Oh, and I need to BIOS update my board.
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
long basalt
ionic hamlet
I need the aRGB headers for my case fans, plus the Gaming Edge looks nicer. (And will probably connect my case aRGB as well.)
finite elm
š¤¤ 5950x is in stock at the microcenter in Minnesota
round hearth
bro i need help
finite elm
With?
finite elm
Are you using a igpu?
ionic hamlet
I have a 5600x on the way (ordered today)
round hearth
nah i dont think
finite elm
I have a 5600x on the way (ordered today)
Nice
round hearth
finite elm
nah i dont think
Go to search and type msconfig. When that box opens go to boot tab and then advanced options button. Set the maxĀ memoryĀ value to 0 and uncheck the box. Click to save and restart the machine when prompt to do so
vast meadow
Would highly recommend enabling xmp in the bios btw
vast meadow
Did you reseat the ram?
vast meadow
And try different slot?
round hearth
yes
vast meadow
Might be a dead stick if only showing 8gb
round hearth
the sticks alive i think
yeah it is
i swapped em out and they worked before
idk why it says hardware reserved
elfin warren
Do you have integrated graphics?
vast meadow
Yes but the igpu uses your ddr4 ram that's why vintage asked
round hearth
oh yeah i forgot
elfin warren
GOod
grizzled bloom
That's microcenter price, good deal
elfin warren
with a B560 MB
grizzled bloom
Wait it's a K though
elfin warren
OH wait that's K
XD
Z490 then
And NOT ASROCK, their VRM can't handle the boosting at all
The tiniest OC and they go poop
vast meadow
Would they not bet better off with 11400 and b560 at that price though?
ionic hamlet
I was only asking about the mobo to make sure it didn't like have some crippling flaw I wasn't aware of. I know the b550 Gaming Edge Wifi is a little expensive.
long basalt
Well, a BIOS Update and a new Power Profile in Windows boosted my Cinebench R23 score from 7710 without Precision Boost Overdrive, to 8786. That's friggin crazy.
tulip verge
arent z490 motherboards "lower" quality motherboards
grizzled bloom
It's just like any other chipset, there's good and bad boards
tulip verge
i know the asrock ones suck
grizzled bloom
Z490 just doesn't have PCIe 4.0 and a couple other minor features from Z590
long basalt
Ah, that answers that question
tulip verge
thats new i hope its true lmao
elfin warren
Z490 just doesn't have PCIe 4.0 and a couple other minor features from Z590
Some do
naive pendant
Would a B560m mobo work with the Intel Core i5-10600K Comet Lake
grizzled bloom
Yes
naive pendant
Budget
long basalt
You can't OC on anything that isn't a Z490/Z590
grizzled bloom
It would work but you won't be able to use the unlocked K sku features
naive pendant
No
long basalt
long basalt
Or a 10400F
naive pendant
Iām sticking with whatās at micro center
tulip verge
i hope newegg is getting their gpus up again
long basalt
Yet you could save money and... Buy from another place.
grizzled bloom
Just wasting money getting a K processor without a Z board
long basalt
Microcenter is cool, but they don't have EVERYTHING.
I'd seriously recommend getting a Non-K sku if you want to buy a B560 motherboard.
naive pendant
They are the only place with ANYTHING
naive pendant
Over priced
long basalt
I love me a Microcenter trip, but... They aren't always the ideal option.
tulip verge
the only one in cali is in LA lol
naive pendant
Whatās the difference with one having a k and one not
tulip verge
lmfao
long basalt
But you are wasting money by buying a B560 motherboard and a K sku since you can't OC.
naive pendant
Not really
long basalt
Yes really
long basalt
If you can't OC, you can buy a 11600 to fit in the B560 and get more performance than a 10600K
grizzled bloom
The K processors cost a lot more than non-K processors, save your money
long basalt
^
naive pendant
I donāt want a cpu thatās slower than my gpu
grizzled bloom
Barring any sales of course, I get it. But he's at microcenter.
naive pendant
Itās only a little more expensive on Microcenter
By 20 bucks
Thatās not much for me
elfin warren
Intel prices wack right now
naive pendant
Iām struggling in the GPU department
elfin warren
If K is cheaper, just get K lol
grizzled bloom
That's the old generation too, yeah it's crazy with 11 series launch
tulip verge
Iām struggling in the GPU department
everyone is
elfin warren
We can't just assume anymore, gotta actually check with INtel cuz it's nuts
naive pendant
Iām going to micro center this weekend so Iām hoping to find somthing
grizzled bloom
I've been getting more and more tempted to do the overnight drive to the closest MC
tulip verge
i cant even drive yet so i'd have to get my dad lol
doubt he'd approve of an overnight trip lol
ionic hamlet
I don't even have a local Best Buy anymore. Ours got flattened by a tornado last year.
tulip verge
ouch
finite elm
MC in MN has 6700xt and 3060 in stock
grizzled bloom
Great, now to drive 1500 miles to get one š
grizzled bloom
A 3060 isn't even an upgrade for me too, I could sell my current 2070 for more than that 3060 costs though lol
finite elm
3060 would be nice for an ITX build though tbh
silk ice
Depends the card ik the ASUS TUF one uses the same cooler for the 60, 60ti, 70, and 80
Granted I did just look at the image and the zotac would be good for itx
ionic herald
So wheni was playing roblox all the sudden it just crashed and now its like very slow way slower then it used to be
It might be a momory problom but i dont k
know
marble knot
oof
grizzled bloom
did you restart the computer
marble knot
?????
ionic herald
turned off xmp
grizzled bloom
turned off xmp
Don't turn that off you lose tons of performance
ionic herald
oh
i thouy=th it might nbe that
thouth
i got8 gb of ram
8 gb
Mabye my cpu is unstable
grizzled bloom
More likely the game data corrupted or the driver crashed
ionic herald
I reinstalled all motherboard drivers
and reinstalled game
i smashed my keybord when i raged
did that do somthing
grizzled bloom
Only if you're on a laptop
ionic herald
Im on pc
grizzled bloom
Then the only thing hitting the keyboard will damage is the keyboard
Or the desk, or things on it
ionic herald
well i got a $20 keyboard anyways
but its fine
Im using it rn
did i do something to the game
grizzled bloom
Did you reinstall the GPU drivers?
ionic herald
nope
grizzled bloom
Go into safe mode first, then run that program. Check all the options for your GPU brand
ionic herald
okay???
grizzled bloom
That will erase the graphics drivers, then install them again
ionic herald
okay
candid flax
why is i5-11400 220 on newegg but 183 on b&h
vast meadow
š¤·āāļø just buy it from where its cheapest
finite elm
Lol
vast meadow
Nice, I'm jealous
vast meadow
Guys how big of the diff is the igpu in 11400/11500 over the 10400, I'm wondering because possibly building little bro a pc, was gonna put my r9 380 in it with a 10400f but someone bought it, is it worth getting the 11500 for ā¬40 more than the 11400 for the slightly better igpu(my parents are tryna keep cost down) and he's coming from a 7 year old i3 laptop so i don't think he'll notice but just wanna get a few others opinions
finite elm
If you're doing a dedicated gpu the igpu shouldn't matter
11400 for multi core tasks, 11500 for single core tasks i think.
11400 has a higher all core boost than the 11500
vast meadow
If you're doing a dedicated gpu the igpu shouldn't matter
Was gonna do a dpgu but someone bought my old r9 380 on eBay
And i don't really think it's worth an extra ā¬40 but just want peoples opinion
finite elm
Ohhh
Why not go with the 3400g? Or just buy an oem pc with a 5000 series Apu?
Vega 8 and Vega 11 are still better than intels apu's
Better in most games*
vast meadow
Because i have some spare parts from upgrading and 3400g not in stock
vast meadow
Minecraft mainly and among us i think
long basalt
You could run those on an iPad...
finite elm
Then I'd go with the 11400. 730 vs 750 won't be an issue
long basalt
I'd go with a 10100
If all they are playing is Minecraft and Among Us, a 10100 is more than enough.
finite elm
He said mainly. 11400 would give room for a GPU and other games
hoary cedar
Is it weird that my i5-10400F does not go over 58Ā°C when under full load (100% CPU usage with FurMark CPU Burner or Prime95)?
I have a cheap Cooler Master air cooler, not sure which one/how to find out
But I'd expect it to get hotter and for the fans to ramp up more consequentially. However it stays quite silent which is nice.
elfin warren
Need to not post Discord links š
vast meadow
You could run those on an iPad...
Yes but scool too
vast meadow
Then I'd go with the 11400. 730 vs 750 won't be an issue
That's what i thought
long basalt
I mean, most schoolwork can be done on an iPad in this day and age.
vast meadow
Well yeah but desktop better and likes to play games n stuff
And then can pop gpu in
If he needs better graphics like only gonna be playing 1080p anyway and will still be a big upgrade from a 7 year old i3 laptop with no ssd
vast meadow
I mean, most schoolwork can be done on an iPad in this day and age.
Also he messes around with unity so oo
elfin warren
11400 still sub $200 yeah? Shoot for that, B560, 3200 ram, can be done pretty cheap
viral nebula
ugh... 32GB RAM is not enough... hitting 95% usage most of the time..
elfin warren
Doing what?
viral nebula
software engineering
elfin warren
Ah
tepid cradle
hello I need a new Mobo for a Intel CPU can someone recommend 1 please
elfin warren
Which intel cpu
viral nebula
lol
tepid cradle
an I9
vast meadow
11400 still sub $200 yeah? Shoot for that, B560, 3200 ram, can be done pretty c...
Close to ā¬190 ish but yeah
vast meadow
Oof
tepid cradle
just a second rawr
tepid cradle
i9-9900K qwq
tepid cradle
Asrock B450
tepid cradle
thats why im getting a new Mobo
elfin warren
Something like this https://www.amazon.com/Prime-Z390-Motherboard-LGA1151-Gigabit/dp/B07HCY7K9L
elfin warren
Yeah but the build in graphics are kinda bad
AMD also has CPU's with integrated graphics
I hope you aren't buying a 9900K just for that
tepid cradle
I need to do a project with animations and a friend said i should get a CPU better than an 3600 so gave me a recommendation than said i need to find a new GPU and Mobo
GPUs are sold out or overpriced
elfin warren
Well, the iGPU on intel is going to be way worse than the 1050TI
tepid cradle
its also a laptop.....
elfin warren
wait what
tepid cradle
upgrading to full PC
tepid cradle
like 400$
elfin warren
Mmmm, I'd keep the B450 mobo
and get a 5800x
It's $50 more but better in Blender
so you save mobo cost but get a bit more CPU
tepid cradle
ill look into a 5800X thanks a lot have a great day
elfin warren
Here's a list of Blender benchmarks and CPU's. The 5800x is 12 seconds faster rendering than the 9900K https://www.cgdirector.com/blender-benchmark-results-updated-scores/
However, you WILL need some kind of cheap GPU for video out
Anything will do
tepid cradle
OwO didnt know about that website thanks!!!
maybe a 1030 exists but everything is so expensive lately couple months ago this wasnt as bad
elfin warren
I'm talking like a GT710
Just for video out
Or anything, really, let the CPU do the works
elfin warren
It can be but you need a beefy GPU for it
elfin warren
It's OK, that's why this Discord exists
frigid vapor
whats a good mobo between $300 and 400 to pair with 5950x
swift shale
I put in a motherboard I want to my set up on pc part picker. What does that first ānoteā mean?
ionic hamlet
Just means a one of the SATA ports is disabled if you install an M.2 drive. The mobo manual will say which one. Not a major issue.
swift shale
Oh okay thanks
So if I have one SSD it would be fine but using two, the one port Would be disabled then
opaque pasture
It's usually the "last" 1-2 SATA ports that get disabled if you have all NVMe slots populated. This is even the case on my X570 Auros Xtreme.
hardy moon
whats a good mobo between $300 and 400 to pair with 5950x
You can put a 5950x on a 200 mobo just fine
As long as itās a good one
frigid vapor
i have a i7 9700k currently, redoing everything
@hardy moon
i was thinking an asus x570
hardy moon
i was thinking an asus x570
Go b550 unless you need dual pcie 4.0 nvmes (which you really donāt)
Thereās only one x570 that has flashback on it
hardy moon
Only difference between b550 and x570 is that the cpu uplink to the chipset is 3.0 on b550 and 4.0 on x570
Gpu and nvme 1 will still run in pcie 4.0 on b550
frigid vapor
:/
hardy moon
Most likely you will need bios flashback to flash the bios on a board to get 5950x to work.
And there are very limited selections for flashback on x570
frigid vapor
yea, im wondering how much of a problem that would be
hardy moon
Not really that hard to do, itās just there are much more b550s with flashback and very little x570s
And b550 will be just fine for 95% of users
frigid vapor
either way im going x570. with my budget b550 doesnt make sence
hardy moon
You donāt really need to spend that much on a mobo
Well the only x570 I know of with flashback is asus tuf x570 gaming wifi or something like that
One of the tuf boards
frigid vapor
š thx for suggestion
hardy moon
š thx for suggestion
frigid vapor
that one looks pretty good!
opaque pasture
I only bought X570 because B550 did not exist at the time... and even then I hate fan noise so much I bought literally the only X570 board without a chipset fan... which has caused trouble since it's an E-ATX board
fringe island
i9-10850k vs ryzen 7 5800x?
opaque pasture
Ryzen in general. I didn't pay close attention to the reviews for the models below 5900X, but if the 5000 series follows the pattern of its predecessors, the 5700X is probably a better buy, as the 5800X would be a slightly better binned 5700X for an extra $100 or more, and it's just not worth it.
This was definitely the case with the 3700X and 3800X, at least.
elfin warren
5700x doesnt exist
opaque pasture
Ah. Well then.
I have a 3900X so I never paid much attention to the models below the 900 model.
hardy moon
i9-10850k vs ryzen 7 5800x?
Just gaming probably 5800x or 11600k, if multicore loads then 10850k is good
vast meadow
x570 is the superior chipset
Yes but not needed only real diff is pcie 4.0 for ssds
elfin warren
X570 unnecessary
vast meadow
i9-10850k vs ryzen 7 5800x?
10850k if you need 10 cores for budget but otherwise 5800x
stark badger
which cheap i3 10 gen motherboard do i get.
elfin warren
B560 $109
vale turret
wait is the x570 good?
hardy moon
wait is the x570 good?
Depends on which one and generally most people donāt need the features of x570 over b550
vale turret
TUF X570 plus?
vale turret
for AM4
vale turret
dumb question but how do I know which gen
grizzled bloom
AMD is confusing with their numbering
Zen 3 is the fourth generation and is the 5000 series š
opaque pasture
And I thought Zen 3 should have been like Zen2+
vale turret
oh that's such a well though out numbering system
grizzled bloom
Still better than Intel
opaque pasture
I thought Zen / Zen+ / Zen 2 was a good tick / tock cycle
grizzled bloom
i7 10510Y
hollow thorn
But Zen 2 will be fine, Zen 3 is going to be wack
vale turret
ngl part of the reason I went with AMD was bc intel was too hard
silk ice
instead of floppy disks we're getting floppy cpu's now
split copper
digital kernel
What motherboard?
marble knot
my mobo is b450 aorus elite v2
digital kernel
Is it in the pinned datasheet?
marble knot
dont think so
digital kernel
Found it, it's there
marble knot
where?!
digital kernel
Row 224
marble knot
link plz
digital kernel
In the pins
marble knot
wdym?
digital kernel
The pinned messages
marble knot
im in gigabyte website
marble knot
oh thx
digital kernel
Not much info yet, but it does have the power connector info and the phases
What CPU are you looking to put in it?
marble knot
i have a cpu
but i wanna know the most powerful cpu i can put in it
if i wanna upgrade do i have to put a new mobo in
digital kernel
What CPU are you looking to put in it?
marble knot
idk
digital kernel
What are you going to be doing with it?
marble knot
i wanna know the best cpu i can put in it
without blowing it up
for upgradeability porpuses
digital kernel
What will you be doing on the system?
digital kernel
The best CPU depends on what you're going to be doing
marble knot
just if i wanna upgrade
digital kernel
There is no "best" CPU
digital kernel
Chances are it doesn't even matter for you, and that motherboard will be more than enough for what you'll use it for
And before I go and hunt down those specs, I want to make sure it'll actually be useful information
Another question that's very important, do you already own the motherboard?
marble knot
yesd
digital kernel
And what will you be using your system for?
digital kernel
You can't use a single board system for "everything"
What sort of editing?
Video clips from games?
marble knot
yep
digital kernel
What resolution monitor?
digital kernel
Will you be doing any sort of CFD or other simulations?
marble knot
no
digital kernel
Then the best CPU for that motherboard will likely be a 5800x, which it will handle just fine once you update the bios
Anything beyond that would be better spent in upgrading other parts of the system, like the GPU
marble knot
could i put a 5950x in it if i wanted?
digital kernel
It'll fit, but it would be a stupid waste of money and silicon, and they're also basically impossible to find.
marble knot
i mean for power draw
digital kernel
As for whether it'll run, if you get a good bin and undervolt the snot out of it it'll be fine
If you get a bad bin and don't mess with that sort of settings it will probably brown out or throttle
It almost definitely won't stand up to any sort of overclocking, whether manual or automatic, so you'd most likely lose performance compared to the 5800x
marble knot
ok
digital kernel
The only figures I'm seeing anywhere is that they can supply 75A-100A
marble knot
at what voltage
digital kernel
If those numbers are reliable, you'd either have to win the silicon lottery or do a crap ton of tweaking to get a 5950x stable
Whatever voltage you set it to
marble knot
i just wanna know the max wattage that mobo can take
digital kernel
More than you need
The numbers I'm seeing put it somewhere in the 90W-150W range, but I haven't been able to find anything solid
marble knot
ok thats fine all i needed to know
digital kernel
That's not a useful number
marble knot
why
digital kernel
It's an absolutely huge range
digital kernel
5950x can easily draw over 200W
elfin warren
Well, that depends on if you remove the power limits or not
Can remove them via PBO
IIRC
marble knot
vintaaaagggggggggggge
digital kernel
My best guess is that you would have to do some serious tweaking to get a 5950x running on it. It's not worth
digital kernel
Overloading what?
digital kernel
The mobo or the psu?
marble knot
idk
digital kernel
What PSU?
digital kernel
I would not put a 5950x in that motherboard
digital kernel
It could probably technically work, but it's running a fine line and you'd have to do lots of manual tweaking
marble knot
im dum so no
digital kernel
5800x will work great, especially after turning on PBO
marble knot
and if i was spending 1k on a cpu ill get a new mobo
digital kernel
You might not be able to push the 5800x to it's absolute max, but you'll still get some pretty good performance off of it
digital kernel
Anything beyond a 5800x will not really benefit your use case in any case, so you're not really losing anything
digital kernel
Don't bother with a 3900x. The 5800x is far superior
marble knot
r9 is 12-16
digital kernel
5800x draws less power, so you'll have more headroom as far as cooling and boosting goes, and has better performance
marble knot
oh ok
digital kernel
3900x is almost as power hungry as the 5950x
marble knot
oh
digital kernel
Here's the relative performance for a single core cinebench run
marble knot
multi core
digital kernel
Slightly better on the 3900x, but with your workload you'll care far more about singlecore, and even then the improvement won't be worth the extra cost
marble knot
oh ok
ionic hamlet
I went for a 5600x. I figured it would suit my needs for some time to come, and I plan to get a b550 board to put it in.
long basalt
Honestly if you are Video Editing you should be using a GPU to assist with Video Encoding.
If you have at least a 300 Series AMD GPU, or a 900 series Nvidia GPU you should be able to massively speed up a Video Encode by using your GPU to encode with.
pale mist
Me with a 290 
untold bison
Bruh I ordered laptop ram from Newegg and it said it would arrive Monday
Itās Friday
winged needle
Bruh I ordered laptop ram from Newegg and it said it would arrive Monday
thats not that long
smh
Patience
smoky widget
@untold bison check the tracking number. If it gets delayed. It could be an issue with Fedex or UPS. Be patient
tender gulch
is it just me or are ram prices increasing
tender gulch
i really need some ram to get the pc up and runnin. any recommendations man? im looking at the 32 kit ver. for 220ish
elfin warren
Why so much ram?
tender gulch
heavy gaming and moderate video editing.
elfin warren
32 GB should be fine then
smoky widget
I been looking for some ram too 32GB for 10900k black. No RGB. The ones I seen the timings were not great
tender gulch
is $220 worth it then? cl16 3600
elfin warren
For Ryzen?
smoky widget
what's the timings?
elfin warren
It's Ballistix
tender gulch
For Ryzen?
yeah
elfin warren
If Ballistix, it's good
vernal cosmos
Even ripjaws are very good
tender gulch
what's the timings?
16-18-18-38
hollow thorn
It'll be reve or the other good one
smoky widget
yes, or 16-19-19-39
hollow thorn
What
smoky widget
I been told not good. I been looking at 3600
elfin warren
XD
elfin warren
Yes
hollow thorn
16-19-19-39 most likely means djr
elfin warren
16-19 is usually Gskill with Hynix dies
smoky widget
16-19-19-39 most likely means djr
What you mean?
hollow thorn
Micron rev e, name of the die
tender gulch
im still a noob-ish
hollow thorn
Really good die for OCing
elfin warren
Good die period
tender gulch
ah
tender gulch
alrighty then. i should buy it before it goes up even more
hollow thorn
Ddr4 ram prices shouldn't really ever come down now that we're moving to ddr5
So, as good a time as ever imo
tender gulch
its a downgrade from what i wanted but ... desperate times man
right, dang. ddr5 i forgot that its almost here
smoky widget
Agreed. Usually in late 4th quarter for the holidays
But ya if someone finds some good 3200 or 3600 32gb no RGB and black pm me
tender gulch
wait if ddr4 prices are just going to increase even more and never go back down. then should i get the 64gb version?
smoky widget
The few gskills you guys been telling me bad timings
whatever you can get @tender gulch your decision
tender gulch
just trying to make sure if this info is correct. i want to make an informed decision before i go full monke
tender gulch
plan*
I'll buy the 32gb for a starting point. If i need more i can buy the 64 later on when/if, prices fall and pass down the 32gb to the second pc im building for my sister.
is this dumb or an actual good idea?
elfin warren
It's fine
32 GB should be more than enough for what you're doing
I have 32 GB and hardly touch it
tender gulch
nice, thanks man
elfin warren
š
I also host game servers and play at the same time
32 should be fine. Also edit my GoPro videos no problem
tender gulch
wow thats... really good
elfin warren
Ye
People often overestimate how much ram they really need
if you're doing 4K stuff, might push 32 GB kinda hard but should still be OK
tender gulch
i'll be using 3 2k monitors. monitors don't realyl effect ram much right?
tender gulch
yeah that what i thought 
elfin warren
GPOu help with rendering though if the software supports it
tender gulch
oh neat!
welp i just have to wait till tomorrow morning to place my order on B&H.
thanks man. this really helped me out
elfin warren
YW
vale turret
how do I find my die type?
elfin warren
Either remove heat spreaders and check the modules or use Thaiphoon burner
vale turret
does checking the modules require taking stuff apart?
I didn't phrase that very well, is that hardware?
elfin warren
Yeah, you have to take the ram out and remove the metal covers if it has them
Or use Thaiphoon Burner which is software
vale turret
oh yeah that sounds like a pain, thaiphoon burner it is
vale turret
what about the CPU die type
elfin warren
That's just the CPU model
If you don't know what it is
Either use Task Manger or CPU-Z
vale turret
oh so like 3700x?
elfin warren
That's ram
vale turret
that would explain why RAM was the only thing popping up
vale turret
thank you!
grim hornet
The ryzen 5 5600x or intel i9 10850k with the 3070 for mainly gaming, in the future i am willing to start streaming and learning video/photo editing.
autumn geode
The ryzen 5 5600x or intel i9 10850k with the 3070 for mainly gaming, in the fut...
I would go with amd rn
vast meadow
5600x, 5800x if its in your budget
autumn geode
5600x, 5800x if its in your budget
the 5800x is $70 more than the 10850k
vast meadow
the 5800x is $70 more than the 10850k
That's why i said if it's in your budget, i mean unless they're getting the 10850k at micro center which is like 20$ more than the 5600x than if it's in budget and they dont need the extra 2 cores it's worth it
woven epoch
What's equivalent to the Ryzen 5 3600 on Intel's cpu ?
vast meadow
Don't buy a ryzen 5 3600 now but the equivalent is the i5 10400, the new Ryzen 5 5600x's equivalent is the i5 11400
woven epoch
Don't buy a ryzen 5 3600 now but the equivalent is the i5 10400, the new Ryzen 5...
I have the Ryzen 5 3600, i got for around $200 back a year ago
vast meadow
Ahh okay
woven epoch
I'm wondering how it'll be, going from Ryzen 5 3600 to Lunar Lake
vast meadow
As in 12th gen?
woven epoch
It's 15th gen
woven epoch
Lunar Lake the 7nm cpu planning on being released in 2024, i hope
vast meadow
Noone will know
woven epoch
I've seen the plans of Intel from Pauls Hardware and Jayz2cents
vast meadow
Noone can know what the performance is gonna be like that far ahead
woven epoch
What? They're only on 11th gen now
Mane, must be crazy to hear "Hey ready to get the 15th gen cpu?" while only to find out that 11th gen is the newest gen being released
woven epoch
Noone can know what the performance is gonna be like that far ahead
True, and I do hope it's not too power hungry
vast meadow
Mane, must be crazy to hear "Hey ready to get the 15th gen cpu?" while only to f...
Did you think they would have 15th soon?
woven epoch
Nope, but i'm hyped to see the specs and performances of Lunar Lake
sadly that's a bajillion years from now
vast meadow
True, and I do hope it's not too power hungry
It will obviously depend on what model, throughout both Ryzen and intels lineups atm there is 60w and 95w tdp processors but they can both go over those numbers
Yeah not for another 3 years or so anyway
woven epoch
it would be crazy to hear about a cpu using 10w and the performace equivalent to a Ryzen 9 5900x
vast meadow
That would be cool but i think we'd have to get a bit smaller nodes
finite elm
Nope, but i'm hyped to see the specs and performances of Lunar Lake
Isn't it Alder Lake that's coming next?
vast meadow
Isn't it Alder Lake that's coming next?
Yup they were wondering about 15th gen
autumn geode
Isn't it Alder Lake that's coming next?
thats what intel said
hollow thorn
@elfin warren found some propaganda we can use to promote ballistix sticks lol
https://youtu.be/XeDRz3mRIfs
vast meadow
Ballsitix 
limber dragon
<@!618616722840223754> found some propaganda we can use to promote ballistix sti...
just need to teach people about vttddr 
woven epoch
What motherboard is best fit for the Core i7-10700f ?
grizzled bloom
Something B560-something
vast meadow
^Pretty much any b560 yeah with the features that are important to you/willing to pay extra for eg wiif/ integrated io, msi vdh is a decent cheap one tho
rough moth
I really need cheap mobo for i5-6500
elfin warren
Find a used Z170 on Ebay. Buying it now from a store is expensive
autumn frigate
just need to teach people about vttddr <:FingerGuns:723105782534635590>
True rev e likes a lower vtt voltage then half of vdimm, tho most motherboards donāt have proper vtt controls to lower it, except gigabyte, they basically put it on all their boards
autumn geode
What motherboard is best fit for the Core i7-10700f ?
depends hugely on ur badget
*budget
autumn geode
lol
autumn geode
What motherboard is best fit for the Core i7-10700f ?
autumn geode
What motherboard is best fit for the Core i7-10700f ?
best high end board would be https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-maximus-xiii-hero/p/N82E16813119366?Item=9SIAD6HE448067
autumn geode
I really need cheap mobo for i5-6500
silk ice
^ Hellman's mayonnaise makes great thermal paste
Exactly mayo for paste and concrete in your loop
grizzled bloom
In all seriousness, toothpaste makes for decent thermal paste in the short term if you're just waiting for that in the mail or something
pale mist
@coarse shuttle the thing that pisses me off the most about that is Gigabyte did not make an Ultra Durable board like that on really anything other then x58
The design was carried over from 775 but the ram slot placement was different
livid sparrow
In all seriousness, toothpaste makes for decent thermal paste in the short term ...
Makes your CPU minty fresh too
vast meadow
In all seriousness, toothpaste makes for decent thermal paste in the short term ...
At least your system will smell minty fresh XD
warm lance
How much do you guys pay for 8gb ram ddr4?
vast meadow
Just buy 16gb games will take more than 8gb nowadays and it's usually 70ish for 2x8gb 3200cl16 vs like 50 for 1x8gb
silk ice
Just buy 16gb games will take more than 8gb nowadays and it's usually 70ish for ...
Also out of curiosity do you know anything about OLOy memory? I shy'd away from it when I did my build just because I had never heard of them but are they a reliable brand.
vast meadow
Also out of curiosity do you know anything about OLOy memory? I shy'd away from ...
I believe so but ballistix is so cheap and better so just go ballistix they good
fiery lodge
This built in wifi? MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard
If not give me a good one
Can I have the link for the motherboard what u suggested?
@vast meadow
fiery lodge
Never mind, what Iām saying is can you give me the link for a good built in wifi?
@vast meadow
vast meadow
Never mind, what Iām saying is can you give me the link for a good built in wifi...
The b550 with built in WiFi that's cheap? I believe it's an msi vdh wifi
fiery lodge
Or thatās good with wifi
vast meadow
1 sec
fiery lodge
Ok
vast meadow
vast meadow
What features do you want?
fiery lodge
Like what
vast meadow
Well why not vdh?
fiery lodge
What features do you want?
What feature is there?
vast meadow
Like do you want wifi? Integrated io shield? Atx board instead?
fiery lodge
Well why not vdh?
Iām trying to understand more
fiery lodge
Like do you want wifi? Integrated io shield? Atx board instead?
Yea wifi
fiery lodge
Ok
Ignore the cheapest, whatās the best thatās built in wifi?
I use Lian li Lancool mesh
Case
vast meadow
They're all give the same fps if that's what you're asking like
Motherboards are basically just a feature set but what cpu do you want to use?
If ryzen 5/7 that will do just fine if ryzen 9 you might want a bit more expensive board
fiery lodge
Motherboards are basically just a feature set but what cpu do you want to use?
Prob 7
yea
vast meadow
That will do fine then
elfin warren
Because ethernet or add on cards
vast meadow
Because it usually saves money
elfin warren
My board has onboard wifi and it's fast
fiery lodge
Ok
vast meadow
I got my board with no WiFi because i don't need it really and it was a big diff between my board and cheapest with wifi too
elfin warren
Mine was like $20 difference
fiery lodge
What if something happened to Ethernet, u canāt do anything on the pc unless u get another Ethernet
vast meadow
What if something happened to Ethernet, u canāt do anything on the pc unless u g...
You can get an add in card for ethernet or WiFi
elfin warren
You're in the same boat if the WiFi card dies too
fiery lodge
U can use Ethernet with built in wifi?
elfin warren
One at a time
elfin warren
Can use both but not at the same time
fiery lodge
Oh
vast meadow
Ethernet takes priority, if you have ethernet plugged in and connected to wifi then the wifi will just be a back up basically
fiery lodge
So in my potato pc, I have a built in wifi, I connect the Ethernet then it used Ethernet and not the wifi
right?
vast meadow
Yep
fiery lodge
So ppl buy mobo with no wifi and buys a built in card
?
Whatās the diff with that and mobo which has built in wifi
severe skiff
Whatās the diff with that and mobo which has built in wifi
you dont need to get another expansion card for wifi
vast meadow
So ppl buy mobo with no wifi and buys a built in card
Most people don't get a WiFi motherboard because they dont need wifi
severe skiff
sometimes the built-in wifi is better than current expansion cards
vast meadow
Yeah
elfin warren
severe skiff
but i think all built-in wifi for b450/x470 and up is wifi 6
hollow thorn
It all depends on the board
hollow thorn
but i think all built-in wifi for b450/x470 and up is wifi 6
No, lots of 802.11ac
severe skiff
might be mistaken
hollow thorn
Like b550 aorus pro ac
severe skiff
wifi isnt an option for me lmao
severe skiff
still need a wrx80 motherboard
im surprised its out of stock everywhere
not many people have threadripper pros
vast meadow
<:NYEHE:641084949746679831>
You must pay an arm and a leg to get those internet speeds
elfin warren
You must pay an arm and a leg to get those internet speeds
Just WiFi
Not internet š
Intranet
severe skiff
lmao
elfin warren
That's my home WiFi network
severe skiff
speedtest?
elfin warren
My internet is 200 down, 5 up
devout mothBOT
Severus#7785 has been warned
elfin warren
That's not my internet speed
elfin warren
Just home network
severe skiff
oh
vast meadow
I get
elfin warren
not PC to internet XD
hollow thorn
200 down 5 up pretty normal for wifi though, if it's what you pay for
severe skiff
quick question tho
elfin warren
200 down 5 up pretty normal for wifi though, if it's what you pay for
It's exactly what I pay for
vast meadow
200 down 5 up pretty normal for wifi though, if it's what you pay for
Yeah i get 120 down 12 up
severe skiff
should i wait for restock or just buy on ebay?
to my knowledge, it has been months since the last time it was in stock
fiery lodge
sometimes the built-in wifi is better than current expansion cards
So I should get built in wifi or not?
Iām thinking to have WiFi
vast meadow
If you want wifi just get the vdh wifi
last lynx
yo, currently replacing my brothers mobo, if any one could find me a budget intel mobo, with at least like 1 m.2 slot. he has an i5 10th gen.
also preferably itx, but its okay if its atx
grizzled bloom
B560 is still pretty new, so there's not a lot of ITX boards for the chipset. Micro ATX is a lot easier to find, but in high demand since you can overclock the memory on it now.
If you don't think he needs the new features on B560 he could probably make do with a B460 ITX board. What do you think? Will he be using fast memory?
grizzled bloom
B460 is fine then
last lynx
dope, thx mang.
grizzled bloom
vast meadow
150 for a b460, pretty sure theres an asrock b560 itx for like 120 but š¤·āāļø asrock hates intel in fairness
grizzled bloom
B560 is mostly out of stock
grizzled bloom
150 for a b460, pretty sure theres an asrock b560 itx for like 120 but š¤·āāļø asr...
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157995?quicklink=true
That's the one you're thinking of
grizzled bloom
Asrock doesn't like existing
Their cheap boards are really bad, and the BIOS on almost every board is awful
grizzled bloom
High end Asrock on AMD is good, and a couple mid range boards. I never do cheap Asrock though.
vast meadow
i see
vast meadow
tbf who uses facebook, and why why would you wanna buy a cpu/mobo 2nd hand?
warm lance
Memory
vast meadow
ohh unless youre getting some rlly cheap why not just buy some ballistix 2x8gb 3200 for like 70$
warm lance
Cuz maybe I can get lucky and buy new from people who buy DDR4 instead or ddr3 for their pc
But I guess Iāll start buying 2x8gb and split
vast meadow
i mean id say 45 mb if youre lucky for 3200 2x8gb
fringe island
Is it safe overclocking ryzen 7 5800x with an aio?
vast meadow
Yes as long as you don't put in stupid voltage yes but precision boost overdrive is better unless you're doing extreme overclocking
old delta
@fringe island yes just do it in small increments
warm lance
i mean id say 45 mb if youre lucky for 3200 2x8gb
I just got 2x8gb 3200 for $60
I waited all day
vast meadow
I just got 2x8gb 3200 for $60
What brand and cl?
grizzled bloom
Watch it be CL 18 or 16-22-22-22
warm lance
What brand and cl?
Yes cl
warm lance
Watch it be CL 18 or 16-22-22-22
16
grizzled bloom
Ok, what about the rest of the timings?
There's a major difference between 16-22-22-22 and 16-16-16-16
vast meadow
What's the brand?
warm lance
Ballistix
warm lance
Its $88
grizzled bloom
Ballistix huh, probably 16-18 or 16-20 then
warm lance
So ye
vast meadow
No but why would you
noble rampart
why does intel lock its processors?
and what is the difference between the 11400 and the 11600f?
vast meadow
why does intel lock its processors?
because they can charge extra for unlocked
noble rampart
because they can charge extra for unlocked
is it worth it?
vast meadow
and what is the difference between the 11400 and the 11600f?
11400 is the best value for budgetish atm, 11600 (i believe there is only a 1600kf) is unlocked, has slightly higher clocks and has the better igpu
noble rampart
ok
vast meadow
is it worth it?
not if youre going to not overclock and not for i5 imo because you need a z490/z590 mobo to oc
noble rampart
is there a big value difference? and whats the gap between the i5 11400 and r5?
vast meadow
r5 5600x?
vast meadow
not really
noble rampart
ok
vast meadow
r5 bit better but imo not $120 extra
noble rampart
how much better?
vast meadow
and the i5 is actually in stock everywhere
noble rampart
true
elfin warren
If 5600x, then 11500
vast meadow
if the was the same price mb 20 more
noble rampart
but microcenter is what matters for me
vast meadow
but microcenter is what matters for me
why, microcenter are selling 5600x for like 350 no?
noble rampart
why, microcenter are selling 5600x for like 350 no?
they changed it to 280
when I emailed them about newegg having it in stock for cheaper
noble rampart
ok
vast meadow
why not just get in newegg then lol?
noble rampart
ikr
vast meadow
ohh because newegg doesnt always have stock?
vast meadow
not in single core
noble rampart
considering the r7 is 280 and thhe i5 is 180
vast meadow
do you need more cores?
noble rampart
not in single core
Ik
noble rampart
do you need more cores?
not right now necessarily
vast meadow
do you want 8 cores tho?
noble rampart
what would upgrading in the future look like? (for cpu)
noble rampart
do you want 8 cores tho?
kinda
noble rampart
the sockets are both at end of life
Ik
so should I spend a little more on a better cpu if I can't upgrade?
vast meadow
so should I spend a little more on a better cpu if I can't upgrade?
if you can
noble rampart
ok
vast meadow
i also belive 10700 is like 230 at micro
if you need 8 cores
and if 5800x isnt in budget
noble rampart
ok
vast meadow
which i doubt is if youre looking at i5 11400 or 5600x
noble rampart
fyi I am kinda limited to at a 800ish budget total, but am willing to spend 50 more for a much better processor that I won't have to upgrade for a few years
vast meadow
also how could I get the price point down closer to 800?
You can get the 10700k for 250 so change the price on that first
What's your usecase again btw?
noble rampart
ok
noble rampart
What's your usecase again btw?
school cad simulators (ksp) some gaming
kind of multi purpose
vast meadow
Does cad take advantage of single or multi core performance?
Because if it's single you might be better off with the 11400
grizzled bloom
Depends on the CAD program
noble rampart
Does cad take advantage of single or multi core performance?
multi
grizzled bloom
Usually multi though yeah
vast meadow
Depends on the CAD program
Yeah i was jw because apparently autocad used single core and not multi
noble rampart
yes
vast meadow
What gpu do you plan to put in it btw? When upgrading the 1060?
noble rampart
What gpu do you plan to put in it btw? When upgrading the 1060?
whenever there is some stock for msrp
so basically never (jk)
but like maybe in a yr
vast meadow
But what tier? Like a 3060 ti
noble rampart
But what tier? Like a 3060 ti
yes
vast meadow
600w psu might be better idea then
vast meadow
Tbh idk how you could bring it down to that without going with a 10400 or 11400
grizzled bloom
The Z boards are more expensive because they unlocked the overclocking that they locked just to put it behind a pay gate
limber dragon
ehhhh Z boards also have stronger vrms for the most part, almost always have vrm heatsinks, and generally have a better memory trace layout
elfin warren
Why 3700x?
noble rampart
I can use the stock cooler for a little while
elfin warren
slow ram
noble rampart
Why 3700x?
because I don't do any heavy gaming and I want something that will last for a few years
elfin warren
Then go Intel
noble rampart
and it was about the same a the i7 10700k
and the intel motherboards are much more expensive
for no more features
elfin warren
Only the Z boards
vast meadow
Only the Z boards
Tbf at micro the k and non k are same price
noble rampart
I couldn't find any that had what I wanted for under 170
vast meadow
And they getting at micro
noble rampart
Tbf at micro the k and non k are same price
Ik
elfin warren
3700x just doesn't make sense with other things on the market so get what you want
noble rampart
3700x just doesn't make sense with other things on the market so get what you wa...
wdym?
vast meadow
You might as well save 30$ and get a 10700
elfin warren
Or 11600
noble rampart
but I lose those 30 and more on the over-priced motherboard
vast meadow
Do you need a wifi board?
noble rampart
yes
also I can upgrade to a r9 5950x in the future when it is cheaper if I need to upgrade
vast meadow
^
noble rampart
wab on the asus prime wifi b550?
vast meadow
Also 5950x will only be cheap in like 6 years when it's obselete or something
vast meadow
wab on the asus prime wifi b550?
No flashback iirc
noble rampart
No flashback iirc
ik but if I get the r7 3700x I don't need flashback
vast meadow
Yes ik but they were asking what the upgrade paths where like, if they might be better going intel/amd if upgrade path
vast meadow
ik but if I get the r7 3700x I don't need flashback
Ohh yeah just default reaction to b550 lol
vast meadow
I believe the 10700k outperforms the 3700x tho no?
noble rampart
does it?
noble rampart
cause part of it is that I know I can upgrade to a r9 in the future on a am4 socket, but that doesn't seem to be the case on intel motherboards (like an upgrade path)
because the intel flagship cpus seem pretty trash
vast meadow
Yeah 3700x better multi threaded, 10700k better single threaded
elfin warren
cause part of it is that I know I can upgrade to a r9 in the future on a am4 soc...
Not if you buy a cheap motherboard
5900x and up needs decent VRM
It'll work but boost clocks will suffer
vast meadow
And also it's not gonna be "cheap" either
noble rampart
5900x and up needs decent VRM
I thought the b550 prime wifi had a good vrm
magic light
Ugh I think my Motherboard died
I turned my Pc on after cleaning my CPU cooler and replaced thermal paste,
It turned on perfectly fine
I shut it down, screwed everything back it
Booted it up and it didnāt turn on
magic light
I tested my PSU and the fan works
elfin warren
5900x will be worse
magic light
I took off the extensions on my PSU and still nothing
noble rampart
3900x cooks em
my cousin has one with a 3900x and it works great
magic light
My front panel connector are plugged in correctly