cpus-mobo-and-memory

[naive pendant]

lmao

brb gonna put it in the pc

[eager shore]

lmao

[naive pendant]

update in a min

my cpu does a weird thing where at idle it registers as at 100% but when doing a heavy task it goes to around 35%

OK

im back

and so far so good, how do i check if it works good and if the pc is recognizing it?

YEP IT WORKS

holy crap this is so much faster

[gritty meadow]

:)

well done @naive pendant

[naive pendant]

does the speed of the computer depend on the amount of ram or is it something else?

cus before i put in another 4gb it was way slower

[gritty meadow]

the simple answer is this: You just doubled the bandwidth the CPU has available

you also doubled the amount it has avaiable

but the first one is what you "feel" (at least normally)

the added advantage is this:

the extra 4 gigs will allow the system to have more things in ram

meaning, you are less likely to have to engage the storage system (when you run out of ram)

does that make sense @naive pendant ?

[naive pendant]

yes

now i am currently trying to bypass a 4 week ban from a mc server with a alt

lmao

[gritty meadow]

that is between you and that server :)

[naive pendant]

i know

im not expecting any help lol

[gritty meadow]

:)

[late pine]

some servers use ip ban so you would need to use a proxy / vpn of some kind

[eager shore]

i love ip bans

[grim lava]

ryzen 7 3700x or ryzen 5 5600x

[eager shore]

if you need cores, go 3700x, if you want gameing perf, go 5600x

[grim lava]

ok thanks but idk if 5600x will get in stock soon

[eager shore]

Same honestly

[craggy zinc]

I have 4 sticks of ram and 2 sticks run 10 degrees hotter than the other two. Is there a way to tell which stick is which? I am reading temps with HWMonitor.

[gritty meadow]

@sour coyote sorry for the delay. We can talk here about your build if you want?

[sour coyote]

yeah sure

[gritty meadow]

other channel is a bit high traffic for in depth questions at the moment

any particular reason for only a 256gig OS drive?

[sour coyote]

well its just for the os so i dont think a 500gb or 1tb would be useful

[gritty meadow]

pure gaming use?

[sour coyote]

yeah and some light BI

[gritty meadow]

or a mix of work and gaming?

BI?

[sour coyote]

Business intelligence software

[gritty meadow]

ah

yeah, fair enough, then 256 should be enough

you are aware that you can use a ATX psu in that case right @sour coyote

[sour coyote]

yeah but i want to have more space for the gpu to breathe

GN did a review of this case and recommended using that

[gritty meadow]

its ofc your call

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/zR3H99/adata-sx8200-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-asx8200pnp-1tt-c

you could save a bit on your 1tb ssd there

[sour coyote]

never heard about that brand. I'm kind of biased toward WD and samsung

[gritty meadow]

same if you go with a mp34/sn750/sx8200 Pro for the smaller SSD

the samsung only brings its name to that comparison

and that name costs you money for no reason

but as always, its your choice :)

also, keep in mind, what you pay for the samsung, is what you would pay for a 500gig sn750

the samsung is actually 5cad above the 500gig sn750

[tough wyvern]

ADATA is not* an obscure brand.

[gritty meadow]

not really

just not that big in the US

[tough wyvern]

Not*

I missed a not 😛

[gritty meadow]

:)

type faster! :)

but aside from those fairly minor choices, and taking availability into account. The list looks fine @sour coyote

[steel iris]

I just got my 32 gb kit of ram and now the comp is stuck in a BSOD loop

Ran windows memory diagnostic and it found hardware issues

Ended up having to submit a replacement with Newegg

[tough wyvern]

The ram lottery is sometimes unkind.

I am still not 100% sure about my kits.

I don't think I'll know for another couple weeks if there's actually any issues with them. They need dedicated testing.

I put them in my existing computer when I got them, just to make sure nothing was critically wrong. Did not have any problems for the week they were in, ran memtests, but did get back errors on a single round.

However, this is an old board, and an older CPU

and the clockspeed is outside of what this board was rated for.

So I'm waiting to test them on the new motherboard and CPU for awhile before making any final calls.

[steel iris]

Yeah I’m just hoping that the replacement kit is fine

Is team group known to have bad ram kits

[tough wyvern]

I've never bought from them, so I can't say i'm afraid.

[gritty meadow]

@steel iris its all statistics

but no, they are not known for having bad ram kits

[steel iris]

Ah ok thanks

That’s what i figured especially since people like Paul’s Hardware recommend Team Group kits all the time

[steep crest]

Guys will the Corsair vengeance lpx 3600hmz 16gb work with a ryzen 3 3100?

[desert sundial]

I got dibs on the next msrp ryzen 9 5900x

[steep crest]

Bc I just got it in and idk if it will work

[gritty meadow]

@steep crest it will

at what speed is the question that only you can answer when you get it

[steep crest]

Sorry

C18

I couldn’t find 16 but it’s fine for me. @gritty meadow

[gritty meadow]

aye

[steep crest]

So I should be good?

Because I kinda am building 13 PCs to flip for Christmas and I never used Corsair ram. But it was on sale so I got 13 of these and 500gb of nvme drives

[gritty meadow]

its fine

[steep crest]

Ok thank you 🙏

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome :)

[sour coyote]

thank you very much @gritty meadow !

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome

[sour coyote]

i found a 5600x for 400 cad

im pretty happy but its in backorder

but for that price im willing to wait

[turbid tendon]

Guys what is the difference between MSI B450 gaming pro carbon ac and MSI B450 gaming pro carbon max wifi ??...

[violet zealot]

Well the MAX in the name of the latter is actually more significant than you might think

It signifies that the board has a 32-bit bios chip, so it's capable of storing more in the Bios which means likely support for the new Zen 3 chips that came out a couple weeks ago. Though that won't be possible until January apparently, that's when AMD is releasing the AGESA code to their partners to develop a beta bios for them

[neon sigil]

I need a good mobo for 5600x

Would be nice to get one under 140

Is x570 worth it?

[violet zealot]

Is at 140 fine?

[neon sigil]

Yep

[violet zealot]

Cause the B550 A-Pro from MSI is $140

[eager shore]

i like that board

[neon sigil]

What does x570 get over b550

[gritty meadow]

more pci-e lanes

[violet zealot]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-b550-a-pro/p/N82E16813144330

[eager shore]

also offeres bios blashback if you get lucky and get one without the latest one

[gritty meadow]

but unless you have some VERY exotic pci-e needs, it offers (on the chipset level) nothing that consumers normally need

[violet zealot]

I believe X570 also gets Gen 4 PCIE on the chipset where as B550 only gets it via the CPU

[neon sigil]

O

Any significant performance hits?

I would like pci gen 4 since it's being adopted more but I don't really know

[violet zealot]

None that would be significant unless you need multiple NVMEs

And require those gen 4 speeds

[neon sigil]

I see

Is there a wifi edition of that board?

[gritty meadow]

it might not be super clear on that one, but the top PCI-e is 4.0 on the b550 chipset

[violet zealot]

Uh no it doesn't look like it

[neon sigil]

So like with a 5600x 3070 build would I really miss out on anything

[gritty meadow]

imo? no

[timber jasper]

helo im getting a rysen 5000 series cpu so should i get a 3600mhz or more for my RAM

[violet zealot]

Like other than the Chipset offering more Gen 4 lanes, X570 boards might offer extra features, maybe more USB ports

Things like that

[neon sigil]

I see

[violet zealot]

But nothing that explicitly changes the core performance of your computer

[timber jasper]

or is 3600 the sweet spot

[neon sigil]

Amd says 3600 is the sweet spot

[timber jasper]

ok then 3600mhz it is

thx

[neon sigil]

Np

[gritty meadow]

a fair deal of b550 boards have 2.5g lan chips. which, if you have the infrastructure on your own lan, is a nice feature

[neon sigil]

I have fiber so ye

[gritty meadow]

that is not what i am saying :)

[neon sigil]

Oh

[gritty meadow]

you can have all the fiber in the world, if your ISP sets your rate to 1gbit, then you are limited to that :)

no matter the chip on the board :)

[neon sigil]

I mean I have a 1 gbit connection

[gritty meadow]

that wont get faster on a 2.5g lan chip

[neon sigil]

Yeah

Hows the b550m vidh?

[gritty meadow]

it was just one of the features i remember being a difference (because of the time difference from when x570 and b550 was introduced to the market)

[neon sigil]

Oh I see

[gritty meadow]

its a solid enough board

[fresh plinth]

Why are not all B550 boards, and even some x570 boards not compatible with 5000 series?

[gritty meadow]

@fresh plinth all boards are, with the right bios

[neon sigil]

I'll have to get a bios update though hm

[violet zealot]

They were launched before Zen 3

[neon sigil]

I guess I'll drive to a microcenter maybe

[violet zealot]

Originally for Zen 2 chips

[neon sigil]

How do you update an x570 board?

[violet zealot]

They haven't and probably won't be launching a new chipset, so it comes down to how new the board is. New shipments always have the latest bios

[neon sigil]

Just like plug in a usb

?

[violet zealot]

Some of the boards have a feature that allows you to flash the bios without a cpu

Without anything but power actually

[gritty meadow]

and if the board does not have that

then its a question of getting a supported cpu installed and doing a bios update, then swapping to the zen3 cpu

[fresh plinth]

Is the MSI B550 gaming plus a good deal?

[neon sigil]

My friend's got a zen 2 but it's kinda weird asking to borrow a cpu

[fresh plinth]

you can get a kit from AMD actually

its free as long as you send it back

(not sure about shipping tho)

[violet zealot]

I mentioned that earlier but I actually wasn't sure if they still did that

[neon sigil]

Shipping is fine

Hmm

[fresh plinth]

wait actually you might be right

they did that with the 3000 series chips

but im not sure about 5000 series

[neon sigil]

Wait no the mobo I'm looking at has the flash button

[gritty meadow]

they do @violet zealot

[neon sigil]

I doubt I'll upgrade next gen so I'm not sure if x570 is worth it for the future proofing

[gritty meadow]

they do @fresh plinth

[violet zealot]

This is the final generation for this socket anyway

So there is no more for these chipsets anyway

[fresh plinth]

See, that makes me wonder If i should just wait for the next gen to upgrade

but thats gonna be another year and a half

And I need more CPU power, im pretty bottlenecked right now

[violet zealot]

Upgrade if you need to with what's available right now, otherwise you'll just be waiting forever

[fresh plinth]

True, true

[violet zealot]

These are good CPUs, and they'll be good for a while. By the time you even consider an upgrade you'll have to change out everything anyhow

[fresh plinth]

Ive got an i5-7500 right now, which maxes out at 3.6 with 4 cores and 4 threads, so going to a 5600x would be a huge upgrade

so I think I will

[gritty meadow]

also remember this

in a year or two

you can still put in a 16core zen3

[fresh plinth]

Thats actually a really good point

[gritty meadow]

the "last" generation of a socket are generally ones that stick around for a LONG time

[fresh plinth]

now its just a matter of finding a 5600x thats in stock

[violet zealot]

Haswell 👀

[fresh plinth]

lmao

[gritty meadow]

Sandy Bridge @violet zealot

the 2500k specifically

[violet zealot]

Oh of course, I was thinking proper last though

[gritty meadow]

but yes, 4770 was indeed around for a LONG time

heck, this machine is a 4770s

(keep in mind, this is not my main)

[fresh plinth]

technically the 7000 series, was the last in the socket

but the 7500 is still crap regardless

[gritty meadow]

@fresh plinth that is ddr4

both sandy and haswell are ddr3

[ripe plover]

Okay so I ordered some Corsair vengeance ram and only today I realized it says it is and ready and I have an intel cpu, so will that affect any of my performance?

[gritty meadow]

no

its just a sticker

[graceful elm]

MY B&H ORDER NOW SAYS ORDER IN PROGRESS

LETS GOOOOO

[late pine]

Nice

5800x?

[graceful elm]

yes sir

[late pine]

Enjoy :)

[cyan night]

so...

rgb fusion is not detecting my ram anyone know the fix for this?

[quiet wedge]

Would it be worth upgrading an i5 8600k to and i7 9700k?

[spring terrace]

which one of those three motherboards would be the best for a ryzen 7 5800?

the msi one is not in stock currently, so i'd have to wait for it a bit longer

[fickle flax]

do you need wifi?

[spring terrace]

no

@fickle flax

[naive pendant]

You found a 5800xt?

6800xt**

[fickle flax]

id personally go for the asus but it seems to be littered with problems so i would suggest the aorus elite

@spring terrace

[naive pendant]

Yes

yeah go for the aorus elite

[plain perch]

with an amd 5600x, gskill trident z 3800MHz 14CL, and a b550m steel legend

cant seem to OC my memory past 16CL 3566MHz

any ideas?

get a black screen on reset

[lean hearth]

@spring terrace go for the aorus it has great vrm’s for overclocking

[hollow thorn]

you WHAT

3800c14 kit can't go past 3566c16?

@plain perch try uncoupled mode to start off

check voltages

maybe you have GDM Off with 1t CR

change to 2t CR if it isn't on default

[plain perch]

according to partspicker recommended voltage for the CPU is 1.35V and the memory goes upto 1.5V

[hollow thorn]

slots 2&4 I assume

what

[plain perch]

4x8

[hollow thorn]

oh

that might be a part of the issue

but should still do like 3600c16 p easy

check GDM and CR

[plain perch]

ok brb

GDM is on auto, changed CR to 2T and tried to crank it to 3600c16 same problem

should I keep GDM on instead of auto?

[gritty meadow]

@hollow thorn https://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?ID=4600

[plain perch]

also does a low end gpu affect memory OC?

cuz i have a place holder geforce 730

[fallen lynx]

no

[plain perch]

hmm

im at a loss then

at 1.35V my memory wont go past 3533c16

[bleak cedar]

Hey! So I'm looking to switch to a new motherboard as I got a pretty simple one because of a lack of knowledge in what investing more can give you which I understood now after a few months, ouch. The one I'm interested in the most is the Gigabyte Z490 UD as it seems to have all the fancy features I want. My only problem is that I currently have the ASUS TUF GT301 case with the included 3 RGB case fans in the front that go to a built-in ARGB hub inside the case. My question is would I be able to control the RGB lighting of those fans if I connect the ARGB connecter of the hub to the Gigabyte board?

[deft helm]

Yes

Rgb hubs aren’t proprietary to a certain mobo chipset

As long as the gigabyte board has the connected for it, assuming that it’s a z490 it probably will

[bleak cedar]

Yeah it has a 3 pin 5V ARGB header

So it's that simple? Should just work?

[deft helm]

As long as it works with your current mobo I see no issues

[bleak cedar]

On some forum someone told me to just ditch RGB because it adds nothing to the build and add too much complexity while only increasing prices lmao

[deft helm]

That’s dumb

It’s your money, your build

Do as you please man

I personally love argb as I can change it to whatever color I’m feeling, or just nothing.

[bleak cedar]

Well it doesn't because I didn't know about RGB and ARGB so my Mobo doesn't have ARGB headers, stupid me

[deft helm]

Ahh

[prisma nymph]

what would you be getting thats rgb, fans or strips?

cause phanteks makes these amazing diffused strips

[bleak cedar]

Fans

Yeah I'm considering those too in the future

For now fans

[deft helm]

Mamba

[deft helm]

You are throwing a 10/11th gen intel cpu in there right?

Of the z490

[bleak cedar]

Exactly, it really annoyed, I just replied to him saying I wasn't looking for an opinion, just how to make it work the way I want it to lol

[bleak cedar]

Yeah, 10600K

I already have a PC that I built but looking to upgrade stuff

[deft helm]

Perfect.

Yeah that mobo has two ARGB headers from what I’ve researched

[bleak cedar]

Yep

Now I know what to look for

[deft helm]

Well, connectors*

Seems like a nice looking board, enjoy the build

[bleak cedar]

Right now I have the ASUS B460-M

Prime*

B460M-A

Super simple because I just thought "oh it's just the motherboard"

Now I know better

[analog onyx]

I got an X570 Aorus Elite for $100

[bleak cedar]

What I was worried about the most is that I would need to stick to ASUS as those fans and hub are from ASUS

[bleak cedar]

Yeah I've noticed Gigabyte's prices are pretty nice

[deft helm]

That’s a good deal plain

I bought my msi x570 for 240$

It’s the gaming edge WiFi thing

Worth more than my cpu

[hollow thorn]

@gritty meadow whoa that was quick

[gritty meadow]

very

and i did not expect that

[hollow thorn]

@plain perch uh that's prob the issue, try mem voltage at 1.5v

@gritty meadow is that their whole b450 lineup?

lotta boards

[gritty meadow]

very close to iirc

i have not checked

[plain perch]

i got this from parts picker

"The G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3800 CL14 Memory operating voltage of 1.5 V exceeds the AMD Zen 3 CPU recommended maximum of 1.35 V+7% (1.444 V). "

will it damdge anything if i put it at 1,5?

[hollow thorn]

what

we're not changing cpu voltage

@gritty meadow afaik B die can do 1.55v daily without a problem right?

[gritty meadow]

blergh!

that is not info i have in memory

so, no idea mate, sorry

[hollow thorn]

hm, well, that's what I remember

[quaint current]

i mean bdie could probably do 1.6 just fine

[hollow thorn]

I think this'll be a forky question

@mild jackal

CPU shouldn't matter for ram voltage correct?

SoC voltage might, but just dram voltage shouldn't matter right?

And what should be operating voltage for b die?

either way, @plain perch the operating voltage is 1.5v, so you might want to run it at 1.5v for it to operate at/near rated speeds

[stark laurel]

Is it ok if I touched the back of my motherboard a couple times

[hollow thorn]

why not

just touching shouldn't break anything

if you tried to snap stuff off yea ofc it'll break

[stark laurel]

Ok because I read somewhere online to try to never touch the back or the PCB

[hollow thorn]

but it's not so sensitive it'll break once you touch it

try not to

maybe you'll accidentally break smth off

[stark laurel]

I've been kind of an *** to my motherboard, installed and reinstalled 3 times, moved onto many different surfaces, pushed my USB 3.0 header in pretty hard

Like I've picked up my motherboard by the back, nothing's broken off so I hope I'm ok

[marble hare]

so from what I understand, ryzen 5000 series will work right out the box on x570 boards right?

[stark laurel]

I think you need a BIOS update

[marble hare]

how would I do that? this will be an entirely new build for me as I am going from intel to amd so I had to buy an x570 unify

[stoic wolf]

Check if your mobo has a bios flashback feature

[marble hare]

yeah it has flashback

[stoic wolf]

Then follow the instructions in the manual for how to do it.

[hollow thorn]

Unify very nice board

[marble hare]

yeah i went for the unify cos it had best vrm temps

and no gimmicky RGB

[hollow thorn]

@marble hare there's a chance it'll just boot out of box

if it doesn't, simple,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE

[marble hare]

dope thank you bro 💯

seems very straightforward

[hollow thorn]

@marble hare oh yea a very quirky MSI thing that you might not notice is you name the bios file to "MSI.rom" when you put it on the usb stick, then it'll work.

[gritty meadow]

@hollow thorn something you need to know about some MSI boards

and @marble hare you should also know

only have the 2 power plugs plugged in

not even the power_sw

and no, i am NOT joking on that one

[gentle river]

what does cas latency affect?
how much fps difference is there between cl18 and cl16 (3600mhz) bc i think i accidentally put cl18 on my cousins pcpartpicker list and he already mightve bought it

[gritty meadow]

not enough to worry about it :)

[gentle river]

okay thanks

[hollow thorn]

@gritty meadow hm? Why?

I'm curious because I've done it before with everything plugged in

[gritty meadow]

so have i, multiple times

but i had a users in a LONG call the other day

the solution ended up being. pulling everything

[hollow thorn]

(including cpu gpu?)

[gritty meadow]

it would NOT work with anything but EPS and 24pin plugged in

yes.

everything

[hollow thorn]

Huh

[gritty meadow]

yes

that was my response too

followed by a long string of curses

[hollow thorn]

I assume hours of debugging wasted?

[gritty meadow]

yes

[hollow thorn]

That's good to know.

[gritty meadow]

also, remember, the usb stick has to be fat32/16

[hollow thorn]

Do you know if that'd apply to other bios flashback?

(what else would it be formatted in..?)

[gritty meadow]

ntfs or something weird if its been in a non windows

[hollow thorn]

Ah

[graceful elm]

no more backordered

lets go

[hollow thorn]

Nice

[gritty meadow]

re: other flashback: considering the silly i experienced in that call. I would say: Heck knows what other silly is amongst the other vendors

[hollow thorn]

Oh boy

[gritty meadow]

but the truly weird is that i have done flashback on that board myself

[hollow thorn]

Side note, other bios flashback should also work with just the eps and 24pin plugged in right?

[gritty meadow]

and i have done it with a bunch of parts plugged in

and it worked just fine

[hollow thorn]

@gritty meadow I wonder if it had to do with one of the devices plugged in having bad drivers or some weird bios setting

[gritty meadow]

re: side note: in theory yes

[hollow thorn]

Alright

[gritty meadow]

consider this:

when we found the solution

the only things connected was the EPS and 24pin and the power_sw

nothing else

no ram

no cpu

[hollow thorn]

Hm

[gritty meadow]

it makes NO logical sense

because there should NOT be a sensor for those 2 pins

and even less a undocumented one

[hollow thorn]

Only crazy theory I have is somehow there was a defect and it periodically bridged it just by being plugged in

[gritty meadow]

re: reason for sharing: just in case.

nah, he would have seen that

debug led would have blinked

[hollow thorn]

Hm

Welp, if it works, don't question it.

[gritty meadow]

indeed

[vague siren]

thoughts on x570 strix

?

[graceful elm]

LETS GOOOOO

[carmine plover]

When did you order that?

I'm trying to get the 5900x

[vague siren]

I just got to order on canada computers for a 5600x

[graceful elm]

i ordered it november 5th

i like 1:30 am

[late pine]

5900x is even worse stock

I know bots are unpopular here but realistically your best chance of getting one is setting up an amazon checkout bot

[carmine plover]

damn, i just can'

[late pine]

And/or setting up a browser extention that auto refreshes the newegg page

[carmine plover]

can't justify paying $300+ from original price

[late pine]

Yeah for sure

Personally I would suggest browser extention for the easiest solution

Just find something that refreshes the product page while u do other stuff

[carmine plover]

I've never used a browser refreshing extension.

does it stop when it refreshes and finds something in stock?

[late pine]

I use an app called web alerts on my phone, it refreshes every minute

For most things it will make a noise if it detects the web page changed

You can specify what the refresher looks for

For instance you can tell it to notify you when the "out of stock" text changes on the newegg page

[carmine plover]

is it a free app?

[late pine]

The one on my phone I payed like 2.50 for the faster refreshing

It was worth because it allowed me to pick up a corsair sf750 which is always out of stock and a $360 2070 super from evga b stock page

[carmine plover]

is it the app with a picture of the world and a magnifying glass?

[carmine plover]

ok, i'll give that a shot. Thanks for the tip!

[late pine]

You need to buy the premium to refresh every minute but yeah

[carmine plover]

alright

[late pine]

Also when it asks you to navigate to the page I would suggest you copy paste the direct url from a diff browser

[harsh grotto]

i have a 10% discont promo code on newegg, im waiting for newegg to stock up on crucial balistic 3600 cl16 white ram

[late pine]

dang I wish i had one when I was buying my 5900x

although by the time I entered it it would have sold out lmao

[carmine plover]

why copy and paste from different browser?

[late pine]

web alert will redo all the steps you take nagivating to the site

so every time it checks it will do the same search etc

I think the point is if you are trying to check something that requires a login you can do it

[naive pendant]

So do we have any news about AIB cards? Or even if we will before they release? Or is it just gonna be a hey they are for sale now?

[faint ferry]

Anyone know if the ASUS ROG B550-F a good mobo that could handle up to the 5900x? Has pcie 4 and all that.

For like 185 on amazon

[latent mist]

Why are you so weird and have a rae picture xd

@faint ferry https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JXBhP6/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-atx-am4-motherboard-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming you can see here all you need to know about the MOBO

[pliant cypress]

I find newegg better for researching

[long acorn]

Anyone know if the ASUS ROG B550-F a good mobo that could handle up to the 5900x? Has pcie 4 and all that.
@faint ferry Most all Asus, Gigabyte motherboards can handle the entire 3xxx and 5xxx (and 4xxx-G chips) without any issue. Try to pick out a board with the 'Bios Flashback' feature if possible. If purchasing an ASRock or MSI motherboard, DO read reviews as there were a couple stinkers out there - but the higher end ones from all 4 brands mentioned here are all really nicely done.

[loud escarp]

Best way to store away memory without original packaging?

[long acorn]

@loud escarp paper is an insulator, an envelope works good, but put the envelope in a book if you're afraid of it getting crunched. Motherboard books work good for that.

[loud escarp]

@long acorn tysm

Just replace my old memory with a new kit and ima use the old one for a build for my SO so I wanted to put it away for now without it getting damaged or put away properly

[long acorn]

N/P, I always have a box of old packaging here, but you can't save it all, nor do you always have enough even if you do. I've found out all the secrets to that in the last 25 years. Avoid grocery bags and ziplock bags as they're static prone. Only anti-static silver/black/pink bags work OK when using bags. Just avoid bags if not sure.

Envelopes are cheap and almost free if you use used already-mailed ones, and don't take up much space. If you end up with a LOT of spare little parts, get one of those 10~15$ USD organizer drawer things from Walmart in the tupper-ware container section.

Those things work great to hold gobs of cables, little non-sensitive tidbits / screws / drive bay covers and pci-slot case covers, and more; provided you don't put bare PC circuit boards in them they're fine (always use anti-static packaging when putting PC hardware in them or anywhere else for that matter).

[loud escarp]

@long acorn thanks a ton, im slowly upgrading my system and essentially rebuild all the old parts into a new system for SO

I'm thinking of upgrading cpu to a 3900xt as I can find a brand new one on eBay for as much or less than what a 5600x is going for on it

[vague siren]

Hello, id like to know if the x570 strix is really worth its price or if a tuf x570 or a high end b550 board do the same, with cpu overclocking

[long acorn]

@long acorn thanks a ton,
I'm thinking of upgrading cpu to a 3900xt as I can find a brand new one on eBay for as much or less than what a 5600x is going for on it
@loud escarp 3900xt will let you do a lot more with the PC while having the computational power of about 1.7 5600x chips, but your max FPS won't be as high. If you run a game like BeamNG Drive you will be able to use almost 2x the amount of vehicles simultaneously. If you just do single-threaded stuff and game on it, the 5600x will provide you with better single-core boost speeds / higher max FPS, but the 3900x / 3900xt will provide better lows when it comes to Windows background processes not being a bother anymore. I have a 3950x and I think you will be quite happy with it. Just get a Noctua cooler for it. My (stock!) 3950x has a Noctua NH D-15S on it (single fan model, well ventilated but filtered full tower case), and it works very well and almost never lets the CPU hit 80C unless I'm making it sweat on purpose.

Hello, id like to know if the x570 strix is really worth its price or if a tuf x570 or a high end b550 board do the same, with cpu overclocking
@vague siren Depends what you spend on the motherboard. The manufacturers provided better VRM's for B550 due to it coming out later than X570. The later boards are almost always better than earlier boards now that more power-users are going AMD, and because AMD commands more of a premium in the market vs the budget offering it was before when Ryzen first launched. DO check the following youtubers: Hardware Unboxed, Gamer's Nexus, and you can check Linus Tech Tips too but the first two I mentioned are in-depth about VRM's (stuff that provides and refines the voltage for the CPU) quality and general board features and quality. Look for one that does what YOU want.
Big differences:
Price bracket
PCI-E 4.0 is featured on both B550 and X570, but on B550 the bottom-half of the motherboard is PCI-E 3.0 and you often do NOT have a chipset fan cooler on the bottom of the motherboard. The X570 boards - almost all of them - have a chipset fan cooler due to the entire boards being PCI-E 4.0. If you're just gaming or doing up to moderate productivity, a B550 will be just fine. You don't need X570 really, though if the prices are similar it's worth a look. Watch out for boards with shoddy VRM's like Asrock Phantom Gaming 4, and MSI MPG models.

@vague siren However, even though manufacturers provided 'better VRMs' it does not mean all B550 is better than X570, it's not, it's usually the other way around - however - you might get better VRM's for the price bracket you're looking in, due to the aforementioned elevation of the platform's reputation as an enthusiast go-to. You will likely have a lot more options for overclocking (and more sata ports and usb ports) on X570 vs B550. Again, VRM's are the little things on the motherboard that supply, regulate, and refine the incoming DC power into stuff your processor, memory, and other on-board components can use.

Once you get to 200$ USD and above, most all boards are solidly made with little to no compromises.

[vague siren]

alright so do you have examples of good overclocking boards i could check out

[long acorn]

I got an Asus X570 Tuf Gaming Plus (wifi version) and I am very pleased with it. It's leaps and bounds better made than my ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 (that died) was. You can take a look at that motherboard and go from there. Read reviews, they'll usually be a decent indicator - just remember there's always a ton of satisfied people that never leave a review VS anyone who feels wronged or is angry always wants to leave a bad review.

The only time you'd need more than that board is if you're going for the absolute best overclock that is possible under liquid cooling or liquid nitrogen. At that point I'd move up to the Asus Crosshair motherboard with the X570 chipset - that's got one of ASUS's best VRM designs on the entire X570 chip set range.

If you're planning on overclocking your AMD processor, I encourage you to attempt to leave it at stock settings - especially the 5000 and 3000 series processors - you don't gain all that much FPS for the heat and noise you'll get doing so. It's not like when intel used to sell us 2.25~2.66ghz processors that would overclock up to 3.6~4.2ghz or higher like back in 2008~2012. Those days came and went. Now you're lucky to get 10% out of most common processors today when overclocking - so not always worth all the work involved. So try it out at stock speeds first (though don't forget to go into BIOS and enable XMP/DOCP memory speed settings, so your RAM runs it's advertised speed on most boards).

You have more to gain from buying a decently fast memory kit and tweaking the timings as tight as possible, that will make a Ryzen CPU (almost any one!) quite happy.

[pale geyser]

Hello everyone, does anyone know if the ASRock B450 Pro4 from Newegg is AMD Ryzen 3000 series ready? I have a Ryzen 3 3200g

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b450m-pro4/p/N82E16813157843

[vague siren]

alright thanks

[long acorn]

@pale geyser Often they are by this point - but PLEASE call customer service or send them a question regarding what BIOS version comes on that board and/or if it's got the 'Ryzen 3000 series ready' sticker on the box - some did some didn't. It could be new or old stock. I'd get a B550 if possible, it will be SO much smoother of an upgrade.
B450 only needs a BIOS update to enable support for all 3000 series processors. B450 Ryzen 5000 series support is coming by some-time in January 2021 - some boards have beta BIOSes out now for that.
To install the latest BIOS you need a processor the motherboard recognizes with it's shipped BIOS version, and then download the BIOS from the ASRock website, then use a flash drive with the BIOS file to update it (from within the BIOS of the board). Then it will recognize your processor if it did not previously.
You may just be able to install ram/processor/heatsink & fan and boot right up - it may need the update - DO call or message customer service with your sales inquiry (that's what it is) to find out what BIOS it comes with (then look that BIOS number up on the ASRock website to see what version you need).

[pale geyser]

@long acorn Thank you so much!

[long acorn]

Generally it'll say 'Ryzen 3000 Series ready' somewhere on the box or listing if it has an updated bios - but they may neglect to update the listing or just don't have the manpower to do so. If it's not, the board might not boot until you get a proper CPU to update the BIOS with (unless you have BIOS Flashback feature). So to avoid that run-around if it's not compatible, just get the B550 - it's better in every way.

[pale geyser]

What would be a good affordable B550 Mobo?

[long acorn]

Find something by Asus, Gigabyte or MSI that's in your price range. Then check out what the youtuber community has to say, and read newegg reviews. I can't specifically say 'buy this one, or buy that one', but find something in your price range, that reviews decently. If you want a really decent board, that'll put you up into the 180~220$ price bracket - but that's not to say ones below that are bad - but you DO generally get what you pay for.

If it's pretty good and reviewed well, it'll move a lot of volume (have a high number of reviews depending on how long it's been out).

To all those folks that upgrade their motherboard and/or CPU, if you change the motherboard you MUST re-install your video drivers again if you keep the OS the same between boards. Otherwise you may/will get odd crashing.

[marble hare]

what do you mean

ohh

only have the 24 pin and cpu power plugged in ?

[deft helm]

Looking to sell my 2x4gb of samsung ddr4 online, how much should i ask for it on marketplace? i have no clue used memory pricing

dont wanna scam anyone lmao

[long acorn]

40$ would be the market price new when at a median price, but 20~30$ and it should move quick enough since it's used. If it's 2133~2400$ you'd want to be 25$ or less, if it's 3000~3600mhz obviously you can get more for it like 30~35$. Might even be able to get 40$ if it's low latency high mhz stuff or Samsung B-Die memory which is in demand even used. @deft helm

[naive pendant]

Should I get a 5600x or 5900x for gaming at 1080

[main pulsar]

when are you planning to buy your components?

[long acorn]

@naive pendant For gaming alone get the 5600x - there's no game a 3600/3600x couldn't run great, and the 5600x is just better in every way. If you do productivity or run BeamNG Drive get the 5900x or cheaper 3900x / xt / 3950x. Get a B550 motherboard if you just game, if you don't already have a suitable motherboard.

[naive pendant]

I guess once a couple of aftermarket 6800xt cards come out so i can check the reviews before I buy. I'm completely unable to decide between a 3080 and 6800xt.

I guess I'll stick with the 5600x thanks. Keep the extra money for gpu and good ram

[long acorn]

@naive pendant If you get a Ryzen 5000 series processor, and a 6xxx Radeon card, you can use smart access memory, which will give you a little extra boost of FPS.

[naive pendant]

Well on GN's review SAM looks pretty negligible

[long acorn]

5600x is plenty of CPU for any game pretty much, 98% of them anyways. Few games will use more than 4 cores.

SAM can be negligible for some games or applications, but it is a little extra 'bonus' that's not required and not really needed, but still nice to have if the price is right.

[naive pendant]

So let's say a week or so

[main pulsar]

cool, good to see youre finally getting a system

[long acorn]

You may have issues finding a processor or video card, stock goes quick, so set your auto-notifies, so you don't miss anything - and wake up early on the day stock comes in if it gives you date.

That said, with each passing day, more demand is satisfied, but the first two to three weeks of availability after release has been tough lately.

Expect this trend to continue for the near future.

[naive pendant]

Thanks man. It's been a long wait haha

Yeah. The fact there are more cards out there on the market now than then the 3080 came out probably takes some pressure off. I just have to decide which one I want hah

6800xt has the rasterization advantage but i don't like depriving myself of the possibility of dlss and ray tracing

[main pulsar]

DLSS very pog

but only supported on a few games

ray tracing is nothing more than a gimmick at this point

[naive pendant]

Hmmm

[stoic wolf]

What does “pog” mean?

[naive pendant]

Maybe I'll get the 6800xt... Since I'm going to be on 1080p for the foreseeable future.. and they're going to have their own ray tracing solution in the future right

[deft helm]

yea

[naive pendant]

But damn the 3080 still beats it in some games

[south swan]

Anyone know what the core mapping is like on Microsoft Flight Sim? I.e, would there be a benefit going from 6 to 8 to 12 cores?

[glad lodge]

Hi there, anyone knows if its better to buy 4 pcs of ram vs 2 pcs of 32gb using ryze 5900x and 3080 graphics card?

[loud escarp]

My new mem is running great, 3600 cl16, 16-16-16-36

[glad lodge]

Is it 2 sticks or 4?

[loud escarp]

4

[glad lodge]

I know gamer nexus review and he said 4 stick is better

[loud escarp]

I know, thats why I got the 4

4x8 to be specific

Went with crucial this time around as well

[harsh grotto]

What does “pog” mean?
@stoic wolf play of the game/ pro gamer

[potent creek]

who can i bother with cpu questions

i have amd 8300 fx, it's 2 years old

operating in 12 percentile

what the hell would cause this

i cant open chrome without pulmonary embolisms

[potent creek]

gtx1050, 16gb RAM, MSI 7974 @sour wigeon

[steep coral]

Trying to buy a 5800x bundle, click secure checkout, it just flickers and thats it

[ionic skiff]

whats the difference between a b460, h470, and a z490 motherboard?

[faint ferry]

Do you need a new motherboard when upgrading a cpu? Ryzen wise? Say I have a 3600 and want to go to a 5900x, do I need to swap the mobo or do I just update the new bios>

[clear nova]

ayyyy another fx8300 user

[potent creek]

@clear nova stop it i hate my life

[clear nova]

o

it's fine for most games

i bought a cooler and overclocked it a couple days ago

[potent creek]

mine is old

in 12th percentile performance man

[clear nova]

i have no idea how old mine is, i ripped it off a PC i got for free from a closing LAN cafe

[potent creek]

lmfao

[clear nova]

i'll check mine real quick

[potent creek]

i'm just going to spend the money and get an I9

and grab a new motherboard

1050 is too outdated so it's still useable

so i wait then get 3080

[clear nova]

yea im slowly saving up for a new build

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/PanSpaz/saved/BGVv3C

[devout moth]

Trombley#6935 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[clear nova]

perish mortal

the bot does not permit you to speak

all hail

what did you use to figure out your performance percentile

[pliant jackal]

A 3600 and a 3089

[clear nova]

nvm i got one; i'm in the 33rd percentile

[pliant jackal]

Oh wait a 5600x

[clear nova]

yeee

ppl on google w/ that combination said it should be fine

[pliant jackal]

Yea

I'm going to get a 3070 for my build

I have everything except for that

[clear nova]

i was gonna get a 3070 originally, but i figured i was already spending so much that i may as well bump it up

it's not a huge price increase

[stark laurel]

I went from wanting a 5600x and 3070 to now having ordered a 5900x and planning on a 3080TI. Like wtf?

[clear nova]

anyone know about any software to change how much memory is reserved by the system

my system is reserving 4gb out of the 8gb i have

i'm pretty sure it's being reserved for graphics, but that's super unnecessary. usually there's an option in the BIOS but i cant find mine

[hardy moon]

Run Linux idk windows is wack

[arctic tiger]

Im going to be running a 5 3600X and a 1660 ti ventus xs oc should i get the b550m ds3h or the b450m steel legend

[tawny parcel]

Ive been trying to install ubuntu/popos for hours in total in tired of it

[fickle flax]

b550 @arctic tiger , gives you more room for upgrades in the future

there are better alternatives to the b550 ds3h like the asrock b550 series

[arctic tiger]

Yeah im on a budget tho and i already got a Atx mid tower case but idk if i want the micro atx mobo cause i don want it to look small in the case either

[fickle flax]

where are you buying parts from?

[arctic tiger]

new egg amazon best buy just all over

[fickle flax]

oof wrong link

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4/p/N82E16813157935?Description=asrock b550&cm_re=asrock_b550-_-13-157-935-_-Product

try that

[arctic tiger]

oo I might be behind a like $20 but im sure i could scrape that together

[arctic tiger]

Wait @fickle flax will I need to buy mounting screws or will my case or the mobo come with them

[fickle flax]

havent built a pc in a long while so i dont know if where the mounting screws will come from

im sure it may need some of them

[arctic tiger]

okay ill look it up

[timber jasper]

helo

[arctic tiger]

okay i looked it up and it says they come with your case

[fickle flax]

shouldnt be a problem then

[timber jasper]

i posted this is in the build chat but no one was on that chat so can you reveiw this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B6Yh7X

its not fully done yet tho

[arctic tiger]

I think it looks good but personally I would get a smaller SSD and then buy i HHD so i can put stuff like games on the SSD and other random stuff on the HHD

[timber jasper]

ah ok ok

makes sense

[arctic tiger]

hdd*

[timber jasper]

but i dont really have much random stuff id put on it so thats why i went for 2tbs

[arctic tiger]

ah okay

[timber jasper]

so even if i do have random stuff it would still be fine on the nvme

and if i wanted to i could add a hdd any time

[arctic tiger]

yeah

okay well ima head off to sleep so peace out

[timber jasper]

bye

[toxic tulip]

what's the best b450m for the ryzen 5 5600x ? I don't wish to overclock

[fickle flax]

Go b550

The 5600x isnt made for b450 @toxic tulip

[jolly smelt]

^^

[hollow thorn]

@toxic tulip b450m can't even support 5th gen yet >:p

[neat glacier]

yet key word

if u wait a buncha months it should be ko k

[sour coyote]

is there that much of a difference between ddr4 3600 at cas 18 vs cas 16?

CL*

[patent jewel]

Best motherboard for 5600x from 150-180?

With bios flashback or some form of that

[neat glacier]

really depends on the cpu. for ryzen chips, yes

it's worth the extra 15$

[spice matrix]

Imagine not having 2x8GB ddr3 1866Mhz

[deft helm]

@sour coyote in #links-and-selfpromotion I posted a video that may help explain the CAS latency better for you

[sour coyote]

its for a ryzen system with a 5600x (when they'll exist)

[neat glacier]

@sour coyote it's worth the extra 15$ for 3600mhz cl16 ram

[deft helm]

Agreed

[neat glacier]

you might see a 5-6% performance increase in some tasks

possibly more

[deft helm]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164173?&quicklink=true

This is a good kit

They have it in red and white too

If you prefer the heatsink color

[sour coyote]

thanks for the info!

[sour coyote]

can someone explain me the difference between these 2 ram? The only difference I found was in the SKU, there is a C on one

[midnight pollen]

looks like sub timings, the 16gtzn is 16-16-16-36 while the 16gtznc is 16-19-19-39

[glad lodge]

Any update on when is the Asus Dark hero VIII release date?

[split trout]

The 5600x is better than the 3700x right??

[vivid pewter]

Hey guys should I get a 5600x or 5800x? I will probaly doing cad work along with gaming

[pastel lichen]

Wow. Amazon de-listed all of the new AMD 5000 series of CPUs.

[split trout]

I just got a 5600x pog

[neat estuary]

They are delisted until in stock unless you have a direct link or put one in ur wishlist.

[long basalt]

@vivid pewter Will this CAD work be something you will be making money off of?

If not, then an 5600X will be plenty sufficient.

[vivid pewter]

I am a student currently, but CAD work will be done during my coursework.

[naive pendant]

Is 16-18-18-38 significantly worse than 16-16-16-36 for a ryzen 5600x build?

[hollow thorn]

Straight up perf at xmp, no, die, yes.
It's gonna be DJR/CJR VS B die

[main pulsar]

Mr1111 no you're scaring him

use english

[little pilot]

should i get an i5? or a reyzen 5 3600

[main pulsar]

3600

[little pilot]

ok

[sour coyote]

and the best of both will be the gtzn?

[thin jungle]

Hello all, anyone here with Strix B550-F?

[obsidian peak]

Guys can someone tell me equivalent of ryzen 4650g igpu (vega 7)

[obsidian peak]

I'll be getting it tomorrow

B550f gaming wifi

[thin jungle]

Nice, what kind of PSU you use? Because I noticed that B550-F Gaming only has PCI-E (4 Pin) but ALL PSUs has PCI-E (6+2)? There is no PSU with a cable PCI-E 4 Pin

[obsidian peak]

Wtf. I have corsair vs 550

I think vs 550 has both which u can combine.

From the manual of mobo

Power related
1 x 24-pin Main Power connector
1 x 8-pin +12V Power connector
1 x 4-pin +12V Power connector

[thin jungle]

Yes, that model only has PCI-E (6+2 Pin), but when you read the B550-F on page 1-10 it says something regarding both connections, on the Datasheet shows that above on the Mobo edge are the power connections MB 24-Pin and PCI-E 4-Pin

[naive pendant]

I'm sorry I don't understand most of that

[obsidian peak]

• DO NOT connect the 4-pin power plug only. The motherboard may overheat under
heavy usage.
• Ensure to connect the 8-pin power plug, or connect both the 8-pin and 4-pin power
plugs.
•

It has 8+4

[thin jungle]

That's correct, what I understand is that allow us connect only the main MB 24-Pin, but we do not has a PCI-E with 4 Pin on our PSUs, you got it?

This 4-Pin could be leave it as "Empty" until next PSUs Update or Mobo...

Check your PSU, you should see the main cables:
MB 24-Pin
PCI-E (6+2) Pin
ATX (4+4) Pin

[obsidian peak]

I think ot has 2x6+2

[thin jungle]

Yes, mine Gigabyte has (6+2)x3

[obsidian peak]

I has gigabyte g1 sniper a88x

It had 8 pin

And psu worked fine. I used a 4pin pci for my gtx 660

[thin jungle]

But we can conclude (whether you want to look for any PSU manufacturer) that currently there is no any manufacturer with PCI-E (4-Pin) Connector only they has with mode PCI-E (6+2) Pin

[obsidian peak]

Which psu do u have

[thin jungle]

P650b

[gritty meadow]

@thin jungle there are EPS connectors (what you might know as ATX 8pin) that come in 4pin configurations

[obsidian peak]

Ok. So will vs550 work with b550f?

[gritty meadow]

which is where the confusion might be coming from :)

[thin jungle]

Yes, the VS550 has the same connectors.

Hi Naed, I also was thinking on any cable extension for 8-Pin to 4-Pin but this is not possible only are eps for 4-Pin to 8-Pin haha

[obsidian peak]

Search gigabyte eatx12v_2

Many ppl have asked the same thing

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant then doesn't matter for you

[obsidian peak]

The extra 4pin is only when overclocking or using more than 1 gpu

[hollow thorn]

hm?

Extra 4 pin for extra GPUs are a completely different connector than extra EPS 4 pin

And extra 4 pin EPS is not even needed for OCing on the AM4 platform, no chips can reasonably pull that much power without XOC, at which point you'll be spending enough to justify a better PSU tbh.

[thin jungle]

Something similar told me Asus Technical Support. We can leave it empty, always and when we do not force maximum parameters and extremely OC

[obsidian peak]

Yea we can leave it empty. Not needed

[thin jungle]

OK, gentlemen nice discussion

[obsidian peak]

Yep some have written it's needed for extreme ocing.. Some have mentioned not needed even then

[hollow thorn]

hm

[obsidian peak]

@thin jungle u scared me fot me a moment back then 😂

[hollow thorn]

Do mobos really have that written on lmao

[obsidian peak]

Read on asus forum

[hollow thorn]

fun

[thin jungle]

Have a good one, camrades

[obsidian peak]

Thanks guys

[hollow thorn]

anyways, some numbers to think about, something like 150w is what the 8 pin is rated for, and if it's anything like PCIe 8 pin, it can pull up to 300w or so without any burning issues.

[obsidian peak]

Vs550 doesn't have the 8pin pci

So no worries 😂

[split trout]

So is the 5600x better than the 3700x?

[hollow thorn]

For gaming, hell yes

multicore, not really

[split trout]

Big difference with multicore?

[hollow thorn]

not too big

5600x gets close ish

[split trout]

Also does it come with a fan in the box?

Because I ordered the 5600x today but don’t know if a cooler is included?

[hollow thorn]

It does

Wraith stealth I believe

[split trout]

Oh good

Can I overclock on that?

[hollow thorn]

PBO, yes, you could run PBO on it.

if you want 5ghz or smth, no, you know that.

[winged parcel]

any recomendations on 3600mhz cl 16-18 memory (preferable 8x2)

[patent jewel]

Best motherboard for 5600x with bios flashback 150-180 before tax
@ me with answers if possible

[hollow thorn]

@patent jewel I'd say an Aorus elite ax at ~160$ is an option, do you need wifi?

[glad lodge]

Question when buying memory. If it says intel xmp does it mean it only works in intel cpu?

[storm perch]

isnt intel xmp the software for oc?

[glad lodge]

Not sire

[hollow thorn]

@glad lodge XMP is only the technology for the profile for frequency and timings, works for both.

[glad lodge]

Thank you. So when deciding on memory just pick any memory? Both should work on intel cpu or amd?

[storm perch]

yeah

[glad lodge]

Ok thanks!

[remote sluice]

hiu guys so im trying to fit my mootherboard into the io shield hole thingy (it comes with a preinstalled io shield)and is that supposed to clip through the case and stay on the outside? just asking because u have to push the whole motherboard to do that and i dont wanna break it so heres my partslist https://pcpartpicker.com/user/tommysalamii/saved/FnyC6h

[patent jewel]

@hollow thorn yea I do because my router is downstairs so I would need to run an ethernet cable to my room from downstairs tldr: yes

[opal pier]

Hey there, I had a question as I was stuck between two possible ram choices for my pc build. I am still unsure about either getting the G Skill Royal 16gb 3200 or the G Skill Neo 16gb 3600. I really like the design of the royal, however, if the 3600 has much better and noticeable performances, I’d hate to choose the slower ram option. Any advice? Thanks.

[gritty meadow]

what is the CL number on both @opal pier

[opal pier]

One second

Both are CL16

Are links allowed?

[gritty meadow]

IF you are on AMD, then 3600 is what you want,

[opal pier]

Is there a big difference in performance?

[gritty meadow]

from 3200 to 3600?

[opal pier]

Yes

I noticed that the royal is usually more expensive than the neo

But because of the sale, it is now flipped

They are at almost even prices

Which is why I am in this dilemma

[gritty meadow]

imo, the 3600 is worth the normal extra

IF you take a look here

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hGWbK4

that is no frills ram, the difference is about 30usd on a 2 * 16 kit

i personally think that is worth it

its your call if whatever extra you are paying for the RGB is worth it for you

[neat estuary]

5800x boosts to 4.850 on all cores in single core r20... It raises temps to 83c under a 360 AIO.. scoreing in at 5800

[opal pier]

I see you have the ripjaws but not the neo and royal

Are they still the same model and you are using them as reference

[gritty meadow]

please read again

its reference for the difference in cost between the "base" modules

[opal pier]

Understood

I was going for 8*2

Same difference in pricing?

[gritty meadow]

in theory, there should be a bit less of a difference

as in, 3600 should be closer to 3200

but another way to look at the choice is this:

its a long term investment in the machine

[opal pier]

Affirmative

[gritty meadow]

the 3600 will give you "X amount" of extra life to the machine

and in that way, the price is nothing

[opal pier]

Is there a reason as to why the royal 82 cl16 3200 was so much more than neo 3600 cl16 82 at original price

[gritty meadow]

heck knows

[opal pier]

Like 50$ or somewhat

Just for the showy looks you think?

[gritty meadow]

aye

or because a vendor might have marked it up

or a bunch of other potential reasons

[opal pier]

I see

So your call would be the neo over the royal

That x amount of extra life over the looks

[vivid lynx]

are you better off getting the exact same ram as the one you have

[prisma nymph]

yes

very very much

[vivid lynx]

so i have HyperX FURY 16GB 2x 8GB 3200MHz DDR4

[gritty meadow]

basically yes @opal pier

[opal pier]

But the royal looks so good :0

Ok I’ll take your advice into consideration

Thanks for the help

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome @opal pier and best of luck :)

[silver pewter]

Where are all the 3600s lol?? I needs 'em

[violet zealot]

People want upgrades and that's the cheapest option for well-balanced performance

[languid lion]

Hey so, if my computer one day overheated, shut itself off, and every subsequent time I tried to start it, it would blink for one second and turn back off... is that mobo, cpu or something else? I checked the power supply, replaced it, and it still won't work.

[coarse depot]

try memory

re seat one of the sticks on the second slot from lef t to right

and test with any other sticks you have

then try all of them

@languid lion

[languid lion]

Okay I"ll give it a shot. thanks

[coarse depot]

take all the sticks out* THEN re seat one of the sticks on the second slot from lef t to right

@languid lion just re worded a bit

kinda makes all the diff tho

so make sure to read it

[ionic skiff]

whats the difference between z490 and other lga1200 motherboards?

[late pine]

z490 allows cpu and ram overclocking

[naive pendant]

my cpu rn is an Intel Core i5-4460 which is

well dodoostinky

but uh

does anyone think upgrading from an i5-4460 to an Ryzen 3 3300X is best for budget?

i compared them and it seems to be really good for the price

[south swan]

mobo recommendations for a 5900x? (No overclocking, I don't trust myself)

[fallen lynx]

@ionic skiff they are two completely different things. LGA1200 is a CPU socket form factor, z490 is a MB chipset

@south swan what is the budget?

[ionic skiff]

ah I see

so what is the difference between those various chipsets then

[south swan]

@fallen lynx Preferably no more than $250

[fallen lynx]

oh

basically any B550

[south swan]

Just curious, is the budget on the high or low side of what you would recommend for a 5900x?

[fallen lynx]

maybe Asrock B550 steel legend is good price/performance if you have that much of a budget

[south swan]

I'll look into it more later tonight, thanks!

[fallen lynx]

With that budget you can probably go up to gigabyte aorus master I think

For you it's going to be more about rear IO and features

[azure cave]

whats the best micro atx am4 board that is not crazy expensive

[supple tundra]

guys i need help

my cpu core temps are very different

internet says it could be uneven paste

but its very uneven

[glad lodge]

Does anyone here know when is the release date of the Asus Dark Hero VIII motherboard?

[high shoal]

what motherboards are compatible with the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Vermeer 3.7GHz 6-Core AM4??

[severe skiff]

b550s and x570s

[azure cave]

what is the difference between b550 and x570 boards

[grand tartan]

Is b450 tomahawk max with ryzen 5 3600 still a good choice?

[south swan]

@azure cave tons of smaller differences, like pcie gen 3 vs gen 4, etc. It really varies by board, because they've all kind of mixed into a pool at this point. The internet can explain those differences better than I can

[supple tundra]

b450s will receive a bios update early next year to support 5000 series if you are willing to wait

@high shoal

[gritty meadow]

@grand tartan with b550 being priced as they are? no

[south swan]

@grand tartan I would recommend going for a b550 (for upgradability and power delivery + features), but if b450 feel a bit lighter on your budget, then yes. Most b450s are just fine with the 3600 and should be okay with the 5600x down the road, but you'll have to check on that one.

[gritty meadow]

@supple tundra also, Asrock has already posted their beta bios for zen3 on b450 boards

[supple tundra]

oh cool

[gritty meadow]

it was .. 1 or 2 days ago

[supple tundra]

has anyone tested them

[gritty meadow]

have not looked if anyone has

personally i think its nice, but not really all that relevant

[supple tundra]

k thanks

didnt know that

👍

[gritty meadow]

so, with that in mind, i have not been rushing around looking for reviews yet :)

plenty of more interesting stuff happening right now (6000 stuff etc etc) :)

[supple tundra]

vouch

[grand tartan]

Was thinking about the $40-50 difference between b450 and b550

[gritty meadow]

@grand tartan only if you believe in the VRM fairy tale :)

[neat perch]

Will a Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Master handle multiple displays? If so, How many, and through what types of ports? I can only see one HDMI, no DMI, and my monitors are not TBolt.

Next question. Does the Gigabyte Z490 have the native capability for Bluetooth 5, and 802.11 AX?

[gritty meadow]

@neat perch do you plan on having a GPU aside from the integrated?

re: next question: which z490 board are you asking about specifically?

[neat perch]

Don't know. That's why I'm asking. On which z490 board? I guess I wasn't specific enough. I thought that a Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Master was enough to identify it. Here goes more information: LGA 1200, running at 2966.

[gritty meadow]

it was enough, for the first question, just didnt know if it was the same board you asked the second question about :)

so that is a yes for the second question

[neat perch]

If I have to have additional GPUs, I only have older graphic cards to handle DVI. Maybe I need to breakdown and buy two more?

[gritty meadow]

a single card can handle a bunch of monitors

[neat perch]

Thank you for the second question answer. That helps greatly?

[gritty meadow]

its all about what you want to actually "do"

[neat perch]

I just need to run dual monitors. Nothing heavy, not for gaming completely, but heavy display usage for teaching at the University and doing lots of course prep.

[gritty meadow]

any gpu will do that for you

just a question of your monitor inputs really

[neat perch]

But, evidently not the native one that comes on the board itself?

These were purchased 4 weeks ago, but now I'm not sure of them. They are 36" monitors, but have the capability of only HDMI, or DVI.

[gritty meadow]

unless they have wired it such that the usb c can output the display info from the integrated, no.

let me just have a look, 1 min

[neat perch]

Okay. That probably answers all my unintelligent questions on the MB. My old 6 year old graphic cards will have to do a yoeman's duty.

I'll wait. Thanks.

[gritty meadow]

aye, based on what they say in their manual

you need a GPU

are you located in the US?

[neat perch]

Any suggestions? Yes. I'm in Arizona.

[gritty meadow]

you can solve it in a number of ways.

You can either go: this will never really game at all

which would mean a 40-ish usd investment in a GPU

or you could go with something that has some actual computing power behind it, which would be 130-ish as a starting point

[neat perch]

Suggestions on the 130 starting point? I last purchased GPUs over 12 years ago.

The 6 year old cards I have were given to me, so I'm a newbie on cards.

[gritty meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6hKhP6/asus-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-4gb-phoenix-video-card-ph-gtx1050ti-4g <- something like that-ish

[naive pendant]

1050s are around 130 second hand now right?

[gritty meadow]

they should be a good deal lower than that @naive pendant

considering the 1050ti is 140usd

[naive pendant]

Oh yeah fair

[neat perch]

Great! I'll work on the cards. I'm assuming that NewEgg has them.

[gritty meadow]

aye, they should :)

i would recommend that you perhaps ask some colleagues what they might be using

because i dont know anything about what actual benefit you might get with your specific workload etc etc etc

i hope that makes sense to you @neat perch

[neat perch]

I understand, but believe me when I say that they are less computer savy than am I.

[gritty meadow]

fair :)

you got a IT department?

i know, working from home and all that

but still, those guys should/might know something about it :)

[neat perch]

Yes, but the IT department won't help us with personal computers, only if we have a problem in our classroom or in our offices.

[gritty meadow]

ah, fair

sometimes they are willing, sometimes they are not :)

IF i was you, i would stretch for something like the GTX 1650 thou, which is a much more modern card, at 150usd.

[neat perch]

You've been very helpful here. I'll not take up any more time today. I'll get my system ordered and see what happens! I'm going to get the Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Master, the Intel Z490 Processor, the Cooler Master ML240, cooler, 1 32 GB Corsair Vengence LPX memory card, and now the Asus Graphic cards. Should do more than needed, but last me a long time. O

[gritty meadow]

and from that point, it just goes up and up price and performance wise :)

[neat perch]

Okay. I will do the GTX 1650.

[gritty meadow]

hang on a sec

there is something in that list that does not make sense

2 things actually

could you double check the cpu choice?

because that is not a actual cpu name :)

[neat perch]

It's in a NewEgg bundle that includes the Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Master, and the LGA 1200 Intel Z490 processor.

[gritty meadow]

could you link me that bundle please?

[neat perch]

Hold on a minute or two.

[gritty meadow]

no rush :)

@naive pendant i see you lurking, what do you want to ask/say? :)

[neat perch]

Well, I have it up on my other monitor, but I'm not sure how to send a screen shot of it. The URL link is:https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i9-10850k-core-i9-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118175?Item=N82E16819118175 Then the bundle is the third item from the left. For $709.98.

[gritty meadow]

that answers what CPU it is then

thank you @naive pendant

[naive pendant]

Yes?

[gritty meadow]

sorry! wrong @ :)

[naive pendant]

All good haha

[gritty meadow]

@neat perch thank you for the link. That answers the cpu question :)

next one is this: You mentioned "1 32 GB Corsair Vengence LPX memory card,"

[neat perch]

Okay. what was the second question.

[gritty meadow]

could you link me that?

[naive pendant]

Yeah that’s what I was going to mention

[neat perch]

One minute.

[naive pendant]

I thought I was just crazy

[gritty meadow]

nah, its a normal thing to happen. Because it does not say anywhere that dual is the way to go :)

[neat perch]

I was going to go with one 32 for later upgrade to 64 or even to the 128 if I got ansy. But to go to 128 all the cards have to be 32. Do I have to have multiple cards in the slots for the memory to work?

[gritty meadow]

it works in pairs of 2

as in, technically, it will work with 1 stick

but you half the performance of the cpu itself

[neat perch]

https://www.newegg.com/tools/custom-pc-builder/pl/ID-147/Page-4?N=601349177 500002048 8000 50001459

[gritty meadow]

so a 32 kit would consist of 2sticks of 16

[neat perch]

So why would just one stick give half the performance? Seems to my feeble mind that 32 GB is 32, whether it's one stick, or 2.

[gritty meadow]

it has to do with how Ram works

the bandwidth that a single stick alone can supply is ½

that is how the system is engineered (is the simple answer)

[neat perch]

So should I get two 16s and if I want to ever get more than 64 (4 16s), then get rid of my 16s and go to 32's?

[gritty meadow]

aye, i would recommend that for the more budget friendly option

because 2 * 32 is a fair deal of money

[neat perch]

So do I get memory in multiples of 2, always?

[gritty meadow]

for that system? yes

[neat perch]

Boy, am I glad I put out my total configuration.

[gritty meadow]

there are some that does 3 sticks at a time, and some that do 4 sticks at a time :)

[neat perch]

I'll start with 2 and go from there.

[gritty meadow]

yes

[neat perch]

Yes.

Total memory in the Z490 will go to 128

[gritty meadow]

next question, also related to ram is this: What speed are the sticks?

[neat perch]

The motherboard says it will natively go to 2933, and Overclock to 5200. I couldn't find 2933 memory, so I was going to go with 3000, since I don't need overclocking.

[gritty meadow]

aye aye

[neat estuary]

Gives me a hard on

[gritty meadow]

the benefit from going above 2933 is very very very slim for your use case

[neat perch]

That was my thought as well. Glad you confirmed it.

[gritty meadow]

however, based on the link you posted earlier, there are way cheaper options for you

[neat perch]

Did everything else seem okay to you? Not holding your feet to the fire, mind you.

On the memory, you mean?

[gritty meadow]

https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331356?Item=N82E16820331356 <- that would work just fine for you

and its 95usd for 32 gigs (2 * 16)

[neat perch]

Much better!

[gritty meadow]

could you add that, and then share this link with me?

yours ofc will be different in letters

[neat perch]

I, so much appreciate all of this information. It should help me in not making a bigger mistake than I was going to.

Can I add what? and share what? Now I'm lost.

[gritty meadow]

you have a list on newegg right?

[neat perch]

I've just been looking up items by going to NewEgg. Not sure what you mean by ofc and list.

[gritty meadow]

ofc = off course

[neat perch]

WOW, am I that old!?

[gritty meadow]

list = newegg has a built in "builder" that can generate lists

[neat perch]

Yes, I am. 77 years old and trying.

[gritty meadow]

not quite double of me, but getting there :)

[neat perch]

Hmmm. I'll go in and give it a try.

[gritty meadow]

dont worry about it for now

i would however like to know more about what other parts you are ordering ?

[neat perch]

Okay. I think I'll just go in and order my components with the changes you've suggested.

I already have an ATX case, but I'm a little concerned as to whether it will handle the Cooler, or not. I was looking at the Cooler Master ML240. Maybe that's overkill as well. As to other components. Just adding more fans if needed. I have a Black Widow 750 Watt power supply already. I also have a 4 TB Seagate hard drive and a 2 TB SSD by Crucial.

I don't see the need for a DVD/BlueRay, as my external SSDs (1 TB) will do me fine.

[gritty meadow]

correct

and if you do need a dvd/bluray reader/writer, you can always just buy a usb based one

[neat perch]

I have one of those. It does work when needed.

[gritty meadow]

:)

your 2tb SSD, is that new?

[neat perch]

I assume the power supply will be more than adequate?

[gritty meadow]

it should be.

[neat perch]

I think so. It came out about 3 weeks ago and I grabbed one. It's internal. The 1TB SSD is external.

[gritty meadow]

okay

i am guessing that you will be using windows?

[neat perch]

Yes. Windows 10. I do have a MAC, but I'm not going to build one.

[gritty meadow]

do you have a plan for the install of windows?

[neat perch]

I thought of using Linux Mint, but, here we go ... my collegues wouldn't be able to use some of my material. Oh, well.

[gritty meadow]

:)

[neat perch]

Plan of installation? Yes. I have a DVD with Windows 10 on it and know how to do a clean install, at least I hope so.

[gritty meadow]

i would STRONGLY suggest that you look into how to do a install of windows from a USB stick instead

you will save yourself a LOT of time that way

[neat perch]

I can do that, but I don't have WIN10 on a USB.

[gritty meadow]

2sec

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows10

there is the link @neat perch

the requirement is the following:

[neat perch]

Won't I have to pay for it again?

[gritty meadow]

you have the license/serial number in the CD cover ?

[neat perch]

Yes.

[gritty meadow]

that will work.

the advantage is this:

[neat perch]

Okay. Then will this link show me how to put WIN10 on my USB?