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cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:32 PM

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That’s in sequential

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:33 PM

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yes of course

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as much as you think skh is not great

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what about monitor or keyboard

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im not sure about mouse

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Btw sorry if it takes a bit to respond sometimes, I’m running off of 2G internet rn

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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its okay

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im chatting with others at same time

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Pretty much everyone here with disagree with you about the SKH

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Random IO is really what you should be paying attention to

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:38 PM

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It is more affordable right now for me to focus on RAM/CPU/NVMe drive upgrades...Would I really see a framerate difference from such upgrades or should I wait until I can afford a better GPU than what I have now?

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:38 PM

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What GPU do you have now?

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:38 PM

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atomic fiber what about monitor or keyboard

Personally I don’t really know too much about monitors/keyboards so you’d have to wait for someone more knowledgeable than me for that

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:39 PM

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CPU = Ryzen 5 3600, GPU = Radeon RX 5500XT, RAM = 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3200MHz CAS16, NVMe drive = Samsung 970 EVO 1TB

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:39 PM

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Save up for a GPU

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:40 PM

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keen surge CPU = Ryzen 5 3600, GPU = Radeon RX 5500XT, RAM = 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3...

g.skill's timing is too high, but wait & buy nvidia 3070 ti

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:40 PM

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Definitely not a 3070ti

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The thing’s value is horrible

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I’d try finding a 3060ti, 3070 or 3080

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:41 PM

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I'm aiming for the Radeon RX 6700XT...I play games like Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Anno 1800, The Sims 3, Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor, Tropico 6, Shadow of the Tomb Raider...But I'm already getting decent framerates in all of them. Deus EX Mankind Divided is the lowest at 61fps

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:41 PM

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price of every component is horrible

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:41 PM

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The 6700xt is decent if you can get it for MSRP

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The 3070ti is $100 more than the 3070 for a difference of maybe 5%

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I’m talking at MSRP

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:42 PM

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What's MSRP for the 6700XT?

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:42 PM

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amd's opengl/vulkan performance is too bad

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:42 PM

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$450 I’m pretty sure

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It really isn’t

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:42 PM

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for example for red dead redemption 2 & doom

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:42 PM

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On Linux, OpenGL and Vulkan are the only options unless you use WINE

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:43 PM

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change your gpu & never buy an amd for gpu

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:43 PM

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Only two games I play that run on WINE or Steam Proton are Anno 1800 and The Sims 3. All the rest run natively on Linux thanks to Steam Play

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:43 PM

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CH I’m just going to say this, you have no clue what you’re talking about

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In doom eternal the 6700xt easily beats out the 3060ti

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Which is the Nvidia equivalent

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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just install pcsx2 (ps2 emulator) & check the backend & benchmark it

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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atomic fiber change your gpu & never buy an amd for gpu

On Linux it is the exact opposite. The nVidia drivers on Linux are pathetic, while the AMD Open-Source drivers are as good or even better than AMD's proprietary drivers

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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im talking about windows

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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260fps (6700xt) vs 216fps (3060ti)

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Well he is talking Linux

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Ubuntu 21.04, to be exact

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:45 PM

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why linux for gaming?!

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Even then on windows the 6700xt beats out the 3060ti on most Vulkan games

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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linux is incompatible with most of windows apps

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even when you emulate it

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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The biggest contradiction with Linux gaming has always been "Why make games for Linux when nobody uses Linux, and why use Linux when nobody makes games for Linux?" Fun fact is game developers like Feral Interactive, develop games to run natively on Macintosh and Linux.

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Also, I've been happily divorced from Windows since October of last year, because everything I need to do I can do on Linux.

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:47 PM

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you can't run any avid, autodesk & adobe products on linux without issues

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for example using 3ds max on linux is not possible

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Products I don't even use, so it doesn't matter.

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:48 PM

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how do you update firmwares of dslr cameras on linux

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Eww autodesk

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Linux works for what he does, end of story

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:49 PM

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The DLSR camera I use is so old that it was EOLed even before Discord was a thing

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:50 PM

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what about new cams

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:50 PM

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I don't use new cams because the DSLR I have is still by far the fastest shot in the west when you look at shutter release delay after autofocus lock.

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:50 PM

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webcams firmware of: ssd, gpu, mb, mouse, keyboard etc

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see

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the most important thing is: 3rd party support of apps

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:52 PM

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You’re honestly acting like a child rn, Linux clearly works for what he needs it to yet you’re bashing him because it doesn’t work for you

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Grow up kid

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:52 PM

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no

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Depends on what you do. My time is mostly spent gaming. The keyboard and mouse don't factor in as much because the majority of the games I play only depend on the mouse's optical resolution and polling rate. I don't use anything other than the default control configurations in the games

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:53 PM

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When you choose an operating system, you have to think about all its aspects, which is not a child's game!

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:54 PM

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I knew what I was getting into. I've been a full-time Linux user since the Ubuntu 9.04 days, way back in October 2009.

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:54 PM

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ok

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but dont forget that linux is not good for pro use

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:55 PM

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I've seen how Linux has evolved and how more and more applications are being made to run on Linux. With each new version of Ubuntu, there are more and more apps that can easily compete with Windows

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:55 PM

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but for servers, yes the best choice is linux

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Nope, you have to think about the features that you need

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Granted, for workstation/PC use, Windows still is more user-friendly and still has a wider range of apps, but I chose Linux to get away from Microsoft because if people really knew how corrupt Microsoft really was, they would run away, too.

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I remember years ago back when the Windows 8 mass exodus was going on, how Microsoft literally DEMANDED that Best Buy's Geek Squad LIE about the capabilities of Macintosh and Linux just to sell Windows, or risk losing the contract.

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:59 PM

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who really likes microsoft

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Even before that, when the European Union tried to levy the highest fine they could levy, against Microsoft, for Microsoft's refusal to let people delete Internet Explorer, Microsoft told the EU antitrust regulators to bugger off, then locked down Windows so that users could only use Internet Explorer

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 2:59 PM

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i do not like any company.

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you forgot to mention apple

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:01 PM

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Apple's sales strategy has always been "sell four year old technology at next year's prices, pass it off as new and never-before-seen, and bank on the customers being too gullible to know better"

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:01 PM

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all companies are thieves

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:01 PM

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Yeah and let’s charge 2k because our name “Apple”

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:02 PM

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but at least apple's hardware quality is good

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:02 PM

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But do you really want to deal with proprietary technology?

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:02 PM

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its exaclty like nvidia

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:03 PM

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That's the problem with companies like Apple. You're forced to use what they tell you to use and pay what they tell you to pay.

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Apple = Monopoly

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:04 PM

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nVidia has its own problems. Namely the fact it has shown contempt for Linux users, but nothing more. nVidia's Linux drivers leave a lot to be desired, and actually perform worse than AMD's open-source Linux drivers. AMD hardware has always worked better on Linux, while nVidia hardware has always worked better on Windows.

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:05 PM

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dlss, nvenc, physx, etc

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& lots of new AI sh...

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Which don't work at all on Linux, and if you do get them working, they are downright horrible

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AMD's FidelityFX technologies are way better on Linux

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:06 PM

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but problem is, no one is even using mac

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:07 PM

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There are even less PC Linux users, interestingly enough. Windows holds about 85% of the PC market share. Apple holds about 12%. Linux holds the rest.

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:07 PM

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i know

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check this

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https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide

StatCounter Global Stats

Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Globa...

This graph shows the market share of desktop operating systems worldwide based on over 10 billion monthly page views.

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:09 PM

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And for the record, Linux is the only one of those that can brag about never having lost market share.

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:10 PM

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no one even give a ... about legendary apple

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so what do you expect from linux

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what are those unknown oses

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https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/tablet/worldwide

StatCounter Global Stats

Tablet Operating System Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global...

This graph shows the market share of tablet operating systems worldwide based on over 10 billion monthly page views.

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Raspberry Pi and the like

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:14 PM

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a new os from rasp

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:15 PM

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Really for tablets, the Amazon Kindle and the Barnes and Noble tablet all use their own proprietary operating systems, which would fall under "unknown"

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The Raspberry Pi isn't an OS, it's a computer...If you want to call it a computer.

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To give you an idea, the Raspberry Pi is really nothing more than a credit-card-sized circuit board. CPU and RAM are hardwired and not upgradeable. Thing comes with a single USB port and a connection for a power supply.

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As for its purpose? That's only known by the people who actually have and use one. Those that don't use one, though, cannot make sense of its existence.

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:20 PM

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you mistaken me, I thought the operating system was released.

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:20 PM

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No. The Raspberry Pi is a computer, not an operating system. Most people use lightweight Linux distros on it like Slax or Slackware.

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:20 PM

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i know

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whats the propose of rasp

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:21 PM

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I don't use one. Like I said, its purpose is really only known by the people who actually have and use one. Those that don't use one, cannot make sense of its existence.

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The unfamiliar simply call it a "tinker toy"

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:23 PM

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😐

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Now...Tell me, have you ever encountered a situation on Windows where the boot loader got corrupted and the system wouldn't boot?

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:26 PM

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no

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:28 PM

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atomic fiber no

In Linux, if you can still get to the bootloader's menu, you can get into the bootloader's config file and fix it. What it will do is attempt to boot into a "safe mode" that will then allow you to go in and do things like repair broken "packages" (apps in Linux), troubleshoot the graphics drivers, and other things, then update the bootloader with the fixes

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Another thing I can do in the bootloader configuration file, is I can tell it to enable or disable the hard drive TRIM capability, I can enable or disable the splash screen, and other things

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Also, using the command line, I can actually tell the computer to shut down or reboot itself at a later time, simply by issuing a one-line command

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For example, sudo shutdown -r +10 would tell it to reboot automatically in ten minutes from the time the command is issued

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:35 PM

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👍

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:36 PM

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To put it simply, Linux gives you almost total and unrestricted control over your entire system. This can easily lead to a bricked system if you aren't careful, though.

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And Linux uses system resources much more efficiently than Windows, as evidenced in Blender, which in some cases can be twice as fast on Linux as it is on Windows. This means that while GPUs like the Radeon RX 5500XT may be not worth using on Windows, they can easily hold their own on Linux.

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:40 PM

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Rip off cooler, rip off motherboard, bad ram, bad ssd for that price, weird ass case and wack psu

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That motherboard only worth it if you're gonna do liquid nitrogen overclocking

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:43 PM

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keen surge To put it simply, Linux gives you almost total and unrestricted control over you...

that mb was wrong, my mb is here

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:43 PM

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That’s a gpu lol

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:43 PM

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https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x570-e-gaming-model/

ROG Strix X570-E Gaming | ROG Strix | Gaming Motherboards｜ROG - Rep...

AMD Ryzen 3000 series ATX motherboard with Aura Sync, WiFi 6(802.11ax), 2.5G LAN, Intel 1G LAN, Dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 with heatsinks, SupremeFX and USB 3.2 Gen 2

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:43 PM

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That’s pretty good

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:43 PM

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atomic fiber https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x570-e-gaming-model/

It's a meh motherboard

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:44 PM

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why

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Really it’s meh?

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:44 PM

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@atomic fiber send me your updated list, and budget, I'll give you a better list and explanations to why

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:44 PM

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cyan raft Really it’s meh?

Poor value

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Good point

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:46 PM

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vast meadow <@473903041419149312> send me your updated list, and budget, I'll give you a bet...

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6qm4bh

System Builder

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:47 PM

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What's budget?

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:47 PM

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i want best quality for: 5900x 3080 & 32bg ram

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high-end

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:47 PM

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Like I said earlier, crucial Ballistix 3600 Cl16

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:47 PM

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^

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:48 PM

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And a Hynix P31 Gold

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:49 PM

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@atomic fiber you want wifi?

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:50 PM

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of course

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with bt

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:50 PM

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@cyan raft to give you an idea of just how good Linux is at gaming, although I'm not sure how much the CPU contributes, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, 1080p max settings, Ryzen 5 2600, Radeon RX 5500XT, on Windows, in-game benchmark ran a 62fps average. On Linux with the same settings on a Ryzen 5 3600 and the Radeon RX 5500XT, 81fps average

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:50 PM

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@atomic fiber rgb ram or no?

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:50 PM

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depends on the whole system

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:50 PM

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keen surge <@!480883524203839508> to give you an idea of just how good Linux is at gaming, ...

Oh yeah I know

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:51 PM

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Ok well imma add the rgb version anyway

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@atomic fiber how much storage

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:51 PM

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2tb ssd

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10 new games = 1tb

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:52 PM

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It looks like this @atomic fiber

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 3:52 PM

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cyan raft Oh yeah I know

That's a big part of why I switched to Linux. Because on Linux, even budget hardware can hold its own in most games.

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:52 PM

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Okay

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@atomic fiber https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h9cdRT here

System Builder

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Arctic liquid ii 360 because it's the best cooler

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Motherboard, can easily handle the 5900x with no performance difference and has wifi and bt

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:56 PM

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what about this

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https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-24gn650-b-gaming-monitor

LG USA

LG 24'' UltraGear FHD IPS 1ms 144Hz HDR Monitor with FreeSync™ (24...

Shop LG 24GN650-B on the official LG.com website for the most up to date information. Buy online for delivery or in-store pick-up.

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:56 PM

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Avoid LG monitors

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And 24” is fairly small

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:56 PM

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Ballistix 3600 because it's great

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Gigabyte make great monitors

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:57 PM

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are sure?

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Pilot e 2tb -great mass storage

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Yes

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:57 PM

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about giga

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:57 PM

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P31 1tb because it's the fastest asd

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:57 PM

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but enermax is good?

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:57 PM

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P500a because it performs amazingly and loads of space, can also top mount the 360mm rad

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:58 PM

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Enermax is really good

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:58 PM

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atomic fiber but enermax is good?

Yes, i didn't put a bad thing on their ;-;

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Enermax revolution df is an amazing psu

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:58 PM

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vast meadow Yes, i didn't put a bad thing on their ;-;

is it best-end quality

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this build i mean

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:58 PM

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Yeah it is

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Pato knows his stuff almost perfectly

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 3:59 PM

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you forgot to add: dac amp

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please please add mouse too

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 3:59 PM

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Mouse is personal preference

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 3:59 PM

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atomic fiber is it best-end quality

Yes

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:00 PM

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atomic fiber you forgot to add: dac amp

Idk about dacs

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And mouse is preference but i would go Logitech g pro super light

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:01 PM

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https://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blasterx-g6

Creative Store - United States

Sound BlasterX G6

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:01 PM

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The schiit jotenheim is really good

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Out of curiosity why do you need a DAC?

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:02 PM

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its too expensive

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i want mid range products from ultra high end brands

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😄

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https://www.madcatz.com/En/Product/Detail/bat-6-plus

Mad Catz official

MAD CATZ: Official Site - Dare to Lead

Mad Catz is the legendary brand for gaming peripherals and accessories, including mice, keyboards, headsets, controllers and mouse pads.

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:04 PM

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atomic fiber this build i mean

The build is literally the best of the best, just add a dac and, for mouse g pro super light in my opinion

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:04 PM

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cyan raft The schiit jotenheim is really good

its expensive

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150 usd is good for me

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:05 PM

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vast meadow The build is literally the best of the best, just add a dac and, for mouse g pro...

x570 please

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 4:06 PM

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atomic fiber x570 please

Why?

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B550 has better VRMs than X570 in general

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It also has pcie gen 4

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why u need X570?

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:07 PM

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^

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:07 PM

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whats really better when comparing b to x

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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atomic fiber x570 please

X570 is only better than b550 in a very few niche circumstances, read what rawr said and my list explanation above

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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vast meadow Arctic liquid ii 360 because it's the best cooler

@atomic fiber start reading here and you'll see all my explanations

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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vast meadow X570 is only better than b550 in a very few niche circumstances, read what rawr ...

Very niche circumstances and very niche boards

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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Yep

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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like 400$ + mobos

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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Both chipsets support up to Zen 3 so far. ... X570 uses a Gen4 chipset link, while B550 uses Gen3. That's because X570 has PCIe Gen4 lanes off of the chipset that are separate from the CPU's lanes, something B550 has 0 of. These are referred to as “general purpose” lanes and can be reconfigured into almost anything.

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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Yep

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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for LN 2 OC

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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atomic fiber Both chipsets support up to Zen 3 so far. ... X570 uses a Gen4 chipset link, whi...

No need for so far

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X570 and B550 will support zen 3 MAX

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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atomic fiber Both chipsets support up to Zen 3 so far. ... X570 uses a Gen4 chipset link, whi...

Chipset lanes are worse than cpu lanes anyway

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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PCie Gen 4 is still pretty much useless for general use

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 4:10 PM

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Pcie 4 is useless for 99% people

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the p31 gold shows that

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:11 PM

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USB 10Gbps 8 2

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Chipset Link PCIe 4.0 x4 PCIe 3.0 x4

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Once again this means nothing for you

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Chipset Link is a worse than cpu lanes and it’s useless for you

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:12 PM

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whats so important for encoding to h.264 using adobe media encoder

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:13 PM

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@atomic fiber you're experience with b550 will be the exact same as having an x570, actually no b550 will be better as it has better cpu power delivery in general

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:13 PM

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vast meadow <@473903041419149312> you're experience with b550 will be the exact same as havi...

yes vrm is very important

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:13 PM

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atomic fiber whats so important for encoding to h.264 using adobe media encoder

Nvidia graphics cards are great at encoding, just use nvenc to stream etc

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:13 PM

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…as stated before most B550s have better VRMs

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:13 PM

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atomic fiber yes vrm is very important

Hence getting b550 will be better for you lol

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 4:14 PM

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isnt h.264 cpu encode?

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Am i stupid?

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:14 PM

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no

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:14 PM

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vernal cosmos isnt h.264 cpu encode?

Yeah it is

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But usually encoding is just streaming/recording so nvnenc better

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:15 PM

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i use d3d 11 renderer for playing videos on mpc-hc & hw gpu d3d 11 for decoders

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Yep h.264 is cpu encode

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just verified

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:15 PM

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no

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:16 PM

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H264 is cpu encode

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:16 PM

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H.264 is cpu encode

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:16 PM

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you can encode using nvenc

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some gpu plugins is also available for doing it so much faster & lossless

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check adobe premiere pro & AME plugins

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:17 PM

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atomic fiber you can encode using nvenc

Already told you that, but nvenc is nvenc not h.264

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 4:17 PM

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atomic fiber some gpu plugins is also available for doing it so much faster & lossless

Losless encode isnt a thing unless capture card

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lets not kid ourselves

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:18 PM

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you can encode videos with x264 using lossless mode

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Yeah lossless really isn’t a thing unless you have a capture card

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 4:18 PM

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atomic fiber you can encode videos with x264 using lossless mode

"lossless"

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its pretty good quality

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not completely lossless tho

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:19 PM

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atomic fiber you can encode videos with x264 using lossless mode

It's not really lossless technically, but it might as well be yeah

keen surge Jul 7, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Also depends on what sample rates you use

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Or are you talking graphics encoding?

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:21 PM

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Nvenc/cpu encode vs capture card

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:22 PM

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not sure about x264 that is capable of hw accel

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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atomic fiber not sure about x264 that is capable of hw accel

it is

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:31 PM

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x264
Have you got CPU power to spare? Using a two PC stream setup? x264 might be for you! Like I mentioned before, the advantage of other encoders like NVENC is that they use a dedicated chip on the GPU to take the pressure off your CPU.
The less work your CPU has to do, the better your games will run and the less likely you are to drop frames while streaming. But there is a slight trade-off in quality, and the reality is that x264 looks better than both NVENC and AMF when given enough power to do its job.

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:37 PM

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atomic fiber x264 Have you got CPU power to spare? Using a two PC stream setup? x264 might be...

Nvenc looks just as good, if not better tbh

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:38 PM

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vast meadow Nvenc looks just as good, if not better tbh

whats your full specs (including headphones, mouse pad, etc)

wheat halo Jul 7, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Why do you care about his mouse pad-_-

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Didn’t know mousepad affected how the image looks

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:39 PM

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😄

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:41 PM

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atomic fiber whats your full specs (including headphones, mouse pad, etc)

Why does that matter lol? Headphones are betron, idk the model but really good for the €30 i paid for them , mouse is Logitech g403, mouse pad is qck thick

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For whatever reason

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:42 PM

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what about this https://www.akg.com/Headphones/Professional Headphones/K361-.html?dwvar_K361-_color=Black-GLOBAL-Current&cgid=Professional Headphones#prefn1=isRefurbished&prefv1=false&srule=price-high-to-low&start=1&sz=28

K361 | Over-ear, closed-back, foldable studio headphones

Over-ear, closed-back, foldable studio headphones

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Good headphones

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Also look into Sennheiser HD569s if you want closed back, HD559s if you want open

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:43 PM

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senn sold its consumer business

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:44 PM

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@atomic fiber did you check out the vids in #general-chat that i tagged you in for h264 vs nvenc encoding btw

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:44 PM

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yes of course

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:45 PM

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I would go with senheiser hd569s or something as well tbf the k361 looks like it would squish your ears tbh

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Keep in mind I’m a bit biased towards Sennheiser

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:45 PM

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But might be okay for you, i just have big ears lol

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 4:45 PM

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cyan raft Keep in mind I’m a bit biased towards Sennheiser

They make some nice headphones tbf

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:45 PM

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The HD800 S is just too good

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 4:46 PM

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👍

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what genre do you like the most?

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 4:51 PM

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I really don’t have a favorite genre

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I don’t even really use these headphones for listening to music, more for monitoring recordings

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 5:02 PM

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atomic fiber what genre do you like the most?

For pure music listening, imo sony xb900n's are Chef_Kiss

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At least for pop/rap/electronic type stuff

atomic fiber Jul 7, 2021, 5:06 PM

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& for games

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 5:16 PM

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atomic fiber & for games

Well i don't use my xb900ns for gaming but that's what my recommendation for just music listening is

small urchin Jul 7, 2021, 6:53 PM

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PC not finding nic, all I did was swap them from a different PC

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Yellow triangle over network controller

quartz zinc Jul 7, 2021, 8:26 PM

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i just need yall to confirm somethin

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do motherboards increase performance or anything???

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 8:28 PM

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no, but you need a mobo that can handle your cpu

quartz zinc Jul 7, 2021, 8:28 PM

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aight

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what if your motherboard cant handle your cpu?

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 8:28 PM

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quartz zinc what if your motherboard cant handle your cpu?

then it will throttle or crash

quartz zinc Jul 7, 2021, 8:28 PM

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aight

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so is it really necessary to upgrade my h370 to a z390?

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planning to put a 9700k in it

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 8:29 PM

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dont upgrade, if youre going to upgrade get a 10th or 11th gen

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or amd 5000

quartz zinc Jul 7, 2021, 8:30 PM

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k

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 8:30 PM

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they are outdated so no point upgrading to outdated cpu with outdated mobo

quartz zinc Jul 7, 2021, 8:31 PM

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so what about a 9900kf?

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 8:38 PM

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quartz zinc so what about a 9900kf?

Nope, no point as you would be upgrading to an old cpu and getting an old motherboard, you would be better getting a 10700 and z490/z590

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Or 10850k

vernal cosmos Jul 7, 2021, 8:40 PM

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^^

teal surge Jul 7, 2021, 8:50 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b550-aorus-pro-v2/p/N82E16813145271 good for 5800x? Or should I go with the x570 https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-x570-aorus-elite-wifi/p/N82E16813145165 if it all sucks I’m open to suggestions

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 8:51 PM

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teal surge https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b550-aorus-pro-v2/p/N82E16813145271 good for 580...

X570 not=better

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@teal surge msi tomohawk b550, msi gaming edge wifi b550, asus tuf b550

teal surge Jul 7, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Thank you

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Np

burnt spear Jul 7, 2021, 9:42 PM

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So I mixed ram kits and my pc kept blue screening bc of it, do yall think I could find somewhere to trade my set to an hp kit of 3600mhz (same kit I have, found for 40$ so I figured why not)

vast meadow Jul 7, 2021, 9:44 PM

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burnt spear So I mixed ram kits and my pc kept blue screening bc of it, do yall think I coul...

R/Hwswap

burnt spear Jul 7, 2021, 9:45 PM

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Yeahbbut idk if I'll find an hp kit there again

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Going to post there once this thunder storm passes and my internet comes back

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Eh I can use data

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Still, anywhere else you think?

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 9:47 PM

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What other ram kit did you use?

burnt spear Jul 7, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Gskill ripjaws

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3600mhz both cl18

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 9:49 PM

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Why not use the ripjaws instead of the HP kit?

burnt spear Jul 7, 2021, 9:49 PM

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Theyre both 16gb

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And the HP kit was in first and running properly

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So im just gonna air on the safe side

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And they're basically identical, idk why they don't work together

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Give the G.Skill a shot

burnt spear Jul 7, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Both cl18 3600mhz

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Might work might not no harm in it really

burnt spear Jul 7, 2021, 9:50 PM

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I really don't feel like opening my pc up again, I'd have to unplug about 12 cords

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Yeah I feel that

burnt spear Jul 7, 2021, 9:51 PM

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And I might just sell it and stick with 16 for now, even tho I kinda need more for streaming

cyan raft Jul 7, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Yeah makes sense

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Are you running both kids in the matching slots?

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Like A2/B2 and A1/B2

burnt spear Jul 7, 2021, 10:01 PM

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YEAH

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oops

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caps lock

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yeah

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well i was

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now the g skill is out

vapid mist Jul 8, 2021, 12:11 AM

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Man, i want a photonic computer now lol

fallen fractal Jul 8, 2021, 12:48 AM

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CPU idling low 50s sometimes ramping up to low 60s seemingly for no reason. Possible my thermal pad slipped or something under my AIO coldplate?

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To be fair I know now(years later after purchase) that my particular CPU is well-known for running hot as heck. 4th Gen Core i7 4770K

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But I do have a 240mm AIO, Corsair H100i v2

lone ridge Jul 8, 2021, 12:54 AM

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so I'm putting a pc together

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I'm using the b550 aorus elite ax v2

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which many people have recommended to me

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i had to update the bios so i plugged it in but the lights flashed for a split second then turned back off

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so i decided to put all the parts on then try again

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still nothing

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does anyone know why

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i know it's not my psu because i tested it

limber dragon Jul 8, 2021, 1:16 AM

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fallen fractal CPU idling low 50s sometimes ramping up to low 60s seemingly for no reason. Poss...

if you have a thermal pad between your cpu and aio, that's why the temps are high

fallen fractal Jul 8, 2021, 1:26 AM

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limber dragon if you have a thermal pad between your cpu and aio, that's why the temps are hig...

Perhaps there is a small difference in terminology. It’s one of these

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limber dragon Jul 8, 2021, 1:27 AM

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yeah, that explains the high temps

fallen fractal Jul 8, 2021, 1:27 AM

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Explain? I thought these are basically the same as paste within a few degrees

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At least according to GN

limber dragon Jul 8, 2021, 1:30 AM

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GN showed they were terrible, what are you talking about?

fallen fractal Jul 8, 2021, 1:31 AM

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I must be totally misremembering the video.

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It’s not a big deal anyway. I’m done with this cooler and CPU in a day or two

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But I suppose I’ll go back to paste

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Rewatching the video now. I feel like a crazy person

limber dragon Jul 8, 2021, 1:35 AM

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and real life is more like the uneven surface, since cpu ihs isnt flat

fallen fractal Jul 8, 2021, 1:37 AM

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Right

fallen fractal Jul 8, 2021, 2:24 AM

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So, after rewatching. I think my original point was still valid. I would hardly say they said thermal pads are “terrible” particularly in most normal wattage loads. They really only said it was comparatively much worse than paste in extreme examples of poor installation

lone ridge Jul 8, 2021, 2:46 AM

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okay so im returning my motherboard and buying a different one

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does anyone know motherboards that'll support the ryzen 5 5600x and the noctua NH-D15

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because everyone i find seems to need a mounting adapter including the one i had

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 4:08 AM

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I have the MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk and the Cooler Master Hyper 212 mounts right up. Unless the Noctua has a special adapter, you shouldn't have any problems.

lone ridge Jul 8, 2021, 4:36 AM

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im just going to get a mounting kit for the noctua

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ty though

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:29 AM

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How's 9320 on stock settings 3600 on r23? Mutli core ofc

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And 1238 single

wheat halo Jul 8, 2021, 5:37 AM

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Normal , people get around 9500 from what i have seen

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:37 AM

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9500 ocd?

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Or stock

wheat halo Jul 8, 2021, 5:37 AM

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Stock

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I saw some get 9200 some 9500 some 9400

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:37 AM

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'-' I had conflicting ram kits and removed one, boosted performance a good bit so figured it'd be about on par now

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So actually yeah about average

wheat halo Jul 8, 2021, 5:38 AM

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Yeah

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:38 AM

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Never mixing ram kits again

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Or buying gskill ripjaws for that matter lmao

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:38 AM

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burnt spear Or buying gskill ripjaws for that matter lmao

Whats wrong with those

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I use ripjaws

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10/10 ram

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:38 AM

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Prolly gonna try to trade it for a nice keyboard, mouse, or storage

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:38 AM

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vernal cosmos 10/10 ram

Maybe it was just the mixing kits

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But it corrupted windows

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:39 AM

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burnt spear Maybe it was just the mixing kits

what kits did you mix

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:39 AM

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Lowered my cpu performance

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:39 AM

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timings and brand

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:39 AM

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Make me format my drives because of windows corrupting

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Uhh

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Cl18 3600mhz hp and ripjaws

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:39 AM

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ew hp ram

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:39 AM

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Hp ran fine with a 3000mhz kit at 3000

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So it wasn't that

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Yeah I got it for 40$ with my mobo off reddit

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:40 AM

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so you did a 3000mhz kit with a 3600mhz kit

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:40 AM

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For a while

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Then upgraded thag to the gskill 3600

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The 3000mhz was from my pre build

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:40 AM

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What config were you running on the pc

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:40 AM

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Thay is now a full custom except for gpu and cpu that came from it bc skytech screwed me over

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As in ram settings?

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Xmp 3600mhz

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:41 AM

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like for example 2x HP 3000c16 @ 3600c18

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:41 AM

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Oh

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2xhp3600c18

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:41 AM

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like all the ram in ur system

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:41 AM

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It's default is 3600

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The 3000 kit was an oloy kit

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That's gone

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:41 AM

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burnt spear Hp ran fine with a 3000mhz kit at 3000

didnt u say hp was 3000mts

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:41 AM

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Nah the hp ran fine with a 3000mhz kit

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And ran the hp ram slower with it

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Because I had no clue how limiting ram speeds are when it comes to ryzen

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When I found that out I sold the 3000mhz kit and bought the gskill kit

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And that started the issues

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:42 AM

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so basically you had 2x 3600c18 hp and 2x 3600c18 ripjaws in the same system?

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:42 AM

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But the specs of the hp and gskill are identical

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Yes

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And I just took the gskill out earlier

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:43 AM

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burnt spear But the specs of the hp and gskill are identical

is the die identical

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:43 AM

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Fixed it immediately

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:43 AM

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thats what matters

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Download and run thaiaphoon burner

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:43 AM

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Actually good question, I definitely should've checked that lmao. One sec

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:43 AM

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8gb sticks yeah?

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all 4

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:43 AM

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Yeay

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32gb

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:44 AM

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Also btw 4 sticks are harder to run than 2 sticks on the imc so depending on the silicon bin even that could be an issue

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:44 AM

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The gskill ram isn't going back in my system

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Not after the havoc it wrecked

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So how could I check the die on that?

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It was also bought used

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:44 AM

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4x3600mts could be hard to run on the imc

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:44 AM

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Ima be honest

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I have no clue what that means

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Im still pretty new to pcs

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:44 AM

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4x3000mts is significantly easier

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:45 AM

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I got into them back in November

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:45 AM

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imc=internal memory controller

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:45 AM

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Ah

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:45 AM

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4 sticks put more stress on it than 2

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and 4 3600 sticks might overwhelm it

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if its bad

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silicon quality wise

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:45 AM

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Is that in the memoru or the mobo?

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Memory

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:46 AM

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4 3000 sticks are far far easier to handle

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:46 AM

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burnt spear Is that in the memoru or the mobo?

IMC is in the cpu

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:46 AM

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Idk I'm sticking with 16 from now on

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Ah

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I'm upgrading when ryzen 7000 series comes out

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And I don't want to deal with this ****anymore

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Deleted 2tb of files to fix windows

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Not to mention it's just been annoying af

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Just download and run thaiaphoon on the hp

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send a screenshot

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shut down

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put in the gskill stuff

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run thaiaphoon

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screenshot

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shut down

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so no corruptions

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:47 AM

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I'm not putting the g skill back in, sorry

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I cant risk it not the mention id have to unplug 12 cables both times

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:48 AM

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run sfc /scannow after putting the hp stuff back in

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for peace of mind

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:48 AM

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And btw that's nkt an exaggeration

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:48 AM

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burnt spear I'm not putting the g skill back in, sorry

just do it

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:48 AM

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:/

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:48 AM

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literally nothing will go wrong

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trust me

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im 90% sure it was the imc

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:48 AM

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I really just don't want to go through the trouble, and also I have work in seven hours

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:48 AM

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or the die mixing

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:49 AM

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burnt spear I really just don't want to go through the trouble, and also I have work in seve...

0% chance of anything going wrong

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trust me

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:49 AM

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That's not the only issue

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:49 AM

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just do the thaiaphoon thing I told you to

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:49 AM

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I'd have to unplug everything from my pc, and I don't really have the time rn

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I shoulda been asleep an hour ago

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:49 AM

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No you dont?

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just the ram

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its 4 clips

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that you press

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:50 AM

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No the way my desk is

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And the cable managing

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:50 AM

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and the ram comes out

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:50 AM

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It's hard to get the ram in without lying it down

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And my desk is too small

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:50 AM

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hand on the other side

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hold the case

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put the ram in with the other hand

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Maybe I'll do it tommorow, but I really don't have the time tonight

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This morning tefhnichslly

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That was a word

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Aight

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But dont worry about it the chance of the ram being busted is next to none

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:52 AM

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I did download it

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Yeah I don't think the ram is broken

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:52 AM

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did you run it on the HP kit?

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:52 AM

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#

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I'll do the gskill tommorow

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:53 AM

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No need

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Idk what die this is tho

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:53 AM

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HP is micron

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Don't see it anymore other than (1 die)

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:53 AM

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im 99% certain gskill 3600c18 uses samsung

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Idk what that translates to

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:54 AM

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different brands made the dies on the sticks

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:54 AM

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Yeah I got that much

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:54 AM

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so yeah

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:54 AM

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So do different brands dies not mix?

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:54 AM

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its big bad

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:54 AM

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Bad enough to corrupt windows?

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:54 AM

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Can be yes

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:54 AM

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And cause often blue screening

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Literally sippy was telling me about his ram oc the other day

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he had some timings that werent stable

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Ty for the help btw

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:55 AM

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he started a test to check the ram oc

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like test it

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and went to bed

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Yeah

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Ram corrupted windows so much that there was no entry in the bios to even boot it

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Jesus

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:56 AM

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so yeah

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:56 AM

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This ram caused me like 40hr of pain

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And 3 penalty bans in valorant

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:57 AM

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Yeah use either kit alone

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dont use em together

burnt spear Jul 8, 2021, 5:57 AM

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Alr

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Ty

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 5:58 AM

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NP

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:01 AM

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Can I run 3400MHz or faster RAM with the Ryzen 5 3600?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:01 AM

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yes

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:03 AM

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What exactly would faster RAM do in games?

split copper Jul 8, 2021, 6:04 AM

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slightly better framerate

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:04 AM

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For Ryzen, the main performance gain from faster memory is from faster infinity fabric

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:06 AM

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So going up from 3200MHz to 4000MHz RAM would be what % gains on the 3600?

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:06 AM

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depends on a ton of things

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main thing is 3200c16 vs 3600c16, where the gain would average out to something like 5-10%, higher in specific cases.

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:08 AM

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keen surge Can I run 3400MHz or faster RAM with the Ryzen 5 3600?

3600 can do well 3600

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:08 AM

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keen surge So going up from 3200MHz to 4000MHz RAM would be what % gains on the 3600?

4000 ram would do worse than 3800/3600 tbh

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:08 AM

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zen 2 IF can usually do up to 1900mhz with a good bin, 3800mt/s

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:08 AM

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since flck definitely not be 1:1

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:11 AM

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2x16GB 3200MHz CL16 to 2x16GB 3600MHz CL14, 3200MHz is 1.35V, 16,18,18,38, 3600MHz is 1.45V, 14,15,15,35 what would it do?

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:12 AM

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Iirc in GN testing, bit more than 10% averaged

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Ofc 3600c14 can be tuned

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:14 AM

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https://www.microcenter.com/product/638323/gskill-ripjaws-v-32gb-(2-x-16gb)-ddr4-3600-pc4-28800-cl14-dual-channel-desktop-memory-kit-f4-3600c14d-32gvk-black

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vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:14 AM

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3200c16->3600c18 is 10-15% perf boost

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:15 AM

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@vernal cosmos I am looking to go from 3200c16 to 3600c14

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:15 AM

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That is a big perf bump

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:16 AM

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The link I posted shows the RAM I have my eyes on

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:16 AM

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vernal cosmos 3200c16->3600c18 is 10-15% perf boost

Tbh I would say less

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:16 AM

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hollow thorn Tbh I would say less

Nah thats wht I actually got

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:17 AM

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Looking at GN numbers

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:17 AM

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in my testing it was 6~8% with a 9900K for games

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GN is useless for this stuff

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:17 AM

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celest anchor in my testing it was 6~8% with a 9900K for games

Its a whole ton more with ryzen

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:17 AM

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celest anchor GN is useless for this stuff

Not for xmp perf comparison :p

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:17 AM

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hollow thorn Not for xmp perf comparison :p

They are

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:17 AM

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since flck is tied to ram

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:17 AM

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Their results are bs

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:17 AM

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:p

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:17 AM

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I'll see what I got with ryzen in forza

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7%

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cpu is much slower though so less mem dependant (3600)

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:19 AM

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Well, I kinda still like GN testing, but well, maybe some other source

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Right now I am getting numbers like 81fps on max settings in Shadow of the Tomb Raider on 1080p, 59fps on Deus Ex Mankind Divided, and 82fps in Anno1800, on a Ryzen 5 3600, 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z 3200c16 RAM, and a Radeon RX 5500XT

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:20 AM

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having dual rank memory makes the difference even smaller

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:21 AM

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I'm wanting to go up to 2x16GB 3600c14 RAM

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:22 AM

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waste of money

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the benefits from fast XMP ram aren't that big

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:23 AM

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Hold up. I got some of you saying it is a 10% difference and some saying it is a waste of money

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:24 AM

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keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:25 AM

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The 3600MHz RAM I am looking at, though, is 14-15-15-35

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:25 AM

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that won't make it a lot faster

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:26 AM

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celest anchor

hes going from 3200c16 to 3600c14

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:26 AM

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Yeah I'm comparing 3600 profiles

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because 3600 cl14 isn't a lot faster to really justify the price

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:26 AM

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@vernal cosmos 3200@16-18-18-38 to 3600@14-15-15-35 on the Ryzen 5 3600

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:27 AM

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Yee but 3200->3600 at the same cas latency is a massive bump tbh

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on ryzen at least

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:28 AM

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depends on the exact CPU

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3600 is slow so the gains aren't that big

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:29 AM

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With ryzen tho 3600 is the sweet spot

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on zen 2 3800 is a long shot

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:29 AM

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the performance of the processor really changes how much memory helps

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:29 AM

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flck 1:1 mode that is

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:29 AM

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Think about it like this, if you have a cpu that gets 20% more FPS, you need 20% more memory bandwidth to feed it

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:30 AM

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Yep yep I see your point

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:30 AM

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which is why an i3 10100 is pretty fine with even sub 3000 stuff, but a 10900K can be starved at 3600 even

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:31 AM

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I personally saw 10-15% boost on my 3600x

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3200c16->3600c18

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:31 AM

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hence why my 3600 and 9900K results in terms of perf gain where basically the same

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I got 7~12% from 3200cl16 to 3600 cl20-20-20 (better then 3600 18-22-22) (4.45ghz oc)

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:31 AM

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Oh I had a question for you

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on something like a 5900x that can do 2000flck

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would running a good 4000mts kit be better or worse than a 5200mts kit

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:33 AM

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depends on the timings at 5200

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you can do 4000 with b-die but b-die wont do 5200

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:34 AM

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Isn't it only ballistix max that's 5200 xmp

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:34 AM

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5100

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5200 in general is just hard on ryzen chiplet

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:34 AM

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celest anchor depends on the timings at 5200

https://gskill.com/product/165/299/1620120579/F4-5333C22D-16GTRS

G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

F4-5333C22D-16GTRS-G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

G.SKILL

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something like that

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:35 AM

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that won't work on ryzen chiplet

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renoir and cezanne yeah easy

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:35 AM

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What die would that be?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:35 AM

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djr

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:35 AM

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celest anchor that won't work on ryzen chiplet

no mobo support?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:35 AM

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no cpus aren't good enough

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:35 AM

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Ah right 1.6v

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:35 AM

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like a 5700G would easy run that kit

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:35 AM

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even at 1:2 flck?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:36 AM

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nothing runs 1:2 fclk

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you won't get that kit working at xmp

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:36 AM

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@vernal cosmos for the record, my mobo is the MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk

mild jackal Jul 8, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Seems like a pretty optimistic qvl

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:36 AM

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celest anchor nothing runs 1:2 fclk

basically flck half of ram speed

mild jackal Jul 8, 2021, 6:36 AM

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What if they run a 10900k?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:36 AM

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haha nope

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That kit would be great on cezanne with the APU for a no gpu build

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:37 AM

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keen surge <@499525349109923844> for the record, my mobo is the MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk

ok?

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:38 AM

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celest anchor That kit would be great on cezanne with the APU for a no gpu build

igp would be zoomy

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:38 AM

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vernal cosmos ok?

Would that make a difference?

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:38 AM

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No

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not really

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:38 AM

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mono zen 2 and 3 also get full bandwidth with desync FCLK too

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:38 AM

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celest anchor mono zen 2 and 3 also get full bandwidth with desync FCLK too

So whats the difference in running it in sync vs desync?

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:40 AM

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Wait, so what exactly happens to the chiplet chips with a 5333 kit? Won't boot that high even if you desync it? Or just bad performance?

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:40 AM

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So for my desired upgrade, realistically should I expect about 8-10 percent increase in performance?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:40 AM

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sync has FCLK = kMCLK (with k being some natural constant)

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:40 AM

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keen surge So for my desired upgrade, realistically should I expect about 8-10 percent incr...

3200 to 4000?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:40 AM

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keen surge So for my desired upgrade, realistically should I expect about 8-10 percent incr...

more then that

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:40 AM

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get 3600c16 instead

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:41 AM

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celest anchor more then that

3600

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:41 AM

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since you want 3600 14-15-15

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:41 AM

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vernal cosmos 3200 to 4000?

3200@16-18-18-38 to 3600@14-15-15-35

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:41 AM

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oh wait i got confused

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15% or so

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maybe 20

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:41 AM

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not that high

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it's a 3600

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:42 AM

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I see

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:42 AM

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CPU is the Ryzen 5 3600

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:42 AM

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I don't know why you are looking for such a high end kit with a slow cpu though

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:42 AM

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go 3600c16

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like a crucial ballistix kit

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:42 AM

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Ultimately looking to upgrade to the 5600X at some point

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:43 AM

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its 93$

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:43 AM

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keen surge Ultimately looking to upgrade to the 5600X at some point

doesnt change anything

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still get a 3600c16 kit

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ballistix

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:43 AM

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the kit you are looking at costs as much as a 5600x if not more

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:44 AM

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vernal cosmos still get a 3600c16 kit

So a 3600c14 kit would not be better?

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:44 AM

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keen surge So a 3600c14 kit would not be better?

not worth the perf difference

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:44 AM

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celest anchor the kit you are looking at costs as much as a 5600x if not more

Rather stick to the current ram and get the cpu then

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:44 AM

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3600 cl14 kits are for people with high end systems that can't upgrade anything else (or overclockers)

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:46 AM

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vernal cosmos Rather stick to the current ram and get the cpu then

With that being said, for most games, Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 7?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:46 AM

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depends on which

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:46 AM

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Some games care, some games don't really care

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Assuming same generation, like 3600 v 3700x, or 5600x v 5800x.

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:47 AM

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Ryzen 5 3600 to Ryzen 7 3700X

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:48 AM

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keen surge Ryzen 5 3600 to Ryzen 7 3700X

dont

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5600x beats the 3700x

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same multi core perf

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far higher single core

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:48 AM

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By the way, upgrading nowadays from 3600 to 3700x makes less sense than upgrading from 3600 to 5600x for gaming

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:48 AM

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mc the 3700x is around 13.5% faster then the 5600x

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:49 AM

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Bedrock?

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:49 AM

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I could get a 5600X for the same price as the 3700X

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:49 AM

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multicore

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:49 AM

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Ohhhhh

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I thought you were talking Minecraft....
Yea 3700x still wins multi core, but most games care more about single core

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:50 AM

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no they don't

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they just don't use 8 cores fully

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8 core ccx is big too

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very big

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for gaming IPC

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:50 AM

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Single ccx is gonna have better perf ofc than multi ccx

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:51 AM

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But for games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Anno 1800, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, The Sims 3, and Neverwinter, would it make more sense to do a 3600 to 3700X upgrade or a 3600 to 5600X upgrade?

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:52 AM

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celest anchor they just don't use 8 cores fully

Tbf, makes more sense to say single core perf matters more when it's about 6c vs 8c, since if the task only really takes (for example) 4 cores, the one with faster cores win :p

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:53 AM

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if you have one fast core you'll have a bad day

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:54 AM

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Okay, if this helps, 3600 is 3.6GHz base, 4.2GHz boost, 5600X is 3.7GHz base, 4.6GHz boost. 3700X is 3.6GHz base, 4.4GHz boost

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:54 AM

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most games will use the 8 cores of the 3700x, but the cores are just so damn slow

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:54 AM

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keen surge Okay, if this helps, 3600 is 3.6GHz base, 4.2GHz boost, 5600X is 3.7GHz base, 4....

single core boosts

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:54 AM

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I could've sworn anandtech did testing on anno, but they didn't

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:54 AM

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anandtech's testing 😅

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:55 AM

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Who does testing on anno tho :p

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:55 AM

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Only reason I even got Anno was because it is one of the first games to make use of AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:56 AM

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thats a dumb reason to buy a game

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:56 AM

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Not really, because I wanted to test what Super Resolution was and how it worked

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Seems to function similarly to DLSS

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:57 AM

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@celest anchor Who do you think does good testing?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:57 AM

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at least anandtech isn't as bad as tomshardware

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TPU is generally good, same with guru3d

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techspot is ok

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GN is ok but who knows what you can believe

devout mothBOT Jul 8, 2021, 6:58 AM

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alatron978#7416 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:58 AM

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Isn't techspot just hw unboxed or was that a different one

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:58 AM

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yes

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:59 AM

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Hm

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:59 AM

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I just wish they did low res testing

split copper Jul 8, 2021, 6:59 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/believe-kungfupanda-gif-5316498

Tenor

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 6:59 AM

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like 1080p cpu tests? yeah I don't care.

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 6:59 AM

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I like tpu's databases but their testing has always been a bit wacky to me

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:00 AM

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how so?

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Their rocketlake memory settings and zen 2 settings are currently horrible with the testing they've done recently

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:00 AM

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It's their OCed numbers

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Just seems wacky

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No offense but OCed number being behind stock CPU testing in half the charts is a bit wacky to me

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 7:01 AM

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But yeah, @hollow thorn for my goals, which would you recommend, the Ryzen 5 3600 to Ryzen 5 5600X upgrade or the 3200MHz CL16 to 3600MHz CL14 RAM upgrade?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:01 AM

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yeah I don't look at their OC'd results

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or any reviewers

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:02 AM

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I'd do the 3600 to 5600x upgrade first

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:04 AM

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celest anchor at least anandtech isn't as bad as tomshardware

Also, what exactly is wrong with anandtech testing? Other than charts being harder to read and less comparisons

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 7:04 AM

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Highest I can go with my budget, though, is the Ryzen 9 3900X.

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:04 AM

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This stuff from TPU isn't okay

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:04 AM

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hollow thorn Also, what exactly is wrong with anandtech testing? Other than charts being har...

The memory settings

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they use jedec ram

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because they claim that no one enables xmp

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Ah

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Problem is they don't use 2133, 2400 or 2666 jedec like XMP kits do

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They use 2933 for CML, 3200 for zen

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:05 AM

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They do 3200c20 jedec?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:05 AM

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c22

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no one uses those kits

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Oh fun

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Plus they claim they run it at the CPU's max rated memory freq, but on zen 1 they use 3200 when it's 2666, but on CML they use 2933

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:06 AM

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celest anchor This stuff from TPU isn't okay

Yea that stuff is wacky

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:06 AM

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So their results are all disgustingly AMD biased

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No matter if you get an XMP and don't enable XMP or what

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tomshardware does the same

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And their results are AMD biased too

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:07 AM

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Well, I guess an excuse is that it's what Intel and AMD claim the cpu supports, or ecc memory reasons for reusing the same kit for hedt/server chip comparisons, but not realistic for consumers

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:07 AM

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Also pretty much the only two reviewers who get gains from RKL, because it has faster memory

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:07 AM

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Well, guess I need to keep an eye on memory used for reviews now

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:07 AM

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hollow thorn Well, I guess an excuse is that it's what Intel and AMD claim the cpu supports, ...

For server yes it is a good practise, but these are enthusiast chips

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Yeah you do

devout mothBOT Jul 8, 2021, 7:08 AM

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alatron978#7416 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:08 AM

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Never really noticed those things

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Kinda just expected them to be like gn and 1 memory kit for everything and such

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:08 AM

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Even TPU stuffs it up

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spilt testing with something like 2666 on a 10400f was important at launch too

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but now with b560 who cares about limiting freq

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 7:10 AM

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Heh. Yeah, right now my main goal is to focus on what upgrades I can while I wait for GPU prices to come back down.

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:10 AM

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Gear 1 and gear 2 are weird

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:12 AM

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I like TPU's testing but I'll roast them when they publish utter garbage like this https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-10900k-vs-amd-5900x-gaming-performance/

TechPowerUp

How is Intel Beating AMD Zen 3 Ryzen in Gaming?

Our Ryzen 5000 Zen 3 launch day reviews saw unexpected gaming FPS results many questioned. In this article, we will investigate these results in more detail, and do more testing to figure out what is going on. The results are surprising and set things right in the battle of AMD vs. Intel.

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:14 AM

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What the heck am I reading

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:15 AM

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1st issue, the 10900K had a perf regression with the memory OC indicating that they did a garbage job with it in some way

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 7:15 AM

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@hollow thorn would a Ryzen 7 5800X be better than the Ryzen 5 5600X for my needs or no?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:16 AM

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2nd issue is the game they made in UE4 was very AMD biased. Evidence of that is their own newer testing on borderlands 3. A game that also uses UE4 is around the same on amd and intel.

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:17 AM

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keen surge <@278694081440251905> would a Ryzen 7 5800X be better than the Ryzen 5 5600X for...

Well, testing on the specific games you play are kind of scarce other than sotr, where 5600x vs 5800x doesn't matter much, so on the rest of the games it'll be hard to say..

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Hm

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:18 AM

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The loading % in that article is a quadratic function, and even in a best case scenario based off this, it's very AMD favourable

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(720p should get at least 10% more fps on amd)

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based off that article

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:19 AM

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Hm

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:19 AM

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Problem is they made their conclusion from that one biased case, and using a bad memory OC on Intel

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:20 AM

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Do you know any reviewers that do a good mem oc on Intel?

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3200c14 does seem pretty common for reviews

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:24 AM

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no

hollow thorn Jul 8, 2021, 7:25 AM

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celest anchor no

Perhaps this is the cue for you to become that reviewer :D

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 7:26 AM

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I don't have the resources and stuff for that

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I'd also only test low res and get no traffic because of it

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 7:33 AM

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@hollow thorn the "reviews" I generally do, are of how different games run on Linux. I need to update the vids I have, though, because there were some TTM/GEM GPU buffer management improvements on Kernel 5.11 but all my vids are from Kernel 5.8

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Interestingly, those improvements were enough to make the Radeon RX 5500XT run nearly as fast on Linux as the RTX 2060 does on Windows.

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@hollow thorn final question: would it make a difference if the CPU is air cooled vs liquid cooled?

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 7:47 AM

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keen surge <@278694081440251905> final question: would it make a difference if the CPU is a...

3600?

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no

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5600?

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yes

ionic hamlet Jul 8, 2021, 7:59 AM

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I have a 5600x in my build. I can tell the difference from the Intel processor in my old laptop. I do kind of wish I could have gotten a slightly better GPU... but in this awful market you take whatever card you can get. And the 3060 definitely runs circles around the old mobile 1060 I had.

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 8:40 AM

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ionic hamlet I have a 5600x in my build. I can tell the difference from the Intel processor i...

ok?

ionic hamlet Jul 8, 2021, 8:46 AM

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... I think that might have been a comment that made more sense to my sleep-deprived brain than anyone else.

cyan raft Jul 8, 2021, 10:06 AM

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Somehow it made surprisingly a lot of sense to me

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But then again I also have an extremely sleep-deprived brain

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 12:28 PM

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I've got an idea now of the RAM and CPU upgrades I want to do while I wait for the GPU prices to drop

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 12:32 PM

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keen surge I've got an idea now of the RAM and CPU upgrades I want to do while I wait for t...

Whats your cpu and ram setup atm?

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:18 PM

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Right now it is the Ryzen 5 3600 with a 2x16GB dual-channel set of G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3200MHz CAS16 RAM. What I am planning is to upgrade to a Ryzen 7 5800X on 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CAS 16 RAM

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 1:26 PM

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keen surge Right now it is the Ryzen 5 3600 with a 2x16GB dual-channel set of G.Skill Tride...

I would wait or go ryzen 9 imho and personally i would just see if you can oc your ram you have atm to 3600

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:37 PM

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vast meadow I would wait or go ryzen 9 imho and personally i would just see if you can oc yo...

i dont think he can

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not c die

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 1:42 PM

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vernal cosmos not c die

It depends, g skill have a sticker number it should say depending on model number thingy

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:42 PM

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vast meadow It depends, g skill have a sticker number it should say depending on model numbe...

he has HP ram

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its a hynix die

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Already ran thaiaphoon

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:44 PM

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vernal cosmos he has HP ram

I found a G.Skill Trident Z set that's b-die at 3600MHz stock

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:44 PM

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keen surge I found a G.Skill Trident Z set that's b-die at 3600MHz stock

timings?

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thaiaphoon detects all 8gb samsung kits as b die

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:45 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232905?Description=F4-3600C16D-32GTZR&cm_re=F4-3600C16D-32GTZR-_-20-232-905-_-Product&quicklink=true

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:46 PM

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that could be b die

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Kit I run now is a 16-18-18-38 timing

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:46 PM

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keen surge Kit I run now is a 16-18-18-38 timing

speed?

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:46 PM

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3200

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Yep thats c die

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c die

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:46 PM

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That link is from the b-die finder website

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:47 PM

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keen surge That link is from the b-die finder website

that link is also not 3200mts

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 1:47 PM

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b-die finder sucks

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there are 3200 cl16 b-die kits though

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just old and crap

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:47 PM

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vernal cosmos that link is also not 3200mts

That's because that link was for the 3600MHz b-die version of the G.Skill Trident Z's

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:47 PM

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celest anchor there are 3200 cl16 b-die kits though

Might as well be c die with the way it ocs

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:48 PM

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keen surge 3200

...

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 1:48 PM

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it's worse then C-Die in terms of OC

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Much worse

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 1:48 PM

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vernal cosmos he has HP ram

They said they had trident z 3200?

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 1:48 PM

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heck even my 3200 15-15-15 b-die was worse then c-die OC'd

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:48 PM

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celest anchor it's worse then C-Die in terms of OC

Sheesh

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 1:48 PM

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c-die oc's quite well

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:48 PM

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vast meadow They said they had trident z 3200?

They told me they had hp ram

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 1:49 PM

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keen surge Right now it is the Ryzen 5 3600 with a 2x16GB dual-channel set of G.Skill Tride...

@vernal cosmos

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You may be thinking of someone else?

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:49 PM

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I am

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:50 PM

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vast meadow <@499525349109923844>

This is what I have now. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232748?quicklink=true

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:50 PM

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most probably c die

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 1:50 PM

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^

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:51 PM

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The one I am looking at, is this one. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232905

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 1:52 PM

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vernal cosmos most probably c die

depends on when they got it

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:52 PM

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Thaiaphoon would clear it up

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download and run thaiaphoon burner

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:53 PM

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you also have to keep in mind, this system is over a year old

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:53 PM

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ok?

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:53 PM

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vernal cosmos download and run thaiaphoon burner

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keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:57 PM

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Didn't need that. The i2c tools and eeprom module on the Linux kernel were more than enough.

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https://i.imgur.com/K2Gixml.png

Imgur

flameshot_screenshot

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:58 PM

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do you know what thaiaphoon does?

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@keen surge

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 1:59 PM

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It won't work on Linux

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 1:59 PM

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Then boot to windows

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 2:00 PM

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I don't have a Windows install

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I don't dual-boot anymore. Haven't since last year

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 2:01 PM

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try wine

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 2:03 PM

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It wants Windows administrator mode privileges and I'm too tired to fudge with it right now.

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 2:10 PM

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vernal cosmos do you know what thaiaphoon does?

it guesses IC's

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that's all it does

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 2:11 PM

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celest anchor it guesses IC's

I know

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 2:11 PM

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won't clear it up

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Its a 16gb dimm tho

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those report correct

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most of the times

celest anchor Jul 8, 2021, 2:11 PM

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all the time that does

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I thought you meant for c-die vs b-die

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Only real way is to check the sticker on the stick

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since is a gskill dimm

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Sticker says 16-18-18-38 1.35V Intel XMP Ready

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 2:29 PM

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keen surge Sticker says 16-18-18-38 1.35V Intel XMP Ready

pic please

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of the whole thing

devout mothBOT Jul 8, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Nyx Fluffpaw#3589 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Am I even using the right RAM, I wonder

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 2:48 PM

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vernal cosmos pic please

I found this, too. Is this a B-die set? https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232860?Item=N82E16820232860

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 3:27 PM

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keen surge I found this, too. Is this a B-die set? https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288...

Why is getting b die so important to you?

marble knot Jul 8, 2021, 3:41 PM

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hi

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can some one help me?

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how do i get into bois if i enabled super fast boot with an nvme?

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 3:43 PM

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You mean bios?

rocky beacon Jul 8, 2021, 3:43 PM

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Click fast

marble knot Jul 8, 2021, 3:43 PM

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yep

marble knot Jul 8, 2021, 3:43 PM

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rocky beacon Click fast

tried

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 3:43 PM

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rocky beacon Click fast

Nope

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 3:44 PM

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marble knot yep

In windows hold down shift and then click the restart button

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Should lead you to another screen

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Over there look for advanced or something

marble knot Jul 8, 2021, 3:44 PM

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ok

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 3:44 PM

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And uefi firmware settings

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Its under troubleshoot

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 3:46 PM

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vernal cosmos Why is getting b die so important to you?

I thought the b-die is to current ram what micron chips were to past ram modules

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 3:47 PM

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keen surge I thought the b-die is to current ram what micron chips were to past ram modules

doesnt matter unless you wanna manually overclock

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 3:47 PM

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Does it matter if it says "designed for ryzen cpus and x570 chipset"?

marble knot Jul 8, 2021, 3:48 PM

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vernal cosmos And uefi firmware settings

k it worked thx

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 3:49 PM

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marble knot k it worked thx

no problem glad to help!

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 3:49 PM

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keen surge Does it matter if it says "designed for ryzen cpus and x570 chipset"?

on the ram?

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marketing bs

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 3:50 PM

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I found a Ryzen 7 5800x for $430 after tax

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 4:47 PM

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vernal cosmos Thaiaphoon would clear it up

Not for 8gb, they all "b die"

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 4:47 PM

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vast meadow Not for 8gb, they all "b die"

he has 16gb sticks tho

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 4:54 PM

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vernal cosmos he has 16gb sticks tho

Realistically what performance gains should I expect from a Ryzen 7 5800x paired with 3600MHz 16-16-16-36 RAM?

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 4:54 PM

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keen surge Realistically what performance gains should I expect from a Ryzen 7 5800x paired...

over?

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 4:55 PM

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My current setup, a Ryzen 5 3600 paired with 3200MHz 16-18-18-38

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 4:56 PM

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vernal cosmos he has 16gb sticks tho

Still lol, g skill have the same version num thing best to check

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 4:56 PM

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keen surge

@vast meadow

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 5:20 PM

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keen surge Realistically what performance gains should I expect from a Ryzen 7 5800x paired...

Depends on what tasks and what other parts of setup are like, you will most likely need a new cooler tho

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 5:26 PM

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vernal cosmos <@!191276897227898880>

Hynix d die

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 5:34 PM

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vast meadow Depends on what tasks and what other parts of setup are like, you will most like...

Mainly for gaming. Current GPU is the Radeon RX 5500XT, motherboard is the MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk. Already planned on getting a Lian Li Galahad 240 to cool the Ryzen 7 5800x

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 5:34 PM

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keen surge Mainly for gaming. Current GPU is the Radeon RX 5500XT, motherboard is the MSI M...

That's gonna heavily depend on the game res and detail settings

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 5:35 PM

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keen surge Mainly for gaming. Current GPU is the Radeon RX 5500XT, motherboard is the MSI M...

Instead get the 360 if it fits in your case

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If you can

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Otherwise get arctic liquid ii 280mm if max is 280

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Because 240 is not enough

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 5:44 PM

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vast meadow That's gonna heavily depend on the game res and detail settings

I did make videos showing the games I play on Linux and how they perform, but that was back in Kernel 5.8. I am running the 5.11 Kernel now, and the biggest difference is that Kernel 5.11 brought TTM/GEM buffer management improvements for the AMDGPU drivers, which significantly improved the performance of AMD GPUs on Linux. Before the buffer management improvements, the Radeon RX 5500XT was only equal to the GTX 1060 in performance. Now, the 5500XT on Linux is as fast as the RTX 2060 on Windows.

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This weekend, I will probably make new videos so there can be reasonable real-world comparisons.

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 6:11 PM

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keen surge I did make videos showing the games I play on Linux and how they perform, but th...

That's great but it's still gonna depend on what resolutions and details and what games to tell how much of a pert benefit you will get

keen surge Jul 8, 2021, 6:16 PM

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vast meadow That's great but it's still gonna depend on what resolutions and details and wha...

That's why I am going to get new videos made. Show the resolutions, settings, and current framerates of the different games I play, using actual game play.

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Okay lol

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If you tell us in general like most medium or high etc at 1080p or 1440p etc we should be able to guesstimate pretty decent as some games and higher detail is more gpu bound than cpu

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:28 PM

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vast meadow Hynix d die

yep

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 6:28 PM

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vernal cosmos yep

That what typhoon guessed :o?

vernal cosmos Jul 8, 2021, 6:34 PM

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vast meadow That what typhoon guessed :o?

Nope

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guy cant run thaiaphoon

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I looked at the label and came to that conclusion

vast meadow Jul 8, 2021, 6:37 PM

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vernal cosmos I looked at the label and came to that conclusion

Ohh right lol

tender sleet Jul 8, 2021, 7:14 PM

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Anyone know if Patriot Steel rgb ram is supported on chroma?

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 12:51 AM

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vast meadow If you tell us in general like most medium or high etc at 1080p or 1440p etc we ...

Shadow of the Tomb Raider, high quality preset, 1080p, on my current rig, I'm getting 81fps. Deus Ex Mankind Divided, high quality preset, 1080p, 59fps. OS is Ubuntu Linux 21.04, Kernel 5.11.

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 12:53 AM

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keen surge Shadow of the Tomb Raider, high quality preset, 1080p, on my current rig, I'm ge...

You most like see a big increase in perf with the cpu upgrade, afaik they are both gpu bound

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 12:58 AM

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vast meadow You most like see a big increase in perf with the cpu upgrade, afaik they are bo...

I'm not complaining about the numbers. For a cheap budget card, those are good numbers, I think, but until GPU prices come back down to reasonable levels, CPU and RAM upgrades are my only options right now.

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 1:00 AM

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keen surge I'm not complaining about the numbers. For a cheap budget card, those are good n...

Yeah but thing is in those situations i really don't think it's worth it imo

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You'd be better off getting 12th gen intel or amd 6000 imo

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 1:02 AM

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vast meadow Yeah but thing is in those situations i really don't think it's worth it imo

For me, it would be worth it, because I am more aiming for a VR-ready system. My end goal is to be able to get at least 75fps on Deus Ex Mankind Divided while running VR

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 1:03 AM

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keen surge For me, it would be worth it, because I am more aiming for a VR-ready system. My...

Yeah but you won't be able to get a new gpu for a while, by the time that happens even your cpu atm would do 75fps no problems at all

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 1:05 AM

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vast meadow Yeah but you won't be able to get a new gpu for a while, by the time that happen...

That's why my first upgrades will be faster RAM and maybe a larger hard drive.

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 1:05 AM

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keen surge That's why my first upgrades will be faster RAM and maybe a larger hard drive.

The ram you have is fine tho

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 1:06 AM

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vast meadow The ram you have is fine tho

RAM I have is 3200MHz 16-18-18-38. RAM I want is 3600MHz 16-16-16-36

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 1:07 AM

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keen surge RAM I have is 3200MHz 16-18-18-38. RAM I want is 3600MHz 16-16-16-36

That's fine for a Ryzen 5 3600 yeah

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 1:08 AM

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The one game I have that I know is CPU bound is X Rebirth and I average right around 110fps on max settings

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 1:11 AM

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keen surge The one game I have that I know is CPU bound is X Rebirth and I average right ar...

I've never heard of that, but usually if something is at max settings especially, below 250fps it's gpu bound

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 1:12 AM

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vast meadow That's fine for a Ryzen 5 3600 yeah

Would the Radeon RX 6800XT pair well with the Ryzen 5 3600 or would I need the 5800X?

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 1:13 AM

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keen surge Would the Radeon RX 6800XT pair well with the Ryzen 5 3600 or would I need the 5...

For you probs yes, but next upgrade after would be 5800x yes, why not go Nvidia btw?

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Because linux?

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 1:14 AM

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vast meadow For you probs yes, but next upgrade after would be 5800x yes, why not go Nvidia ...

nVidia's drivers on Linux are...let's just say nVidia hardware has never run as well on Linux as AMD hardware

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 1:15 AM

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keen surge nVidia's drivers on Linux are...let's just say nVidia hardware has never run as ...

Fair, why game on linux tho? You must do other work on linux and not want to dual boot or something?

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 1:17 AM

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vast meadow Fair, why game on linux tho? You must do other work on linux and not want to dua...

I've been a full-time Linux user since October 2009. Been waiting for the day I would no longer be dependent on Microsoft for anything. Was finally able to break the chain in late 2019

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 1:17 AM

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Fair

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 1:18 AM

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vast meadow Fair

Primary (and currently only) OS is Ubuntu. Been using Ubuntu or its derivatives my entire time as a Linux user.

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 1:20 AM

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Just gaming on linux still seems a hassle at this time

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 1:21 AM

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vast meadow Fair

And my reason for gaming on Linux is to show people how well Linux can actually handle gaming. It isn't as much of a hassle as people think it is. There are a lot of games that run natively on Linux through Steam and even more that run through the WINE GUI app Lutris

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 1:23 AM

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vast meadow Just gaming on linux still seems a hassle at this time

Any game on Steam that says it supports Steam Play or SteamOS will run on Linux without needing an emulator like Proton. Feral Interactive is a well-known developer that takes games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider and ports them to run natively on Linux and Macintosh. Some developers choose on their own to make their games multi-platform capable.

keen surge Jul 9, 2021, 1:40 AM

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vast meadow Just gaming on linux still seems a hassle at this time

The Sims 3 and The Sims 4, for example. Both install and run seamlessly through Lutris. Cities: Skylines runs natively on Linux through Steam as do most of the Total War series of games.

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CS:GO, Wolfenstein: Youngblood, and even DIRT 4 are among the list of popular games that run natively on Linux through Steam

vague ore Jul 9, 2021, 2:15 AM

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Hey guys... Anyone got experience with the SM Epyc SoC boards? I ordered the M11SDV-8C-LN4F-O with passive cooling to use in a SM 1U chassis, however Newegg stuffed up and sent me an 8C+ with the active fan. Does anyone know if the heat sinks are the same between the two models? i.e. I can just remove the fan, or is the heat sink on the 8C a special type? Thanks.

hollow thorn Jul 9, 2021, 8:00 AM

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It appears to be the case, but appearances can be deceiving, you can take the fan off and take a look at if the fin density looks similar to the passively cooled model.

prisma lake Jul 9, 2021, 9:13 AM

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Good morning!

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i have got a problem....my internet speed is capped at 100mb/s and my motherboard(B450M DS3H) can handdle 1Gb/s also the contract with the internet provider is for 1Gb/s and my other pc witch is a far older one has 1Gb/s internet speed. Has anyone got a solution for this?

vernal cosmos Jul 9, 2021, 9:19 AM

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prisma lake i have got a problem....my internet speed is capped at 100mb/s and my motherboar...

Install drivers

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Also 8mbps= 1MB/s

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Do you mean mbps or mb/s

prisma lake Jul 9, 2021, 9:26 AM

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MB/s

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i already tried drivers

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from the gigabyte product site

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it did not work

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 9:27 AM

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@prisma lake are you using wifi or ethernet?

prisma lake Jul 9, 2021, 9:27 AM

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ethernet

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 9:29 AM

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@prisma lake

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Max speed =125mb/s

prisma lake Jul 9, 2021, 9:34 AM

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ah well

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mb

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thanks anyway

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 9:35 AM

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Np

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@prisma lake do you actually get 1gb/s btw?

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From isp, 1gbps sounds more likely

prisma lake Jul 9, 2021, 9:35 AM

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on my father's pc yeah

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he gets 1 gb/s

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on his old hp

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 9:36 AM

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Hmm

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You could get a network card if you're gpu isn't too big

prisma lake Jul 9, 2021, 9:37 AM

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i've got a pci express slot unused but i fear my gpu wont get the airflow needed

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 9:39 AM

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Should be fine imo

prisma lake Jul 9, 2021, 9:39 AM

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i hope so

vernal cosmos Jul 9, 2021, 10:11 AM

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prisma lake he gets 1 gb/s

Doubt

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8gbps is very very unlikely

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and if you can afford 8gbps internet you can afford a better mobo

prisma lake Jul 9, 2021, 11:15 AM

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vernal cosmos Doubt

i can send a picture of a speedtest if u wish

vernal cosmos Jul 9, 2021, 11:16 AM

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prisma lake i can send a picture of a speedtest if u wish

sure

prisma lake Jul 9, 2021, 11:16 AM

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brb

devout mothBOT Jul 9, 2021, 11:26 AM

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TØAST#9241 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

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TØAST#9241 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 12:04 PM

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prisma lake i can send a picture of a speedtest if u wish

Btw default for speedtest is mbps/gbps not mb/s

vernal cosmos Jul 9, 2021, 12:15 PM

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vast meadow Btw default for speedtest is mbps/gbps not mb/s

Yep

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Thats why 1 hr and still no speedtest

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they saw their mistake

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 12:17 PM

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Lol

vernal cosmos Jul 9, 2021, 12:30 PM

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lemme ping actually

vernal cosmos Jul 9, 2021, 12:30 PM

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prisma lake brb

@prisma lake where u at lol

quartz zinc Jul 9, 2021, 12:45 PM

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is it worth it to get a z590 for my 10850k or should i just stick with a z490

devout mothBOT Jul 9, 2021, 1:23 PM

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RiouGenkaku#0080 has been warned

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RiouGenkaku#0080 has been kicked

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vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 1:25 PM

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quartz zinc is it worth it to get a z590 for my 10850k or should i just stick with a z490

Not really, just make sure it's a decent z490, z590 can have some stupid top m.2 slot issues

bleak cedar Jul 9, 2021, 2:39 PM

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Does the 5600X come with a cooler?

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 2:43 PM

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bleak cedar Does the 5600X come with a cooler?

Yes but you shouldn't use it, it's nowhere near enough for what the 5600x needs, the 5600x needs a scythe fuma 2 to not overheat and throttle

bleak cedar Jul 9, 2021, 2:43 PM

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Would the Scythe Mugen 5 or the Noctua NH-U12S be enough?

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A friend of mine is upgrading soon and I'm just telling him to not get the i5 11400 at all costs

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 2:52 PM

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bleak cedar A friend of mine is upgrading soon and I'm just telling him to not get the i5 11...

Not really, the fuma 2 is like 10$ more and worth every penny extra, the 5000 series chips are very hot, and the i5 11400 is a way better deal, that and a b560 board and a gammaxx 400 or id cooling se 224xt or vetroo v5 would be what i would do

bleak cedar Jul 9, 2021, 2:53 PM

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My past experience with the low end i5s from intel makes me not recommend them and I don't care what intel does

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Maybe I'm blind and stupid but that's how it is

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And the thing with the fuma 2 is that it's so massive

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How can you really make sure it'll be compatible with stuff like your case, RAM, and so on

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 2:54 PM

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bleak cedar How can you really make sure it'll be compatible with stuff like your case, RAM,...

The scythe fuma 2 should have no problems with ram, the second fan is shorter and lifted up so ram can fit underneath with no prob

bleak cedar Jul 9, 2021, 2:55 PM

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Even tall RAM?

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 2:55 PM

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bleak cedar My past experience with the low end i5s from intel makes me not recommend them a...

The 11400 is a great chip, it's fairly close to the 5600x

bleak cedar Jul 9, 2021, 2:55 PM

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11400 close to the 11400?

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 2:55 PM

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bleak cedar Even tall RAM?

Yes but just get ballistix, it's cheap, good and low profile

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 2:55 PM

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bleak cedar 11400 close to the 11400?

Meant 5600x*

bleak cedar Jul 9, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Huh.. Really?

vast meadow Jul 9, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Ye

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Hold on

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@bleak cedar it depends on the game but, if you enable no power limit it actually performs a good amount better too

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This is just one example

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