.
vast meadow
76c on cpu is fine
severe pivot
ive already updated the drivers and uninstalled and reinstalled them for this gpu trying to fix the gpu error
but i still crashed. so ijust did this
i also went in bios and set the ram voltage to .001 higher than the default.
it was on auto, so i set it to manual
someone online had a similar issue and that fixed it for them
but it did not for me. i crashed again
also i had the HWinfo64 on my second monitor when i crashed, i turned off auto restart pc on crash, and on the monitor it did not say YES for any of the maximums for core thermal throttling or critical temp or power limit
Yeah that wasn't a solution either... Just crashed again in a league game... PC remains running but the screen goes black. I only hear audio for like a second tho.
vast meadow
Yeah that wasn't a solution either... Just crashed again in a league game... PC ...
download and run whocrashed
severe pivot
vast meadow
Ahh
vast meadow
Download ddu and go into safe mode
vast meadow
@severe pivot did you boot into safe mode first?
vast meadow
Yes
severe pivot
okay cleaned it out. my second monitor is just black now
should i just geforce experience install the drivers back?
brittle stirrup
what is uma frame buffer size?
vast meadow
should i just geforce experience install the drivers back?
Yeah, restart back into normal and geforece experience install
vast meadow
im doing it in regular pc mode
Yes once done with ddu you can stay in regular yeah
severe pivot
i did express install last time
this time im gonna do custom
to see if it helps for whatever reason
time to go limit test in game
shy wyvern
I have my 12600k and z690 a pro! I just need to request a lga 1700 mounting bracket from be quiet now
Anyone know how long that going to take to get in?
gentle acorn
Any idea if the 12th gen i5 or i7 would stay cool with a stock cooler or should i buy a liquid cooler for it?
Also would i be asking too early for the information seeing as its so new?
vast meadow
Anyone know how long that going to take to get in?
depends i guess
vast meadow
Any idea if the 12th gen i5 or i7 would stay cool with a stock cooler or should ...
k chips dont even come with stock coolers but lmao nooooooooooooooooooooo
rocky beacon
Any idea if the 12th gen i5 or i7 would stay cool with a stock cooler or should ...
Does the i7 even come with a stock cooler?
rocky beacon
Which is an older and cooler i5
gentle acorn
Yeah
vast meadow
Any idea if the 12th gen i5 or i7 would stay cool with a stock cooler or should ...
12600k you could get away with a peerless assasin 120
but id go with arctic liquid freezer ii/ek rgb/lian li galahad
gentle acorn
Does the liquid freezer support the bracket? That wouldve been what id go with
vast meadow
yep
gentle acorn
Alright cool
vast meadow
nvm peerless assasin doesnt have the new bracket yet :/
vast meadow
the cheapest id go for 12th gen cooling so far https://pcpartpicker.com/product/F3gzK8/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-4-505-cfm-cpu-cooler-bk022
vast meadow
Also would the i5 be good for light streaming?
your i5 you have right now is good for streaming
because you use your 2080 super
gentle acorn
I think I’ll still go with the liquid freezer
gentle acorn
Yeah i was wanting to upgrade though since i tend to stream games like COD which my computer does have some issues with when streaming
vast meadow
Yeah i was wanting to upgrade though since i tend to stream games like COD which...
but you do have nvenc as the encoder yeah?
gentle acorn
Yeah
vast meadow
then cpu doesnt matter lol
vast meadow
ye your 9400f is def bottlenecking your 2080 super a bit
vast meadow
for gaming and some streaming, not imo
gentle acorn
Alright I’ll just go with the i5 then thanks
vast meadow
yw
gentle acorn
I could definitely go with the i7 i just dont want to spend too much money on the upgrade lol
vast meadow
yeah id definitely go i5 then
gentle acorn
Thats $655 for the i5, a motherboard, and the liquid cooler
Yeah
I went with the MSI Z690 -A PRO that uses DDR4 memory
I have the Z390 version and liked it
vast meadow
I went with the MSI Z690 -A PRO that uses DDR4 memory
its nice board
gentle acorn
Yeah
I have 4x8GB DDR4 which is why i dont want to get DDR5 since thats a lot more as well…
shy wyvern
I have 4x8GB DDR4 which is why i dont want to get DDR5 since thats a lot more as...
I also went screw it, got the ddr4 version to transfer my 4x8gb of ram
vast meadow
that should be fine yeah
gentle acorn
Yeah
vast meadow
Micro center?
gentle acorn
Oof im not even getting $20 off XD
shy wyvern
Yep, microcenter denver
vast meadow
Ahh fair
limber dragon
damn, that's a cheap ass board
gentle acorn
Im not sure if I’ll buy from Microcenter or Newegg
shy wyvern
damn, that's a cheap ass board
It was $40 cheaper than on Newegg, best buy and Amazon
Pretty happy with it
gentle acorn
I might have to look at mine then
shy wyvern
$20 cheaper then $20 off because I bought CPU + mobo
vast meadow
damn, that's a cheap ass board
It's fine although gigab ud would be better yeah
shy wyvern
I already got things like the MSI thunderbolt card and stuff
gentle acorn
This is what I’ll be getting
shy wyvern
For my z370 a pro board
limber dragon
giga elite ddr4 would have been 👌
vast meadow
This is what I’ll be getting
I'd get gigabyte ud instead
gentle acorn
Also whats ud
vast meadow
giga elite ddr4 would have been 👌
Fits that a 300$ board
gentle acorn
Literally never heard the term before now lol
limber dragon
ultra durable, its like the tuf line for asus
vast meadow
Also whats ud
A board
shy wyvern
We're looking at sub $230 boards
gentle acorn
Alright
shy wyvern
Oh btw
Mines the wifi version of the board, doesn't really distinguish it on the receipt
Its $220 at the Denver microcenter
vast meadow
We're looking at sub $230 boards
Gigabyte ud ddr4 is 200, ddr5 is like 220
shy wyvern
Gigabyte ud ddr4 is 200, ddr5 is like 220
Not bad at all
Still the most expensive motherboard I've ever bought
My z370 a pro was $80
(refurbished from MSI)
gentle acorn
Mine was $120
shy wyvern
Waiting for my dark rock 4 lga 1700 mounting bracket is going to be torture
I have the CPU and ram ready
gentle acorn
So also most expensive for whatever i get lol
Im going to buy my motherbord and cooler first then buy the CPU last
gentle acorn
Mines $110
shy wyvern
Not buying a new one when I can wait a week for a mounting kit
gentle acorn
Would i need to get a bracket for the arctic cooler or does it already have one for it? I saw it saying that you need to contact suppurt
Support*
limber dragon
Still the most expensive motherboard I've ever bought
the more vrm, mem speed and pcie gen that marketing pushes, the more expensive boards are going to get
remember the pcie 4 price hike for x570?
gentle acorn
Its a 60 watt increase lol
shy wyvern
If I have 8x2 CPU, can I just use 8?
Like for CPU pins
I think I only have 8 pins
On my PSU
For CPU power
vast meadow
Would i need to get a bracket for the arctic cooler or does it already have one ...
Should support out of box now
shy wyvern
I can't really afford a new PSU
shy wyvern
Should support out of box now
If I just populate CPU power 1 will that be fine for a 12600k?
gentle acorn
So I just checked I’ll be fine about PSU power
shy wyvern
I'm trying to make sure we don't need 16 pin CPU power Luna lol
gentle acorn
Oh
shy wyvern
Look at the board
It has 16 pin CPU power but they're split into 2. 12600k shouldn't need both I don't think
gentle acorn
Isnt that only for overclocking though?
shy wyvern
I think it's for the power hungry 12900k
shy wyvern
And is it msi? Does it work with only 1 populated?
gentle acorn
It has one 6 slot only which is not populated
shy wyvern
I guess I've never used a board with more than 8 pins
gentle acorn
Though also my CPU isnt a K…
shy wyvern
Though also my CPU isnt a K…
My board supports 9900k with only 8 pins
gentle acorn
Interesting
shy wyvern
I love how all of us with 6 threads went "nope, new CPU time"
My 6c/t 8600k is feeling it. Especially for a code compile
At least it's running at 5.2ghz
gentle acorn
Also something that was kinda interesting was when i first built my PC i took it to microcenter to get my PC fixed after screwing it up and they said they had never seen the 6 pin connector before
shy wyvern
I have an MSI thunderbolt card and was worried the thunderbolt pins would be different
Yeah tbh I've never seen a 6 pin CPU connector before
Ive seen 4 though
gentle acorn
I dont know what id even use thunderbolt for
vast meadow
If I just populate CPU power 1 will that be fine for a 12600k?
Ye
shy wyvern
My old i5 6400 system (my sister has it now with a 2gb 1050) had only 4 pin CPU power
limber dragon
each 8 pin will handle ~400w, so unless your 12600k is going to be pulling 400w for extended periods of time, you wont need the 2nd 8 pin
gentle acorn
Its intended for overclocking
limber dragon
Wait the 12900k doesn't even pull that much
and now you're understanding marketing teams
shy wyvern
Can you even reach 400 on a 12900k without frying the thing??
gentle acorn
So if i were to not even use the power connector would it be fine if not overclocking?
shy wyvern
You can overclock a 12600k on 400 watts
vast meadow
Can you even reach 400 on a 12900k without frying the thing??
On 12900k probs
limber dragon
2 8 pins are better than 1 8 pin - Marketing department
shy wyvern
I was just worried since some cpus that only require 4 pins won't boot without 8
Was worries this was like thag
Like my i5 6400 is in a 4 pin motherboard
Which supports 200 watts apparently
But if I put it in an 8 pin I don't think it'll boot with only 4 pins
limber dragon
I was just worried since some cpus that only require 4 pins won't boot without 8
there's no pin detection on motherboards, so no idea why that would be a thing
gentle acorn
So if i were to not even use the power connector would it be fine if not overclo...
So would this be fine?
shy wyvern
You need some CPU power in at least
shy wyvern
I also have a 6500T system running an mc server 24/7 and it only has a 4 pin as well. But that cpu has max power pull of 35 watts
severe pivot
Yes once done with ddu you can stay in regular yeah
Did not seem to work. Continued crashes
gentle acorn
I’ll see
shy wyvern
How many pins is your motherboard power
gentle acorn
24 i think
gentle acorn
Wait would CPU power be 4 of those pins? I have 6 pins right next to the CPU which are not occupied
limber dragon
OEM boards like to hide power pins
shy wyvern
Can you show us a picture?
gentle acorn
Im not home atm and wont be till tomorrow
Its my dads day
And my PC is at my moms
shy wyvern
OEM boards like to hide power pins
Some OEM boards with OEM power supplies will have either 12 volt conversion or extra pins in the motherboard connector sometimes.
But yours seems to be standard board
gentle acorn
Mines a MSI Z390 -A PRO
limber dragon
Some OEM boards with OEM power supplies will have either 12 volt conversion or e...
yes I know, I see it quite often
shy wyvern
I've seen a 12 volt conversion on a Dell board
Literally has 10 pins going into board. No other power cables from PSU
The sata power came from ports on the motherboard
The GPU didn't need pcie power since it was 1650
And there was no CPU power
Really really weird system
limber dragon
most likely referencing gamers nexus video right? The 12vo systems I see also use 12v for the cd/dvd reader and other in case rgb
shy wyvern
Nah, my mom bought it as a birthday present for one of my cousins
The computer didn't work when we got it
The 10 pin was loose
I looked through it intrigued. Motherboard cables did sata power to the DVD drive and the HDD, didn't come from the PSU. No CPU power.
It was an i3 10100 system
limber dragon
the 12vo systems I've seen always had more than the "main" cable
shy wyvern
This one didn't. The other cables came from pinned headers on the motherboard
Like it has 2 sata power headers that you plug into the motherboard
hoary echo
Is having a CPU pinned at 95 degrees for 4 hours bad for it?
subtle crow
Is having a CPU pinned at 95 degrees for 4 hours bad for it?
Is it a laptop or desktop cpu?
limber dragon
if its not overclocked, its perfectly fine
it'll throttle clocks and voltage to remain safe
gentle acorn
I looked at my PSU it has a 4 pin connector not 6 pin for CPU power
shy wyvern
I looked at my PSU it has a 4 pin connector not 6 pin for CPU power
Ah, only 4 pin? Is it a 4+4 with only 4 plugged in?
vast meadow
No harm will happen to cpu if no oc, cuz throttle
gentle acorn
Sounds like just 4+4 pin
shy wyvern
Sounds like just 4+4 pin
Those two combine to become 8 pins, you'll be fine then
We you get your z690 board just plug it all into CPU power 1
gentle acorn
Alright
shy wyvern
You have an OEM system rn?
hoary echo
Is it a laptop or desktop cpu?
Laptop
gentle acorn
Nope i built mine
subtle crow
Laptop
I have a really hot laptop too
getting a laptop cooling pad stopped it from thermal throttling nearly as much
and I only got like a 15$ pad
the nicer ones are probably a lot more effective
vast meadow
Laptop
laptop cpus are desinged to run that hot, you could probably undervolt it a bit tho
subtle crow
I can't on my HP laptop either
I turned off turbo boost for awhile which from what I recall dropped the temps and power usage quite a bit
but eventually I decided performance was preferable over low temps
High recommend a laptop cooling pad
vast meadow
I wish I could undervolt it
Intel xtu? Throttlestop doesn't work?
vast meadow
Go it's 3am dummg
vast meadow
Goo
vernal cosmos
NVM im rekt I forgor a few chores
hoary echo
Intel xtu? Throttlestop doesn't work?
Nah, I have a h series CPU so I can't adjust voltages or clocks
vast meadow
Nah, I have a h series CPU so I can't adjust voltages or clocks
I don't think that's a h cpu thing
hoary echo
I have tried xtu, throttle stop, quickcpu
vast meadow
Shame
naive pendant
Hi. I'm new to this discord. Is this the section where I can get some help with upgrading some parts of my pc that are compatible with my current graphics card?
vast meadow
Hi. I'm new to this discord. Is this the section where I can get some help with ...
Sure, what's your budget and what do you have already?
pliant cypress
also got the HP bios though, that may be my problem
also intel disabled undervolting
naive pendant
Sure, what's your budget and what do you have already?
my budget is yet to be decided mainly because we are trying to upgrade my motherboard and processor. I currently have a GeForce RTX 2060S 8G Evo V2. I have a i7 9th gen.
vast meadow
my budget is yet to be decided mainly because we are trying to upgrade my mother...
That's still a great cpu, i assume you're gaming?
naive pendant
yeah
vast meadow
I would actually try and upgrade your gpu first
naive pendant
I would actually try and upgrade your gpu first
I broke my pc when I got mad at a game so I have to replace my motherboard no matter what. my graphics card did not get damaged though
vast meadow
I broke my pc when I got mad at a game so I have to replace my motherboard no ma...
How did you break your motherboard while raging??
naive pendant
im taking it apart and putting it back together in a new case
vast meadow
naive pendant
How did you break your motherboard while raging??
i slammed the case on that side. its a bit more than ragging though I have brain damage and ptsd from the army so its different
vast meadow
Ahh
naive pendant
Ahh
yeah but since im upgrading that the wife has given me permission to upgrade a few things so
what would you recommend for a gpu and cpu?
vast meadow
what would you recommend for a gpu and cpu?
Honestly I'd keep the cpu but gpu depends on your budget
naive pendant
Honestly I'd keep the cpu but gpu depends on your budget
i have a couple hundred to spend
vast meadow
i have a couple hundred to spend
Like 300? Including the motherboard?
vast meadow
like 300 after the motherboard
If you sell your 2060 super, for like 600ish then get a 3060 ti/3070/67000xt/6800 for like 500-900
hoary echo
3060 ti's go for about 1200 where i live :(
vast meadow
Shame but that's probs ebay pricing
naive pendant
do you have a suggestion for another step up motherboard?
hoary echo
nah that's just gaming tech in australia prices
severe pivot
Shame but that's probs ebay pricing
i think i got it.....
my mobo supports 2 cpu cables. and ihad one plugged in, and didnt know exactly what the other was for. when i googled it said it was not needed. but after i plugged it in i havent crashed yet
vast meadow
my mobo supports 2 cpu cables. and ihad one plugged in, and didnt know exactly w...
A 2nd 8 pin? No, a 2nd 4 pin yes definitely
severe pivot
so i only needed 8 and 4
vast meadow
Nah you only need 8 pin
severe pivot
wack. does that sound like the power supply issue you thought before?
well ihad an 8
and it kept crashing
now that i have both in there. i havent yet...
vast meadow
each 8 pin will handle ~400w, so unless your 12600k is going to be pulling 400w ...
@severe pivot
vast meadow
wack. does that sound like the power supply issue you thought before?
What power supply?
severe pivot
1000w
vast meadow
What 1000w
severe pivot
oh lemme see
vast meadow
And what cpu and gpu
severe pivot
CORSAIR HX Series HX1200
1200w actually my mistake
Windows version: Windows 10, 10.0, version 2009, build: 19043
Windows dir: C:\Windows
Hardware: ASUS, ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC., PRIME Z490-A
CPU: GenuineIntel 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11700K @ 3.60GHz 8664, level: 6
16 logical processors, active mask: 65535
RAM: 34223710208 bytes (31.9GB)
vast meadow
That's a great psu
severe pivot
yeah i wanted to make sure i got a good one
vast meadow
So i don't think you've got a problem unless it's faulty
I mean you could swap the 8 pin you had plugged in and maybe it was a wonky cable but idk
severe pivot
true. if i crash again thats my next choice
i also
ddu
my pc again
and then i installed driver directly thru driver install
naive pendant
If you sell your 2060 super, for like 600ish then get a 3060 ti/3070/67000xt/680...
whats your opinion on this motherboard? will it work? https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z390-AORUS-PRO-Motherboard/dp/B07HRZKPXM/ref=psdc_1048424_t1_B07HMG1XP7
or can you give another suggestion on a better one?
vast meadow
whats your opinion on this motherboard? will it work? https://www.amazon.com/GIG...
Decent but way too much money
naive pendant
Decent but way too much money
thank you
vast meadow
Np
supple sedge
3600mhz c18 or 3200 mhz c16?
vast meadow
If ryzen, preferably neither
naive pendant
Np
it will support the graphics card once i upgrade it right? (i have bad anxiety too so i have to triple check everything)
vast meadow
it will support the graphics card once i upgrade it right? (i have bad anxiety t...
Yep basically any cpu/mobo in the past 15 years will support any gpu from the past 15 years
naive pendant
Yep basically any cpu/mobo in the past 15 years will support any gpu from the pa...
ok thank you
grizzled bloom
You could put a rtx 3090 in s system with an i5 960 (first gen)
Not that I recommend that
supple sedge
Links?
Dont have the link pulled up but its corsair vengeance 3600mhz and c18 vs 3200mhz and c16. its gonna be with a 5800x
grizzled bloom
Neither for a 5800X. Latency is high so games will stutter.
supple sedge
do you have any recommended ram? rgb is preferred
grizzled bloom
16gb?
supple sedge
either 16 or 32 yeah
with the microcenter sale i have a spare 100 in my budget now so i can afford 32 in my build
not sure if 32 is overkill or not for primarily gaming w
grizzled bloom
Non rgb, also comes in white and red
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2TFKHx/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4b
32gb is overkill for anything less than Microsoft flight sim near max settings
supple sedge
gotcha
and how do i tell the difference between these timings? are some c16s different from others?
cl16* my b
grizzled bloom
It's more than just cas latency, it's the other primary timings too. The ones I'm recommending are 16-18-18 while the ones you asked about before are 18-22-22
supple sedge
ah theres a bunch of timings
sweet ill aim for the rgb one you linked, thanks for the help
shy wyvern
Ugh be quiet hasn't even responded to my request for new mounting bracket yet 
gentle acorn
Oof
So would i need to buy a new PSU for the i5-12600k since i only have a 4+4 pin connector for CPU power?
restive minnow
Odd to ask here, but is NewEgg the only place selling DDR5 in the US? I've not seen it anywhere else
rocky beacon
Every other major retailer will be selling it
restive minnow
will be, eventually. But currently?
severe pivot
So i don't think you've got a problem unless it's faulty
I crashed again.... What solution do u want me to do next?
rocky beacon
Corsair is selling their DDR5 on their website
restive minnow
nod Generally speaking, I imagine it's not gonna be easy to get RAM for a bit
rocky beacon
restive minnow
Man. I've got every component coming this week...except for RAM.
warm bolt
If 4x8 ram is "daisy-chained" why does it get more FPS than 2x16?
burnt spear
If 4x8 ram is "daisy-chained" why does it get more FPS than 2x16?
sure they were the same speeds and timings?
mild jackal
If 4x8 ram is "daisy-chained" why does it get more FPS than 2x16?
No and no. Daisy vs t-top are types of mobo trace layouts. 8GB sticks are usually single rank, 16 usually dual, but not always.
There are certain use cases that benefit from > 1 rank per channel given identical clocks/timings, yes.
That's really what all those "2x8 vs 4x8" videos are about
warm bolt
I saw an article saying 4x8 ram could get you a few more FPS and went to some youtube vids on it and 4x8 does seem to be slightly higher in the 1% low. Within what could probably be considered a margin of error probably but when it's consistent across different titles is it?
mild jackal
Watch a gamersnexus video on it
heady root
can someone tell me a good cpu pairing for a 1660s
limber dragon
3600x/3700x/5600x and 10600k/10700k/11600k/11700k
finite elm
3600x/3700x/5600x and 10600k/10700k/11600k/11700k
drop the x on 3600 though unless its cheaper
limber dragon
3600 non x has god awful stock boosting, I would not recommend it
finite elm
3600x is the more expensive than a 5600x on newegg. so unless you buy used or at microcenter, it ain't worth it
mild jackal
For someone asking a question like that - I'd just give a single recommendation or two depending on what the current best deal is
limber dragon
finite elm
sorry, prices were wrong, on newegg a 3600X is 280$, a 5600X is 309$
at Microcenter, 3600x might not even be in stock and a 5600x is 280$
finite elm
Don't waste that extra 50$ on the 3600X for "extra boost speed"
finite elm
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3600-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B07STGGQ18/ $230
thats not the X
limber dragon
yeah, I was getting prices then you posted them
finite elm
That extra money is wasted when you could either invest more in your GPU or Storage. or simply just a better CPU in general instead of just worrying about the boost clocks 😛
cursive epoch
better yet get newer cpu at same price
limber dragon
to each their own, they have a ballpark of what cpus would be best
finite elm
better yet get newer cpu at same price
Thats what my "or" is referring to lol
shy wyvern
If 4x8 ram is "daisy-chained" why does it get more FPS than 2x16?
This can happen with single rank sticks, happens to me
I have 4 single rank sticks
They act like 2 dual rank sticks in dual channel when I use all 4
shy wyvern
Also today at microcenter, they literally had like 80 5800x when I got there on sale for $299 and when I left 30 minutes later the shelf was half empty
Everyone was buying a 5800x today
hollow thorn
deal was too good
shy wyvern
Legit I got worried about the line this morning
there was like 60 people waiting in line
a few went for gpus but everyone went for the 5800k...
left the alder lake cpus for the most part
someone else was talking to me laughing about grabbing a 12700k and being the only one
Also I've seen no one buy a ddr5 board irl for an alderlake chip
When I get my mounting kit and stuff, I'm going to see how the cpu performs ecore only.
I think it's going to be interesting having no pcores enabled
restive minnow
I picked up a 12900K and GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS MASTER. Snagged a be quiet! 280mm cooler and a Dark Base 900 for a case.
Still trying to track down RAM. Just can't catch it in stock thus far.
shy wyvern
I picked up a 12900K and GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS MASTER. Snagged a be quiet! 280mm ...
I'm using ddr4... I have no cooler since my dark rock 4 cooler needs the mounting kit
and bequiet hasn't even accepted my inquiry yet for getting a new 1700 mounting kit
wondering if I should buy a cheap cooler to hold me over LOL
cursive epoch
12900k do be popular huh
It's not a good value at all lel
Cause 12700k does the same things as it does as well ngl
cursive epoch
12600K would be best value outta all
grizzled bloom
12600k competing with the 5800X basically
cursive epoch
the e-cores really helps
grizzled bloom
Definitely
cursive epoch
intel manages to make it cheaper than 5800x
grizzled bloom
From what I saw the 12400 should be phenomenal too
cursive epoch
and technically has more cores
dim cloak
But need to run windows 11 to get that power out of it tho
cursive epoch
12400 lacks e-cores but
I expect it to get 5600x perf
lol no
You don't actually need it
Win 11 gives you less perf actually, funny enough
grizzled bloom
But need to run windows 11 to get that power out of it tho
Not really, I've seen reviewers bench both and win10 often is better
cursive epoch
^
W11 atm is even bleh for adl
All promises Intel bluffed about amounts to nothing
dim cloak
So what about the proper e core p core power distribution that was prioritized in win 11 or was that to show it was integrated in the os
grizzled bloom
There's a few bugs like certain games crashing on launch but you can disable the e-cores and they run
main pulsar
no ones really sure what is the cause of what yet, as everything this generation is practically beta
cursive epoch
^
main pulsar
so everyones pointing fingers at hardware / software / OS / drivers
but nothing's pollished yet lol
grizzled bloom
Yeah literally everything is new at this point
grizzled bloom
Intel engineers are hopeful. I talked to one at a best buy drop. They should have samples out to game devs by now.
cursive epoch
nice
Why I'm so interested in the arc stuff is cause they're gonna come to laptops too lel
grizzled bloom
The hardware was basically done and it was the drivers they were working on then.
cursive epoch
Also ofc the rdna2 stuff in 6000 mobile
grizzled bloom
They had a list of games they could launch internally
grizzled bloom
RDNA2 is going to be great once they hit the market
cursive epoch
even early leaks says it's better than mx350
grizzled bloom
I feel like steam deck is a preview and the best is yet to come
cursive epoch
yeah
shy wyvern
intel manages to make it cheaper than 5800x
5800x is now selling for $300 at microcenter, pretty telling
cursive epoch
well yeah
it's really sayin something
im sure 5600x will be dumped in price once 12400 comes ngl
vast meadow
I crashed again.... What solution do u want me to do next?
Did you have all the pins in? And what does whocrashed say?
severe pivot
Did you have all the pins in? And what does whocrashed say?
Same thing. All 12 pins in
vast meadow
Same thing. All 12 pins in
It's very odd, what is your ram running at btw?
severe pivot
It's very odd, what is your ram running at btw?
What so you mean?
vast meadow
What so you mean?
Like what ram do you have? And what are you running it at
Just incase it's more ram error kinda thing, unlikely but yeah
prisma gust
Does anyone here think upgrading to ddr5 worth it. I have a Ryzen 7 5800x paired with RX 6700 XT in ddr4 32GB 3200Mhz
vernal cosmos
Does anyone here think upgrading to ddr5 worth it. I have a Ryzen 7 5800x paired...
I mean you will have to buy a new cpu and a new motherboard if you wanna upgrade to ddr5 and u wont really get much improvement out of it
If you want faster ram get a 32gb kit of 3600c16 crucial ballistix
prisma gust
Oh so DDR5 is going through what DDR4 went when it released? Where you can wait until is actually worth upgrading
vast meadow
Does anyone here think upgrading to ddr5 worth it. I have a Ryzen 7 5800x paired...
Not for a good few years
vast meadow
Oh so DDR5 is going through what DDR4 went when it released? Where you can wait ...
Yes but also 12th gen only ddr5 platform so far, jump aint worth it
prisma gust
Yea I was thinking that to cause I already have the 5800x which is very fast cpu
prisma gust
I see
vast meadow
Z690 boards spensive too
gentle acorn
There are boards with DDR4
cursive epoch
But perf is murdered
Soooo
Might as well stay with ryzen or 10/11th gen Intel if one already has that stuff
Or heck ryzen is better value cause of ddr4 and b550
Compared to alder lake ofc
hollow thorn
But perf is murdered
not that badly from testing so far
cursive epoch
I did see 1% and 0.1% lows in games take a somewhat steep drop tho
Not enough to be stuttering, but you definitely lose some smoothness
Perhaps saying "murdered" was an overstatement lel
vast meadow
There are boards with DDR4
Yeah but still cheapest board for 12th gen is 200$ atm
gentle acorn
Alright
vast meadow
I did see 1% and 0.1% lows in games take a somewhat steep drop tho
Far cry saw the biggest drop in derbaurs testing of like 8% or so on 3600 16 16 16 36
But rest weren't that much
gentle acorn
Do you think there may be cheaper DDR5 models out by next month? Maybe I’ll look into getting DDR5 if it is
cursive epoch
Nope
gentle acorn
Alright
vast meadow
Do you think there may be cheaper DDR5 models out by next month? Maybe I’ll look...
Give it a year or so
gentle acorn
Alright
Guess for now then I’ll just deal with that since it doesnt sound like itd be too bad of a performance drop
hollow thorn
Still need tunes testing, but anandtech testing at jedec showed near 0 difference in most games
And again far cry being an outlier with like 10% difference
gentle acorn
Would it effect COD or VR much you think? Thats the main reason im even considering upgrading
hollow thorn
Need more testing
gentle acorn
Alright
vernal cosmos
There are boards with DDR4
Eh 10th gen intel supports ddr3. Doesnt mean its a good idea
vast meadow
Pricing for the 12400
Sounds about right based of the past x400(f) pricing tbf
vast meadow
Eh 10th gen intel supports ddr3. Doesnt mean its a good idea
What?
vernal cosmos
What?
Look ark.intel
Everything except i9s support ddr3
Multiple 10th gen laptops use ddr3
vernal cosmos
Yeah
vast meadow
That's wack
severe pivot
Like what ram do you have? And what are you running it at
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 DRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model CMW32GX4M4C3200C16W
I'm running it at 1.206v rn
Another notable thing. I under locked GPU by 50. Then I did not crash in a 3 hour play session in Halo.
vast meadow
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 DRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)...
Why are you running it at 1.2v? I'd clear cmos and turn on xmp and save and exit
vernal cosmos
I belieb it's just dummy
No its actually used
vast meadow
Still dummy
vernal cosmos
You can actually find 10th gen ddr3 laptops
But yeah
I feel the same way about ddr4 on alder lake
vernal cosmos
Doesnt make sense to change board and ram later on for better perf on the same cpu
vast meadow
People just might not change board and ram :o
Lot of ppl won't upgrade for like 3-5 years so
vernal cosmos
Well those are just my personal thoughts tho
vast meadow
Intel might have new socket by then
vast meadow
Fair
But ddr5 is legit like no stock
Nothing on wegg in stock
Amazon has no sign from what i can tell but Amazon has bad filters so idrk
B&h seems to just have pre-order
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rocky beacon
Only way to get DDR5 is to buy RAM and Motherboard bundles on Newegg
vernal cosmos
Might upgrade to zen3 p when it comes out
vernal cosmos
Zen3p
vast meadow
Only way to get DDR5 is to buy RAM and Motherboard bundles on Newegg
Ahhh that's where all the ddr5 is
vernal cosmos
What p stand for ?
Plus
vast meadow
Ahh haven't heard it called that
But zen3d sounds good so
Zen3d
Also I've been calling it that anyway so
severe pivot
Why are you running it at 1.2v? I'd clear cmos and turn on xmp and save and exit
Will do when I get home.
vernal cosmos
Yeah 3200 at 1.2v is low
severe pivot
Oh really? Thanks.
vast meadow
Oh really? Thanks.
Unless you're running at 2133 instead and forgot to turn on xmp yeah should be like 1.35v ish
velvet terrace
when is ddr5 coming out officially
hollow thorn
already out
hollow thorn
when is ddr5 coming out officially
velvet terrace
Officially, July 14, 2020 :)
https://www.jedec.org/news/pressreleases/jedec-publ...
ah yes 2020
sorry let me rephrase it
when like will it be cheap lol
hollow thorn
usually a year
velvet terrace
alright thanks
hollow thorn
ddr3 took around a year to get good, ddr4 took around a year to get good (relative pricing)
velvet terrace
ywah
alright so should i just get a good set of 3600
or just stick with 8 gigs
for another year
hollow thorn
If you're sticking to a ddr4 platform, 2x8 3600c16 will be neat if its unlocked
velvet terrace
yeah
shy wyvern
Finally got approved this morning
Mounting bracket here I come 
I just want to be able to use the Stoopid CPU and motherboard I got lol
vast meadow
Pog
hollow thorn
Neat
shy wyvern
Estimated 3 day shipping
Would you all be interested in seeing ecore only performance?
Assuming it lets me disable the P cores
subtle crow
Did you get the i5, i7, or i9?
severe pivot
Why are you running it at 1.2v? I'd clear cmos and turn on xmp and save and exit
Completed. will report back with results
digital kernel
Would you all be interested in seeing ecore only performance?
Yes
If nothing else you can set the software to run on the e cores in windows
shy wyvern
Did you get the i5, i7, or i9?
i5
You can disable cores in bios, may be able to disable all pcores
Just need my mounting bracket to come in
Est 3 days
subtle crow
the E cores have about as much single core performance as a skylake thread, right?
shy wyvern
A full Skylake core yeah
On par IPC
But they only clock to like 3.6ghz
What's funny is that's basically an entire i5 6400
They practically have a modern 6 core with a 6400 assistant cpu
I have a i5 6400 actually
Would be an interesting comparison
Ecore only vs i5 6400
subtle crow
I'm sure
subtle crow
it is kinda like that when you think of it
subtle crow
I'd be interested to see how much better intel alder lake handles background tasks with other processor heavy tasks
shy wyvern
What's funny is that even though those CPU cores are 1/4 the size and 1/8th the power draw of Intel's Pcores
They're only half the size of Ryzen 5000 CPU cores
That's how chonky the P cores are
subtle crow
10nm vs 7nm I guess
shy wyvern
Yeah and intel could make chips that are power efficient with the process
instead they went
*** M A K E T H E M B I G G E R***
It's kinda crazy how much bigger the new cpus are lol
Do you guys think that we'll see ecore only models for desktops? I think it'd be a great opportunity for the T series of processor (25-35 watt cpus)
shy wyvern
I think we might
but probably for mobile only
considering the ecores can pull just 4 watts each
we may see more powerful 4 core 4 thread super efficient laptops
big little is going to be amazing for laptop battery life
I wonder if the scheduler will act differently if windows is in "power saving" mode instead of just downclocking the cpu
grizzled bloom
12100 maybe as an all e-core, that could be interesting.
heady rampart
i swapped to low pro file vengeance ram. i noticed its not running at 3600. its at 2300mhz. also my frames are noticeably lower at times
grizzled bloom
Enable XMP in your bios. Might also be called DOCP.
heady rampart
Enable XMP in your bios. Might also be called DOCP.
Thanks it worked went to xmp now 3600 🙏🏽
keen lintel
Has anyone ordered the ASRock B550M-HDV board recently?
tryna figure out which BIOS comes installed on it
devout mothBOT
EatinBlunts#8131 has been warned
shy wyvern
12100 maybe as an all e-core, that could be interesting.
I think the 12100T might be
35 watts will not be enough for 12th gen pcores
vast meadow
Completed. will report back with results
Good luck
grizzled bloom
tryna figure out which BIOS comes installed on it
It'll vary by retailer and by luck. For example, if there's not a lot of them being restocked and they shove the old boards to the back, you might get an older bios version than someone else buying at a similar time.
naive pendant
wow
shy wyvern
Yeah XD
vast meadow
Is it just me or are those messages from 2019?
Not just you, that's the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen them do that lol
devout mothBOT
Congrats! You won a free... ERROR MESSAGE CAN NOT BE FOUND
restive minnow
I'd really....really....like to know when NewEgg is restocking DDR5. I've got everything but RAM just sitting here. :/
hollow thorn
Unfortunately, there's no way for Newegg or us to know, it'll get restocked whenever Newegg receives the next shipment from memory manufacturers
restive minnow
cry
finite sedge
Unfortunately, there's no way for Newegg or us to know, it'll get restocked when...
Is there any website that provides any notification alert for this by any chance?
hollow thorn
Is there any website that provides any notification alert for this by any chance...
not yet afaik
most still only do GPU stock notifications
finite sedge
ic
vast meadow
Is there any website that provides any notification alert for this by any chance...
There are some python scripts that are designed for gpus or something but could probably work with ddr5 as a customisation if you look around, ik b&h has some on preorder though
finite sedge
There are some python scripts that are designed for gpus or something but could ...
neat I'll take a look around
shy wyvern
Is it just me or are those messages from 2019?
We were having convos about me messing up liquid metal last year
burnt spear
10400f can run ram higher than 2666mhz on a b560 right?
burnt spear
Yep
Someone argued with me for 15min about it
Ty
The techie color is so similar to admin
Tf
Wait
Thats anime
Pato since when do you watch anime
vast meadow
The techie color is so similar to admin
No lol it's theos birthday role
Techie bright yellow
vast meadow
Pato since when do you watch anime
I don't
burnt spear
Why do you have the anime role then
vast meadow
No lol it's theos birthday role
.
burnt spear
.
vast meadow
Theos giving it to like everyone lol
rocky beacon
Epic
severe pivot
Is i9 worth?
vast meadow
Depends on what you wanna do, for gaming, no
rocky beacon
lmao
naive pendant
@vast meadow dont make me send you more christmas songs
vast meadow
I'm sorry
rocky beacon
Now to get a motherboard and hope RAM is in stock soon
naive pendant
Is it just me or are those messages from 2019?
lmao
rocky beacon
What CPU did you buy?
warm bolt
What should I be looking for in a mobo for a 12700k? That I would also potentially try mining with. @vast meadow
cursive epoch
I would do 12600K instead if you haven't got that thing before
warm bolt
Already arriving tomorrow
cursive epoch
Mhm, okeh
Then look for a mobo with ddr5
But a lil problem is the ram is outta stock rn
warm bolt
Was trying to decide if I should go ddr5 or 4. Just watched benchmarks that ddr5 barely does anything over 4 rn.
cursive epoch
You do lose quite a chunk of perf in games
I've seen 0.1% lows having big difference
That metric of fps is what dictates how smooth the actually game runs
warm bolt
Yeah I know that much. I know basic outline of parts and what they do just not all the little features to look for.
grizzled bloom
It's mostly jedec ddr5 right now so you'll have to overclock it by hand to get the expected performance
cursive epoch
5200c36 isn't too bad imo
But ocing it defo helps
We dunno how well they oc yet so it's an unknown space
grizzled bloom
Yeah that's not horrible, a little lower latency than jedec
cursive epoch
Which die is best and blah blah
A 5200c36, 32 gigs kit goes for 299 atm
Basically everyone has it at that price
warm bolt
Huh ddr4 performs slightly better on a few games but on more of the games ddr5 lows are higher FPS by a lot.
Just watched game benchmarks.
grizzled bloom
It depends on the reviewer and what kits they use
cursive epoch
Across the board, I see em use the mentioned kits up there
grizzled bloom
And also how much memory speed affects the individual games
cursive epoch
5200c36 everywhere
And the comparison to ddr4 is mainly 3600c16
Sometimes 3200c16
grizzled bloom
Or 3200 c14
cursive epoch
yeh
warm bolt
ECC something I should be looking for?
grizzled bloom
Only for workstations and servers
cursive epoch
^
Tho ddr5 already has on-dimm ecc built in
But ya shouldn't worry about it regardless
It's just new addition to ddr5
cursive epoch
Get the aorus
The vrms basically looks the same
but the aorus is cheaper so yeah
warm bolt
Yeah I was looking at stuff and basically seemed the same to me. I just didn't know if there was something I was missing. Or like if gen 2 was old.
The networking speed up to is higher on the aorus as well.
Another question tho. How is synching RGB with different brands?
cursive epoch
They're basically equal to me, wifi wise
Cause all Z690 does come with wifi built into the chipset
warm bolt
Yeah I just meant the up to 2.4GbE vs 2.5GbE.
cursive epoch
Gigabyte uses rgb fusion, while msi uses uh dragon something? iirc
Oh that's just ethernet
warm bolt
Also aorus seems to be doing better in the benchmarks I'm watching for the most part.
grizzled bloom
Gigabyte uses rgb fusion, while msi uses uh dragon something? iirc
Dragon center has been changed to just msi center
cursive epoch
Ah
warm bolt
Yeah I know that was ethernet I just meant the speed is faster. Could be very minimal speeds or just marketing but was js.
cursive epoch
It wouldn't matter unless your internet is that fast xD
grizzled bloom
Most things promising faster speeds and latency are just marketing
cursive epoch
2.5 gigabit is like 2500 mbps
warm bolt
Yeah I meant though like do you need RGB apps for every different brand then?
cursive epoch
Mhm
warm bolt
That's annoying lol.
grizzled bloom
There's third party apps that sometimes work
warm bolt
Welp looks like I'm basically ending up with bloatware anyway.
cursive epoch
MSI Center for MSI, AORUS RGB FUSION is for AORUS
Yeah openRGB sometimes work
I like Asus myself the most, Aura Sync is nice
grizzled bloom
Openrgb still doesn't like msi. There was a few boards that got the rgb bricked.
cursive epoch
I doubt the gigabyte will have much issues
grizzled bloom
You can configure it so msi works but it's "at your own risk"
Signalrgb was another one, but feels very bloaty with how big it is
warm bolt
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1666737-REG/asus_rog_strix_z690_f_gaming.html
What is this site and why does the preorder not seem to list a date of release anywhere?
grizzled bloom
B&H is fairly reputable
They probably don't know exactly what date they're allowed to sell it, manufacturers can change things last minute.
cursive epoch
^
warm bolt
Well the gigabyte is bundled with norton. And honestly I might be willing to get a more expensive CPU partly for RGB and partly bc I don't want annoying AV popups anymore.
warm bolt
Ahh
grizzled bloom
You'll just find it as an optional install when you use their driver update tools
keen lintel
It'll vary by retailer and by luck. For example, if there's not a lot of them be...
Thanks a lot man
vast meadow
What should I be looking for in a mobo for a 12700k? That I would also potential...
Mining with your gaming gpu has nothing to do with the motherboard so just get a decent motherboard vrm wise and feature wise
vast meadow
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-z690-aorus-pro/p/N82E16813145345?Item=N82E168131...
You don't need to spend that much on a mobo but if you want to spend that much definitely the aorus
vast meadow
ddr5 ones are expensive
Ehh not really(compared to the other z590s) you can get a z590 ud for 200$
cursive epoch
isn't z590 ud ddr4?
vast meadow
isn't z590 ud ddr4?
Sorry z690 ud*
Ahh the ddr5 one is oos atm but 220$
Same with msi a pro
vast meadow
i knew it lol
I mean the a pro is 220 and the prime p is 230 soo
vast meadow
The aorus elite ax d4 is only 270 it's like 50 cheaper than d5
severe pivot
Well I came home to a frozen PC. So I reset it. Who crashed obviously saying same crash log
severe pivot
This crash log
severe pivot
And also you dont have to reset pc every crash
What do you mean? Typically this issue resets my PC by itself. But this time it was just frozen to I tapped the power button.
vernal cosmos
Thats called restart
Not reset
Reset is completely different
Reset involves reinstalling windows
severe pivot
Use ddu to uninstall gpu drivers
We did this twice now
I can do it again when I get home
severe pivot
How can I get ahold of this?
vernal cosmos
How can I get ahold of this?
And then hit start search
If ur on win 10 choose win 10 64 bit instead of win 11
And then just scroll down
severe pivot
How old of a driver should I get
vernal cosmos
Try 1 or 2 versions
severe pivot
Okay. That should work? I had this card in an older PC build for about 30 days no crashing.
severe pivot
Nothing. New build
severe pivot
Been going thru lots of issues in this chat tho with this pc
🙃
Luckily. @vast meadow is an OG and been helping me 🥺
supple sedge
I like pato 😳
cyan raft
Pato is love, Pato is life
vast meadow
😳
gentle kestrel
I can't find a filter for a lga 1151 cpu socket type in filters when I search motherboard am I doing something wrong?
vast meadow
Well you don't want to be buying a motherboard/cpu that old anyway unless 2nd hand and cheaper
But if the site has separate amd/intel motherboard categories mb that's it
hollow thorn
I can't find a filter for a lga 1151 cpu socket type in filters when I search mo...
Lga1151 is just a very annoying mess by Intel, there's kind of like a lga1151v1 and a lga1151v2, same supposed socket, but chipsets that are basically lga1151v1 won't support chips that are on lga1151v2, for example, 9900k can't fit on z270
Best to just search by the chipset
gentle kestrel
Ok ty
spiral fulcrum
hey uh so
I just realised that I have 8 GB of ram installed after I installed my liquid cooler
So I'm missing 8
That rams lights werent running so I just tried both rams in second slot and they both work
However 2-3 slots together just dont boot
I tried resetting bios settings but it didnt work
I also tried to clean ram slot 4 with a brush but it also didnt work
Theres no visible damage
vast meadow
Try 1 stick in slot 2, see if it works, move to slot 4, see if it works, same with the other stick
Just try 1 stick at a time for the moment
spiral fulcrum
Ok uh I just reinstalled it again and it now shows up
On 2-4 slots as normal
Thats so strange
Because on second try rams lights were on but it wasnt on bios nor windows
vast meadow
🤷♂️
shy wyvern
Can we talk about how jank the PCIE layout is for z690?
vast meadow
Why is it jank?
shy wyvern
Because wtf
The main 16 slot is 5.0
The nvme is half 4.0
And the other slots are 3.0
I've never seen a board with 3 generation of PCIE on it before
And especially for my new board
Slots 1 2 and 4 for nvme are 4.0
Slot 3 is 3.0
spiral fulcrum
With that much nvme slots
I think its fair
Pcie 5.0 will be irrelevant for some time anyways
hollow thorn
mobo manufactures are just too lazy/cheap to buy more switches
I'm pretty sure chipset link PCIe 4.0 or equivalent, therefore any slots being PCIe 3.0 is them being cheap with either the traces or pcie switches imo
shy wyvern
Every board I've seen so far
Has some pcie 3.0 on it
Like
It's so weird
Imagine a pcie 4.0 board with pcie 2.0 on it
vast meadow
The nvme is half 4.0
Wdym, nvme is a X 4 lanes, where a is gen
vast meadow
I've never seen a board with 3 generation of PCIE on it before
Don't see a problem with that at all, pcie is backwards compatible anyway
shy wyvern
Wdym, nvme is a X 4 lanes, where a is gen
I meant half the drive slots are 4.0
vast meadow
I meant half the drive slots are 4.0
So? Same with most b550 boards etc
shy wyvern
It's just funny to me that there's 3 generations of PCIE on the board, that's all
hollow thorn
hm
the chipset itself does pcie 4.0 and 3.0
cpu does 5.0
I thought it was all 4.0
since DMI 4.0
@shy wyvern
summarized by Anandtech
hollow thorn
its just weird
shy wyvern
^
Feels like a PC in 2021 with USB 2.0 ports. Don't understand why we cling to older technologies
burnt spear
is an E5-1630v3 good enough for a minecraft server, around 10 people
and its going to be with 6gb of 2133mhz ram (online server hosting)
opal olive
Helo
Guys
I need hell
Help
Not hell
So I just got new thermal paste today to remove the old one and add it
devout mothBOT
hchilazi2#5145 has been warned
opal olive
But the f ing heatsink is stuck onto the cooler
How am I supposed to remove it
By the way I have an amd wraith prism stock cooler
The thermal paste turned like super glue
mellow moon
twist very carefully when removing it. It will come loose.
Don't just apply vertical pressure, apply horizontal pressure to wiggle it loose without damaging the CPU
opal olive
I tried that it's literally glued to the cpu
vast meadow
I tried that it's literally glued to the cpu
Did you make sure all the screws are out?
If so just keep twisting from side to side
rocky beacon
You mean 3900X?
pseudo atlas
yes
rocky beacon
How is it not working exactly?
Describe what is happening when you attempt to turn the PC on
pseudo atlas
like when i do boot up it cant take me into bios and it wont do anything
its not my graphics card because i have tried several
rocky beacon
I would first of all suggest all to check all of your PSU cables and see if they are connected properly
pseudo atlas
ok ill look nw
rocky beacon
So no fans or lights come on at all?
pseudo atlas
yes lights and fan come on
rocky beacon
Make sure your front panel connectors are in properly also
pseudo atlas
k
rocky beacon
Which TUF motherboard though
pseudo atlas
Have you tried reseating your RAM?
no how do i do that
pseudo atlas
Which TUF motherboard though
not sure oop-
pseudo atlas
ohhh i thought u said reset ram