what ram is recommended for it 32gb
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
atomic fiber
elfin warren
You're looking at the JEDEC spec
atomic fiber
wrong paste sorry my imac is so slow
hollow thorn
Also, I know micron e die doesn't care about temp, but kinda impressive he got 6000mt/s with just a stock stick, no ln2 pot or anything
elfin warren
No worries
elfin warren
Ballistix from Crucial
hollow thorn
atomic fiber
rgb recommendation please
hollow thorn
or, if you want to throw away like 50$ for worse performance
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374105
Neo has worse XMP, worse die
hollow thorn
uh what
elfin warren
Intel, vs AMD ram is nothing more than marketing
atomic fiber
why corsair is so expensive
hollow thorn
And "Intel XMP" means nothing for the CPU, just that Intel developed the XMP profiles
Corsair is trash
atomic fiber
whats so especial about them
hollow thorn
bad die, bad looks imo, bad software, bad compatibility, bad xmp, bad price
Only reason people buy Corsair ram is because of the name brand, the product itself is inferior to say Ballistix.
atomic fiber
👍
novel geyser
Really?
novel geyser
bad die, bad looks imo, bad software, bad compatibility, bad xmp, bad price
Is it bad performance wise
hollow thorn
For the price, very.
Like 140$ for a kit of 2x8gb 3600mhz cl18 is..... interesting
elfin warren
For the price, very.
Like 140$ for a kit of 2x8gb 3600mhz ***cl18*** is..... in...
Overpriced and garbage
Is what it is
WHen ballistix exists
hollow thorn
Yep
misty thorn
Adata isn’t bad either
elfin warren
@robust torrent Please do it in here
The other channel is kinda busy
Ram and motheboard please
🙂
robust torrent
Okay I'm sorry. Thank you for helping. I have a tomahawk b550 motherboard updated to the latest bios. My ram is a trident z neo 3600mhz kit. I have the box for ram if u need more info
Sorry, it's my first build
elfin warren
Ok, we answered you in General chat BTW but I'll do it again here
In case you have more questions
So, 3600 mhz is effective speed
1800 mhz is actual speed that CPU-Z reports
You are 100% ok
Everything is running like it should
robust torrent
Yes
elfin warren
Everything is 100% normal
misty thorn
Since I’m here might as well ask: what’s the max speed for a consumer grade set of ddr3 ram?
hollow thorn
@elfin warren quick question, am I being paranoid, or is there any reason they might limit 10th gen ram speeds on b560?
elfin warren
They're just listing what the processor officially supports looks like
I don't see any reason it would be limited on the board
My guess is JEDEC processor spec, not XMP
hollow thorn
(They only list comet lake compatibility on qvl with no other mentions of stuff, I might just be paranoid atm)
elfin warren
I think you are TBH
Kinda like the whole AMD processor thing
Only "officially" supports X speed but that's a lie lol
robust torrent
Aside from my dram freq changed from auto to 3600hz, do I need to change anything else? All I see for xmp is an "A-xmp" setting
elfin warren
Nope, should be just fine
Install all the drivers from the motherboard manufacturers website
and the one for your GPU
and have a happy gaming time
hollow thorn
Welp, time to start recommending this with 10400 from now on then.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157977
robust torrent
Thank you so much for your help. I was confused
elfin warren
Welcome!
robust torrent
It's actually showing up correct speed in task manager. That's relieving
elfin warren
Yep!
robust torrent
Can I disable A-xmp profile 1 or leave it on?
atomic fiber
any suggestion for: 3080 gaming rgb best cooling max oced
pale mist
@atomic fiber the aorus master is probably the best cooler
The rog is also really good but i personally think the rog is a bit ugly
wind field
Ryzen 7 3800x or ryzen 9 3600? For small form factor pc
naive pendant
https://www.newegg.com/global/qa/p/N82E16813157980?Item=N82E16813157980&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-157-980-_-02222021 is this a good motherboard for an i3 10100?
spark spade
How good of basic mobo is this?
And is the cpu upgradable? It's sporting an is 9700
elfin warren
Only upgrade is 9900
No K processors
slower ram, limited to 2666
Only 2 ram slots
spark spade
So it won't support anything higher. It seems a max of 32
elfin warren
Only 2 sata ports
spark spade
Is a 9900 i7 bad.
elfin warren
It's not that it's bad but the slow ram will hobble it
spark spade
It's my buddies pc. He went with the omen cause he got a deal from BB.
Just want to see what I can offer to help him make it better. It seems like it'll do what he wants though. Playing games like ark / warzone / xbox via his pc.
elfin warren
There are very limited upgrades with that
spark spade
Is that a pc I can switch the mobo out on?
lavish aspen
Does any1 know if the Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI (rev.1.0) MOBO needs a BIOS update in order for it to be compatible withe the Ryzen 5 3600?
elfin warren
It does not
lavish aspen
It does not
Ty
elfin warren
yw
lavish aspen
This gon sound stupid bc im relatively new to PCS. If u have a pro WiFi board do u need to get a WiFi card
elfin warren
Nope
lavish aspen
Bro @elfin warren your my savior
elfin warren
YW
lavish aspen
Ty for answering
void jolt
To be fair - and I know there is no such thing as a stupid question - what else would the ‘wifi’ in the name mean?
grizzled bloom
Some manufacturers like to hide behind asterisks. Wifi*
*Wifi available with compatible wireless card, sold separate
naive pendant
best mobo for 5 3600 that's $100 ish?
naive pendant
doubt it.
elfin warren
ATX for $100?
naive pendant
You can get a cheap b450 itx
For like 100 or less
but atx uhhh
b450 a pro any good?
looks at the very least 150
if im doing 150 i'd rather just get a tomahawk max
void jolt
Only ones are from Asrock
naive pendant
if im doing 150 i'd rather just get a tomahawk max
at 150 pricing b550
Do you already have the 3600?
tired furnace
Hi I have been having an issue where my mouse & keyboard stop working and the lights will flicker. Plugging them in again doesn't fix it--I need to restart the PC each time. They are both wired and plugged into mobo USB ports. Also sometimes my USB wifi card also stops responding, but it's usually plugged into a USB port in the case. I'm thinking I need a new mobo? My current one is MSI Z77A-G45 ATX LGA1155 and wondering what would be a replacement that I won't have to buy used/refurbished. Appreciate any help
elfin warren
unfortunately if you need a new board it will be used or refurbished. Those boards first came out in 2012. Front panel USB headers can be wonky, I'd recommend everything going to the back of the case directly to the motherboard if you can.
If you can't, consider a USB hub and try that. Might be a front panel connector issuie
tired furnace
Would I be able to buy a new/different mobo without replacing other parts? How can I shop for a compatible board?
The ones that seem to have the problems are when I plug directly into the mobo
elfin warren
There aren't any made new for that chipset anymore
tired furnace
ok, thanks
Do you think it'd probably be best to just buy a used replacement of the same type that I have?
elfin warren
I'd recommend upgrading rather than investing in old tech. Find a used newer CPU/MB combo maybe for the price of a refurb unit? But used/refurbished is your only real choice for that CPU.
tired furnace
Okay, thanks again. Appreciate it.
elfin warren
YW
humble wasp
if i am in game some time the game goes as slow motion why like this ?
and how i can fix this
is it from parts or software?
frank oasis
Is it possible to gt a cheap mobo for a 6700k right now? Can't seem to find one with more than 2 PCIE slots'
elfin warren
They will all be used or refurbs, most likely. It was end of life in 2018
gentle acorn
Should I wait to see Intel’s 11th Gen as well or should I stick to getting a 5600x?
eager shore
if you want to you can wait to see what they offer for similar prices
b560 boards seem to be promising for budget gamers
elfin warren
They are
runic vigil
@wild cape We're moving this conversation here since you're looking for the right CPU, and this is the right server for it.
runic vigil
There ARE water coolers (AIO) that do have RGB fans. Corsair H150i tends to be the best of that provide. But for non-RGB AIOs, Arctic Cooler II tend to be most recommended.
elfin warren
-_-
runic vigil
He's asking for RGB.
eager shore
bruh ek exists yk
elfin warren
EK 240mm for RGB
eager shore
^
elfin warren
Outcools the H150i for less money
wild cape
elfin warren
He's asking for RGB.
I higly recommend you start watching Gamers Nexus on YouTube. Fantastic cooler testing and full reviews including tear downs
runic vigil
I'm aware of Gamers Nexus.
elfin warren
this one looks good? https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-masterliquid-ml240l-rg...
Cooler masters leak from the pump if you aren't careful
I would avoid
wild cape
ok
runic vigil
What's your budget on a CPU cooler?
elfin warren
runic vigil
Getting a competent AIO isn't gonna be cheap either way.
eager shore
wdym?
runic vigil
The best AIO at its cheapest is $100.
eager shore
120 bucks ain't that bad for a good performing rgb aio
runic vigil
Just sayin'.
naive pendant
You can also get Artic.
wild cape
The best AIO at its cheapest is $100.
As in?
naive pendant
and mount rgb fans
runic vigil
That depends on what you're willing to pay to make sure your chip--i7 or i9--stays stable.
eager shore
i'm planning to purchase the 240 basic from ek for my build
literally the best looking black cooler imo
wild cape
EK 240mm for RGB
Lets say I want that how do I put it into my newegg PC builder list?
runic vigil
You want a RGB cooler for less than $50, then Vetroo V5 CPU Air Cooler will do, but some are skeptical on it with intel chips.
naive pendant
Artic>Slightly better than NZXT lol
eager shore
bruh arctic tubes are weird looking
naive pendant
they look like
i have yet to see a good looking rgb cooler under 50 thats not the prism
braided tubes lol
wild cape
It doesnt look like its on PCPP
eager shore
huh i thought it was just a gimmick
eager shore
It doesnt look like its on PCPP
it is
elfin warren
huh i thought it was just a gimmick
nay
wild cape
oh oops
wild cape
I cant seem to find this case on PCPP https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811353195?Item=N82E16811353195
eager shore
diypc moment 😳
wild cape
?
eager shore
lemme check if it's on pcpp
runic vigil
They haven't added the IDX models.
tired furnace
Any advice Ryzen 5 3600 vs i5-10600k? Seems like roughly same price at $200-$230 and a good value. I am replacing i7-3770k. I have a EVGA GeForce GTX 960 already and I will be buying a new mobo with my new CPU. Are there other options roughly $300 or less that would be a better bargain?
hollow thorn
@tired furnace nowadays 10600k absolutely slap 3600 in every way
From the introduction of b560 boards
elfin warren
yes
runic vigil
Honestly, PCPP isn't as extensive on data as I like it to be. I bought an Enermax Ostrog GT, and it's barely in PCPP with any given specs.
elfin warren
10400 too
tired furnace
Great I will look into it
elfin warren
That's because it's out of stock and discontinued
runic vigil
But the DIYPC model isn't.
hollow thorn
@tired furnace and while b560 boards don't show up on PCPP, they're in stock on Newegg when I checked last
runic vigil
That proves my point, vintage.
hollow thorn
And tbh pcpp is doing what they can imo
naive pendant
^
runic vigil
Isn't there an option to add a new case to the database?
elfin warren
SO add it manually?
naive pendant
I can find 710s on PCP last iirc
hollow thorn
Yea
eager shore
^
hollow thorn
Afaik pcpp makes custom parts into actual listings, and they don't just scrape sites
runic vigil
There you go, Joesr.
Here's an upside to going for an i7 over an i9 (newest models): you save $50, which you can use towards a quality cooler.
eager shore
There you go, Joesr.
what happened
runic vigil
We could easily register the DIYPC model into PCPP, and problem solved.
eager shore
yeah
runic vigil
TnT is going through PCPP by our recommendation.
eager shore
or go with cougar mx410 mesh
hollow thorn
@eager shore oos last I checked
runic vigil
Not available for RGB.
hollow thorn
Ye, a rgb version exists, but out of stock
eager shore
it's in stock on amazon but the shipping and handling is pricey
tired furnace
if I upgrade to i5-10600k and b560 mobo, what compatibility issues do I need to worry about with my current parts?
eager shore
what parts do you currently have
hollow thorn
@tired furnace upgrading from a 3770k, you'll need new ram (ddr4 instead of ddr3), and you probably want to take a look at your psu
hollow thorn
You'll want new ram, a new cooler, and I'd personally buy a new SSD. The PSU should be fine
tired furnace
ok thanks, any suggestions?
hollow thorn
You can buy a new PSU if that one had been used heavily, but should be okay, I'll be back in a moment for suggestions
tired furnace
thanks, no rush
Oh I also have another SSD 250GB I have both hooked up (forgot to add to list) and a 1TB external
hollow thorn
Example decent cooler :
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086WNPXVP
Example decent ram (any ddr4 3000/3200mhz cl15/16 will be nice)
https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164191
Example possible nice drive if you have any need for more/faster storage
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R6V31K8
Example of one of the b560 boards we were talking about:
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157977
hollow thorn
@tired furnace of course, and also, if the budget starts getting tight, a i5 10400 will work as a good CPU too. Asus prime b560 should also work as a mobo.
rancid spear
Hi all, I have a question. My asus z170-a motherboard died and Asus wont repair it. I see a large range of prices of z170-a motherboards on the newegg site.. are they all technically the same board, just different levels of build quality and component? Thanks!
elfin warren
Anything you find will be refurbished or used. That is a really old chipset. What kind of prices are you talking about?
rancid spear
rocky beacon
That MSI is not the right price and that ASRock one is overpriced
You should be able to get a good Z170 board on ebay for like $60-$90
elfin warren
Well, the stuff isn't available anymore new so prices are going to vary wildly
Highly recommend upgrading if you're going to spend money
rocky beacon
I got a really good Z170 board for $70 awhile back
rancid spear
wow! ok. thats much more in my price rance. I honestly dont know very much abount peripheral compatibility. my processor is the i7 6700k and i have 2 gtx 1080 cards. would you be able to point me in the right direction for a compatible motherboard that would be better?
tired furnace
@hollow thorn what are the considerations for 10400 vs 10600k? I do some gaming but not as much as I used to... mostly normal business use. I don't mind spending the extra $75 or whatever for 10600k if it's worth it, I don't plan to upgrade again for 5+ years.
rancid spear
(and what would upgrading it mean? I imagine I wouldnt get many advantages if none of the other components would change?)
tired furnace
I also wouldn't mind saving the $75 if it's not worth it
rocky beacon
Upgrading your CPU would give huge performance boosts
rancid spear
ok thanks!
atomic fiber
guys did you know that amd has usb issue with 500 series motherboards?
elfin warren
Yes
limber dragon
because its rare
atomic fiber
hardware or...
limber dragon
and you can generally fix it with voltages
elfin warren
because it's pretty much a non-issue for the very vast majority of people
atomic fiber
can it be fixed with an update?
full flame
From what I understand AMD is currently looking into the issue
limber dragon
its mobos not giving the right soc voltage for the cpu when someone just enables xmp 90+% of the time
hollow thorn
@tired furnace basically, it's overclocking vs no overclocking, 10600k is unlocked, allowing for overclocking, and with a higher base and boost frequency. That higher base and boost leads to decently better single and multi-core performance. Comparison here, single thread performance is what matters most for gaming:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-10600K-vs-Intel-i5-10400/3735vs3737
So if you don't care about overclocking, and is only a casual gamer, 10400 will do fine.
elfin warren
Also need Z board to OC CPU
hollow thorn
@elfin warren oh damn right, forgot b didn't support cpu oc
elfin warren
Absolutely
hollow thorn
Small thing to note then
magic cedar
b560 cheap
tired furnace
ok I bought the 10600k anyway
hollow thorn
Yea, it's still decently better than 10400
hollow thorn
Ehhh, I don't trust them after p-gm xD
But are they bundling 10th gen with 5xx boards?
elfin warren
Check the bundles lol. 10600k with an Asus prime Z490 for $375
Yes, there are 5xx boards in there
tired furnace
Moot for me at this point, I already ordered. I got the 10600k with ASUS prime b560-plus and some other hardware like you recommended. I appreciate all the help today. It will give some piece of mind and hopefully last me quite a few more years.
elfin warren
that'll be really nice
hollow thorn
@elfin warren Generally I slap all Intel boards into one category because it feels like they don't have anything special lel
All decent VRMs, no need for flashback
tired furnace
I'm a civil engineer and who knows maybe I'll end up using it more for that type of work eventually too
elfin warren
They don't but I didn't feel like min-max shopping
Click and done, already had the ram lol
hollow thorn
I am the min max guy for estimating value lel
elfin warren
Like, clicked buy bundle, grabbed the SSE224 and done
hollow thorn
It's so I don't have to keep up with all the prices
elfin warren
IDK
long geyser
pretty sure Asus has some nice voltage features on z490, making them quite nice for OCing
elfin warren
I'll know more this evening when I start poking around after building. 
5 ghz coming right up!
I've been happy with my X570 Asus board and know the BIOS well, so I prefer Asus at this point
nova hornet
also a fan of asus boards for the same reasons lol
naive pendant
asus prime z490 better than aorus elite z490?
Gigabyte is stinky
@naive pendant you suck
naive pendant
do you guys think the crosshair 8 is worth it if i have a 2500 dollar budget?
elfin warren
Only if you plan to OC heavily
Otherwise a $200-250 motherboard will work just fine
Even with a mild overclock
naive pendant
ok thanks
wait, whats the difference between a rog b550a and an b550 aorus elite v2, (idk which one to get bc ppl are saying aorus elite but i like the rog's aesthetics)
Get whatever you like
omg gigabyte fanboy says that? ty bro
I mean the Aorus is the better one
But if you like rog get ROG
no its not rog specifically its the mobo
bc its not gonna make that much of a difference right
pale mist
Hi i have a very annoying problem flashing a msi mpg b550
On a 5600x, everything else normal testbench stuff
pale mist
So I followed the manual to a t, fat32 and msi.rom
And the button is solid forever and not flashing
elfin warren
isn't there a renaming tool for those?
pale mist
Argh this cooler is so annoying
hollow thorn
Eh, if it's flashback and not working, unplug EVERYTHING except for 24pin and 8pin eps
grizzled bloom
Yep sometimes they're picky and need even the CPU and RAM removed
limber dragon
on my unify-x, it works by just leaving the rom name alone
pull the file that's not the text file, throw it on a usb
hollow thorn
Does it? It was being picky on my b450 gaming pro carbon ac
pale mist
I know this needs a flash bc windows is not happy
hollow thorn
Had to rename from the 7afuaehgohgsoifoisfhaisd to MSI.ROM
pale mist
Will get to bios but windows immediately goes odd
At first assumption I thought it was a intel/amd driver issue bc i almost never work w amd cpu
But it almost def needs a flash
limber dragon
does your current bios support the cpu you're using?
generally if there's any bios issue, it wont post
hollow thorn
though later bios versions does generally have bug fixes
elfin warren
If WHEA errors, bad cpu most likely
5600x has been TERRIBLE for that
I think I've seen at least a dozen here
hollow thorn
sadly
limber dragon
I've figured out how to solve all whea issues /s
set whea multiplier in hwinfo to 0 
hollow thorn
uhh
hollow thorn
wait for it
I can't remember what exactly it does during flashing
mostly because I just press the button and go back in like half an hour to a flashed pc but
hollow thorn
?
pale mist
It did for me
hollow thorn
turn on for a sec?
pale mist
For me it goes flashing, usb activity, everything lights up for a sec and then solid
No usb activity
hollow thorn
I don't have an usb activity light so I dunno
pale mist
Ugh
Guess i will just leave it overnight and then maybe rma it
My aio is in a rlly bad position rn but oh well
lavish aspen
Just picked me up one of these it’s a good MOBO for the price it supports DDR4 3600 ram speeds get it quick if u want it
rocky beacon
Most motherboards support 3600MHz, it ain't anything special.
lavish aspen
Ik
But it’s good for da price
Especially if ur not able to get eithernet and there is a good amount of ports
rocky beacon
What?
lavish aspen
Nvm
manic hull
Crucial 3600 CL16 2x8gb is usually the go to.
grizzled bloom
G Skill is pretty decent too
marble knot
marble knot
@elfin warren y does it say ur idle but ur not?
elfin warren
Because that's what I have it set to
marble knot
oh
tulip verge
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2TFKHx/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-36...
lol i was looking at this one but didnt know if this one was good
mild jackal
You'll get slightly more performance out of 2x16 vs 2x8 at the same specs
coarse gate
which one is better for gaming ryzen 9 3900x or intel i9 9900k
runic vigil
Intel, although AMD is catching up.
Intel is best for gaming, AMD is best for productivity.
grizzled bloom
On those last gen chips it's Intel
Current gen it's neck and neck
We'll see what Intel's response is for the 11 series soon, about a month until release if leaks are to be believed
void jolt
Intel is best for gaming, AMD is best for productivity.
Depends on the price point
runic vigil
Lookin' at the overall picture.
void jolt
I wouldn’t buy last Gen anyways unless you have to
Get a
5800x or 5900x
Or 10850k or 10900k
Or something
runic vigil
Is it due to the cache?
void jolt
No
Just raw performance
Cache rarely matters enough to talk about it in comparison these days
runic vigil
So the 5600x, which reportedly has 3.7 base speed and 4.6 boost speed, performs the same or better than the 9900k, with the reported 3.6 base speed and 5.0 boost speed?
If cache isn't factor---and I just threw that out there as a long shot---, and core/thread isn't a factor, and base/turbo speed isn't a factor...then what IS?
naive pendant
Or 10850k or 10900k
10850k is 350$
would rather buy that than 5600x
Intel > AMD budget
AMD > intel high end
11th gen might change it
naive pendant
If cache isn't factor---and I just threw that out there as a long shot---, and c...
wot
void jolt
$350 right now, but yeah I agree
naive pendant
Probably gonna stay that way with 11th gen coming out
9900k is still 299
been that way for hella long
grizzled bloom
Instructions Per Clock is way higher on Zen 3 (5000 series)
void jolt
If cache isn't factor---and I just threw that out there as a long shot---, and c...
Core/thread and base/turbo speed are factors, they are clumped together into the ‘raw potential’ category along with everything else. Cache is just the one thing that you don’t really need to pay much attention to right now.
runic vigil
Like I said, a long shot.
It wasn't you said it, because Fal'Cie suggest the 5600x is on par or better than the 9900k.
naive pendant
Like I said, a long shot.
14++ whatever vs 7nm
Less heat production
9900k is older
grizzled bloom
The only time a 9900K would be better than a 5600X is in tasks that require as many threads as you can get such as media production
runic vigil
So it's the lithography (or Semiconductor).
grizzled bloom
That's one factor
naive pendant
the only thing it helps is more transistors
heat to a certain extent depending on tdp
grizzled bloom
The fact is that AMD boosted the IPC so even though it's a slightly lower clock speed it's able to do more in each clock cycle, which more than makes up for that
runic vigil
And I'm guessin' TDP isn't also a factor in performance?
runic vigil
That seems flexible.
grizzled bloom
TDP refers to the amount of heat it produces in a normal load, it's not a measure of power usage or performance
runic vigil
Making sure.
runic vigil
So the semiconductor is a silent spec that can make a CPU go a long way?
void jolt
Yes
grizzled bloom
That's mostly a relic of the old days when you could reliably guess how much power it used based on heat
void jolt
More or less
runic vigil
So the smaller the semiconductor, the better?
void jolt
Mostly
grizzled bloom
In general yes
naive pendant
3990x
void jolt
Intel has come a long way in 14nm but they are reaching their limit
grizzled bloom
Next Intel is supposed to be 10nm
naive pendant
Next Intel is supposed to be 10nm
Pretty sure they bought 3nm production from TSMC too
runic vigil
So in theory, AMD being 7nm for their recent Ryzens makes them perform better compared to the upcoming Intel 10nms?
naive pendant
So in theory, AMD being 7nm for their recent Ryzens makes them perform better co...
u dont understand
grizzled bloom
We don't know about relative performance of the new Intels, we'll have to see about other factors
runic vigil
I clearly don't, Mando.
void jolt
Intel knows how to stretch a semiconductor
runic vigil
All this complicated spec is required research for me.
void jolt
Basically
naive pendant
what intel would greatly benefit off of is integrated graphics
you get way more transistors on a lower nm
void jolt
True
naive pendant
could start slamming AMDs g series cpus
grizzled bloom
Start chipping away at the laptop market if the desktops are a flop like 10 series
void jolt
AMD has Radeon on their side, the second they feel threatened they are going to pour so much R&D into iGPUs
runic vigil
Intel do have a nice backup for int.graphs in case video cards fail.
runic vigil
Will 10nm do?
grizzled bloom
Laptops especially would benefit from smaller process due to less heat
naive pendant
nvidia/amd just have a ton of space so they can put tons and tons of transistors
naive pendant
Laptops especially would benefit from smaller process due to less heat
would be better for miners like me too kek
runic vigil
So the hotter the CPU, the less stable it performance, so the Ryzen's smaller semiconductor helps to keep itself stable under load as it generates less heat?
naive pendant
No
runic vigil
No?
naive pendant
to not be stable it would have to be thermal throttling
which is 90c+
you have to have garbage cooler
to get that
runic vigil
So the size of the semiconductor doesn't matter?
grizzled bloom
It matters to a point in reference to heat but a good cooler mitigates that
runic vigil
And a larger semi would make it hotter, right?
grizzled bloom
Typically yes, that's a factor in heat
runic vigil
So a smaller semi would make it acceptable even for a garbage cooler.
grizzled bloom
Which is part of why those old i7 processors use more power and generate more heat than newer ones
limber dragon
you have to have garbage cooler
you dont need a garbage cooler to hit 90c, you just have to enable pbo
naive pendant
you dont need a garbage cooler to hit 90c, you just have to enable pbo
kek
runic vigil
I DID reach 82c when enabling Precision Boost Override.
grizzled bloom
I beg to differ I have PBO advanced on and I hardly hit 80c, it just removes heat as a factor in throttling to a higher limit
naive pendant
Just depends on what voltage the silicon requires to hit the max speed it can get
when you have a good enough cooler it can just eat it
runic vigil
If both the 5600x and the 9900k have the same quality cooler, the latter with its core/thread count and higher boost speed would make it the best performer? Or would the smaller semi on the former make it perform better without fear of throttling?
limber dragon
pbo2 with no limits will target 90-95c
grizzled bloom
The 5600X would be allowed to boost for longer due to generating less heat, all things being equal otherwise
runic vigil
So it's about endurance.
limber dragon
it generates less heat but gets just as hot
runic vigil
That sounds like a contradiction.
limber dragon
you're just thinking about it wrong
runic vigil
That's been the topic so far.
limber dragon
put 500w into a cpu that's 30cmx30cm vs 500w into an engine block
runic vigil
Now you lost me.
grizzled bloom
Eh, sort of
Heat is the byproduct of the mechanical work, the "waste" if you will
runic vigil
Heat Density, I'm gonna steal that name.
limber dragon
Eh, sort of
Heat is the byproduct of the mechanical work, the "waste" if you wil...
or ya know, electrical work, like what silicon does
grizzled bloom
Same concept
naive pendant
put 500w into a cpu that's 30cmx30cm vs 500w into an engine block
Pffttt just make your radiator n IHS diamond
grizzled bloom
In the car? 🤣
runic vigil
In other words, an Intel chip will perform peak greatness while an AMD chip will perform consistently great.
grizzled bloom
That's one way to think of it in context of what we've discussed
runic vigil
Which goes well with the idea that AMC chips are exceptional for work productivity.
runic vigil
But if the chips match the same core/thread count?
naive pendant
Meh
grizzled bloom
Yeah AMD has been going all in with core count
naive pendant
For 5600x pricing productivity wise 10850k is a better option
grizzled bloom
We'll have to see for 11th gen vs Zen 4 or whatever
naive pendant
We'll have to see for 11th gen vs Zen 4 or whatever
zen 4 gon be a long time
AM5 and ddr5
queen karma
Hi all, im thinking about doing a major upgrade to my pc (Built in 2010). What motherboard do you guys recommend? (Budget for a MB is around $225)
grizzled bloom
Not really, should be later this year tbh
queen karma
Its an intel build also
runic vigil
Z570, right?
grizzled bloom
DDR5 is already a standard, they just need the socket
grizzled bloom
Producing is one thing, it's a physical standard that's actually been set for years
Official launch of DDR5 is July of last year
But the spec has been around before that
(Much like PCI spec)
runic vigil
The 12-count 5900x is $549, right?
grizzled bloom
MSRP yeah
naive pendant
The 12-count 5900x is $549, right?
350$ 10850k is better value imo unless you absolutely need the extra perf
runic vigil
Not my point, Mando.
naive pendant
so state ur point 
runic vigil
Don't egg me.
The 10850k is basically the 10900k with a smaller speed count, and the 10900k normally goes for $500?
grizzled bloom
Before Intel discounted their processors yes
naive pendant
The 10850k is basically the 10900k with a smaller speed count, and the 10900k no...
10850k is in less demand
runic vigil
And the next-gen Intel i9 would likely be as costly, or more expensive, right?
naive pendant
for whatever reason
and its only microcenter where its 350
its "on sale"
Even though they did exact same thing for 9900k and its been "on sale" for like a year now
grizzled bloom
Intel discounted their chips to try to get back market share, retailers passed that down to us
runic vigil
Hope that's working out for them.
Ideally, I would like to think in the future, AMD would be in the position to put the 5900x on sale. Which would make it a more valuable chip to acquire, with the specs it's providing.
naive pendant
lowest i've been seeing 10850k on other retailers on sale is like 389
errant scarab
I just received my new i5-10600k but no cooler. Any suggestions for a cooler?
void jolt
Dark Rock Pro 4
If you have clearance
And the money
If not, a Gammaxx 400 works just fine
pliant cypress
vetroo v5
mild jackal
u12a
pale mist
Ooh id
ruby laurel
keeping my 10600K a chilly 26C at idle lol
since when did u have 10600k lol
is for wife?
elfin warren
Ye
green bough
@glad socket I want a refund for a faulty processor
green bough
they dont respond to my emails
elfin warren
Then DM them.
grizzled bloom
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B088D9Z6DM?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
Honest thoughts on this one guys, seriously considering this set. It's apparently got a XMP profile for 4000 C18 as well. The RGB is supposed to play nice with MSI, Asus, and Gigabyte software/boards.
ruby laurel
wow looks good for 4133
grizzled bloom
Plus one of the cheapest fast sets on pcpartpicker right now including that $10 coupon from amazon
livid sparrow
Oh that does look really nice, too bad I am not in the market for ram
opal olive
guys
question
i got an asus tuf b450m plus gaming mobo and im getting a 3600 mhz speed ram, will 3600 mhz work coz it says that the max is 3200 [oc]
grizzled bloom
It'll be fine. If you've got at least a 3000 series processor you won't even need to tweak it much.
opal olive
ye i got the 3800X
grizzled bloom
Perfect 1800 fclk shouldn't be a problem on that so you should just be able to enable xmp (docp in asus) and call it good
opal olive
oki oki thx
naive pendant
hehe
glossy dust
msi h410m pro or b460m pro?
naive pendant
idk sorry
glossy dust
U can just ignore if u can't tbh
naive pendant
yes i could lol but if someone respond idk it seems less like no one is seing ur message and nobody cares
tbh
glossy dust
fine if it doesn't tbh
hollow thorn
@glossy dust try to get b560, b560 pro4 is 110$, and has unlocked memory
glossy dust
Wait wut
So 10th gen cpu gonna have unlocked memory?
Woah
Aight imma watch some vids bout those later
After i finish this physics quiz
rapid widget
what
azure sage
somber thorn
Anyone know where i can find a decent price range of a amd ryzen 5 3600xt
hollow thorn
Why
@somber thorn 3600xt as a chip to buy doesn't make much if any sense, since launch to now, it's usually 50+ above 3600 pricing for little gain, and now 10600k slaps it around with b560 boards being avaliable
somber thorn
Because im ballin on a budget and im new to pc gaming so everything you just said doesnt make sense to me lmao @hollow thorn
hollow thorn
Basically, screw 3600xt, intel is where it's at for low end atm
elfin warren
10600k slap that into next week
somber thorn
Plus i traded an ar 22 for over $1k in pc parts mainly for am4 socket
elfin warren
None of the XT processors are worth the money for the little gain
somber thorn
@hollow thorn
hollow thorn
So do you already have an am4 board or..?
somber thorn
Ill dm you
carmine lynx
are 5th gen ryzens and 3080s still selling out super quickly
eager shore
yep
livid sparrow
I only got a 3600xt 'cause I managed to get one for about $10 more than a 3600, I'd only recommend a 3600 if you already have an AM4 board and don't want to wait until the 5000 series cpus get to MSRP or close to it
void jolt
what do yall think of that TUF B550 mATX board? It's $30 off rn and I want to get it.
hollow thorn
@void jolt link
void jolt
one sec
hollow thorn
Very vague words
hollow thorn
It's open box
elfin warren
No cables or manuals
Most of the time with open box
Might not have an IO shield either
Just plan on no accessories
void jolt
I/O shield doesnt matter too much
elfin warren
Right, just letting you know
void jolt
AFAIK their house isnt too statitcy as it is
elfin warren
The other thing to consider
void jolt
and static doesnt do too much damage anyways
elfin warren
M.2 screws
void jolt
true
elfin warren
and standoffs might not be in there
void jolt
actually
I bought a whole thing of M.2 screws because I was missing one at one point
so I have plenty
elfin warren
Mobos come with those and SATA cables usually so if you need those plan on getting them separately
hollow thorn
Point is, there's a reason why it's "30$ off"
elfin warren
What about the M.2 standoffs though?
void jolt
yeah I see now
elfin warren
Need those as well
void jolt
wdym by standoff? you only need one screw for an M.2, no?
hollow thorn
Like I'd personally grab a b550m aorus-p that was 130$ msrp
@void jolt you know what you screw the screw into
elfin warren
M.2 has standoff like motherboard standoff
void jolt
oh
elfin warren
Little peg the screw goes into
SOmetimes they're on the board already, sometimes not
void jolt
Ive never had to use one of those
hollow thorn
Because usually pre-installed, not always
void jolt
always been on my board already, and the same looks like it for this board as well
void jolt
all im going to put in here is a single M.2, a 3070 or something like that, a 3600, and a 212 that I have lying around, with 16 gigs of CL18 3600mhz RAM I also have lying around
elfin warren
That'll be fine, just be aware if you get an open box Mobo it may be missing things
void jolt
nothing that I need, I dont think
hollow thorn
Bend
elfin warren
The pictures do seem to show them preinstalled but might not be an accurate representation
void jolt
im most worried about screwing it into the case
void jolt
Just not a great value proposition imo
what do you recommend then
I mentioned this one specifically because I like Asus TUF boards and it was cheap
compared to usually
void jolt
no
ATX or mATX
im guessing you arent going to list an ITX because those are expensive
elfin warren
ITX needs a different case
hollow thorn
This is an absolutely godly board for the price rn
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-phantom-gaming-b550-pg-velocita/p/N82E16813157934
void jolt
This is an absolutely godly board for the price rn
https://www.newegg.com/asrock...
oh my
hollow thorn
@elfin warren take a look, 130$ for a great board that HAS A DAMN POST CODE
void jolt
no kidding
elfin warren
I know but
hollow thorn
It used to be 200$
elfin warren
I HATE Asrock BIOS with a passion
elfin warren
Not disagreeing
void jolt
I just need to use bios to set an XMP profile, no OCing going to be done
elfin warren
Their BIOS is just.....weird
hollow thorn
I'm definitely keeping that board in mind when suggesting Zen 3 in the near future
Oh no I don't think it has flashback
hollow thorn
Responding to myself
pliant cypress
its fine at $130 though, right?
elfin warren
Yes, for 3000 series
With no flashback, no way to update BIOS for 5000 series without another CPU
elfin warren
I like those
oak aurora
It uses polychrome
naive pendant
how is Asrock's RGB software?
I think aura is ASUS
void jolt
It uses polychrome
gotcha
void jolt
I think aura is ASUS
i know
naive pendant
I use
void jolt
some other companies use Aura or Fusion or iCue as well
void jolt
it uses polychrome
naive pendant
polychrome
gentle acorn
Is there any idea of when 11th Gen Intel CPUs will be revealed?
elfin warren
March
gentle acorn
Alright
I don’t really plan to buy a new CPU till the end of the year anyways so wanted to look into them and see how they compare to the latest Gen for AMD
elfin warren
DDR5? yes
elfin warren
Yeah, best to start looking again when you have the money/time for it
Things change a LOT in a year
gentle acorn
Yeah
I have no money for it atm just was looking as I’m saving up for a 5600x atm but am open to 11th Gen Intel or AM5 depending on cost and how close to performance it is and how much money I have at the time
elfin warren
Set a budget. When you have your budget saved, pop on in here and we'll make you the best PC for your money with what's available
gentle acorn
Alright thanks
All I’d be looking for is RAM though I plan to keep the GPU for a while
And motherboard too ofc
elfin warren
What MB is it?
gentle acorn
I currently have a MSI Z390 -A PRO so going to need a new one no matter what I go with
elfin warren
Yep
harsh grotto
I dont have any rgb in my build but apparently my mobo has rgb, are there any cables I will need to connect to make the rgb work?
harsh grotto
asus rog strix b550f gaming WiFi
harsh grotto
ok thank you
naive pendant
Download Asus Aura Software
Don't ever say that again
stupid malware that doesn't let you uninstall
iCUE if u want control
kek
i still have to close armoury crate in task manager because it lowers my hashrate and won't uninstall 😡
naive pendant
They do though
gentle acorn
iCUE is Corsair though
naive pendant
you can control asus products in iCUE
naive pendant
iCUE is Corsair though
Yeah but you can control asus products in iCUE
gentle acorn
Alright
naive pendant
same with 3080/3090 FE LEDs
true fiber
so every time i boot my computer it says settings have changed in the bios when nothing has changed
any ideas
grizzled bloom
CMOS battery is dead
They're cheap, grab a CR2032 from your favorite store and swap that out with the old one on your motheroard
void jolt
you can get a standard sized button battery at pretty much any gas station
true fiber
its never the same thing though. One time itll be just the M.2
next time it will be cmos failed
so Battery then?
grizzled bloom
Yes battery
true fiber
K easy enough of a fix
I will try it and report back later on if it fixes or not
How often do they normally need fixed
changed
grizzled bloom
Roughly 3 years, sometimes more sometimes less
true fiber
I mean its only 6 months old
grizzled bloom
Bad battery then, it happens
toxic galleon
you can get a standard sized button battery at pretty much any gas station
im sorry ik im annoying lol, but i gotta just make sure because im buying my PC like soon, so i gotta make sure, i wanted to ask whats better Asus Rog Strix B550-E or ASUS Rog Strix B550-F
elfin warren
If you need ARGB, go E
elfin warren
So, there's a difference
aRGB is 3 pin 5 volt
RGB is 4 pin 12 volt
not compatible
So if your devices are 5 volt aRGB, get the E board. The F board doesn't have aRGB
toxic galleon
So if your devices are 5 volt aRGB, get the E board. The F board doesn't have a...
i mean i want to be able to change the RGB of the motherboard through the Asus application
elfin warren
Right, BOTH can do that
But the actual RGB connections and devices are either aRGB or RGB
F doesn't have any aRGB connectors
SO if your cooler or fans are aRGB, you'll need a separate controller
void jolt
im sorry ik im annoying lol, but i gotta just make sure because im buying my PC ...
both basically the same board
toxic galleon
both basically the same board
alright
void jolt
vintage explained whats different
toxic galleon
SO if your cooler or fans are aRGB, you'll need a separate controller
ok but like something like the Corsair H150i pro XT and the LL120 fans, and the rgb on the Ram sticks for example, cant i just change them through their own application, like i download the corsair application to change their rgb, idk if there is a G.skill application but if there is, cant i just do it? im really sorry its just i dont really understand what you mean
elfin warren
Ram, yes.
For external devices, need to see if it's aRGB or RGB
There's a physical connection AND voltage difference for RGB and aRGB. Two different things
elfin warren
If you get the hub
toxic galleon
There's a physical connection AND voltage difference for RGB and aRGB. Two diff...
i mean, like i want to change the color of the AIO pump, and the LL120 fans, and the LL120 3 fan pack comes with the lightnode pro so cant i just change them through the software?
i will be getting 3x 3 fan packs, i will have 3 lighting node's
nova hornet
you might have to get creative if you're gonna actually connect 9 fans
toxic galleon
you might have to get creative if you're gonna actually connect 9 fans
wdym?
nova hornet
the hubs have 6 ports
nova hornet
potentially, I'm not sure how that'd actually work
toxic galleon
like ill have 2 light node pro's, and in lighting node 1 ill have 6 fans connected, and in light node 2 ill have 3 fans connected
nova hornet
whether you'd need two connected or could somehow daisy chain/use splitters
toxic galleon
potentially, I'm not sure how that'd actually work
i meant like ill need 2 lighting node pro's not the fans
toxic galleon
If you get the hub
listen so what i mean is, ik your annoyed from me its just i dont know any of this stuff so thats why im asking alot, but thing is there will be only 4 things that will contain RGB, the Motherboard itself which will have rgb, i want to control the RGB on that Motherboard through the ASUS app, and the Ram Sticks i want to control the RGB through the G.SKILL software, i want to control the AIO Cooler RGB pump through the Corsair App, and same as the fans, so im asking which Motherboard should i choose then?
elfin warren
I'm not annoyed, Slappy was answering so I stepped out
elfin warren
If someone else is answering, no need for me to interfere
toxic galleon
If someone else is answering, no need for me to interfere
so cant any of this be possible in both Motherboards?
nova hornet
managing corsair hardware for the first time is kind of a headache, I would tell you to go to the corsair discord but it's kinda worse than this one
elfin warren
It'll be fine, just follow the installation instructions to a T
nova hornet
if you're lucky icue will recognize and be able to control all your other rgb stuff though
grizzled bloom
OpenRGB, one place and done
nova hornet
I can control the lighting on my asus motherboard through icue
devout mothBOT
Vokon#9467 has been warned
toxic galleon
what?
toxic galleon
if you're lucky icue will recognize and be able to control all your other rgb st...
i meant cant i do that? connect all 9 fans to the lighting node pro's and just control the rgb through the corsair software?
elfin warren
RGB software is finicky
toxic galleon
RGB software is finicky
icue?
elfin warren
Nothing more or less. One boot works fine, the next maybe not lol
grizzled bloom
All of them are finicky tbh, nature of the beast
toxic galleon
but the G.Skill software is the easiest one tho right?
elfin warren
Yes
nova hornet
you might need one lighting node pro and two rgb hubs to get all 9 fans on but yeah that should work I think
toxic galleon
you might need one lighting node pro and two rgb hubs to get all 9 fans on but y...
wait, i thought i only needed 2 lighting node pro's
nova hornet
the lighting node pro has two channels
you can connect an rgb hub to each
I have them, I can show you a pic real quick
toxic galleon
alright
nova hornet
top right is lighting node pro, it has two channels for rgb connection
bottom left is rgb hub for corsair fans, connected to one of the channels
I believe you can connect two hubs to one lighting node and connect all your fan rgb that way
toxic galleon
oohhh, so your telling me i can get 2 RGB Hub's and connect all the fans to them the 9 fans like the first one will take 6 fans second will only take 3, and then connect both those 2 RGB Hub's to the 1 Lighting node pro?
nova hornet
yeah, exactly
toxic galleon
its that easy?
nova hornet
I don't see why not. This is just for the RGB though
toxic galleon
yeah ik
if i wanted to change the speed of the fans i would need a commander pro
correct?
or i can do that through the hub?
nova hornet
oops I had a misconception about this aio model, I thought it'd come with the hub
toxic galleon
oops I had a misconception about this aio model, I thought it'd come with the hu...
rgb hub?
toxic galleon
commander core
wait so im watching a video rn, but he showed me how to connect the rgb, but idk how to power the fans
graceful elm
32 gigs of ram, only 25 available on startup 😳
livid sparrow
I've got one, though I have no idea what to use half of the plugs in it for, just the fans and the rgb
nova hornet
yeah you'll need a fan hub of some kind
toxic galleon
yeah you'll need a fan hub of some kind
wait, i need something else other than the RGB hub and the lightnode pro?
nova hornet
well your fans need to actually connect to your computer to spin
grizzled bloom
32 gigs of ram, only 25 available on startup 😳
Reseat the memory?
nova hornet
RGB connection does not power the fans
toxic galleon
RGB connection does not power the fans
ik so how do i connect them to my computer?
nova hornet
livid sparrow
^
toxic galleon
do you know where do i buy that fan hub?
grizzled bloom
"Available" means able to be allocated, not currently in use
graceful elm
yeah
toxic galleon
would the Commander pro be the easiest way to do all of this?
nova hornet
probably
hollow thorn
Windows itself usually uses ~4gb of ram so
graceful elm
yeah
hollow thorn
Add some background processes, 5gb idle usage makes sense
graceful elm
right
nova hornet
it has 6 fan ports on its own, I'm not 100% sure how to get 9 connected reliably
grizzled bloom
I use more than that with Firefox open
graceful elm
one of my ram sticks is pushed over due to the cpu cooler
grizzled bloom
Well if it works and it's stable when you test it...
graceful elm
why
graceful elm
too late for that, broke now
spent last of money on 2 more sticks of ram
until later today that is
but if i got a different cooler id have to get a noctua because thats the next best thing
but those are expensive
livid sparrow
it has 6 fan ports on its own, I'm not 100% sure how to get 9 connected reliably
Pretty sure you can use a 2 to 1 fan cables, I think those usually work well, they have for any of the fans I've used at least
nova hornet
true, but corsair uses weird connectors sometimes
livid sparrow
Yeah, but fan connectors are fan connectors, I am using some cooler master fans in one and a fractal design fan
nova hornet
locking standard for fan connectors that isn't proprietary but nobody else uses
elfin warren
but if i got a different cooler id have to get a noctua because thats the next b...
For a 5800x? nah
nova hornet
wait I'm dumb, I just double checked my ML fans and the locking connectors are only for RGB
graceful elm
im using the fuma 2
supposed to have room for ram but that first slot is blocked by like 4 mm
livid sparrow
The rgb connectors are a weird type, but the fan connectors are the standard
elfin warren
Still, 5800x has peak power of 112W
graceful elm
not even that
elfin warren
That's wrose case AVX workload
grizzled bloom
Really? My 5800X has peaked at 145 at stock settings
elfin warren
PBO and other things on?
graceful elm
elfin warren
Plug and play should be ~115W with no adjustments
grizzled bloom
My board defaults to PBO on so that's stock for me lol
elfin warren
Ah