I don't think chipset matters for it
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
hollow thorn
It doesn't have specific chipset drivers, just whatever drivers for the laptop/NUC
atomic fiber
so win 10 update is okay for this
atomic fiber
It doesn't have specific chipset drivers, just whatever drivers for the laptop/N...
thanks what security app do you use? windows defender
atomic fiber
Malwarebytes good nuff
i dont know where to ask this so i ask it here: what budget gaming chair do you recommend for 184 cm
hollow thorn
none
anything but a gaming chair
go sit in some office chairs and choose which one feels the most comfy
Gaming chairs are just completely yikes
hollow thorn
Best thing to do is go to like your local best buy and try them yourself, iirc the ergochair 2 should be good, but expensive tho
@atomic fiber here's a decent one as 'tested' by GN
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CC1DZYF
and it's not 400$ like the ergochair
atomic fiber
thank you so much
atomic fiber
<@!473903041419149312> here's a decent one as 'tested' by GN
https://www.amazon....
you are the best how you doing
hollow thorn
good, you?
hollow thorn
Haven't seen too much on the 670p
last lynx
Quick question, can you put a ryzen 7 5800x in an Asus ROG B550-F motherboard?
hollow thorn
Yes, might need to bios flashback tho
last lynx
Just checked, it does have a bios flash button, thx dude.
hollow thorn
:)
manic hull
what speed is too much for 128GB ram on ryzen 5000?
rocky beacon
Why do you need 128GB of RAM?
manic hull
editing
hollow thorn
@manic hull 4x32 I assume? I'm going to guess the IMC is going to start struggling at 3600mhz+ on all sticks, and also, depends on the board
manic hull
Should i look at the board QVL list for speeds at or above 3600?
elfin warren
I doubt they're going to list 128GB kits of ram on the QVL
And the IMC is on the CPU
So you'll need some silicon lottery as well
long geyser
May I ask what? I have no idea what you could edit to need 128 ๐
long high bitrate 4k videos can cap 128gb systems iirc
manic hull
So its probably best to go with 3200 to play it safe?
naive pendant
You can need 128gb in rare cases with blender
elfin warren
3600 should be fine
naive pendant
depending how big your mesh goes.
elfin warren
Just not any higher
naive pendant
Ive hit meshes that can use 80% of my 32gb ram.
and more polygons you add, the worse it gets.
manic hull
Alright, thank you for the information!
oblique crown
long high bitrate 4k videos can cap 128gb systems iirc
Thank you.
misty obsidian
Is the zen3 stock becoming normal anytime soon ?
It's been almost 4 months out of stock now
elfin warren
AMD.com doe sit evry thursday 9 AM PST
They're more and more in stock regularly
Shouldn't be too hard to get now
misty obsidian
there's some 5800x in stock but no 5900x
naive pendant
Because 5800x is bad value iirc
misty obsidian
yeah and also 11700k is coming to slap 5800x in less than a month
naive pendant
Hehe, I wonder how good iris xe will be
Been debating a new laptop for college or a mini itx to carry around.
long geyser
11 series isnt getting much of a perf increase. It's the next gen after that for the nice perf stuff
elfin warren
Onboard GPU
misty obsidian
I really don't need more cores, if they could make a quad core with 100% ipc I'd buy it
naive pendant
Back a few years ago, intel was more like quad core only
unless you wanted to shell out cash for more cores.
thats why the XE could hit thousands.
misty obsidian
naive pendant
Xeon was like server iirc, consumer and workstation
misty obsidian
it is, those CPUs would suck for gaming. Also they're like 10k
56 core is nice if you're renting a bunch of virtual machines underneath
long geyser
dual Epyc 7742 is cheaper pretty sure
Epyc really made Xeon almost never worth it except for the rare scenario
warm path
Intel overpricing CPUs these days
void jolt
smh my head
oblique crown
Because 5800x is bad value iirc
Why is this bad value?
void jolt
it gets hot, doesnt deliver the performance it should
naive pendant
Why is this bad value?
5600x and 5950x exists.
also 5900x i think
correct me if im wrong
void jolt
i think
naive pendant
But yeah, as sara said. Performance and heat
void jolt
you would really be better off getting either a 5600x or a 5900x
oblique crown
Ignore me, I was thinking about the 6800 rad graphic card ๐
And I was under the impression I am in the graphics tab.
naive pendant
you would really be better off getting either a 5600x or a 5900x
Oh so the 5900x does exist.
naive pendant
games are allocating more threads now?
I still thought most games didn't really benefit from more than 4-6 threads.
topaz reef
Ive only played a few games that even use 8 cores/16t
void jolt
it provides the best framerate regardless of price
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I never said you needed more or that games used more
topaz reef
cyberpunk almost hits 50% on my 3900x
void jolt
just quoting the facts
topaz reef
the differences between the 5600x/5900/5950 are very small tho in regards to fps
long geyser
I still thought most games didn't really benefit from more than 4-6 threads.
lower CPU utilization means lower latency for a task to be done usually, so long as the clocks can keep up then ye it'll help at least slightly. 8c+ usually doesnt make enough of a different alone, but that different plus the binning for better single core clocks helps the 5900x/5950x
naive pendant
lower CPU utilization means lower latency for a task to be done usually, so long...
Ah makes sense.
drowsy tiger
cyberpunk almost hits 50% on my 3900x
where does the 1024 core epyc come from
quasi merlin
When I was setting up my PC today, I was trying to run on an XMP profile to test my memory clocks. I was experiencing crashes and the board (TUF z590) was flashing orange to indicate DRAM issues. Is this because I have yet to install the Window drivers or is this another issue? (First time building and tweaking bios, take that into consideration) (Also, sorry if this was the wrong place to ask. It is a question mixed up in hardware and software)
I tried to research some into it and was presented with 2 possible issues...
- Windows drivers not yet/fully installed
- Incorrect voltage
Has anyone else ran into this problem? The RAM kit is rated for 3600.
topaz reef
only get to upgrade about every 5 years so have to spread around what gets attention ๐
hollow thorn
@quasi merlin Basically, 2 main possibilities, first being faulty xmp profile on the stick (Say the profile tells it to run one of the secondary timings at a much lower value than it should be, or maybe voltage, or something else), second, possibly needing to update bios.
Windows should be no reason to mess with any XMP profiles or any ram settings on boot
@quasi merlin if it doesn't boot right now, just clear cmos, that'll clear the applied settings.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html
sudden gate
wow, I passed out right after posting that.
I have 16GB but I do a lot more multitasking than I thought I would when I first built my pc, and I frequently use almost all my ram.
Lately has been particularly bad given my current workload (to the point where things crash) and I've decided that I can no longer hobble along on just 16.
naive pendant
what kit of ram?
hollow kraken
https://www.newegg.ca/msi-mpg-b550-gaming-plus/p/N82E16813144325?Item=N82E16813144325 is this a good mobo for 3600mhz cl16 ram, gpu N/A and a ryzen 3600
limber dragon
probably overkill, but its good
vivid pewter
glossy dust
is b460m mortar good? imma put 10100f for now
grizzled bloom
I'd avoid B460 right now, no upgrade path, dead platform
elfin warren
B560
naive pendant
Wait so b560 is the one that can't overclock correct?
Intel platform slightly confuses me lol.
Z390/490/590 can OC?
B460 Dead? B560 can go up to 2933?
glossy dust
uh
z board for intel oc-ing
dunno bout b460 dead tho tbh
but yea once b560 comes out it'll prob will
but the advertised max freq allowed on a b560 board is 5200MHz
elfin warren
Makes the 10400 faster than the AMD 3600 in games for less money
wat
Oh, somewhere else
naive pendant
Wait. Are they talking about XMP?
5000 MHZ ram exists for XMP? I'd assume you would be able to tune it.
should i overclock a 3700x or get a 5600x? they're pretty similar in prices and the 2 extra cores could help if i boosted them up to 5600x levels
Are you gaming
or more than gaming
more
Like what?
i want to do some vid editing and get into animation/rendering but i cant on this laptop
i can do some light vid editing but it's so slow
I got 3700x because I benefited from those extra 2 cores in blender.
(3d).
glossy dust
5000 MHZ ram exists for XMP? I'd assume you would be able to tune it.
idk but, that's the most freq the board supports. dunno if there's a ram that fast tho tbh
naive pendant
idk but, that's the most freq the board supports. dunno if there's a ram that fa...
ah aight
jeez that's speedy ram
Depends
if CL14/16 hella yes.
CL19 yikes lol
imagine cl22
elfin warren
CL19 yikes lol
wat
naive pendant
isn't CL19 yikes?
long geyser
or 5100c19, if you want to go off of xmp
naive pendant
When is Higher CL looked down upon?
long geyser
with low freq
naive pendant
for example 3200CL18 vs 3600cl16.
long geyser
like 2133c19 is just.... no
elfin warren
5100 C19 is the going rate
long geyser
for example 3200CL18 vs 3600cl16.
generally you want to calculate the balance with freq and timings for theoretical perf, or bench the balance for real world perf
long geyser
I guess kinda think about it with calculating total time of someone doing a set amount of laps around a track. Basically you need to know their speed and how many laps they'll do. Someone going at 2mps for 2 laps will take same amount of total time as 1mps for 1 lap
naive pendant
ah.
long geyser
not really great example
but idk, am tired
basically just need to look at both things, not one or the other
naive pendant
same.
sudden gate
what kit of ram?
2400MHz, 2x8 GB (HyperX?) --> 3600MHz, 2x16 GB, cl 16 (GSkill Trident Z)
glossy dust
is there significant difference between 2666 and 3200/3600?
grizzled bloom
On intel? Only a few %
AMD? Very noticeable, up to 15% more fps going from 3200 to 3600
limber dragon
even on intel it very much does benefit
glossy dust
owh
limber dragon
closer to 10-13%, and amd around 15%
glossy dust
coz i'm debating if i just buy a b460 or wait for b560
i concluded that the time of purchase to time of release of the newer boards here will tell
grizzled bloom
Do B560, then you can upgrade later to 11th gen
grizzled bloom
Intel 11th gen is coming soon anyway, probably within a month
glossy dust
i realized
if i get b460, i won't be able to upgrade to 11th gen
but if i get b560, i get to upgrade to 11th gen
but 12th gen is coming
most likly with newer socket
uh......
the time i get to upgrade to 11th gen with b560, 12th gen is already out and chillin
grizzled bloom
Well by then AMD will have AM5 and DDR5 well established
glossy dust
so ig getting b460 still makes sense if i won't be able to get it near b560 release here
grizzled bloom
B560 is out already though, or at least boards have been released and are out of stock mostly
grizzled bloom
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157976?&quicklink=true
If it's on Newegg it's probably on Amazon, and both cover a good chunk of the world
grizzled bloom
Asus has a few out too but they're out of stock except this one
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119383
At least on wegg
glossy dust
Micro
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157978?&quicklink=true
lmao $52 est. delivery fee 
ruby laurel
grizzled bloom
nvm Amazon is sold out on B560 and H570 it looks like
glossy dust
yep i found nothing lol
can remove the protection plan to make it lower tho
ok no nvm
won't take it
grizzled bloom
Yeah might as well wait until you can get all the parts at once, more will be available then anyway
humble cove
What would be the best cpu for integrated graphics?
hollow thorn
4750g probably
I don't think Intel has anything about uhd630
4650g also very good, I think the same igpu
nova ridge
All other specs the same, Ram timing 18-22-22-42 VS 16-18-18-38 how much of a "feel" difference is that
manic hull
you probably wont notice a difference, but how much is the cost difference?
nova ridge
30 bucks
nova ridge
in what task would you notice that timing difference ? like why arethose timings relevant at all?
elfin warren
Synthetic benchmarks and render times
Games and every day use you won't notice
Timings affect bandwidth, IE, how fast things get done
Things that are bandwidth intensive, like rendering video or animations, will show a slight difference
nova ridge
Thank you Vintage
elfin warren
YW
hollow thorn
@elfin warren well, it should be a timing difference, therefore latency difference, not just bandwidth, afaik frequency has to deal with bandwidth, but anyways, tRCD is involved in first word read, so I'd assume that 4ns can stack up in general, although the real world differences would be small
hollow thorn
@naive pendant NO
naive pendant
<@456226577798135808> NO
what
hollow thorn
Cl isn't everything
hollow thorn
Uh no
naive pendant
damn
hollow thorn
@naive pendant the difference is 16-18-18 against 16-22-22
tCL is the same
Oh wait
I'm bloody blind
It's not
Lmfao
naive pendant
lol
rocky forge
Gigabyte, Asus or MSI mobos.?
naive pendant
Is there certain thing you are looking for or what?
Like vrms, or just something that works.
eager shore
Gigabyte, Asus or MSI mobos.?
it doesn't really matter what brand you go with
all three are good in different pricepoints
rocky forge
I juat want to build a good rig but not something way overpriced
eager shore
with what cpu?
rocky forge
Was probably going AMD
eager shore
which chip?
rocky forge
was considering the 5k series 7
eager shore
are you looking for any specific features in the motherboard?
such as chipset, usb ports, form factor, color, etc
void jolt
5800x?
naive pendant
Thats what I think
Thats really only i can understand.
You'd need a motherboard with flashback most likely
unless you have Zen2 in hand.
naive pendant
rocky forge
Yes the AMD Ryzen 7 5000 series and x570 chipset. I was considering the Gigabyte Auora Master
abstract tree
I have HP Envy 750-624 with i7-7700. I want to replace the motherboard so I can add more Ram. It has two slots and I want 4. I need to know where to order and how to specify the correct board. Not a gamer but want it for photo processing. Already have a Gigabyte GEForce GTX 1660 and Evga 650 G5 installed.
grizzled bloom
I have HP Envy 750-624 with i7-7700. I want to replace the motherboard so I can...
That's a socket 1151 processor. Pretty much any board with that socket will work, but you probably won't find anything new, maybe refurbished since it's 4 generations old.
abstract tree
Are the motherboard screw holes standard on most cases that will fit the 1151? I found this, GIGABYTE GA-H110-D3A Socket LGA 1151 Intel H110 USB 3.1 ATX . Would it work?
elfin warren
Need to check that HP case first, let me look up the case and motherboard
It looks like a standard M-ATX motherboard except for one screw that gives me concern
Are the standoffs in your PC case removeable?
So there will be some issues with this and swapping in a new motherboard. These three items will need to be dealt with somehow.
-
HP front panel header is proprietary. This has helped others, check to see if your model reflects it.
-
motherboard mounting standoffs.
-
Rear IO plate is part of HP's case. Not a separate removable item.
Might need to buy a new cheap case to put all the parts in :/
green ermine
does anyone know why when i upgraded my 8gb of ram to 16gb of ram my gaming desktop is more laggy?
silk vapor
Quick personal poll to help me out. Should I try to get the 5900x when possible at MSRP ๐ข or better off to wait for a protential 5900xt? ๐ด it seems like more and more likely to have a Zen 3+
Reposted since it was in the wrong channel.
elfin warren
5900x. The xts arent worth the money for the slight clock increase.
At least with 3000 series.
abstract tree
Sorry by standoffs do you mean hard drives, optical housing ? If so yes they are removable.
naive pendant
Yes the AMD Ryzen 7 5000 series and x570 chipset. I was considering the Gigabyte...
Go for ASUS or MSI
rocky forge
@naive pendant any reason?
naive pendant
Gigabyte has been putting out some pretty bad products recently
idk about their mobos but ASUS is a good bet
elfin warren
Sorry by standoffs do you mean hard drives, optical housing ? If so yes they ar...
THe pegs the motherboard sits on in the case
That the motherboard screws go into
The pattern on the current HP board doesn't match aftermarket boards
For example, this is your current board
This is a new M-ATX board, the screw holes are different which means the pegs in the case need to match as well
abstract tree
Might need to buy a new cheap case to put all the parts in :/
As per a You Tube (Handle- Mxkdi ) tear down, the rear IO plate can be removed with a sharp hit from a screwdriver handle shows at the 10 minute spot. By standoffs do you mean the screw mounting holes?
elfin warren
Yes, the screw mounting holes for the board
Are they fixed or can they be moved?
Honestly, I'd probably just recommend transplanting your hardware into a new case with a standard sized motherboard
grizzled bloom
HP loves to be "proprietary" and change one little thing to force people to buy their overpriced replacement parts...
Remember when they used to have everything flipped in a mirror image?
elfin warren
And proprietary power connectors?
I was surprised to see this board uses the ATX standard TBH
grizzled bloom
Yeah instead of the 12v only power you're seeing more often
abstract tree
Honestly, I'd probably just recommend transplanting your hardware into a new cas...
Based on the teardown, the standoffs cannot be moved. So if I get a new case , I would probably have to add a new optical drive? The rest would fit in a standard case. Any suggestions on a case and motherboard?
abstract tree
No, it is the standard HP Envy case.
elfin warren
Ah, ok
abstract tree
The old CPU would just drop in a new motherboard?
Yes tge whole purpose is to add much more ram so just start over with a new case
elfin warren
What was the price of the motherboard you found? The ones I saw were $200 or so. is this windows 10 or 7?
abstract tree
It was $200 W 10.
I did not see what the Ram max is as it has two slots. I assume 128 ?
elfin warren
Here's the issue I'm working on. With the cost of the motherboard, you could ALMOST get a modern processor AND new motherboard (have to buy ram anyway) that would run circles around that 7700. Mayb enot circles but a 10% boost. This is the debacle with upgrading prebuilts from Lenovo, Dell and HP. Boards are proprietary and upgrades can often snowball into other things with the cost of older parts. Entirely up to you.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157978?Description=B560&cm_re=B560-_-13-157-978-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i3-10100-core-i3-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118138?Description=10100&cm_re=10100-_-19-118-138-_-Product
abstract tree
Here's the issue I'm working on. With the cost of the motherboard, you could AL...
Okay, that looks like a better option. I assume if I decide to go higher in the CPU I would expect higher performance? I just looked at cases and hard to find a basic . It seems that some come with fans and power blocks. Others nothing.. How are the drives and optical mounted. Do they have built in mounting brackets?
elfin warren
Drives should be easy to mount, cases come with mounts for those. Optical might be a challenge, is it even needed though? Of course a faster processor will only raise the percentage of increase in performance you could expect. For example, the next step up, the 10400F would increase your multicore by up to 30% which would mean 30% faster image processing time.
abstract tree
Yes, I use dvd's and need a player. So that will be difficult. The motherboard looks good with 4 ram slots and good range of IO connections. Crazy range of cases seems most geared to gamers -six fans, water-cooled etc. No lack of options though.
abstract tree
i found a Corsair case with optical brackets.
pale mist
Well cases with optical bays are getting harder and harder to find
The cooler master NR series has some good stuff, and be quiet!
grizzled bloom
Most people just go with a slim external drive instead of that antiquated 5.25 inch design
quiet dagger
In terms of gaming, what do you guys think of the ryzen 5 3600
main pulsar
10400f
hollow thorn
Yes
Decent overall, but there are many that beat it, some even for cheaper, like the 10400f
green ermine
does anybody know why on the ASUS website for my motherboard it doesn't have the Bluetooth drivers
coarse pollen
whats the difference between
Intel Core i9-10900K
and
Intel Core i9-10900X
silk vapor
does anybody know why on the ASUS website for my motherboard it doesn't have the...
Try clicking "Show All Downloads" right below each file.
vestal garnet
Anyone know of Any R5 5600x ready boards that donโt break the bank?
elfin warren
They will all need a BIOS update right now. Define "break the bank"
gentle acorn
For the BIOS flash all you do is plug in a USB and hit the button right? Donโt need a CPU or anything in it?
gentle acorn
Alright
abstract tree
Drives should be easy to mount, cases come with mounts for those. Optical might...
THe intial problem with the mother board was that the memory card did not seat correctly. Would this have damaged the memory? How would I know?
elfin warren
Probably not. The board you have will onnly support 16 GB of memory though. So only that amount will show up in windows even if you install more
open barn
Yo, I got a dumb question.
Do motherboards or GPU's have HDMI inputs?
I'm like 70% sure they don't but I can't remember
elfin warren
Inputs? No, just outputs
open barn
Yeah my local Best Buy has a few. I'll probably go pick one up unless I find it cheaper on Newegg or somewhere else.
hollow zealot
so i was getting memory management blue screen. i switched ram slots and im not getting any blue screens but its still saying there is an error when i retested and checked the event viewer. also it feels like my performance has went down. any suggestions?
grizzled bloom
Switching RAM slots would cause it to run in single channel mode more than likely, even using 2 sticks. They need to be in slots 2 and 4 (#1 being the one next to CPU) on the majority of boards in order to run dual channel.
The fact you're still getting errors when testing means at least one RAM stick is bad.
gentle acorn
I was wondering should I get a i7-10700K or should I stick with getting a Ryzen 5 5600x?
grizzled bloom
5600X. It's looking like Intel 11th gen is a disappointment and doesn't match Zen 3 so little reason to do Intel for the upgrade path.
gentle acorn
Alright
Well wouldnโt I need a new motherboard for either one?
And I was meaning i7-10700 as I donโt plan to overclock at all and itโs quite a bit cheaper
gentle acorn
I havenโt looked into boards yet
elfin warren
Ah, well, it will matter due to how INtel nerfs ram speeds on some boards
gentle acorn
Alright
elfin warren
B460 particularly
gentle acorn
I currently have a Z390 so no matter what Iโd have to get one and Intel and AMD have no upgrade path for current Gen to next Gen
gentle acorn
Alright
elfin warren
Seriously, both are good
gentle acorn
Yeah
elfin warren
5600x has faster single core though
So if you're a gamer that will show
10700 has better multicore, so if you're doing photos or videos, that will show
gentle acorn
Yeah I was wanting to stream
9400F works fine for everything I do when Iโm not streaming but when streaming is when I have issues
elfin warren
In that case, I'd go 5600x probably
gentle acorn
Alright
abstract tree
Probably not. The board you have will onnly support 16 GB of memory though. So...
Do most mobo have wi fi ?
naive pendant
So should I stick with the 5600x still or go with the 10700?
I would look at 10850k instead if you're gonna consider multi-core
350$
if you don't have microcenter near you then that throws it out the window
gentle acorn
Alright I do have one but itโs a hour away
naive pendant
When bundling a mobo they usually take 20$ off iirc
gentle acorn
Alright
It shows for me itโs $650 but on sale for $350... I donโt plan to upgrade till the summer probably
rocky forge
is the x590 chipset an actual thing coming soon?
nova ridge
if you don't have microcenter near you then that throws it out the window
the 10900 is on sale for 400 if that is an option
naive pendant
the 10900 is on sale for 400 if that is an option
10850k is just 10900k that didn't fit intels spec
naive pendant
It shows for me itโs $650 but on sale for $350... I donโt plan to upgrade till t...
that likely won't change
just like how 9900k sale never ended
gentle acorn
Alright cool
nova ridge
10850k is just 10900k that didn't fit intels spec
I am saying if they cant get to a microcenter, the 109000k is currently on sale for 400 if that is an option .
naive pendant
Yeah
gentle acorn
Would the wattage be fine for my PSU with a RTX 2080 Super on a 700W?
For the 10850k
Itโs TDP is 125W
naive pendant
Yeah
gentle acorn
Alright
rocky forge
so, if i am not mistaken, i dont have to cool the mosfets with water on this board, correct?
I want to build a WC rig, but im buying it in phases
grizzled bloom
Do most mobo have wi fi ?
No, most don't. A lot have the slot for a wifi card but unless it specifies that it has wifi, it does not.
grizzled bloom
so, if i am not mistaken, i dont have to cool the mosfets with water on this boa...
No, but make sure there's something moving air over the board still
limber dragon
https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-crosshair-viii-formula/p/N82E16813119104
dont get a formula, the regular hero's vrm doesnt need active cooling
rocky forge
i was going to get the x570 e-gaming
this one
didnt even see the hero
but i dont think the Formula "needs: it, it just has the ability to do so
says you can use air or water
nova ridge
If you max out the sata ports on amotherboard with drives does that effect overall performace? This is a random question i know
grizzled bloom
Not really, it's not often that you'll be slamming all the drives at full speed. Just keep in mind, depending on your motherboard, having a M.2 drive might disable one of the sata ports.
gentle acorn
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6pCVTJ
Howโs this look? The case, CPU fan, motherboard, and CPU is what Iโm changing everything else I already have
nova ridge
Not really, it's not often that you'll be slamming all the drives at full speed....
Thank you!
gentle acorn
I saw it says this would this be something I should change or not since Iโm not overclocking?
grizzled bloom
Nah that's not a concern unless you're planning on pushing 200+ Watts through the CPU
gentle acorn
Alright
I just realized I might need to change the fan as that one I checked to see if it was compatible with AMD didnโt check for Intel
grizzled bloom
It's Intel compatible
Looks like a decent list to me (at least the parts you mentioned you're changing) and the RAM should be low profile enough to not have to worry much about the CPU cooler.
limber dragon
Nah that's not a concern unless you're planning on pushing 200+ Watts through th...
try 400w+
naive pendant
Nothing makes me more angry than seeing a dude on Facebook with a stack of 20 boxes of 5950x amd processors and asking 1500 each.
Like what kind of store lets people buy more than one of these things knowing thereโs a shortage.
Let alone 20? Seriously you let them buy that many?
grizzled bloom
Amazon doesn't care who buys and initially didn't set any limits
And bots can bypass limits easily
naive pendant
How much of a loser do you need to be to scalp like that
grizzled bloom
The kind of loser that has no sense of decency or morals and will do anything for a quick buck
naive pendant
I bet these same people complain about the unfairness of life and about capitalism while being shittier than most companies doing what they do.
grizzled bloom
How about those companies that literally make bots, buy everything they can of high demand items ranging from shoes to GPUs, and then sell them to "members" at a marked up price on top of the $75 a month membership?
naive pendant
What companies do that? Iโve thought it was just savvy individuals or small local businesses alone just doing that.
Ironic either way. People that complain about capitalism being more capitalist than the company that made the product theyโre scalping in a way. And businesses that call out unethical businesses making bots to do the very same thing.
grizzled bloom
naive pendant
Youโre gonna do it. Donโt complain about it.
So the company made the bot and individuals bought access to the bot and set it to get hog all the stock they can to sell for triple. So, itโs
The company sold the bot to individuals
grizzled bloom
Right, the bot can be set to buy just about anything and is almost exclusively used by resellers, I had mis-remembered but this was the story I saw back in September
naive pendant
Not that Iโm promoting it to be done but. Ddos bounce.com?
Seems like an easy solution
grizzled bloom
I'm sure they have defenses against that, and the script runs on user's computer
naive pendant
Ahh yeah true it wouldnโt just be through a server access.
grizzled bloom
Here's my favorite line because it's total BS, software isn't limited on downloads:
โLike Nvidia, weโre also a high demand product and we sell out,โ the admin for Bounce Alert added. โWe have hundreds to thousands of users waiting for us to open the doors to invite more individuals to our group.โ
devout mothBOT
Dom Rosa#4357 has been warned
naive pendant
Thatโs the biggest bs Iโve read if Iโve ever read anything
indigo vessel
Nice
grizzled bloom
Yes it's been there a few days now, demand seems to have stabilized a bit for CPUs
indigo vessel
*cries in GPU shortages
grizzled bloom
It's a step toward the light at the end of the tunnel
nova hornet
just the 5800x lol
full flame
5600x stock has also improved a lot
void jolt
its not fully there yet but it will be
hidden rampart
try 400w+
that's a bit too much, 336W is the absolute maximum burst load you can draw. Trying to pull 330W+ sustained through a single 8 pin cable long term will slowly melt / burn the cable or connector
limber dragon
Its 8A per pin pair, not 7
mild jackal
Then why can I pull 1kw through two 8 pins for ~ 1 minute without issue?
sudden gate
The thing I didn't realize about ram capacity upgrading was that it doubles so when I had 16, this 34% would have been ~68%. And now when I multitask, the 90% I would have had with 16 is only going to be ~50% with 32 GB assuming I'm not memswaping that much at that 90% on 16.
For anyone building a "gaming PC," I would make sure you ask yourself if the PC is going to be general purpose on top of gaming. 'cause I didn't ask myself that and mine turned out to be more multitask than I anticipated, so I needed the 32 GB.
sudden gate
I get the OS and other programs use more when they have more, hence the "~"
elfin warren
Kind of, yes
sudden gate
I remember my old utilization under my current use, and it was half this number. So the scaling is holding fairly alright under this current situation
elfin warren
It needs to be an app for app, page for page comparison though
sudden gate
Right, that's what I mean by "current use."
I expect mileage to vary depending on what I'm currently running
elfin warren
Yep! Also, the more you have, the more it will use
If you only have 16, it will be rationed pretty well
sudden gate
I wonder what % extra is used by common programs when LTT makes those builds with 2TB of RAM
elfin warren
Those servers? It's all those people using them to render 4-8K video lol
sudden gate
Do they actually use the $20k+ builds? I thought those were just for videos
elfin warren
They get used
rocky beacon
Most of them are taken apart
sudden gate
That's what I thought, but I guess if they have the hardware, they could use them
rocky beacon
Linus has said multiple times they usually get taken apart after videos and parts go back into their warehouse unless it's a system for work use
elfin warren
Depends on what they build tho
rocky beacon
Like I said unless it's a system for work use
void jolt
Why would it be?
pale mist
That driver date tho
pale mist
I will update it
void jolt
Actually dibs
pale mist
This is just my test drive
void jolt
Iโm posting that
void jolt
Wrong subreddit
grizzled bloom
That's just a default date probably
patent iris
Notice the word probably lol
pale mist
Well this was the hard drive of a pink 2011 sony vaio laptop
pure current
Just built my pc and when I turn the pc off, the rgb lights on my motherboard do not turn off. How do i fix this? i have an rog strix b550-f mobo
elfin warren
Flip off the switch on the power supply
zinc aurora
Just built my pc and when I turn the pc off, the rgb lights on my motherboard do...
You can go into the bios and change it from there,best to look for a tutorial, cuz each bios is different.Unless someone here can be of more help than i can hehe
pure current
Yeah i canโt find the setting thatโs why iโm asking for help
zinc aurora
Yeah i canโt find the setting thatโs why iโm asking for help
Actually you can check ur mobo manual it should have instructions on how to do it
glass zenith
I'm going to upgrade my build, going for a 5 3600, but i'm unsure about the motherboard, i don't wanna deal with thermal throttling and so But i won't be overcloking i just wanna a cool option in general. But i didn't find much info about b450 options on VRM performance and i don't know if it's worth go for b550 instead b450.
For now this are my options between this price range i think it's where i need to decide: b450m Tuf Gaming ($105), b550m DS3H ($105), b550m Aorus Elite($115), B450 Tomahawk MAX II ($125), b550m Pro 4 ($130) or B550m Steel Legend ($150), B450 Tuf Gaming($150), b550 Aorus Pro ($150). (Mexico pricing)
I'm "on budget" (Not exactly, but i simply don't wanna overspend), any advice or recommendation?
hollow thorn
B550m pro4 imo, B550 over B450 is just nicer for more features at a similar price, and also keep in mind 3600 is not a very power hungary chip, basically any VRM will do for it.
gusty whale
so i just had to RMA my 3900x anyone know how long it takes for them to email me back
void jolt
B550m pro4 imo, B550 over B450 is just nicer for more features at a similar pric...
DS3H is nice too
elfin warren
No diagnostics, I hate that board
hollow thorn
^
topaz reef
@gusty whale what happened to it?
gusty whale
So i talked to my friend and he said randomly it stopped working
No bent pins no nothing
I built the pc for him a year ago
not even
topaz reef
cpu failures are pretty rare
gusty whale
recently put a AIO on it
And tested it in 2 systems
2 working systems
And it wont work in either
No post screen no Keyboard or Mouse output on both systems
naive pendant
Will a ASUS AMD B550 work with Corsair vengeance pro 3600 and a ryzen 7 3800x
elfin warren
Yes
naive pendant
Thank you
bold crown
No post screen no Keyboard or Mouse output on both systems
you tested the aio in 2 machines or the cpu?
bold crown
recently put a AIO on it
also was it working before you put aio in?
gusty whale
you tested the aio in 2 machines or the cpu?
CPU
It was working before the AIO and after for awhile
Itโs less than a year old so I sent in a RMA request
gusty whale
you tested the aio in 2 machines or the cpu?
On a X570 board and a X370 board totally different systems
bold crown
hmmm did you try reseting mobo to defaults first?
gusty whale
Yup
Itโs the cpu
Because my 3600 has no problem working in it
Itโs actually my friends cpu it stopped working one day took it to a pc shop said it was dead he had to pay for a new one but he didnโt care and gave me the dead one to try to fix it but Iโm just RMAing it because its defo dead he also doesnโt do overclocking or anything
I have the box and warranty card for it so I should have no problem RMAing it he also said if they need order confirmation he bought it he would give me it
bold crown
hmmm pretty sus
errant knoll
Hi guys, Do i still need a 3rd party heatsink for my samsung evo plus nvme?
rocky beacon
No
grizzled bloom
Probably not unless you do a lot of large file transfers
rocky beacon
It helps for Gen4 drives but still not required usually
split copper
You can if you want
sour musk
Is the i7 8700 a good cpu still?
split copper
Probably don't take off the sticker if you do
rocky beacon
It's alright but I don't recommend buying it brand new
sour musk
What is a good cpu
rocky beacon
What's your budget?
sour musk
It's just a recommendation
errant knoll
Probably not unless you do a lot of large file transfers
I play LoL and warzone so is it worth to buy?
sour musk
I have a i3 9100f
grizzled bloom
Nah that doesn't count as file transfers
errant knoll
It helps for Gen4 drives but still not required usually
Ohh thanks cody-san
rocky beacon
What?
sour musk
All I do is game
errant knoll
Nah that doesn't count as file transfers
Ok thanks!
rocky beacon
i5-10400F is also pretty great for the price
grizzled bloom
It won't get hot enough to need one while gaming
sour musk
Only 8 and 9th gen
errant knoll
It won't get hot enough to need one while gaming
Ok ok I appreciate it thank u!
rocky beacon
I don't recommend getting a 8th gen or a 9th gen CPU really unless its really really cheap
sour musk
I just bought a new motherboard to fix my computer.
rocky beacon
Well you should have bought a B560 board with a 10400F or something
sour musk
I didn't have the money
rocky beacon
How much was the motherboard?
rocky beacon
This is an amazing B560 board for the price
Z370 and Z390 is not worth spending any money on in my opinion anymore unless you get a CPU for really cheap
You can get way better performing 10th gen CPUs for cheaper
sour musk
Yeah I wasn't going to get a z370 or 90
gusty whale
b560 sounded really close to b550 lmao
nova hornet
chipset naming schemes 
void jolt
b560 sounded really close to b550 lmao
thats because B560 is the intel version of B550
basically same board, just different socket
gusty whale
thats because B560 is the intel version of B550
Yup
i hate how close the naming schemes are lmao
void jolt
it helps imo
gusty whale
it does but at the same time
magic cedar
hey its another floppa
gusty whale
hey its another floppa
another??? im the original
void jolt
@eternal turtle
eternal turtle
magic cedar
<@!604123052976111655> tfw doesnt say you joined
huh?
i didnt join
cant play on weekdays
zenith mantle
Looking to up the RAM in my computer. Sites I found said maxed out at 16Gb but didn't know if that was just stock or if that's a limitation of the computer. Any knowledge on this hardware? HP Envy 750-624
hollow thorn
The limitation is a max of 2 ddr4 sticks of 8gb each, 2133mhz max, from what I can see
zenith mantle
Thanks for that. Looks like it's time to upgrade
elfin warren
Intel 10400F and B560 motherboard are fantastic budget options
zenith mantle
great, thanks for that info.
glossy dust
Intel 10400F and B560 motherboard are fantastic budget options
should i rly wait for b560 to come here? it seems like it ain't that worth it to upgrade from 10th to 11th. and alder lake is already out once i upgrade
glossy dust
yes
elfin warren
WIth 3200 mhz ram, the 10400F beats the 3600
With 2666, it falls behind
You don't have to wait
B460 works just fine
elfin warren
but would be nice to have an upgrade path
B46 is t he end of the road for Intel, no 11th gen support
So upgrades down the road would require all new hardware
glossy dust
still knowledgable of how upgrade path intel has
elfin warren
Well
After 11th gen
You'll need a new motherboard anytway for 12th gen
new socket, LGA1700 lol
glossy dust
yea
elfin warren
Typical Intel
gusty whale
Think AMD will deny my RMA request for my friends CPU if they see on the invoice it was shipped to him and billed to his name
Or do you think being that I have that info I should have no problem doing it
because he said he would send me it if needed
void jolt
huh?
you said you would after school was over for you lmao
oh well
my parents are the same
gusty whale
ok so i got the invoice from my friend is it ok that its more than one item on the invoice tho?
because it was a order of a 3900x and a 3600 and for some reason a random one of a B450M board
im hoping this should work
void jolt
you may need to return all 3 items
oblique crown
Think AMD will deny my RMA request for my friends CPU if they see on the invoice...
RMAs should be stuck to names. And I doubt a serious company will allow a third party with no sale contract to act as the owner ๐
void jolt
possibly
void jolt
Depends on if wegg or AMD was the one to sell it
void jolt
ok then RMA through wegg
gusty whale
would it be easier?
void jolt
easier?
gusty whale
or the same process
void jolt
if AMD is already offering an RMA then it would be easier to RMA through them but if they arent you can try wegg
gusty whale
yeah AMD is
if i send them the invoice picture of the CPU in the socket and with the Motherboard bios version as well
thats what they said they need
only issue is i used my name in the RMA request and the invoice is in his
they said i could open another request tho
eager shore
depends on what you're gonna be doing
if you know that you need 32gb fine, yeah sure go ahead
if you don't know why you need it, you don't need it
vale hawk
gaming light productivity
eager shore
16gb is fine
eager shore
if it's for ram, it's fine
vale hawk
ok
elfin warren
Yes, that's good. 3600 C16 is what you should aim for
eager shore
^
elfin warren
Crucial Ballistix has a kit for $80 ish
magic cedar
you said you would after school was over for you lmao
did i?
void jolt
what new ones
magic cedar
i donโt remember
hollow thorn
what new ones
Maybe they saw news on threadripper pro and thought that was consumer too?
void jolt
ah crap i was wrong
TR pro looks pretty neat
lower clock speeds than 3990x tho?
3990x
3995WX
whats the difference exactly?
vast meadow
Probs the core count no?
void jolt
both 64c 128t
vast meadow
Ohh then 100 mhz it looks like lul
void jolt
but the 'PRO' version has lower speeds 
hollow thorn
Zen 3 ipc prob
void jolt
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
hollow thorn
Pretty sure 3995wx is Zen 3 or at least Zen 3 node
vast meadow
but the 'PRO' version has lower speeds <a:spinning_think:400736652089360394>
Giga brain
hollow thorn
Oh wait
void jolt
?
hollow thorn
"The AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO series is rumored to feature the same core configurations as the standard parts based on the Zen 2 core architecture but will be featuring increased I/O and support for up to 8-channel memory."
void jolt
ah
humble wasp
is it batter to take z590 than z490 ?
void jolt
so better mem configs and I/O input and output
void jolt
is it batter to take z590 than z490 ?
yes but why do you need Z590?
humble wasp
cuz i have now b460
void jolt
why do you think its worth the upgrade?
what do you plan to put in this supposed Z590?
humble wasp
cuz mb i have only run 2666 ram\
hollow thorn
Keep in mind 11th gen Intel is the LAST GENERATION ON LGA1200
void jolt
^^^
hollow thorn
@humble wasp b560 can run ram without cap
void jolt
same with Zen3 and AM4
humble wasp
so 560 batter i just know about this item
hollow thorn
B560 much nicer on the wallet
void jolt
even the cheap B560 boards still miles ahead of most Z490 or B460 boards
I like the Pro4 from Asrock especially
hollow thorn
Keep in mind 11th gen Intel is the LAST GENERATION ON LGA1200
There's like no future either way
humble wasp
so batter to wait?
hollow thorn
B560 Z590 both support 11th gen
humble wasp
no upgrade
hollow thorn
Maybe
humble wasp
cuz i have only one 8 gb ram 2666mhz
i think to take batter mb and 2
2*16 3600mhz
ram\
void jolt
just get better ram.
void jolt
better board can wait till later
hollow thorn
Don't forget this is also the last generation for ddr4 lol
void jolt
you are going to have to get DDR5 down the line when
yes
yeah
dammit 1111
you and vintage keep beating me to the punch
hollow thorn
Too fast for you
void jolt
shush
humble wasp
lol
hollow thorn
Mua ha ha ha
humble wasp
so i wait ?\
humble wasp
stick with what i have
void jolt
burn your money however you want, we just dont think its worth the upgrade
hollow thorn
Dunno how I'm faster when I'm on mobile and eating food
void jolt
1 hand on mobile is faster than 1 hand on PC
humble wasp
when the upgrades will be ?
humble wasp
no i mean the ddr5 and the future mb
humble wasp
hollow thorn
I'd do it second year of ddr5
void jolt
^
hollow thorn
Or at least a few months into the first year
void jolt
DDR5 first generation not going to be great
humble wasp
cant stay for 2 years on 8 gb 2666 ram
hollow thorn
Need to have people iron out the bugs
Then go b560, 2x8 3200c16 ram, and chill for 2 years
void jolt
^
humble wasp
what mb u suggest for me
hollow thorn
But also remeber, toh could just slap in another 8gb 2666 stick in
Dual channel is nice
B560 pro4 for 100$
void jolt
G.skill or crucial
void jolt
ballistix usually around same price anyways so yeah
void jolt
oh
i was scared for a moment lol
2x8 for $165
gimme a sec
looks like ballistix is sold out everywhere
g.skill good too
humble wasp
void jolt
lemme find a kit with good timings
void jolt
yep
the die and timings arent great on this one but its cheap
lemme see if i can find a better one
$200 for this kit
but a pretty great one
B-die tho, which is good but not exactly E-Die
void jolt
https://www.newegg.com/global/bh-en/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E168202...
18ns CAS Latency
hollow thorn
16-19-19-39 is prob cjr tho
hollow thorn
18ns CAS Latency
Tbh doesn't matter that much for Intel
void jolt
it doesnt?
humble wasp
so 16 is batter than 18?
void jolt
what die does G.Skill use when its not b die because its probs that
void jolt
so 16 is batter than 18?
apparently not as much as I thought on Intel
void jolt
yep
humble wasp
thank you so much for the info and advises
humble wasp
is ther is an issue if i connect 2 monitors?
void jolt
why would there be?
void jolt
theres multiple display outputs on a card for a reason
humble wasp
what you suggest for second monitor when i have 24 asus
void jolt
Asus TUF 1660 super?
humble wasp
no
24 inch asus monitor i have
i think to get second monitor
but i dont know what to get with budget price
void jolt
I think your GPU has DVI, DP, and HDMI?
if you are using HDMI, get a DP monitor
and vise versa
void jolt
is this monitor going to be for gaming?
humble wasp
cuz not for gaming will right ?
void jolt
if its not for gaming, you dont need more than 60hz and whatever panel, latency
humble wasp
i think i will use what i have now for gaming
ok
is there and monitors in you mind
so i can search
void jolt
like I said
humble wasp
and direct my sellf
void jolt
whatever is cheapest and is 1080p
theres this one BenQ monitor I found that is pretty nice
idk where the link is tho
humble wasp
how about brands is it matter?
humble wasp
when ii search with the b560 pro is same what i have not support more than 2666mhz
10th Gen Intelยฎ Coreโข (i9/i7) support DDR4 up to 2933; Coreโข (i5/i3), Pentiumยฎ and Celeronยฎ support DDR4 up to 2666.
elfin warren
With a b560 board yes
void jolt
Zen3 specifies only 3200mhz but it does amazing with 3800mhz-4000mhz
And Zen2 is same with 3600mhz
And most 400 series boards only did 3200mhz as well
Same thing
elfin warren
AMD processors say the same thing
humble wasp
so when i buy the mb and put 3600 ram i will fell the differnce then what i have now b460 and 2666
elfin warren
But you can run 3600+ no issues
elfin warren
Yes, FPS with 3200 mhz ram and 10400 is more than the AMD 3600
It makes a difference
elfin warren
What message?
humble wasp
that only support to 2666
humble wasp
o
ok
thats good to know
and is it batter to get 3600 or 3200
if same price
cuz u always recommend 3200 when you speak about rams
elfin warren
Right, there's not much performance improvement for Intel above 3200
But if they're the same price it won't hurt
humble wasp
ok
sorry for that much Q
but i dont want to get hit second time when i choose items
elfin warren
it's OK
humble wasp
thank you for your understanding
humble wasp
lol :p
atomic fiber
the problem with the AMD 500 series chipsets still persists and gets worse.
void jolt
wdym?
grizzled bloom
Probably the usb disconnects and general instability?
atomic fiber
i want to buy a b5xx motherboard soon but...
lone oar
but what
atomic fiber
but this usb issue
lone oar
im sure if you buy a good mobo there wont be an issue
like thr b550 pro4
i men
wrong one
b550 phantom 4
full flame
I haven't had any issues with a 5600x and b550 board ๐คทโโ๏ธ
atomic fiber
whats the highest end b5xx model? b560?
lone oar
for intel
atomic fiber
amd
lone oar
x570
atomic fiber
intel = dead
lone oar
b550
grizzled bloom
Intel is b560, amd is b550
atomic fiber
UB benchs are fake
lone oar
i assume