That makes a lot more sense
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
vast meadow
hollow thorn
clear cmos time then
tawny mica
i did
vast meadow
Does the cpu you have have integrated graphics or do you have a dedicated gpu?
hollow thorn
they should have uhd610
tawny mica
I think it's integrated graphics
I even took out the battery for 24 hours and it still doesn't turn on
hollow thorn
did you unplug the computer?
tawny mica
Yes
hollow thorn
sad
tawny mica
I tried mostly everything from google
And since I waited to build my computer my motherboard order is 75 days old which I think is past the return policy for newegg
hollow thorn
no debug LEDs
hollow thorn
It's just a matter of things not being connected for some reason or something is dead at this point
hollow thorn
The single stick should be in a2 but worth a try if a memory channel is dead for some reason
could be worth re-seating the CPU, maybe not good contact
tawny mica
Hmm
Okay I will try those
It didn't work
Thanks for your help though
I guess I got screwed
hollow thorn
did you reseat the cpu?
hollow thorn
you could try to RMA it with asus
tawny mica
do they accept returns like my situation?
hollow thorn
RMAs aren't returns, it's like you're exchanging a broken one for a new one
Because it seems to be Dead on Arrival, not your fault
cyan raft
RMAs aren't returns, it's like you're exchanging a broken one for a new one
Or they fix the item
steady wigeon
What are some ways to tell if a motherboard is good or bad?
I mainly just look at the reviews for a motherboard, but the ones I pick are seen as awful by other people
limber dragon
just post it here, reviewers are mainly just "does it boot? Yes? Its a good mobo"
rugged crow
is there any cpu that won't bottle neck minecraft(vanilla) and 3090(like bring 3090 to 99% usage)...
grizzled bloom
No. It's extremely cpu reliant and my overclocked 5800X keeps my 3090 around 35-40%.
burnt spear
^^
rugged crow
No. It's extremely cpu reliant and my overclocked 5800X keeps my 3090 around 35-...
which client did u use? and how much is the avg fps then?
burnt spear
Client doesn't matter
grizzled bloom
Java edition, vanilla. FPS will vary as the world chunks load but I'll get a new world and let you know.
burnt spear
It's the same for all minecraft, short of you ray tracing
rugged crow
Client doesn't matter
it does
ALOT
burnt spear
Laby vs default vs badlion will have the same usages
rugged crow
Java edition, vanilla. FPS will vary as the world chunks load but I'll get a new...
what about lunar client? give it a try(keep 8 chunks rende distance)
burnt spear
It's still the same game
And why does it matter anyways? I get like 400fps with a 3600 and 3060 ti
I'd care more about perf in other games
grizzled bloom
110-120 fps on 1440p max settings
burnt spear
There's no cpu you'll reach 0 bottleneck with a 3090 on minecraft
rugged crow
110-120 fps on 1440p max settings
hmm surprising. thnx
rugged crow
And why does it matter anyways? I get like 400fps with a 3600 and 3060 ti
im just being curious
rugged crow
There's no cpu you'll reach 0 bottleneck with a 3090 on minecraft
5950x isnt gonna be amd's last cpu u know.. better will come
rugged crow
yes
grizzled bloom
It'll be a couple generations before a game like minecraft that is heavily cpu bound will use a full 3090
rugged crow
okok
grizzled bloom
Even the upcoming zen 3 refresh won't make that much difference, maybe 10% if we're lucky
rugged crow
It'll be a couple generations before a game like minecraft that is heavily cpu b...
ya this conv is hgoing no where lmao..Thanks for responding
rugged crow
Even the upcoming zen 3 refresh won't make that much difference, maybe 10% if we...
the cpu with the highest single core performance.. that's what it needs
ok im dun
grizzled bloom
Here's some hard data for you, single thread performance ranked and the score difference between them https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
There's 100 points difference between my CPU and the absolute top, 3500 to 3600
Apple M1 doesn't count
mild jackal
Time to overclock 
grizzled bloom
I'm sure if I ran it myself I'd score higher, I'm just going by published results
rugged crow
Here's some hard data for you, single thread performance ranked and the score di...
Thank you SO much
rugged crow
Apple M1 doesn't count
ye
vestal wing
What's the best mobo to pair with an Intel i7 9700k🤨
dim cloak
Would say a Z390 chipset if you plan to overclock
mild jackal
Or coffee mod a z170/z270 
vestal wing
why are you getting 9700k now?
I saw one at a local store for 150 usd
I think it's pretty cheap
vast meadow
I saw one at a local store for 150 usd
Only get it if you can get like a board around that price too
severe skiff
best motherboard for threadripper pro?
warped musk
best motherboard for threadripper pro?
Asus ROG Zenith II Extreme
That's what google says
cursive epoch
yeah
rocky beacon
That does not support Threadripper Pro does it?
rocky beacon
That's for older Threadripper CPUs ain't it?
Also what do you need Threadripper Pro for?
cursive epoch
tr pro uses something else
swrx8 apparently
super expensive mobos
costs like 1k
vast meadow
@severe skiff why threadripper pro btw?
rocky beacon
WRX80 SAGE would be the best board
cursive epoch
inb4 "cuz 3090"
rocky beacon
Lmao
vast meadow
Isn't new threadripper coming in like a few weeks tho?
rocky beacon
Is it?
cursive epoch
gonna shred xeons again
vast meadow
Sad no tr pro on pcpp :l
cursive epoch
yeah it's
rare stuff
cause basically no one apart from companies will be buying em
vast meadow
Yeah, sadge
cursive epoch
the price makes my heart skip a beat tho
ik it's 64c/128t and all
but damn is it expensive
even mobo is also spensiv
vast meadow
even mobo is also spensiv
Funny thing is no chipset even
cursive epoch
huh, it has no chipset?
vast meadow
huh, it has no chipset?
Tr has no chipset full stop
cursive epoch
wow
vast meadow
Just all to the cpu
cursive epoch
999 bucks
well yeah they better give us a screwdriver if the mobo is 999
it has wifi
why am i surprised
vast meadow
Only 16 usb ports?
cursive epoch
yeah
dense frost
super stealth build in this. zero RGB. even all LEDs should be painted with a black marker
severe skiff
<@216505248372490252> why threadripper pro btw?
its what i currently have
dense frost
Tr has no chipset full stop
relly? dang!
severe skiff
i bought the lenovo workstation it came with and upgraded the rtx quadro to a 3090
yeah ive been looking at the asus wrx80 mobo for a while now
cursive epoch
what quadro did it have?
dense frost
are you sure your dell chassis will accept standard motherbaords?
severe skiff
im upgrading to a new case
dense frost
oh, well thats good
vast meadow
its what i currently have
Fair enough just spensive
nimble olive
Hey so im@having trouble with booting speed and my games will not load such as rainbow six siege granted I do have a hard drive but it has never been this bad would anyone maybe knwo my problem I’ve tired cleaning updating everything and still no luck
Also I use my pc rarely this is the first tome in like 7 months I’ve played on it
burnt spear
Hey so im@having trouble with booting speed and my games will not load such as r...
Probably should run a chkdsk
Also this isn't the storage chat
Type "command" into the windows search bar, right click command prompt, and click run as administrator
From there a black box should pop up on your screen
nimble olive
Ok thank you
craggy bobcat
Hey I have an intel CPU, the top side of the substraight has a minor chip in the corner of it, will it still work?
cursive epoch
Hey I have an intel CPU, the top side of the substraight has a minor chip in th...
Can ya dm me the pic?
I'll look for you
turbid forge
Anyone have experience with the Aorus x570 Master MOBO constantly crackling/popping with USB Audio devices? Drivers don't seem to help at all so just wanted to see if anyone had a success story 😆
vast meadow
Anyone have experience with the Aorus x570 Master MOBO constantly crackling/popp...
Have you tried updating the bios? And making sure it's not just one port on the board, as well as trying the device on a different pc/laptop to make sure its not the audio device that's broken
grizzled bloom
USB issues are platform level for Ryzen, and happen more on X570. Pato is right, bios update usually helps.
turbid forge
I'll take a look to see where my BIOS is currently and will let you know results. (Sadly it does seem every usb port is the same) let's pray to the BIOS gods
cyan raft
Anyone have experience with the Aorus x570 Master MOBO constantly crackling/popp...
Thats a common problem with the X570 aorus master
Ive talked to other guys on audio and recording related servers and all of them that had an aorus master x570 had problems with USBs dropping in and out
@turbid forge
I dont have the board so i cant test it but i didnt have those problems on any other x570s ive used in the past
steel marsh
wtf is this
which cpu does that support BRUH
threadripper?
this stuff is mad bruh
grizzled bloom
Yes threadripper
loud escarp
Pc powers on np with a 650w psu, but will not with a 850w or 1000w psu. Bad resistor on the mobo?
reef iris
I bought a kit of 32gb 3600 Mhz Patriot Viper Steel RGB. Using a Ryzen 5 2600 and the pc won't boot if I have the xmp profile on. I can't clock the memory to anything over 2666Mhz
Anyone know a fix?
grizzled bloom
Zen+ IMC can't handle faster than 3200 usually
You can do a full manual tuning but that'll take a lot of time and effort
reef iris
I can't even get it to run 3000
reef iris
You can do a full manual tuning but that'll take a lot of time and effort
Would I have to calculate timings just for 3000 Mhz?
grizzled bloom
Yes
reef iris
Wow
grizzled bloom
You can't just turn up the speed and cross your fingers
grizzled bloom
You can try setting it to 1.35v, 3200 speed, with these primary timings and see if it boots
reef iris
You can try setting it to 1.35v, 3200 speed, with these primary timings and see ...
Ooh I'll definitely try that when I finish up what I'm working on
Thanks
turbid forge
Ive talked to other guys on audio and recording related servers and all of them ...
That's a shame. I spent a couple hours today trying to update the BIOS but all to no success. Went through the process but stayed as f30 vs the latest of f34 for the firmware. Going to take a crack at it again tomorrow and see if the qflash process works out. It's a shame about the board since the rest of this build is mint 👌
steady wigeon
How can I tell if my mobo is compatible with PCIe 4.0?
cyan raft
What mobo is it?
steady wigeon
Not really sure. It's a prebuilt from 2018
grizzled bloom
What processor did it come with? That can be a clue
steady wigeon
Intel i5-8400 2.80 GHz
grizzled bloom
Nope
steady wigeon
welp, looks like my SSD will be capped. that's a shame
cursive epoch
welp, looks like my SSD will be capped. that's a shame
Not actually, pcie 4.0 isn't even utilized lol
Any consumer SSDs won't saturate pcie 3.0 right now
Or in the future as the m.2 form factor is the limiting factor for how much heat they can put out
They're tiny, so they're dense
They could only get so fast before they have to rely on say, liquid cooling
Which some SSDs are already doing that
grizzled bloom
Any consumer SSDs won't saturate pcie 3.0 right now
On sequentials some can, but that's a rare case
cursive epoch
ye
That's a rare case
But sequential doesn't really matter in real life usage tbh
Randoms sure will probably never hit that limit
grizzled bloom
Oh yeah the controller is usually the limit there, occasionally the nand itself
cursive epoch
ye
oblique crown
Bon jour and a question, thanks for the help.
Does 5900x have hyperthreading, I need that for a game 😛
I mean I need to know if it has or it doesn't, so I know what settings to use.
vast meadow
3 dimm slots for ram interesting
vast meadow
Does 5900x have hyperthreading, I need that for a game 😛
Yes it do
vast meadow
Np
dense patio
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B088B66PL6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_R7TCSJJ66AMKJEK6Y33C
How good are these things? Can they be trusted for what it is? I've always hated the way the cable comes straight out from the motherboard because it's just awkward to try and cable manage it
scenic solar
woven creek
guys i think i need a driver update
vast meadow
I think you need an everything update
grizzled bloom
That's just a default date, processor driver doesn't get updated
cursive epoch
^
vast meadow
That's just a default date, processor driver doesn't get updated
Meant a pc hardware update xD
grizzled bloom
Well yes that too
vast meadow
nice 370 board
It's my grandads, asus x something
vast meadow
<:Chef_Kiss:661280445325115402>
Damm
vast meadow
nice 370 board
On the back it has throttling as a marketing point, and had 333mhz cpu on the back too
Ddr 400 was well or something lol
steel marsh
3 dimm slots for ram interesting
that looks ugly
vast meadow
that looks ugly
Does this look like its modern in any way lel
vast meadow
That would be single channel x3
vast meadow
pretty sure its a ddr board
finite elm
@vast meadow is this board overkill for an 11600k?
I got the board in a bundle. Trying to figure out if I'll use it or sell it.
vast meadow
<@191276897227898880> is this board overkill for an 11600k?
which board ?
limber dragon
its fine for a 11600k
vast meadow
No harm using it like, but also it would be perfectly fine on a 160$ board
finite elm
Why would anyone need 4 gen 4 m.2 slots?
vast meadow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
finite elm
Would using it for a 10850k disable those like on some boards or would it drop down to gen 3?
grizzled bloom
Why would anyone need 4 gen 4 m.2 slots?
RAID 10 
plain copper
so I bought the
ABS Master Gaming PC - Intel i5 11400F - GeForce RTX 2060 - 16GB DDR4 3000MHz - 512GB Intel M.2 NVMe SSD build and I was wondering what HDD's are compatible with the cables provided in the build and what else I might need to get in installed IE cables I would need to purchase and whatnot. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
also what size HDD because I purchased a 1tb seagate Barracuda HDD and it did not fit in the tray nor where the cables compatible.
grizzled bloom
Any sata drive should fit, and there's also M.2 slots. It's just a matter of finding where they go.
The tray that the HDD didn't fit on, was it the one on the back of the motherboard or under the bottom shroud?
limber dragon
Why would anyone need 4 gen 4 m.2 slots?
I just built a pc for a customer who needed 4 gen 4 drives in raid 0 for stupid fast IO storage
loud escarp
What kind of test can I do to see if my socket is getting power from the cpu power connections on the mobo itself?
For context I've been trying to get my computer back up after having an issue with it powering on. I've gotten it to turn on and light up but the debug lights are showing that there's no cpu installed, I've tested the cpu in another system and that system boots right up and the bios recognizes exactly what cpu it is
limber dragon
its most likely not just power, but detection of some sort on the motherboard
loud escarp
Turning on the system and letting it run for a second, my debug lights stay lit on the one for cpu, my debug screen stays at 00, and the cpu doesn't heat up at all (booted with no cooler on as I've been trying different cpus)
coral moon
Have you checked The ram?
loud escarp
@coral moon repeated ram, removed cmos battery, replaced cmos battery, tried different cpu, tried different psu. Almost everything I can and still shows as no cpu detected
coral moon
@loud escarp have you checked to make sure the socket on the motherboard is getting power?
loud escarp
That's what I'm asking how to check
I would assume not because the cpu is still cold to the touch after about 3-5mims of the system being on (tested with no cooler attached)
coral moon
Do you have access to a second power supply?
loud escarp
3 at my disposal and same thing for each. System powers on but cpu stays cold with debug saying there's no cpu detected
All 3 are different wattage and brands
coral moon
Do you have access to different CPUs?
loud escarp
The one in system and another. Both worked as both showed up in the second system's (one I've been using to test the cpus) bios and are recognized. Both are totally fine in the second system
coral moon
Have you tried different rem?
loud escarp
I've got a 4x 8gb kit from crucial and a 2x 8gb kit from gskill
Both show up and function in second system, both have their rgb light up and have no burnt pins
coral moon
What mother boy is it?
loud escarp
So it's gonna make a lot of sense
My system has a x570 aorus master Rev 1.2
Second system have a asrock b450m steel legend
coral moon
Can you get into the bios?
loud escarp
On the x570 I cannot
coral moon
@loud escarp It’s possible the sockets damaged making the motherboard dead
What happened when it stopped working?
I’ll let you know if I come up with anything new but I think your out of luck
loud escarp
@coral moon a few nights ago I powered down my system cause I was gonna be gone for a while, I come back about 6 hours later and go to turn it on when it just didn't want to turn on at all
devout mothBOT
BloodKiwi = ブラッドキウ#9166 has been kicked
humble wasp
What is the best and cheapest intel itx mobo
vernal cosmos
What is the best and cheapest intel itx mobo
Those words dont go together
humble wasp
_<
vast meadow
What is the best and cheapest intel itx mobo
For what cpu?
humble wasp
10400f
humble wasp
For what cpu?
^
humble wasp
No
vast meadow
Where?
humble wasp
Gc
vast meadow
Gc?
vast meadow
Like what site would you use to buy the board ?
humble wasp
Newegg or amazon or any site that deliver to my country
Cuz i planning to minimize my current pc
vast meadow
Then the board i just sent
vast meadow
No, just get that one anyway, it's the cheapest b560/h570/z490/z590
Only boards that don't lock the ram speed
humble wasp
But someone told me when u will upgrade u will need to change a-lot of things
humble wasp
Like i put more money to buy those mobo
And then when i will upgrade like to batter cpu or gpu i will need to buy another one
vast meadow
Can you return it lol?
humble wasp
Can you return it lol?
What that i can return?
vast meadow
The ram
humble wasp
I will take all the things and put it to itx
Case
Do B&H ship to my country
Or only us
vast meadow
Idk
humble wasp
Ok
vast meadow
In stock in newegg same price
humble wasp
So h510 is the choice
vast meadow
It will do
humble wasp
What the ram speed do?
vernal cosmos
b560 best tbh
vernal cosmos
What the ram speed do?
increses the speed of the ram
humble wasp
So i can know what i will lose
Yeah put what the different i will get from 2666 to 3200
vast meadow
increses the speed of the ram
Not if all they have is 2666 ram lol
humble wasp
Decent amount 1 sec
What do u mean
vast meadow
Noticeable amount of difference
vernal cosmos
Not if all they have is 2666 ram lol
I was talking if they had b560
vast meadow
Yis
humble wasp
What would u go for
vast meadow
Depends if you are gonna buy new ram
humble wasp
If it’s u
Like for u
Which one you will do
Only mobo h510
Or 560 mobo and 3200 ram
vast meadow
Up to you
humble wasp
I know put for u
vast meadow
I would do b560 and new ram if you can but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vast meadow
Wether it's worth it or not is different q
humble wasp
🤦🏽♂️
vast meadow
If you wanna upgrade to like a 10700 or 10900 it something in the future
Then b560
Now and keep the ram you have if you need
humble wasp
Until today I don’t need that upgrade coz i am only surfing internet and playing 1080p 165fps game
Not streaming or any this
crude tree
Did he kick?
vast meadow
Bots
cursive epoch
?
vernal cosmos
you enabled docp or xmp?
earnest rover
Yup
I used ryzen master and set auto oc
It's only after doing that the ram speed in windows changed to 3200
vernal cosmos
ryzen master and auto OC is garbage
earnest rover
But in bios it's 2133
vernal cosmos
set to default and uninstall ryzen master
earnest rover
Ok
earnest rover
By throttle you mean hang back a bit till it's cooled
vernal cosmos
yeah drop speed
vernal cosmos
Changed. Now gotta wait a few minutes to boot back up
if it takes a few mins to boot you dont have an ssd
if you have a hard disk in the system theres a large chance you installed to that
earnest rover
More sata 6 I should say
earnest rover
Ok when it's done loading
vernal cosmos
send me a screenshot of this screen
earnest rover
Ok
Still waiting
Gonna install discord on it so the ss will be alot more informative
here
Wait you wanted the ss of the cpu tab
earnest rover
yeah when i went into bios the pbo was set to auto i selected enable
vernal cosmos
docp?
vernal cosmos
yeah i just went higher to see if it will post
dont
docp on everything else ram related should be on auto
earnest rover
so docp and let it select the freqency automaticly?
vernal cosmos
yes
earnest rover
ight sir lemme change that brb
Well selected auto for frequency it went straight to 2133
vernal cosmos
Well selected auto for frequency it went straight to 2133
go auto frequency and switch on docp
reboot back to bios after savoing
changes will take place then
vernal cosmos
ok
earnest rover
As for my mysterious extreme load times I'm at a lost
The only time my pc booted in few seconds was after the fresh install
After that every boot up is a 1 minute to 2
😫
misty pagoda
how do you feel to hvae 16GB of ram sir
errant grail
can z590 handle two graphics cars like 2 3080?
grizzled bloom
Yeah, even B560 could. As long as it has enough PCIe slots.
cursive epoch
And as long as you have a psu that can handle the power
If not you'll either have an unstable system or kill everything in the process
earnest rover
how do you feel to hvae 16GB of ram sir
Like 16GB ....
vast meadow
can z590 handle two graphics cars like 2 3080?
As long as the spacings for the x16 slots are okay and have like 3 spaces in between, no use doing it for gaming tho, only useful if you want to mine with them
steel marsh
can z590 handle two graphics cars like 2 3080?
please dont tell me you gonna try SLI bridging them
vernal cosmos
please dont tell me you gonna try SLI bridging them
3080 doesnt have an sli bridge
steel marsh
i know
vernal cosmos
vernal cosmos
nvidia stopped supporting it
sli bridge was a connector
its physically not present on a 3080
steel marsh
because nvidia stopped supporting it
vernal cosmos
because nvidia stopped supporting it
nvidia still supports it on gpus that have an sli bridge
so wrong
they still support it
steel marsh
not on newer ones
vernal cosmos
you cant start or stop supporting something that isnt a thing XD
so they didnt start or stop supporting sli bridge on newer cards
steel marsh
this is giving me english vocabulary exam vibes
steel marsh
so they didnt start or stop supporting sli bridge on newer cards
they just didnt include it anymore?
vernal cosmos
its physically not present on a 3080
.
steel marsh
ah i see
vernal cosmos
thats a 3080 PCB
2080 pcb
that up there is the nvlink bridge slot on the 2080
see how its completely missing on the 3080?
steel marsh
got it
vast meadow
<:Wut:776889662412947516> not on newer ones
3090 has sli
vernal cosmos
3090 has sli
nvlink right?
vast meadow
Yeah but same diff i think
vernal cosmos
nvlink is far better
its like the difference between dlss 1 and 2
sli bridge vs nvlink that is
vast meadow
Really?
vast meadow
Hmm
hollow thorn
that chart kinda bad tho
gv100 and gp100 are already better than 1080ti solo
who knows how much of the gain came from nvlink
vernal cosmos
gv100 and gp100 are already better than 1080ti solo
yes but you can see solo perf as well
hollow thorn
yes but you can see solo perf as well
yes but different cards comparing conventional sli and nvlink, where conventional sli card is much worse solo
vernal cosmos
fair fair
vast meadow
who knows how much of the gain came from nvlink
That's what i was thinking, wouldn't really make sense unless you get cards with equal perf solo
vernal cosmos
sadly that isnt a thing
vast meadow
Ik which kinda makes iffy
limber dragon
Turing and ampere nvlink is neutered compared to real nvlink, its closer to sli than nvlink
The "real" nvlink lets you share vram between cards
naive pendant
Can't see the ver number but for 4gbit dies that is good
vast meadow
For what cpu tho?
vast meadow
Ahh
If you're taking out any current sticks it's not a problem them
What speed are they tho?
humble wasp
Any one here have knowledge about gaming laptop?
hollow thorn
What about them
hollow thorn
What's your budget and use-case?
humble wasp
I need that is give me for shooter games 144mhz
Budget about 1100-1200 $
I think it will be batter for me for playing anywhere any time
I thinking to sell my desktop pc to get laptop
hollow thorn
This is an option
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16834233449
humble wasp
It is out of stock for my country
hollow thorn
where
humble wasp
Bahrain
humble wasp
3050? 3050ti?
humble wasp
Cuz like 200$ more
So if i buy 1660ti is batter than 3050ti?
But 3060 is the best option
hoary echo
What if, hypothetically, CPU riser cable?
hoary echo
what if you soldered every contact to the right one
cyan raft
And cooler mounting would be a pain
hoary echo
have the wires coated
polar fern
I’ve been noticing a good amount of FPS lag recently, and wondered if mobo drivers could cause this?
Haven’t touched the mobo drivers since I built the pc
south swan
Hey does anyone know if something like the Strix B-550-F (Linked Below) would be enough to properly accommodate a 5950x?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JXBhP6/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-atx-am4-motherboard-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming
limber dragon
because its cheaper than tr?
grizzled bloom
Because zen 3 TR isn't out yet?
vernal cosmos
if it isnt an epyc 7763 i dont wanna talk about it
jk but yeah 5950x very nais for workstations rn
vernal cosmos
Oh so you don't want to talk about the leaked data on the 5990x?
its omly a leak rn
il talk whjen its a real thikng
hollow thorn
no product yet
grizzled bloom
True, but the same data from multiple different sources means it's probably true
dense frost
Hey does anyone know if something like the Strix B-550-F (Linked Below) would be...
to answer your question: yes, the B550-F Gaming can handle a 5950X
cyan raft
because its cheaper than tr?
Nah I’m asking because I remember him asking first about a 5600x then a 5900x and now the 5950x
warped musk
For eg if a person need 32 gigs of ram
Is it better to have 2x16g or 4x8g ??
warped musk
ok
limber dragon
I'd personally go 4x8 if possible, so you 100% have dual rank
boreal umbra
Hey does anyone know if something like the Strix B-550-F (Linked Below) would be...
yes but i would suggest an aorus elite (v2) in terms of value. however iirc b550f has thicker pcb
south swan
Alrighty, thanks guys
boreal umbra
you dont need very crazy vrms for a 5950x
south swan
Nah I’m asking because I remember him asking first about a 5600x then a 5900x an...
True, my build started as me toying with the idea of a relatively budget gaming build. Then, out of necessity, quickly transformed into an actual need for a workstation.
mild jackal
If buying b-die - get this or anything with the exact same xmp numbers. Don't buy if you plan to only run it in xmp. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374189
trail crescent
@midnight pollen This is long overdue, but I just wanted to thank you for your chiming in when I was asking about thunderbolt port/PCIe bus bandwidth and debating between a Windows Build vs. a Mac Pro for my audio PC. I really appreciated your input as it's helped me evaluate the critical factors of this investment 🤘
coral owl
I've been wanting to get an SSD for my laptop to replace the HDD. Anyone know where to find a 1TB SSD for a laptop and the best way to go about copying all of the data?
hollow thorn
@coral owl what specific laptop?
Dif laptop dif compatibility things
Easiest way is usually just using software like macrium reflect
Just copy the partition
But copying windows weird
coral owl
Dif laptop dif compatibility things
Its 2017 omen laptop
hollow thorn
Specific model?
coral owl
Specific model?
give me a sec
coral owl
Specific model?
15-ce0xx
hollow thorn
@coral owl do you have the model that already comes with a 128gb/256gb SSD or no
Manual isn't being very clear
hollow thorn
Alright, looks like any m.2 key m drive should fit in there
coral owl
Do you have a recommendation for a drive to get?
hollow thorn
What's your budget
coral owl
150 or so depending on what a decent one costs
hollow thorn
P31 1tb, arguably best gen 3 drive in general, is 130$
coral owl
Thank you for your help. I’m still new to PC building
hollow thorn
Windshields' nice list
https://github.com/windshields/Gamezoid-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md
hollow thorn
what
grizzled bloom
Pretty sure they mean the 10k rpm HDD?
dim cloak
nah just go for the 200k rpm hdd its so much faster lol
grizzled bloom
200k? Is it a jet engine?
finite prawn
Question for Ryzen 3 3300X vs 5 3600X - when looking at benchmarks, there's about a 20% difference ... but for things like gaming (kids mostly play minecraft and a few other non-AAA titles) - how much difference is that score really in playability? Would go on an X570 board with 16gb ram (building 5 computers so, looking for cast savings without sacrificing too much)
hollow thorn
You can save by going b550 boards too
grizzled bloom
First off, X570 can be worse than B550. You don't need the extra PCIe lanes and other addons.
4 cores vs 6 can be quite a big difference.
hollow thorn
and well, 3300x hasn't been a good price for quite a while
if you want to go on the relatively cheap end, an option is going intel and going 10400+b560
grizzled bloom
Many modern games can use 4-6 cores, and it's good to have some threads for background stuff like discord
finite prawn
no, I'll stick with AMD - personal preference
I thought the 550 was older tech, thus ... worse overall ... my main computer is going to be a Ryzen 9 with a 1080, still 550 vs 570?
grizzled bloom
Playing games like minecraft, those are heavily reliant on CPU speed
B550 is actually newer than X570
grizzled bloom
Yeah, these tech companies like to use a top-down approach. They start with releasing a few high end models and lower stuff comes later.
In this case with B550 being newer it can have an updated VRM layout, which can help with high end processors and overclocking.
And it doesn't have the USB dropout issues as much
finite prawn
nice, and cheaper 😄
my kids don't need anything fancy, just something better than the 10yr old computers they have
boreal umbra
sn750 isn't loud
i mean hdd
finite prawn
but my main computer, will be an upgrade from the i7-5820K system I have - so Ryzen 9 seems like a good bet
grizzled bloom
Even the 3300X will beat a chip that old, probably a FX chip?
hollow thorn
i mean hdd
windshields is ssd man tho
finite prawn
FX yes ... which is why I was comparing 3 vs 5, how much of a gain, seems like it's significant
hollow thorn
For your main computer, probably go zen 3, 5800x/5900x kinda thing
finite prawn
2 kids on FX, 3 kids on Gen2 i7s lol
hollow thorn
but r3 r5 r7 r9 branding doesn't matter as much as generation for gaming perf and all
zen 3 slaps, zen 2 is neat, zen+ is meh, zen sucky
vernal cosmos
r5 5600x beats the r7 3700x in some cases
grizzled bloom
r5 5600x beats the r7 3700x in some cases
Gaming specifically
hollow thorn
5600x beats 3700x in most cases in gaming
5600x beats 3700x even in multi-core loads in some cases
grizzled bloom
That extra cache gets put to work
finite prawn
I see - though not all CPUs identify Zen# - some have it listed, some don't so hard to know which is which ... doesn't look like there's an r9 Zen3 listed on Newegg
ca
grizzled bloom
AMD is really confusing with their numbering.
Zen 3 is the 4th generation, named 5000
vernal cosmos
zen was 1XXX
zen+ was 2XXXX
zen2 was 3XXXX
zen 3 is 5XXXX
apus dont follow that tho
finite prawn
gotcha - nice, yea newegg has it's own search for those vs the previous gens, that's why I missed em
ruby oak
is i3 10100f, gigabyte b460m ds3h and 2x8gb of crucial balistic 3200mhz cl16 running at 2666mhz cl 14 good?
vernal cosmos
depends
grizzled bloom
I'd do B560 so you can actually run that speed memory
vernal cosmos
price and use case
ruby oak
I'd do B560 so you can actually run that speed memory
brought before b560 release
ruby oak
price and use case
gaming and 122 dollars total
grizzled bloom
That'll be fine for some light gaming at least, but don't expect too much
ruby oak
oh i have rx 6800 xt asus reference
with full mesh and 1 intake and 1 exhast and psu acting like intake
grizzled bloom
You'll probably get a CPU or memory bottleneck in that case
ruby oak
You'll probably get a CPU or memory bottleneck in that case
but performance is good enough for me since i got it total at exactly 849-850 dollars
grizzled bloom
Yeah the GPU is great, especially at that price, but there will be a lot of games that don't run the GPU at 100% like it's supposed to because the CPU can't keep up
vernal cosmos
oh i have rx 6800 xt asus reference
ur not gonna get all the perf that you paid for with this gpu
ruby oak
Yeah the GPU is great, especially at that price, but there will be a lot of game...
i play apex on my 1440p 144hz but mostly on games like horizon and rdr2 i play on a 4k tv
grizzled bloom
Apex is heavily dependent on CPU
vernal cosmos
i play apex on my 1440p 144hz but mostly on games like horizon and rdr2 i play o...
apex gonna run bad tbh
ruby oak
apex gonna run bad tbh
its smooth but i didnt install msi afterburner
grizzled bloom
RDR2 likes to have a lot of threads, so it won't like 10100 either
ruby oak
RDR2 likes to have a lot of threads, so it won't like 10100 either
but its recommended specs is a 8 thread cpu?
not minimum
grizzled bloom
Those specs were published years ago, as games like this age they get more demanding. GTAV is a prime example.
ruby oak
ohk
but i play rdr2 on a controller so i see no stutters or i think its the controllers vibrate sension
grizzled bloom
You can run a monitoring tool while gaming to see how much the GPU is being used compared to the CPU
hollow thorn
afterburner is fun
grizzled bloom
The charts are handy yeah
ruby oak
but i think it bothers me a little
vernal cosmos
You can run a monitoring tool while gaming to see how much the GPU is being used...
real legends alt tab to task manager
hollow thorn
it'll drop tho
ruby oak
since u focus on the fps the graph 1% lows
hollow thorn
..?
vernal cosmos
it'll drop tho
it was a joke...
warped musk
You can run a monitoring tool while gaming to see how much the GPU is being used...
can u suggest some good monitoring tools
finite prawn
so if 550 can be better than 570, considering a r9 5950x and 1080, what should I really be looking for other than just the basic features (eg 2 m.2, wifi, bt, etc) for performance specifically - or does it not differ much despite the wide range of price points?
grizzled bloom
Afterburner has one built in, and hwinfo
hollow thorn
msi afterburner plus rtss
grizzled bloom
so if 550 can be better than 570, considering a r9 5950x and 1080, what should I...
For a 5950X at stock clocks, almost anything short of the cheapest cheap stuff will work. If you want to overclock you'll need to spend a bit more to have a good result.
hollow thorn
vrms are fun
vernal cosmos
dont get a 5950x if ur only gonna be gaming btw
finite prawn
I'll do stock clock for a good while, though has a "turbo" value on the CPU, I'm assuming that like RAMs XMP profile (OC but predesigned) and should be supported by most boards?
vernal cosmos
5900x better for gaming
finite prawn
yes, but there is streaming involved, so the extra threads for that
hollow thorn
nvenc is op for streaming
vernal cosmos
yes, but there is streaming involved, so the extra threads for that
not really necessary
hollow thorn
h264 not great
finite prawn
well then - ok lol
grizzled bloom
I'd say the boards in the $120-160 price range will do nicely, even for a little overclocking. It's a good sweet spot I think.
finite prawn
even with turbo/xmp on? cuz well .. why not 😄
damn, I thought I'd need like a 500 board at least
vernal cosmos
b550 aorus elite best bang for the buck imo for high end parts
grizzled bloom
Turbo is part of stock behavior, and XMP depends more on the memory controller in the CPU
hollow thorn
you can go for like b550 tomahawk kinda board if you really wanna oc
not that expensive
dense frost
you can go for like b550 tomahawk kinda board if you really wanna oc
good board
finite prawn
no, I don't intend to OC - I've fidled with it in the past, I just want to plug and play now 🙂
grizzled bloom
You can pick just about any of these boards and it'll work fine https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#xcx=0&c=145&sort=price&X=11809,20195&f=2
boreal umbra
windshields is ssd man tho
no care
hollow thorn
I'd say anything b550-a pro and above will work
grizzled bloom
I'm partial to the tuf gaming
grizzled bloom
Moral of the story: It's up to preferences
vernal cosmos
^
grizzled bloom
low profile, small form factor memory
dense frost
2 things a modern motherboard MUST have: good VRM heatsink, and intergated IO shield.
grizzled bloom
Think mobile phone memory
warped musk
Think mobile phone memory
ya i saw that in a laptop's specs
finite prawn
nice, thx a ton guys .. helped me save some $$ 🙂
grizzled bloom
Saving some green is always nice
hollow thorn
:)
finite prawn
specially when doing 6-7 machines lol
grizzled bloom
No kidding
grizzled bloom
what is lpddr4x ram
This gets into the more technical differences
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/lpddr4-vs-ddr4-vs-lpddr4x-memory-whats-the-difference/
warped musk
got it
vernal cosmos
2 things a modern motherboard MUST have: good VRM heatsink, and intergated IO sh...
technically the better a vrm, the lower the heat that is produced
grizzled bloom
*more efficient
vernal cosmos
yeah
dense frost
can we just say: good VRM setup to include the VRM and their heatsinks?
vernal cosmos
so you can get by on with a worse heatsync on a top tier board running the same settings and same clocks than a bottom tier board
grizzled bloom
We use VRM to include a wide array of components related to voltage regulation, so yes
hollow thorn
anyways, most reviews and sources will do testing for temp
not just what components
grizzled bloom
Temp is a decent indicator if you can standardize the testing
hollow thorn
buildzoid's biostar board was a good example of good parts on paper but horrible in practice
crappy powerplane
warped musk
5950x or 5900x for gaming?
grizzled bloom
5900X, it's easier to cool so it can boost longer
warped musk
should i take intel into consideration?
grizzled bloom
On the high end, AMD stomps them. 11900k is more comparable to 5800X.
Mid and low end, Intel is still strong competition due to value
hollow thorn
Yea
boreal umbra
LOVE BIOSTAR B560
burnt spear
LOVE BIOSTAR B560
Biostar makes some of the worst quality anything out there
The b450mh started failing like 5 months after it came In my pre built
vast meadow
Looks like their tryna be funny
pure sonnet
ay fellow gamers what cpu should i pair with a 3080 i got no clue
vast meadow
ay fellow gamers what cpu should i pair with a 3080 i got no clue
#rules no swearing or filter evading
pure sonnet
ion know what filter evading is but aight bet
vast meadow
Avoiding the filter, if you said that word by itself the message would be deleted
vast meadow
ay fellow gamers what cpu should i pair with a 3080 i got no clue
I'd go with a 5800x/5900x/10850k
pure sonnet
I'd go with a 5800x/5900x/10850k
say lessss bro thanks
vast meadow
You're welcome ?
boreal umbra
Biostar makes some of the worst quality anything out there
welp, you clearly havent seen the review.
its likely the only biostar product you should buy
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-aRA2R3UJelnQhBJEmA6eLbMAjZswATk3h8pcUH-dC0/edit#gid=2135375276 my friend rehg's tier list
hollow thorn
Perhaps they should help with this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1yPS3hj_K7EPT4RBWCyjdKNP56pnwDz-IgBc0975-FUg/htmlview#
Not sure if the link will work but ehhh
boreal umbra
Perhaps they should help with this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1y...
i mean @rehg
lemme invite
formal ice
3600mhz CL16 (crucial ballistix) vs 4000mhz CL18 (g.skill trident z)
10700k and Z490 MSI motherboard
grim field
i mean @rehg
Sure
grim field
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-aRA2R3UJelnQhBJEmA6eLbMAjZswATk3h8pcUH-...
Also to clarify this is just a vrm list
grizzled bloom
VRMs are the most important part of the motherboard that isn't 100% standardized
dim cloak
Well glad to know my mobo has decent vrms
vast meadow
3600mhz CL16 (crucial ballistix) vs 4000mhz CL18 (g.skill trident z)
I'd go ballistix
Or some 3200cl16 if you don't wanna ram oc
formal ice
Or some 3200cl16 if you don't wanna ram oc
I was leaning towards the ballistix. Saw the 4,000mhz kit and was debating. Just stacking my wishlist until one is on sale lol
vast meadow
can anyone suggest a good laptop
Budget and use?
warped musk
normal laptop
16gb ram
an i7
but all new laptops r giving an 1165g7
i am finding one with a h series
maybe a good battery life if possible
vast meadow
I was leaning towards the ballistix. Saw the 4,000mhz kit and was debating. Just...
Ballistix has one of the best memory dies(nice if you want to overclock) and is usually the cheapest 3600 so I'd grab that tbh. if you don't want to oc mem I'd just grab a 3200cl16 or 3600cl18 kit that's cheapest for a 10700
warped musk
for college purposes
cyan raft
I’d go for a Lenovo thinkpad
vast meadow
I wouldn't look for just i7 btw
Honestly I'd prefer something like a r5 5600h anyday over all but like the 11800h(i believe that's the name)
naive pendant
I have ASUS Prime X570 motherboard with R5 3600. Do you guys think ASUS Prime sounds too cheap and not reliable?
hollow thorn
..?
naive pendant
I mean...for ASUS Prime motherboard, how's the quality overall?
boreal umbra
I have ASUS Prime X570 motherboard with R5 3600. Do you guys think ASUS Prime so...
have you already bought them?
naive pendant
I'm using it now, but I see some feedback saying that it's better off to go for TUG Gaming or even ROG motherboard...
naive pendant
for a 3600, that motherboard works fine
I see...
boreal umbra
not recommended of course, but youve already got it
vast meadow
I have ASUS Prime X570 motherboard with R5 3600. Do you guys think ASUS Prime so...
Prime boards are fine but i wouldn't buy that board, youd be better off with a b550(m) tuf
boreal umbra
they already bought it lol
vast meadow
I saw that after i sent the message lol
boreal umbra
oh
naive pendant
next time, i'll aim for at least TUF Gaming motherboard. lesson learned
boreal umbra
next time, i'll aim for at least TUF Gaming motherboard. lesson learned
well i wouldnt go after a brand line per se,
once you decide to upgrade, who knows what new boards will come put
vast meadow
next time, i'll aim for at least TUF Gaming motherboard. lesson learned
Well next time things might have changed, and usually the chipet(b550 x570 etc ) is an important factor as well, so when you cpu upgrade, I'd recommend just asking here again for advice, but i wouldn't upgrade a 3600 for gaming yet
naive pendant
Well next time things might have changed, and usually the chipet(b550 x570 etc )...
yeah...maybe my next upgrade probably would be 5+ year later...
i guess i built my PC was kinda in rush bc the motherboard of my old build (ASUS Z87-K motherboard with i5 4650K CPU) died in February last yr...so I just picked whatever was more affordable at that time...
vast meadow
Fair enough
vast meadow
yeah...maybe my next upgrade probably would be 5+ year later...
I wouldn't wait 5 plus unless you use the pc fairly casually tbh but you might not want to spend more money either so
naive pendant
I wouldn't wait 5 plus unless you use the pc fairly casually tbh but you might n...
just being curious, how often do you guys upgrade or even rebuild the PC?
boreal umbra
i have a laptop
looking to build when ALDER LAKEEEEEEEE COMES OUT
OISUDOIUSODIUOSUDIOSUODSUIOSIDUISDJ
hollow thorn
Osu
hollow thorn
looking to build when ALDER LAKEEEEEEEE COMES OUT
Good luck with ddr5
boreal umbra
SHUT THE P UP
boreal umbra
Good luck with ddr5
isn't z690 supposed to support both ddr4 and ddr5
naive pendant
I wanna see how hot the Alder Lake CPU is heehehe
boreal umbra
arshia leak says 12900k better than 5950x
boreal umbra
Go make ddr5 oc guide
no I will no submit myself to pain that is ram oc
vast meadow
isn't z690 supposed to support both ddr4 and ddr5
Ddr4 on 12th is gonna suck, but it will be like some h610 boards that might, they did this with ddr3 to ddr4 and it sucked
boreal umbra
how come
hollow thorn
Lol
hollow thorn
no I will no submit myself to pain that is ram oc
Go do it so I don't have to try to do ram oc again >:D
vast meadow
just being curious, how often do you guys upgrade or even rebuild the PC?
I do bit by bit kinda, I've an r5 3600 but will probs go to 13th gen intel/am5 when upgrading
devout mothBOT
Aegis#5729 has been warned
hollow thorn
Tbf all we have to do is ask arshia and they'll tell us the magical numbers to change
Scam?
Scum?
naive pendant
AMD 6th gen Ryzen will come out next yr, right?
boreal umbra
AMD 6th gen Ryzen will come out next yr, right?
by then raptor lake will be out tho
or soon
hollow thorn
Who knows what kinda implementation will be used this time
brisk willow
hey question so the asus rog strix b550-e motherboard i have has terrible wifi and my friend's strix b550-f does too since the intel
internet chips are horrible. anyone have any advice on a similarly spec'd board that has actually working wifi? i spent almost a month rma'ing my board only to have asus send me a replacement board that still has the same issue
like my internet speeds are (at max) 3mbps download. great upload speed tho at 50 mbps
hollow thorn
Uh, Intel wifi chips are generally pretty decent, how is your wifi on other devices?
brisk willow
averaging around 30-40 mbps download
hollow thorn
Did you have antennas?
brisk willow
the chip is an Intel(R) Ethernet Controller I225-V
yeh, on wifi i get around 20 mbps
devout mothBOT
Prince_Locke#0031 has been warned
hollow thorn
Did you install drivers?
brisk willow
yeh made it worse
hollow thorn
Intel Ethernet gets slightly worse reputation
brisk willow
dropped down to barely 1 mbps
brisk willow
yep
the rma failed because of parts shortage which is fair but also the board they sent me as a replacement still has terrible ethernet ;-;
hollow thorn
Prob sent you back same board..?
brisk willow
nah, different serial number
hollow thorn
brisk willow
already tried it 😦
brisk willow
yep
hollow thorn
Sfc and dism?
brisk willow
what does that mean--
brisk willow
OH yeah asus support told me to do a clean install of windows and i did that??
hollow thorn
General fix for random windows problems
From an admin command prompt or powershell, run:
sfc /scannow
If that doesn't work, try:
dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
Then, try running sfc again.
Repeat as necessary
brisk willow
sick lemme run that real fast!
okay it said it found corrupt files and fixed them gonna do a restart
hollow thorn
Try it
hollow thorn
Hm
devout mothBOT
:XMARK6: anthonyyki, that command is disabled in this channel.
mild jackal
still getting around 2-3 mbps download 😦
Sounds more like a cable/router/switch/modem problem
cursive epoch
^
cyan raft
Could be your ISP throttling you down
Some ISPs love doing that looking at you Optimum
naive pendant
Question, should I get a motherboard upgrade or the oculus quest 2? Not sure which I want first
vast meadow
98% of the time a motherboard upgrade should only really go with upgrading the cpu
So unless you're running like an a520 board and a 5600x or something similar mobo upgrade usually useless
naive pendant
I forgot, had lots of numbers but it doesnt allow oc
burnt spear
Are you sure your cpu is limited at that?
burnt spear
Have you gone into a game or smthn with task manager showing cpu?
Do you mean 2900mhz?
naive pendant
Same thing?
burnt spear
I believe most mobos when they limit ram do it at 2666mhz or 2133mhz
naive pendant
But yeah says clock speed is 2900mhz
burnt spear
Ram is normally called mhz not ghz
naive pendant
Ghz* whatever term is better
burnt spear
Can you dm me what mobo you have?
naive pendant
I can after school
burnt spear
Would it happen to be biostar?
burnt spear
What cpu do you have?
burnt spear
What cpu do you have?
@naive pendant
naive pendant
I7-10700f
Base speed is 2.9 and turbo is 4.8
Turbo is enabled
But doesnt go past 2.9 anyways
burnt spear
Is turbo overclocking?
burnt spear
I'm not too familiar with max turbo
naive pendant
Turbo is the safe you can ""oc"" but without actually oc
naive pendant
Yeah but im tryna make it actually show its turbo readings
Aka 4.8 Ghx but task manager says @2.9ghz
Which in return bottlenecks my ram but its being limited by the mobo anyways
naive pendant
Bios is updated and gpu is gtx 1660ti gigabyte
burnt spear
Are you just gaming?
vast meadow
Its bottlenecking my system pretty hard at 2.9ghz
What cpu and motherboard do you have?
burnt spear
If you are then the cpu being limited doesn't really matter
burnt spear
What cpu and motherboard do you have?
10700f
And they can't check mobo rn
Some kinda msi that cost 70$
naive pendant
But my ram is being limited by like 1/4 of what I want it to run at
Runs at 2900mhz and not the 4000mhz speed, straight up doesnt allow me to go past 2900
burnt spear
Question
vast meadow
Some kinda msi that cost 70$
Probs like h410 then
burnt spear
Why get such expensive ram with a 1660ti as your gpu?
vast meadow
@naive pendant you in the us?
vast meadow
I mean you can't exactly buy those for cheaper anyway
vast meadow
That ram was prolly like 150$ for 2x8
Ehh you can grab 4000cl18 ram for like 90$
burnt spear
Really?
naive pendant
I ripped the cpu, mobo, and gpu from old prebuilt I ran for like half a year
burnt spear
Ah
naive pendant
For $1000 total with old components
burnt spear
Not bad
vast meadow
@naive pendant i woke get https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mgstt6/msi-z590-a-pro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-z590-a-pro or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CJ8bt6/gigabyte-z590-ud-ac-atx-lga1200-motherboard-z590-ud-ac if you want wifi/Bluetooth
naive pendant
Ill check it in a min
I have a mobi similarly picked out to that for like $160@vast meadow
Mobo*
So in the end, should I get a new mobo or oculus quest 2 first?
vast meadow
I have a mobi similarly picked out to that for like $160<@191276897227898880>
Which one?
naive pendant
Its some mobo I bookmarked on my pv
vast meadow
So in the end, should I get a new mobo or oculus quest 2 first?
A new mobo imo, will help a good bit
naive pendant
Pc*