cpus-mobo-and-memory

[long basalt]

I did CAD work on an i5-6600K with a GTX 970 and 16GB of RAM back when I was a freshman in College.

[noble rampart]

ok

[long basalt]

And I never exceeded maybe 100 parts in a single assembly.

[noble rampart]

k

[low radish]

whre could i find a ddr4 8gb sodimm ram that runs at 1866MHz ?

[elfin warren]

Amazon or Newegg. Just search SODIMM 8GB 1866

[long basalt]

1866 isn't a DDR4 speed.

That's like, super fast DDR3 speeds

[low radish]

will do

[low radish]

welp i dunno this is my current ram

Type: DDR4
Manufacturer: Hynix/Hyundai
Maximum Speed: 2400 MT/s
Current Speed: 933 MT/s
Size: 8192 MB
Part number: HMA81GS6AFR8N-UH
Serial number: 29CEF92F

[long basalt]

DDR4 starts at 2133 and goes up

[vast meadow]

Unless playing Esports titles, then mb a few frames XD

[long basalt]

You dumdum, that's 2400Mhz

[noble rampart]

idk which to buy tbh

[vast meadow]

Do you have a motherboard already?

[noble rampart]

no

[low radish]

well yes but the manufacturer says its 1866mhz

[vast meadow]

If not get an 11400 and b560

[noble rampart]

doesn't intel change their sockets a ton though

[long basalt]

Just buy a 2x8 kit at like, DDR4-3000

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DPyxFT/corsair-vengeance-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-cmsx16gx4m2a3000c16 110 USD

[low radish]

jut need one but thank you

[compact sun]

when are we gonna be able to buy video cards again?

[vast meadow]

Both intel sockets and amd sockets are at end of life atm so doesn't matter

[long basalt]

Why? Mixing RAM is a bad idea. Buy a 2x8 kit so you KNOW it will work together.

[low radish]

hmmmmmm

good point

[noble rampart]

ok, so if I couldn't buy anything until say... august, should I just wait until the new socket?

[long basalt]

Yes.

[long basalt]

LGA1200 isn't EOL

[noble rampart]

It just makes everything run at the speed of the slowest stick

[long basalt]

False. Some kits outright won't boot if mixed with another kit.

[noble rampart]

watch the LTT video on that

[vast meadow]

Yes it is, after 11th gen, 12th gen is gonna be on 1700

Or something

[elfin warren]

Bah

[long basalt]

Oh, how odd. I'm surprised they need ANOTHER new socket.

[grizzled bloom]

It's mostly mixed dies on different memory kits that doesn't work right

[vast meadow]

Intel has been new socket every 2 gens

[long basalt]

LGA115x lasted a LONG time.

[vast meadow]

11200 is 10th and 11th gen

[long basalt]

Is your 1 key broken?

You keep double pressing it.

[noble rampart]

lol

[elfin warren]

1151 KIND OF did. Socket was the same but the chipset will bite you hard

2 gens per chipset

[long basalt]

Yeah, for no reason. Intel was making the big stupid during 1151 era

[elfin warren]

Still are

:/

[long basalt]

If Intel hadn't done stupid chipset garbage in 1151 era, the 1151 socket might STILL be in use today.

[noble rampart]

ok so I should wait until next intel/ryzen gen

[elfin warren]

Mobo only good for 2 CPU gens

[elfin warren]

Nah, build now

[long basalt]

Uhhhh.... I wouldn't...

[elfin warren]

Next gen is DDR5, new socket and all the issues that come with it

2022

[vast meadow]

Man i ain't got time to remember how many pins intel has on their mobos xd

[long basalt]

Ryzen 6000

[elfin warren]

So yeah, wait 6 months or build now

[noble rampart]

and should I buy ram and a gpu now if I have a good deal from a friend

[vast meadow]

Am5

[elfin warren]

7000 for desktop, 6000 for mobile 😉

[long basalt]

We haven't exceeded 10000 pins on a single socket.

[long basalt]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[elfin warren]

I wouldn't early adopt DDR5 and the new stuff TBH

Buy now and enjoy it

[noble rampart]

ok, so buy ram now

[elfin warren]

Instead of dealing with headaches

[long basalt]

AMD please for the love of god stop skipping generations!

[vast meadow]

Yes ik but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vast meadow]

Intel for the love of god get better mobo naming XD

[long basalt]

DDR5 is nice for everyone. It has On-Die ECC, so less errors for everyone!

[noble rampart]

will pcie gen 5.0 and ddr5 still support ddr4 and pcie gen 4.0?

[long basalt]

PCIe Yes, RAM No.

[noble rampart]

hmm

ok

[grizzled bloom]

PCIe 5.0 won't be a thing for a long time still

[long basalt]

PCIe has ALWAYS been Backwards Compatible. RAM Has NEVER been

[elfin warren]

yes to PCI-E no to DDR5

Just like USB

[noble rampart]

so will the new boards work with old ram?

[long basalt]

No.

[elfin warren]

Nope

[long basalt]

Every generation of RAM has had a different pin layout to make it so you can't use old RAM with an incompatible board.

[elfin warren]

SO build a new PC now or wait a year TBH while the bugs get worked out of DDR5

and new CPU's

[noble rampart]

hmm

[long basalt]

DDR3 can't fit in a DDR4 Slot.

[vast meadow]

Sure gpus don't even need all 16 pcie 3.0 lanes XD

[elfin warren]

Honestly first gen DDR5 probably won't be a huge increase over what we have now

[noble rampart]

but If I can't buy in until august, should I try to get in this gen, or later

[elfin warren]

Still this gen

[long basalt]

3090's at full tilt can actually exceed the speed of a PCIe 16x Slot at 3.0 speeds.

[vast meadow]

Can they really?

I don't think they utilise the full slot?

[long basalt]

Pretty sure either Samsung or Micron has validated dies at 8400Mhz

[noble rampart]

ok, so I if I buy in august I should still go with last gen

[long basalt]

Not sure the Latency of that though.

[elfin warren]

Well, validated doesn't mean much

Also, CPU's gotta catch up to that with the IMC

[noble rampart]

?

I'm just wondering if I should take my friends deal for ram and a gpu

obviously the gpu, but should I get the ram

[elfin warren]

What is it?

If it's 3200/3600 yes, Any slower, no

[noble rampart]

3200

[long basalt]

What latency?

[vast meadow]

16gb 3200 lpx for 50 iirc

[elfin warren]

Good for an INtel build, not so much AMD

[noble rampart]

its vengeance LPX 3200

[noble rampart]

wdym?

[elfin warren]

As long as it's not CL20 I'd take it for free

AMD thrives on 3600+ speed

INtel does well with 3200 speed

[grizzled bloom]

GPUs still don't even need 8 gen 3 lanes lol

[vast meadow]

3200 lpx is cl16

[elfin warren]

All of it?

[vast meadow]

Exactly, someone out here saying 3090 needs all 16 lanes XD

[long basalt]

Not true, I'm pretty sure a 3090 at full tilt exceeds a 3.0 x16 link. Not while Gaming, but for like other more intensive tasks.

[noble rampart]

ok

[vast meadow]

Pretty sure, mine is anyway when i was shopping didn't see any cl18

[elfin warren]

I mean, I've seen Gold Neo's at CL19 so

XD

[grizzled bloom]

Only with re-sizable BAR on, without that the bandwidth requirement is still under a x16 link

Even with the Re-BAR on I doubt it gets close to x16

[noble rampart]

It's 50 bucks

[vast meadow]

Re bar usually looses perf for nvidia anyway lol

[elfin warren]

I mean free is free, I'd take it and use it in an Intel build

Like, 11400 or something

[noble rampart]

are you saying $50 is free? (i'm confused)

[elfin warren]

Oh, I thought they were giving you the ram

If they're selling it to you, that's basically half price for a 16 GB kit so still a good deal

[noble rampart]

k (they r selling it w/ a 1060)

[elfin warren]

Nice

1060 3 GB or 6 GB?

[noble rampart]

3gb (I know it's not the best... but what else would I get)

it's the EVGA sc gaming one

[elfin warren]

yeah, that's 1050TI ish level performance, good for 1080p

[noble rampart]

Ik

but he's selling it for a (decent) $160

[elfin warren]

I mean, there's on Ebay for $135 RN

Zotac though

Compared to the rest of the market that does seem OK

[noble rampart]

k

[glad pebble]

Heyo, could i use 3200mhz ddr4 RAM on a b460m motherboard? Ive seen conflicting answers online. Or should i just buy 3000mhz ram?

[elfin warren]

Depends on the CPU

If i5, then no

If i7/i9, max speed is 2933

i5/i3 is 2666

[swift shale]

GPU- Nvidia RTX 3070
CPU- Intel core i9- 10900k processor
HDD- Seagate BarraCuda 2TB HDD
SSD- Samsung 980 pro
RAM- Corsair Vengeance RGB pro 32 GB RAM What motherboard do you recommend and should I get an ATX or mATX

[long basalt]

What case are you cramming all of that into?

And why a 980 Pro?

And why 32GB of RAM?

And why a 10900K?

The 10850K is like, 80 bucks cheaper and performs at around 90% the speed of a 10900K

Same core layout, same wattage, it's just 0.1mhz slower before OC.

[glad pebble]

I7-10700f but couldnt i just clock the ram down to 2933?

[elfin warren]

have to do it manually. XMP wouldn't work

Do you already have the MB?

[long basalt]

Most 10850K's are just slightly worse dies that were rejected for 10900K use, but were better than 10700K's

[glad pebble]

Its a prebuilt lol

[elfin warren]

Ahhhhh

Just get 2933 ram then

[glad pebble]

Yeah and im doing video editing so i need ram

Okay thank you!

[long basalt]

@swift shale Hello? Answers for my questions would be nice.

[glad pebble]

Didnt know if getting 3000mhz ram wouldnt be worth it in the long run

[elfin warren]

10th gen intel doesn't support PCI-E 4.0 so drive is pointless. Z490/590 is the way. If you don't want to OC, get a 10900 and B560

[long basalt]

I mean, the 980 Pro is a pointless drive in the first place for 99.99% of use cases.

[elfin warren]

Of course

Even more so when it can't even be used at Gen 4 speeds XD

I gotta wonder how many people are buying gen 4 drives on Z590 and plopping in 10th gen processors

[vast meadow]

[grizzled bloom]

"It's more expensive and says it's faster! It must be better!"

[long basalt]

Kinda sad this Tyler guy hasn't responded.

I wanted to help him get a better build for the money...

😢

[hollow thorn]

Is just how it goes

[noble rampart]

sad

[silk ice]

Idk my fire seems to burn hotter when I throw money into it

Only cash though, coins don't seem to do much

[hollow thorn]

That means you're throwing the wrong money into it, you gotta use plastic Canadian money

[silk ice]

Seems like a lot of extra effort.

[hollow thorn]

lol

[silk ice]

Next you're going to tell me I'm not supposed to be using rolls of coins as paper weights that roll around and are a pain to use

[vast meadow]

That's what your good xbox controller is supposed to be for 🤦

[silk ice]

That implies I have a good controller. I just have a wii remote held together with painters tape

[vast meadow]

Call linus up I'm sure he'd be up to smell his

[silk ice]

If I had that kind of money I wouldn't have discord on a 900p monitor right now

I use all my money to fuel my fires I can't afford to waste it

[vast meadow]

Oh yeah

[silk ice]

I still find it hilarious that he can't find anyone to buy it and just assumed it would be easy to sell

[vast meadow]

Yeah

[silk ice]

I feel like if anyone would buy it, it would be dbrand but I'm guessing he already asked them

[vast meadow]

Lmao

[grizzled bloom]

What, Linus is having trouble selling his stupid solid gold xbox controller? But he's a celebrity, he shouldn't be having trouble even selling underwear! (which is one of the few things NOT on lttstore)

[vast meadow]

But he does sell underwear XD

[silk ice]

Considered linking it but wasn't sure if I should lol

[grizzled bloom]

Why not lol, outside links are allowed

[silk ice]

didn't think anyone wanted to see him model boxers lol

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe I was thinking about that fake merch episode with his face on the underwear

[silk ice]

https://www.lttstore.com/products/undies

That's what he actually sells he just doesn't go as far to put his face on underwear

[vast meadow]

Yep unfortunately his underwear has no face just normalish design

[lavish aspen]

h

[naive pendant]

https://www.newegg.com/bonfire-black-asus-tuf-gaming-a15-fa506iu-nb53/p/N82E16834235505?Item=N82E16834235505

is this gaming laptop good enough to play GTA V and Fortnite?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes but you can probably find a better deal, let me see what I can dig up real quick

[naive pendant]

Okay i need a gaming laptop around 800 no more like 900

[long basalt]

Why specifically a laptop?

[naive pendant]

I cant buy a pc

[long basalt]

[naive pendant]

my dad said no desktop only laptop

for some reason

[long basalt]

Then tell him you could get a better performing deal if it was a Deskotp

*Desktop

Counter his odd and dumb idea.

Because you are going to spend more on a worse product for a Laptop.

[split copper]

For some reason

[naive pendant]

Ok then find me a desktop that could play gta v and fortnite

[split copper]

Ask him why

[long basalt]

One doesn't find a desktop. You build it.

Because it's cheaper to build than to buy.

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/not-today-no-woman-not-now-gif-8270668

[silk ice]

Yea I mean like there are valid reasons for a laptop like if they intend for you to use it for school (like college and stuff)

lol yea honestly with gpus prebuilts kinda make more sense these days

[naive pendant]

I cant build a pc and i dont think anyone in my city such as pc experts know how to build a pc

[rigid hemlock]

laptop is portable, can bring to school, dont need peripherals or display or space for a desk

[split copper]

It's too bad they're almost always with terrible mobos/psus :(

Prebuilts

[long basalt]

You don't need someone in your city. Youtube exists, building a PC is so easy, a 10 year old could do it.

[naive pendant]

Oh

[silk ice]

I mean system integrators aren't bad but you do pay a bit of a premium

aren't always * bad

[naive pendant]

I cant spend 900-1k+ on a pc

[split copper]

Very often bad

[long basalt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cC7Wvf You have the rest of the budget for a GPU. GPU pricing is... wack right now, so... You gotta go Used.

[split copper]

You'll only ever get a board that's equivalent to the cheapest of consumer boards

Or lower

[silk ice]

When I mean system integrators I mean like Maingear, IbuyPower, and stuff that actually use off the shelf parts not OEM's like Dell and stuff

[split copper]

OEMs are SIs

[silk ice]

oh then whats the correct term for like maingear and stuff that use consumer parts?

[long basalt]

System Integrator...

Maniac is being a dumdum

[split copper]

Gaming pc specific companies you'll get more decent parts I agree :)

[long basalt]

OEMs are OEMs, SI's are SI's

[silk ice]

That was my understanding

[hollow thorn]

terminology gets confusing

[split copper]

I guess they don't integrate Intel or amd cpus with nvidia or amd GPUs

[hollow thorn]

Dell is a system integrator

[grizzled bloom]

Too many acronyms for the average Joe around here

[hollow thorn]

I mean, every time I see OEM I think PSU OEMs

[long basalt]

Also, can anyone find a major fault with that build (Other than the F CPU with a Lack of GPU, that's kinda on purpose)

[hollow thorn]

@long basalt b460 board wack for nearly price of b560 boards

[split copper]

Couldn't they include a 710?

[long basalt]

Those are like, 100 bucks nearly.

[hollow thorn]

and 3200c16 ram for b460 wack

[long basalt]

And he wants to play GTA:V

[hollow thorn]

CXm is a sucky psu, segotep time

[long basalt]

Oh right I forgot Intel does stupid dumdum stuff with RAM on low end boards.

[hollow thorn]

talking about this list btw

@long basalt Yes, that's why you go B560

[long basalt]

Uhhh... B560 boards are like 170

[hollow thorn]

no

[long basalt]

Yes.

[hollow thorn]

113$ for b560m/ac on wegg

lemme link it

[long basalt]

https://prnt.sc/11ew7pg

Those are the boards that have prices.

[hollow thorn]

pcpp is dumb

[long basalt]

Nou

[hollow thorn]

doesn't include wegg pricing for a lot of them for some reason

[long basalt]

That's Wegg's fault

[hollow thorn]

No, it's pcpp's fault for not having good crawlers

[long basalt]

OOS

[hollow thorn]

back order

[long basalt]

Backorder == OOS to PCPP

[hollow thorn]

when it's back order for 2 days tho

[split copper]

I wish back order was available for more things

[long basalt]

Also hold the phone. LIMIT TWENTY PER CUSTOMER?!?

[hollow thorn]

@long basalt it's dumb because Amazon can do things like "in stock in 3 months" and PCPP still says in stock

[long basalt]

Who TF is buying 20 motherboards?

[hollow thorn]

dunno

[long basalt]

It's probably a WEGG API Limitation

[hollow thorn]

I say it's pcpp crawler limitation

pretty sure wegg doesn't have an api

[split copper]

Linus tech tips

Buying 20 mobos :)

[long basalt]

Well, I can't ask because I got the on that server.

No, they ask "Hey, can we have 20 motherboards" and someone says "Yeah sure"

[naive pendant]

Can I get the HP Pavilion Gaming PC my friend has it?

[long basalt]

No? Those things are garbage.

And overpriced.

And probably have a PSU that is gonna blow up.

Also you didn't even say any specs related to said PC

[hollow thorn]

yea HP is bad about stuffing PSUs into prebuilts lol

[long basalt]

It could have a Pentium 4500G and a GT 710 in it and still be called a "Gaming PC"

[hollow thorn]

dell is better, not great, but no proprietary connectors at least

[long basalt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NjmqMv Fixed Build except GPU since GPU Pricing is straight up dumb even in the ultra-budget end. GT 1030's should NOT cost 130 USD.

Intel needs to stop doing stupid garbage with Memory on their low-end chipsets.

[split copper]

My grandma's HP still works fine lol

[long basalt]

Yeah, because the PSU probably isn't getting super stressed out.

[split copper]

Only about 4 years old so we'll see with time

[naive pendant]

Is that good or something?

[split copper]

My FSP psu died after about 5 years in my Lenovo

[naive pendant]

i just clicked on his link and that came up

[long basalt]

Yes. It's "Better than most Gaming Laptops, but it doesn't have a GPU yet because GPU Pricing is garbage"

[hollow thorn]

tbh

I'd go 10100 no-f

[split copper]

Yeah that's a decent list now

[long basalt]

Fair enough.

[split copper]

I often found that 10100 non f was cheaper than f sku from my looking at prices lol

It's silly

[naive pendant]

Few ppl in this server told me the Ryzen 4600h 3.0ghz gtx 1650 16gb ram could handle fivem at 60fps is that true?

[hollow thorn]

It's also just an iGPU if you can't grab a gpu

[long basalt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7MLJQD Here's a full build. It'll need a Dedicated GPU to do any major gaming, but It'd play at least Minecraft and Fortnite.

[hollow thorn]

Low settings, 1650 desktop will do

1650 laptop meh

[long basalt]

It's a 1650 Laptop, Probably can't handle Modded GTA:V

Hell, my Desktop 1070 still struggles at 1080p High

On NORMAL GTA:V

[naive pendant]

Ok Now im actually going to get a pc cuz a lot of ppl are saying laptop is not that good

[long basalt]

And, a Desktop is expandable. You could easily add more Storage, a better CPU, and a better GPU to the entire thing.

Laptops barely have any expansion

[tulip verge]

yeah i got a gaming laptop like 2 yrs ago and it's not too great

[long basalt]

And the Monitor on any of the budget gaming laptops are gonna get absolutely THRASHED by this Optix G242

[hollow thorn]

that's why I say low settings

anyways

[naive pendant]

theres a website selling a ryzen 7 3800X PC for 600$ is that good? or scam

[tulip verge]

its got a i5 and gtx 1050 but its alright

[long basalt]

Sounds like a scam.

[tulip verge]

just the cpu?

[naive pendant]

no

[long basalt]

A whole PC with a 3800X in it for 600 USD? That's a scam and a half.

[naive pendant]

just cpu fan and motherboard

[long basalt]

Oh, still not worth it compared to this whole build for almost 800 bucks

[tulip verge]

yeah thats most likely a scam

[split copper]

You can still do storage/ram upgrades and replacements on most laptops which gets you a little expansion, and if it has TB 3 or 4 maybe even an eGPU

[long basalt]

You'd need a GPU, RAM, PSU, Case, and peripherals.

[tulip verge]

i dunno if it matters but i might get a gigabyte 3060 just because my motherboard is gigabyte

[long basalt]

The PC Part Picker link I listed (The newest one) is an entire PC that you buy the parts and build it yourself.

[long basalt]

GPUs don't care what motherboard you stuff them in.

I have an Asus Nvidia GPU on an MSI AMD Motherboard.

[tulip verge]

yeah ik but i might get a gigabyte one just cuz by motherboard is gigabyte

[naive pendant]

https://www.newegg.com/skytech-chronos-mini/p/N82E16883289087?Description=gaming pc&cm_re=gaming_pc-_-83-289-087-_-Product

is that good?

[long basalt]

That's an older motherboard, It's not "bad" but... It needs some work for it to be "Good enough to play games"

[tulip verge]

its alright i guess but you could prob get better specs for cheaper

[split copper]

Do you want to match all your parts together? It's only an aesthetic thing

[long basalt]

Like, that piddly 8GB of 3000Mhz RAM needs an upgrade to 16GB of 3600Mhz

[naive pendant]

better specs for cheaper from where?

[long basalt]

🤦‍♂️

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7MLJQD

This

You buy the parts and build it yourself.

Oh, also do you have easy access to your router for Ethernet?

OH wait

NVM this board has Wi-Fi

[naive pendant]

Do i need to buy those exact parts?

[tulip verge]

prebuilts cost more usually

[hollow thorn]

Exact as in ask us before changing it

[long basalt]

I mean, it's a good list that has confirmed parts that will work together. You just click "Buy" and it will take you to where you buy the parts.

[hollow thorn]

@long basalt pretty sure the single buy button only buys from Amazon, just need to click on each button

[long basalt]

Yes.

[naive pendant]

I could buy this what about the graphics card

[long basalt]

Though a large majority of the parts on this list are on Amazon and are cheapest on Amazon.

Wait till pricing gets cheaper.

[tulip verge]

i check newegg, bestbuy, and nvidia everyday and the 3060 ti still is out of stock

[long basalt]

Or hope and pray you can get like, an RX 580 off Ebay for under 200 USD

[naive pendant]

i dont shop on ebay'

[long basalt]

Well, you should.

Ebay is a great place to shop

You can get some good deals.

I got my Oculus Quest for 280 USD off Ebay

[split copper]

^^

[long basalt]

And an iPod Mini 2nd Gen for like, 30 bucks

And my X52 HOTAS for 150

[tulip verge]

i usually go on newegg and microcenter

[hollow thorn]

R/hws

[split copper]

It's pretty easy to watch out for scams and bad deals

[long basalt]

If someone on Ebay is rated less than 80% Satisfaction, you just don't buy from them.

[naive pendant]

@long basalt abou the Motherboard and monitor cna i buy it from somehwere else?

[long basalt]

Newegg is the cheapest place to buy the motherboard from

Same for the Monitor with ABT

And Newegg is the only place with the board in stock.

[split copper]

Also if it's a highly rated seller, but they don't have any recent ratings and their account is from like 2003, that's a hijacked account

[long basalt]

And you are in the Newegg discord, so it doesn't make sense you would be opposed to buying from Newegg.

[split copper]

Avoid hijacked sellers

[tulip verge]

i went into bestbuy once and the motherboard im trying to get rn was like $100 overprice lol

i checked the specs and they were the same

funny story, i almost pulled off my friends cpu cooler once

[naive pendant]

Theres a pc on amazon and i feel like there is something wrong with it

it just does not look right

[tulip verge]

show it to us we'll see if theres sum wrong

[naive pendant]

i cant send the link

cuz it will warn me

[tulip verge]

wdym?

ss it and send it to me i guess

or send it to one of the other guys

[grizzled bloom]

You're high enough level for links now

[naive pendant]

Okay

https://www.amazon.com/Periphio-Gaming-Computer-Overclocked-Graphics/dp/B08127W426/ref=sr_1_19?dchild=1&keywords=Gaming+PC&qid=1618450923&sr=8-19

there

[tulip verge]

i think thats a smaller and older motherboard but idk

[grizzled bloom]

DDR3, old CPU

Lemme check which because it doesn't say

[naive pendant]

Yeah

kk

[grizzled bloom]

Probably an i5 2400

[naive pendant]

ye it is

[tulip verge]

to be honest idk why your looking at prebuilts

[naive pendant]

I dont even know

[grizzled bloom]

Because GPUs are in short supply

[tulip verge]

ah makes sense nvm

[naive pendant]

one of my friend has a GT 1030 and runs fortnite very good

he said 120fps max

i think its an i5

3470

[grizzled bloom]

On lower settings probably, but that's more of a CPU title than GPU

[tulip verge]

im pretty sure gt is really old

idk im not too much of a "pc veteran"

i only got into it like 5 months ago lol

[grizzled bloom]

1030 isn't exactly ancient but it was a low end card when it was new

This is my favorite part of that scammy PC listing lol, a potato could get these numbers

[tulip verge]

dude my 2015 xbox one gets 74 fps on fn

[grizzled bloom]

I also love how they're calling League of Legends one of "today's hottest games" but it's from 2007

[tulip verge]

its still decently popular somehow

i never got why it was so fun to some people

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah still popular but hardly relevant

[tulip verge]

oh the gt 1030 came out like 4 years ago btw

[naive pendant]

oh

74fps on fortnite?

i play 30fps on my switch

thats why im looking for a pc

i been playing switch for like 3 years now no fun

[tulip verge]

yeah ive been recommending pc stuff to my switch friend too

[naive pendant]

Know what ima stop looking for pc online

Ima go to some tech stores and buy a pc from there

[tulip verge]

i would go to like best buy or a micro center if theres one near u

[naive pendant]

ye ima go bestbuy

[grizzled bloom]

And the switch is using higher graphics settings than that PC

[tulip verge]

lmfao

micro center is good i've heard but the closest one to me in cali is in LA

[naive pendant]

https://www.amazon.com/Gaming-Desktop-Computer-3-10GHz-Windows/dp/B07YQCQBJK/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ZF0E956KBNF7KF9E0PGE

nice pc

could upgrade the gpu tho

[split copper]

Microcenter isn't a good option for a lot of people because of location

[tulip verge]

exactly

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah I don't feel like driving overnight to LA (since by the time morning hits traffic is INSANE)

[naive pendant]

LMAO that pc sucks

[split copper]

I don't want to drive all the way to LA for some dinky computer parts xd

[tulip verge]

yeah and when you get there all the gpus are out of stock

[grizzled bloom]

That might not be a horrible deal if it's like $250 for the whole PC lol

[naive pendant]

its 500

[grizzled bloom]

Nopenopenopo

[tulip verge]

yeah if you wanna play like mc the minimal is like an $100 pc im pretty sure

[split copper]

Buy a cheap cheap Optiplex and put a gpu in there or something

[grizzled bloom]

I can play minecraft on my laptop with a Radeon HD 4250, that thing's ancient

[split copper]

What cpu?

[tulip verge]

yeah my grandpa has a windows 7 with really old parts and it plays mc

[grizzled bloom]

I don't even remember lol, I do remember I needed to upgrade from single to dual core though

This was it https://gadgetaz.com/Laptop/Compaq_Presario_CQ62-228DX--2337

[tulip verge]

rn i have a gtx 1050 with a i6 and i get like 300 - 400 fps in minecraft

[willow minnow]

I’m looking for help with an upcoming build but I still need a couple of parts and I am still trying to figure out what would be the best for my pc and also thinking about looks as well

I have a Ryzen 9 5950x and a ASRock > B550 Phantom Gaming-ITX/ax mobo and an Enermax aquafusion AIO but I don't really know the brand that well and haven't heard much about it so I just assume it isn't that good but I want to use what I have but if this aio isnt a good one then i'm going to sell it and get a different one but I'm going for looks too

[grizzled bloom]

Aquafusion is ok for a cheap 240 AIO, not the best but not the worst

[tulip verge]

yeah i just did a quick google search of "Enermax aquafusion AIO" and i saw 3 youtube videos saying "WORTH YOUR MONEY?!"

[grizzled bloom]

Don't expect to overclock that 5950X on ANY 240mm AIO though, it gets really hot

[willow minnow]

Fr?

Thats what ive heard but I dont know about bios or overclocking lol

[grizzled bloom]

Then you're fine, at normal stock behavior a 240 can keep up

[tulip verge]

overclocking is like working out

you push yourself further to get stronger but you can hurt yourself

except its just pushing your pc to its limits so you get better results from it

but it can screw it up

[willow minnow]

Oh ok cool but I am in need of Ram,Storage,PowerSupply,GPU,Case

[tulip verge]

how much ram u lookin for?

[willow minnow]

Idk

[grizzled bloom]

It's really hard to actually screw something up though, the only way is to push the voltage above safe levels

[tulip verge]

i would go for 16gb

[willow minnow]

I'm lost lowkey lol I would love it if we could hop in vc rq

[tulip verge]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164224 here some ram stuff

[willow minnow]

Fal'Cie can we hop in the vc rq?

[tulip verge]

maybe dont buy white though because that costs more lol

[willow minnow]

Ok

I was going for a black and blue or blackk and what ever RGB

[grizzled bloom]

I don't do voice on this server, sorry. Seen too many, "incidents". I don't even go into the special people channel voice chat.

[willow minnow]

Its cool bro it just it easier for me you know but hb our own call?

Or Bainis

[tulip verge]

i dont like calling people either sorry

[willow minnow]

Bruh😔

[tulip verge]

but im guessing 850w is too much for a 3060 ti and an amd ryzen 5 5600x with 16 - 32 gb of ram

[grizzled bloom]

You wouldn't be able to hear me anyway over the construction noise outside

[willow minnow]

Dang man its all good bro and Its a Ryzen 9 5950x @tulip verge

[grizzled bloom]

850 is still overkill, even when overclocked a little bit with PBO the 5950X doesn't use much more than 200W under max load.

[tulip verge]

yeah

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe if you had a 3090 with that processor, but as it is you don't need more than a good 650.

[tulip verge]

yeah i figured i only needed a 650

[willow minnow]

Ok I was thinking about the RTX 3060-RTX 3080 but 2x fans

[tulip verge]

i would say 3070 or 3060 ti if you could get your hands on either one

[willow minnow]

I mean I've been seeing them on offer up

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, with the GPU you pretty much just need to get what you can get right now. It will be difficult unless you're willing to spend over $1500 on a 3060.

[tulip verge]

yeah because rn im not getting my gpu most likely till december

[willow minnow]

I mean the stuff in store I would just walk out with and the GPU I could possably buy or walk off with that too lol

But I seen a 3060 in offer up in person meet up for 750

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on the store, a lot aren't stocking GPUs on the shelves, but if you have a microcenter nearby that would be your absolute best bet.

[grizzled bloom]

Even that is too high

[willow minnow]

I only have a best buy where I live that is the only big somputer store lol

[grizzled bloom]

That's above the msrp for the 3070

[willow minnow]

Dang but I seen that the gpus have gb so I seen one with 8gb does that matter?

[grizzled bloom]

With Best Buy you might get lucky and someone returned a GPU so they have one, but they're selling mostly online.

VRAM doesn't matter that much unless you're playing in high resolutions. 4 GB is plenty for 1080p. 6 GB is enough for 4k.

[willow minnow]

Ok but I know offer up for sure has a gpu and I know what to get but the in store stuff like ram storage and case and powersupply

[tulip verge]

there should be plenty of psus at best buy

[grizzled bloom]

Alright, I'll throw some parts in a list for you

[willow minnow]

I lookeds online and they didnt have any in stock but get a 6+ Gb gpu

[strong mica]

Question on ram for intel 10900k do I want to get 3600 or 3200 and how important is latency?

[willow minnow]

BIG

The higher the better and the lower the slower

[grizzled bloom]

3200 is the sweet spot on Intel 10 series for price/performance, latency is much more important than speed after that

[willow minnow]

So the bigger the number gets the faster things load for you

Oh shot i didnt see him say latency lol

[tulip verge]

with the case its really just look up (or check) the length of your parts and pick a case that you think looks good and can fit the parts

[willow minnow]

Yeah I have a atx/ax mobo and its small

like the box is 6-8 inch lol

[tulip verge]

yeah just look up micro atx cases or sum

[grizzled bloom]

It's an ITX though, smaller than mATX

[tulip verge]

oh

[willow minnow]

yeah I was thinking about a NXZT H510

[grizzled bloom]

NO

Worst possible case

[tulip verge]

oh god why do so many people buy nxzt cases

[willow minnow]

I know it has terriable airflow lol

[grizzled bloom]

It literally has glass in front of the intake fans blocking them from intaking air

[willow minnow]

thats the ELITE

and it looks dope af but the airflow is jacked lol

[grizzled bloom]

Still, solid plastic panel, glass, it's all the same when it chokes one of the hottest CPUs you can buy until it melts

[tulip verge]

yeah this is the case im wanting but im sure it has flaws

yeah one of the fans is right in front of glass

[grizzled bloom]

What do you think of this case? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mwbkcf/phanteks-enthoo-evolv-tg-silver-atx-mini-tower-case-ph-es314etg_gs

[willow minnow]

Yeah its dope

[tulip verge]

to be very honest it looks like a iphone case but it still looks good

[willow minnow]

fr lol

[grizzled bloom]

You're not wrong about that lol

[willow minnow]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811112593?item=N82E16811112593&source=googleshopping&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-mobile&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-mobile-_-pla-_-cases+(computer+cases+-+atx+form)-_-N82E16811112593&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_eGC_Ov77wIVrB-tBh0T9gqOEAQYAiABEgKDbPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

What ab that?

[grizzled bloom]

Always a good option for micro/mini builds

[tulip verge]

lmao this is one of the reviews

[willow minnow]

lmao

[simple mulch]

anybody seen 5900x yet'

[tulip verge]

2021 is gonna have a historic event called the great GPU depression

[grizzled bloom]

What do you mean? I've seen them online and in person. They look like all the other Ryzen processors.

[simple mulch]

I mean like on stock

[tulip verge]

its out of stock

[grizzled bloom]

Out of stock as of this moment, possibly more at Best Buy tomorrow morning

[tulip verge]

at my best buy there were like 5 ryzen 7's but like 17 i7's lol

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah Intel's been having no problems keeping things in stock lol

[split copper]

Amazing

[grizzled bloom]

And I had to upgrade the RAM to 6GB and the processor to a dual core lol

[split copper]

Probably performs better than my E-450 machine

Do you know what the cpu was called?

[grizzled bloom]

The dual core or the original one?

[split copper]

Both ig lol

[grizzled bloom]

Original was V120

Sempron series lol

[willow minnow]

I have a Ryzen 9 5950x

Also I am thinking about getting the case I had showed you guys

[simple mulch]

should i just buy 5800x or wait for 5900x

[split copper]

Yoo Sempron

[tulip verge]

5800x is out of stock too

[simple mulch]

nah

[grizzled bloom]

Well, do you need the extra cores?

[split copper]

I have an old Sempron computer

[simple mulch]

608 rn in newgg cad

[grizzled bloom]

8C/16T is more than enough for most people

[split copper]

Desktop

[tulip verge]

oh i just checked lol

[grizzled bloom]

2010 throwback day!

[simple mulch]

nvm it went up now

its 646 now

[tulip verge]

oh nice

[split copper]

Lol I think my Sempron is early 00s

[grizzled bloom]

I upgraded to the Turion II P560

[split copper]

Oo

[strong mica]

Anyone know how easy getting rgb to just be white is? Looking at corsair vengeance rgb ram want to have lights but not rambows.

[grizzled bloom]

Super easy to adjust to white solid

[tulip verge]

you do it in icue im pretty sure and its easy

[grizzled bloom]

What's not so easy is getting all the whites to be the exact same shade

[grizzled bloom]

Looks right to me lol

My phone gets a higher passmark score

[split copper]

Xd

[grizzled bloom]

And yet minecraft still runs on it

[willow minnow]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811112593?item=N82E16811112593&source=googleshopping&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-mobile&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-mobile-_-pla-_-cases+(computer+cases+-+atx+form)-_-N82E16811112593&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_eGC_Ov77wIVrB-tBh0T9gqOEAQYAiABEgKDbPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds#

[willow minnow]

Is that worth ?

[strong mica]

Idk what cpu but used to have an old gateway when I was younger and did pay attention to computers

[grizzled bloom]

O11D mini need a SFF PSU, which are super expensive and often out of stock

[willow minnow]

Yeah but I only need a 750w

[tulip verge]

really?

[grizzled bloom]

Right, and the cheapest 750W SFF PSU in stock right now is $250

I'd go for one of these personally
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/crqBD3/phanteks-eclipse-p300a-mesh-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300atg_bk01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bCYQzy/corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011200-ww

Plus the one I have ;)
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y6Crxr/fractal-design-meshify-c-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-bko-tg

[tulip verge]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Liquid-Cooling/iCUE-ELITE-CAPELLIX-WHITE-Liquid-CPU-Cooler/p/CW-9060051-WW idk if this is a good cooler or if it would be overkill

ima corsair fanboy if you couldnt tell lol

[willow minnow]

lmao I could lol

[grizzled bloom]

On a 5950X? Nothing is overkill

[willow minnow]

I had someone tell me that it didnt produce a lot of heat like c'mon lol

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen these processors pull almost 300W

[willow minnow]

I like it but I need a 2 fanned CPU cooler

[tulip verge]

it has a 240mm version

[grizzled bloom]

Check out the EK-AIO, Lian-Li Galahad, and liquid freezer II

[willow minnow]

Ok I was talking to someone that lives where I do and they make builds as well and he sent me this list

-Ryzen 9 5950x
-mini Itx board
-Corsair rgb vengeance ram
-1tb nvme m.2
-asus rig strix 240 aio
-any 30 series card
-750 w psu

[tulip verge]

i think 750w would be overkill

[grizzled bloom]

Did they say WHY an ITX board? They're smaller, have less features, and are more expensive

[willow minnow]

Because I already have one

[grizzled bloom]

Fair, I've got a list for you too once we pick a case

[willow minnow]

Ok I like the LIAN LI O11D MINI-X Black SPCC

[tulip verge]

i would get it if u like it and everything fits

[grizzled bloom]

Are you willing to spend a lot more money on the power supply? Because that needs a small form factor PSU

[tulip verge]

thats really all you gotta think abt when buying a case

[willow minnow]

It fits everything and I'm willing to spend maybe 150 on a case if its an elite

[tulip verge]

yeah i would buy it then

[shy swallow]

I want to get an AMD 5800X on an ASUS mobo and 4x16GB DDR4 @ 3200

[tulip verge]

dang 4x16gb

thats a whole lotta ram

[shy swallow]

Indeed, I have an old system and I need the new one to last

[tulip verge]

yeah i dont think you need 64gb of ram though

more like 32 really

[shy swallow]

I built my current rig, and it is running gen 1 intel i3, and only had 1GB ram 13 years ago

Now it has 4GB

Oooooh

[grizzled bloom]

Here's my list for you, changes are easy to make if you don't like anything
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fTMcLP

[tulip verge]

yeah 64 gb will last you prob another 13 years

but with that much ram you might as well get a powerful gpu

and cpu

[grizzled bloom]

No point getting that much RAM when DDR5 is coming out literally later this year or early next year

[shy swallow]

Is DDR5 supposed to use DDR4 dimm slots?

[grizzled bloom]

No

New slots, new everything

[shy swallow]

Then it will be fine

Unless PCIe gen5 is out by summer

My rig might die with this old 650w power supply

[grizzled bloom]

Most devices barely use the bandwidth in PCIe 3.0, SSDs are the rare and unnecessary exception

[shy swallow]

And over time, it will change.

Better M.2 upgrades. More WiFi 6+ peripherals, VR, 7.1 sound, using as a media server, future gaming upgrades.

The better the foundation, the better the build upon it

[grizzled bloom]

All of that can be done now though... I've even seen 11 channel surround

[shy swallow]

I’m partially deaf, so it just the headphones for me. I don’t know what I’ll be using it for later, though.

Though, as I think about it. If I foster/adopt kids, the state gives them lots of money. So I don’t need to think about hand-me-downs. They can always get stuff easier.

Like, 5 foster kids would all have their own Switch and games. It’s kinda crazy.

[grizzled bloom]

The foster system doesn't give that much money tbh compared to how much kids actually cost

[tulip verge]

uh

[shy swallow]

They have monthly, required, clothing budgets. $1K for housing/food, and an allowance

More if they have disabilities

[tulip verge]

why are we now talking about kids?

[shy swallow]

Because kids have the tech if they want it.

I will probably get their hand me downs in 5-10 years

[tulip verge]

i still don't get what you mean

[shy swallow]

But for now, I’m eyeing Ryzen 5800X with an eventual ASUS GPU and MOBO

[tulip verge]

alright then

[shy swallow]

But nobody has 5000 series CPUs still

[willow minnow]

I do lol

@shy swallow

[shy swallow]

The fist, it shaketh

[willow minnow]

it shaketh

[naive pendant]

best white cheap(er) b550 board?

[grizzled bloom]

This one's mostly white at least https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y96qqs/asus-rog-strix-b550-a-gaming-atx-am4-motherboard-rog-strix-b550-a-gaming

[naive pendant]

;-;

christ on a stick

well i guess im going black

[grizzled bloom]

And that's one of the cheapest ones with white too lol

All white builds are expensive and for no good reason

[naive pendant]

ughhhhh

hm

does the b550 hdv come with the bios preinstalled

or do i have to do it by myself

[grizzled bloom]

Everything should have BIOS, do you mean updated for 5000 series?

[naive pendant]

yea

[grizzled bloom]

There's no definite answer for that, sometimes you get a board with an old version, but lately more boards have been shipping with compatible BIOS

[naive pendant]

is there a percentage of boards or like

[tulip verge]

ikr

they look dope but are wayy to much for no reason

[naive pendant]

also yikes if i want white and go cheaper i need to grab a pro4

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah I'm not about to recommend Asrock for anything

[devout moth]

shober client#5555 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[naive pendant]

oh yea right not in newegg

anyways b560 pro4s arent half bad

[grizzled bloom]

Yup PG13

Asrock BIOS is garbage across the line though

Except the high end stuff sometimes

[naive pendant]

at least they're cheap

they're not horrible

but like eh

[grizzled bloom]

Try saying that when your first M.2 slot is disabled automatically whenever you load XMP

[naive pendant]

wait what

[grizzled bloom]

That's an actual problem I've seen before and I just had to chalk it up to BIOS being stupid

[naive pendant]

[grizzled bloom]

That was also the last time I ordered an Asrock board for a customer

[naive pendant]

when?

[grizzled bloom]

2 years or so past

It was a B450

[naive pendant]

oh

i mean things might have changed?

i havent worked with asrock much

[grizzled bloom]

I'm sure it was just a problem unique to that specific board, but every asrock board I've worked with has had some sort of hiccup like that. It's different every time.

[naive pendant]

oof i looked at more white parts sff white pcs are a mess

[grizzled bloom]

SFF in general is a mess, especially if you want a 750W+ PSU, they're all $250+

[hidden rampart]

First m.2 will be automatically disabled on the b560 pro4 if he's using a comet lake chip anyways

[grizzled bloom]

This was a B450 I was talking about though

[naive pendant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZPDkcf/asrock-b550-pg-velocita-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-pg-velocita cant wait till this is $130 again

[grizzled bloom]

Doesn't have flashback, be careful using a 5000 series processor on that. Best to have an older chip to update BIOS with.

[naive pendant]

frrrrrrrriiiicccccc

hmm

what about the pro p

[grizzled bloom]

This is the simplest, smallest rear panel I've seen in a LONG time

[naive pendant]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

wait hold on

best under $150 b550 then?

[grizzled bloom]

ATX or mATX? Does it matter?

[naive pendant]

doesnt matter

[grizzled bloom]

Cheap micro https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mJQfrH/msi-mag-b550m-bazooka-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-mag-b550m-bazooka
Cheap full size https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7gxbt6/msi-b550-a-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-a-pro

Both have flashback

MSI bios > Asrock bios

[naive pendant]

cool cool

[naive pendant]

so does this work? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2tRkrr

wanted a clean black look

vetroo has rgb but i can turn it off :/

[grizzled bloom]

Looks good to me, maybe go for this cooler though so you don't have to worry about the RGB
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mnzFf7/id-cooling-se-224-xt-7616-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xt-black

[tulip verge]

yeah at first i was gonna get a asrock motherboard but then i heard from about 147,135 different people that asrock is bad

so i went with a different one

[hidden rampart]

which board

[grizzled bloom]

B550 Pro4

[split copper]

Wow that is simple

Covers all the necessities still

[vast meadow]

To my knowledge only asrock intel mobos are 💩 and the amd ones are fine

[long basalt]

Might as well just get a Hyper 212 Black Edition.

[vast meadow]

Hyper 212 is like 50$ and isn't as good as the se 224

[long basalt]

Gonna have to be a little skeptical, and it isn't 50 dollars.

[vast meadow]

Okay it's 40, the rgb one is like 50 but still not as good

[long basalt]

The H212 Black Edition is 40. And is a perfectly good cooler. And only god knows what the Warranty on the SE 224 is.

[vast meadow]

The h212 isn't as good you can ask most people in this server

[long basalt]

I mean, I've never even seen reviews of that SE 224. So... I'm gonna be skeptical until a reputable reviewer gets their hands on it (E.x Gamer's Nexus)

[vast meadow]

The h212 is just outdated tho, you realise gamers nexus reviewed the h212 in 2012

[long basalt]

Not the Black Edition, It's had updates and changes to the design.

Both the RGB and Black Editions are different coolers to the original.

[vast meadow]

Ik but gamers nexus hasn't reviewed them either soooo

[long basalt]

I can at least know that since it's a coolermaster Air cooling product, it at least won't make your PC burst into flames.

Their Liquid Coolers are a bit iffy though.

[vast meadow]

[long basalt]

sigh

People keep saying that, it isn't always fully true.

[vast meadow]

It is though

[split copper]

Some psu brands make psus that are all trash

[vast meadow]

Gigabyte cough cough

[split copper]

Xd

Looks like there's some good gigabyte psus according to tier list

I'm talking about the all units ones

[vast meadow]

Lol

[hidden rampart]

na gigabyte has one good unit

[vast meadow]

Okay okay but most of them go 🔥

[naive pendant]

Intel i7 10700 Comet Lake 2.9GHz 8 core on sale for 249.99 is that good?

[long basalt]

It's ok at best. A 10400F would be cheaper and give you 90% of the gaming performance.

Unless you plan on Streaming or doing a lot of Video Editing, 8 Cores and 16 threads won't really benefit you in Gaming.

[vast meadow]

Its okay, but if you're just gaming get an i5 11400 for 180ish

[long basalt]

Or that. Though, if you can find a 10400F for less than that, take it because the 11th gen is a miniscule upgrade over 10th gen.

[vast meadow]

Not for the i5

11400 better than 5600x

In most cases

[marble knot]

is 150 for 16gb corsair ven rgb pro cheap?

[long basalt]

No

[marble knot]

oh

[vast meadow]

Ew no, get ballistix instead

I'll grab you a link

[long basalt]

150 for 16GB of RGB RAM is overpriced.

[marble knot]

used ram

[long basalt]

Used it's HELLA overpriced

[vast meadow]

That's even worse

[marble knot]

75 for 16gb of 2133?

thats bad

[long basalt]

You can get a new 16GB kit of Crucial Ballistix RGB for like 100 bucks

[marble knot]

wow

[long basalt]

At 3200mhz

[naive pendant]

So I should go for the I5 11400

[long basalt]

I guess?

[vast meadow]

@marble knot https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4JBhP6/crucial-ballistix-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4bl or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WPvqqs/crucial-ballistix-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4wl or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bdMTwP/crucial-ballistix-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4rl

[vast meadow]

At 3600 for 110

[marble knot]

thats us tho

[long basalt]

And?

🤦‍♂️

[vast meadow]

What's your use case

Didn't say that

[long basalt]

You literally didn't say anything about nationality.

[marble knot]

@vast meadow wdym?

why not

[vast meadow]

Do you really want rgb

You didn't let us know it was cad not usd

[marble knot]

nooooooo but itd be nice

[long basalt]

Why would it be nice?

[marble knot]

its rgb man

[long basalt]

Do you have a bunch of RGB already?

[vast meadow]

What cpu do you have/getting

[long basalt]

If Yes, RGB RAM is pointless

[marble knot]

uhhhh

[long basalt]

If no, it's still pointless

[marble knot]

i have r5 3600

[long basalt]

RGB is pointless

[vast meadow]

If they want to pay extra for rgb ram let them i guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vast meadow]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/bdMTwP/crucial-ballistix-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4rl if you want rgb

[marble knot]

red?

[vast meadow]

Black is 168

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/2TFKHx/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4b no rgb

[marble knot]

WHAT WHY THF WOULD THEY DO THAT????!!!1

[vast meadow]

Because economics

Black clearly more popular

[marble knot]

oh tru

damn it'

[vast meadow]

Black non rgb best bet or red with rgb

[marble knot]

ill go non rgb den

[vast meadow]

Or red no rgb same price as black no rgb

[naive pendant]

Intel Core i5-10600K Comet Lake 4.1GHz Six-Core for 199.99 what about this one

[vast meadow]

No

Get 11400

Get an i5 11400 an b560 motherboard

For budget

Gaming

[naive pendant]

I think I already have the motherboard in my cart somewhere

Yeah I have a b460m

In my Newegg cart

[vast meadow]

Grt b560 motherboard instead

Ram is locked on b460 motherboards

[naive pendant]

Oh ok

[vast meadow]

Also you'd have to do a bios update to get 11th gen working on b460

[naive pendant]

When that time comes I can ask for help

[vast meadow]

It's not worth getting b460

Just get a b560

Better in every way

[naive pendant]

Any specifics like straight up b560 or can it be b560m

Asrock or gigabyte

[vast meadow]

Any b560 variant pretty much

B560m is fine too, that just means its micro atx apposed to atx

[naive pendant]

Alright

Thanks

[noble rampart]

so if you don't want to upgrade much in the future for a cpu (because then you have to get a new mobo and ram...) what is the best option around 300, or would it be better to get a cheaper cpu and better mobo?

[vast meadow]

What cpu and mobo do you have atm?

[noble rampart]

none

[vast meadow]

?

Mobo is just a feature list really

[noble rampart]

I have a laptop with a 2 core i7

[vast meadow]

Cpu and mobo for 300? I5 11400 and b560 hdv

[naive pendant]

The mobo I found is like 124

[noble rampart]

no, cpu for 300 (not including mobo)

[vast meadow]

Mobo you mean?

[naive pendant]

Yeh

[noble rampart]

maybe like 520ish for both

[vast meadow]

Still 11400 and b560

[noble rampart]

rly?

[vast meadow]

Unless it was a bit more because 11400 better than 5600x

[naive pendant]

Yeh

[noble rampart]

the r5 5600x is in stock at newegg

for msrp

[naive pendant]

It’s only around 304 with my stuff together

[vast meadow]

11400 better and cheaper

[vast meadow]

Cool

[naive pendant]

180 bucks for the 11400

[noble rampart]

really

ok

[vast meadow]

Yeah

[noble rampart]

then what motherboard?

[vast meadow]

B560

Are you in the us?

If you're just gaming 11400

If you need the extra cores you're gonna need to go 10700 for around 250

[noble rampart]

ye

[noble rampart]

no

[vast meadow]

Because the 5800x is 450 and cheapest b550 is like 100 to 120 i think

[vast meadow]

What will you be doing? Cad?

[noble rampart]

yes and coding and some more cpu intensive games (ksp)

[vast meadow]

Cpu intensive games will do better on 11400(what's ksp)

[vast meadow]

Codings very light

[noble rampart]

kerbal space program

and cad

ksp has alot of different parts and uses a pretty realistic physics engine

[vast meadow]

Cad uses single core(like gaming) according to Google

[vast meadow]

Then you'll be better off with the 11400

[noble rampart]

I just want to make sure it will be good enough to last for a few years

[vast meadow]

It will

It's better than the 5600x

What feature set do you want on your motherboard btw?

Since you have budget to spend like do you want integrated io? Wifi?

[hollow thorn]

11400? Stock it's worse than 5600x

[vast meadow]

Ohh i was told not?

[hollow thorn]

But gets close with boosting/pl off

[vast meadow]

Ohh yeah

Stupid intel restrictions

Very few mobos have on by default iirc

[noble rampart]

wifi, and 4 dimm slots

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/d8KKHx/asus-tuf-gaming-b560m-plus-wifi-micro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b560m-plus-wifi

[noble rampart]

ok

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KdK3Gq

[vast meadow]

Get the 11400, they're the same price atm and it's no harm having an igpu for troubleshooting

[noble rampart]

ok

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pVJfZZ

[vast meadow]

If you can afford I'd recommend getting a gammaxx 400 cooler

[noble rampart]

maybe

[vast meadow]

Hold on not on pcpp for some reason

[noble rampart]

wat?

[vast meadow]

It's not on pc part picker

https://www.amazon.com/Vetroo-Cooler-Processor-Universal-Addressable/dp/B08F21X2VP/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=vetroo+v5&qid=1618501173&sr=8-1

Get that if you can afford

Or id cooling se 224xt

[noble rampart]

wab coolermaster?

[vast meadow]

Gammaxx 400 stock whack atm

The gammaxx 400 is coolermaster but supply is iffy atm

Nvm

That's deep cool

The best 3 options for an i5 that's not overkill is id cooling se 224xt, gammaxx 400 or vetroo v5

[noble rampart]

thats not on pc part picker either

[noble rampart]

none of those are on pcpartpicker

[vast meadow]

Id cooling should be

Vetroo v5 isnt on pc part picker

But you can add custom parts on pcpp if you have an account

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VTqBD3/id-cooling-se-224-xt-basic-7616-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xt-basic or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mnzFf7/id-cooling-se-224-xt-7616-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xt-black or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8LGnTW/id-cooling-se-224-xt-7616-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xt-white

Same cooler just diff colours

[noble rampart]

k

ID-COOLING SE-914-XT Basic?

[south rapids]

d

is the intel core i5 11400F a good cpu?

on paper it seems pretty good

[vast meadow]

Idk how good it is but it's not in stock anywhere i can see anyway just get the 224 xt

[noble rampart]

I am using it as a placeholder cause the 224xt isn't on pcpartpicker

[vast meadow]

Yup just make sure it has a b560 board and 3200mhzcl16 ram min, 3600cl16 if possible in budget

[noble rampart]

3200mhz

[vast meadow]

It is i just sent you 3 of the links

[noble rampart]

IK

[vast meadow]

Wasn't talking to you

[noble rampart]

mmm k, my bad

[noble rampart]

they don't work

with the compatibility filter

[vast meadow]

Take it off then

Or add it in manually under custom part

[noble rampart]

ok

[south rapids]

ok thx

[vast meadow]

Np

[noble rampart]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CbsXz7

[vast meadow]

👌

[noble rampart]

cool

[grizzled bloom]

@long basalt I can confirm that SE 224 is one of the best coolers in its price point, better than the 212 and cheaper. When techpowerup did their review it kept a 8700k overclocked to 4.8 GHz at 80C in prime95.

[zealous storm]

Whats the difference between the b550 tuf gaming plus and the prime b550 plus

both from asus

[ionic hamlet]

This is the motherboard I'm just about decided on:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2f4BD3/msi-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi
There's no known major red flags with it is there?

[long basalt]

Overpriced as hell

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi Significantly cheaper, has like 90% the features.

[vast meadow]

Get this if you're okay with atx and don't want integrated io shield

[storm mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/589689072692494356/832299439296741466/Screen_Shot_2021-04-15_at_10.00.42_AM.png what does this mean

[grizzled bloom]

Needs an 11 series processor for that slot

[long basalt]

Looks like you need a Rocket Lake CPU to use both M.2 Slots on that motherboard (I think that M.2 Slot 0 is the first slot, but... I could be wrong)

[storm mantle]

ohh

[ionic hamlet]

I know the mobo I want is a bit more expensive... but I want the integrated I/O shield to save hassle.

[long basalt]

What hassle? You just... put the I/O shield in...

[grizzled bloom]

I kinda is a hassle though, the case doesn't always line up right

[long basalt]

You save a wholeass 70 dollars by not buying that B550 Gaming Edge

[grizzled bloom]

So it's not worth it to you, but it might be for someone else

[long basalt]

70 dollars saved by not being lazy and just installing an I/O shield yourself.

That's like, another HDD worth of money

It takes like, 3 seconds to install an I/O shield, and maybe like, a minute to get it to line up right.

[grizzled bloom]

It's not like that's the only feature that $70 gets you anyway

[vast meadow]

Did you take the 11400 off your list?

[long basalt]

You get... likely a slightly better VRM, and... maybe some RGB related features.

Both boards have USB-C Front Panel connectors.

And both boards have Wi-Fi also.

[storm mantle]

nah i was messing with some parts

[long basalt]

So... you aren't really giving up a whole lot by saving 70 bucks.

[vast meadow]

Just leave it the way it is 😢

[storm mantle]

ok

[long basalt]

That's enough for... Another HDD, More RAM, Another SSD, a nicer case... Must I go on?

[grizzled bloom]

Ok but that still doesn't mean that it's not worth it to someone

I know I'd pay more just for the better VRM

[long basalt]

It's worth it to literally any human being with a brain to save the 70 bucks.

The VRM likely isn't even significantly different.

[grizzled bloom]

When you're pushing the CPU to its limit better VRM can get you higher frequencies without overheating

[elfin warren]

[long basalt]

B550 Pro-VDH WiFi will max out a 5900X at 1.2V Ambient Air in Prime95

I think it's good enough for 90% of people.

[grizzled bloom]

Yes but my point is that there are people that would benefit

[long basalt]

Sure the B550 Edge ATX can run a 250A draw, but you only reach that when LN2 OC'ing

[grizzled bloom]

And if that face is directed at me Vintage I know what I said, I'm mostly comparing crappy hot VRM to decent ones

[long basalt]

It's an unreasonable use case. less than 1% of people will even use LN2.

There's just no reason for anyone to buy the B550 Edge when the B550 Pro-VDH WiFi exists.

It's significantly cheaper to buy the Pro-VDH WiFi, and you lose effectively no features.

[grizzled bloom]

And yet my point stands, I'm only saying someone will see the benefits

[elfin warren]

Its not

[long basalt]

Less than 1% of people will benefit from the B550 Edge

[midnight pollen]

[long basalt]

Time to do some benchmarking to test how much of a benefit my RAM upgrade will have.