cpus-mobo-and-memory

[burnt spear]

Wasn't doubtful, just surprised lol

[naive pendant]

From Asus tho

[vast meadow]

Can you send the name/link of it

[naive pendant]

Like I said, bookmarked it on the pc and Im on my phone rn at school

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[naive pendant]

But yeah I will

May have went up tho, said it was on sale that day

[vast meadow]

I see

It was probs a b560 board tbh

[naive pendant]

I think

But asus does have pretty looking mobos

Me need that rgb lol

[dense frost]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-approve-yes-gif-4633714

[vast meadow]

But ik you don't have a k chip but I'd still put it on a z board, just a better board you can remove the power limit kinda like overclocking it

[vast meadow]

Perty

[mild jackal]

Those sticks look like djr/cjr, idk

Not bad price if you want 4k xmp for some reason

[vast meadow]

Nice sticks for 5600g/5700g builders tbf

[mild jackal]

Idk - I'd look at total budget, type of gaming use case e.g. target framerate, genre of game, preference for xmp set and forget vs manual clock to decide

$90 is steep for 2x8 not b-die tbh

[vast meadow]

I mean it's like 5$ more than 3600cl16 so i mean ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mild jackal]

the 3600c16 micron?

[naive pendant]

Build rn.
I7-10700f
Gpu 1660ti Gigabyte
Corsair 850W 80+ gold
Corsair 4000x rgb case
Corsair Rgb Vengence Pro 4000mhz 2x8
Asus TUF VG32Q something something 1440P 144hz 1ms 32'
Royal Kludge Rk83 I think
Razer Orochi V2 Mouse

And a Razer Kraken X headset. Other monitor is some sceptre 75 hz 1080p

Oh and AIO is NZXT Kraken x53 RGB

Think thats all

[vast meadow]

Ye ballistix is 84/85$

[vast meadow]

Ntb, what power supply is it tho, 80+ gold don't mean much :l

[mild jackal]

I think I saw a sale on the rgb ballistix for 80 - I guess 4k is pretty plug and play on cezane though, IF probably benefits a lot, I haven't looked at benchmarks tbh

Might be picking up a 5300g or two soon lol

[vast meadow]

They were but prices went up unfortunately, from what I've heard it's a nice bump for the igpu

[dense frost]

motherboard?

[vernal cosmos]

ripped from oem systems or are they hitting retail?

[mild jackal]

Friend bought a bunch to bin a while ago, some from HP oem, others from ebay

He doesn't want them anymore

[vernal cosmos]

Ahhh thats nice

so you get em pre binned

[mild jackal]

I don't think he binned

[boreal umbra]

😃

[vernal cosmos]

lol nice

[naive pendant]

850W?

Nothing is sending oml

[boreal umbra]

rip

[naive pendant]

@dense frost Mobo is from prebuilt im using temporarily so Ill check

[vernal cosmos]

exact model

corsair makes many 850W gold psus

[naive pendant]

Ohhh, Ill have to check when I get home then

[hollow thorn]

Txm RMx rmi axi hxi rm

[dense frost]

have you checked your temps, btw?

[vast meadow]

Like what model?

[vast meadow]

That all the gold corsair psus? Thought there would be more , they all pretty good then

[vast meadow]

It's a 70$ motherboard the have atm, I'm guessing they have a h410, maybe a b460 if lucky

[naive pendant]

50 degrees f at most under long hours of gaming

[brisk willow]

that wouldn't explain how my laptop plugged in with ethernet gets like 30-40 mbps tho? same cable and everything

[hollow thorn]

There's others too, just a few of what was on the top of my head, Enthusiast TX v2 and RM 2013 are prob gold.

[vast meadow]

Ahh i figured there was more that's fair

[vivid lynx]

What's the difference between x570 and b550

[hollow thorn]

between the chipsets, only just different chipset lanes, and commonly a chipset fan for x570

[boreal umbra]

x570 SUCK

BAD

NEVER BUT

[hollow thorn]

but

[hollow thorn]

isn't the point for fans to suck air

the chipset fan is made to suck air

[boreal umbra]

BUY

UNLESSYOU ACTUALLY NEED MULTIPLE GEN 4 DRIVES FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON

BAD

[hollow thorn]

you should know 3dxpoint is the future and optane drives are going to be completely necessary in every build >:P

[boreal umbra]

wait what is this 3dxpoint you speak of

[hollow thorn]

@weak notch enlighten this man of the glory of 3dxpoint

[boreal umbra]

also optane memory is 💲🥦💲💲💲💲💲💲

[vernal cosmos]

lol

[boreal umbra]

I will buy all optane memory,

if I am jeff besos

deal

[weak notch]

optane is 3dxpoint

3dxpoint is pcm

using memristors instead of transistors to store data

[boreal umbra]

[cyan raft]

Crosshair VIII Hero is nais but overkill

[dim crescent]

PC3-12800 vs PC3-14900, are those memories compatible

[vernal cosmos]

Link em

Also compatible with what

DM the links to me

U wont be able to send em here

[dim crescent]

can I replace 12800 by a 14900 (both DD3)on a lenovo thinkcenter

[vernal cosmos]

Wot

Links

To all the products in question

[naive pendant]

that's a biggest reason I don't go for intel since there are too many chipset model around and look so confusing...

for AMD, it's either B550/X570 or B450/X470

[dim cloak]

Well intel has different chipsets at different prices for different use cases tho

But doesnt amd also have the A series chipsets as well

Like the A520 chipset and i might be mistaken but a A320 as well?

[hollow thorn]

Intel usually has like 4 per gen, h510 h570 b560 z590 for example

But only ones that really matter are b560 and z590

Same with AMD

[dim cloak]

H series chips are more work/budget based but limited performance but correct me if im wrong

[boreal umbra]

not necesarrily

h570 is just like b560 but with more pcie lanes

also tend to be higher end

[dim cloak]

Alright then thanks for correcting me

I always stayed away from H chipsets cause wasnt my appeal

[boreal umbra]

h570 pro4 is meta rn

[dim cloak]

Eh i just went Z590 cause it was $100 for me so yeah

[cursive epoch]

H is odd on Intel

They have Hx10 and Hx70

Hx70 is as good, if not higher end than Bx50 (7th gen had B250) or Bx60

But Hx70 could oftentimes be more expensive than B

[stark sky]

i was thinking of a better mobo to ghet bcuz my mobo can't OC and only has one pcie x1 slot and 1 pcie x16 slot. I got the ASUS b50M-A; intel cpu i7-11600k

[waxen panther]

Hey is the msi h510m a pro good?

The msi b560m pro vdh wifi is out of stock and the msi h510m a pro is the only one available

Is it a good motherboad?

I was planning to pair it with a i5 10400f with a 1050ti and 16gb 2400mhz

[misty pagoda]

pretty good

[cursive epoch]

oh god, 2400mhz ram is gonna limit it

Also I don't recc H510, ram is capped to 2666mhz

[waxen panther]

What is better for the long run?

I was going to plan to upgrade my ram and stuff in next couple of months

[brisk falcon]

Is this still considered good ram? I got it from work and I'm wondering if it should go in my backup PC
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820233891

[cursive epoch]

Just get other B560, ya don't gotta go H510

[waxen panther]

Aight

Cheers mate

[cursive epoch]

Also ram has to be at least 3200mhz

And C/CL16

[waxen panther]

Does ir affect performance hard?

[cursive epoch]

Yes

2400 bottlenecks it so much

[waxen panther]

Aight

[cursive epoch]

for backup pc, that's fine

it's like 6th gen i7 anyway

shouldn't matter much

[mild jackal]

Getting 64GB of ddr4 for free is a good deal any day, lol - no matter the speed

[cursive epoch]

tru

i didn't see the free part

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-z690-chipset-for-alder-lake-cpus-detailed-supports-ddr4-ddr5-memory-and-gear4-mode

tfw cpu now has 4 gears

not literal gears but you know what i mean

[smoky widget]

If you buy 2 of 32gb it's cheaper(289.99) It will be cheaper compared to 4x16gb(309.99)

[cursive epoch]

They got it free

So the cost is 0

[smoky widget]

I miss it. My bad

[vast meadow]

No

[waxen panther]

Aigjt

I think ill just wait for the b460 boards to restock

[vast meadow]

B560*

B460 will also limit ram speed lol

Pretty much ant b560 will do for a 10400

[cursive epoch]

^

H570 or B560

Either works

But not H510

[grizzled bloom]

H570 is just meh. More expensive for features most people won't need. Like AMD X570.

[cursive epoch]

ye

Paying for H570 is better off with Z590 instead lmao

Or Z490

[grizzled bloom]

Yep even Z490 is preferable for any average user

[cursive epoch]

H570 is still locked

Just has XMP like B560

[boreal umbra]

except the rare moment when its somehow cheaper

idk usa is weird

[cyan raft]

When did B550 come out? I don’t remember when it did

All I know is when I was buying my mobo it wasn’t a thing yet

[vast meadow]

After x570

[lime fern]

is B550 better than x570?

[vast meadow]

Usually (ofc it depends on board by board)

If you exclude the cheapo motherboards b550s are almost always better unless you need multiple gen 4 ssds for some reason

[jovial ledge]

B350 is much better 🙂

[vast meadow]

No

[cursive epoch]

don't go trolling people smh

[burnt spear]

Ooga booga

[devout moth]

Myles2110#6819 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Myles2110#6819 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

HeatedStream#6881 has been warned

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HeatedStream#6881 has been kicked

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[devout moth]

Eddie Dingle#7760 has been warned

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[digital kernel]

Why do people come here to swear?

[boreal umbra]

clearly bots or a raid lol

[vast meadow]

Cuz they absolute comedians ;-;

[grizzled bloom]

The bots try to ping @ everyone with their scam links but we have that as a blocked word lol

Mostly because it might just crash the server if you try to ping 40,000 people at once

[cobalt meteor]

Plus getting pinged for that would really suck

[waxen panther]

yeah the 10400f is good

it boost to 4 ghz

[waxen panther]

mate @spice galleon

what's your clock speed when gaming?

and idle

[spice galleon]

rn im on wz menue at 4ghz

[spice galleon]

ima load into a mw 2019 snd and tell u what clock speed i average

rn averaging 3.98

ghz

[vernal cosmos]

task manager?

[waxen panther]

aight

[spice galleon]

yh

[vernal cosmos]

lol

use hwinfo

[spice galleon]

ight ill load it up now

[vernal cosmos]

task manager for metrics is bs

[dim cloak]

Hwinfo is a friend

Give you more information about your pc's performance than most other applications

[spice galleon]

yh which bit is it at there

nvm found it

rn im running 4ghz

[spice galleon]

how can tell what speed memory i have

cause i bought 3000mhz but im using a 10400f so i can only use 2666

but i wanna know i actually have 3000mhz ram

[devout moth]

Zeusツ#7909 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Zeusツ#7909 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[spice galleon]

@storm timber ?

[vernal cosmos]

10400f can do a lot more than 3000mts

[spice galleon]

i mean cause i got b460 taht caps at 266

2666

[vernal cosmos]

yes

[vast meadow]

Ahh yeah b460 caps at 2666 for i3s and i5s

[spice galleon]

but is there a way i can see i actualy have a 3000mhz kit

[vast meadow]

Look at your order/packaging of the ram or take the stick out

[vernal cosmos]

get a b560 board if you wanna use the ram

[vast meadow]

Think you misunderstood question rawr xD

[spice galleon]

ah ight its fine then cause it said 3000 on so im good

[vast meadow]

Realistically nott worth it

If they already have a b460

[vernal cosmos]

not advising to get it. its just the cheapest way

[vast meadow]

Aye

[devout moth]

Spyproof#0001 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Spyproof#0001 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[vast meadow]

Or if in the US sometimes h570 cus

Tfw when nzxt z490/z590(can't tell) has a default tjmax of 115c

https://youtu.be/DWSsF9oTeak

[boreal umbra]

tjmax best department store

dont @ me

[vernal cosmos]

[zenith spruce]

Anyone want to give me their take on the timings on this memory? https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/ZRpmP6/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tf4d432g3600hc18jdc01?history_days=730

Should I get something faster, I guess is my question

[cursive epoch]

That's meh, get ones with 3600C16

C18 is bleh

[zenith spruce]

Okay, will wait for a deal on some CL16.

[vast meadow]

For what cpu?

[zenith spruce]

5800x

[vernal cosmos]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/2TFKHx/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4b non rgb

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4JBhP6/crucial-ballistix-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4bl rgb

I would get one of those

[zenith spruce]

I have that one in my list too, just no sales yet. 😦

[devout moth]

aes#0071 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

aes#0071 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[waxen panther]

temps are good

60 degrees while playing valorant

[cyan raft]

Does anyone know any good WRX80 motherboards?

[limber dragon]

one that you can buy? I've only seen a listing of the asus one for a day or two

[cursive epoch]

^

I think the Asus looks to be the best?

[cyan raft]

The Zenith II?

That’s TRX40 I’m pretty sure

Wait I’m dumb there’s the Pro WS

[limber dragon]

there's a giga and an asus, giga looks anemic

[cursive epoch]

ye

it looks bare

[cyan raft]

It looks like something you’d fine in an OEM prebuilt

[naive pendant]

B460M PRO-VDH WIFI transferred this mobo from a prebuilt i was unhappy with and put in a brand new environment. is it a keeper or should i buy a new one?

[grizzled bloom]

It's good enough, but it won't run memory at faster than 2933 even if it's rated higher.

[naive pendant]

im tryna run 4000 out here dang

[grizzled bloom]

Then you need Z490, B560, or Z590

[naive pendant]

i already got eyes on an asus one

ruuns 4400

runs* just wanted to know if it was worth keeping

[grizzled bloom]

It's still a decent board, maybe use it with a low power processor and make a media/file server with it.

It would do ok even for gaming still, just not fast memory

[naive pendant]

i prefer to have a high end system and not have 1/4 of my ram get bottleneckd

plus i use two monitors and i need another pair of ram anyways

[grizzled bloom]

Intel isn't as sensitive to memory speed as AMD is, so unless you're trying to use a 10700k on that board or something a memory bottleneck is unlikely.

And if you are using a "k" processor you should be getting a "z" board anyway so you can overclock.

[naive pendant]

i mean i still might

[finite elm]

To update the bios with a Mobo with Q-Flash Plus do i use a USB with the new bios?

[cursive epoch]

Maybe

Check asus I guess

[finite elm]

It's a gigabyte board

[hollow thorn]

@finite elm check manual, might have to rename file, but new bios file onto USB and then flash

[finite elm]

I found the instructions

Yee

[cursive epoch]

wait, gigabyte

ah

[limber dragon]

Gigabyte needs the file extension to be renamed

[cursive epoch]

For asus I just run installer and it does everything

[limber dragon]

sure, until flashback is broken on it

of the 3 asus boards I've had, only 1 had functioning manual bios flash

[cursive epoch]

yikes

[silver lotus]

guys whats better ram 4000mhz CL18 or 3600mhz CL16 for gaming?

[mild jackal]

Depends on your cpu/mobo, post the full XMP specs of the ram when asking that question - or just post the link to the listing

[cursive epoch]

^

[silver lotus]

@mild jackal i7-10700kf is my cpu

and this is the 4000mhz ram: https://www.pccasegear.com/products/48285/g-skill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2x8gb-4000mhz-cl18-ddr4?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_Jf9_YP78gIVtDdyCh2ymQ3nEAQYASABEgIfz_D_BwE

[grizzled bloom]

18-22-22-42 at 1.35v
Not the best kit

Plus that price is WAY too high for that kit, I found a similar specced kit for $89

[grizzled bloom]

Here's a much better deal for you https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374041

[waxen panther]

Hey my setup has delay when opening

When I press the power button there is like a 2 second delay before everything lights up

But it boots okay

Just pressinf the button has a delay like 2 seconds before the system lights up

[vernal cosmos]

Thats fine

Dont worry about it

[grizzled bloom]

If you're concerned try another power supply, that sounds like an extended power_good delay. ATX spec says it can be up to 0.5s but sometimes it can be longer.

[waxen panther]

I dont have anmother psu

[grizzled bloom]

I wouldn't be too concerned about it anyway, as long as everything else is fine like voltage

[waxen panther]

aight

there are no problems

it boots as is

when it opens its already on windows

fast booting

[naive pendant]

uhmm quick question

what's the minimum motherboard for a Ryzen 3 4300g?

[dense frost]

look at B550 chipset motherboards

[naive pendant]

it doesnt go with a320?

[dense frost]

its a zen 2 processor, so technically it could, you would have to check the motherboard support page to be sure. but A320 is such an old chipset, they were not the best to begin with

bad memory support, bad vrm

minimum I would go would be a second hand B450. but not something I could recommend with a clear conscience

[cursive epoch]

b550 would be best choice

[vast meadow]

Please don't get an a320 lol

[cursive epoch]

^

[dense frost]

whats a VRM? lel

[cursive epoch]

[opaque imp]

I need ram choise help

With chrosshire VIII and 5900x

[boreal umbra]

BARLY VRM

WHEN THE VRM IS BARLY

[vast meadow]

Dont get that motherboard for starters, , burning money really, secondly how much ram you want and rgb or no?

[boreal umbra]

noooooo hes gonna become the next bz

[vast meadow]

Then whey wouldn't need help choosing ram if they could use the mobo to it's potential tbh

[boreal umbra]

shhhhhhhh its part of the plan

[hollow thorn]

It's been a while since we spoke, but I just found this that relates to your issue

Intel has been bumping up their platform support for WIFI6 and faster Ethernet. A new Intel I225 Ethernet controller supports speeds of up to 2.5 gigabits per second. But at the time of writing, there was a hardware bug in the PHY chip: the inter-packet gap should be at least 5 bytes in size according to the IEEE standard, but the I225 controller appears to require at least 8 bytes. Herein a bug was spotted that crumpled down ethernet performance.

As long as you use gigabit ethernet, this was no issue, but in combination with certain 2.5GbE routers and switches this caused issues, performance would drop to a few megabits per second in the early revision of this chip. With the latest firmware and drivers, the speed is automatically adjusted to 1 gigabit when such packet loss occurs; for a definitive solution, a new hardware revision of the controller is underway which should make the final retail boards in stores in time for launch.

[brisk willow]

oh man thank you for this update. I've managed to fiddle with some settings and now get around 5 mbps but knowing theres a fix coming is a godsend. thank you!!!

do you mind linking the article?

[mild birch]

Ffs

Yep this is officially the worst inside joke I’ve ever started

[boreal umbra]

cope

[mild birch]

Oh yeah

Now an IEEE comitee member again

Cause school discount

EZ PZ

[hollow thorn]

Well uh, the article is more than a year old, and I barely stumbled upon it while looking for something else, so I wouldn't say fix is coming soon, if it hasn't already been out, but yea, bottom of this page
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i9_10900k_processor_review,2.html

[hollow thorn]

when did you get un-IEEE comitee membered..?

but back to writing oc guides I assume

also, @gritty meadow WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME ANANDTECH IS NOW USING FACTORIO AS A BENCHMARK

[boreal umbra]

lol

[gritty meadow]

Because you are a big boy now, and you are expected to read EVERYTHING

:P

[hollow thorn]

:(

[boreal umbra]

what techie role does to a mf

[hollow thorn]

anyways, sneak peek at what I'm trying to do compiling CPU performance numbers

gaming section is VERY wip in terms of methodology, but here's the start

wpm is weighted product model

[brisk willow]

hm.. okay, thank you!

[west pecan]

Anyone know the possible answer to when I enable XMP in Bios to use my 3200 Ram at it's speed, and my PC not wanting to boot unless I clear CMOS?
DDR4 3200 2x16gb, on a Asrock Steel Legend B550m, Ryzen 5600x.
-I know 3200 Ram works for my MB and CPU.
-These are my 2nd Mother Board (used manufacture warranty) and CPU(Extended Warranty).
-I should have the latest Bios Update.

It's basically stuck at 2400

[digital kernel]

Does it work at 3000?

[signal matrix]

Try the DOCP setting for 3200. Overclocking RAM on AMD needs twitching on the timing to get it right. The DOCP is like XMP for AMD.

It should get you close if it doesn't work right out the gate.

[hollow thorn]

docp is xmp for Asus boards for AMD

the rest still calls them xmp

prob just need to manually set everything

don't forget 1.1v vsoc

[west pecan]

Is there a guide to manually set it? I don't know that stuff, nor 1.1v vsoc.

[signal matrix]

There are YouTube videos that would do a better explanation then me. Look up how to overclock ram on X motherboard or how to overclock ram on AMD.

[hollow thorn]

well

if you want to overclock

arshia has good guide
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

[signal matrix]

Anything over the base clock of the motherboard is overclocking.

[hollow thorn]

there are exceptions

3200c22 jedec is well jedec

it's just once you start doing anything beyond primaries, things get really weird and annoying

[signal matrix]

I'll admit I don't even know what you're talking about with jedec.

[hollow thorn]

jedec are the people that makes standards

most commonly you'll encounter 2133 cl15 or similar jedec profile before you set xmp on your kits

there are kits that are jedec 3200 cl22/cl20, mostly ecc stuff, but it won't really be overclocking

[signal matrix]

Got it. Thanks

[hollow thorn]

anyways that guide is good guide for annoying bits in ram oc

[dense frost]

wow. well done

[burnt spear]

Question, because my brother doesn't know anything about pcs and i was explaining smthn to him

What's the max amount of ram you can have?

512 or 1024

Or can it be more

[grizzled bloom]

Max according to what limit? There's servers with 2TB DDR4 right now

[burnt spear]

Oh wow

Cool thanks

[grizzled bloom]

More than that will be possible with DDR5

[vast meadow]

Most consumer platforms max at 128gb

[vernal cosmos]

Depends whether you want it all in ur system or not

like I have a few gigs sitting in my drawer and 16 gigs in my PC

but yeah in seriousness, check ur mobo manufactureres page

[burnt spear]

Nah not like that

[vernal cosmos]

each board can do upto a certain amount

[burnt spear]

He is interested in programming but knows nothing about pcs

[vernal cosmos]

32gb all that most people will need

[burnt spear]

I forget exactly his thought process but basically he thought you'd run into ram limit before cpu limit

[dense frost]

no

[vernal cosmos]

no?

[burnt spear]

Talking about like workstation grade pcs, basically the most demanding stuff you could do

[dense frost]

RAM limit? What? No

[vernal cosmos]

what cpu does he have

[vernal cosmos]

yes

[burnt spear]

Not in his pc.

In gegeneral.

[vernal cosmos]

you can hit ram limits

[grizzled bloom]

If you max out the memory capacity it just uses disk cache

[burnt spear]

Wtf autocireect

[dense frost]

this

[burnt spear]

Tf is gegernal

[vernal cosmos]

some things straight up fail on disk cache iirc

like they throw up errors or just crash

[grizzled bloom]

Only poorly programmed things will do that

[dense frost]

again, this

[grizzled bloom]

Any decent programmer knows to do low memory environment testing

[vernal cosmos]

fair fair

[burnt spear]

Basically he wanted to program smthn to maximize ram usage for high end pcs (threadrippers and such)

[vernal cosmos]

but yeah disk cache kinda slow

[dense frost]

Any decent programmer doesnt aim to use as much RAM as possible. Literally the opposite

[burnt spear]

But he doesn't know anything about how pcs work

[vernal cosmos]

Why would anyone make bloatware like that

[burnt spear]

And you'll tend to run into cpu limit before 512gb of ram

[burnt spear]

Because he knows nothing about pcs

Literally nothing

[vernal cosmos]

How is he supposed make a program without knowing about pcs

[dense frost]

and yet he is arguing about technicalities?

[burnt spear]

Sorry let me clarify

How pcs work

He can program

Java, html, and python he knows

[grizzled bloom]

Tell him using more memory doesn't make it faster

[burnt spear]

I did

I explained it to him, and google told me 512gb ram was the max last night but I wanted to double check since that didn't seem right

[mild jackal]

Depends on the platform, the max unregistered you can have per channel is 64GB on ddr4

(right now)

With registered memory, there isn't really a limit

[grizzled bloom]

Not using that much memory for the program, but simulating an environment where other processes are hogging memory and things are getting written to disk cache

[dense frost]

Back in my day, they tought you how PCs work, before teaching you how to program. What are they teaching kids these days?

[fossil imp]

This, all of this

[mild jackal]

I know there are some 256GB DDR4 samsung sticks

[hollow thorn]

really?

[dense frost]

agreed, I ws just adding to your point

[burnt spear]

Idfk he's not interested in pcs themselves

[hollow thorn]

I know 128gb sticks, but 256gb sticks?

[burnt spear]

I hate coding but am unti pcs physically and some software

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah I mentioned the 2TB servers already, some mac ones can do that too

[burnt spear]

To a certain extent anyways

[mild jackal]

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/module/M393ABG40M52-CYF/

[burnt spear]

I have to go, I have to do a project

[split copper]

aw man

[hollow thorn]

you can get 4tb of ram if you use 256gb sticks and some platforms like epyc that gives you 16 ram slots

[split copper]

I had hope that you were saying 256mb

😔

[grizzled bloom]

The theoretical max is somewhere around 16.8 exabytes for 64-bit OS

[cursive epoch]

yeah

if anything could even support that much

[dense frost]

ram slots as far as the eye could see

[vast meadow]

Only 16.8 exabytes pffft

[dense frost]

or in real world terms, 2.1 Chrome tabs

[cursive epoch]

ddr5 tho

m o a r maximum ram

[grizzled bloom]

Truth

[cursive epoch]

ddr5 epyc when

[mild jackal]

Dual socket epyc can do 8TB

No idea what 8S xeon platforms can support

[grizzled bloom]

Channels for days

[fossil imp]

8TB... Dam

[mild jackal]

32 x 4GB sticks in the opteron machine was fun

Was about 3.5 lbs of ram total

[split copper]

lol

[mild jackal]

I have a dumb picture somewhere where I weighed it

[fossil imp]

3.5 LBs of RAM, Lol.

[mild jackal]

Those ddr3 rdimms have heavy heat spreaders

[fossil imp]

I almost forgot about those

[split copper]

I imagine 16 exabytes of ram would make a computer break like how a large capacity modern hard drive does to older computers

[grizzled bloom]

Older computers were running 32 bit OS so they couldn't handle that much space without a buffer overrun

[vernal cosmos]

thats... a lotta wam slots

[fossil imp]

Whoa, look at that setup!

[grizzled bloom]

XP 32 bit SP3 could handle 2TB max for a primary partition

[mild jackal]

This is for a different reason - MBR vs GPT but yeah

[grizzled bloom]

Ah yeah that's right

[mild jackal]

That entire board, cpus, coolers, ram was maybe $400 3 years ago lol

[grizzled bloom]

Windows 98 was limited to 127GB partition though (not that anyone would ever need that much space on that OS)

[mild jackal]

64 "cores", 128GB 1333mhz

That's actually pretty terrestrial - I think I had a 40GB boot at one point on 98, was very young, didn't know much about that stuff

Rather, that was a hand-me-down gateway 2000

600mhz PII or something

[grizzled bloom]

600? Baller. I was running 98 off a 166

[split copper]

I need my thousands of copies of oregon trail dammit

[grizzled bloom]

I snagged a 300MHz out of my mom's old XP, oddly she had the same motherboard as me

[mild jackal]

I wish I kept more of my old tech stuff

Just little things like my original core 2 duo box, 2500k box etc

I currently only have my 9700k box and on I think

[vernal cosmos]

I WAN IT

[sullen mirage]

Cpus mobos and memory are cool

[burnt spear]

lies, deception

Seems suspicious to me https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/store-publishes-benchmarks-of-the-core-i9-12900kfi7-12700kf-and-i5-12600kf.html

[main pulsar]

just dont waste time with "leaks"

wait till gn review

[split copper]

don't waste time on leaks?

but if you don't patch them your boat will sink

[steep patrol]

Do u guys think that a mobo with built in wifi is better than a mobo without built in wifi but an added pcie wifi extender on it?

[cunning ingot]

video review =
anandtech/techpowerup review =

anandtech uarch deep dive =

[cyan raft]

I love how anandtech now uses factorio as a benchmark

[hollow thorn]

GN is great for video review, and anandtech gaming benches kinda sucky considering their ram config

[cunning ingot]

i mean they technically use the max supported but i get what you mean

i mean all the reviewers ram setup usually sucks

except for faris, and maybe igorslab

and china

i just generally dislike video reviews in general

nope igorslab ram setup suboptimal as well

[hollow thorn]

We're talking 3200c20 with anandtech, and most people, including GN and TPU, using 3200c14 for testing kinda thing

[cunning ingot]

3200c20 is jedec

which is technically the highest offically supported

and is technically the most commonly used

but yeah i like them more for their uarch deep dive and not necesarily their numbers

their ram config does suck

TPU is my go to

i like their graphs too

and i dislike all video reviews because its a PITA to use as reference

which you should use reviews for

[hollow thorn]

Tbh gn is nice now with how YouTube sections videos

Ofc I also prefer articles when possible

It's easier for me to grab some quick specific graphs by screenshoting GN than going to say TPU and have to identify what is what and all

[cunning ingot]

but there is graphs in tpu

[hollow thorn]

TPU putting all the charts like next to each other without any headers or anything is annoying to me

[cunning ingot]

videos are a pain cuz im often on mobile

[hollow thorn]

True

I'm always article for mobile

[split copper]

Just use the sections

[devout moth]

qepiz#2929 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

qepiz#2929 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[hoary echo]

https://www.amazon.com.au/Corsair-Vengeance-Unbuffered-Generation-notebooks/dp/B08BLT24NZ/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=sodimm+2933&qid=1630579423&refinements=p_36%3A5000-15000&rnid=5355409051&s=computers&sr=1-3
should i get this?

it should be the right everything

[grizzled bloom]

Should you get it for what? What are you trying to accomplish?

[hoary echo]

games

because 8gb ram for gaming is kind of :/

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, what CPU and motherboard do you have?

[hoary echo]

laptop and a 10300h

[grizzled bloom]

Ah I see, yes that should be good then. It's a jedec kit so don't expect extreme performance. I can probably find a cheaper kit too if you want.

[hoary echo]

yes please

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B01BMMVNL4

[hoary echo]

would it matter that it is 2666 instead of 2933?

[hoary echo]

what is the performance difference between 2666 and 2933 on intel cpus?

[vernal cosmos]

not much

unless very different sub timings

[hoary echo]

what would be a better pick, given i do not have much money

[vernal cosmos]

mobo and cpu?

[hoary echo]

i5 10300h and idk the mobo

it's some laptop one

[vernal cosmos]

run cpuz

download and run it

[hoary echo]

now what?

@vernal cosmos

[vernal cosmos]

Hm

H470 it seems

[grizzled bloom]

The current memory is running at 2933 so that's likely the cap

[vernal cosmos]

yeah

[hoary echo]

i googled the cpu and it said 2933 is the max

[grizzled bloom]

It won't make enough of a difference doing 2666 vs 2933 on a 10300h. The gains from the additional memory space will outweigh any losses in speed.

[vernal cosmos]

2666 is max for i5s on H570

i7s and i9s can do 2993

[hoary echo]

apparently it is running at 2933 already though

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that doesn't really apply to laptops and there are exceptions

[hoary echo]

so get the 2666?

[grizzled bloom]

If you're on a tight budget yeah

The 2933 is good too, and would be slightly better if you can justify the cost

[hoary echo]

yea i need like 3 things; ram, headset, and battlefield 2042

[cursive epoch]

just get matching speed for your laptop's existing stick

if it has 3000 get 3000

etc

[hoary echo]

but thats expensive

[devout moth]

Lenwk#2299 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Lenwk#2299 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[hoary echo]

https://www.crucial.com/memory/ddr4/bl2k8g32c16s4b
is this a good alternative to the corsair ram?

[grizzled bloom]

Crucial is a decent brand in general for memory, let me check that kit specifically

Here's the deal with that: It'll run, but not at the 3200 speed. It'll run at the 2933 speed at the lower voltage with whatever timings it ends up with.
It'll work, in short.

From the reviews on the site it appears it might even be limited to 2666 on your system

[hoary echo]

:o

[cunning ingot]

do laptops have xmp

you can flash a custom XMP

like

2933 14

[vernal cosmos]

[cunning ingot]

https://github.com/integralfx/DDR4XMPEditor

[vernal cosmos]

how

huh

wh

[cunning ingot]

you can mod speeds too

for example you can turn 2133 jedec into 3200 jedec

and it'll run 3200

without xmp

[vernal cosmos]

where did you find this

the guide on ryzen is a little lacking

@cunning ingot

[cunning ingot]

overclocking discord

i mean

[vernal cosmos]

which chanel

[cunning ingot]

its for people who know what they're doing

#ram-overclocking

[vernal cosmos]

I do know what i am doing

Dump the SPD using spd_check.
Open SPD dump and change settings to whatever you want.
Save your modified SPD.
Write the modified SPD using spd_write.
seems inadequate tho

[cunning ingot]

well its not supposed to be a guide

its a tool

[vernal cosmos]

cant figure out a way to open and edit the spd file

[cunning ingot]

you need to enable spd editing in bios

btw

spd protect might be on

[vernal cosmos]

hmmm

I see

that makes sense

[cursive epoch]

bios editing

well that's tricky on laptops

hp? no chance

they encrypt their stuff

[mild jackal]

You're not editing the bios, you're editing the memory on the ram stick itself's EEPROM.

That said - a laptop bios likely won't let you edit that - but you could very well do so on another platform, then run the sticks in said laptop.

[cunning ingot]

finally a use for the sodimm to dimm adapters!

[cursive epoch]

ah

[earnest rover]

Questions on user opinions.

I'm thinking on building a new pc.
I already built a b450

Should I wait until ddr5 is mainstream?

Or

Build a decent rig and wait a couple generations.

[vast meadow]

I'd wait til 12th gen intel personally

[burnt spear]

I'd wait for 12 gen reviews to see if ddr5 is as buggy as 6th gen intel was with ddr4

[vast meadow]

Ddr5 will be fine, it will either be the cpu thats buggy or windows 11

[sullen mirage]

Guys i found 5950x for 250 dollar

[rocky beacon]

Scam

Why do you feel the need to send a message in every channel, that is considered spam.

[burnt spear]

He thinks he's funny

[burnt spear]

Definitely an 11 year old

[smoky widget]

I think someone needs to timeout @sullen mirage

[sullen mirage]

shoot

[rigid condor]

should i wait for intel 12th gen

[grizzled bloom]

For what use case?

[rigid sluice]

So I bought a fancy Mobo and ITS BEEN HELL

It's a ASUS WS X570 ACE

This thing has been nothing but hell the past few hours

[grizzled bloom]

That's, uh, not a desktop motherboard. It's made for workstations.

[rigid sluice]

Got it in a case

With a 5950x

Everything plugged in

Won't Post

Then I tried a Athlon 200GE

And then a Ryzen 2400GE

For the 5950x the CPU error LED turned on so probably incompatible bios

Nope!

I try the 200GE or the 2400GE still nothing. (Then2400GE Is litterally on the compatibility.list)

And no instead of CPU error I get a LED labeled LAN2_INI

[hollow thorn]

yay board with high price and no boot code display

[rigid sluice]

This thing dosent even have a Mobo speaker header...

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's not really designed as a consumer friendly board

[rigid sluice]

I got it because the last system I had was a duel socket supermicro

So I kinda got used to workstation stuff

But nah this thing is devilish in comparison

I just want it to do litterally anything

[grizzled bloom]

Unless you actually need the security and other features there's no point getting a workstation board, it's the same as a consumer board but less features

[rigid sluice]

I don't care if it's fans spin or whatever

Just something

[rigid sluice]

24 hr fully loaded CPU

A gaming board won't like that

[hollow thorn]

gaming board should do fine

[grizzled bloom]

So you think, but that doesn't really matter as long as it's cooled properly

[rigid sluice]

Well I already have this monster and it doesn't want to turn on

[hollow thorn]

imo most of them at the price will have better vrms

anyways

blame asus for having bad documentation first and foremost

manual doesn't say crap

[rigid sluice]

Ikr

[devout moth]

Big and Round and Rolled Around#9214 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rigid sluice]

Last gaming mobo was POO POO

I had

[hollow thorn]

everything varies in quality

[rigid sluice]

Stupid thing had a crossover feedback issue on the audio jacks

[hollow thorn]

and not always gaming, but anyways, clear cmos?

[rigid sluice]

Tried taking the battery out and letting it set for like 10-15min

While shorting the power switch pins every few min to make sure it's really cleared

Still nothing

[grizzled bloom]

Try with one RAM stick?

[hollow thorn]

(it was unplugged from the wall, correct?)

[rigid sluice]

Yes

Also has one stick in it

Tried multiple slots actually

[grizzled bloom]

Well it's really sounding like it's DOA to me

[hollow thorn]

looks like it should be in a2/b2

and doesn't look like it has flashback

[grizzled bloom]

They used an older supported CPU to test that too

[rigid sluice]

Yup

[hollow thorn]

It's possible the bios is just screwed up

but yea

[rigid sluice]

Athlon 200GE and Ryxen 2400GE

*Ryzen

[hollow thorn]

couldn't boot from my b450 board with a zen+ chip at one point, flashed new bios on, booted.

[hollow thorn]

and yea, at this point, Asus will prob agree to RMA it for you

[grizzled bloom]

Or if you're in the return window swap it for a new one from where you bought it

[hollow thorn]

also, I thought the mobo just had some weird extra power connector until I realized it was just a paragraph of marketing for a fancy eps12v 8 pin

[grizzled bloom]

Reinforced EPS lol

[hollow thorn]

'enhanced eatx 8 pin power connector'

[grizzled bloom]

It doesn't even have an extra 4 pin smh

[hollow thorn]

asus probably did a good job somewhere on this board

but the board isn't designed for use cases that pertains to what we usually care about

[grizzled bloom]

VRM sinks look decent

[hollow thorn]

ehhhh

[grizzled bloom]

Not great but decent

[hollow thorn]

they look like they'll perform similar or worse than MSI x570 boards that had overheating vrms imo, x570 gaming edge wifi for example

reminder of how hot that got in debauer testing for example

[grizzled bloom]

Well that's what they get for not cooling those chokes

[hollow thorn]

I mean, ace is quite a bit better in terms of temps, and still doesn't cover the inductors

[rigid sluice]

Tbh I don't think I would have a issue with VRM cooling

Since I casually use a server chassis with 5x 80mm 9.4k fans

[hollow thorn]

just poking fun at the mobo

[hollow thorn]

since

[rigid sluice]

True true

My biggest selling point was U.2 Tbh

M.2 is neato but U.2 is even more neato

[hollow thorn]

u.2 weird

[limber dragon]

hmm yes vrm cooling, that thing that's never needed unless you spend 2x more on the cpu than the mobo

[hollow thorn]

or the vrm is crazy inefficient

[waxen panther]

Pc has no display when booting

Everythinf is spinning and lighting up

The msi ez debug led from my mother board isnt lighting up so i suspect everything is detected

[cunning ingot]

theres very few bad modern motherboards that cost over $200

[waxen panther]

Could it be the psu not delivering power? Or the gpu is dead?

[cunning ingot]

tbh

and like fitz said

unless ur spending 2x+ the amount of money on cpu than mono

like even a terrible b550 can handle a 5600X fine-ish

[cunning ingot]

its a gpu or bios thing

not psu

[waxen panther]

Everythinf boots to windows

The ez debug doesnt flash anything

Everytjing is tected

[cunning ingot]

does have igpu

try that

with the dgpu removed

[waxen panther]

I actually dont know if there is igpu on this mobo

[cunning ingot]

try using different port on gpu

what cpu and mobo

looks like a cheapo msi

it will have it

[waxen panther]

I5 10400f with a msi b560

[cunning ingot]

oh

cpu doesnt

[waxen panther]

Yep

[cunning ingot]

uh got any spare gpu lying aroundp

[waxen panther]

Nah mate

Im not thqt kind of dude

The ez debug led should flash if it cant detect the gpu

I still dont know whats the problem so i still dont wqnt to send the gpu to get rma'd

[hollow thorn]

how do you know it boots to windows if you have no display..?

[hollow thorn]

but yes

[waxen panther]

It takes a bit of time to shut off when I press the power button

So i tried spamming the delete key to bios

And when I press the power button it shuts off really quick

So I can assume it boots into windoes

[hollow thorn]

what

[waxen panther]

Im bad at explaining

XD

[hollow thorn]

did you install windows?

[hollow thorn]

just gonna say debug led aren't always accurate, and I'm just going to assume it might still be no boot

clear cmos useful

[waxen panther]

How do I do that?

[hollow thorn]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

battery method neat method

[waxen panther]

Everything Actually spins

[hollow thorn]

yes

[waxen panther]

Aight lemme read it first

[hollow thorn]

it can not boot but still supply power to fans

[waxen panther]

Aight I am going to try jt

[rigid sluice]

This "Packing material" for a 400$ mobo

Like wtf

Ignore the hoarder corner

Like this is envelope quality

[waxen panther]

Same thinf

Tje ez debug lights up everytjing then continues to power on

When i try to take out the gpu it turns on then turns off then turns on again

[hollow thorn]

it seems I might be starting to go crazy

[limber dragon]

welcome to the club

[hollow thorn]

@limber dragon please tell me I'm hallucinating and the numbers for each chip for the three kingdoms battle benchmark are not different (Both timestamped)
https://youtu.be/72AHENDeTEI?t=1050
https://youtu.be/mxiuvQPL_qs?t=686

I'm tryna compile data

I put down 206.1fps avg 146fps 1% lows for 5950x from data from first video

then second video has the 5950x at 205.9fps avg 135.2fps 1% lows

I don't think they overhauled their testing methodology between the two videos, the overhaul was in like march 2020

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[grizzled bloom]

They retest every time they do a comparison video like that, in case driver updates and such change results

[hollow thorn]

I'm going to sleep

leaving this thing for tomorrow

that's going to make it really annoying to compile data then

sad

but like just look at the difference in 1% lows between the two videos for the 5950x

what happened

ick

[limber dragon]

welcome to GN's testing, where they use "current" drivers for everything, so that you cant compare previous benches to current reviews

[hollow thorn]

and then there's rdr2 on their custom high preset, where one review has fps in the 180s for the chips and the other has fps in the 160s

[limber dragon]

yup

[hollow thorn]

guess I have to always just use up-to-date benches, useful for consumers, not useful for me trying to compile data :(

[grizzled bloom]

Also the latest game versions in case of optimizations

[hollow thorn]

hey, at least that saves me the trouble of finding which benchmarks they have in common

cough TPU cough (Some chip reviews have AC:O, some don't, some have CSGO, some don't)

[limber dragon]

if they used a 6900xt for their benchmarks for example, you'd see 10-20% improvement on recent cpu comparisons to earlier ones because of driver updates

then you also get windows updates

[hollow thorn]

guess it's good for useful data

[limber dragon]

its accurate when the video is put out, after about a month, its out of date most likely

hell, they could even be a bios update to tighter timings or something

[hollow thorn]

afaik they have subtimings all manually set

but who knows

[limber dragon]

gn's "manual" timings, or real manual timings?

they do primaries and some secondaries, auto terts

[hollow thorn]

tbf I don't think they ever clarified

if they do auto tert, that's going to be a factor

[limber dragon]

their "super tuning" was primaries and half of the secondaries

with gdm enabled, so half of the timings they stated werent even accurate

[hollow thorn]

hm

[limber dragon]

uhhh 5600x review iirc, or oc vs oc of 5600x vs 10600k

[hollow thorn]

welp, that means more assumptions I have to write about doing this

[limber dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYhwBk8GE6M somewhere in here they auditorily say the timings

iirc too, they manually tightened rdrdsc and wrwrsc to 1, which is the default on am4

[grizzled bloom]

Benchmark videos are not usually meant to be indicative of your expected performance, you'd have to match their setup and settings exactly to get the same result. It's more of a "general idea" thing.

[hollow thorn]

yes, I'm trying to work with general idea data

dat's why I'm still going to use anandtech data despite how I don't like what they run their ram at for tests

probably just going to give it less weight in the later calculations

but hey, interestingly, with math, 11900k comes out on top (for now from GN data) because of how I'm weighting 1% low fps higher than avg fps

[cunning ingot]

if 11900k comes out on top

10900k comes out on topper

[hollow thorn]

will add 10900k data later

[grizzled bloom]

I won't be too surprised if 11900k does come out on top. It's a pretty robust chip and has good single core speed. Too bad it's only got half the cores so it tends to be more compared to 5800X.

[cunning ingot]

did faris use the same setup on the 10900K vs 11900K for the 10900K as he did against the 5950X?

[grizzled bloom]

Memory latency is slightly lower too

[limber dragon]

||you could ask faris||

[hollow thorn]

ofc you see it on synesthetic stuff like cinebench

but yea

[cunning ingot]

shame the 11900K has 200 less mhz, 4mb less cache, a larger ringbus, higher memory latency, as well as being hotter than the 10900K

[cunning ingot]

i'll ping him but lemme check it first

[hollow thorn]

larger = better
source : trust me
/s

[cunning ingot]

looks close enough?

good on him for those two ticks of tRFC!

oh nvm

some of the terts are tuned a bit more

first is 10900K vs 11900K, second is10900K vs 5950x

[mild jackal]

You can just remove the embed with <> or manually if you need people to click to the timestamp

[waxen panther]

Hey mate @hollow thorn

It doesnt still give q display

It could be a gpu problem right?

Im going tk get it rma'd tommoroe

[silver lotus]

what motherboard for i7-10700kf?

[boreal umbra]

z590 UD if in USA

[silver lotus]

how about australia @boreal umbra

[boreal umbra]

let me check

[silver lotus]

ok

[boreal umbra]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/YJ8bt6/gigabyte-z590-aorus-elite-ax-atx-lga1200-motherboard-z590-aorus-elite-ax

this

[silver lotus]

thx

[hollow thorn]

I mean, I personally like how you can play the video within discord, so I left the embed up

[hollow thorn]

lots of things still

It is plugged into the GPU, right?

[devout moth]

Moulando Barman#4957 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Moulando Barman#4957 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[waxen panther]

Yep

[noble rampart]

do I have to pay for an asus rma?

[cursive epoch]

RMA is always free

[noble rampart]

ok

do I need to send in the warranty card?

[cursive epoch]

Just send everything in the box back

[noble rampart]

everything?

it is just the motherboard

the vrm heatsink is bent

and the rgb stip on the board doesn't light up in the right colors

also I have had some problems with memory not working at the right speed, though I think it might be attributed to bad memory

another user recommended that I rma it

because the vrm heatsinks are bent

[dense frost]

how bent?

[noble rampart]

supposedly usually that is indicative of further damaged

[noble rampart]

pretty bent

ok

[cursive epoch]

Can't you just take pics?

[limber dragon]

The fins are bent facepalm

[cursive epoch]

Ah bent fins

[noble rampart]

yes

sry

didn't know terms

[cursive epoch]

yeh the mobo defo needs rma lel

[noble rampart]

ok

I RMAed it

another thing was that the rgb was terribly off (white would be light blue and red would be purple)

[devout moth]

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[finite elm]

Dang, the 10700k is going up in price lol

Went from 230 to 250 at microcenter. Compared to 320 on wegg and Amazon lol

[vast meadow]

Still good deal though

[finite elm]

I just wanna build an Intel PC for fun 😞

[cunning ingot]

buy a 10900K on hardwareswap for $350

[cyan raft]

I was also thinking of doing that until I needed a new workstation

[finite elm]

What are you planning on getting for a workstation?

Worth the risk? 🤷‍♂️ It doesn't say box only anywhere on it

[main pulsar]

look at seller age and reviews

[cursive epoch]

^

[finite elm]

Nevermind lol.

I read the fine print

[cursive epoch]

So it's a scam

[main pulsar]

needs at least 1000+ stars and older than a year

[finite elm]

It's damaged

[main pulsar]

for that kinda price

oof

[cursive epoch]

lmao damaged

[finite elm]

Yeah, they said it's missing capacitors or something 🤷‍♂️

[grizzled bloom]

How is it missing capacitors? That's not damage, that's intentional

[split copper]

my lenovo board has unpopulated vrms

vrms, usb 3.0 header, and chipset heatsink

[limber dragon]

time to rma this board because it has missing phases?

[grizzled bloom]

Excluded by design is one thing, missing implies that there were some there previously

[chilly bronze]

Hello guys, I have a problem. If you don't mind me asking it here:
I have the Gaming Laptop "Acer Nitro 5 AN517-52". It has a USB-C port but I need a thunderbolt port (another version of the same laptop has it). The only solution I have found is to buy another motherboard but I can't find the right one. Could any of you help me out pls?

[dense frost]

Sorry to say, but thats not a solution. Unless you are comfortable with desoldering your processor and soldering it back to the new motherboard.

[chilly bronze]

I don't really know but I talked with an IT solution shop and they told me they could do it if I find the right motherboard, would that work?

[dense frost]

Honestly, no. Laptop motherboards are not a common thing.

Your best bet is selling your laptop and getting one with a thunderbolt port

I dont know why your local IT shop would tell you that

[chilly bronze]

Thx for the information, it really cleared things up for me

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[quartz zinc]

I heard somewhere that 2 sticks of memory were better than 4.

Should i go with 2 sticks of 16 or 4 sticks of 8

[burnt spear]

Sometimes 4 can be better but for the most part go with 2

Atleast thats what I remember people here saying

[quartz zinc]

What if i ran the 2 sticks of ram in dual channel and use dummy ram in the other 2 for rgb effect

[mild jackal]

Depends on your budget, use case, cpu/mobo, there's a gamersnexus video on it with more info

Two dual rank sticks will give the same performance benefit / induce the same extra strain on the memory controller as four single rank sticks

[quartz zinc]

No budget, gaming/overclocking, 10900k, msi z490 carbon wifi

[burnt spear]

Why 10900k over 10850k?

[quartz zinc]

Oc performance

[burnt spear]

Ah

[quartz zinc]

Im not settling

[mild jackal]

Any of these are some of the best dr b-die you can buy, avoid the ripjaws. https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007611 601275378 600531833 601301279

I'm picking up some of the trident z kits myself

[burnt spear]

Yeah I see tridentz everywhere

[mild jackal]

Don't buy these to run them at xmp

[burnt spear]

Hardwareswap a lot

[mild jackal]

Tridentz/royal/ripjaws is just the heatspreader design, like a livery

[burnt spear]

I know

The actual speed and cl differ

[mild jackal]

Yeah, if you're at all interested in overclocking - definitely go 10900k, worth the extra $100 or whatever

[vast meadow]

Why avoid ripjaws?

Not as good bin?

[mild jackal]

Just the ripjaws SKU in the link I posted

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[mild jackal]

It's also more expensive, lol. But it's usually $290 vs the $320 tridentz rgb

[vast meadow]

Odd the ripjaws is so much more in that one

[mild jackal]

Out of stock, 3rd party seller

[vast meadow]

Ahh

Damm 3rd partys

[devout moth]

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[naive pendant]

when you use two 32gb, one 4gb and a 1gb stick of ram

clk Nice

[burnt spear]

Does that even work?

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[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/mRWLYAGaWQ0

At one point they had 28GB of memory running lol

[burnt spear]

For why though

[grizzled bloom]

Just a fun video. He was trying to show how if you mix memory kits they run at the slowest kit's speed but some interesting results came up.

[burnt spear]

No not the video lol

[grizzled bloom]

Like why mix memory sizes? Because you can lol
Modern controllers are very forgiving

[vast meadow]

Mixing capacities just seems so wrong

[finite elm]

I have an older PC with 2x4 and 1x8 lol 🤷‍♂️

Need to find a recycler to get rid of it tbh

[burnt spear]

The dump near me has an electronics section

They recycle them

[cunning ingot]

heh.

[dim cloak]

So essentially i could run two 3200mhz and two 2666mhz all at 2666mhz with 32gb of ram?

[cunning ingot]

shre

sure

[grizzled bloom]

In theory yes

[dim cloak]

Hmm might just try that lol

I still have my old build that im trying to sell to a friend but hes being slow on buying it... That system has 9400f and 1660 for $600 with a 500gb ssd and a 2tb hdd like thats a deal imo

[grizzled bloom]

That is a good deal indeed, even used

[dim cloak]

I used it for two and half years like i had no issues and i had cleaned and reapplied the thermal paste on cpu and clean all the fans and filters

[devout moth]

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[tawdry pebble]

any ideas about budget b550 matx/itx mobos?

[cursive epoch]

get the pro-vdh from msi

if you want wifi it does have wifi version

[tawdry pebble]

what about the b550m elite?

[cursive epoch]

That's also a decent board

[tawdry pebble]

i can buy a refurbished one for 25 euros less