cpus-mobo-and-memory

[hollow thorn]

:P

[frigid raven]

Why dont you like aiod

[late pine]

nzxt has 6 year warrenty which is the main selling point

[shadow hearth]

photoshop currently doesn't efficiently utilize multi cores for some reason. could change with an update in the future though.

[frigid raven]

Aios

[hollow thorn]

until NZXT makes well priced products that provide good cooling

[late pine]

gen 7 pump is also very durable

[hollow thorn]

@frigid raven an Arctic Freezer ii 240mm aio at 105usd beats that aio

easily

[violet zealot]

I've seen their most recent AIOs are really good

[late pine]

if you are trying to get a good value I feel like an air cooler is better overall

[hollow thorn]

@violet zealot until you look at other new AIOs on the market

Freezer ii and EK-AIO mainly

[violet zealot]

I don't care for AIOs though, I'd rather an air cooler

[hollow thorn]

me too

but I can stand freezer ii, it's a pretty good value proposition for the performance.

[frigid raven]

So 5600x is better even though less cores less threads and lower ghs

[hollow thorn]

Here's the thing

Single thread perf comes from 2 things

Frequency and iPC

[late pine]

5600x should be higher clock speed?

[hollow thorn]

iPC wise, AMD gets ~20% gain from Zen 2 to Zen 3

[violet zealot]

It's single core is that much faster that it's better in a bunch of things

[hollow thorn]

doesn't matter if it's 100mhz slower

if iPC is 20% better

[shadow hearth]

Noctua NH=d15 has been the goto aircooler.

[hollow thorn]

@shadow hearth I've been liking suggesting NH-U12a

D15 too messy with ram compatibility

[violet zealot]

Most air coolers in that price point are like within ~2% from what I've seen

[hollow thorn]

ofc, it's a 2c difference that separates the best from the mediocre

[late pine]

if you are not overclocking a ~$30 air cooler should be fine imo

[shadow hearth]

@hollow thorn Is that the version with height adjustable fans

[hollow thorn]

Gammaxx 400 remains my go-to cheap cooler that works

[violet zealot]

My Gammaxx 400, I got for 20 bucks and that thing is pretty great

[hollow thorn]

@shadow hearth no, different cooler.

[long acorn]

AIO on 5600x, isn't that a bit of a waste?
Putting extra money spent on AIO into a 30$ air cooler and buying the next step up CPU would possibly be better end-result. The Ryzen will clock itself as-per the cooling available. That said, if you buy a CPU without an included cooler, some people may prefer a quality Noctua or whatever air-cooler on Ryzen (an NH-D15 is enough to cool a 3950x). AIO may leak at some point, which is always a small risk. Some pumps are significantly louder than Noctua fans running a modest speed, for the record.

[violet zealot]

I have a 2600 at 4ghz, I haven't tried pushing 4.2. I settled at 1.3v

[hollow thorn]

@long acorn I gotta lure them in with a Freezer ii first >:D

but yea

gammaxx 400 is my go to still

People who want the looks of an aio, I just suggest freezer ii

the performance for the price is really damn good

[shadow hearth]

Freezers are awesome. But don't they lack RGB.

[hollow thorn]

U12a:

Oh, U12a also has the godly NF-A12x25s

D15 is chonky, pretty different.

[violet zealot]

How's the U12S?

[hollow thorn]

U12s perf wise is a gammaxx 400

[long acorn]

Granted, most AIO configurations won't make it semi-impossible to get to the 12v CPU power pins when servicing or upgrading the system like an air cooler in tower shape does - though that's not a very common need that arises. Keep in mind Noctua NH-D14 / NH-D15 coolers perform comparably to an AIO.

[violet zealot]

Alright, I'll stick to the Gammaxx then

[hollow thorn]

the pricing doesn't make sense for it, 60usd that's comparable with 30usd coolers

@long acorn eh, everything gets close enough when you get up there to good coolers, but freezer ii maintains a quantifiable lead over d15/chonky air coolers

[frigid raven]

Corsair CX Series 650 Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified Modular Power Supply (CP-9020103-NA) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B72W1VA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabt1_e6dSFbMPG0896?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Is that a good psu

[hollow thorn]

CXm, no

lots of coil whine

[frigid raven]

What should i get

Thatll work with a 3070

[hollow thorn]

@frigid raven let's continue going down the list one part at a time

[frigid raven]

Ok

[hollow thorn]

Motherboard, why?

[long acorn]

Who is the OEM for that series of Corsair power supplies?

[frigid raven]

550

[hollow thorn]

@long acorn mostly CWT

[frigid raven]

You said 550 was good

[hollow thorn]

some high end like AXi goes to seasonic

@frigid raven price.

[long acorn]

Oh Channel Well Tech, okay, thanks @hollow thorn

[frigid raven]

@frigid raven price.
@hollow thorn not worth for price?

[hollow thorn]

Something like a B550 pro-vdh wifi is like 115usd

that is 160

:P

meh, not a huge problem

[violet zealot]

There's comparable B550 boards that are far cheaper, but you know it's up to you what you're willing to spend and what features you need

[hollow thorn]

B550-a pro if you want full atx, 130$

[frigid raven]

Ok

Ill get that

[shadow hearth]

there should be a lot of black friday sales b550s and x570s along with 5000x combos

[hollow thorn]

SSD same thing, 970 evo is lower price than usual

but still overpriced

[late pine]

if you spend the money you saved on other parts on your nvme you could go up to 1 tb

[hollow thorn]

MP34 512gb better priced

ofc you can get 1tb too

if you want

[long acorn]

Yes I was aware the higher end ones were still using Seasonic as the OEM, but I know Corsair can really be hit or miss - get 10 years out of one unit but another model might last 3~4 years and then is insufficient when under load. I've tended to stick to Seasonic for all my PSU needs (on any build 400 USD or more), for that reason.

[shadow hearth]

got a good deal on the 980 during prime days. they're bound to go on sale again.

[hollow thorn]

we're saving money on everything else >:D

[frigid raven]

SSD same thing, 970 evo is lower price than usual
@hollow thorn oh yeah i switched that out

[violet zealot]

It's the same price as the 970 from what I can find

[hollow thorn]

@long acorn heh, I mean RMx is a pretty great PSU, on CWT.

Revolution d.f. should also be on CWT, couldn't find specifics

I'd still go on a model-to-model basis

Seasonic isn't the end all best PSU

[long acorn]

Try to push for 1tb NVME drive, especially if you don't like having to load games off a hard drive.

[frigid raven]

Me

[hollow thorn]

Mp34 1tb at like 107usd

we're gonna save enough on the rest of the list for you to fit in a 1tb nvme

it's a nice to have, but your choice

[frigid raven]

Sure

[shadow hearth]

could I have gotten the same performance out of a 970 for cheaper then the 980? probably. But I can sleep well knowing I'm utilizing my pcie 4 m.2 bus so save me 1 millisecond.

[long acorn]

107$ USD is good price for NVME drive.

[frigid raven]

I was planning on a 2tb hdd

[late pine]

on prime day the sx8200 pro was only $107

[hollow thorn]

mhm

[late pine]

samsung-tier performane

[hollow thorn]

but MP34 STILL WINS PRICE >:DDD

@late pine sadly it falls behind more nowadays

they changed controller

[late pine]

I got the old controller\

:P

[hollow thorn]

mhm

[late pine]

but yeah that's pretty shady

[hollow thorn]

meh, it's close enough

but it's no longer chart topping in like

ATTO

[violet zealot]

Oh shame, I was looking to get that one for a second nvme

I guess I'll shop around either way

[hollow thorn]

MP34 >:D

MP34 is really good value, Phison E12 controller with dram.

[long acorn]

Gotta love those mid-life product revisions in the name of cost-cutting - especially when they don't change model numbers at all. Dealt with that on Gigabyte and other brands motherboards a few times... even a Kingston SSD-Now! drive where they swapped synchronous nand for a-sync nand.

[hollow thorn]

@frigid raven oh well, next, Case

NZXT

need to drill holes in their cases

[violet zealot]

Tempered glass goes brrrr

[late pine]

meshify is a good deal rn

[hollow thorn]

TD500 mesh always good

meshify needs more fans >:D

[violet zealot]

Oh that is a good deal...

[late pine]

I posted a tech deal

[hollow thorn]

still 10$ shipping tho

[late pine]

$10 140mm fan with $10 MIR

so free fan

stonks

I think it's expired by now tho

[long acorn]

I've had really good impressions on Fractal cases, if it's worth anything. Not as fancy looking as Lian-Li but almost every bit as well made. It's no Corsair 900d though - but neither is the price.

[hollow thorn]

hm?

yea there's no MIL I see rn

Coolermaster makes some great cases nowadays imo

[late pine]

https://www.newegg.com/enermax-uctb14-case-fan/p/N82E16835214036?Item=N82E16835214036

[hollow thorn]

Their TD500 mesh and H500 are chart toppers

[late pine]

free dan

fan

[hollow thorn]

lol

[late pine]

4 interest-free payments of $2.50

big brain

[long acorn]

Who in their right mind needs to finance 10$???! They shouldn't be on PC parts sites, if so.

I didn't know there was even a market for that

[late pine]

I think they just advertise the payment plan on everything

like I doubt they manually added it to this fan

[frigid raven]

Should i just use the and stock cooler instead of the x63

[late pine]

if you are ok with a bit of fan noise the stock cooler is fine

[hollow thorn]

You could

Gammaxx 400 also works

[frigid raven]

I dont care about fan noise

[late pine]

then just use stock

you can upgrade later

[hollow thorn]

yea

[frigid raven]

Ok

I mainly want the nzxt cause the look and i heard performance is also good

[late pine]

it is overkill for your cpu

if you want more performance you could get more by spending more on other components

rather than on the cpu cooler

[frigid raven]

But dont the case only come with 2 fans

I can have 4 if i get the cooler right

[late pine]

3 if you pick up the free one

[frigid raven]

Free?

[late pine]

you can just order fans

they are much cheaper lmao

yeah if you scroll up I linked one that is free if you do the MIR

you only get one mir tho

so you can only get one for free

[frigid raven]

Ok

[hollow thorn]

@frigid raven lemme just

[frigid raven]

Ooh ok

[ionic skiff]

is an i9 worth it

not the 10900k but like maybe the 10850k

its on sale right for 600

im assuming ill be doing some dev stuff down the line so

[hollow thorn]

I suggest you take a look at AMD's lineup.

[ionic skiff]

thanks

[latent mist]

@ionic skiff Is worth the i9

But no for that price

On amazon i think is cheaper

[ionic skiff]

i meant 600 cad my bad

[latent mist]

😮

xd

[ionic skiff]

around 460 usd

[hollow thorn]

that changes things

[latent mist]

So, i think is worth

[hollow thorn]

@ionic skiff if you can get a z490 board at a reasonable price, yea that's worth it.

[ionic skiff]

cool thanks

yea i hope black friday has z490 mobos for slae

how does the i9-10900K differ from the 10850K?

[hollow thorn]

better bin

that's it

[violet zealot]

I think you can also typically find the 10850k closer to msrp than the 10900k right?

Oh I take that back it seems you can actually get them for msrp finally

[ionic skiff]

i mean theyre both avaliable here in canada

10900k is like 570 usd

and 10850k is for 460 usd on sale

so

[violet zealot]

From what I've seen they really aren't that far off in terms of performance

[ionic skiff]

yea i looked at some benhmark tests and theyre basically the same

[violet zealot]

That's one expensive number

[vast granite]

so question i havent finished the video but I am watching the gamer nexus video on 2 vs 4 sticks of ram for the 5600x is this the video that goes over single rank vs dual rank when going fron 8gb sticks to 16 gb sticks

because from what I can tell im just going to run 2x8 sticks and add an additional 2 sticks later

[quasi grotto]

Does Intel 6th gen have the same socket as Intel 8th gen

[tribal yoke]

what does msi flash bios buttons do?

[loud sinew]

So pretty much my cpu cooler and heat sink blocks my ram so I have to remove it to put new ram

I’ve never seen this heat sink and I have no idea how to remove it

I’ll dm pics of it if anyone wants to help

[tribal yoke]

getting rid of ram heat sinks?

[loud sinew]

No my heat sink blocks my ram and I want to replace my ram so I have to remove my heat sink

[tribal yoke]

oh

idk i dont have a pc

[ionic skiff]

is getting an unlocked version of any intel cpu worth it?

because like doesnt overclocking give minor difference or you dont even need to overclock if youre buying like an i9 that already has so much power

[hollow thorn]

Uh

[tranquil wolf]

IMO if you're not planning to OC why spend the extra money on an unlocked? just save the money

[high steeple]

@ionic skiff Personally, I would get overclocked. You do spend some more money on the processor, however it allows you be able it overclock it in the future for other tasks that you might need even more power for. Plus you might regret not spending a bit more to get a better K series processor.

Also, overclocking can give a minor difference or a larger difference depending on how you are overlocking the chip.

[ionic skiff]

hmm yea

the thing is though

im looking at an i9

the 10900 is 620 cad (470 usd) and the 10900K is 750 cad (750 usd). also canadian sales tax is 13 percent so its a pretty big price differenc e

so idk if its worth it

[violet zealot]

Honestly the K Skus are just bad value with how much more they charge for them

Sure you can overclock them to your hearts content and that's great, but is it really worth the extra money?

I suppose it is if you value getting the absolute best performance, otherwise eh

[ionic skiff]

yea idk if ill really be overclocking

[violet zealot]

If you're mostly concerned with gaming, get the 10700. Like it's fine, you don't need to worry about overclocking and if anything it's better. The Intel ringbus actually has slight diminishing returns with latency past 8 cores

Otherwise, if more threads would be useful then yeah 10900

[ionic skiff]

yea ill need the extra cores and threads

i gues i9 10900 it is

i was looking at the i9 10850k as well because it looks like it has similar performance to the 10900k plus its overclockable but idk

[violet zealot]

Well if it's not much more than the 10900 then the choice is obvious

[gilded plume]

I have a b450 gaming plus max mobo that is showing a red cpu debug light, I have flashed the bios twice and still shows

Bad mobo?

[violet zealot]

Either that or the CPU isn't working

[gilded plume]

Cpu was getting warm so some activity was happening

[ionic skiff]

wait so how does the 10850K perform compared to the 10900 overclocking aside?

[tawdry bridge]

When is the ryzen 5 3600 coming back in stock

[green terrace]

@ionic skiff They’re actually the same processor but the 10900k is a higher bin

[eager shore]

bruh the 3600xt is cheaper than the 3600x and 3600 rn on pcpp

[violet zealot]

From which store?

[eager shore]

amazon

[ionic skiff]

@ionic skiff They’re actually the same processor but the 10900k is a higher bin
@green terrace whats a bin?

[obsidian acorn]

should I get the B550-F? 30 dollar off sale on newegg

[hollow thorn]

hm?

for 160usd it's still not great

[obsidian acorn]

recommendations?

[hollow thorn]

gah I liked the B550 Aorus Elite AX at 150$... But it's gone now

Something like a B550 Phantom gaming 4 will likely do you fine

[green terrace]

@ionic skiff Higher quality silicon. It reaches similar clock speeds using less power

[vast granite]

Puter is ready and mobo will be flashed tomorrow hope it goes well 🤞

[ionic skiff]

bruh higher quality silicon for 150 dollars naw bruh thats not worth it lmao

[green terrace]

I completely agree

But if you wanted the best, that was it

[ionic skiff]

I just need an intel based cpu better than the i7 that’s worth it lol

[naive pendant]

Is gskill ripjaws V cl16 3600mhz 4x8gb a good pair for the 5600x?

[green terrace]

Yes

[naive pendant]

Thanks

[vale yarrow]

is there any worth in going for a 3700x over a 3600

[high steeple]

Anyone know if thrradriper 1900x is any good for gaming?

[violet zealot]

No, it's not

Would be better off with a 3700X for less money at that, even has the same amount of threads

[high steeple]

Mhm

Bwas just asking as I haven't seen thus chip before lol

[shadow seal]

the 5900x blows it out of the water now

[high steeple]

This

[violet zealot]

First gen threadripper required game mode through Ryzen Master to turn off half the cores just so it got a latency bump

[high steeple]

Ah

[violet zealot]

I would say anything blows it out of the water really, honestly it's weird cause it's 8 cores threadripper. So you aren't really getting anything over 8 core ryzen except for PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory

So it has those advantages, but otherwise pretty much nothing else

[high steeple]

Alri

Ye

[tribal yoke]

the second part im buying for my future pc is a 300 dollar motherboard

why

becuase it has everything

[naive pendant]

if the motherboard isnt rbg then its performance is bag

bad

but how much more efficent are desktops motherboards compared to laptop?

hmm

okay thank you

are there any early like early LGA775 socket era laptop motherboards with 4 changable ram slots?

[mental jungle]

Are you looking to build a laptop?

[naive pendant]

no

i have a ton of spare parts just laying around, 2 cpus 4 gb of ram, 3 laptop motherboards, 2 hard drives, speakers disk drives, two lcds.... and i was wondering if there was a laptop motherboard i could load with ram, i heard that desktop and laptop ram is different so i was thinking get one of those off ebay or something and have a better laptop then what I have till i can build something a lot better

[mental jungle]

Honestly 4gb or ram is going to get you nowhere fast

The bare min to run windows 10 and have it even half way function is 8

You could do 4 if you wanyed but it would be quite slow

[hollow thorn]

Not always

[naive pendant]

4 4gb of ram

so 16 total

[mental jungle]

Ah ok

[timber trout]

Anyone around who is knowledgeable about low power (TDP <= 35W) CPUs? I'm looking to build a NAS that will be easy on my electric bill.

[naive pendant]

laptop copmpoents arnt always soldred on.....

ah

[tribal yoke]

if the motherboard isnt rbg then its performance is bag
@naive pendant this 300 mobo has no rgb sorry

more money doesnt always mean more better
@fickle flax yeah i knkw but its a good mobo, alot of features i like and need and will last me a long time and made my a company i trust

[hollow thorn]

@timber trout you probably want to look around serve the home, they have a lot of info for home nas

[timber trout]

@hollow thorn thanks!

[candid vale]

is the gigabyte aours eliete better than the steel legend

[balmy wraith]

Which CPU is better for gaming? 5800x or 5900x? Which one should I go with? Mobo: crosshair viii hero, gpu will probably be 6800XT

Memory will be GSkill 32gb (16x2) cl16

[naive pendant]

5900x

get crucial ballistix not gskill

[versed flame]

Why crucial over g.skill?

[dire bluff]

I just bought some trident z neo cl14 3800 32gb (4x8gb)

[balmy wraith]

Yea, why ballistix over gskill?

[dire bluff]

Not sure why crucial ballistix would be a definitive better option over gskill

[balmy wraith]

Ive actually seen some superb reviews for the g.skill, and it also in the qvl list of my mobo, so I think it will perform great overall

[uneven onyx]

5600x is the one you want if you're just gaming

5900x is if you also do real work with it

5800x is available for purchase

pick your poison

i just came to post this though

[balmy wraith]

Lol

[long acorn]

DDR 400mhz lives matter!

[uneven onyx]

speaking of ram speed, has anyone heard much about the 5000 series quad vs dual and the effect of the ram speeds

i've heard a few different things but havent gotten them confirmed so i dont want to spread misinformation

like i saw on a site that they'll perform best with 64gb or more ram with 4000mhz or higher which seems crazy

[stark slate]

Is buying a 4x8GB kit the same as buying 2 of 2x8GB of the same type? Seems like they charge a bit more for just getting all 4

and the model # is slightly off

[frosty cliff]

[naive pendant]

93% employer satisfaction

[hallow warren]

dont most mobo's if your using 2x16gb ram they go in the 2nd and 4th slot

[naive pendant]

yea, 2nd and forth, counted from left to right when cpu is left of the ram

[hallow warren]

ok

[pulsar hill]

I'm planning on getting a new processor and I think I've narrowed down my decision to be between the ryzen 3 3100 and the 5 2600. Opinions?

I would normally just instantly choose more cores and threads on the 2600, but user benchmark placed the 3100 way above it in terms of performance. But it also shows a clock of like 4.4 GHz on the 3100 so I'm a bit sceptical

[violet zealot]

The 3100 does have better single core performance, so that's technically true it does have better performance in like say games more often than not. But games have started using more than 8 threads for a while now, even 12 threads I don't foresee lasting too much longer. Maybe a couple more years?

If they're the same price, I'd say go for the 2600. It'll likely still be better than what you already have right?

[pulsar hill]

yeah, im currently rocking a i3 7100

vr games really dont like only having 4 threads and 2 cores to work with lmao

[violet zealot]

I think you'll find I mean with either option overall responsiveness will improve drastically, not just in games but in general

I have a 2600 myself, technically the first desktop cpu I've gotten for myself. Been through lowspec laptops before so

[pulsar hill]

this 7100 is the first ive ever bought myself as well. low spec laptops were all I had before this.

[naive pendant]

rip not only is my cpu jumping from like 30% to 100% usage now its staying at 100%

[vast granite]

To flash my bios for zen three do i just get the latest version for an x570 tomahawk?

[brazen wedge]

I bought the ASUS tuf z390 mother board. I have no display. I get the three short beeps when starting computer. I have tried plugging up display port and hdmi, but nothing. Looking for suggestions. I have updated the bios. I managed to plug in a MSI Graphics board.

[hollow kraken]

should i go with a 3600 with my gpu (1660) or a 3100

[safe geode]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164150 would you guys recommend this ram ive been eyeballing it all morning and have been getting mixed responses

[naive pendant]

I got trident z NEO on a new build and it works great, but the rgb is out of sync from each other, is this normal or is there software or anything?

[safe geode]

do have like aura synch or rgb software

lets you synchronize rgb and stuff

[naive pendant]

Uhhh....yeah the msi dragon software, it should be in there?

[safe geode]

should try it see if you can get that going

[ashen thorn]

Anybody think I should take advantage of this deal or wait? https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming/p/N82E16813119312?Item=N82E16813119312

[sour marten]

Aight, peeps. I got that new mobo. I've never swapped mobos before. Any advice? I somehow doubt it's just a matter of pulling everything out and plugging it all back in.

[gritty meadow]

@sour marten which platform? amd/intel?

[sour marten]

As in what CPU? AMD.

Ryzen 5, if that matters

[gritty meadow]

when you loosen the screws/plugs/whatever holds the cpu cooler to the mainboard

TWIST the cooler

do NOT pull

[sour marten]

Oooh. Okay.

Do I need to reapply thermal paste?

[gritty meadow]

yes

treat it like a collection of new parts

[sour marten]

Also, will windows and all my stuff be okay? I'm only swapping mobos, everythign else is the same

[gritty meadow]

if something misses paste, apply it

in theory yes, your OS should work

[sour marten]

Well, imma swap PSU after, but I'm not really worried about that.

... In theory? Does it sometimes not?

[gritty meadow]

yes

[sour marten]

Damn it, haha. That's... concerning.

[gritty meadow]

if you dont currently have a windows install usb stick

do yourself a favour and make one

its a good precaution to have

[sour marten]

Do you maybe have a link to someone showing me hwo to do that? If not, I can just google it, nbd.

[gritty meadow]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

[sour marten]

Thank you!

[gritty meadow]

download the tool

plug in a 8 gig (minimum size) usb stick

anything on the stick still be deleted, so keep that in mind

and then just run the tool

[sour marten]

Should be fine. I have plenty of empty sticks.

Sweet, thank you.

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome

[sour marten]

I usually just youtube all this, but every video I find is a few years old.

[gritty meadow]

now, for the rest of the swap process

[sour marten]

Sweet

[gritty meadow]

IF your mainboard does not come with a actual manual (as in, only a quickstart one) go online and download the manufacturer supplied manual

there are a bunch of diagrams/guides that will answer 99.999999% of what you might ask about during the swap process

[sour marten]

I assume mainly concerning where everything goes?

[gritty meadow]

aye

all of that is listed clearly in the manual

[sour marten]

Nice

[gritty meadow]

and another thing to think about: do a boot of the system outside the case

[sour marten]

Thankfully I have CPU-Z, so I know what motherboard my prebuilt came with

Outside the case?

[gritty meadow]

your biggest concern is: does my new mainboard actually work?

you currently dont know if the mainboard is DOA or not

[sour marten]

Does my GPU have to be hooked up to the mobo when I boot it outside the case?

Actually, do any of the components do?

[gritty meadow]

mainboard+ram+cpu+gpu = full boot

you dont need the drives in for it

you just want to know if it actually boots up

and if you dont have a GPU plugged in, you wont be able to tell

[sour marten]

Got it

[gritty meadow]

a lot of people do this with the mainboard on top of the mainboard box

its a stable surface to have everything on

[sour marten]

Nice

Okay, sweet. Well. Now for an hour of research, then I'll dive in. Thank you again!

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome

and please ask if there are things you are uncertain about.

it is so much easier to ask vs repairing something

[sour marten]

I almost definitely will, haha

[obsidian acorn]

Should I buy the b550-f with the 30 dollar sale or is there a better mobo around <200

[devout moth]

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[hollow kraken]

this person has a pretty large vocabulary huh?

[violet zealot]

Probably not if they went ahead and ignored the warning

[hollow kraken]

they must have been pretty angy

[midnight pollen]

Must’ve been the only word they know

[gritty patio]

ayo

so a b550 wont brick a 3600xt right?

[eager shore]

wdym when you say brick

[violet zealot]

A motherboard is not expected to brick a cpu in any circumstance

[ionic skiff]

how will getting a motherboard that does not have pcie 4.0 impact me a few years from now

[graceful elm]

is it true that higher ram speed can actually make a cpu slower/give you less fps?

[late pine]

depends what you mean by ram speed

if you set your timings / frequency / infinity clock correctly, it should not have a performance downside

[graceful elm]

like 3200, 3600, 3800, 4000, 4200, 4400

[late pine]

ram performance also depends on latency and infinity fabric speed (if amd)

[hollow thorn]

Just higher ram speed won't make the CPU slower.

[late pine]

if you get a faster kit but with much worse timings it has the potential to be lower fps

you need to look at all the specifications

[graceful elm]

8.636 first word latency

cs 19

[hollow thorn]

8.636...

hm

[late pine]

what freq

[graceful elm]

Timing: 19-19-19-39

[hollow thorn]

4400?

[graceful elm]

yes

[hollow thorn]

nice

AMD or Intel

[graceful elm]

amd

5800x

[hollow thorn]

Here's the thing

[late pine]

on amd you want to match infinity fabric speed to half the ddr speed

[hollow thorn]

You want to run IF speed at 1:1 with ram.

[late pine]

so you should go down to 3800 and tighten the timings for ideal performance

[hollow thorn]

and IF doesn't like going above 1900mhz

[graceful elm]

i heard that too

[hollow thorn]

therefore 3800mhz is usually the sweet spot for frequency, and you want to tighten latency.

So B die is best option if you want to tune your ram.

[graceful elm]

so should i get different ram or just change the stuff

[hollow thorn]

kit of dark pros can prob do 3800c16

[late pine]

if you already have the ram and are able to test before returning just try manually tuning the frequency and timings

[graceful elm]

Well i got it as a christmas present to lighten the load on my wallet, so i dont have it but one of my family members do

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vVVD4D/patriot-viper-steel-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-4400-cl19-memory-pvs416g440c9k

this is the ram if youd like to take a look

cause idk anything about this stuff

[hollow thorn]

is b die

[dry shard]

any news on asus dark hero release on newegg?

[hollow thorn]

@graceful elm welp, you should look into ram OC and tuning :)

should be a really fun kit to play with

[graceful elm]

what is b die?

[hollow thorn]

samsung b die

best ram for overclocking

[graceful elm]

sounds cool

[hollow thorn]

it is cool

[graceful elm]

i plan on getting the 6800xt

i ordered my 6800x on b&h

should i overclock those too?

ive never done it because idk how and it scary

[hollow thorn]

Well...

Mem oc is the scariest OC

[graceful elm]

noooooo

ill have to get a pro to guide me or something

[hollow thorn]

#overclocking

pinned

[graceful elm]

share my screen to them

[hollow thorn]

ask forky

[charred venture]

mem oc is the easiest to get into

[gritty patio]

i think he means like oc OC

[long acorn]

I've got a delicious question here:
Sadly, my beloved X-Fi Titanium Pro HD, you have gone to the big PC case in the sky. You will be missed sorely.
That card was absolutely awesome, it was worth every penny.
What is the best sounding sound card out now-a-day? Motherboard audio is just... well it's like you're not getting half the sound. I have 700$ home theater system hooked to it and such, and I'd like it to sound GOOD.

Replaceable op-amps is a big plus, but not required.

So if anyone spent 100$ or more on a sound card, tell me WHY it's awesome, and what you love about it... as I have zero clue where to start and don't need gamer-y stuff.

[gritty patio]

is it worth spending money on a sound card?

[tacit ember]

So hey, I just bought an Asus TUF 550 Plus, says it's ready for the new ryzen 5000 series. If for whatever reason I need to update bios without having a ryzen 3000 series, how would I go about doing that?

[gritty patio]

ooo nice question

not clue

i havent been keeping up

srry

[hushed coral]

should i get a r5 3600 or a i5 9600k

[tacit ember]

All good, thanks

[gritty patio]

@hushed coral 3600

lemme see ur build my man

[graceful elm]

@tacit ember Do you currently have the ryzen 5000 series?

[graceful elm]

So I have the Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS Motherboard and I'm getting a Ryzen 5800x. I know the board needs a bios update and I'm pretty sure it has Asus Easy Flash 3. I heard it need's a cpu still in order to update it. I have an Intel Core i7-4770 and I was wondering if that would work in just getting my bios updated so that the Ryzen 5800x works.

[fickle flax]

its not compatible @graceful elm

[graceful elm]

nooooooooooo

[fickle flax]

XD

[graceful elm]

it has to be a ryzen right?

mannnnnn

[fickle flax]

intel cpus doesnt fit ryzen boards and vice versa

[graceful elm]

wack

[fickle flax]

has to be ryzen 3 and up to update x570 boards

[graceful elm]

you think i can steal the cpu out of my dads ryzen laptop? 👀

[fickle flax]

first time ive seen someone say can i place intel cpu on a ryzen board

[graceful elm]

man i do not know how it work

[fickle flax]

yeah try removing the soldered cpu off a laptop

it will not fit regular mobos

[graceful elm]

dont tempt me man

im not trynna wait months for amd to send a cpu boot kit

[fickle flax]

youll break the laptop motherboard before you will get the cpu

like i said, it wont fit

[graceful elm]

so what should i do

is there a better alternative?

[fickle flax]

buy the 5800x

[graceful elm]

i did

[fickle flax]

unless you buy another ryzen 3xxx cpu, you cant do anything much but wait

[graceful elm]

i see

this is sad

is the cheapest ryzen 3000 series cpu the 3100?

[floral jetty]

yah

oh you dip, try a bestbuy or something they might give you a loaner chip

[fickle flax]

dont get the ryzen 3200g or 3400g, its not compatible

[floral jetty]

and it depends on the mobo

if it can do flashback, you don't need a cpu at ALL

[graceful elm]

Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS

it doesnt have flashback

[floral jetty]

ah ok

[graceful elm]

it has something called easy flashback

[floral jetty]

bruh

[graceful elm]

but apparently its not the same

you still need a cpu

[floral jetty]

https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1038568/

[graceful elm]

Unless you're saying it works for my motherboard that do not help

I tried looking it up

But I'm stupid so idk

All I could find was people saying it doesn't have it, but it has asus easy flashback 3 which still requires a cpu

But idk it could have changed

[floral jetty]

but that's from the asus website and it says no cpu

[graceful elm]

Is that easy flashback or flashback

It's specifically called asus easy flashback

Idk man

[split trout]

Maybe just try it and if it works it works and if it doesn’t then sad

[graceful elm]

I don't have the cpu yet, I got it from b&h

[floral jetty]

WAIT

ITS AN x570

GODIAJFOIDSAJF

[graceful elm]

They still haven't sent it out yet

[floral jetty]

YOU DONT EVEN NEED TO UPDATE IT

[graceful elm]

I heard I do

[floral jetty]

which cpu did you say you getting

you can likely use THAT cpu to do so

IF YOU EVEN NEED TO

[graceful elm]

It's the 5800x

yo this is funny

what makes you say i dont need to update it?

[fickle flax]

why not wait

why are you rushing to update the board, you dont even have your main cpu

[graceful elm]

im not, i just wanna know how im gonna do it

[floral jetty]

you have it on a usb, you get the cpu, you do the thing

10 seconds

[graceful elm]

i dont even have the gpu yet so i couldnt do it if i wanted to

alright, ill just pray that works

[floral jetty]

I see literally no reason it wouldn't

[graceful elm]

if not ill either do boot kit or get a 3100

its not the x570 pro btw

its the plus

[floral jetty]

makes no difference

[graceful elm]

i heard that the pro has flashback while the plus only has easy flashback

so idk

[fickle flax]

just wait till your cpu arrives to update your board

[graceful elm]

alright

[fickle flax]

and read the manual

[graceful elm]

i cant rn anyways

[floral jetty]

ok a tomshardware forum does in fact say that ez flashback 3 requires a cpu

[graceful elm]

yes

[floral jetty]

which the one you get will fill the role

so no problems there

[graceful elm]

but will it go into bios without the update?

idk how that works

[floral jetty]

probably™️

[trail quarry]

guys urgent help

i ordered asrock b550m pro 4 online and the seller told me that its out of stock

and he is offering to "upgrade" to gigabyte b550m ds3h

is it a good deal

[floral jetty]

Could you perhaps link both

[trail quarry]

https://www.newegg.com/global/sg-en/gigabyte-b550m-ds3h/p/N82E16813145210?Description=gigabyte b550m ds3h&cm_re=gigabyte_b550m ds3h-_-13-145-210-_-Product&quicklink=true

https://www.newegg.com/global/sg-en/asrock-b550m-pro4/p/N82E16813157939?Description=asrock b550m pro4&cm_re=asrock_b550m pro4-_-13-157-939-_-Product

i feel like its a downgrade more than anything

[floral jetty]

Yeah that's a downgrade

Ask for a raincheck or something

[trail quarry]

lol

im just gonna paggro the dude into giving me an actual upgrade

[amber lantern]

what’s a good white mobo for like 160$

[green terrace]

For what professor? @amber lantern

3600?

Gigabyte vision is $260. They don’t make a lot of white mobos

[hushed coral]

lemme see ur build my man
@𝙺𝚒𝚜𝚞𝚜𝚔𝚎🌸#8191
I think u we’re talking to me but i’m gonna build a new pc
cpu-r5 3600 or i5 9600k
gpu-i’m not really sure yet but i’m trying to spend around $340
ram-16gb 3200
mobo-also not really sure yet but i’m looking at the b-365m steel legend from asrock

[green terrace]

9600k will give you more frames, but 3600 is a better all around processor imo

Depends how much you buy them for.

[magic cedar]

^^

[tacit ember]

No

@graceful elm

[amber lantern]

@green terrace 3600 n 2060

s

[green terrace]

This is basically one of the only ATX 'white' motherboards for 3600 under $160

https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-b550-plus/p/N82E16813119323?Item=N82E16813119323

[naive pendant]

Does the B550-A mobo have usb type c?

[fallen lynx]

does it show USB c on the pictures on newegg/amazon?

[naive pendant]

Idk

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant rear io or internal 3.1

[naive pendant]

What

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant you want usb type c on front io or rear io

[naive pendant]

What’s the rear tho

[magic cedar]

the motherboard io

in back of pc

or do u want it on the front of ur case

[hollow thorn]

Ye

They're different things

You want to stick usb c in the back or the front

[naive pendant]

@hollow thorn In the front would be better but in the back is fine.

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant it has usb-c rear io

[naive pendant]

what

the B550-A has a usb type c? @hollow thorn

[hollow thorn]

Rear io

Yes

On the back

[naive pendant]

what about the iCue 200T case?

[hollow thorn]

What

[naive pendant]

wot

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant here's the thing

Case usb c needs internal header

[naive pendant]

Yah

[hollow thorn]

Too tired

It does

[naive pendant]

so does my build have a usb type c in the front?

or only in the back?

[hollow thorn]

B550-a has internal usb 3.1 header

Which feeds a case usb c if the case has one

[naive pendant]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JYNmDc

ok so this is my build

is there any USB type c?

if there is

say if its in the rear or front pls

@hollow thorn

[green terrace]

@naive pendant

[naive pendant]

huh

whats that for

[green terrace]

That's your motherboard.

[naive pendant]

oh

[hollow thorn]

That's your motherboard.

[naive pendant]

ok

ty

[slate phoenix]

I have a insprion 5680 Pre built what is the mother board so i can put some up grades

Thx in advanced

[candid vale]

whats a good b450 or b550 mobo gor light overclocking under$100

[hollow thorn]

@candid vale basically throw "real overclocking" out of the window for <100$, B550m ds3h, or B550m pro4 if it stays at 95$

[candid vale]

ok thx

[hollow thorn]

@slate phoenix some sort of Z370 board

[green terrace]

@slate phoenix Looks like your system already has a 8700. You won't get much of an upgrade going to a 8700k. You'd have to buy a new mobo.

That being said, you can upgrade other things.

[slate phoenix]

ok thx

[manic bone]

So I want to change the heatsink on the chipset to a custom fin stack but I need dimensions for it but I don’t want to take it off if I can’t get it back on

[tall belfry]

Should I go 16gb 3600mhz or 32gb 3200mhz

[manic bone]

I’m gunna have a 3070 in there and the fin stack would use the 3070 fan to move air across it

32gb

@tall belfry go 32gb

[tall belfry]

If I go 32Gb it will be a lower clock speed

[manic bone]

Clock speed isn’t so important but many things do require more ram

[eager shore]

i mean if you NEED the 32gb, go for it, but i'd rather stay with the 16gb

[manic bone]

Same

It all comes down to wat u are doing

[tall belfry]

Ok thats true. Mostly autocad and medium gaming

[manic bone]

Go 16gb then

U can always oc ram if needed, my ram is oc to 3230

[magic cedar]

wat

[manic bone]

From 2666

[magic cedar]

oh

lmao

[tall belfry]

Oh I totally forgot you can do that

[manic bone]

So I want to change the heatsink on the chipset to a custom fin stack but I need dimensions for it but I don’t want to take it off if I can’t get it back on help pls

[uncut sorrel]

Hi there everybody. 👍

[tall belfry]

I have enough PSU power to oc, should be fine

[manic bone]

K

Oh hey fafa

Fafa tf u typin that take 20 tries

[magic cedar]

lmfao

[uncut sorrel]

Hi everybody... Can somebody help me to upgrade the RAM of my pc ... From 16 gb to 64 gb Motherboard ASUS X99-A. I can't find on the internet The Ram ddr4 models on the internet availables 😩

[manic bone]

Ok hol up

Wat area u live in

[eager shore]

ahhh that's what fafa was typing

[magic cedar]

why

u

need 64gb?

[uncut sorrel]

Ah ja ja

Yeah...

[manic bone]

Area does make a difference

[amber lantern]

@green terrace i’m trying to make a white build in dynamic

[uncut sorrel]

Im from colombia.

[eager shore]

that's a cool country

[uncut sorrel]

👍

[eager shore]

now lemme check how much 64gb should cost

[manic bone]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zfPzK8/corsair-memory-cmk64gx4m4a2400c14

Found this

Corsair lpx is cheap but good ram

[uncut sorrel]

I couldn't find availables models in the manuals.

[manic bone]

My go to for budget

[eager shore]

fafa you confortable talking in english or wanna talk in spanish through a dm?

fafa

is gone

[uncut sorrel]

Better in spanish

Sorry... My english is not so good.

[eager shore]

ok but don't talk in spanish here, mods get mad

[naive pendant]

fafa god name

fafa means ez

[long acorn]

If I go 32Gb it will be a lower clock speed
@tall belfry Keep in mind, while the 32gb will be lower clock speed, and isn't 100% needed by most games, it's good future proofing and more importantly, you'll get dual-rank sticks which can be 5~10% faster in some (but not all) cases. Dual rank sticks enable the 5xxx series Ryzen processors to simultaneously issue more commands to the memory in the same amount of time. While this is true in any case with any processor and dual rank memory, due to the design of Ryzen and the ways they reduced RAM latency, this matters a bit more.

That being said, most games don't need more than 16gb of installed memory in the system. If you like to leave your web browser open for ... a week or more ... and your PC stays running constantly, keep in mind a web browser and Steam combined can use up 6gb without much effort on the user's part, and Windows itself will use around 25% of your memory depending on how much you have and what your configuration is.
It's not a required expense, and spending the extra difference between 16gb and 32gb on CPU or GPU might take you further, but if you do more than just game - it might be a really good decision to get some more RAM.

[manic bone]

Yo the chipset gets super hot and I wanna make my own cooler for it that would use the 3070 fan to pull air through but I need dimensions first

I have no idea where to find the dimensions tho

[magic cedar]

what

[long acorn]

Well you could take it off to measure it, if you have some spare thermal compound of good quality, putting it back on isn't such an issue unless you bust the spring clips (if it's not using phillips screws). It's not a standard size, meaning, from board to board, there's no standard size that it mounts with.

[manic bone]

I know there is no standard for it I just wanted to know if someone knew of a site I could go to but thank you regardless

Oh and how thiccc is the 3070 from the pcb (not backplate) to the front of the card

I mean top of heatsink

[long acorn]

Taking that off and changing it is really not a common thing, it's a little more common on X570 AMD chipsets, but it's still 1% of the few people that CAN even do such a thing, that do it. You can cool it more easily by making an air duct to take air from one of the front fans and blast it down on it, but unless it's going above 90C, you're really not going to hurt that by having it run a little warm in the 80C range unless you're simultaneously over-volting it.

[manic bone]

I can find the dimensions for the 3070 I’m dum

[long acorn]

You can find dimensions on the manufacturer's site, and often on the newegg photo section.

[manic bone]

K thanks, msi doesn’t like to share much but I’ll look

[long acorn]

Well, usually card dimensions that matter is length, and also the amount of slots worth of space the cooler will use up. Some smaller newer cases (outside of big box OEM store brands) will have removable drive bay cages that sometimes can be removed to facilitate installation of a very long video card. Length is important here for one other less common reason - the way the power plugs face. This can be an issue if you're borderline not having enough room if you can fit the card - but not the power plugs too - in the case.

[manic bone]

No I know I’m just now looking at the card dimensions it all gud bro

[long acorn]

The amount of space that the cooler extends toward the side panel is usually not much more than an inch, and should be okay in 98% of cases (again, outside of custom, non-standard OEM designs).

Newegg, of all e-tailers/retailers, generally provides the most detail on the listings, thankfully.

Buy the 3070 knowing that other new card launches are not only happening now, but are scheduled for the near future as well. Do not buy it thinking it's going to be a while before it gets one-upped (while this isn't an issue for most, some folks get kind-of hot under the collar if they pay top dollar and next week Brand X comes out with the same thing for 25~30% less). However, if it's been a WHILE since you bought a new video board, you'll likely not have any issue there as you'll get a good bump in performance.

[magic cliff]

is the ryzen 52600 good

ryzen 5 2600

[manic bone]

So I’m back, the 3070 will last me for many years and I won’t need an upgrade

I looked at msi website and found nothing on the dimensions

[magic cliff]

a 2x oc will fit in many cases

[ember knot]

Has anyone found stocked Ryzen 5 5600X?

[magic cliff]

no

[ember knot]

Any info on being it restocked any where?

[hollow thorn]

no

[ember knot]

Welp..

[magic cliff]

rip

[ember knot]

I have all my PC parts ready except for the GPU and CPU

damn

[harsh grotto]

I need a mobo with wifi, prefereably no yellow on it. I wanna pair it with a 5600x any ideas?

[hollow thorn]

@harsh grotto try this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089CQFHHZ

[harsh grotto]

thx

[vivid pewter]

What is dual rank ram and how do I find out if the ram is dual rank?

[hollow thorn]

general rule of thumb, if a stick has 8+gb, it's dual rank

there are a few single rank 16gb sticks, but quite rare

[stray vortex]

we have acquired the care package

paid only $280 for this puppy

[hollow thorn]

👍

[stray vortex]

cheaper than a 5600X and a 3700X so I was like "yeet"

[magic cedar]

ooh nice

[naive pendant]

how do speed increases work with computer? like how much faster is 1.5GHz cpu compared to a 2 GHz cpu

[fallen lynx]

there's a lot more to it than just MHz

[naive pendant]

my english is great

[neat glacier]

what the reg+ said

there's more than clock speed

if it was all clock speed, some amd fx chips were way above 7 and 8 gHz

[violet zealot]

FX 9590 boosting past 5ghz while drawing easily 300w while only just barely matching Intel's i7 at lower clock speeds and power use says a lot. AMD was rather "core" and clockspeed crazy with FX. That just didn't work out unfortunately, specifically with how they designed their cores

[fossil iron]

Hey guys sorry to interrupt! i'm fairly new to pc and i'm trying to build one around a rtx2070 i got as a gift from a friend that upgraded to something better. My main doubt right now is SSD, how do i know if an ssd is compatible with the Z390 mobo i chose? i saw some like sticks and others like squares and got lost. are they the same?

[frosty cliff]

no

there is 3 main types of storage

ssd
nvme m.2 drive
hdd

hdd is the slowest then ssd and then the fastest is nvme

most should fit your mobo aslong as it has a m.2 slot

id check pcpartpicker.com for a guide as to it shows compatibility and incompatibilities

[fossil iron]

Thanks a lot! i'll check that website too. Have a great day!

[frosty cliff]

you too also good luck

id read a little bit more in depth about them

i did a really vague description

[pliant jackal]

Should I get 48Gb of memory or 64gb

[stray vortex]

@pliant jackal what are you doing with all that ram?

like, what are you going to use it for?

[pliant jackal]

Rendering things

Videos, game design, fapping

[naive pendant]

bruh what lmao

lmao

[stray vortex]

what does the rest of your system look like?

what're the specs?

[naive pendant]

does he have a part list?

[stray vortex]

just asked lmao

[naive pendant]

lmao

[ionic skiff]

is it worth waiting for the 11th gen intel chips to come out

[toxic sand]

would a ryzen 7 3700x bottleneck a evga 1070 sc

[violet zealot]

No, it will not

[toxic sand]

gud

thats the gpu im upgrading to aswell as the cpu

well if it get enough money to get them

although would it bottle neck a gigabyte windforce 980

[gloomy spear]

Hey is the aourus b450 WiFi am4 a good motherboard for a Ryzen 7 3700x

[hollow thorn]

Why b450

[gloomy spear]

Cause it's cheaper for my budget

I mean if I can find a WiFi b550 for around $120 then I'd get it

[hollow thorn]

@gloomy spear b550m pro vdh wifi 110$

[gloomy spear]

Wait really?

Well it looks a bit outdated though but it looks good

Also what is the difference between b550 and 450 is it to due with the zen 2 and zen 3 things

[hollow thorn]

Outdated lmao

[gloomy spear]

Lmao

[hollow thorn]

B450 is outdated :p

[violet zealot]

It's a 2 year old chipset now

[hollow thorn]

It gets guaranteed Zen 3 support and pcie 4.0 for primary gpu and ssd

[gloomy spear]

Oooohhhhhhhhh

Thx

[violet zealot]

Not much point in getting it outside of cutting costs if you don't need the extra features I suppose

[gloomy spear]

Ok I'm gonna keep looking but thanks for the suggestion

Yah around $100-$120 is my budget and all I need is a good m.2, gpu and am4 socket

Also is WiFi compatible motherboards meaning I can use a wireless connection and ones that aren't only use wired like Ethernet

[violet zealot]

100-120 on the motherboard?

[gloomy spear]

Yah

[hollow thorn]

B550m pro vdh wifi

Wifi boards let you use wifi

[gloomy spear]

so non wifi boards are used for ethernet?

[violet zealot]

No, they just don't have a built in wifi option

[hollow thorn]

All boards can use Ethernet

[violet zealot]

There's ethernet on either though

[hollow thorn]

Wifi boards have an internal wifi chip

Others don't

[gloomy spear]

wait sry i mean if one board doesnt say it has wifi on it can i still use a wireless connection

[hollow thorn]

No

[gloomy spear]

dangit

[hollow thorn]

Not without buying an adapter

What else would wifi boards do lmao

[toxic sand]

any good b550 motherboard suggestions for £120

[gloomy spear]

haha we were just talking about that

[hollow thorn]

Wifi or no wifi

Pro4 was ~110 GBP when I checked last

[gloomy spear]

it is

also what about the x570 tomahawk wifi is that mobo good?

[hollow thorn]

Look at price

[gloomy spear]

nvm\

[hollow thorn]

We're talking 110usd board here

[gloomy spear]

lmao

[hollow thorn]

Tomahawk is a 200usd msrp, 250usd actual pricing board

[gloomy spear]

its 330 on newegg lmao

[toxic sand]

im back and i dont need wifi

[grizzled garden]

Anything X570 goes above 150$USD

[hollow thorn]

Any decent ones

Do not get a x570 pg4

There's a reason it's cheap

It's bad

[gloomy spear]

lmao

[toxic sand]

any suggestions

[hollow thorn]

@toxic sand again, B550 pro4

98gbp for mATX

115 for ATX

[toxic sand]

sry i was afk didnt see message

ill check it out

[gloomy spear]

b550m pro vdh wifi 110$

here

[hollow thorn]

Actually

@toxic sand pro vdh wifi still nice for bios flashback
https://www.morecomputers.com/a?pid=B550M PRO-VDH WIFI-XPX>>MSI

[toxic sand]

ill check them both out

for the b550 pro4 is there a black version?

[hollow thorn]

Uh no

[toxic sand]

ah its fine it will still fit cuase my case is white but wasnt sure about the new ram im going to upgrade to as its all black except rgb

im just preplanning here so its not to serious as it might not happen

[slim night]

This is probably a stupid question, yeah I know its not optimal, but will a Asrock b450M pro4 support a 6900xt.

I wanna get the 6900xt, and then update my mobo down the line.

[violet zealot]

PCI express is backwards and forward compatible with all generations, so technically it is yes

[slim night]

Oh okay that was my main concern

[violet zealot]

Here's what I would suggest though, the difference between the 6800XT and 6900XT isn't that big. So really you should get the better board and the cheaper card

An anemic board like that wouldn't support some of the best Ryzen chips either which you would want to pair with a high end card right?

[slim night]

Yeah later on, not at the moment

[violet zealot]

I would rather slum it with an old graphics card than hold back a beefy new card personally

[slim night]

Maaan, ill be honest I should definitely get a 6800xt and upgrade my mobo, I just personally wanted the best gpu from AMD, but I must hold myself back from that

[gloomy spear]

Wait so actually my price range was upped to $200 are there any good b550 WiFi's for around that price range

[violet zealot]

Tops, the 6900XT is 10% maaaaybe best case 15% faster

Considering they both have the same amount of Vram and bandwidth, there's not much else that's different other than pure shader performance. They're close enough that the value proposition of the 6800XT is just too good to ignore imo

[hollow thorn]

@gloomy spear b550 aorus elite ax should be 150$, so if you could find it at 150$, do it

[slim night]

Well in that case, what kind of mobo should I get for around $250?

[gloomy spear]

@gloomy spear b550 aorus elite ax should be 150$, so if you could find it at 150$, do it
@hollow thorn is this one wifi?

Also what about an msi b550

[hollow thorn]

aorus elite ax
for 802.11ax
for wifi 6

[gloomy spear]

Ooooh my b

[marble hare]

I just bought an X570 Unify, and 2x8GB 3600Mhz C18 ram today for the 5900x

I couldn't justify the price for C14

you think realistically there's a big difference in the latency i picked up compared to c14?

[violet zealot]

Honestly the latency is more important than you think, you know a memory kit is good samsung b die if it's 3200Mhz at C14

You can easily get it to 3600 while retaining that CL

[marble hare]

you think c18 would be too slow?

[deft helm]

hey

I made a video explaining how memory latency works, if you'd like I can send you it and you can understand how it works

[violet zealot]

It wouldn't hold things back by a noticeable margin I would say

[deft helm]

its very quick meant towards people who want to know with no bs

[violet zealot]

The RAM is still fast after all

[deft helm]

the actual latency is the same between 3600 cl18 and 3200 cl16

[violet zealot]

But for the most optimal performance yeah you would want that latency to be as tight as possible with the clockspeed

[deft helm]

so there isnt much rather than a marginal difference with a ryzen cpu

[marble hare]

yes please do @deft helm 💯

oh just seen the link

thank you bro

[deft helm]

np

will post here too for anyone who is curious

actually nvm

rules say no

[marble hare]

very informative video

[naive pendant]

if my needs are to do video editing (premier pro), host a minecraft server in the background most of the time, stream, and record with obs, I should need 32GB of memory, right?

[deft helm]

i would

the minecraft server is the main ram hog

how many people are on it?

[marble hare]

i think that 3600mhz c16 sweet spot you mentioned would be very nice

[naive pendant]

i havent built it yet

[marble hare]

but i just cant afford it haha

[naive pendant]

im hoping my parents will let me

[deft helm]

there are some very good deals at that price

at around 66 usd

[marble hare]

i will be sticking with the 3600 c18

[deft helm]

yeah thats a good spot for a price/performance build

[naive pendant]

does a 3600MHz frequency matter if the cpu is a 9700K?

[prisma nymph]

frequency always matters

[naive pendant]

i look everywhere and everything is telling me that AMD works best with higher frequencies

[deft helm]

so

with intel

[prisma nymph]

doesnt mean that intel wont, or that a higher frequency doesnt benefit you in other ways

[naive pendant]

i don't want to spent over $120 on a 32GB kit so like

[prisma nymph]

thats cheap asf

[deft helm]

a lower frequency with a lower cas latency is better

so basically

[naive pendant]

2x16

[deft helm]

look in #links-and-selfpromotion

i explain that in there

[prisma nymph]

when i built my pc, the cheapest 8gb 2666 kit was $120

[naive pendant]

ok

[deft helm]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164173?Item=N82E16820164173&Description=2x8 ddr4&cm_re=2x8_ddr4-_-20-164-173-_-Product @marble hare this is a great deal on 3600 cl16

if you're intereste

like 72$

also @naive pendant that goes for any build, that video, intel or ryzen.

i just said ryzen as its whats popular rn and im trying to grow the channel

[marble hare]

i live in uk : (

[deft helm]

ahh

my bad

[naive pendant]

mk

so

you see

i have that on my list already

the ballistix kit

[deft helm]

oh i was talking to sam

[naive pendant]

oh ok

my bad

[deft helm]

its no biggie lmfao

[marble hare]

£93 incl shipping

for me

[naive pendant]

i subbed

[deft helm]

yikes

thanks man

[naive pendant]

bc im nice

yes

[deft helm]

so my question for you

[naive pendant]

ill cancel you once youre famous

[deft helm]

is you're wanting a 2x16 kit?

[naive pendant]

yeah

im hoping to

[deft helm]

ok so you have a 9700k?

or what cpu

[naive pendant]

yeah on my list

i7-9700k

[deft helm]

alright so with ryzen, the only difference is that on some intel cpus, they benefit more from CAS latency. so like a cl16 3200 speed would be better for intel, even though it has the same 10 nanosecond actual latency as a cl18 3600 speed.

its the opposite for ryzen

they would benefit from a 3600 cl18 as they like speed better

[naive pendant]

hmmm okay that makes some sense

i mean

so 3200 is fine

[deft helm]

3200 cl14 is the best for the 9700k id say

[naive pendant]

i dont need to play fornite

alright

ill look some up

[deft helm]

are you in the US?

[naive pendant]

what does the "cl" stand for

yes i am

[deft helm]

cas latency

i explain in the video if you'd like to know, its really quick

like 2 minutes i think

[marble hare]

you know what, I may go with that ram you sent, the 3600 c18 i bought was £83

[naive pendant]

mk

[marble hare]

the 3600 c16 you linked is £93

only £10 more

[deft helm]

@naive pendant due to the current prices in the us, a 3600 cl16 is much cheaper and same actual latency

[marble hare]

ill go ahead and return the set i bought

[deft helm]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232907?Item=N82E16820232907&Description=2x16&cm_re=2x16-_-20-232-907-_-Product&quicklink=true is a good deal for a fast set of ram

@marble hare thats sick

your cpu is going to love you

[naive pendant]

so

idc about rgb btw

[deft helm]

im using a 3600 w/ 2666 ram and it hates me

[naive pendant]

just letting you know

in case you have any more suggestions

performance>rgb

[deft helm]

smart man