cpus-mobo-and-memory

[ember knot]

I'm good, I got mine

[vast halo]

It seems to me that things are going "in stock" enough to sell a few CPUs, but the people who are able to snag them are getting ship dates in January?

Not that I'm in a hurry... I'm just not sure what newegg (or other retailers) are waiting for to let people buy them.

[glad lodge]

Any news on Asus Dark Hero VIII motherboard?

[split trout]

Would the 5600x at all work for the 6800xt?

[wild moat]

it should

[ember knot]

Yes?

[silver pewter]

Anyone have experiance with this brand? Building for a friend and she really wants 16gb of ram

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T637L7T?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[fallen lynx]

team group is fairly well known

[midnight pollen]

whats the cpu for the system

[silver pewter]

Ryzen 3600 CPU

[supple monolith]

I'm really debating getting the R7 3700X instead of the R5 5600X since the 5600x is still OOS

[desert sundial]

they just keep on releasing ryzen 7 5800x combo deals on newegg

[hollow kraken]

doesn't the 5600x have like a smart core and cache thing?

they're all on a single die or something

[obsidian peak]

Anyone facing green boot led issue on windows restart and not the 1st boot? Got asus b550f gaming.

[fallen lynx]

@hollow kraken each core has access to all of the cache, instead of having it split between the CCXs

[silver pewter]

I'm having a really hard time picking up 3600's for $200. Should I just pay the extra $20 and get 3600x?

[supple monolith]

Alright, I'm going for it. Two more cores... only a little slower and $20 less money

Plus I can actually buy it before the 35th

[patent jewel]

Honestly that makes sense and somewhat contemplating doing the same thing @supple monolith

[supple monolith]

Make your decision before the black friday sale on the 3700x ends

rn it's $280

[patent jewel]

I might as well stick with the 5600x as I won't build until January so

[supple monolith]

Fair. I would go for that just b/c it's newer all, but it's a Christmas present

and you could argue that it's better if you do productivity w/ the more cores

[patent jewel]

Yeah I will if I cant find any by then

[naive kernel]

guys i might need some help with my rgb

[neon sigil]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164205?Description=ram&cm_re=ram-_-20-164-205-_-Product

hows this ram?

[fallen lynx]

Ballistix is usually very good

get 32gb

[naive kernel]

i have a lian li mesh II and i can’t find the ports for rgb lighting

like the 5v

[fallen lynx]

what do you mean by ports?

[naive kernel]

ballistix works well for me

[fallen lynx]

MB connectors?

[naive kernel]

can i send pictures in here

[supple monolith]

trigger pulled:

[neon sigil]

i dont really need 32 gb i think

damn

i just checked

[patent jewel]

Nice

[neon sigil]

how does the 5600x beat the 3700x in multicore

or does it?

userbenchmark sus

[fallen lynx]

theres a tech deals youtube video about it

[patent jewel]

Legit haven't seen it in stock on Newegg, Amazon, or Best buy at all :(

[supple monolith]

yeah, a little. https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_7_3700x-929-vs-amd_ryzen_5_5600x-1750

[neon sigil]

i see

[patent jewel]

Multicore 3700x and single core 5600x

[neon sigil]

honestly ive been using an i5 4200m for like

8 years now?

i think i can wait a few more months

[supple monolith]

fair

[neon sigil]

wait did you upgrade from a 9900k to a 3700x

or is this

for someone else

[supple monolith]

I'm sticking with my with my i9-9900k till next gen amd

This is for my sis

[neon sigil]

i see

yeah i saw your specs and i was like wait -

[supple monolith]

lol

[neon sigil]

lmao

[supple monolith]

I mean I was tempted, but I can't really justify it

Plus I'd want the best AMD has to offer

and $$$

[neon sigil]

yep you seem like you want the best

2080 ti

d a m n

i think ill take hit on multicore

im looking for a 5600x and a 3070

which is understandably IMPOSSIBLE

[violet zealot]

Better luck next quarter I'd say

[neon sigil]

actually i just got one

i mean i couldve but im lazy

it was a combo deal

from newegg

is the xc3 good?

[silver pewter]

Is the 3600x worth $220? Was wanting to grab a couple 3600 for 200 but can't find any for that price.

[supple monolith]

I'm hoping to snatch a 3070 too

But I'll throw in a spare 1660 ti if I can't get one in time for Christmas

I put myself on an evga wait-list

[violet zealot]

Those wait lists seem like a good idea, but then you'll probably just end up waiting forever and will be able to buy one eventually anyway before you even come close to being next

[desert sundial]

You get the ram combo?

[ashen thorn]

Anybody heard any news on when the 5000 series will be back in stock?

[neon sigil]

It was the intel mobo

Actually it was there my dad forgot his paypal

So order didn't go through

[tribal yoke]

could be becuase it may have less c/t but its c/ts are more powerfull

[tribal yoke]

sometime in 2021 maybe 2022, basicly whenever covid dies off

[neon sigil]

Ye

[ashen thorn]

Thanks @tribal yoke

[tribal yoke]

ye

[glad lodge]

Anyone here got any news on the Asus Crosshair Dark Hero VIII release date

[jaunty rose]

So my msi mobo’s dram light is always lit but the system boots up fine and ram is working fine... anyone know why? I tried resetting cmos and reseating the ram and changing to new ram - no luck in getting rid of the light

[spare gyro]

Can’t believe I snagged one today 😋

[late pine]

Ayyyyy

We love to see it

[outer epoch]

Does AMD Ryzen 3800X cpu come with thermal paste?

[silent lichen]

I'm fighting the urge to upgrade my threadripper 1200x to 2950x... not sure its really worth it (from a will I actually max out 16 cores or not)

[violet zealot]

If it comes with a cooler, then it does have thermal paste pre-applied

I believe it does come with one actually

[burnt frost]

Should I buy my own thermal paste or is the stock one good enough?

[gritty meadow]

@burnt frost stock is generally good enough

[burnt frost]

Aight, saved a few bucks then haha, thanks!

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome :)

[violet zealot]

I've heard of the paste on the ryzen stock coolers being kinda sticky. So it could be beneficial to replace it, I've heard of people accidentally pulling the cpu out of the socket damaging pins before

Probably not super common though

[gritty meadow]

@violet zealot its not super sticky, its that people dont twist the cooler

because the am4 socket does not have a guard against it

look at the intel sockets, they have a part of the "latch/guard" that goes over the IHS

[violet zealot]

I know why it happens, but still it's something I've heard of generally: the paste I mean.

[flat gorge]

hey y'all, I have a Asrock z77 extreme 4 mobo runnin with a i5-3570k cpu, I want to upgrade my mobo any suggestions? thanks 😄

[jaunty rose]

Ah crap, the stock cooler paste gets stuck on cpu?

[gritty meadow]

@jaunty rose no, not more than any other paste

[jaunty rose]

I am gonna replace it tomorrow on my 5600x... should I unlock the metal tab from the cpu?

[gritty meadow]

the only thing you need to remember is this: after you have unscrewed/un-latched your cooler, TWIST, do not pull.

[jaunty rose]

So twisting won’t bend the pins?

[gritty meadow]

physically impossible to do that if you just twist

[jaunty rose]

I figure twisting might bend them

But I guess makes sense that it’s harder to do that when thousands of pins are secured in the holes

[gritty meadow]

there is also a small "lip" on the socket

[jaunty rose]

Btw, I usb flash updated my b550 to support 5600x but I had the 5600x already installed on the mobo when it did the bios flash - is this why my dram debug light is still on?

[gritty meadow]

normally no

you did read the manual for how the procedure is done right?

[jaunty rose]

Yeah, it said to flash mobo with only psu connection

[gritty meadow]

and what did it say about the LEDs?

[jaunty rose]

Prior to cpu installation

Dram led means dram issue or cpu is incompatible - but I been able to post and run the pc fine

[gritty meadow]

if the machine, by your words, works fine, then what is your question?

[jaunty rose]

Why is dram debug light still on?

[gritty meadow]

because something is wrong with your ram

[jaunty rose]

I tested two kits

Ram doesn’t have any issues

[gritty meadow]

talk with the OEM

i can only tell you the the LED does not light up for the fun of it :)

[jaunty rose]

Ooof

[jaunty rose]

Updating to latest bios fixed the issue whewww. Thanks for the help lol

[gritty meadow]

happy to hear

best of luck with the new build

[late pine]

Lol what

What's the point of an empty cpu box

[rigid condor]

My cpu is running 98-105 degrees and it’s on a laptop is that bad or normal

[cedar leaf]

That is very bad

Depending on the Laptop

What laptop is it?

[rigid condor]

Asus gaming one

Gl703 I think

[cedar leaf]

That's why

It's Asus

They are pretty eh on thermals

HP and Lenovo are much better for gaming laptop thermals

But overall 98 degrees should be peak for a laptop

If it's going over then that's not good

It should be fine but it souldn't be that high

[rigid condor]

Ok thanks might have to get it re thermal pasted

[cedar leaf]

Yeah

Maybe

But it's just Asus

[naive pendant]

yall think the msi b550m mag mortar wifi is a good pairing with the ryzen 7 2700x for a 1200 pc?

[cedar leaf]

That seems a little overkill

I would spend a little less on the mobo and get a 3700

You get a better CPU

They dropped the process node from 12nm to 7nm which makes it more efficient

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant Can't do that

Zen+ doesn't go on B550 boards

just get like a 3600 for the B550 board

[alpine hawk]

anyone know if coolermaster elv8 is compatible with asus x570 tuf gaming mobo?

[violet zealot]

That's a graphics card holder, as far as I can tell the motherboard has nothing to do with it

[alpine hawk]

its rgb

[violet zealot]

Unless you're referring to the ARGB that it has

I don't know if the TUF board has ARGB headers

Let me see

[alpine hawk]

only 4 pin as far as i can tell do you know if they make adapters for such things?

[violet zealot]

There are hubs and splitters

[alpine hawk]

the bracket only comes 3 pin but said its compatible with asus which is why i purchased

[violet zealot]

ARGB headers are 3 pin

It has one just above the 24pin ATX power

[alpine hawk]

ah ok just the 1 i guess

[violet zealot]

So you'll need some kind hub or splitter

[alpine hawk]

thank you good sir

[tardy ether]

hey guys. im trying to make a budget pc. is the rhyzen 3400 with radeon vega good enoguh?

[prisma nymph]

3400 is solid

[steep crest]

Hey will my Corsair vengeance lpx 3600hmz 18c ram work with ryzen? Because the box says intel and yeah. Just wondering because if not I’m goin to pick up the ram in Newegg that’s on sale

[vivid pewter]

Is there a vrm difference between the aorus b550 elite ax and the aorus b550 pro ac?

[gritty patio]

@vivid pewter you'd have to look at reviews

[tardy ether]

is radeon vega 11 int graphics that bad?

[prisma nymph]

No, Vega 11 is quite good

Comparable to a 1030 if I remember correctly

[vivid pewter]

Is the aorus elite ax just the aorus elite with wifi?

[naive pendant]

looking for a cpu (intel intergrated grapfics) for a 500$ machine (not including perifeals and windows itself) above 2 Ghz and at or more then 4 core for gaming (games like minecraft roblox) with maybe streaming, I check online but there all hella expenisve

cousin refuses to listen when i say go amd

[gritty patio]

Why doesn't he go amd lmao

@naive pendant

Tell him I said go amd

[vivid pewter]

If a specific memory kit is not on the motherboard qvl list will it not work?

[fierce jasper]

it probably will

[cosmic pagoda]

Can someone explain the important difference between AMD Ryzen 9 5950X and Ryzen 9 3950X ?

[gritty patio]

faster clock speeds i believe @cosmic pagoda

better benchmarks scores etc.

[fierce jasper]

5950X is much better for single core preformance

and better for multicore

[visual heron]

because AMD doesn't have any good value chips for a $500 budget

I mean, 3100 has a split CCX, high core latency, and worse gaming performance, than something like a 10100/f

3300x is never in stock

and 3600 is stupidly overpriced

[visual heron]

10100/f

However

You can get a GPU in that $500 system

[silver pewter]

@visual heron if you're looking for a 3600 at $200 keep an eye on Best Buy. They drop a few a day for 200.

[patent jewel]

I saw a backorder for 5600x on amazon and was to late 😦

[glad lodge]

Any news on the drop dates of Asus Crosshair Dark Hero VIII?

[naive pendant]

her father likes intel :_

[naive pendant]

any suggestions for a gpu?

[visual heron]

As for the GPU, I strongly recommend you go used, because then you can fit in a 1070ti, however if you can't, should definitely fit in a 1660/s

Pretty sure ventus is going for $210, not the greatest model, but it'll work fine

[naive pendant]

okay thanks 🙂

[zealous fable]

3300x or 3600 for gaming?

[frozen schooner]

5600x

[topaz atlas]

3600 prices are crap

[tardy ether]

hey guys is a rhyzen 3400g with radeon vega a good pick for budget build?

[violet zealot]

It's alright, you can play things at 720p/900p relatively well

[tardy ether]

ok thank you.

[zealous fable]

What should I do? Wait for zen 3, buy 3300x, or buy 3600?

[violet zealot]

You'd have to pull a miracle to be able to even get a 3300X

That's probably even more scarce than Zen 3

[zealous fable]

If I could, should I?

Because I found one I can preorder rn

On a reliable sight

*site

[violet zealot]

I wouldn't unless you had a pretty low budget, and at the same time I wouldn't count on those backorders. I've heard they've been on backorder for months

You would sooner get a 5600X than get a 3300X I think, I say that confidently

[zealous fable]

How much would the 5600x cost though?

[violet zealot]

The 5600X is 299

[zealous fable]

That's not in my price range.

[violet zealot]

And unfortunately while the 3600 might be 199 normally it is also kind of thin right now

Everyone's been buying them so you can only get them for 249 now

Which at that point, get a 3600XT or spend $30 more for a 3700X on sale

[zealous fable]

Should I just wait for zen 3, assume the price of 3600 is gonna drop

[violet zealot]

3600s I would expect restock in a few weeks maybe, if to goes on sale it has gone as low as $170

I wouldn't necessarily expect that price though, but it's plausible. That's how much it was going for in the summer

[zealous fable]

I was thinking I should save $80 with the 3300x, and then use that towards the gpu. Now I'm questioning that choice, because titles may now move towards high core/high thread performance because of the new consoles

[violet zealot]

Well modern titles have already moved up in thread use

AAA specifically

8 threads is the absolute minimum, and soon it will be 12 threads

[glad lodge]

Any news on the drop dates of Asus Crosshair Dark Hero VIII?

[violet zealot]

The Newegg product page says it's ETA is the 27th

Though I dunno how true that is

I suppose it's an Estimate so it's all there is to go off of

[tribal yoke]

although zen 3 is better, zen 2 was still amazing

and the ryzen 9 is like 12c 24t

[violet zealot]

I might end up picking up a 3900X down the line along with a mobo uprade tbh

[long basalt]

I think I finally found my holy grail motherboard.

The MSI B550M Mortar Wi-Fi

[violet zealot]

Yeah, really wanted a mico board with wifi huh?

It's a good board

[long basalt]

Well, it's more that it has every feature needed to slap in an O11 Dynamic Mini

[violet zealot]

Basically Tomahawk shrunk down

[long basalt]

It's one of the FOUR B550/X570 mATX boards with a USB-C Front Panel Header

The others are all also MSI boards.

But, I'm planning on slapping a 5600X in this, so I'd rather have a little more VRM room than needed

[naive pendant]

Is this strictly CPU discussions or can it also be troubleshooting discussions

[midnight pollen]

troubleshooting is fine here

[cinder garden]

I'm looking to build a couple of ZFS servers for a small home business. what ryzen cpu + mobo combos are recommended that support ECC memory?

[naive pendant]

I see

Well my issue is my CPU isn't turboing

Ryzen 5 3600, base is 3.6, turbo is 4.2

And it's stuck at base, i can change it on bios and force it to run at 4.2 and it works but it's not automatically turboing to 4.2

[hollow thorn]

It doesn't always turbo

It boosts whenever it feels like it

That's stock behavior

[naive pendant]

Yea but even if i run cinebench

It stays at 3.6

It didn't do that before

[modest ice]

multi thread will probably do that

single core should boost

[naive pendant]

All cores are stuck at 3.6

[modest ice]

Yur temps are good?

[naive pendant]

Before when i ran cinebench it would turbo up

Yes

32ºC

[modest ice]

What did you do since?

[naive pendant]

As i said, it didn't do this before

Nothing much really

Don't know since when it's been like that

But it must be recent

[modest ice]

Ok

[naive pendant]

I don't have ryzen master installed so it can't be that

[modest ice]

Maybe check if there's a bios update

[naive pendant]

I just updated the BIOS

[hollow thorn]

Standard boost behavior boosts up for single core loads and goes to base for all core afaik

[modest ice]

It might be a good idea to check ryzen master

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant should download Ryzen master to see per-core behavior

[modest ice]

You know what else might be a good idea?

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[hollow thorn]

store.gamersnexus.net

That's our sponsor for the day

[modest ice]

XD

[naive pendant]

Gonna install that then

What should i be looking for exactly in there

[hollow thorn]

Just look at each core

See the freq during normal use

Pretty sure stock behavior goes down near base clocks when you hit it with all core load, not completely sure tho

[naive pendant]

i mean i can already see the frequency with HWmonitor

And it's just stuck at 3.6

Even if i run cinebench

[hollow thorn]

Get ryzen master open and see

Dunno about hwmonitor

[modest ice]

I don't see how less visibility is a valid argument

[naive pendant]

When i boot up the system and open it quickly it turboes but then gets stuck at 3.6 after a bit

[hollow thorn]

Hm?

[naive pendant]

But like i said, i didn't have ryzen master installed then

[modest ice]

It could be an issue with hw monitor

[hollow thorn]

Either way Ryzen master will tell us things

[naive pendant]

The peak speed dial shows an average of 2.4Ghz

just idling atm

[hollow thorn]

Look at each core

Run cinebench

[naive pendant]

running cinebench they're at 3.6 exactly

all cores 3.6

Doesn't turbo at all

Like i said, I've done cinebench tests before and it would turbo at about 4.0/4.1Ghz

[hollow thorn]

Try cinebench single core

[naive pendant]

none of them are reaching 3.6Ghz

i currently have 8 gigs of ddr3 - do i need to upgrade to 16 ddr4 for valorant?

in single core test

[split copper]

Uhh

Get more ddr3 lol

[naive pendant]

oh, so it's better than ddr4?

[split copper]

You can't use DDR4 on a DDR3 platform

[naive pendant]

It'll just be cheaper and more convenient for you

You wouldn't need to change motherboard etc

ah

i see :/

i'm not sure why my intel dual core isn't working too well on simply games like mc.. any suggestions?

[split copper]

Lower settings

[naive pendant]

they're on the lowest settings yet i still get roughly 45fps at most

[split copper]

And a cpu upgrade

What CPU + GPU?

[naive pendant]

i don't think i even have a gpu

Intel HD Graphics 6000 1536 MB

i'm on a mac for now

ugh unpaid internship life 😦

Don't buy apple if you want anything decent for your money

[split copper]

They

Already have the apple tho lol

Too late for that advice

[naive pendant]

I know

Just don't do it again

that m1 does look juicy

lmao

but it's 1800 so i might as well buy a ps5 at this point

[gritty meadow]

nothing wrong with buying a mac if that is what you want

[naive pendant]

there are offerup pcs that have higher specs than any retail mac but idk if it'll be too worth it

[split copper]

What CPU does the Mac have? @naive pendant

[naive pendant]

i5

[split copper]

i5 6th gen dual core

What's the model number of the CPU?

[naive pendant]

just says i5

1.8 ghz

[split copper]

i5-5350U

[naive pendant]

it's the mid 2017 model

[split copper]

It should get okay framerates at low settings

What screen resolution do you use for Minecraft?

[naive pendant]

the max, so 1440x900 i think

mrmaniac, do you want my company laptop?

[split copper]

I'm using an i5-2450M laptop, which is 2.5 to 3.1 GHz, and a few years older, it gets okay framerates

[naive pendant]

dang that's nutty

[naive pendant]

is it normal that ryzen master likes to randomly crash

[hollow thorn]

randomly crash no

unresponsive while you're doing other stuff yea

[naive pendant]

seems to just crash randomly while I'm hovering my mouse around it

[midnight pollen]

Apple not very specific with their processors

[modest ice]

At this point I would clear SMOS and run a live ubuntu

*CMOS

[midnight pollen]

Ah yes smos

[modest ice]

It's a cmos 2000

the smos

[hollow thorn]

welp use ryzen master to set stuff if you want it to run at 4.2ghz :P

[split copper]

smh

it was easy enough to deduce what the CPU was by igpu model, clock speed

[naive pendant]

Ye but like i said, it didn't do this before

idk what could have been the cause

Might have been some windows update that fudged it up or something

i mean i could just set it to run constantly at 4.2 in the bios and not have to deal with ryzen master

[modest cove]

how does a Xeon E5 2670v3 perform in comparison to today's CPUs?

[naive pendant]

But makes no sense that it's acting strange now

[hollow thorn]

@modest cove
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Xeon-E5-2650-v3-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/2344vs3481

3600 pretty fair cpu for today

[split copper]

multicore is good, but single thread is lacking

[fierce jasper]

I mean the 5600x is only $50 more then it’s single thread is great and multicore even beter

[split copper]

I'm talking about the 10 core Xeon

it wouldn't be a good fit for certain things like games because of that lacking single thread performance

3600 is easily better for single threaded applications

[modest ice]

Oh for sure

Xeon are low clock

2.3ghz

Ew, reminds me of my phenom 9500

AMD's stock is doing ok lately

I wonder when the new epyc chips will get announced 🤔

I'm currently up a little over two points on my position

[split copper]

10 core tho lol

[modest ice]

And you'll do what with them? Run 10 things very slowly?

[split copper]

if you want just multithreaded performance, it's still fine

[modest ice]

Not even man

I think a 2700x could do better

[split copper]

yea lmao

[modest ice]

Neverming a 5900x

or 5800x

Heck even a 5600x would probably multi task worlds better

I mean if you get it for free

And the alternative in as e-machine from 2001

Then yes it's a clear win

[split copper]

you can get the 10 core Xeon for 78 bucks lol

[modest ice]

Not worth it

Unles you get mobo + memory for free

[hollow thorn]

meh

if you get cheapo board and mem worth it

[violet zealot]

I get the idea of getting an old Xeon on the cheap, but outside of getting the full platform for like $50 or something It's really not worth the effort

[hollow thorn]

like if you can get board chip and like 16gb ecc ram for like 150$ it's good

[modest ice]

The problem with these cheap xeons is that it only looks good on paper

[violet zealot]

I think even Bulldozer kind of beat the multicore performance of Xeons

[modest ice]

More or less

[violet zealot]

And I would never recommend a Bulldozer chip

[modest ice]

Bulldozers have frequency advantage

But IPC is terrible

So is FPU performance

Bot are great if received as a gift to someone who has zero computer

But I mean, a 2500k is arguably better

[violet zealot]

I would probably go a step further and say an i7 920 is a better choice

[modest ice]

Within range nonetheless

[hollow thorn]

I mean

[modest ice]

It all boils down to how bad do you want to be able to say you're using a xeon as a pc

[violet zealot]

Well you could probably get one for like 5-10 bucks probably

[hollow thorn]

single core wise
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-920-vs-Intel-Xeon-E5-2650-v3/834vs2344

920 is behind the xeon

[modest ice]

920 doesn't have the turbo advantage

At least 2500k wins single threaded by ~9% on passmark

So for the average user it would be advantageous

Sandy bridge was really revolutionary for its time

Unfortunately for intel they haven't progressed all that much since then

More of the same in small increments

Or excrements if you will

Anyway my verdict on cheap xeons: Can be fun, not worth it from gamers or enthusiasts

Uhn tss uhn tss uhn tss baby

[modest cove]

Aw man

[cinder garden]

just need some confirmation. ryzen 3700x or 3800x and asrock b550m mobo will support ECC memory?

nemix ddr4-2666 memory works as ECC memory for such setup?

[modest ice]

which b550m?

It seems to be a standard feature

[marble onyx]

is ryzen 5000 compatible with x570 boards out of the box without a bios update or any updates

[hollow thorn]

Not guaranteed

Some will be updated some won't, even with the same model

[marble onyx]

ok thanks

[modest ice]

AMD: "ECC is not disabled. It works, but not validated for our consumer client platform.

Validated means run it through server/workstation grade testing. For the first Ryzen processors, focused on the prosumer/gaming market, this feature is enabled and working but not validated by AMD. You should not have issues creating a whitebox homelab or NAS with ECC memory enabled.

yes, if you enable ECC support in the BIOS so check with the MB feature list before you buy."

In theory it works but is not officially supported

[cinder garden]

I'm looking at three b550m mogos: steel legend, b550m-hdv, and b550m pro4. I'm just being careful so I'm not dissapointed b/c I misunderstood description text.

Thanks Bluekoala. well, i guess It'll work; I hope I don't run into hiccups.
Is there any "supported" options for ECC other than outright buying server boxes?

[modest ice]

Not really

Maybe in HEDT

Like Threadripper

[cinder garden]

yeah, I looked at threadripper; just a not in my budget.

Again, thanks!!

[patent jewel]

I have seen reviews about the B550 aorus pro ac having bios problems is that a rare problem or should J be scared about it

[modest ice]

Better question is: Has it been fixed?

[patent jewel]

It looks like people are still having the issue

Should I be scared and refund it?

[modest ice]

Your call

[patent jewel]

I do have until Jan 31st to see if it has the problems so

[modest cove]

Is there a way to unlock a locked cpu?

Just asking

Well

I need to

[modest ice]

I mean if you already have it in your possession you may as well try it out

An intel locked CPU?

[modest cove]

Yes

[modest ice]

Short answer is no

[modest cove]

Long answer?

[modest ice]

Hacked bioses

And even that's a maybe

[modest cove]

This is an OEM pc (Dell Precision T5810)(chipset C612) is there a hacked bios for this?

[modest ice]

Probably not

The hacked bioses are usually from very obscure chinese manufacturers

You should probably go with the short answer with this one

[modest cove]

Uhhhhh

I found one for this specific pc

The internet is such a wonderful thing

now I need a usb drive reeeeeeee

[fallen lynx]

good luck not bricking your PC

[modest cove]

Thx, ill need it lmfao

[vivid pewter]

If a specific memory kit is not on the mobos qvl list will it not work?

[topaz atlas]

There are probably some work arounds to HAVE it work, maybe not stable with the work around but you could

[fallen lynx]

it will usually still work

USUALLY

[vivid pewter]

Crucial ballistix 3600 cl16 or gskill ripjaws 5 3600 cl16?

[split copper]

yes

[prisma nymph]

whichevers cheapest i think

[modest cove]

Wow it came next day

[frozen palm]

Should I get g.skill ripjaw 3200mhz cl16 or 3600mhz cl18

I am getting a ryzen 5600x

[violet zealot]

Neither look for 3600 cl16

[gritty patio]

W

[frozen palm]

I was looking to spend around $80

[violet zealot]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880

[fallen lynx]

that costs more tho

[frozen palm]

$80 Cad

Not american

[violet zealot]

In that case, between 3200 cl16 and 3600 cl18 get the latter. The latency difference is about the same anyway too

[rigid sluice]

If i wanted to run minecraft java with like 200mods
Whats the best CPU to keep the Tick rate high/aka not laggy

Would something like a old E5-2690 or two work?

Or more specifically as a minecraft server with maybe like 5-6 people at most

with 200 or so mods

Or would this be something that would be more dependent on the Users/client side hardware?

[fallen lynx]

you should probably find some minecraft people to answer that

[rigid sluice]

idk where to find those

do i just go to the largest minecraft java discord server i can find?

[fallen lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-robert-downey-jr-sherlock-holmes-rdj-gif-4384335

[silver pewter]

3600 in stock on Best Buy for 200

[modest ice]

Great deal

But wake me up when 5900X are in stock for 800$ CAD

Or perhaps I could buy a 3600x now, use it until I can get a 5900x and 6800xt

Then upgrade my son's FX4100 to the 3600x

🤔

[rigid sluice]

Ok so now im comparing
Proccessors
How much of a IPC difference is there in Sandy-bridge
and ZEN 3? is there any kind of graphs i can look at?

[modest ice]

Not that I know of

But ballpark I would estimate 30% or more

[violet zealot]

I don't think anyone's ran that test before

[modest ice]

2500k cinebench r23 single core: 697

5600X: 1572

So you could say it's about 150%

But that's not a very good comparison IMO

[rigid sluice]

Ok so 4 ZEN 3 cores would almost beat 8 Sandy bridge cores?

[modest ice]

There's no consumer 8 core sandy AFAIK

The i7's were 4 core

[violet zealot]

Sand Bridge E I guess

[rigid sluice]

idk how to read intel info

[violet zealot]

But that's slightly different technically

[rigid sluice]

it just says sandy bridge

what ever EP means

[modest ice]

That's a xeon

[violet zealot]

Well even that's different from initial sandy bridge

[modest ice]

You're not going to save money buying cheap xeons

Unless you get it for free

[rigid sluice]

these xeons go for 50$ a piece lmao

[modest ice]

If you want a good chip for cheap try for a 3300X

Not worth it

The motherboard probably costs triple

[rigid sluice]

True but at the same time i also want throughput/number crunching ability

not just gaming

[modest ice]

Get a 3700X is an excellent bargain right now

5600X and 5800X are kind of the best of both worlds right now in terms of performance over value

Whereas the zen2 are better in terms of value over performance

But if you buy old junk for cheap you'll get exactly that

old junk

That was cheap

[violet zealot]

3700X looking real nice 👀

[rigid sluice]

The biggest proccessor i have actually interacted with was a E5-2690 and that thing blew me away

[split copper]

best I've is a 6700

[rigid sluice]

My main is still a bloody Q6600

[split copper]

rip

[rigid sluice]

So when i did a little work on a E5-2690 it blew me away

Figuratively and litterally

[modest ice]

You should probably go for something that won't blow up in your face

[rigid sluice]

The CPU cooler on that thing was something

But honestly im reallly leaning to the 2x E5-2690's

due to there Throughput

i want a mix of Throughput and gaming performance for cheap

From my experience with it, it was prettty darn good from the benchmarks i ran on it

[gritty meadow]

except its old as heck

no m.2

no nothing

[rigid sluice]

Nope x79 motherboards are still made

some with M.2

[gritty meadow]

make certain those are not mSATA instead

[split copper]

can you not use a PCIe card for m.2?

[gritty meadow]

you can, if the setup supports passing it through etc

[rigid sluice]

I have no use for M.2 as im a data hoarder so capacity is of far higher importance then speed

[split copper]

ah

[gritty meadow]

then go low power instead @rigid sluice

wide disk IO and low power cpu

[modest ice]

Look man, if you want cheap xeons get cheap xeons, we just in good faith can't recommend it

[rigid sluice]

Ok fair enough

[gritty meadow]

and build something else to actually play/work on :)

[vestal pier]

Can someone help me with my front panel connectors? The manual doesn’t explain it, I have a gigabyte b450 ds3h v1

[rigid sluice]

Owf i had that issue with chinese motherboards

[modest cove]

A thought occured

if im gonna oc the E5 2670v3 on this mobo using a hacked bios

Imma need to cool the vrms

Custom heatsink time

[gritty meadow]

also, only m.2 boards i can see, are from the "weird" Chinese brand

also, pci-e 2.0

[modest ice]

@vestal pier

[vestal pier]

Can u call me @modest ice

[modest ice]

I'm already on a call

[vestal pier]

Ah sorry

[gritty meadow]

@vestal pier ask and we can answer here

[modest ice]

Guiding a tech in another city on fixing a network switch

[rigid sluice]

indian just called me
he says his name is richard
and hes trying to tell me about my student loans

[modest ice]

Tell richard what he wants to hear

And keep him on the phone for as long as you can

[rigid sluice]

i told him that my email was

[modest ice]

And falsify information

[rigid sluice]

[e-mail]

[modest ice]

And pretend you're doing what he wants you to but you're just too incompetent

[rigid sluice]

but i only got you
Youra before he hung up

[modest ice]

And that you really want to get scammed

My record is 1h45

I was following his instructions

And I kept getting errors

I simply neglected to tell him that my laptop was running ubuntu

[violet zealot]

PrEsS tHe WiNdOwS kEy AnD tHe LeTtEr R aT tHe SaMe TiMe

[rigid sluice]

Go to Www. helpme.net

[split copper]

hey

my run window still has winver typed in lol

[rigid sluice]

am i the only one who keeps drive compression enabled? lmao

[split copper]

I think my grandma's desktop computer has it enabled on the SSD

it's a 128GB drive and it's pretty much full because of my cousin's games and emulators lol

[rigid sluice]

lmao

I have it on on all my systems

[split copper]

ah

[long geyser]

I dont, have lots o storage and want to keep that speed

[split copper]

I prefer having it off because it takes CPU resources to uncompress data

[long geyser]

also latency

[rigid sluice]

True

[split copper]

and speed too

[rigid sluice]

buttttttttttttttt when ur data hoarding on a budget its kinda useful

[long geyser]

get used HDDs

[split copper]

yeah I would prefer getting more drives over that

[long geyser]

pretty nice tbf

[rigid sluice]

Google must hate me

[split copper]

lol

nice

[midnight pollen]

you pay for unlimited storage you must use unlimited storage

[rigid sluice]

Nah i just have a sketchy google education account i bought with bitcoin

im to broke to pay for unlimited

[midnight pollen]

sad

[modest ice]

You had bitcoin

Where's the rest of your bitcoin?

[rigid sluice]

I use a backup software to backup everything to my google drive
but its a pain in the ass because it has a major flaw

[glad lodge]

Any Dark Hero VIII mobo news or launch date?

[rigid sluice]

Basically the backup software
Hashes each file. and uploads it to drive.
But then when it goes to update the drive with new things
Instead it
Has to redownload the thing on drive, Hash It, then Get the file on the local drives and hash it and then compare it.

I wish it would just keep all the hash values stored locally

so it would only read and write to drive the different things

*Google drive

[modest ice]

Cloud backups hav an even more severe flaw

[rigid sluice]

because my internet is slow
its a pain in the ass for it to redownload 2TB of data
to only update like maybe 20GB of data

[modest ice]

You're doing your backup on someone else's hard drive

[rigid sluice]

True true

but its the best i can do

im a broke 15 year old

[modest ice]

How do you end up with 2TB worth of $%&^?

[rigid sluice]

Im a data hoarder i never delete anything

but yes its greatly annoying how it has to redownload 2TB of data to only rehash it
and then rehash the local drives. to then reupdate the cloud backup with like 20GB of data

so annoying would be so much faster if it kept the Hash values for the google drive stored locally

---

But yes im broke to the point my NAS
is a 2003 Dell Dimension 8300

Yes OG Pentium 4

[modest ice]

The broke people I know don't have a NAS

[vestal pier]

How do I get to bios on a gigabyte ds3h, delete isn’t working

[rigid sluice]

My NAS is a PC i picked up at the thrift store for like 10$

[modest ice]

f10 is a popular key

[rigid sluice]

and loaded with any and all drives i could find

like the thing still runs windows xp

it has like 1.4 TB of storage

[vestal pier]

It said q-flash

For bios and i don’t understand that

[vestal pier]

Someone help with getting into bios

F10 or delete didnt work

Or f2

[modest ice]

Just spam f2

[devout moth]

Bluekoala#8840 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[modest ice]

Don't get angry at me bot

[vestal pier]

Ty

[modest ice]

You got it?

[vast granite]

Where would I check or figure out the amount of fans i could connect to my mobo headers?

[naive pendant]

I can’t get a 5600x for stock price is it really that big of a difference from the i5 10600x or should I just get that I don’t want to pay more then retail for a 4% difference

[modest ice]

Not that big of a difference

They're competitive

But the 5600X is clearly the better choice

[violet zealot]

The performance is one thing, I think the platform paints the bigger picture though

[modest ice]

If you want value you can get the 3600x it's a good value

If you want performance the 5600x is what you want

There's not really a market for intel right now

Unless you really want an intel cpu

[violet zealot]

The best thing I saw for Intel was the 9900k at 319, but they're gone now

[modest ice]

Were'nt they 750$ MSRP at launch?

[violet zealot]

Hmm I think they were $549

Unless you're going by Canadian?

In which case I don't know

[modest ice]

Yeah I'm in canada so it's a big screwy here with prices

[violet zealot]

That sounds about right then

[modest ice]

My memory is unrealiable for pricing due to the exchange

[violet zealot]

They put the 9900k in a plainer looking box and sold it at a discount

That's the jist of it

Leftover chips they need to get rid of

[modest ice]

Really that's all that matters

Fancy boxes are just other junk I have trouble getting rid of

[violet zealot]

They really played up and upsold the 9900k like it was hot stuff (Well I mean it is literally) called it i9 to justify the price point, put it in a fancy nonahedron plastic box or whatever it is I dunno

[modest ice]

Yeah that's when AMD had pretty much caught up and gaming was the last thing intel did significantly better

Now they do gaming worse

Except for some battlefield title or rdr2 or something like that

We can do this one game better! Here's a clear plastic geometric shape for our CPU that does this one particular thing better! +250$

And then have a press conference of how poorly AMD cpus perform while the system is shut down

[violet zealot]

Well when they released the 9900k AMD was on Zen+

[modest ice]

Zen+ although basically the same arch was significantly better

[violet zealot]

They had great alternative performance, and for less money. But people of course would make the argument "Well Intel is still better at gaming" And while true, that's literally the only thing they were objectively way better at

[modest ice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3sbsJnbGHU

This puts the zen evolution into perspective

I'm in awe of the 5000 series compared to 1700x

Mind you these are all OC'ed

AMD Ryzen 7 1700X (4.0GHz OC)
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X (4.2GHz OC)
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X (4.4GHz OC)
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (4.7GHz OC)

[violet zealot]

What made the huge difference with Zen 3 is simply the unified CCX and cache

[modest ice]

Yeah I think that's where they got the brunt of their latency reduction

But there's also the huge increase in IPC

[violet zealot]

Having all 8 cores on the one CCX with all the available cache, that was really its only bottleneck before on Zen 2

[modest ice]

Not really, they beefed up integer performance by a lot

I would argue that that would have had a bigger impact

[abstract thistle]

question, i am trying to buy a wifi card with bluetooth to use with my mobo which is the msi b550 gaming plus,

when i go to purchase a card i am given two options

https://www.amazon.ca/Ziyituod-AX200NGW-802-11ax-Bluetooth-ZYT-AX200NGW/dp/B08DV3QQTC/ref=pd_lutyp_rtpb_3_2/135-6973537-5520640?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07VBLHC86&pd_rd_r=6291ff08-bc35-4c27-807c-8f4fe8ad7b6b&pd_rd_w=HgHVb&pd_rd_wg=IhmbK&pf_rd_p=8550c5d0-f53a-4679-b077-617ddf3acb67&pf_rd_r=D36H01MF67NZ43NNGZPG&psc=1&refRID=D36H01MF67NZ43NNGZPG

one that is just the chip and one with antennae,

could anyone tell me what the difference would be between the 2?

[modest ice]

One is m.2 form factor

The other is PCIe

I would opt for PCIe for a PC

The m.2 is likely designed for laptops

[abstract thistle]

I see thanks!

[patent jewel]

how much better at gaming is the 5600x compared to the 3700x

[heady root]

look up a comparison on yt

[violet zealot]

Someone linked a comparison between all the Ryzens if you scroll up slightly, it compares to the 5800X technically, but in gaming it should be about the same

[heady root]

5600x has the edge in gaming so just grab that if u can

[neat estuary]

huh??? no

[patent jewel]

ngl that was pointless just watched a 25min video for the guy to recommend the 9900k instead of either the 3700x or 5600x and then also recommend the 3900x if it is at or around 350 which I get but I digress

[violet zealot]

9900K for $319 is a pretty good option I would say, but I'm sure after this week they're long gone

[patent jewel]

yeah I get that I just already have a b550 on the way so just wondering which one of the 2 I should get

[violet zealot]

In my opinion I would get the 3700X

I think the extra threads will be beneficial overall, and in the long term

[patent jewel]

then I can eventually upgrade to a Ryzen 5000 if I want

[violet zealot]

Yeah, get a 5900X later

[patent jewel]

like the difference is not that noticeable

[violet zealot]

It's pretty much the same reasoning people came down to when comparing Intel's gaming performance to Ryzen's for the longest time

The advantage just isn't that big to justify the price/lower thread count

[patent jewel]

honestly if I see a cheaper 3900x then I will get that like for ~350 if it gets to that

probably not possible atm considering it is 450

[violet zealot]

Oh for sure, I have an X470 board so I'm just gonna eventually get a 3900X probably

Though admittedly I don't think this board can handle it

It's one of the cheaper X470 boards 👀

[patent jewel]

yeah I just got a b550 today and a Dark Rock Pro 4 so

should I still get the 6800 for my gpu?

[violet zealot]

You're considering the 3070 and 6800?

[patent jewel]

yeah either of those

[violet zealot]

Considering the current situation, just try to get either

[patent jewel]

I get that lol

[violet zealot]

Though I would guess you have a somewhat decent chance of picking up a 6800 tomorrow

Or so I would hope

[balmy osprey]

yo quick brain pick, getting a 3600, worth getting 550 board or just get a 450?

[rapid thunder]

@balmy osprey If you can find a good deal on a B550 board, I'd recommend that simply for better compatibility with Ryzen 4th gen if and when you decide to upgrade.

@balmy osprey I bought this one on sale for $100, but I'd say it's still probably a sensible buy at $115

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4/p/N82E16813157935?Item=N82E16813157935

[cedar leaf]

Just make sure that the B550 board is backwards compatible out of the box

[rapid thunder]

The above board is compatible with Ryzen 3rd gen and up.

[balmy osprey]

ty ty @rapid thunder , and you right @cedar leaf

[rapid thunder]

So if you're using a 3000 series CPU you should be fine.

[cedar leaf]

Zen 2 is a 3600

Zen 3 is 5000 series

Lol

CONFUSION INTENSIFIES

[rapid thunder]

Zen 2 is Ryzen 3rd gen unless I'm mistaken.

Zen 3 is Ryzen 4th gen.

[balmy osprey]

^

he is right

its zen , zen+ , zen 2, zen 3

[cedar leaf]

Ooohhhh

Aight

Cool

Thanks for clearing that up

[rapid thunder]

And the reason they called Zen 3 chips 5000 series is apparently to differentiate it from a bunch of APUs that are called 4000 series which are still on Zen 2 if I remember right.

[cedar leaf]

Yeah the mobile cpus

[rapid thunder]

Most of those are in laptops and other mobile devices anyway. Not really for Desktop rigs

[cedar leaf]

They are 4000 series

[rapid thunder]

^

But I have a question of my own to ask you all .

So I'm pretty limited in my choice of CPUs due to supply and I'm kind of done waiting.

Of these three, which is the best pick for a gaming/student work use case?

Ryzen 5 3600X - $249.99 from Amazon

Ryzen 5 3600XT - $264.99 from Amazon

Ryzen 7 3700X - $279.99 from Best Buy?

[violet zealot]

The Desktop APUs have only been OEM I think

The uh 4000 ones

[cedar leaf]

All of those are really good options

I would probably to the XT

[rapid thunder]

The reason I don't include a 3600 is because the only one I can find from any vendor is marked up to over $270.

Ironic that the 3600X and XT would be cheaper, but I guess fewer people have been buying them and the supply has created this anomaly.

[violet zealot]

I would take the extra threads for only $30 more though

[cedar leaf]

Ohhh true

Yeah

[rapid thunder]

My concern about taking the 3700X is that I don't know if I'd actually see or use that performance in my use case.

I don't do video editing. I have a mild interest in it, but not enough to justify focusing my build on it at least right now.

[violet zealot]

You know what kind of hardware is in the new consoles?

[rapid thunder]

I will also point out that this is intended to be a long term build. I don't expect to be able to upgrade to a 5000 series CPU for a while both due to finances and the supply chain.

[cedar leaf]

@rapid thunder Though future proofing is sort of a myth (due to the pace of tech improvements) it makes more sense to get the 3700 so that you can plop in a 3080 later down the line or something like that

[rapid thunder]

Will a 3080 not work as well with a 3600X/XT? @cedar leaf?

[cedar leaf]

No

[violet zealot]

If it's longterm 100% 3700X all the way

[cedar leaf]

It’s too low

[violet zealot]

Well no it's not too low, it will work roughly the same in games right now.

[rapid thunder]

But the CPU would bottleneck the card?

[cedar leaf]

I think the 3080 needs at least an 8 core cpu to run smoothly

[violet zealot]

They're like within what maybe 5% of eachother or something

[cedar leaf]

Yeah

But it all depends on the game

[rapid thunder]

Which CPU is within 5% of the card?

[violet zealot]

A CPU bottleneck is really only going to be present at 1080p

I was referring to relative game performance of the cpus compared to eachother

[rapid thunder]

I do game at 1080p. My monitor is 1080p 60 hrz and I'm not changing that any time soon.

[cedar leaf]

@violet zealot try

Tru

[violet zealot]

Well all the more reason then, you have absolutely no reason to get a high end card like a 3080

[rapid thunder]

As for my GPU, I was planning on a 3070 when I get the funds and when the supply is actually there.

But that's still a future decision given that they aren't around.

[violet zealot]

I would say wait for a 60 class card to come out, like the 3060Ti in a couple weeks I guess?

[cedar leaf]

^^^

[rapid thunder]

I just bought an RX 580 off a friend because I knew I wouldn't get a better deal and it's still a MAJOR improvement over what I've got right now.

[cedar leaf]

Nice

[rapid thunder]

All the more reason to wait really.

[violet zealot]

580 is great it's what I use, I'm gonna push it on high refresh soon cause I just got a monitor that can do that, but one step at a time

[rapid thunder]

I've got all the time in the world especially since Nvidia and AMD both saw fit to not meet the demand they surely knew would be there.

[cedar leaf]

@rapid thunder I think a 3070 would be a fantastic upgrade in a year or two from now

With a monitor upgrade

Lmao

[rapid thunder]

My thoughts as well. I'm interested in higher refresh rates, but I also really like this monitor. It has built in speakers. I game with headphones and use the monitor speakers for youtube and such. Not the greatest sound ever, but it doesn't take extra space on my small desk.

[violet zealot]

Well meeting demand was gonna be impossible anyway

[rapid thunder]

True.

[cedar leaf]

Yeah

With covid especially

[rapid thunder]

So you think I'd be best served with the 3700X especially with the discount Best Buy is offering?

[violet zealot]

However we've yet to see AMD fully launch, the AIBs launch tomorrow and they got the bulk of the silicon

Newegg has the same price I think so you could buy it from either, and yeah Its absolutely worth it

[rapid thunder]

My local Best Buy has them in the store as of today so I think I'll swing by tomorrow and snag one. Save some time and impatience.

What's an AIB?

[cedar leaf]

^^

All right

Ima head out

Peace

[copper berry]

Hi, have a question of the memory I received is compatable with my motherboard..

[cedar leaf]

@rapid thunder good luck bro

[violet zealot]

Add in Board partner

[rapid thunder]

@cedar leaf Thanks!

[violet zealot]

The various manufacturers that design their own custom models of the graphics cards

[rapid thunder]

So the people who design the alternative versions of the big Navi gpus?

[violet zealot]

That's right, Nvidia has them too

Even share some of them

[rapid thunder]

@copper berry Go ahead with your question.

[copper berry]

F4-3200C16S-16GVK memory I have ordered and received is it compatible with my Tomahawk x570 motherboard I have?

[rapid thunder]

Uh, is that DDR4 memory?

[copper berry]

yes

but noticed the intel logo at the bottom and didn't know they can be specific to cpu..

[violet zealot]

That's marketing

[rapid thunder]

Is it this board?

[violet zealot]

It's probably cause of "XMP" being an Intel branded thing

[rapid thunder]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-x570-tomahawk-wifi/p/N82E16813144310?Description=Tomahawk x570&cm_re=Tomahawk_x570-_-13-144-310-_-Product

[violet zealot]

But it same thing pretty much works for AMD

[copper berry]

yes

[rapid thunder]

If so than 3200 CL16 memory should be fine.

[copper berry]

going to be running a 5600x on it

[rapid thunder]

You might need to flash the BIOS to run your 5600X though.

[copper berry]

so the have 2x F4-3200C16S-16GVK for it should be fine

[hollow thorn]

eh, has bios flashback

[rapid thunder]

So find a friend who has a 3000 series chip to lend or ask AMD customer support to send you a CPU to flash with. You send that one back when you're done.

[copper berry]

yeah preperared to do the bios flash

[hollow thorn]

@rapid thunder the board has bios flashback

so all you need is a usb stick

with the bios file

[copper berry]

got my thumb drive already setup for it 🙂

[violet zealot]

It's possible to flash the bios without a CPU with this board

[rapid thunder]

Oh. Neat.

I did not know that.

[hollow thorn]

a lot of the msi boards do

[rapid thunder]

@copper berry I think you'll be fine on the memory front.

[violet zealot]

I bought one of the MSI boards that doesn't have that feature

[copper berry]

just waiting for my m.2 ssd before I start rebuilding the syste,

system

[violet zealot]

But it's fine I have a compatible CPU anyway, it's nice to have though

[copper berry]

ok good, just the logo had me freaked out for a second there..

[rapid thunder]

I got the 3600 CL 16 version of the same RAM.

But I'm also using a B550 board so not exactly the same.

Either way, you should be fine.

[copper berry]

ok good, so memory timings not an issue I take it? I don't plan on over clocking.

[rapid thunder]

I think you're overthinking it my friend.

[copper berry]

sounding good, have put me at ease

thanks

[rapid thunder]

I do it all the time myself so don't feel bad. Just relax and prepare to enjoy your new build.

I'm envious since I missed out on getting a 5600X.

[violet zealot]

Eh you can tweak the ram for some optimized performance

[copper berry]

last cpu was a 3770k so this is a big upgrade for me, 8 years since last build

[violet zealot]

But it's not like it's gonna net you a lot anyway

[hollow thorn]

depends really

3200c16 usually doesn't have good nuff die to guarantee any good tuning

[rapid thunder]

I think we can all agree that getting the most out of our hardware is part of the fun of the hobby even if it doesn't translate into tangible real world experience.

[copper berry]

I already accidentally ordered 2 x 16GB sticks instead of 4x8GB, happy I didn't screw up on this side..

[rapid thunder]

Though I do try to keep myself grounded as I just want to game and do light work on my machine.

Going for quad channel 32 GB of memory?

(whistles)

You planning on running simulations? You itching to play MS Flight Simulator?

Maybe virtulization?

[copper berry]

I just like building a system that will last a bit when I put one together..

I just wish I could have gotten a 3070 to complete this build with..

the 1060 will have to hold me over a while till they go done in price.

and are actualy available hehe

game a lot for fun, some light stuff going on in the other window video, light work nothing to resource heavy usualy

[hollow thorn]

I mean

2x16gb over 4x8gb imo

better upgradability

[copper berry]

true, told myself that when I opened the package 🙂

can always slap another pair of 16's in

[rapid thunder]

Unless you're running a freaking server or doing lots of virtualization, I'm not sure there's much point to having that much memory. I mean, if you've got the money to burn and you want it more power to you, but I don't know if you'll ever even approach using all of it unless you do specific workloads.

[violet zealot]

32gb?

Nah I think 32 is the next logical step for the average person actually

Or I should say Enthusiast 👀

[arctic tiger]

do i need anything special to be able to connect to wireless wifi

[copper berry]

the 16 I had in my old rig worked great for me till now.. figure the 32 should last me for a long time

[rapid thunder]

@arctic tiger That depends on your motherboard. If it has build in wireless than you're good to go. If it doesn't, then you'll either want a wifi card (there are plenty to choose from) or you can go with a USB wifi antenna.

I went with the USB antenna for convenience's sake.

[arctic tiger]

okay do most b550 mobos come with it built in?

[rapid thunder]

I don't know about most. I don't think mine does.

You should be able to tell from the specs of your specific board.

[arctic tiger]

okay ill check

[violet zealot]

They put WIFI in the name of the board

[arctic tiger]

wdym?

[violet zealot]

Well here as an example as you can see WIFI is right there in the name of the board

Usually they'll have a non-wifi and a wifi model of the same board pretty much

[rapid thunder]

Alright gents, thanks for the advice. I'm off to bed.

[copper berry]

silly question about heat sinks for a m.2 ssd, there isn't anything you ever apply like thermal paste or anything for those right?

[modest ice]

From my understanding you put it over the stick

• shrug *

*sticker

[fickle flax]

nope

the sticky pads on the heat sinks does the work

[modest ice]

It's like RAM, heatsinks mostly optional

[copper berry]

I think I am going to need mine, is a Seagate FireCuda 520 M.2 2280 1TB PCIe Gen4 x4

[modest ice]

The first CPU I ever seen with a heatsink was a K6 300

[copper berry]

so I expect it to run a lil warm

[modest ice]

Before that it was bare ceramic

[copper berry]

last piece of the system I am waiting on..

[modest ice]

I think I've seen testing on this before and they just benefit from heatsinks under load for prolonged periods

Under normal use the heatsinks are almost purely cosmetic

Then again define "normal"

[copper berry]

ok good to know, thought because mine was a gen4 running faster would generate a bit of heat. I just game and and do some other light stuff while gaming, so I am not going to be using it under a lot of stress all the time I imagine

[modest ice]

No you don't need a heatsink

The only portion of your NVME that can benefit is the controller

Apparently the NAND works better when it's warm

[copper berry]

ok thanks.

[modest ice]

If you want some lulz then check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIkWnnDjhkk

[copper berry]

ok that is scary hehe

[modest ice]

Hahaha it just goes to illustrate that the NVME heatsinks are overrated in general

Your controller will thermal throttle at some point

So in the worst case you'll have still better than HDD performance

[copper berry]

(cross my fingers that mine works well for me)

[modest ice]

It will man

[copper berry]

good 🙂

[modest ice]

99.9%+ probability

It's more likely to be DOA than half working

[copper berry]

last thing I have to figure out is if my old cooler will work on my motherboard, luckly my cpu comes with it's own heatsink and fan if it does not.. have a Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H100 Extreme Performance CPU Cooler System LGA1366 2011 1156 AM2 AM3..

[modest ice]

You're buying AM4?

[copper berry]

yep

[modest ice]

That's a question worth exploring

[copper berry]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-x570-tomahawk-wifi/p/N82E16813144310?Description=Tomahawk x570&cm_re=Tomahawk_x570-_-13-144-310-_-Product

[modest ice]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5y1xmx/am4_cpu_cooler_compatibility_list_for_the/

h100i appears to be compatible

oooo that's a nice board

I like the 2.5gbe

[copper berry]

yep.. I think it will be nice.

[modest ice]

Yeah my current router only supports 1gbe

But I have a SFP ONT in it

So I can always get a new router that support 10GBe or 5 or 2.5

And has SFP WAN

[copper berry]

I suppose I should check my router sometime..

[modest ice]

But it will need to support 802.1q

[copper berry]

routers always give me a headache

[modest ice]

Yeah I work in networking

[copper berry]

sounded like it..

[modest ice]

A lot of people subscribed to 50mbps+ internet

And were only getting 10mbps (9.4) max

Because their cheap routers only had 10mbps WAN

But 100mbps/fe LAN

[copper berry]

well I know I have a fiberoptic connection coming into the house that runs pretty good speed for some of the download.. of course there is bottlenecks everywhere..

[modest ice]

Right now the head ache is people subscribing to 1.gbps service wondering why their fancy iPhone only gets 300mbps on wifi

Like really dude, what the heck are you planning to do with youyr iphone at 1gbps?

[copper berry]

lol

yeah seems like my cooler will not be compatible with the new motherboard.. not a big thing just would have been nice to not have a heat sink pulling on the board

but at least the cpu came with a heatsink so don't have to worry about scrambling to find something for now 🙂

btw speed test I did was 220.0Mbps down, 40 up so happy with that..

[crystal marsh]

Hey there. I have an Asus TUF b450 Plus and I have the BIOS version 1804. I want to update it to the latest one but After the update process completes, it says Update Successful and Reboots. But the BIOS is still the same. Please Help me.

[vivid pewter]

Should I get the b550 arous pro ac or aorus elite ax?

[pliant cypress]

that msi one just raises temps

and its not a sink, its a "shield"

[normal jewel]

I tried enabling SAM on my ROG STRIX X570-e gaming motherboard with r7 5800x and RX 6800 and it kept spitting out post code AA and refused to output a display. I tried reseting the CMOS and even flashing the bios with no change. I installed a 3900XT and it booted up fine and loaded default settings in the bios reinstalled the 5800x and it booted up again just fine.

I'm scared to try SAM again

I was using the newest bios available which is version 2812

[normal jewel]

also I though resetting the bios was supposed to restore the settings to default so I have no idea why it wouldn't output a display signal until I did it manually with another CPU

[desert sundial]

anyone see any r9 5900x in stock anywhere, seems like they never released any more passed launch