#cpus-mobo-and-memory

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naive pendant
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DANG

elfin warren
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On the wifi built into my X570 motherboard

naive pendant
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My friends internet is the the kilobytes

elfin warren
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Oh, that's not internet

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That's internal network

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I'm only 300 mbps internet

naive pendant
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LOL “only 300”

elfin warren
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I mean

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My last house 3 years ago was 7

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so

naive pendant
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I’m at my friends house and we’re trying to get games installed on his pc and it’s going at about 800 kilos a second

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Taking FOREVER

elfin warren
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OML

naive pendant
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Ikr

naive pendant
# elfin warren OML

And we’re trying to get WARZONE and Star Wars downloaded is the bad part

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The time estimate is like 2 days

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Now we’re looking at sub 500 kilobytes a second

magic cedar
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Just wait 2 days lol

celest ginkgo
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Whats up yall. I need some guidance. I have a i7 9700f on a Gigabyte B365M Ds3H WiFi board. Air cooled. And im noticing that under really no load is the only time my cpu is running at 4.5, As soon as i open up cinebench and start a multi-core run the clock drops to 3.5 or so SOLID and the usage shoots straight up to 100. Temps arent realy an issue as it sits at about 59-60 under load steady.

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Or so i think, I dont have any form of heatsink on the VRMs so idk if thats causing the issue i havent really changed to much in the bios as i dont know where to single out the issue and all windows power settings are set correctly

compact sun
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anyone in here help me get my asus crosshair hero viii to see my xpg spectrix d60g memory at the right speed?

elfin warren
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DOCP

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In the BIOS

compact sun
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it wont see anything other than 2666

naive pendant
elfin warren
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No

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AMD"s version of XMP

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Then BIOS update SPidy

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If you aren't on the latest one

naive pendant
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Oh

compact sun
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is the latest one

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that be under the extreme tweaking tab?

elfin warren
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The one they just released on Christmas?

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Two days ago?

ruby laurel
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I AM THE EXCEPTION Umaru_evil_FB

elfin warren
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Me too, X570 all the things

ruby laurel
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tfw my 4 nvme slots arent enough

compact sun
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last update i see for 2020/12/07 versopm 3003 and thats whats on it

elfin warren
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Ah, there's a BETA version showing for me

magic cedar
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Im happy with 2

ruby laurel
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all full of 2tb drives

magic cedar
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And im only using 1

compact sun
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well guess ill try that....probably blow up my system.... only thing be left is my reboks......and $20....just like bootsy....!

magic cedar
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Go buy some 8tb nvme ssds lol

elfin warren
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AI OverClock Tuner for DOCP

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Change AI Overclock Tuner to AUTO

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Change memory freq to your ram freq

compact sun
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ok ill try that after i dl this beta....asus told me not to dl it....lol

elfin warren
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Eh

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I didn't realize it was a BETA

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So, I'd pass on that one

compact sun
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maybe they will work out the kinks and put out the reg one in a few days....

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im just gonna return the memory

elfin warren
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Mmm, check the BIOS again

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What RAM?

compact sun
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ya, let me get on discord in my laptop and ill reboot this one

elfin warren
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I'm leaving in about 20 minutes to see fam so....if I don't reply, that's why

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But DOCP should see it

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If it's good name brand stuff, BIOS should see it and be able to clock it

compact sun
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Its that

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every time i try to dl the lighting control from adata, it fails....

elfin warren
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Hmmmm

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Adata ram

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I'd return, get Crucial or G Skill

compact sun
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i cant find one in that pricerange that is on the "asus approved list"

elfin warren
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What price range?

compact sun
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paid $300 for 2 8g sticks, they are gonna charge me a $60 restock fee...

elfin warren
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Oof

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I'd try the BIOS settings a bit more then

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And honestly, that ram is overkill for an AMD system. 3600 C16 or 3200 C14 is the sweet spot

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If you make the ram faster, you have to desync with the FCLK which makes things actually slower

compact sun
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i stole some corsair 3600 from my other system and put that in it for now

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🙂

elfin warren
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Ye

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DOCP worked?

compact sun
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on that one, yes

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think i got bad memory.....only thing that really makes any since

elfin warren
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Might have, although ADATA isn't the best memory

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Gskill, Crucial, Corsair, etc

compact sun
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ya their cust service sucks 🙂

ruby laurel
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adata is ass

pale fiber
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Had read some promising reviews on the Silicon Power stuff I ordered, hope it turns out okay. Only did 2x16GB of 3200 CL16. Not pushing any envelopes.

ruby laurel
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yeah ive heard good things about SP in general

compact sun
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now i got to try to figure out how to change the light color on my radeon 5700 xt video card....not seeing it anywhere in the Adrenalin ap

ruby laurel
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amd gpu 🤮

compact sun
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runs a lil better than my 1080 seahawk 🙂

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bought everything back in july, just never put it together till this week 😄

pale fiber
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hey at least you bought it when things were available.

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I bought my parts over the last month and now I can't find a GPU without sacrificing my first born to pay for it.

ruby laurel
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lol

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igpu time

compact sun
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ya, its trumps fault!

deft inlet
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GIGABYTE B550 AORUS ELITE V2 or GIGABYTE B550 AORUS ELITE AX

hollow thorn
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Aorus elite ax

compact sun
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what memory would ya recommend for that board with a ryzen 7 3950?

hollow thorn
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v2 made VRMs worse by getting rid of the doubler iirc

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3600c16 for 3950x is nice

compact sun
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and i cant seem to find a 1000w corsair rgb power supply....

hollow thorn
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No don't

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@compact sun there is the cx-f 850w

compact sun
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corsair?

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was looking for something to use with the icue software

hollow thorn
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Yea

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Cx-f is their rgb psu @compact sun

compact sun
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ok dont think 850 is gonna be enough

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thanks for the help 🙂

hollow thorn
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Aw alright

grand knot
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my pc is detecting both sticks of ram and running them at advertised speeds but the dram light is on my pc works perfectly fine and runs well

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i also have dummy sticks with only rgb no ram from corsair

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could that be why?

ruby laurel
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yes

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its like wtf im powering something but its not showing up

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must be bad ram

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if that makes sense @grand knot

oblique pulsar
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Crap i asked for 3600mhz memory and i got 3200mhz sam brand but Would i have to return and get 3600mhz

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I have corsair vengeance rgb pro 3600 cl18 and he got cvrp 3200 cl16

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Should i be fine if i put the cas latency at 18 and oc to 3600?

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(I already have 3600mhz ram on ryzen)

hallow matrix
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I just put together a new PC and I get no display whatsoever instead the DRAM Light is on, My mobo is Tuf x570 gaming plus and my RAM is 2x8 corsair lpx vengeance, Any help or solutionz to my problem?

pale mist
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@elfin warren fixed the problem, someone commented on the PCPP page that had the same board. you have to move the dimms to a2 and b2

near cave
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Question , so are the audio jacks on the back of motherboards rca?

hidden cobalt
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Is there any big difference in chipsets in any given gen? Looking for a board for my i7 3770 and not sure whats different between Z77 H77 and B75

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I just know pcpartpicker says they are compatible without bios updats

pale mist
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@hidden cobalt well on intel it goes Z>B>H

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they bring diffrent things to the table but since it is such an old chipset just get the Z they are similar prices at this point. dont worry, older i7s still pack a punch.

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I can do 60fps gaming on a i7 980x

midnight pollen
humble crescent
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yall think the gigabyte h310m 2 got a support 4th gen intel cpu 🤔

devout mothBOT
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Gin#2002 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

humble crescent
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its doom

near cave
timid stratus
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is this decent ram for my 5600x 3080 build?

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getting 2 sets

hollow thorn
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yes

elfin warren
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nDeed

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If you can find it in stock

timid stratus
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b and h has it

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is that fine to buy it from there?

elfin warren
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Yes

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Good retailer

timid stratus
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do they have retailer warranty?

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or only manufacturers

elfin warren
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That I'm not sure of

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Bought lots of stuff there, never had an issue so......

timid stratus
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ok sounds good

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its on my x570 tuf qvl so i should be fine

ruby laurel
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BH is fine

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shame theyre super racist keeeek

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but theyre fine to buy from and their support is good

timid stratus
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lol they r orthodox tho

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of all types of people to be racist

ruby laurel
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racially segregated bathrooms omegalul

timid stratus
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lol

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oh my

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one probelm

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the ram just isnt in stock anywhere 🙂

elfin warren
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Nope

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The red ones are

timid stratus
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the black ones r

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they say expected restock in 2-4 weeks

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off bnh

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and the red is disgusting

hidden cobalt
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@pale mist thanks for the explanation. I'm using it for a nas build. So I don't need crazy features. But if z is the best then I'll go with that :)

hidden cobalt
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Halllll Yeaaaaaap

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Lol

pale mist
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(she loves storage)

hidden cobalt
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I can tell by the name hahaha. Im slowly falling in love with being a data hoarder

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Got a bunch of files on salvaged hard drives right now trying to get this server going, but it has been rough going

ruby laurel
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what u planning on running?

hidden cobalt
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Was looking at freenas but probably going to test a few different is configs to see what is the easiest for me to manage

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Open to any and all suggestions at this point

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Gotta wait for my second mobo, so got plenty of time to learn

ruby laurel
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dm me with any and all questions

hollow thorn
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It has a built on water block for the cpu and VRMs

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It's not aio

ebon garden
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How is is the i7 9700k??

pale mist
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to be fair cant find anything better new at the price lol

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not the best tho

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still very fast

split copper
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Sure beats an E-450

ebon garden
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Is the i7 9700k better than a ryzen 5 3600? This is my first build.

split copper
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9700K better single thread, 3600 better multithread @ebon garden

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That's usually how it goes with Intel and AMD

neat dew
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Should I save up for a RAM upgrade? I have a Ryzen APU since I normally just play eSports titles. rn I have a 2666mhz 8gb stick should I save up for 2x8gb with 3200mhz?

wind karma
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even one more 2666mhz stick will be a big improvement

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dual channel will give a decent boost to cpu performance

proven lynx
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Dual channel and faster memory will really benefit, could be a 10+ fps increase depending. And with dual channel it'll increase even more

neat dew
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Alright thanks! Well if u want my Processor spec its the Ryzen 5 4650G. For some reason the market share on this is absurdly low

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Well the price is insane anyways

proven lynx
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It's decently better than the 3200G (which is now like $200 again? Something like that) so I guess if you need an APU it works, shame tho

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Check your MOBO's QVL for the best matches for your RAM BTW, may even be able to find a good price on RAM at faster frequency that works

neat dew
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True

charred venture
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yea def get dual channel/faster ram

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will be 100% worth it

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esp in esports titles it'll really help with frame dips

graceful elm
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do cpus undervolt as well?

naive pendant
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b450 chipsets with a updated bios can run the new amd cpus right?

naive pendant
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Some do some don't

elfin warren
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They all should have the updated BIOS available now if it's not an OEM board

full rose
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do usb 3.1 ports really make a difference in games and stuff cause im wondering if i should spend the extra 20 dollars for more usb 3.1 ports

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on a mobo

naive pendant
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Msi z370 good with an i9 9900KF

elfin warren
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Mmm, should really go z490 with that

naive pendant
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Okay that’s what I will do after my gpu and

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And ram

raw abyss
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I'm trying to get my hands on an asus rog crosshair viii x570 dark hero. Are those motherboards hard to come by just like the rtx 3000 series?

elfin warren
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Yes but can I ask why?

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Cosmetics or?

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There is honestly no reason to spend $300 on a motherboard unless it's for your looks preference or high end overclocking

full willow
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My buddy has a i5-6600K and currently has a MSI B150M Mortar MB that seems to be bottlenecking his OCing. Anyone have any recommendations for a better alternative MB in that regard?

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Or should he upgrade completely?

raw abyss
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I want that mobo to overclock my 5950x

naive pendant
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if u want a dark hero only look on asus website

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set up a script to check if its in stock every 2 seconds

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they have somewhat good anti-bot prot

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so when u get notified from ur script u should be able to checkout

raw abyss
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Bruh scalpers and bots are also going after that mobo?

full willow
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Is that a good MB for a 5900x?

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(Managed to nab one a few weeks ago)

raw abyss
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Which one?

full willow
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Dark Hero

raw abyss
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Its very good for overclocking and has a bunch of features

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If your into overclocking your cpu and taking it to its fullest extent

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Then yes

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Very good mobo

full willow
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Yeah, at this point ANYTHING should be an upgrade from my current i5 3570K @ 4Ghz 😅

raw abyss
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Lol

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I had the regular hero but returned it for the dark hero

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Because the dark hero has better power delivery

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To the cpu

full willow
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Good to know

raw abyss
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I really want to push my 5950x to its fullest extent

full willow
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What kind of cooling are you using?

raw abyss
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But the dark hero is only really for enthusiasts that want to overclock and take advantage of all its features to make it worth what you paid

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I'm going to use an aio

full willow
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Ah, I see. I'm still new to OC in general

raw abyss
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I've never really done it but going to do it

elfin warren
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Might be surprised by the der8auer X570 reviews for overclocking

full willow
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But I paid enough for that 5900X so I would be interested in getting the most out of it

noble geode
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What’s the difference between a 16gb 3200MHz and a 16gb 3600MHz

raw abyss
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Speed lol

noble geode
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Witch is better

raw abyss
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Slightly faster is 3600mhz

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Depends on price

hollow thorn
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Timings matter

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3200c16 has the same tCL in ns as 3600c18

raw abyss
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If the 16gb 3600mhz kit is a lot more expensive than the 16gb 3200mhz kit then I wouldn't

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But the price nowadays between those is isn't that big

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Also what cpu do you have? Intel or amd?

noble geode
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It’s like 4 more dollars

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I have a 1050ti and a ryzen 1600 AF

raw abyss
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Well the zen architecture for ryzen takes advantage of high speed ram

noble geode
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So it’s better to get the 3600

raw abyss
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If its only $4 more yes

noble geode
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Ok

raw abyss
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What kit are you getting?

noble geode
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T-forceVulcan Z

hollow thorn
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Uh

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I don't think a 1600af is going to like 3600mhz

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I think it might still have 1st gen IMC

noble geode
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Then what do I get

elfin warren
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Yeah

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1st gen won't do that

raw abyss
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My bad, didn't know that

hollow thorn
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Just get 3200mhz cl16

noble geode
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Ok

raw abyss
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Was the other 3600mhz kit cl18?

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Thats probably why the price difference was not that big

noble geode
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Oh ok

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So I get the 3200

raw abyss
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Yes

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Then its pointless do get high speed ram for 1st gen ryzen

noble geode
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Never mind the 3200 is out of stock

raw abyss
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Bruh

noble geode
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There is only 3000 and 3600 now

raw abyss
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There are other brands like corsair and g skill that have 3200mhz cl16 kits

noble geode
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Ok

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Ok I got the corsair

bold hedge
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hey so is it ok to mix RAM brands and different frequencies? Like if I have a crucial 2666 and a Corsair 3000 could I use them both on the same PC?

noble geode
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But I can upgrade my cpu later on right?

raw abyss
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What mobo do you have?

noble geode
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What’s a mobo

raw abyss
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Motherboard

hollow thorn
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@bold hedge compatibility might be weird, and ram will run at the lowest speed of any kit.

elfin warren
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You can Cookies but it will all run at the slowest speed

noble geode
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B450 AORUS PRO

bold hedge
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so itll run at 2666 then?

hollow thorn
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You'll get support up to Zen 2 for sure, Zen 3 support is iffy.

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It might, or it won't boot, that's the compatibility being weird bit.

raw abyss
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You would have to get the upcoming bios update for a b450 before you try and put a zen 3 chip in there

noble geode
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So I can upgrade my cpu later on?

hollow thorn
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@raw abyss not for certain

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Some boards just won't get the beta bios

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All up to the manufacturer if they want to give their b450 boards Zen 3 support

raw abyss
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Depends on what b450 you have?

raw abyss
hollow thorn
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MSI is promising it on all boards iirc, ASRock most of their boards, but don't think we have any real statements from Asus or Gigabyte

raw abyss
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I see

noble geode
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Is gen 2 good

elfin warren
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Gen 2 what?

noble geode
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Zen 2

raw abyss
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Yes

noble geode
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So I can upgrade to a better zen 2 cpu later on?

raw abyss
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Yes

noble geode
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Ok

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Are there some really good zen 2 cpus out there

elfin warren
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Absolutely

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3700x, 3800x, 3900x, 3950x

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3600x too

noble geode
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Oh ok

raw abyss
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Zen 2 is basically when amd started to beat intel in certain things

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Mostly in productivity

noble geode
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Ok thanks guys

raw abyss
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Np

rotund lance
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What is the difference between g.skill Trident Z RGB gtzrc and gtzr sticks?

hollow thorn
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Full model needed

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Usually C ending means different lower end die

scarlet basin
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I have a 10980xe and an asus prime a-ii and looking to upgrade the mobo-thoughts on the ASUS ROG Rampage VI Extreme Omega?

mild jackal
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Don't buy that board for that chip

main pulsar
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what is the asus prime a-ii not doing for you that the other one does?

mild jackal
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You'll blow up the vrm

scarlet basin
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The prime runs extrememly hot and the vrms throttle the second I try to overclock

mild jackal
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Get the strix-E II if you want asus

scarlet basin
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how come?

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doesnt the omega have a fan on the vrms

elfin warren
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Listen to Forks. Forks knows

scarlet basin
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meh i kinda want to

mild jackal
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The apex* was designed when intel said x299 would top out at 10 cores
*fixed

scarlet basin
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oh

mild jackal
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Then intel made an 18 core chip

scarlet basin
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interesting

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so yould recommend the strix e right?

main pulsar
mild jackal
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oh nvm, you said extreme not apex

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Ya, that's probably fine, but expensive overkill

scarlet basin
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oh yea i meant the extreme omega

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so that ones alright right?

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which would u recommend?

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any brand works

mild jackal
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I use an x299 dark because it was 170 new, vrm is plenty for 18 cores on ln2

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extreme omega would be great, but I'd imagine they're $600+

scarlet basin
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i want to like watercool and not have to upgrade this system for a while

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i have money to spend

mild jackal
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Anyway ya, the extreme is good, overkill even

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Just run it with 8 dimms

scarlet basin
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sry wdym by 8 dimms?

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@mild jackal

mild jackal
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Do you have 8 sticks of memory?

scarlet basin
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yes

mild jackal
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Perfect

scarlet basin
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ok ty!

hollow thorn
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I felt a pong

rotund lance
hollow thorn
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non-c is low end b die

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c is worse die

heady cliff
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What a good mother board for 5800x

mental bronze
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What’s the difference between H410 and B460?

elfin warren
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Ram speed and upgradability

mental bronze
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Ok thx

elfin warren
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H410 is limited for ram speed and upgrade path

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B460 is better

mental bronze
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Ok

scarlet basin
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ok i have a quesiton

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@mild jackal sorry to ping you but youve become my go to guy lmao

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in terms of this mobo i bought it and now I need a case

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I currently have a 680x which is an atx case

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on pcpartpicker it says that an eatx board will fit in this case

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that doesnt seem right to me, will it actually fit?

mild jackal
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Try searching pcpartpicker's completed builds database for x case and y mobo

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So you went with the omega? nice

scarlet basin
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yup

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thanks!

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i found a great deal on it on ebay

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it was 400 dollars in perfect condition

mild jackal
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Very nice, ya, the only real con to that board is the price, lol

scarlet basin
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only downside is it didnt come with the dimm.2 module but I think I can find that second hand somewhere

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im planning to watercool

mild jackal
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yep, those are generic

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Btw, one side of the heatsinked dimm.2 module is very poorly mounted

scarlet basin
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got it

mild jackal
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The heat spreader will put far too much pressure on the ssd

scarlet basin
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kk

mild jackal
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Idk if the omega uses the same dimm.2 I have on the z490 apex, but /shrug

scarlet basin
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long story short i needed this computer fast so I cheaped out on some parts, like the cooling and mobo ect so now im just going down the list upgrading as I can

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I have a titan xp galactic empire as well

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im thinking of selling it because those go for around 1500 on ebay right now

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prob gonna wait until the gpu market is more stable though

mild jackal
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Lol, nice, same

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well, kinda, it's yosarian's

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They really sell for that much? lol

ruby laurel
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nice

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id kill for a titan x tbh

pale mist
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Well, he does live up to his name

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In the top middle

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Ooh, thats smart

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I am more of a paperclip fan but IDK

elfin warren
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Me too

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Paperclip fam

pale mist
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I also like those little things seasonic gives you, nice guys over there

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If only their PSUs didn’t blow up after a couple months

acoustic mural
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why are you eating your power supply

next lava
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yummy

mild jackal
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The seasonic in the pic has been running almost continuously since 2011

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Just needed to replace the fan

pale mist
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Yeah, i just got unlucky

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I have been useing a antec 850 watt since 2008 in my testbed

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Some PSUs just work

mild jackal
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You daily a k5000? why?

pale mist
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Got it cheap and it can play roblox and GTA5

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Basically a gt680

mild jackal
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Lol, nice, ebay?

pale mist
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Nah, a buddy with a dad who edits and he just had a 980 x k5000 kicking around

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Sold the i7 and took the quaddro

ruby laurel
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have had nothing but bad experiences

mild jackal
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My 850 prime ultra titanium just started tripping OCP with a 3700x at idle + 3090 at load

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Swapped it out for a 850 T2, zero issues

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I've never even benched/abused/etc this psu, just been an overkill solution for my daily for ~2 years, loud high pitch coil whine since I got it

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And seasonic wants me to pay shipping to RMA

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🤮

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I know n=4 for me, but a flagship unit experiencing those issues and them expecting me to pay for rma is a bad experience

pale mist
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Antec has never let me down

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But they kinda suck now sooo...

mild jackal
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TBH, I still recommend seasonic units, I think I just got unlucky

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Antec's current 1kw flagship uses seasonic internals, as do the corsair ax1000, many asus ROG thor units, etc

pale mist
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Vintage antec tho

ruby laurel
#

i like leadex stuff

#

i have NEVER been let down by delta, fsp

mild jackal
#

Ya anything delta is solid, I've had nothing but good experiences, n= 5, with my fsp EVGA units

#

I have a soft spot for $200 ebay 1600 T2's

ruby laurel
#

only had one failure

#

and to be fair that psu was a trooper

#

24/7 almost hitting overcurrent for like 3 years

#

and who knows what it did before that

stark turret
#

Will the 5950x work by default with a new ASUS Crosshair VIII mobo?

#

Got the CPU but still waiting on the mobo that will be here tomorrow

pale mist
#

Uuh i think you might need a bios update but try it first

#

Some dont but most do

#

Wow rich kid

main pulsar
#

considering you pretty much already have the parts, you can just test it to see if it works or not

main pulsar
#

they're learning

ruby laurel
#

they already bought it itll be a learning experience

main pulsar
#

its important

#

this webpage is your best friend

#

it has links to everything you need to know

stark turret
stark turret
stark turret
main pulsar
stark turret
#

Been a while since I built a PC. Many years back. Not sure how well the new mobos behave now with unsupported CPU

main pulsar
main pulsar
stark turret
main pulsar
#

well, i wouldnt know either lol, so dont ask the question in the first place i guess

#

i would say theres a really good chance that youre fine

#

but update the bios to the latest one regardless

stark turret
#

You don’t have to answer though if you don’t know. Doesn’t need to be a know-it-all person

main pulsar
#

no one would know, thats my point

stark turret
#

No need to insult people asking questions either

stark turret
main pulsar
#

what bios revision is on a motherboard you ordered on amazon? we can only make assumptions

#

that board could have been sitting in a warehouse for a whole year

stark turret
#

I ordered from Newegg

main pulsar
#

same difference

stark turret
#

Reason why I’m on the Newegg discord channel

vivid pewter
#

no one is going to know when your specific mobo was produced, so can't be sure what bios your board will be running

stark turret
#

In case the mobo’s current firmware doesn’t support the CPU, would it still post so I can update the firmware? It wasn’t possible many years back

vivid pewter
#

From my experience, if the mobo does not have the bios to support the cpu then it would not boot. Hence why they created bios flashing capabilities without a cpu needed.

stark turret
#

Cool thanks

proven lynx
#

Shame, Frys had an A8 9600 for $20, too slow

sacred furnace
#

hello

#

my g skill ripjaws v 2x 8 gb 3200 mhz ram is running on single channel

#

how do I fix this?

#

they are in slots 2 and 4 should I move it to 1 and 3?

proven lynx
#

Check your motherboard manual first I'd say, some motherboards have different slots for dual-channel if I remember right but usually 2 and 4 work most of the time with newer MOBOs

sacred furnace
#

the gigabyte b450 I have says the ram slots are in the order 2413 so I put the 2 next to each other

proven lynx
#

Only other thing I can think of is one of the RAM sticks running at a speed it can't handle, that's happened to me with my pair of RAM sticks (one can run at 3600Mhz but the other the PC won't boot with 3600Mhz). You put the sticks next to each other?

sacred furnace
#

ye

#

u put it in slots 2 and 4 vor 1 and 3 right?

#

I put it in bc this is what manual says

proven lynx
#

They should be parallel then so yeah that's about right, sounds like this is outta my control so I can't help much with that, sorry, someone else it gonna have to take those reigns

sacred furnace
#

I guess ima try r/buildapc

sacred furnace
#

oh its fixed now

#

I just put the 2 in slots 1 and 2

#

thx anyway

jagged remnant
#

Help me choose a cpu guys,
i5 4690k or i7 3770k or i7 4790

sacred furnace
#

isnt highest usually best?

#

I mean give us more info...

#

what ur gonna do with the pc, budget, etc

vernal apex
soft magnet
#

10700 (none K)
Z490 MSI Gaming Plus
32GB 3200
(£570/$660)

OR

3700x
B550 TOMAHAWK
32GB 3200
(£545/$655)

Paired with a 3070 (mainly used for gaming 1440P)

vernal apex
#

Will you be streaming?

#

@soft magnet

#

The i7-10700 will have around 10% more FPS (without GPU) compared to the R7 3700x. Intel is generally used more when your strictly gaming but the R7 3700x is better when it comes to programs like CAD.

The main difference comes down to the motherboard the R7 3700x works perfectly fine with a cheap $80 motherboard while the i7-10700 even for the chepest LGA 1200 motherboard is around $150 the last time I checked.

naive pendant
#

Anyone know how the 3700x overclocks? Are you able to get a significant gain from it or just a couple frames

vernal apex
elfin warren
#

3700x doesn't have an integrated gpu so........

vernal apex
#

Nvm I just can't think today I'm thinking of the G series from AMD which have their own APUs. So then on my earlier point no your not going to get much more FPS unless its a CPU demanding game

naive pendant
#

Ok lemme rephrase

#

How much extra performance would I be able to squeeze out of a 3700x

elfin warren
#

Not much. Turn PBO on and kinda forget about it. It doesn't OC well.

naive pendant
#

Ah nice

autumn fern
#

Hello folks, I am building a new PC for my daughter. I have a B550 mobo, 16GB Patriot Viper 3600mhz ram, 500GB 970 EVO Plus, and a case. (dont remember which). I need to decide on a CPU and GPU otherwise a G series CPU. I was considering the 3400g, but they are out of stock or way overpriced right now so I am leanign towards a lower tier GPU and a lower tier ryzen CPU. Anyone have any suggestions? I would greatly appreciate the help! Trying to stay around ~$400 US

#

She plays low graphics steam games. Nothing intense, though she may if she had a more capable computer.

vernal apex
#

New you would be looking a R5 3600x ($200 - $250) and maybe an RX 580 ($200 ish)

autumn fern
#

Probably not a bad idea going used actually.

#

I cant find any 580's for that price. Hopefully that changes soon.

harsh dust
#

Hey fellas I'm looking for a good lga 1151 motherboard for my i7 9700k and msi seahawk x 2080 with room for at least 64 gigs of ram size isn't really a concern however budget friendly would be nice its going in a thermaltake lvl 20 ht

#

I'm primarily MSI parts and would love to stick to em but willing to work with whats available

autumn fern
#

MSI Z390-A PRO is budget friendly and a solid board.

unreal solar
#

would a 9400f bottleneck 1070 ti

vernal apex
# unreal solar would a 9400f bottleneck 1070 ti

Answer is yes and no. It's pretty much impossible to have a system with 0% bottleneck so the PCMR community has pretty much said anything over 10% is considered a bottleneck. With the listed specs I would assume around a 4% @ 1080p, 2% @ 1440p, and 0% - 1% @ 2160p (4k)

lone ridge
#

what motherboards would you guys recommend for the 5600x?

#

preferably with wifi

hollow thorn
#

B550m pro vdh wifi or B550 aorus elite ax depending on the budget

jagged remnant
hollow thorn
#

@jagged remnant why only those 3 options

#

All optiplexes :p

vernal apex
#

Yea for gaming I wouldn't recomend any of them unless you have a dedicated GPU

#

At this point they are all 6+ generations old

unreal solar
#

@vernal apex i think ill get a 9400f rn i have a 9100f

graceful elm
#

I'm trying to increase my ram speed but my pc won't post past bios when I do

#

Wack

#

Do I have to change stuff other than memory frequency in order to stabilize it?

naive pendant
#

gpu dependant

naive pendant
#

whats the price for the K ?

ruby laurel
#

why get intel non k tbh

#

its only good if clocked high

naive pendant
#

10700 is still a good cpu

#

5600x equivalent if u actually buy the right ram

#

Either way hes on 1440p

woven epoch
#

I'm not sure what's going on, Whenever i play games on my pc i, my pc goes Blue Screen and it says "CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED"

Here's the specs:

Cpu: Ryzen 5 3600
Mobo: B450m Hdv r4.0

ruby laurel
#

have you tried making the process not die?

naive pendant
#

update ur windows dummy

#

might have to reinstall it

woven epoch
#

Already updated it to it's current version

naive pendant
#

reinstall

ruby laurel
#

and actually reinstall

#

none of that "reset this pc" garbage

naive pendant
#

reformat drive

#

easyh

woven epoch
#

Understood, will see if it works. Maybe it's because of Compatability issues with Cpu and Mobo ?

naive pendant
#

no

#

just one of the main windows 10 processes is dieing for some reason

hollow thorn
#

if it's incompatible it won't boot

#

and since you're in windows, it booted

woven epoch
#

Thanks, i'll go check it out and by any chance do you know which one is it or it's just "uninstall all and reinstall all" type of thing

wind field
#

Can someone help me i am trying to find a x570 motherboard that has a plug in spot for my usb type c port on my case

wind field
#

Ok thanks

#

What's a better buy a ryzen 3 3200g or for around 5 dollars more a ryzen 5 3600 and 2 more cores sounds like the ryzen 5 to me

elfin warren
#

3600

wind field
#

Yea I am kinda trying to get my computer budget down because it would be very very nice to have a gaming computer and I figured get a place holder cpu and gpu and stick with everything else I have on the list

#

All I can say is the ryzen 5 will say nice and cool under the cooler

elfin warren
#

Well in that case, get the 3200G

#

and a 5600/5800 later

wind field
#

I was thinking ryzen 5 because it would be able to hold up to most the games I would be playing and give me something with a little more power as I save for a r9 5950x

elfin warren
#

I mean, it's the better processor for sure

wind field
#

Yep

#

And some of the games I want to play will hit it hard

#

I just do not know what gpu to use for a place holder

elfin warren
#

Yikes

#

Not a good time for that XD

random ledge
#

Is MSI MAG B460 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1200 a good motherboard for amd ryzen 5 3600? Asked it in graphic cards but its preferable if i ask here

elfin warren
#

No

#

Need AM4, not LGA1200

split copper
#

LGA1200 is Intel

random ledge
#

Ok

elfin warren
#

B450/550 AM4

#

other wise that's a good board

random ledge
#

Tryna get a rtx 3070 build

elfin warren
#

Ye, Tomahawk B450/550 AM4

random ledge
#

Thx

#

Will i need 2 memory sticks?

elfin warren
#

Yes

random ledge
#

Kk

ruby laurel
vernal kindle
#

Whats difference between 3900x and 5900x?

#

any big difference?

elfin warren
#

IPC = instructions per clock

unique jewel
#

I was wondering how many amps the fan header on the b450 tomahawk max can pull

elfin warren
#

1 amp per header

unique jewel
#

ok thanks

wind field
#

Hey @elfin warren buy seem to be willing to help would a MSI D6 GAMING X GeForce GTX 1650 4gb run a heavy modded minecraft mod like sky factory 4 or something like that?

#

I know it's a question more for the gpu chat but I can't get any info there

ruby laurel
wind field
#

No

ruby laurel
#

yes

wind field
#

I am going to use a ryzen 5 3600 as a place holder for a ryzen 9 5950x and 32gb of ram

rich elm
#

Guys I accidentally brought my motherboard into the shower what do I do

half egret
#

Well

#

Sell on ebay and say it brand new (•◡•)

rich elm
#

Ok thx

half egret
#

Anytime ;).

young ember
#

can anyone help me i have a asrock x370 Professional gaming motherboard, trying to find ram that compatible and rgb

river ledge
#

@fast maple get clapped nerd https://youtu.be/2AsisYSmc6I

Let’s get started with Intel. The company has been in a steady downfall in the desktop space, there's no question about that. Ever since I’d like to say Zen+, their offerings have become less and less interesting when compared to AMD. And in the last year, their stock prices have been going down steadily. A year ago, it was 70$ a piece and now i...

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jagged remnant
#

Those 3 fits in my budget

ruby laurel
#

need to gamer NOW

#

what were the cpus?

#

i want to help u but not enough to scroll up

hollow thorn
#

god damn that was 4am

ruby laurel
#

oh

#

uh

#

why those cpus

ruby laurel
#

like not even close

jagged remnant
ruby laurel
#

it wont actually

jagged remnant
#

One more reason is i already have some parts like storage,ram,power supply

hollow thorn
#

@jagged remnant what's the budget

jagged remnant
#

Converted to usd is around 250 bucks

naive pendant
#

I assume you already have a motherboard?

hollow thorn
#

@jagged remnant what country

ruby laurel
#

because honestly going off of used markets most places

#

10100 costs the same as 4790

#

ram is around the same

#

and boards too

#

unless ur using some oem board

jagged remnant
jagged remnant
#
  1. Mobo light is on
  2. Cpu fan turning
  3. Already tried to adjust the RAM and Video Card

But still no display

#

I think i shud buy cpu+mobo combo

elfin warren
#

Which motherboard light?

jagged remnant
#

It has an led indicating it has power supply

elfin warren
#

What board?

jagged remnant
#

Asus P8H61-M PLUS V3

naive pendant
#

Where them 5950x at

elfin warren
#

With what processor?

#

in that motherboard?

jagged remnant
#

i3-3220
GT 610
4GB DDR3
500w psu

ruby laurel
#

pure power

elfin warren
#

And you have everything spinning but no video out yeah?

jagged remnant
#

yeah

elfin warren
#

is the monitor plugged into the motherboard or the graphics card?

jagged remnant
#

i tried both

#

didnt work

naive pendant
elfin warren
#

Without a speaker to plug into theboard to hear beeps, it's hard to troubleshoot the older stuff

jagged remnant
#

ahhh

elfin warren
#

No LED's to say what's wrong

#

Need a small speaker to plug onto the board and count the beeps

jagged remnant
#

i have a speaker, but usb type

jagged remnant
#

ouh i am seeing it for the first time

elfin warren
#

If you have an old pC laying around, might have one in it

jagged remnant
elfin warren
#

The other thing you can do is unplug it from the wall. Remove the button cell battery and wait a few minutes. Put it back in and try and start the PC again

#

Yes but that's hard soldered to the board

jagged remnant
#

Yeah

elfin warren
#

That motherboard had a PCI-E slot burn

#

It's all black and sooty

jagged remnant
#

Its an old one

#

Not using anymore

elfin warren
#

Actually, that's PCI lol

jagged remnant
#

Haha

river ledge
naive pendant
#

i mean, channels who talk news about hardware leaks

#

most of them are clickbait tho

ruby laurel
#

that psu tho

jagged remnant
#

Haha i know2

#

But still functioning greatly

elfin warren
#

Plug your VGA cable into the GPU

jagged remnant
elfin warren
#

Did you take the battery out for a few minutes with it unplugged from the wall?

jagged remnant
#

Yeah i did that already

#

I think shud buy the speaker as you said

elfin warren
#

That is entirely up to you

#

It will help with troubleshooting that's for sure

#

But me, personally

#

I'd take everything out not needed for boot

#

Drives, GPU, just leave in CPU and RAM

#

Minimize it

jagged remnant
#

Ok lets try this first then

#

Still no display

#

Only cpu and ram inside

elfin warren
#

Take out the ram

#

Shoudl still get a BIOS POST screen

#

Oorrrr.....maybe not

#

NOt sure TBH

jagged remnant
#

Im not sure either

#

I plugged in my mouse into the board, it didnt light up

#

Is it the I/O part spoilt?

elfin warren
#

Might be a bad motherboard then or just not initialized.

#

TBH, without the beeps it's hard to say for sure

jagged remnant
#

Okk

elfin warren
#

Tried the RAM stick in the other slot?

jagged remnant
elfin warren
#

Or a different stick of ram?

jagged remnant
#

I have only one stick

elfin warren
#

Oh

jagged remnant
#

Hmm lets wait for the mobo speaker

#

I've placed order for it

elfin warren
#

Unplug all the front panel stuff too

#

USB, HD Audio, etc

#

Just in case.......

vast granite
#

Anyone have an msi mobo and crucial rgb ram that can control their rgb with dragon center or the mod utility

#

Ping me if you do pls

jagged remnant
#

Now i've only connected the push start button, cpu and ram on the board

vast granite
#

What board are you using

#

NVM i saw the pic

jagged remnant
#

Still not working

elfin warren
#

Well, it's one of those three

#

WIthout beeps or some other way to test, it's hard to tell

jagged remnant
#

Okk i'll wait then

elfin warren
#

If you ahve another system to test components in, I'd recommend that

jagged remnant
#

Sadly no other systems here

#

My old one is a ddr2, this one is ddr3

pale mist
#

If i had to put my money on anything the Ram is prob the culprit

#

I have so much ddr2 and 3 if your in AK i might pay you to take it lol

elfin warren
#

XD

jagged remnant
#

ok what if i upgrade it to newest gen

#

ryzen 3
8gb ram
rx 570

pale mist
#

Not strictly newest but it sounds like a good budget build

#

What was ur old one?

jagged remnant
#

i3-3220
GT 610
4GB DDR3
500w psu

pale mist
#

Hmm

#

The cpu is capable of more than the 610 but that is pretty far gone

#

A new-ish one might be better

jagged remnant
#

i was planning for,
cpu: i7-3770
gpu: rx 570
ram: 16gb ddr3

#

still old but better than what i have now

pale mist
#

True

#

I have speakers and DDR 3 laying around in CT...

jagged remnant
#

I have two mobo in mind,

  1. GIGABYTE GA-Z77-DS3H
  2. MSI ZH77A-G43
naive pendant
#

i7? eh
xeon is a better option unless you find a I7 for cheap
rx 570 is nice but get it used, they mostly have great/alright lrice

jagged remnant
split copper
#

I have DDR3-1600 CL11 in my trailer park H81 board and

ruby laurel
#

xeon is cute

split copper
#

I want to get a new kit of 1600 CL9

#

Just don't know how memory support would work

#

And it's not a consumer board so I don't have a manual for it

#

The bios doesn't have any memory settings

ruby laurel
split copper
#

Oem

#

Lul

#

Lenovo type beat

#

Trying to find a product number in any pictures I have of it

#

I have p/n for a nearly identical board with more features, difference probably doesn't matter for ram stuff

#

But, there's no manuals

split copper
#

This thing but missing some things lmfao

lethal glacier
#

Is 48-49 Celsius normal for an idle cpu temp?

elfin warren
#

What CPU?

#

Any overclock?

lethal glacier
#

No overclock. 7 3700x

elfin warren
#

What cooler?

lethal glacier
#

Stock

elfin warren
#

Is it really idle though?

#

What's the use %?

lethal glacier
#

5% and below. According to task manager

#

Hovering at 3%

elfin warren
#

Yeah, that's kinda typical

#

Load temps more important

lethal glacier
#

Do I load into a game to find that out?

elfin warren
#

Run something like Cinebench

#

R20/23

lethal glacier
#

Do I just let it run till the time runs out?

#

@elfin warren

elfin warren
#

until your CPU stops going up in temp

#

Once it stabilizes, that's load temp

lethal glacier
#

It’s maxing out at 77 Celsius

elfin warren
#

Ah

#

that's good TBH

#

nothing to worry about

lethal glacier
#

Sweet. Thank you!

elfin warren
#

YW

pulsar hill
#

I've got a small problem on my hand in regards to my memory and mobo

elfin warren
#

?

pulsar hill
#

I just upgraded my memory to 16 GB of 3200 ddr4 on my b450M DS3H

In Windows it shows 8.1 GB are being reserved, and it's only running at 2666 MHz

And I can't enter the bios because I was stupid and enabled ultra fast boot

elfin warren
#

Reset CMOS

pulsar hill
#

wait a minute i think i just fixed my fast boot issue by downloading that gigabyte app center

elfin warren
#

Either use the jumper on the pins or remove the battery for 3-5 minutes

pulsar hill
elfin warren
#

with it unplugged from the wall

pulsar hill
#

YOOOO THAT WORKED

elfin warren
#

With regard to the high reserved memory, there's a fix for that too

pulsar hill
#

what's the fix for the memory thing?

elfin warren
#

Winkey+S, msconfig, enter

#

Boot Tab, Advanced Options

#

Uncheck the Maximum memory box

pulsar hill
#

? Is it not a bios issue? I assumed it was because it was also running way slower than it should

elfin warren
#

Probably a windows issue

#

Speed is definitely BIOS

#

Reserved memory probably Windows

pulsar hill
#

Alright so I'm definitely gonna check that out in windows settings

#

Any ideas on how I'm gonna set my memory to the right click?

#

*clock

elfin warren
#

intel or AMD?

pulsar hill
elfin warren
#

Enable XMP

#

Choose the profile that matches your RAM

pulsar hill
#

Aight so I hit profile 1

elfin warren
#

Does it match your settings? Votlage at 1.35?

#

3200 CL 16?

pulsar hill
elfin warren
#

Looks good

#

if you reboot and get a DRAM error, reset CMOS and update BIOS

pulsar hill
#

I.. think it just entered a boot loop

#

I'm not quite sure what just happened

elfin warren
#

Ye

#

That happens, let it sit

#

Sometimes the BIOS resets a couple times

#

*reboots

pulsar hill
#

What happens if a certain idiot panicked and shut down the machine

#

Like I just did

elfin warren
#

Turn it back on

#

see what happens lol

pulsar hill
#

Ok it's booting into windows, surprisingly.

#

I was sure I had just messed up my bios lmao

elfin warren
#

Might not have saved the RAM settings, check it

#

Since you powered off

pulsar hill
#

Yep, windows still shows 2666 MHz. But while I'm here, I guess I should go to msconfig

elfin warren
#

Yeah, check that

pulsar hill
#

There is no check on max memory

elfin warren
#

If you haven't updated BIOS, grab that too while you're there

#

and update it when you restart

pulsar hill
elfin warren
#

BIOS updates provide XMP compatibility

#

Ok, it's probably BIOS then

pulsar hill
#

Bet. Lemme check gigabytes site for a new bios

#

its jusr frozen

elfin warren
#

Just let it sit. Best to do BIOS updates with a USB drive in the BIOS itself

#

I never trust the OS BIOS updates

pulsar hill
#

fair point.

#

so what can i do withthis?

elfin warren
#

Put it on a thumbdrive

pulsar hill
#

empty one?

elfin warren
#

Reboot, go to BIOS, then update from there. Probably called EZFLASH or something

#

Yeah, empty one

#

Also, if that file is ZIPPED

#

Some motherboards like the ZIPPED file and not the uncompressed but I can't remember which ones

pulsar hill
#

sould i just toos the zip and uncompressed on there?

#

*toss

elfin warren
#

Ye

pulsar hill
elfin warren
#

yeah

pulsar hill
#

Alright, so is Q-flash the right thing to use?

elfin warren
#

Ye

pulsar hill
#

Updating now

#

From F50 to F60e

elfin warren
#

Nice

pulsar hill
#

I may be being picky but for a program that's only 16 MB in size this thing is taking awhile

elfin warren
#

Yes, it does take a while to write

#

EEPROM chips are NOT SSD's lol

pulsar hill
#

Fair point haha

#

So updating should fix XMP?

elfin warren
#

It should

#

How many profiles were there?

pulsar hill
#

Only 1

#

But as far as I could tell, it was the right one for my ram

elfin warren
#

It looked right, what RAM is it?

pulsar hill
#

Adata xpg 1

elfin warren
#

oh

#

That stuff tends to not play nice with XMP on AMD

pulsar hill
#

Oops

elfin warren
#

What motherboard?

pulsar hill
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gigabyte b450m ds3h v1 i beliebe

elfin warren
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There are some ADATA kits on the QVL

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SO that's good news

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But only at 2666 from what I'm seeing

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Owait, wrong column lol

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Stand by

pulsar hill
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alright then, its unfortunate, but the best my cpu can handle anyhow is 2933, so theres not a huge different between 2666 and 2933 ig

so the main issue im worried about now is the memoery thing

oh?

elfin warren
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These are the compatible kits

devout mothBOT
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vintageRacer79#5330 has been warned

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elfin warren
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Dangit

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Well, this is the file

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8 kits listed, should work

pulsar hill
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yep, it seems it should

elfin warren
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Nah

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After BIOS update, try XMP again

pulsar hill
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Aight. I still haven't checked the bios yet

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Hopefully the update should get this all going nicely

elfin warren
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THis time just let it do it's thing until you get back to the POST screen

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Once you get back to POST enter the BIOS again to be sure it stuck

pulsar hill
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Definitely should do that, yes.

elfin warren
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If it didn't, try manually setting it up instead of XMP

pulsar hill
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Really stupid question, but atm I have the ram in alternating slots. That's how it's supposed to be right?

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Not side by side?

elfin warren
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Yes, that's correct

pulsar hill
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Aight just making sure I have way too little actual hands on experience with this stuff and it's nothing like the simulations in school

elfin warren
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Nope, never is lol

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Too many different boards/brands/hardware factors

random ledge
elfin warren
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Yes

random ledge
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Kk

pulsar hill
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The simulations were always perfect. Ram issue? You either have a dead stick or put it in the wrong slot. Nothing was ever a software issues unless it was a lab centered around a specific software issue. It never taught how to actually diagnose an issue yourself haha

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Also xmp is disabled in bios so that's fun. Let's re enable that

elfin warren
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Ye

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updates reset everything to defaults

pulsar hill
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Ah gotcha.

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So I have now turned xmp on. The fans have spun up and gone quiet about 2 times. Now I see the bios flash. And now windows is bootinf

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Booted

elfin warren
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Ye

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BIOS will re-post a couple times usually

pulsar hill
elfin warren
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boof

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Ram is in the A2/B2 slots?

pulsar hill
elfin warren
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Ok, I found a little tidbit for you to try

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In the settings, there's a DRAM Power Down setting

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Turn it OFF

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Or disabled

pulsar hill
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In which settings?

elfin warren
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Somewhere in the BIOS

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Looking......

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Peripherals

pulsar hill
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Aight I'm back. I had to do something irl. Bouta be back at the computer

elfin warren
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kk

pulsar hill
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Aight so I'm in peripherals

elfin warren
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heck under AMD PBS

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CBS

pulsar hill
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Could putting ram into A1/B1 slots fix anything?

elfin warren
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no, that will make things worse lol

pulsar hill
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Oh damn aight

elfin warren
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What about Gear Down Mode?

pulsar hill
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Power down enable is set to auto. I disable that?

elfin warren
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Yes

pulsar hill
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Disabled

elfin warren
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Try XMP again with that disabled

pulsar hill
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Xmp is still set to profile 1

elfin warren
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K, save and exit

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see if it sticks

pulsar hill
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Which says it should be 3200 MHZ but it still wants to keep it at 2667 MHz but honestly, main priority is getting 16 GB used by windows

elfin warren
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Yeah, save and exit

pulsar hill
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No dice, still 7.9 GB in windows

elfin warren
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Speed good though?

pulsar hill
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8.1 hardware reserved.

Speed is still 2666 MHz

elfin warren
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what CPU?

pulsar hill
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Ryzen 5 2600x. Max ram speed it supports is 2933

elfin warren
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should have asked that first -_-

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It'll never be 3200 lol

pulsar hill
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Oh of course. It'll never be 3200

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I'm trying to get it to 2933

elfin warren
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Have to set XMP to 3200 settings then manually set 2933 speed.

pulsar hill
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Oh huh

elfin warren
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But the 8 GB reserved thing

pulsar hill
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Aight. But will getting the speed right fix the reserve?

hollow thorn
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Some bioses just doesn't allow you to do manual once you set xmp

elfin warren
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True

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Checking that one now

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as well as the 8 GB thing

pulsar hill
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If it means anything, bios says there's 16 GB, no qualms there

elfin warren
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Right

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It's the reserved part

hollow thorn
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Just windows things

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Usually a restart gets rid of it for me, but I'm assuming it's staying an issue for you...

elfin warren
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It is

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Also did the MSCONFIG check, Max Memory not checked

pulsar hill
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It's staying an issue. Yes. Msconfig had no check

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Also yeah, bios won't let me edit the ram speed with or without xmp enabled

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Oh it will let me edit it but it's very rude about it

tacit hemlock
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What are good idle temps for a 5800x?

elfin warren
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Hmmm

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Depends on the cooler

tacit hemlock
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I was getting about 64-68 on a kraken x73. (ik that sounds horrible). I'm now on a 240 ek aio and getting about 58

elfin warren
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Still sounds high

tacit hemlock
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ya

elfin warren
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Pump speed 100%?

tacit hemlock
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no

elfin warren
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Ah

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should be 100% all the time