#cpus-mobo-and-memory | Newegg | Page 156

neat estuary Nov 27, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Well sure. As long as you Buy a ATX case

tribal harbor Nov 27, 2020, 9:54 PM

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makes total sense 😄

neat estuary Nov 27, 2020, 9:54 PM

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You could likely get all the parts you need for a system for around 400$ if you use your 1080

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the GPU nowadays is the most expensive part of a gaming system

tribal harbor Nov 27, 2020, 9:54 PM

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yeah..i wouldnt trade it or not use it..lol

alpine hawk Nov 27, 2020, 9:57 PM

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anyone have an idea on a fix for pc reboot when launching games that require easy anticheat?

ionic skiff Nov 27, 2020, 11:00 PM

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best itx motherboard for z490? it looks like its between the asus strix and the gigabyte aorus

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but idk the difference between them

gritty meadow Nov 27, 2020, 11:04 PM

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from memory, its IO thats the difference @ionic skiff

patent jewel Nov 27, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I had a 5600x in my amazon cart but then I go to the cart and it just says that a problem with the items in your cart has occurred. 😦

ionic skiff Nov 27, 2020, 11:12 PM

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the prices are only 10 cad different so is it just worth getting this asus one since its asus

tall belfry Nov 27, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Welp, Asus is now having their mobo product engineers to resolve my issue. I have a little prediction of b550 bios instability with the new Ryzen 5000s series

tardy sentinel Nov 28, 2020, 12:14 AM

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tall belfry Welp, Asus is now having their mobo product engineers to resolve my issue. I hav...

Whats your issue? I got a STRIX B550F with a DRAM light every other startup & unsuspend.

tall belfry Nov 28, 2020, 12:28 AM

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My lights don't indicated any hardware error. So still don't know what's happening. Also no physical damage to the board. Again working with Asus engineers

desert sundial Nov 28, 2020, 12:39 AM

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ya boi got a r9 5900x SmileyEgg

violet zealot Nov 28, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Nice, pulling all the good stuff

ebon nimbus Nov 28, 2020, 12:51 AM

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ok so im asking because im completely oblivious to this... for cpu and mobo compatibility all that matters is the socket right? because I have a msi mpg z390 gaming plus and im thinking about getting the i9 9900k

violet zealot Nov 28, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Well it's not just the socket

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But you're in luck, Z390 supports the 9900K as is

ebon nimbus Nov 28, 2020, 12:57 AM

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ah if you dont mind could you explain what else comes into play

deep vigil Nov 28, 2020, 12:59 AM

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For compatibility @ebon nimbus ?

ebon nimbus Nov 28, 2020, 12:59 AM

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yep

deep vigil Nov 28, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Theres socket and chipset

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Socket is the place where the cpu sits so it the socket is different then it wont work

ebon nimbus Nov 28, 2020, 1:00 AM

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yup so like the LGA 1151

deep vigil Nov 28, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Is a socket

ebon nimbus Nov 28, 2020, 1:00 AM

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ok 🙂

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so my z390 will go completely fine with the i9 9900k

violet zealot Nov 28, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Correct

ebon nimbus Nov 28, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Thanks! 😛

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 2:56 AM

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What's the difference between these two:
https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/p/N82E16819113103?Description=ryzen 9&cm_re=ryzen_9-_-19-113-103-_-Product
https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-9-3950x/p/N82E16819113616?Description=ryzen 9&cm_re=ryzen_9-_-19-113-616-_-Product

The more expensive one seems to be a worse product so why is it more expensive?

gentle fulcrum Nov 28, 2020, 2:57 AM

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the 3950x has 4 more cores

violet zealot Nov 28, 2020, 3:00 AM

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They've both gone up in price though, MSRP for both of those is 499 and 749 respectively phaSheva

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Oh my bad it's Canada I forget phaWesker

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Would this be a good motherboard to go with a ryzen 9 and an rtx 3080? https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus/p/N82E16813119197?Item=N82E16813119197&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2Flist%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-zeOnrPRxCKf4zXcsnlgpvQ

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 3:50 AM

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5900x or 3900x

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 3:51 AM

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3900x

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Then it's good.

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Another option is B550 aorus elite ax

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 3:52 AM

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I assume that would be better if I wanted the 5900x

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 3:52 AM

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ya boi

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 3:52 AM

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For the sole reason of bios flashback button

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Can't you just remove the battery to do that manually?

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 3:53 AM

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because there's no way to update bios without a CPU on the x570-plus

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@vague lotus unless you have some interesting tools to physically flash the bios chip itself to update it, uh, not really..?

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Bios flashback and reset cmos are different things

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Flashback allows you to flash a new bios on

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reset cmos just clears the settings

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 3:54 AM

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Quick question: xmp profiles on AMD board - rather no problem or I need to expect some manual stuff

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 3:54 AM

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No problem

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When there is a problem, it's the fault of the ram manufacturer (aka. no fault by design)

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 3:54 AM

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👍

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Do you think I should go for the 5900x instead?

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 3:56 AM

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I wanna drop G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x16GB CL16 3600Mhz on b550 asus board with ryzen 3600XT. Actually got them already, tomorrow gonna install when got access to pc

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Very hard to get your hands on one, so that's your own question to ask.

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If you can get your hands on one, it's very noticeably better.

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 3:56 AM

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I mean, I can wait til they are in stock again

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Fair

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 3:57 AM

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I assume they will be eventually

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Eventually, yea, but who knows, people tend to not like living on uncertainty :)

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Building pc this year kinda difficult, all the good stuff already released but nothing on stock

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Yeah all the parts I want are sold out lol

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 3:58 AM

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I guess eventually like February or march will start some

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 3:58 AM

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my current computer gets the job done though. It works for 95% of the things I want it for

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 3:59 AM

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I wanna try to ext-gdc my laptop

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Gonna buy 1080Ti for that from eBay

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 4:00 AM

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isn't the 1080ti the same price as the RTX 3090 but just way less powerful?

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Used can get below 300quid

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:00 AM

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MSRP it was ~700usd

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 4:00 AM

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I'm in uk

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:00 AM

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3090 is 1500usd MSRP

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and 1080ti is two generations apart from 3090, so it's a very very different comparison

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Well same price as the 3080 then

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Got 960m in laptop tho

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:01 AM

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1080ti performance is around a 2070 super
2080ti performance is around a 3070

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 4:01 AM

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So that will be big jump ;)

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:01 AM

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So 1080ti to a 3090 is not a very nice comparison in terms of performance :)

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 4:01 AM

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A Frankenstein mod

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1080Ti = 5700XT in terms of performance

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:03 AM

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eh, somewhere around there

rapid thunder Nov 28, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Here's the complete build. https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ThelVadam4321/saved/fvfqmG

Chimera Mk. II

modest oyster Nov 28, 2020, 4:04 AM

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I'll loose some just because the way will be installed but still I just want to experiment a bit with that

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Also need some PSU to power that beast up.

cedar leaf Nov 28, 2020, 4:05 AM

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Yay!!

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 4:06 AM

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I'm looking at the specs for the 3900x and the 5900x and they seem to be identical? You said there's a big difference in performance though, how can you tell?

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:07 AM

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@vague lotus Single core performance is made up of two parts, iPC, and frequency

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the thing they don't list is iPC, and that's where Zen 3 got a pretty damn big jump compared to Zen 2 :D

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@vague lotus Take a look at this, specifically the single thread score
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-9-3900X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5900X/3493vs3870

gentle fulcrum Nov 28, 2020, 4:09 AM

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@hollow thorn so with the big jump, the 3700x is pretty close to the 5600x?

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Single thread is good for old or simplistic programs that are power hogs right?

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things that don't have multi threading

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Yes

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@vague lotus It's for everything basically

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multi thread is just single thread, except you squish them together :D

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 4:10 AM

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lol

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I dunno, it's expensive but I might go for that one. I want something that's good for dwarf fortress

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One of the most deceptively system intensive games around

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:12 AM

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lol

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games depend a lot on single thread perf

vague lotus Nov 28, 2020, 4:14 AM

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17% increase in the 5900x

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You've helped me decide today that I'm not ready to buy yet x.x thanks lol

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:28 AM

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:)

deft helm Nov 28, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Hey

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I have Hyperx fury ram and it is not going past 2133 with a-XMP on either profile with my x570 gaming edge WiFi MSI board

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Does anyone have any ideas as to why?

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:35 AM

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How do you know it's not going past 2133mhz?

deft helm Nov 28, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Task manager is what I’ve been going off of

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HWID doesn’t tell me fsr

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:36 AM

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I suggest you try at least cpuz

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:41 AM

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yoyo
I got a ryzen 5 3600 and I am getting 70-80 celcius
is this bad

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:42 AM

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<95c is safe

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run a stress test like prime95 smallfft

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:43 AM

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umm

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Cinebench isn't a stress test

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:43 AM

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how long will my cpu last

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:43 AM

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what

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anything under 95c doesn't damage it in any way

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:43 AM

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o ok

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thanks

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:43 AM

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well

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not counting like -200c with ln2

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:43 AM

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i have a nzxt h510

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2070 super

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ryzen 5 3600

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:44 AM

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lmao

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:44 AM

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2 terrabyte hardrive

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:44 AM

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h510 do make it slightly hawt

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:44 AM

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stock cooler

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wut if i played with open case

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take off the side panel...

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:44 AM

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download this and run the stress test with smallfft
https://www.mersenne.org/download/

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it'll very likely help with temps if you're woried

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:45 AM

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the link or taking off teh side panel?

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:45 AM

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side panel

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@next dawn Prime95 will make the CPU go xtrahot :P

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it's a stress test

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stress test tells you worst case scenerio

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:46 AM

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lol

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ok

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im launching it

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:47 AM

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make sure to do smallfft

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not blend

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:47 AM

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whchih one

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the second or first

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:47 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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the one that says small fft

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:48 AM

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ight

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im scared

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its at 90 celcius rn

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its about to blow up lmao

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fk 93 ceclius

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abt to reach max

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wut do it do

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do i stop it

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does it stop by its self

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 4:50 AM

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it will throttle to keep temps down

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:51 AM

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@next dawn top left

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test, stop all workers

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:53 AM

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it doenst stop by its self

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its at 95 rn

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:53 AM

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you have to stop it

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top left, click test, stop, stop all workers

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:54 AM

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ight

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lol,. i was abt to go to bed, and let it jsyt run

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and blow up my house

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:54 AM

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lel

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:54 AM

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thank you for ur time MR1111

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:54 AM

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You're welcome

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:55 AM

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opne more]

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question

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will ssd help get mroe fps

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than hardrive

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Not directly

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faster load times and all, but shouldn't contribute directly to fps

next dawn Nov 28, 2020, 4:55 AM

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lol, i have a 50 dollar gift card, black friday rn and i dont know what to upgrade

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Dunno, maybe ram..?

ember knot Nov 28, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Is there any specific thermal paste I want to be getting or does it not matter at all

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OR any I should avoid

lethal glacier Nov 28, 2020, 5:10 AM

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It does matter

ember knot Nov 28, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Oh?

lethal glacier Nov 28, 2020, 5:11 AM

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I was recommended nt-h2

ember knot Nov 28, 2020, 5:11 AM

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https://www.amazon.ca/NT-H2-3-5g-Pro-Grade-Compound-Cleaning/dp/B07MXFTNZY/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=thermal+paste&qid=1606540193&sr=8-10

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These things?

lethal glacier Nov 28, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Yes

ember knot Nov 28, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Aight, I might as well get these, thanks

lethal glacier Nov 28, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Np

snow holly Nov 28, 2020, 5:23 AM

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ASRock B450M PRO4 AM4 AMD Promontory B450 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
for this mother board, there is pcie power connector next to the m.2 ssd
does that need plugged in from the PSU?

terse ice Nov 28, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Huh? A pcie power connecter on the board?

lethal glacier Nov 28, 2020, 5:29 AM

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@snow holly I’m goin to dm you unless you can send photos in this server

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The only connectors are the 8 pin cpu and 24 pin motherboard power

snow holly Nov 28, 2020, 5:36 AM

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nvm, its not a pcie power connector

gritty meadow Nov 28, 2020, 5:49 AM

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https://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/B450M Pro4(L2).png

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@snow holly where on the board are you talking about?

deft helm Nov 28, 2020, 6:07 AM

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quick questiobn

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if i have 2x4 gb of crucial ram, can i add 2x4 gb of corsair vengeance and they will work correctly at the lowest of the two clockspeeds right?

gritty meadow Nov 28, 2020, 6:08 AM

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correct

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lowest common

thin dagger Nov 28, 2020, 6:43 AM

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would u guys buy on b&h or wait for it to restock on newegg?

gritty meadow Nov 28, 2020, 6:45 AM

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wherever there is stock

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(at a reasonable price ofc)

blissful dragon Nov 28, 2020, 6:58 AM

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are 12+2 phase vrms enough for a 5900x?

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I saw a mobo with 12+4 phase but I dont really was to lose an m.2 slot

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(12+2 for x570 aorus ultra vs. 12+4 for rog strix x570-e )

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imo I think yes, I just wanted some input from others

thin dagger Nov 28, 2020, 7:19 AM

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the -e one is 14+2 and I think it should be enough for a 5900x at stock anyway

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the mobo recommended was the x570-e (https://www.xtremegaminerd.com/motherboards-for-ryzen-5900x/)

Xtremegaminerd

Sarfraz

4 Best motherboards for AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

As 5900X is also overclockable, you can increase the clock speeds to 5.0GHz if you know how to do it correctly. For doing this properly, I don't recommend going with any random X570 motherboard

blissful dragon Nov 28, 2020, 7:27 AM

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@thin dagger the -e is enough or the ultra?

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I’m not gonna push it past its stock 4.8Ghz, that’s why I was askin

thin dagger Nov 28, 2020, 7:29 AM

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the -e seems to be enough and recommended so I would feel pretty good buying this one but try reading more reviews on it to be sure

void jolt Nov 28, 2020, 7:31 AM

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If I buy a 5100mhz pack and clock it at 3600mhz on Zen3 would it have the normal effect of a 3600mhz pack?

thin dagger Nov 28, 2020, 7:32 AM

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wym normal?

blissful dragon Nov 28, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Remember the latency on those kinds of kits

void jolt Nov 28, 2020, 7:36 AM

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yeah thats right

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forgot about latency

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thanks

blissful dragon Nov 28, 2020, 7:39 AM

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thin dagger the -e one is 14+2 and I think it should be enough for a 5900x at stock anyway

Funny enough I saw that the gigabyte aorus pro is a good fit for most people (aorus ultra is a beefed up version of the pro)

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I will indeed do more research

blissful dragon Nov 28, 2020, 8:49 AM

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:>

hidden cobalt Nov 28, 2020, 12:38 PM

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I know this is a question about ancient tech, but what is the difference between a i7 2600 and a i7 3770.

Looked up performance comparisons and they look to have only a miniscule difference between them.

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Ohh that is kinda a biggie

📎 Screenshot_20201128-074150.png

thin dagger Nov 28, 2020, 12:55 PM

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nanometers I guess?

hidden cobalt Nov 28, 2020, 1:24 PM

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The power draw is almost double on the older model.

fickle flax Nov 28, 2020, 1:41 PM

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efficiency @hidden cobalt

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each gen is an improvement over the last one

gritty meadow Nov 28, 2020, 2:03 PM

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@hidden cobalt its not that simple

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review

The Intel Ivy Bridge (Core i7 3770K) Review

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have a read if you are curious @hidden cobalt

hidden cobalt Nov 28, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Checking it now. Looking to build a cheap nas using some salvaged parts, but the cpu/mobo combo I need to buy. Just trying to weigh my options with previous gen hardware

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Currently bouncing around trying to see what the best bang for the buck would be for a used previous gen

empty stratus Nov 28, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Trade

gritty meadow Nov 28, 2020, 4:25 PM

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@hidden cobalt if you "just" need it for a nas. depending on what you want it to be able to do. you can easily go many generations back

west fiber Nov 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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can anyone tell me if g.skill tridentZ rgb memory F4-3600C18D-64GTZR 65 GB (2 x 32GB) is compatable with the asus rog strix Z490-E motherboard please?

zealous fable Nov 28, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Does a micro ATX motherboard look bad (disproportionate) in a mid tower case?

cinder sphinx Nov 28, 2020, 5:08 PM

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just got my msi mag x570 tomahawk wifi. read the manual and it stated that i can update bios without the need of cpu. now my question is can i use a usb 3.0 flash drive to plug into the flash bios usb port on the mobo to update bios or i should use a usb 2.0 flash drive just maybe because of compatibility?

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Shouldn't matter, just a usb stick will work

naive pendant Nov 28, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Hey, could someone help me? I would like to know what is the best mobo for Ryzen 7 2700X CPU.

vivid pewter Nov 28, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Should I check if I mobo has the bios to support zen 3 already and install the cpu or should I just flash the bios before even installing the cpu?

violet zealot Nov 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Typically they would put a sticker on the box if the bios was flashed for the latest cpus

vivid pewter Nov 28, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Ok

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Have not got the mobo yet, but I will definetly look for that sticker

toxic river Nov 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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hello

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quick question

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is the i9 10850k better than i9 9900k

violet zealot Nov 28, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Yes, it is

modest cove Nov 28, 2020, 8:04 PM

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naive pendant Hey, could someone help me? I would like to know what is the best mobo for Ryzen...

Asus TUF gaming X570-plus

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Its a great mobo

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And I have one for my 2700x

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Just dont get a b550 board (they don't like Ryzen 2k series)

naive pendant Nov 28, 2020, 8:06 PM

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aight tyyy @modest cove

quasi fractal Nov 28, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Hi! I had a quick question about RAM compatibility (I'm moderately tech savvy, but this is my first build).

Is this RAM (F4-3600C16D-32GTZRC) compatible with the ASUS Strix B550-e or X570-e motherboards and a Ryzen 5800x? https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232906

I checked the QVL and couldn't get confirmation. I know there's a "Neo" version of this RAM available, but I prefer the look of the one I linked to the Neo. If it's compatible, is there anything different I'd need to get it working when I finally start my build?

modest cove Nov 28, 2020, 8:10 PM

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I think it'll work, DDR4 is DDR4. Unless the Ram is registered ECC but thats for xeon systems and servers

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As for the mobo

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Just check if the bios is flashed to one compatible for Zen 3 Cpus

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Either from factory or do it yourself

quasi fractal Nov 28, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Cool, thank you! I figured I'd have to flash the mobo. Both have that flash bios with a USB function, so it seems easy enough to just DL the update and do it myself.

I guess a follow up: Am I going to run into any limitations with the B550-e that might nudge me toward the X570-e instead? Price difference will be about $80 after rebates, making the B550 cheaper.

Build is primarily for gaming, recreational use, and work (occasional Photoshop, heavy website crawls using tools like Screaming Frog, massive spreadsheets, lots of browser tabs open at any given time, etc.). The B550 appears to have all the connections I'll need. Not sure if there's some other minor detail I've missed in my research.

violet zealot Nov 28, 2020, 8:20 PM

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B550 is the better deal then. Really the only benefit with X570 is getting pcie gen 4 on the chipset itself.

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Which is probably why it needs the chipset fan

pliant cypress Nov 28, 2020, 8:35 PM

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or b450/x470?

quasi fractal Nov 28, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Ok, great. Thank you! 🙂

snow holly Nov 28, 2020, 9:08 PM

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gritty meadow <@!782029108749926406> where on the board are you talking about?

i was confused, but good news is that i figured it out and the build is now working!

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Anyone here?

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Have a tough problem, wasn't solved last time I visited this server. Computer basically hard resets or shuts off when idle for 2-3+hrs.

modest cove Nov 28, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Ummm

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You sure you disabled windows automatic shutdown?

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 9:43 PM

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yep....

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Motherboard; Gigabyte x570 Aorus master v1.0
RAM; 1 kit (2x8, 16gb) G.SKILL F4-3600C16-8GVKC
PSU=750W, M.2 NVME Samsung 970 1TB

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CPU is 3950x

modest cove Nov 28, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Hmmmm

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Computer will randomly restart whenever it is idle for just 2-3hrs. This also occurs sometimes during startup (1/10), and happens in both windows-10 and Ubuntu 20.1. Windows event viewer will indicate Critical Event 41 (Kernel-Power). The numerous WHEA-errors (Event-19).

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I'm almost certain at this point it's the CPU....

modest cove Nov 28, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Oh

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Dayum

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Yeah I'm at a loss here

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Manually adjusted memory timings (XMP, Levels 1/2/3, default 2133Mhz)
Manually removed/replaced memory in slots 1/3 OR 2/4, also tested 2nd identical kit.
Swapped Power supply (corsair 750W for known working Corsair 600W)
Re-installed windows 10 and Ubuntu OS 20.1
Removed/replaced CMOS batter in motherboard.
Swapped graphics card (5700xt for known good RX480)
Set PICE to 3.0 vs. 4.0, manual Bifurcation
Swapped SATA and NVME drives
Attempted different BIOS version (F20 thru current F30)
Adjusted numerous BIOS settings for memory, Fast boot, USB, ethernet, etc.
Turned off windows power supply/hibernation schemes
Updated all drivers (AMD Ryzen, AMD GPU, Realtek Lan, NVME, SATA, raid etc.)

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 9:44 PM

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its never the CPU itself

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have you run the long version of memtest86?

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 9:45 PM

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GIGABYTE has offered to RMA the motherboard. G.SKILL (RAM) has no clue. AMD hasn't responded to any of my technical requests.

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 9:46 PM

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and what is your idle CPU temps?

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Yeah, I have two kits, tested separately, both pass

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I'm tempted to run MEMtest for days thoughs

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 9:46 PM

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you need to do the one that does like 4 passes at 1 hour+ each

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Typically 45-52C, maybe 60 if gaming for a long time.

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I assume you've reseated the CPU a couple of times?

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memtest86..?

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I can set that up tonight, but I really don't think it's the RAM.

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Yeah, I really don't think reseating the cpu changes anything.

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 9:47 PM

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if it passes the longer memtest86 (where you boot to usb) then RMA the MB if they are already going to let you

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 9:47 PM

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hm?

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Windows event log does have some unique Kernel-power errors, and WHEA errors.

hollow thorn Nov 28, 2020, 9:48 PM

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It's a might-as-well thing, reseating a few things.

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 9:48 PM

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True

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I reseated the CPU last month

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I found a really long reddit post on this same issue, seems to be effecting a lot of x570/Ryzen 3000 users

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Any other ideas please let me know? I think it would be best after all this time to just RMA both CPU and Motherboard.

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 9:53 PM

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it won't be the CPU

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but RMA the MB assuming memtest86 passes

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 9:54 PM

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What's you reasoning on the CPU?

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Occasionally these hard resets will also trigger Event 55(Kernel-Processor-power), 32 times, for every processor on the chip. Online users have informed that this caused by a faulty CPU. What's odd is I get these errors in windows event log throughout the day.

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On Wednesday I was installing an updated AMD drive, and the whole computer froze for a good 5-7 seconds, with all monitors turning on/off, afterwards the even log was flooded with around 400+ kernel errors, followed by the Kernel-Power issue.

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*Driver

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 10:06 PM

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CPU failures are very very rare

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sure its possible

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 10:06 PM

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I agree.

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 10:06 PM

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but its more likely to be anything else other than that

naive pendant Nov 28, 2020, 10:06 PM

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b450/x470?

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which one

pliant cypress Nov 28, 2020, 10:07 PM

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either should work fine, x470 for more high end

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 10:08 PM

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it seems unlikely that the motherboard (x570 master) would be causing idle restarts/shutdowns.

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Why would this occur when the computer is idle (no load) vs. intensive gaming, or video editing?

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 10:11 PM

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depending on what part is faulty, its entirely possible that the system load is completely meaningless to what is making it restart

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 10:11 PM

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My only other though is to try another PSU, one with two 8-pin EPS12v??

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 10:12 PM

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your MB has two 8-pin EPS connectors?

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 10:12 PM

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This is frustrating, soo many components could be broken here....impossible to really know without sending them back.

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Yeah. Gigabyte x570 Aorus master, although feedback tends to indicate that only 8-pin needs to be connected.

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*only 1x 8-pin needs to be connected. I have both connected, but my other PSU (600W) only has 1x connector. It is possible to purchase/use a splitter cable.

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 10:14 PM

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if you currently have both connected then you should have more than enough

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have you tried disconnecting any non-esssential SATA or USB devices?

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 10:15 PM

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I'm going to swap the PSU again, set the memory to default (2333mhz), then leave Ubuntu running overnight. If it resets It would have to be either the motherboard or the CPU.

fallen lynx Nov 28, 2020, 10:15 PM

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you need to do the longer memtest86 (usb boot)

silent widget Nov 28, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Yes. Feedback on this specific MB did indicate that SATA controller could be causing the issue.

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I disconnected all SATA/USB, minus the rear ports for Keyboard/Mouse.

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I'll re-accomplish a cold Memtest tomorrow.

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Thanks for your help tonight. I'm not real confident that this is going to work out. Been troubleshooting this for several months. Really wish AMD or GIGABYTE would offer better tech support.

gloomy nest Nov 29, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Is a core i5-9600k similar to a ryzen-5 3600x? I wanted to get the 3600 or the 3600x, but they're kinda pricey now.

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 3:38 AM

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It isn't, they're both 6 cores; but unlike the 3600 the 9600K does not have SMT or as Intel calls it Hyperthreading which basically makes each core more efficient at multi-tasking so it has 12 threads, where as the 9600k only has 6

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Look at the comet lake options from Intel if you want to go that way, like the 10400 and so on

gloomy nest Nov 29, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Okay thanks

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:48 AM

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The 3600 has been hitting Walmart and Amazon for 180$. It sells out within minutes but it restock frequently over the last 3 days.

gloomy nest Nov 29, 2020, 3:53 AM

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It has? Online it says its like $309

deft stream Nov 29, 2020, 4:39 AM

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trident z or corsiar vengance ram

hollow thorn Nov 29, 2020, 4:39 AM

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If it's Trident z against vegeance rgb, Trident z easily

deft stream Nov 29, 2020, 4:39 AM

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DARN

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i already bought vengance

hollow thorn Nov 29, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Corsair needs to make the Vegeance rgb thinner

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It's wide for no reason and can interfere with stuff

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like top aio mount

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:P

deft stream Nov 29, 2020, 4:40 AM

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maybe i can return them xd

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well the corsair ram was cheaper at the time

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so i feel a little bit better

fallen lynx Nov 29, 2020, 4:55 AM

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you mean shorter?

tardy sentinel Nov 29, 2020, 5:53 AM

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RGB tax = $ + taller

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I'm returning my Corsair RGB DIMMS for non RGB because my b550f wont POST every other boot...and they're stupid tall

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I'll just get another RGB fan above the DIMMs to light up that part of my mobo better. Worst case I have to buy an LED strip to plug into a RGB header to get the lighting I want.

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May not matter if I wind up with a double fan CPU cooler covering DIMMs anyways

hollow thorn Nov 29, 2020, 6:05 AM

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@fallen lynx no, width is the problem

normal tapir Nov 29, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Any type of updates on when dark hero gonna get restocked?

ocean crypt Nov 29, 2020, 12:43 PM

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b550-e strix for 369aud or b550 aorus master for the same price? any ideas which motherboard would be worth that price

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only looking to change to aorus master since the sale

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matched the motherboard price

fickle flax Nov 29, 2020, 2:11 PM

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@ocean crypt we had a guy with the same choices as you, and i recommended the aorus master

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 2:24 PM

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Aorus Master is the better board.

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Do bios XMP settings need to be setup correctly to run USB memtest?? or does memtest do this for your?

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Computer will start hard shutdown/reboot when idle for 2-3hrs. Still can't find the issue after testing two separate/identical memory kits.

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I think i've isolated the problem to memory, but both kits pass memtest (4hrs). The idle reboots only occur when XMP (default profile 1, or 2) is enabled. Have no idea how to manually tweak memory timing/voltage (beyond 3200), and this still produces idle resets. Oddly, XMP profile-3 is stable in Ubuntu, but not windows. There is a healthy reddit post (200+) with other users who have this exact problem in x570 and 3000's ryze CPUs. I think I need to RMA the memory, but not (yet) the motherboard.

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These are my system Specs if anyone has any ideas. I'm not getting timely feedback from either AMD, GIGABYTE, or G.Skill

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CPU:AMD Ryzen 3950x
Motherboard; Gigabyte x570 Aorus master v1.0
RAM; 4x memory sticks of G.SKILL F4-3600C16-8GVKC
PSU=750W, M.2 NVME Samsung 970

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*Correct, RAM is 2x kits (tested Separately), of G.Skill F4-3600C16-8GVKC

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**Correction

fallen lynx Nov 29, 2020, 3:13 PM

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wouldn't width be the distance between DIMM slots? i don't see how that could be an issue that would prevent an AiO from fitting. RAM height off the MB is usually what would interfere with an AIO, no?

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@silent widget do you have mismatched memory?

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or its 4x8 of all the same thing?

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:15 PM

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No, i chatted with @neat estuary a few days ago, pulled all memory, and tested each kit separately (paired by serial number)

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I did attempt all 4x memory sticks in default mode (23333 mhz), no issues but obviously well below the performance I paid for.

fallen lynx Nov 29, 2020, 3:16 PM

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are you sure one of the pairs isn't 3600 C18?

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:17 PM

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@fallen lynx we chatted yesterday about USB memtest, all those passed with no errors.

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Yes, both pairs are identical, purchased from Newegg this time last year.

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Serial numbers are in squence (for each kit). Oddly, the default speed varies between the sets, one is 2133, the other is like 2144, but it's such a small margin.

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The feeling I get is that GIGABYTE did not pass this kit, but G.SKILL says it's compatible (with my motherboard and CPU). Literally no idea where to go from here. G.Skill has not been helpful (for several months). And NEWEGG stated that I can email them to possible leverage the manufacturer to provide a refund?

fallen lynx Nov 29, 2020, 3:21 PM

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its kind of weird that you have more than one XMP profile

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Online research indicates that there are actually two (identical) profiles for this kit....no idea why Motherboard has a 3rd (profile-3) option, or why that produces stability in Ubuntu. It is only slightly higher 3648Mhz?

fallen lynx Nov 29, 2020, 3:23 PM

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you should probably try setting the normal XMP profile and then reducting the timings back to c17 or c18

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not sure excatly where you would do that in gigabyte bios

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Voltage should be 1.35, XMP always puts this closer to 1.38v, feedback tends to indicate this should be higher at 1.4v but this is where my expertise fails

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This is the odd part, if I set XMP, but than manually set any memory timing/voltage the motherboard will crash when I initiate save/restart. The display drops, but the motherboard stays turned on (trying to calibrate memoyr??), I then have to hard power off. But BIOS is completely reset (hard looooong beep) upon powering back on.

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I don't think it's possible to enable XMP, but then manually change memory settings??

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Appreciate all your help btw, you've gotten me further than anyone else on this issue. GIGABYTE has provided feedback, but honestly they recommended and RMA, I don't want to kill that time (6-8 weeks) just yet.

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:29 PM

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This man will be a expert in the field. Give it 6 months 😅

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:31 PM

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This is my 11th build 😉 never had these issues until I went back to AMD (with this build last year). I'm actually a hackintosh developer. I normally run VMs, which is why I wanted the 3950x (16-core). But these idle restarts/shutdowns are killing my time.

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Try the from scratch approach on manual overclocking. Loosen all timings to max. Then max clock speed, set voltage to 1.45. Then start to bring the timings down. You should be able to find videos on this.

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Should I really have to manually overclock to get the RAM to function at default XMP? Feedback online tends to indicate this is a known problem with G.Skill.

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I can go that route, but i'm worried I'll just kill more time chasing a memory (v. motherboard) stability issue.

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The WHEA and Kernel-Power errors with the processor (not producing a hard shutdown/restart) are also rather concerning.

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Well. You are putting together two different kits that where specifically tuned in XMP for the kit. So when you apply it it will apply settings to a second kit that’s not the same. And I’ll have to be brutally honest. If you want stability in 32gbs of ram then you need to buy a new 2x32gb kit.

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:36 PM

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AMD hasn't responded on this, but my hierarchy is Memory first, bios second, CPU last.

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No, kits are no longer combined. I'm testing each kit separatley (with bios cmos flash when swapping).

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Sorry, though I mentioned that.

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:37 PM

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I see. Ok. Good. Are both doing it?

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Yeah, that's why this appears to be a compatability issue with the vendor (G.skill).

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It's on their QVL though.

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Hmmm. This is sometimes fixed with a bios update. Did you?

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:38 PM

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This is a pretty solid motherboard ($360), so I wouldn't think this is the board.

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Yeah, also tried depricating to F20 bios (current is F30H, for 5000 series Ryzen 3)

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Ya you have a good board.

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I know it might feel like throwing good money after bad. But I would buy a new kit of ram, try to sell the others or whatever. If this isn’t it then I would RMA the cpu

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:40 PM

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The reddit post I found on this was fascinating, the Kernel-Power errors are uniquely linked to memory as well. But may not result in reset/shutdown. I've rulled out PSU and SATA/USB connections.

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:40 PM

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See i don’t understand this field. I’m a Windows guy.

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And my experience comes from building my very first PC and spending 6 months on ram tuning because of similar issues.

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I wish G.Skill would take some responsibility here. Two separate kits, both past USB memtest, neither are stable....I should probably ask for a RMA on the memory....right?

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:42 PM

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They will exchange them. But not refund.

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Windows is a pretty fantastic product IMHO, and it's getting better. I would actually tell you to try Linux mint (or similar distro), just to test out that (almost always free) capabilities, and there are tons of fantastic capabilities out there.

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:44 PM

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One problem specific to Asus I have is the bios software for windows. Call them hooks. They are absolutely terrible and result in bios resets too at times

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Armoury Crate.

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:46 PM

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The beauty really is that now with Docker you can pretty much put any server/client platform on any system. I have a 2007 windows Xp virtual machine with almost 300 games on it. Family loves it and I can run 2-4 separate instances for multiplayer.....you just login from your laptop via a web interface (home network is Gig-e). lots of future potential here.

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Should I try a different, C18 G.Skill kit?

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Thinking a combined, 32gb, 2x stick kit, that is 3200 or 3600 C18

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Another problem I had with a B550 Aorus Pro was when it would restart,sleep, shut down it would not power back on without a cmos reset. About once a week. I Returned this one for a ASUS and the ram that didn’t work on that one worked perfectly on Asus.

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3600 cl18 is superior

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All I have used so far is Gskill. But Crucial Ballistic is also great

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Yeah, GIGABYTE had similar feedback that this could be cause by poor power management, but CPU/memory intensive tasks (Gaming, video editing) produce no hard restarts (XMP-1 or XMP-2). So the idle nature of this issue is really confusing.

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I think GIGABYTE was quick to offer an RMA because this board (x570 master v1.0) was basically upgraded to v1.1 and v1.2 within just 4 months. Presume this was mostly due to USB 3.1 power (10amp) power supply.

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:51 PM

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That’s why I switched to Asus. I didn’t know other boards from Gigabyte where have similar issues. Good to know

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They did!!!?? Dude jump on it

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Yeah, but that's another 6-8 weeks without my super computer.....is that worth my time (to also put it back together and troubleshoot for several more hours, days, weeks) vs. just another RAM swap

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The number of hours i've spent trying to figure this out is staggering (probably 30+hrs). That far exceeds any cost (400-$500) in replacement parts.

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:54 PM

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If your motherboard is the core issue. Then ram won’t fix it. But you could get lucky. Honestly you are in a nightmare situation that gets about 1 in 30 pc builders.

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:55 PM

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I'm gonna let you go, thanks for your help. I think I'll trouble shoot the RAM timings, but then likely order a new (32gb kit), and try to RMA the other two kits.

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 3:55 PM

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I wish you luck mate.

silent widget Nov 29, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Thanks, I'll check back in, are you here full-time?

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 4:32 PM

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@silent widget no I just hang out occasionally

naive pendant Nov 29, 2020, 6:01 PM

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ye we aint paid to be here

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we just help cuz we are nice :)

ebon nimbus Nov 29, 2020, 6:01 PM

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just a quick question, whats the difference between this https://www.newegg.com/core-i9-9th-gen-intel-core-i9-9900k/p/N82E16819117957 and this https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i9-9900k-core-i9-9th-gen/p/N82E16819118147?&quicklink=true

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 6:02 PM

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The packaging

naive pendant Nov 29, 2020, 6:02 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20201129-130216_Newegg.jpg 📎 Screenshot_20201129-130222_Newegg.jpg

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the bottom one is a bundle

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 6:02 PM

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The nonahedron or whatever it's called version is the initial release, at the time it was their premium option at the top of the stack

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The plain looking box is a repack at a significant discount that's all it is

naive pendant Nov 29, 2020, 6:03 PM

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and it was their first release (top one) looked really nice

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but tbh noone is ganna keep that case haha

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i believe it was a glass case they shipped it in

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 6:04 PM

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I don't think it's glass, that'd be weird. It's probably just acrylic

naive pendant Nov 29, 2020, 6:04 PM

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somethn see through

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i remember in their demo it was a see through that snuggked the cpu

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 6:07 PM

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The i9 w/motherboard bundle is a pretty good deal

glad lodge Nov 29, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Does anyone here know if the Dark Hero VIII mobo still needs to update the bios?

main pulsar Nov 29, 2020, 6:30 PM

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the better question is why do you need the Dark Hero VIII?

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as for the answer to your question: https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-dark-hero-model/helpdesk_cpu/

ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | ROG Crosshair | Gaming Motherboards｜...

AMD Ryzen 3000 series ATX motherboard with Aura Sync, SupremeFX, ROG Audio, Dual M.2, Realtek LAN, Wifi , M.2 heatsink and USB 3.2 Gen 2

glad lodge Nov 29, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Thank you!

naive pendant Nov 29, 2020, 6:59 PM

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How will i be able to update bios on my mobo if i get the ryzen 5x 5600?

ocean crypt Nov 29, 2020, 7:37 PM

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fickle flax <@!233923997094379520> we had a guy with the same choices as you, and i recommen...

Thanks. Purchased the aorus master board 😃

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 8:02 PM

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naive pendant How will i be able to update bios on my mobo if i get the ryzen 5x 5600?

It depends on the motherboard, motherboards that are new from the factory will have the latest bios revision and will not need an update. But older stock will need an update, a lot of them now have a feature that allows you to flash the bios without the cpu. All you need is power and a usb drive

deft stream Nov 29, 2020, 8:10 PM

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I've heard some good and bad things abt the asus prime z-390 p but i still bought it, hoping i dont have any issues

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 8:55 PM

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If I’m going to be doing video/phot editing and using reshade on some games. Should I go with a 5600x or 3700x? I feel like 3700x is a bit faster for some of these tasks but not sure

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 9:00 PM

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gentle fulcrum If I’m going to be doing video/phot editing and using reshade on some games. Sho...

The single core performance is notably faster on the 5600X, but the extra cores will be a notable advantage in some cases. I think it will age better too

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Waheew! So now i only have to wait for a 3070 to be available xD

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 9:00 PM

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I don't think it's really a bad idea either way, but the 3700X might be the better deal I think

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Yeah, i know they both are good for gaming but I only do 1080p so i think the difference doesnt matter at that resolution

tribal yoke Nov 29, 2020, 9:14 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20201125-225528.jpg

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im getting this motherboard

fallen lynx Nov 29, 2020, 9:14 PM

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congrats!

tribal yoke Nov 29, 2020, 9:14 PM

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ima have no money

fallen lynx Nov 29, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Congrats!

frozen schooner Nov 29, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Man, its been hell trying to figure out which 570 to get for the 5900

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Wanted the Dark, but thats oss and scaplerland now

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 9:22 PM

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gentle fulcrum Yeah, i know they both are good for gaming but I only do 1080p so i think the di...

Actually for 1080p, typically you're cpu bottlenecked so the 5600X would give better performance every time

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Even for video recording and what not?

frozen schooner Nov 29, 2020, 9:23 PM

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@gentle fulcrum @violet zealot agree 100% just went through a bunch of benches, its significantly better

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 9:23 PM

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ThinkingEgg

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 9:24 PM

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For Video recording? I don't think that matters

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But for pure 1080p gaming

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The 5600X will net better performance all the time

frozen schooner Nov 29, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Pure gaming its as good or beats a 10900k

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Okie dokie

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Like if you were going 1440

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Time to wait for 2 months then

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XD

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Then the difference wouldn't matter too much I think

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 9:25 PM

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O.O

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Damn I shoulda bought a 1440p then lmao

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 9:25 PM

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There would be a difference, but it wouldn't be huge

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Yeah for a 3070 it makes more sense too

frozen schooner Nov 29, 2020, 9:28 PM

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@glad lodge you got a lead on where to buy the dark?

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 9:31 PM

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I'm unsure about something

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I'm trying to not spend alot of money so with my r5 2600 I decided on the b450 tomahawk max a while ago, but haven't purchased it yet

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But the asrock b450 steel legend ATX version is on sale for 90

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I'm not sure what to go with because I'm seeing alot of stuff about the VRMs being bad on the steel legend

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 9:45 PM

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I don't think it's the VRM so much as the heatsinks aren't designed well

fallen lynx Nov 29, 2020, 9:50 PM

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they are a little small on that one

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I saw stuff saying they arent nearly as good as on the tomahawk max for overclocking and stuff

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I'm mostly just really unsure if the steel legend is actually worth it rather than getting the tomahawk max because of the vrm stuff

copper pike Nov 29, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Do pins in the mother board can be fixed?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:06 PM

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@tawny hemlock will you be trying to OC the pants off the cpu?

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if no, then dont bother with the Tomahawk

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:10 PM

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I'm not sure how much I would want to OC

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:11 PM

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consider this: are you on the stock cooler?

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Yeah

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:11 PM

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then dont bother

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Ik that would limit oc

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What would be good instead of the tomahawk max then?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:12 PM

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just about anything really

hollow thorn Nov 29, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Tomahawk max is an interesting board

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not good feature wise for the price

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:12 PM

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I couldnt find anything online about whether or not I would be in the clear with the atx steel legend

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:13 PM

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will it work? yes

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:13 PM

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But can I trust it

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:14 PM

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as much as you can trust any other piece of hardware

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:14 PM

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I cant afford for something to crap out basically

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Okay

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:14 PM

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there are no guarantees

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no matter how much reddit might yell that there is

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:16 PM

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I dont know if my case choice makes a difference for what mobo I should choose but I've chosen the h510

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:16 PM

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please post your pcpp list :)

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Never listen to Reddit phaSip

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:16 PM

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I dont really go on reddit anyway

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Case choice is kind of subjective, it's not going to be the end all for the core performance

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But, it is important if you value good thermals

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Heres my list with the steel legend as the mobo choice

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bvd7Cz

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:18 PM

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is that wifi adapter still in its packaging?

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:18 PM

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I already have a psu

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It isnt even here yet

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I cant use ethernet

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Its in too weird of a spot

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:19 PM

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then go for wifi on the board instead

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Also my wifi is hot trash

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:19 PM

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because as it is, per the list, you are paying 128 for a mainboard with wifi

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:20 PM

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What's a good board with on board wifi

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That wont eat all my money

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Wifi is like maybe 20 bucks added typically

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:22 PM

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he is limited by the cpu in that @violet zealot

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b550 boards dont support 2000 series chips

violet zealot Nov 29, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Oh I know, I wasn't suggesting that

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:22 PM

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and the b450 boards are slowly disappearing from the channel

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@tawny hemlock how much of that list has actually arrived?

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:24 PM

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I've had the cpu for a bit

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That's all

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The other 3 things were ordered 2 days ago

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Now that I think about it I should have asked about my list a long time ago

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:27 PM

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2sec then

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@tawny hemlock try and have a look at this

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L6WRF8

System Builder

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:33 PM

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I somewhat like it

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That gpu is one I avoided on purpose

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:33 PM

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its double the storage

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and the ssd is leagues faster

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re: gpu: no need to avoid it

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the 1660 super chip is a cool running chip

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Yeah I avoided Seagate because I saw people saying it doesnt run as well as the wd blue

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:34 PM

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its a HDD.

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it runs just fine

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Alright

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So should I just return what I bought and get this stuff

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:39 PM

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from what i can see of your old list, this is a upgrade across the board

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and i just made a change to the ram too

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2sec

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4nbgPV <- there you go @tawny hemlock

System Builder

warped scroll Nov 29, 2020, 10:44 PM

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What RGB software do I need to download for older MSI motherboards?

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Cause Mystic Light is only for the really new stuff and won’t work on this H270 Gaming M3

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:45 PM

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no idea @warped scroll, the manual doesnt say?

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:45 PM

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I guess I should've expected that my parts list wouldn't be as good as I thought since I've never actually build a pc

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I know a couple people that have but I dont think they know as much as I thoguht

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:46 PM

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@tawny hemlock look on the positive side of things: You didnt come here AFTER you had built it :)

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Yeah

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I would be kicking myself

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:46 PM

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buyers remorse is very real :)

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:47 PM

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I'm also never confident in my choices anyway

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Returning stuff will be annoying

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:48 PM

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nothing i can do on that front @tawny hemlock

warped scroll Nov 29, 2020, 10:48 PM

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gritty meadow no idea <@!513480752739123230>, the manual doesnt say?

The manual! :o. I always forget that you can get it online

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 10:48 PM

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I'm glad psu shrouds exist since I'm poor so I have a non modular 500w bronze

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:49 PM

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I am currently looking to purchase a new MOBO, CPU and Graphics Card...
Currently, I'm running a MSI Z170A Gaming M5 with an i5 6500 and a RX480

I would like to go to an i7-9700K or an i9-9900K.. Right now I'm looking at my current board, and I believe I can support the i7 as is... That said, if I moved to the i9, would the current RAM I have also be compatible?

hollow thorn Nov 29, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Well, Z170 would be LGA1151v1, it won't be able to support any 9th gen chips

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and iirc LGA1151v1 would be ddr3

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9th gen would be LGA1151v2 and ddr4

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:50 PM

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I would obviously be looking at a different mobo, but the new mobo would require the same memory type?

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Mine is DDR4

warped scroll Nov 29, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Yes

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:50 PM

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its ddr4 @hollow thorn

hollow thorn Nov 29, 2020, 10:50 PM

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hm

warped scroll Nov 29, 2020, 10:50 PM

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hollow thorn and iirc LGA1151v1 would be ddr3

Can be Ddr3. Usually ddr4

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:50 PM

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https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813130873?Description=msi z170a m5&cm_re=msi_z170a m5-_-13-130-873-_-Product

hollow thorn Nov 29, 2020, 10:51 PM

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alright

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:51 PM

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https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z170A-GAMING-M5#support-cpu <- @scenic jasper

Welcome to the MSI Global official site. We are the top Gaming gear provider.

hollow thorn Nov 29, 2020, 10:51 PM

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I thought all lga1151v1 was ddr3, fun.

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:51 PM

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manufacturers site is the only place to go for confirmation on support

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never trust a vendor site

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Ahh, fair, just a sec 🙂

neat estuary Nov 29, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Will other Motherboard software work on my Asus then Armoury Crate? That software is a crock of doodoo

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:52 PM

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and as you will see in the link, it tops out at the 7700k

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you cannot post non-newegg/pcpp links yet

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Sucks

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:52 PM

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you are still new to the server

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:52 PM

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It was an MSI link like yours I believe

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All well

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Okay..

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:52 PM

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its our anti-spam bot in action

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:52 PM

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No worries

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:52 PM

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the link i posted is for your board

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:53 PM

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So, the RAM would be good despite going to the i7 or the i9 then?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:53 PM

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the ram would work with any board that uses ddr4 yes

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would it be a good choice? that depends on the cpu etc

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:53 PM

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So, let's say I took on the i9 then

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:53 PM

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not happening on your mainboard

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i refer, again, to the link i posted

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:54 PM

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And went with this board: https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813144300

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:54 PM

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your board tops out at 7700k

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:54 PM

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I know... I'm trying to lay down the hypothetical for the RAM now

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So if I did that board, with the i9 and the current RAM, would I be okay?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:55 PM

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in theory, yes

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/ <- put your parts into this

System Builder

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that makes talking about things a LOT easier :)

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i mention that site, because the board you listed, at that price, is just silly

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:58 PM

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What board do you recommend? And sorry, this is the i9 I meant to say

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i9-10850K Comet Lake 10-Core

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That was my bad

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:58 PM

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any particular reason you are going intel?

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Too many damn tabs open

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Honestly, cause I know it will 100% work with my D14

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I believe the D14 does work with the AMD

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 10:59 PM

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it does

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 10:59 PM

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But I've never touched an AMD CPU before

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I'm down if you can give me a good comparison CPU

hollow thorn Nov 29, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Noctua will ship you AM4 brackets if you request it btw.

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Try 5900x.

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:00 PM

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When I search that, I get 3 products

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One is sold out, the other is 694...

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And the other is 599

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Are they all the same?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:01 PM

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested <- have a look here

AMD Zen 3 Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 5950X, 5900X, 5800X and 5600X Tested

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thats a review of the different models

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will give you some idea about why we ask :)

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:02 PM

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That's fair

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TBH, when I do a comparison of apples to apples

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The i9 at the same prices out performs it

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:03 PM

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in what?

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:03 PM

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3900x vs i9-10850K

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i9 wins in power

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:03 PM

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wrong cpu

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:04 PM

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?

hollow thorn Nov 29, 2020, 11:04 PM

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5900x is what we're talking about

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:04 PM

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not 3900x

hollow thorn Nov 29, 2020, 11:04 PM

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3900x loses pretty easily

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Why did the site give me the link for 3900 then

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:04 PM

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because you clicked the wrong thing?

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Give me a moment

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Ohhhh

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Cause yoiu don't have the 5900x in stock

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https://www.newegg.ca/p/pl?d=5900x

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:06 PM

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we are not newegg :)

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Ahh... Don't know how this discord runs, you're just a tech dude on here helping out?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:07 PM

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aye, all are volunteers

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Did not realize... Sorry about that

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:08 PM

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aside from the 4 in newegg staff group :)

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nothing to be sorry about :)

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its part and parcel for us :)

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:08 PM

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So the 5900 is not even available and it looks like that cpu is about a grand Canadian

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So, because of that, I'd rather take the i9 atm

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:09 PM

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nah, that is just newegg being silly (if they are listing it as 1k cad)

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/KwLwrH/amd-ryzen-9-5900x-37-ghz-12-core-processor-100-100000061wof

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor

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and yes, i know its listed as out of stock

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but price is the reason for the link :)

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Hmm, still steeper than I'd like... I agree it's probably better, but I'd rather take the i9 for the cost

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Fair

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Plus, I'd have to wait on Noctua to send me the new mounting brackets

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So, if I was to take on that CPU, what MOBO would you guys recommend? for this i9-10850K

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I have a M2 already as well

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:12 PM

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just about any z490 board will work for you

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its a question of what you want it to be able to do

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#sort=price&c=143

Choose A Motherboard

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Was just on MSi's website, they have a good comparison tool

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Looking at them now

tawny hemlock Nov 29, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Naed after adding in the price I got my psu for that build you sent is 4 dollars cheaper for alot more storage, so thank you

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:19 PM

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you are very welcome @tawny hemlock

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Looks like this is my best bet for MSI at least: https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813144300?Description=mpg z490&cm_re=mpg_z490-_-13-144-300-_-Product

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Given all the things I want with it

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:21 PM

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#sort=price&c=143&m=27

Choose A Motherboard

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Are you able to see the system builder once I build it?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:22 PM

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you mean the list?

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only if you post the link to it here :)

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Let me set the rest of it up... Give ma s ec 🙂

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:22 PM

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please dont make it in the newegg builder

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Not going to 🙂

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Also, this is the RAM I have

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https://www.newegg.ca/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820233698?Item=N82E16820233698

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That was my last purchase from them for RAM

spare gyro Nov 29, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Thinking of picking up Check this out on @Newegg: G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 4000 (PC4 32000) Desktop Memory Model F4-4000C15Q-32GTZR https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232973?Item=N82E16820232973&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-232-973-_-11292020

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:25 PM

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just plot it all into pcpp @scenic jasper :)

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Coo

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I needed to see if that RAM was okay, it is apparently, yay!

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:27 PM

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its fine

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:29 PM

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So this is the link: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/WdFNy4

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The RAM and Cooler and M2 already are purchased

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So, it's just mobo, gpu and cpu

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My current PSU is 750

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:31 PM

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you are aware the GPU is a in-store backorder right?

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:33 PM

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For all stores it seems.. Canadacomputers and Newegg

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Booo

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Is there something comparable?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:33 PM

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Vh9tt6/asrock-radeon-rx-5700-xt-8-gb-phantom-gaming-d-oc-video-card-rx5700xt-pgd-8go

ASRock Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Phantom Gaming D OC Video Card

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40cad more

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Never purchased from ASRock before... Any good? Gigabyte has been stellar on any tech support I've had

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:34 PM

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all brands are bad

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all brands are good

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:34 PM

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LMAO

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I'm just asking from personal experience if you've worked with them before?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:34 PM

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it does not really matter

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ive worked with all of them

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hence why i said what i did above :)

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Fair

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:35 PM

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mass production is mass production

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you might be unlucky, you might be lucky

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but there is not anything glaringly wrong with that model from what i know

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Thanks!

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:36 PM

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and just so you are 100% informed

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Is going out of my way to use pc part picker to find the cheapest viable?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:36 PM

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you are aware that there are new cards on the market?

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Yeah, I was hoping that this would drive the price of these cards down

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:36 PM

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but that stock is hell?

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Stock is hell?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:37 PM

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there is demand that strips all stock

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:37 PM

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For sure

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 11:37 PM

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stocks

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:38 PM

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i just wanted to make certain that you are aware of it

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because it would not be fair to not tell you

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:38 PM

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I know that stock and prices change as things go, but are you telling me cause the prices haven't gone down yet?

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:39 PM

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im telling you, because much faster cards are available

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but they are just not in stock

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 11:39 PM

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30 series card op

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Ahh... I hear you but I don't want to spend 1k on a card right now 🙂

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 11:39 PM

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amd catching up tho

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dude 3070 is 500

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it isnt 1k lmao

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:39 PM

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@gentle fulcrum cad

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:39 PM

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I'm in CAnada

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:39 PM

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availability

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 11:39 PM

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oof

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good luck

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:40 PM

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so, before you laugh at someone, please read first @gentle fulcrum :)

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 11:40 PM

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but get person in na to buy

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i didnt laugh

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:40 PM

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That's why I'm saying, I have to play a different game to buy cards than in the states...

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:40 PM

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and to answer the pcpp question: its a viable site to look at what the price is in many different shops

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just be aware that you have to check that the stock is actually there

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:41 PM

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I typically use logicalincrements cause it deals with CAD really well

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:41 PM

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because it is ONLY reporting what it gets told by the vendors

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:41 PM

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I hear you

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I've ordered lots of parts before for many computers, my real struggle, is that it's been like 5 years since I've had to put one togetehr, so a lot of the information I was looking for was frustrating to wade through, it's why I was talkingt o you guys tbh

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 11:42 PM

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wait why is it so much more expensive in canada than usa?

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Importation fees and dollar difference

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So your dollar is .30c more than ours

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:43 PM

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and that is a fair reason to talk with us :)

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:43 PM

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And we have to import, even though we are sometimes shipping from Canadian places to American places

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LMAO

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 11:43 PM

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oh god

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on newegg 3070 is 700

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:43 PM

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hey, none of you have AUS prices

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 11:43 PM

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so u could potentially wait for 3060

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:43 PM

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those are bonkers

gentle fulcrum Nov 29, 2020, 11:44 PM

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o.o

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I know for a fact that ATI is HQed in Canada, yet we do not benefit from it at all

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:44 PM

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ATI does not exist anymore

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:44 PM

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They are AMD now

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:44 PM

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aye

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for many years now:)

devout mothBOT Nov 29, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Mantagonist#3830 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:46 PM

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WTF?

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What word?

deft stream Nov 29, 2020, 11:46 PM

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z-390 best mobo series

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cant change my mind

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Any case.. Thanks for the help @gritty meadow that will be my 3 things I get hopefully in the next few days

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Thank you for all the help!

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:48 PM

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you are very welcome @scenic jasper , best of luck with the build :)

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remember to pickup some thermal paste too

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Can't wait to play cyberpunk 🙂

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:48 PM

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if you dont have it already

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:48 PM

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I have some, but I'm thinking it's old and crusty

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So will def pick it up

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:48 PM

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:)

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have a good CB inspired tune to tide you over with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV3HfIWKAU0

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scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Ohh, I've been fully engulfed in all the new wave/outrun music for along time now. I hope we get to see some carpenter brut, vangelis and similar music going forward!

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With the game

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:51 PM

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:D

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Becoming an old man Naed...

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:52 PM

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we all are

scenic jasper Nov 29, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Oh man.. They're sampling from another song

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For the one you sent me

gritty meadow Nov 29, 2020, 11:54 PM

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aye

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Gavin normally does that

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if you dont know that creator, you are in for one heck of a treat

cinder gazelle Nov 30, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Can someone help me find a good 500 GB M.2 SSD that works with the ASUS Maximus Hero VIII board

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Sure, try MP34

cinder gazelle Nov 30, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Do you put that over the 970 Evo or the WD Black M.2s ?

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@hollow thorn

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 12:15 AM

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It's better priced :D

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SN750 is slightly better.

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I'd say SN750>970 evo>MP34

vivid pewter Nov 30, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Just came in decided on the this for the slightly better thermals than the elite because I live in Arizona and it gets hot here

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cinder gazelle Nov 30, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Is $61 for a WD SN750 a good price? @hollow thorn

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Yea

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it's good

grizzled fable Nov 30, 2020, 12:30 AM

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can anyone point me in the right direction to a good motherboard for an 1151, i5-6400K?

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For gaming.

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Need to replace the MOBO that I burnt up

jaunty wadi Nov 30, 2020, 1:02 AM

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hollow thorn it's good

Is that a better drive than the Samsung evo?

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 1:02 AM

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I would say so

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SN750 over the 970 evo, due to the higher write speeds

jaunty wadi Nov 30, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Oh ok thank you

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Lol “read your manuals”, lol I asked about where my other m2 slot is on the board, and the manual pointed it out way right away

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I was searching google and YouTube , which wasn’t helpful lol

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 1:13 AM

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:)

tribal yoke Nov 30, 2020, 1:21 AM

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mm

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 1:22 AM

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X570 unify should be 300usd

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not 350

tribal yoke Nov 30, 2020, 1:23 AM

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ik

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adromada or whatevee it is, they selling for 350 and newegg and amazon are out of stock

grizzled fable Nov 30, 2020, 3:11 AM

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I can't find a H110, 170, or 270 chipset intel mobo to save my life

split copper Nov 30, 2020, 3:11 AM

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try adding "waldo" or "wally" to the search terms

devout mothBOT Nov 30, 2020, 3:12 AM

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AV8R_Owen#9999 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

split copper Nov 30, 2020, 3:23 AM

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😳

naive pendant Nov 30, 2020, 3:40 AM

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I'm trying to buy my parents a system and this a good motherboard https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HC779JH/ref=cm_sw_r_u_apa_fabt1_dMgXFbDD3V521?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

rigid condor Nov 30, 2020, 3:51 AM

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will this motherboard work with intel 11th gen it says lga 1151

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violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 3:52 AM

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10th and 11th gen Intel is on LGA 1200

rigid condor Nov 30, 2020, 3:52 AM

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dang

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that motherborad is sick

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Well, there's pretty cool Z490 motherboards probably

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This is the latest equivalent

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rigid condor Nov 30, 2020, 3:53 AM

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yoooo that one you sent is sick

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is the 7.7ghz possible with a z73

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 3:55 AM

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That's marketing nonsense, that's not even possible under normal circumstances

rigid condor Nov 30, 2020, 3:55 AM

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theres only 2 ram slots

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 3:55 AM

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That's using LN2 liquid nitrogen to cool the CPU

rigid condor Nov 30, 2020, 3:56 AM

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does the motherbored that i sent need to be water cooled

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or does it work both ways

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 3:58 AM

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I'm not sure, but it does look like the intention is to watercool it. So it would be a complete waste to get it if that is not your intention

inland bramble Nov 30, 2020, 4:05 AM

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I'm interested in buying a Ryzen 5000 series cpu and a MOBO. Most of the MOBOs currently available say probably need a bios update for 5000 compatibility, and it seems like I would need a compatible ryzen cpu to bootup and update the bios. Am I better off just waiting until new X570 start shipping with the bios, or buying a used cpu to run the update?

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 4:08 AM

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So a pretty common feature is actually the ability to flash the bios without a cpu

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You'll have to look for it when you're shopping for motherboards, most of the MSI boards have it

brave path Nov 30, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Shall I get the same ram to get 32 gig instead of 16 I have Corsair vengeance 3200mhz or get higher 3600mhz 16 ram idk what ram I’m going to get

tribal yoke Nov 30, 2020, 4:28 AM

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hold on my brain isnt working rn lemmi think

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ok so, get the 3200mhz ram so u got 32gb and then overclock to 3600mhz if u using ryzen

brave path Nov 30, 2020, 4:45 AM

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I’m not good at overclocking but yes I do have ryzen

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@tribal yoke

tribal yoke Nov 30, 2020, 4:53 AM

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i think ram speed overclocking isnt hard, i dont have a pc so idk about overclocking but im sure you coukd watch some youtube videos becuse 3200mhz is fine for ryzen, 3600mhz is ideal

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 5:01 AM

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It's limited by the kind of memory quality you have

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Not just any 3200 kit will easily get to 3600

brave path Nov 30, 2020, 5:25 AM

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So what should I do

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A another two sticks of my same ram or 3600Mhz kit

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 5:28 AM

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So the options are, get the same kit and double capacity. Or get a new kit that's faster and higher capacity too?

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I mean the latter would be better, but the former would be cheaper and would be fine

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3200 isn't slow, it's the rated speed that's expected for Ryzen anyway

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It's just not the sweetspot

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Though in terms of latency 3200 CL14 is = 3600 CL16

brave path Nov 30, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Well I have 3200 CL16

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 5:31 AM

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So you could try using 1usmus's Ryzen Dram calc and figure out if you can tighten the timings for your memory

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It requires knowing what kind of memory it is though, Micron, Hynix, Samsung

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Then there's different qualities like B-Die is the best for Samsung, E-Die is the best for Micron

brave path Nov 30, 2020, 5:33 AM

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It’s Corsair vengeance

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 5:33 AM

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LPX?

brave path Nov 30, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Yep

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Is this the exact kit? https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820233859

brave path Nov 30, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Yep

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 5:35 AM

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I got the same one, but it's 3000. I think they use different memory depending on the batch

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It could be Micron or Samsung not sure if they use Hynix though

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In my case it was a Micron D-die

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And I was able to clock it to 3200 at CL14

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Looser subtimings though

brave path Nov 30, 2020, 5:37 AM

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I don’t understand any of that but ok

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 5:38 AM

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I don't understand half of it tbh, I punched in the info and let the calculator do the work

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Then just copied it into the Bios for the memory and it worked

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I did have to figure out the specific memory using another program called Thaiphoon Burner though

brave path Nov 30, 2020, 5:40 AM

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ok thanks

tribal yoke Nov 30, 2020, 5:53 AM

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im getting cl18 ram cus the difference between cl16 and 18 is 0.6 miliseconds

burnt notch Nov 30, 2020, 6:36 AM

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Mobo bios count as software or mobo

toxic river Nov 30, 2020, 8:03 AM

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is the t force ram a good choice?

tribal yoke Nov 30, 2020, 8:20 AM

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ye its ok

static forge Nov 30, 2020, 8:24 AM

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I have ryzen 7 5800x with asus b550m plus (wifi) for sell contact me

naive pendant Nov 30, 2020, 11:04 AM

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this seem fine for doing full ryzen build?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B088W57M4J/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

oblique yew Nov 30, 2020, 11:09 AM

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i got the mATX version of that and it's doing good so far.

naive pendant Nov 30, 2020, 11:15 AM

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good to hear, i went ahead and talked to a friend about it and seems to be a sturdy choice so i went with it

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plus not a bad deal with cyber monday going on

lusty trail Nov 30, 2020, 12:46 PM

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I just bought some new ram that is 3200mhz, but my current ram is only 3000mhz. Is that gonna be any problem when I combine those two, and if so what's the easiest way to fix it?

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I've tried to find help on the internet, but I had a hard time understanding the answers I got...

stark laurel Nov 30, 2020, 12:52 PM

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It's gotta be the same everything, timing, Cas latency, speed, first word latency, everything

fickle flax Nov 30, 2020, 12:53 PM

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lusty trail I just bought some new ram that is 3200mhz, but my current ram is only 3000mhz. ...

its better that the ram in your system be similar to each other so that everything will run smoothly

stark laurel Nov 30, 2020, 12:53 PM

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Like if you know the exact model of your RAM right now, I'd get that same model

lusty trail Nov 30, 2020, 12:54 PM

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yeah ok... But isn't it possible do underclock the 3200mhz to 3000mhz?

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That's what I've heard

fickle flax Nov 30, 2020, 12:55 PM

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how many sticks of 3200mhz and 3000mhz do you have?

lusty trail Nov 30, 2020, 12:55 PM

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2x 8gb 3000 and 2x 8gb 3200

fickle flax Nov 30, 2020, 12:55 PM

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and why not match the existing 3000mhz or upgraded all your ram to 3200mhz?

lusty trail Nov 30, 2020, 12:55 PM

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I found some cheap 3200mhz

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That's why I bought some 3200 instead of 3000

fickle flax Nov 30, 2020, 12:56 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/87dh9z/pairing_2x8gb_3000_mhz_ram_with_2x16gb_3200_mhz/

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might be worth a read

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https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/can-i-pair-a-3000mhz-ram-with-a-3200mhz-ram.3227490/

Tom's Hardware Forum

Can I pair a 3000MHz RAM with a 3200MHz RAM?

Hello there.

I currently have a G.Skill TridentZ RGB 3000MHz 8GB ram stick. I want to upgrade my ram to 16GB. So I'm willing to buy another 8GB stick of ram. But unfortunately, I can't find a 3000MHz ram at this moment, the only available option for me is to buy a ram stick of 3200MHz...

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also this

lusty trail Nov 30, 2020, 12:58 PM

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That's exactly what I've been looking for! Thank you 🙂 I will be looking into that

autumn furnace Nov 30, 2020, 2:17 PM

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All of a sudden, as im looking to upgrade my computer, and have my cart filled with the items i would like to buy, my ram, which has been fine for years goes from 16gb, to showing up as 8gb in windows and the bios, not even just usuable 8, installed 8 gb of ram

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Since im upgrading it, i don't know if its entirely neccacary to try and fix it rn or just deal with it until I build the new one

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Cause it works but its just half the ammount of memory in the actual computer for now

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 2:49 PM

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You might have installed the memory incorrectly so it isn't registering the other stick, either in the wrong slots or they're not in properly

naive pendant Nov 30, 2020, 2:49 PM

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is it easy to update bios if I get the new ryzen 5000 series cpu?

prisma nymph Nov 30, 2020, 2:50 PM

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If you motherboard has a bios flashback button, yes

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Or if you already have a ryzen cpu

naive pendant Nov 30, 2020, 2:52 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y9Pwqp is this a good build and does this mobo bios have flashback button

System Builder

prisma nymph Nov 30, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Is there a reason you need the x570 board compared to a b550?

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Because there might be one somewhere, and I’m just blind but I’m really surprised I don’t see a bios flashback

boreal tundra Nov 30, 2020, 2:55 PM

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How can i use a flash back button and does Msi B-550 A Pro have it ?

naive pendant Nov 30, 2020, 2:55 PM

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im building my first pc and i dont really know the difference between those two.

prisma nymph Nov 30, 2020, 2:55 PM

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But the b550 aorus pro ac has one

naive pendant Nov 30, 2020, 2:56 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/phJJkX is it better now with b550 aorus pro ac?

System Builder

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I would change that ram to cl16

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Aside from that, the build is decent.

tacit hemlock Nov 30, 2020, 4:10 PM

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hey @hollow thorn the 10850k is on a crazy sale rn so I copped one for my friend and I'm trying to decide on mobo. You think the Aorus z490 Elite AC is a good pair? I don't really see an objection but i just wanted to double check lol

normal tapir Nov 30, 2020, 4:11 PM

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What’s the difference between x570 hero and the dark hero? Also is it worth it to wait for Dark hero?

gentle fulcrum Nov 30, 2020, 4:28 PM

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is it worth waiting fro 5800x over 3900x?

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im doing that lovely 1080p gaming and some video editing/recording

spiral bane Nov 30, 2020, 4:34 PM

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So my friend is putting a nee motherboard and cpu in his build but the ez debug light flashes

deep vigil Nov 30, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Which one

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What motherboard

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Or what color

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@spiral bane

spiral bane Nov 30, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Hold up

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I got an intel I 9 10900K and a msi mpg z490 and it flashes white

deep vigil Nov 30, 2020, 4:36 PM

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@spiral bane could you be more specific on the mobo?

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Also if it is a msi board I belive there should be a word next to the light lit up

spiral bane Nov 30, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Idk anything about this motherboard

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tawny needle Nov 30, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Where? 👀

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Pixx, how much did that cost?

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Should be fine

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@tacit hemlock don't think there's anything wrong with it, on mobile rn, I assume you've checked vrm tier list already?

spiral bane Nov 30, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Idk not mine

deep vigil Nov 30, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@spiral bane can you ask him tk check which light the light is on?

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It should be next to one of the following

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spiral bane Nov 30, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Cpu

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@deep vigil the cpu light

deep vigil Nov 30, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Tell him to make sure the cpu 8/4 pin is connected

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Then if that doesn’t work I would try re installing the cpi

spiral bane Nov 30, 2020, 4:45 PM

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So take the cpu out and putting it back in

lethal glacier Nov 30, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Yes

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Double check pins aren’t messed up

spiral bane Nov 30, 2020, 4:47 PM

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He said there is only a 8pin no to plug in no 4

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There is a 8 pin but not a 4 pin @deep vigil

tacit hemlock Nov 30, 2020, 4:48 PM

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hollow thorn <@354316598439313419> don't think there's anything wrong with it, on mobile rn, ...

I actually didn't lol im lazy

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I'll check then

tacit hemlock Nov 30, 2020, 4:50 PM

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thx

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Looks good

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tacit hemlock Nov 30, 2020, 4:51 PM

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preciate it

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I don't like finding things on the tier list lol

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Lel nor do I

tacit hemlock Nov 30, 2020, 4:52 PM

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lol

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Esp on mobile

fallen bridge Nov 30, 2020, 4:52 PM

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so I’m the one with the CPU that won’t detect I’ve tried resocketing like 10 times and my plugs seem fine so I need both the 8 and 4 pin for it even to detect?

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 4:52 PM

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I'm always not sure of I was looking at the right row

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@fallen bridge just 8 pin

fallen bridge Nov 30, 2020, 4:53 PM

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I have be 8 pin in and everything my CPU easy debug light keeps coming on not sure what to do pins look fine

spiral bane Nov 30, 2020, 4:53 PM

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He is also building it on carpet🤦

lethal glacier Nov 30, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Do you have an extra cpu power cord? I built mine and the 1st cpu power cord was defective lol

fallen bridge Nov 30, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I just unplugged a old motherboard and used same power cord

lethal glacier Nov 30, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Gotcha

fallen bridge Nov 30, 2020, 4:56 PM

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and as long as I’m not like dragging my feet on the carpet with socks on and I touch the case first I should be fine

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If I really think it’s he CPU intel will definitely send me another one if I contact them they are really good about it

lethal glacier Nov 30, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Could try using it with the old mobo if compatible.

fallen bridge Nov 30, 2020, 4:58 PM

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sadly it’s not I can try to bring my pc somewhere and check by doing that but I don’t want to have to do that

autumn furnace Nov 30, 2020, 4:59 PM

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@violet zealot The computer was working for about 2 years with a couple cleanings in between but i have never taken the ram out of the slots since i built the thing

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I did, and tried reinstalling them but they still didn't register the other 8 gigs of memory

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All of a sudden while I was just using the computer it seemed oddly slow so I checked task manager and it said that there were only 8 gb of ram installed on the comptuer

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computer*

lethal glacier Nov 30, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Well I guess the only thing left would be to contact whoever about warranty. As long as power is plugged in where it should be and cpu is in and locked down without bent pins of course.

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@fallen bridge

fallen bridge Nov 30, 2020, 5:01 PM

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okay thanks

last lynx Nov 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Hey dudes, Im tryna order a ASUS X570-E ROG Strix Gaming AMD AM4 ATX Mobo but where I originally intended to order it form was microcenter after realizing they dont have it in stock I'm considering ordering it from a site called "nextwarehouse" Only reason why im posting this here is cause I wanna know if the site is legit or not.

edgy egret Nov 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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i wouldnt

devout mothBOT Nov 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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BiggerOof#1716 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

edgy egret Nov 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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seems like a bad company from what i see

last lynx Nov 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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got it, thanks for the heads up.

fallen bridge Nov 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Does anyone know if maybe my cpu isn’t detecting because my motherboard is in forced diagnostic mode and can’t post so it’s really my motherboard not knowing what’s happening and not the cpu?

oblique pulsar Nov 30, 2020, 5:35 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236551?Item=N82E16820236551

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should i get this now or wait

hollow thorn Nov 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Why that kit

oblique pulsar Nov 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Because i already have a 3600mhz ram

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that exact same

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i already have 16

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and i want to get 32

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@hollow thorn

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@edgy egret asus isnt i use a b450 mobo its really good i would recommend plus they dropped the price on it finally

edgy egret Nov 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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not asus

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the resellser

median badge Nov 30, 2020, 6:00 PM

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what are good cpus that would go well with the 3070

sonic maple Nov 30, 2020, 6:01 PM

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anything above ryzen 5 3600 or intel i7-8700k imo

pliant cypress Nov 30, 2020, 6:01 PM

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3600/5600x should be fine with 3070

sonic maple Nov 30, 2020, 6:01 PM

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just copped a ryzen 9 3900XT for $300 tho😳😳

violet zealot Nov 30, 2020, 6:04 PM

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The game performance difference in games between those cpus aren't really huge. Though I do think more threads is important for longevity

cloud idol Nov 30, 2020, 6:13 PM

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yo i need help

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rn

tough wyvern Nov 30, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Honestly a 3600 is fine with my 3080 right now.

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I put a 3600 in this computer as a placeholder while my 5900x is on backorder, and it's not had an issue anywhere really, other then some productivity stuff which I already expected with a 3600.

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Nothing game related though.

supple cradle Nov 30, 2020, 6:28 PM

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No drop on AMD Ryzen 9 5950x?

gritty ocean Nov 30, 2020, 6:35 PM

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managed to snag a 5800x

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not in my system yet, technically a christmas gift

south swan Nov 30, 2020, 6:36 PM

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This is going to sound really dumb, so feel free to laugh. But when a motherboard advertises 1,000 megabit per second Ethernet, will it actually cap out at that speed, or does the real limit vary by board?

gritty ocean Nov 30, 2020, 6:37 PM

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it should realistically cap at 1 gigabit, yeah

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it might go a BIT over

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but it really depends on what you're using for ethernet

south swan Nov 30, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Ok, thanks 🙂