#cpus-mobo-and-memory

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hollow thorn
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5950x in the middle to show you that the overall score is from all threads

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@paper hill 5600x has stock cooler, 3700x has good stock cooler.

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sooo

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doesn't matter either way

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:D

paper hill
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oh true

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sometimes ppl sett without cooler

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I got a question tho

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i like rgb

hollow thorn
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3700x comes with wraith prism

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great rgb

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5600x is likely to come with prism too

fluid gorge
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@hollow thorn the r7 has a small amount more of score in cpu mark

hollow thorn
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a tiny amount

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within margin of error

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you gotta remember they only have 2 samples for the 5600x

paper hill
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so should i get the fury rgb 3200hz with 16 gb

hollow thorn
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so the number is a bit rough

paper hill
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bc of the price

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or should i got for the pred with no rgb

hollow thorn
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@paper hill for what cpu

paper hill
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i think a r5 4556 something like that

hollow thorn
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wha

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excuse me

paper hill
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i know it doesnt got zeros in it

hollow thorn
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then it's not a ryzen chip

paper hill
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ill brb

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i got the chip

hollow thorn
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I can't think of any consumer chip that doesn't have a 0 lol

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like even intel chips are like 4770k

paper hill
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my

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b

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intel i5 -3470

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my dad had a spare pc so i use it for school work

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but im upgrading soon

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so should i go for a new build

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or should i just upgrade my pc?

gritty meadow
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your machine uses ddr3

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its a dead platform

hollow thorn
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That doesn't even use ddr4 ram..

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oop wifi is being spotty again

paper hill
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no it gots corsair vengance ddr4

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no rgb tho

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real qucik

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do u guys have a nice glass case?

hollow thorn
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you sure? because the i5-3470 only supports ddr3

paper hill
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thats what ima focus on

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Im 100%

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it may not have the 3470

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but its an i5 intel

hollow thorn
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...

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there's like 50 i5 chips

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no joke

paper hill
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bruh hkajshjkhdshakdgajyew

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dam

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alr

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ima just go ahead and build a new pc

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ill wait then\

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ty

hollow thorn
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We can help with a new pc

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If you want

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Give us budget and anything you can reuse, and we give you a list.

gritty meadow
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@paper hill just going to say something you most likely wont like to hear: But if you cannot even be bothered to look up a small detail like that? i would strongly recommend that you get a prebuilt. Because are you ever in for a "fun" time building your own.

hollow thorn
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Heh

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Or, to be reworded, "There's a ton more for you to learn if you want to build your own, and it will be an annoying process"

sly vessel
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I learned the hard way. My first build, I did like no research outside of the compatibility checker on pcpartpicker.

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My board died within 6 months.

gritty meadow
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nothing prevents that @sly vessel

hollow thorn
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(unless it was a component compatibility issue)

sly vessel
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Nah, but it was a cheap board

gritty meadow
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@hollow thorn then it would not have worked in the first place

sly vessel
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Also I definitely didn't get the best value for my money

gritty meadow
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cheap/expensive <- neither matters for what you describe @sly vessel

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its just a bad roll of the statistics dice

hollow thorn
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@gritty meadow I mean like 10900k on a poor h410 type of compatibility

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As in one part isn't rated to work well enough with another

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Or like trying to Daisy chain 10 fans off a single 1a header

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That kind of thing

gritty meadow
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neither of those will kill the board

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they might kill the fan header

hollow thorn
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Hm? I would imagine the second to

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First I'd imagine damage to VRMs over time

gritty meadow
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boards are a LOT harder to kill than people think

hollow thorn
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Because cheap boards usually don't have efficient VRMs, and don't cool them well

gritty meadow
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but people are also a LOT sillier than the engineers making the boards plan for

hollow thorn
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Or do VRMs don't care about high temps, and only perform bad at high temps?

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Ofc.

gritty meadow
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generally just bad perf

hollow thorn
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Ah

gritty meadow
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(yes yes, there is a limit etc)

hollow thorn
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I thought it'd slowly kill it

gritty meadow
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slowly is not a year

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its years generally

hollow thorn
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Ah

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Gotcha

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I think of months as a long time

gritty meadow
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generally, the manufacturers would be "happy" if boards died a week after warranty

hollow thorn
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Ofc

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Profit :)

gritty meadow
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but generally, boards dying inside of warranty? bad with extra bad (for their bottom line)

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and yes, ofc there are exceptions (there ARE bad board designs, just like anything else)

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but rule of thumb: things dont just "die" after 6 months

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and if they do. Thats what you have warranty for

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and you get to test if you have backed up your BS

hollow thorn
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I see

gritty meadow
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this ofc does NOT exclude a user just flat out fibbing up a storm about what has actually happended to the hardware

hollow thorn
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ofc

sly vessel
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I mean I'm not

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but whatever

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this server's mad salty all the time anyway

hollow thorn
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@sly vessel that wasn't directed at you

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for you, it was still just you got unlucky with a board that died

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I was just talking to Naed about theoretical stuff

blissful dragon
hollow thorn
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fun

proper lava
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a ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 wouldn't support dual monitors right?

hollow thorn
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@proper lava why are you asking about motherboard supporting dual monitor..?

proper lava
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oh wait oops

hollow thorn
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uhh

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lol

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Plug monitors into GPU

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not mobo

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smh

midnight pollen
proper lava
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ok i got confused for some reason

trim geyser
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dumdum

worn night
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Be nice kiddos

graceful sonnet
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what is the best mobo you guys can recomand for around 100?

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its fine if its alil more, right now im thinking of the as rock b550 phantom, is that any good?

hollow thorn
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B550m pro4 at 105$

vast granite
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Aye I was able to get the tomahawk x570 for retail price at least one good thing came out of today since I wasnt able to get the 3070

neat estuary
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me too 🙂 been wanting to do a build for a while with the tomahawk

vast granite
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They must have got a big shipment cuz it's been over an hour or two and they still have them

neat estuary
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max 5 per person should tell you something

main pulsar
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lol that asus board is shaped just like the early ATX boards from long ago

vast granite
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Yeah

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I just went back to see that cuz I legit got the restock email and never bought something so fast in my life out of fear of missing it @neat estuary

green mason
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can a ryzen 3 1300 use 3600 ram

whole frost
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I don’t think so and if it can why would you put that much in it

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It can use the ram but not a 3600 speed is my guess

hollow thorn
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@green mason 99% chance no

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It won't run at 3600mhz

green mason
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aaaaahhhh'

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now ill have to tune it lower

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ok so any suggestions my friend went ahead and bought it

whole frost
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How much are 1300 now

green mason
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he had a prebuilt

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im makeing it good

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a 500$ prebuilt

hollow thorn
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New everything

green mason
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i got him a 240gig ssd

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he has a A320 motherboard

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a 1050ti

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ryzen 3 1300

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and one stick of 8 gigs of ram

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he was useing a hhd

whole frost
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Oh that’s why it has an older cpu it’s a prebuilt

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Lol

green mason
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that and you cant even get new ryzen 3's

whole frost
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Wdym

green mason
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you cant buy them at msrp

whole frost
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The ryzen 3100 you can get for 99 on adorma

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Plus shipping

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Which for me is only $5

green mason
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id bet it can run 3000 speed

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still

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as my ryzen 7 2700X runs 3200

whole frost
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It’s adorama sry spelt the website wrong

green mason
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wait nvm i thought you were talking about finding the other cpus at msrp

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so what were you saying?

whole frost
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Nothing I’m just saying you can get newer ryzen 3 for decent price

naive pendant
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who wins in performance for gaming? Amd ryzen 7 3700x or i7-9700k

green mason
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gameing

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the i7

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just gameing

naive pendant
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but amd can beat intel in multi core gaming right?

whole frost
green mason
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no not really cores dont matter so much in gameing

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its mostly single thread preformance

naive pendant
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oh okay

green mason
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but cores matter for just about everything else

naive pendant
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i heard amd new processor can beat intel in everything now

green mason
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yep

whole frost
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I would say the preferred cores for a pc is 6

green mason
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the 5000 series comes out on November 5th

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beats them in everything

naive pendant
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should i wait or buy the amd ryzen 7 3700x?

green mason
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except for price

whole frost
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Yeah just if i had 300 dollars for a cpu

naive pendant
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but either way its gonna be out of stock fast for sure

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so i got no clue what processor to buy

whole frost
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What gpu are you getting

green mason
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what do you plan on playing and whats your budget

naive pendant
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uhh around $1200

green mason
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thats a good budget

whole frost
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Ok so 3070

green mason
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probably not @whole frost

naive pendant
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but they are out of stock already

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im probably not gonna get my hands on it untl next year

whole frost
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Wifi or Ethernet

heady root
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1200 will get you a solid 3070 build and a little more will be a 3080 build

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worth the wait

naive pendant
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But i need one right now

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the rtx 2070 super are wayy to overpriced right now

heady root
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could get a cheap placeholder

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like $100

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used rx 570/580 maybe

naive pendant
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i was thinking to getting a rx5700xt

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but idk

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or maybe wait for amd new graphics card

whole frost
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Why are the rtx 2000 series so overpriced atm

heady root
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because now they poop

naive pendant
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cause of covid and the supplies and demands are running short

heady root
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if you're looking for a 2000 series check used rn

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might be able to snag a deal

naive pendant
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dwella what processor would you recommend for playing games like fortnite, gta 5, and apex legends?

heady root
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for like a 1k-1200 budget?

naive pendant
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yeah

heady root
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i usually stick with a ryzen 5 3600

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but the new ryzen 5 5600 (the non x one) should be coming out early next year at $220

whole frost
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Holy crap rtx are not bad on used market

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215 bid that ends today for 2060

naive pendant
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yeah but i rather buy a new one

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is a amd ryzen 7 3700x with a 5700xt a good build?

whole frost
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It doesn’t really matter you just don’t get a warranty

naive pendant
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yeah i want that warranty

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xD

whole frost
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Ok

heady root
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it's a pretty good build but if you're just gaming i'd go less on cpu and more on gpu

naive pendant
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oh okay

heady root
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they have very similar gaming perf iirc

whole frost
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How much was the 2060 when it first came out

naive pendant
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$399

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i think

whole frost
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Really

naive pendant
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yeah

heady root
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yeah

naive pendant
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bruh a rtx 2070 super is a cost of a rtx 2080ti

heady root
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yikes

naive pendant
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but amd is catching up to nvidia tho

heady root
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amd is king rn

whole frost
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Bro new on eBay 2060 for like 300-350

naive pendant
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nah

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i dont trust ebay that much

heady root
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oh wait 2060 when it came out was 300

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i thought u said 2060s

naive pendant
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oh

heady root
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my bad

whole frost
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Oh

heady root
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2060 = 300, 2060s/2070 = 400, 2070s = 500

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etc etc

whole frost
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Then I guess not that good of deal

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I can’t wait until COVID is over then prices will slowly go back to normal

naive pendant
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theres no point of buying rtx cards right now if they are really overpriced

heady root
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covid ain't gonna be over anytime soon my friends

naive pendant
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yeah

whole frost
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I know

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Still can’t wait tho

naive pendant
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they said the vaccine would come out this month or last month

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and we are still waiting for the vaccine

heady root
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just another step towards the supervirus that will one day wipe us out

naive pendant
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im still choosing over amd ryzen 7 3700x or intel i7 9700k

whole frost
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Y

naive pendant
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idk

whole frost
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Cpu Cooler

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Lol

naive pendant
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yeah

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lol

whole frost
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Y doesn’t intel get a nicer cooler they look so cheap

naive pendant
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no

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tf

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amd cooler are wayy better

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than intel cooler

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Novey what would you choose amd or intel?

whole frost
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Wdym that’s what I just said

naive pendant
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oh shoot

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im loosing brain cells lmao

whole frost
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Amd for cooler and because I’m using it in my first pc build

naive pendant
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oh okay

whole frost
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Intel I heard has better perf tho

naive pendant
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yeah over gaming

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but not anymore

whole frost
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Well yeah

naive pendant
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i might as well choose amd

whole frost
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What’s better 3100 or 9100f

naive pendant
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idk

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3100?

whole frost
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Budget cpus most people don’t know the answer

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And yes the 3100 is better but for p2p idk

naive pendant
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i just like it how intel knows they are getting beat by lowering their cpu price

whole frost
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Lol

carmine lynx
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so um

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I tried enabling XMP

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and I rebooted

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and it said "Doing automatic repairs" so I had to set it back a

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and I was wondering what I am doing wrong

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I have a asrock steel legend mobo and corsair vegeance 3200 16 gigs of ram

tall storm
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lmao how does apple beat amd to 5nm

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@carmine lynx try upping your FCKLK or whatever its called to 1600 (I'm not sure if this is default with XMP)

midnight pollen
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apple has a lot of resources

tall storm
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lol yeah i think they took TSMC's thing for AMD and just lisenced it or whatever

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no wait

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Apple uses ARM

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yeah so ARM architecture with TSMC 5nm

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makes sense

graceful sonnet
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what would be the cheapest or best value cpu that wouldnt bottleneck a rx 6800?

gritty meadow
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you can say that the other vendors should be happy that apple is willing to spend that amount of money on 5nm foundry production

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it all helps in bringing wafer cost down

worn night
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mmmmm wafers 😋

rugged sierra
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yummy silicone wafer performance make me bbbbbbrrrrrrrrr😋

neat glacier
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@graceful sonnet xD why do u want the cheapest cpu possible? just get a less powerful gpu and balance ur system :P

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graphics aren't everything u know

fresh river
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are the 5600x stock anticipated to sell out fast

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i was hoping to buy one around mid december

cobalt pelican
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yea same

wind field
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When will Intel's rocket lake come out?

vast granite
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2021 exact date unknown

gritty meadow
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In theory q1

wind field
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Ok

gritty meadow
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but, considering their quite ... fluid sense of time ... wait until you actually see them in the shops before you start planning to potentially buy them

graceful sonnet
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@neat glacier yeah but I don’t want to have to upgrade the gpu for a while

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@neat glacier buh yeah ig ur right

loud spindle
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whats a good cpu on the lga 1151 chipset

hollow thorn
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why?

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lga1151 isn't a chipset btw, it's a socket.

loud spindle
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thats what i meant

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my bad

hollow thorn
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What chipset

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Because there's like 3 generations of chipsets on LGA1151 that aren't compatible with chips from other generations.

loud spindle
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8th gen or 9th gen

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like a budget cpu

hollow thorn
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uh?

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ig 9100f/9400f

knotty yacht
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3090 and intel i9 10900k

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128 gb of ram

carmine lynx
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help

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I keep trying to turn on XMP on my corsair vegeance ram and I keep getting to the motherboard screen and it just freezes

hollow thorn
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What exact kit and what motherboard?

carmine lynx
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its 3200mhz and the motherboard is the b450 steel legend

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ATX version

hollow thorn
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2x8gb?

carmine lynx
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yeah

hollow thorn
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Try doing it manually

carmine lynx
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and what happens if I mess up?

hollow thorn
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Reset cmos

hushed aurora
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Hi! I am not sure but I'm pretty sure I fried my cpu. If I put it into a different motherboard will it kill that board?

fallen lynx
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probably not

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what makes you think its the CPU and not something else?

worn night
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@hollow thorn so I been tinkering with my motherboard this evening installed my cpu and cpu cooler plugged in the cpu fan. Generally what is the cpu optional header next to the cpu fan header for?

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Also just curious is it better to keep that tiny switch on the stock amd cooler at Low or High? It's already at L so I figured I'd keep it there since people say it makes it significantly louder on high

hollow thorn
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wha

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CPU_OPT?

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might be fan header that's just labeled as a secondary CPU fan header

worn night
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@hollow thorn yeah I think so

vast granite
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I don't think there's rumors but out of speculation is there a chance at a 5700 cpu from amd at some point or did they just drop the 700?

gritty meadow
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just like the GPU product stack, we dont know the full stack yet

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there will be cheaper models, we just dont know when and at what price

vast granite
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Dang was hoping for a new 3700x in the 5000 series basically

gritty meadow
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nothing i said prevents that from happening at some point

vast granite
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i know just hoping for some conspiracy talk

hollow thorn
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You're not getting that from Naed :(

open bison
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Any idea what time the zen 3 CPUs will probably release?

dusky pagoda
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Release date they announced

hollow thorn
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@lethal glacier yea it's good

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decent one with wifi would be B550m pro-vdh wifi

hushed canopy
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Is ryzen better than intel?

hollow thorn
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@hushed canopy in what context

hushed canopy
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@hushed canopy in what context
@hollow thorn in performance for gaming

hollow thorn
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What chip versus what chip?

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Like are you trying to compare a 3100 to a 10900k, a 5600x to a 10600k, etc?

hushed canopy
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3000 to 9 gen and 10 gen

haughty delta
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Which CPU-brand is better if I'm wanting to build a server: AMD, or Intel?

gritty meadow
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depends on workload and scale

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(and budget ofc)

haughty delta
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I'm planning on using it to run a Discord bot I made, and my bf's bot, and maybe an MC server as well

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Planning on having it running nearly 24/7, (if not 24/7)

deep vigil
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Whatd the budget

haughty delta
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Tbh... still thinking about that...

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At the least.. perhaps 1000

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Maybe more

worn night
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@hushed canopy generally Ryzen is better for multitasking intensive design and editing and Intel is better for single core processing like gaming. But that is likely changing with the new lineup of ryzens but in terms of the 3000 series cpus from ryzen vs the 10k of intel you'll get a slightly higher frame rate from intel but you'll usually pay more for an Intel than a ryzen making ryzen usually a better value depending on what you wanna do

hushed canopy
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@worn night so the ryzen 3000s is better than inetl 9k or is it the same? And thank you

worn night
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In terms of what?

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frame rate?

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Also what would you like to compare? the 3700X to a 9700K?

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like what CPU did you have in mind? 5s, 7s, or 9s?

safe geode
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anyone mind helping me rq im trying to find a 500 series motherboard with the flashback button on the motherboard for zen 3 i cant really seem to make a good decision

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was gonna get an x570 tuf then realized i wouldnt be able to flash it

worn night
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B550 board are probably a better deal

safe geode
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yeah just need one with a flashback bios button cause i dont have a cpu to do that

hushed canopy
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Also what would you like to compare? the 3700X to a 9700K?
@worn night yea the 3700x to whatever 9k is best

worn night
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I mean are you looking to buy a 3700X? @hushed canopy

hushed canopy
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No i already have my build with a 3700x, but is for a friend asking

worn night
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So i've seen some bench mark videos that have 3700x outcompeting a 9700K in gaming but generally you might get a slight frame rate increase in a i7 vs a Ryzen 7 3700x

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If i remember correctly the Ryzen has 8 cores and 16 threads, the 9700K has 8 cores 8 threads. Between those two I'd say the Ryzen 7 is better those two are around the same price tho and the i7 9700K has higher clock speeds which could give more frames

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It really depends what your friend wants to do

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It's funny you could watch some comparison videos of the two being tested in games the i7 will have like maybe on average 5 more frames. But usage is important too so say the 9700K will be running 100 fps at 80-90% usage of the CPU. Youll see the Ryzen 3700X running like 90-95 fps but on only 50% usage so with this in mind you have some headroom to do some multitasking at the same time such as streaming or running multiple programs in the background

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That's why i kinda like it more

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If you want a complete CPU then take the 3700X if you maybe a competitive gamer and you want all the frames you can get then probably the 9700K

hushed canopy
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Oh ok I see, Thank u

naive pendant
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do yall think that intel processers prices will drop once zen 3 comes out so more people will buy intel for budget builds?

hollow thorn
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@naive pendant New pricing never drop due to new generations

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look at RTX 20xx when 3090/3080/3070 dropped

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the prices stayed constant

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look at Ryzen 2000 when Ryzen 3000 dropped

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the prices stayed constant

naive pendant
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true

hollow thorn
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look at Rx 5700/xt when RTX 3070 dropped

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the prices stayed constant

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there's no reason for new prices to change

naive pendant
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yeah

hollow thorn
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for the used market (ebay), sure it might change

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but for the new market (Amazon/Newegg/B&H/etc), it won't change due to new generations.

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hell, 1080ti from 3 generations ago is still selling at 700$+, the original MSRP.

naive pendant
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but honestly if intel drops prices when zen 3 comes out it would be smarter cause zen 3 processors are gonna be superior so idk

hollow thorn
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It's only wishful thinking.

naive pendant
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nobody will use intel

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yeah ig

autumn fossil
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guys is a ROG Strix B 450 F gaming MOBO good?

hollow thorn
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@naive pendant apply that logic to Ryzen 1st gen

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there was literally no reason to buy it, Intel was better in basically every way, and there were a lot of issues with ram compatibility etc

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yet it still sold

naive pendant
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yeah true

hollow thorn
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and remember

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People like Intel

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it's only wishful thinking that new pricing will drop

gritty meadow
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over the course of history, prices very rarely drop because of new tech being launched

naive pendant
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yeah

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zen 3 processers cost a lot

autumn fossil
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im trying to find a motherboard for my 3070, is the ROG Strix B 450 F gaming good?

naive pendant
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so people are defo gonna use intel and 2nd generation amd

hollow thorn
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so far.

naive pendant
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yeah

hollow thorn
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@autumn fossil GPU does not in any way affect motherboard choice. CPU does.

autumn fossil
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well its for my whole setup

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mk then I guess ima get it

hollow thorn
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then tell us the rest of your "whole setup" :P

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Can't make a decision off 10% of the information required

naive pendant
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ive heard that amds new gpus might be better and more affordable then nvidias 30 series

autumn fossil
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right now I have a R 5 3400 cpu, gonna get a 3600, and then I have 16gb of ram

gritty meadow
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@autumn fossil IF you are going 3070, at least do yourself the favour of going b550 for the mainboard chipset

autumn fossil
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:/

naive pendant
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@autumn fossil what games are you going to need the 3070 for?

gritty meadow
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(if you are in actual need of a mainboard that is)

hollow thorn
#

Oh and by the way, on the "Zen 3 processors cost a lot" statement, CPUs are priced reasonably based off how they value the CPU.

autumn fossil
#

cold war, maybe cyberpunk

hollow thorn
#

For example, 5600x is 300$, price matching 10600k.

autumn fossil
#

other games of the sort

hollow thorn
#

There's reasoning behind everything.

naive pendant
#

3070 is kinda unnecessary for those games

autumn fossil
#

I would have gone with th 3080 :?

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:/

naive pendant
#

u could use a 20 series and play perfectly fine

#

tbh

gritty meadow
#

@naive pendant except, you dont know.

autumn fossil
#

mhm

#

ik

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but I just want the 3007

#

3070

hollow thorn
#

Oh yea, you didn't even ask for resolution :D

autumn fossil
#

1080

#

p

naive pendant
#

cyberpunk will defo be fine with 20 series

autumn fossil
#

I already got the 3070

hollow thorn
#

..?

autumn fossil
#

mmm

naive pendant
#

u did?

autumn fossil
#

brb

hollow thorn
#

"will defo be fine"?

#

how would you know

autumn fossil
#

yeah i did

#

in shipping

hollow thorn
#

when the game isn't even out yet >:D

gritty meadow
#

i find you faith in your deep understanding of a game that is not out yet, to be truly fascinating @naive pendant

naive pendant
#

cus look at the minimum and recommended specs for cyberpunk. recommended never said "u should get a 30 series gpu"

gritty meadow
#

ofc it doesnt

hollow thorn
#

apply that logic to some other games maybe ;)

gritty meadow
#

look at the original crysis requirements @naive pendant

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please tell me that anything in those made it actually run "good"

naive pendant
#

k lemme look

hollow thorn
#

oh yea, an example that I've experienced

#

Ark

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Reccomends 1050ti

#

I have a 2070, can't get over 90fps.

naive pendant
#

reccomended is a gtx 1060 or an amd radeon r9 fury and compare that to a 30 series

gritty meadow
#

that is remastered @naive pendant

naive pendant
#

it is?

hollow thorn
#

We're talking about the OG crysis

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from like 2005

gritty meadow
#

Crysis is a wee bit older than that :)

naive pendant
#

o

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idk

hollow thorn
#

And yea

autumn fossil
#

:/

naive pendant
#

o

gritty meadow
#

NONE of that was even remotely enough to play it nicely at a decent resolution

hollow thorn
#

mhm

naive pendant
#

and hes getting a 30 series though

hollow thorn
#

Even low end hardware today might have trouble.

#

We're giving you examples of how "recommended" doesn't mean crap

naive pendant
#

ok

gritty meadow
#

the lesson you should be getting from this @naive pendant

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Dont be so sure based off recommended specs

naive pendant
#

but compare that gpu to like a 2060 or 2070. he could still be playing without bad performance probably

autumn fossil
#

mmm

naive pendant
#

not sure though

autumn fossil
#

I got lost in this convo

gritty meadow
#

@autumn fossil for now, just hang tight.

hollow thorn
#

mhm

autumn fossil
#

haha

gritty meadow
#

its a conversation about blanket statements being bad.

hollow thorn
#

@naive pendant but how do you know when the game isn't even out yet :D

naive pendant
#

i was assuming cus when u compare that gpu to a 20 series its noticably differeent

hollow thorn
#

oh and by the way, with the GTX 1060 recommended for Crysis remastered, a RTX 3080 barely gets 60+fps on max settings on Crysis remastered.

naive pendant
#

but does it run well?

vast granite
#

but how the game performs on a 20 series isnt even known cuz its not out

gritty meadow
#

@autumn fossil long story short. IF you have the budget for a 500-ish USD GPU, the 3070 is a decent choice.

naive pendant
#

not sure just asking

hollow thorn
#

It's not released yet

gritty meadow
#

@naive pendant you seemed to think so.

naive pendant
#

@vast granite im assuming

hollow thorn
#

only some people have been given the demo

#

Assumptions aren't great :)

naive pendant
#

ok

#

my bad

gritty meadow
#

fair, please stick to facts if possible :)

naive pendant
#

k

autumn fossil
#

So i bought the 3070, and I need more hardware to work perfectly with it?

gritty meadow
#

and @naive pendant its not that we are trying to jump on you. Its that people that lurk can easily take things out of context.

naive pendant
#

okay

hollow thorn
#

3070 is just fine

naive pendant
#

my bad

hollow thorn
#

It's a good choice still

autumn fossil
#

thats why, I was going to get a 3080 but it was a little over the top

gritty meadow
#

And having to clear up that kind of mess .. is just annoying for everyone involved :)

hollow thorn
#

and if you're looking for a list of everything else, I can make that in a bit.

naive pendant
#

ok

autumn fossil
#

well the last thing I need is a R 5 3600 cpu in my opinion

hollow thorn
#

I think you should get a 5600x if possible :D

autumn fossil
#

my cpu right now will bottleneck

#

let me check it out

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$300

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hmm

#

the 3600 is 200 but I guess I can get the 5600x

gritty meadow
#

i am still strongly leaning on the 8cores (when possible in builds, even for the zen3 models) @hollow thorn

hollow thorn
#

I see

gritty meadow
#

so i am very much looking forward to seeing exactly how that 3600/X VS 5600x performs on nov 5th

hollow thorn
#

me too

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But well, I still have the same mindset Crysis had a decade ago - Faster single core perf

gritty meadow
#

aye aye

naive pendant
#

but a r5 3600 isnt really old so would it bottleneck with a 3070?

hollow thorn
#

and 5800x pricing is really off-putting imo.

gritty meadow
#

and i will happily admit that i am thinking very very long term with my 8core opinion here.

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aye aye, its not remotely as nice as the 3700x price.

hollow thorn
vast granite
#

@hollow thorn i agree its why I was looking forward for a 5700x

autumn fossil
#

I checked the compatibility between the 2 and it showed that it wouldnt, or at least very little

hollow thorn
#

So am I :)

autumn fossil
#

@hollow thorn

gritty meadow
#

the FX was a "weird" architecture

hollow thorn
#

@autumn fossil don't trust bottleneck calculators

autumn fossil
#

oh wrong person

hollow thorn
#

that's true, but it just came to me :)

gritty meadow
#

aye aye

#

and trust me, that marketing "spiel" was hilarious! when it was originally rolled out

autumn fossil
#

ooh whats with the green text

#

im a regular now, thats cool

gritty meadow
#

means you have talked enough to upgraded

autumn fossil
#

alright then i need to get the 56000x

gritty meadow
#

and you can actually post links now :)

autumn fossil
#

epic

worn night
#

The best investment rn would def be an RTX 3090, then you can play games 🤓

autumn fossil
#

:/

#

nope, too much

#

overkill

naive pendant
#

i saw an asus tuf 3090 for 3k in stock on amazon last night lmao

hollow thorn
#

@worn night replace "best" with "biggest" and you got yourself a good sentence

autumn fossil
#

yup

#

indeed

naive pendant
#

3090 is kinda overkill

autumn fossil
#

it is

worn night
#

It's a great budget GPU Oh_No

autumn fossil
#

:/

naive pendant
#

lol

worn night
#

we all should have one

autumn fossil
#

nope not me

#

i have the 3070

gritty meadow
#

@worn night go calculate fan wattages in #old-cooling instead of doing dad-jokes here.

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:P

worn night
autumn fossil
#

oh yeah thats right, Im gonna get another set of ram :/

#

its gonna be overkill but, just why not

naive pendant
#

tbh 3070 would be the only 30 series gpu i would actually get

autumn fossil
#

indeed

gritty meadow
#

of the currently announced cards that is :)

naive pendant
#

yeah

autumn fossil
#

yessir

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🙂

gritty meadow
#

@autumn fossil could you make a list in pcpp of your current machine?

naive pendant
#

the 3080 and 3090 are unnecessary for the games i play

autumn fossil
#

of what I have right now?

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or what im going to get

gritty meadow
#

that would give us a starting point to reference when talking about parts you want to get

#

a list of what you have NOW

autumn fossil
#

oh alright

hollow thorn
naive pendant
#

how do u make lists with a different currency other than usd?

hollow thorn
#

Different regions

naive pendant
#

oh ok

hollow thorn
gritty meadow
#

@naive pendant upper right is the simple answer :)

naive pendant
#

oh ok

hollow thorn
#

mhm

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click the flag

gritty meadow
#

:)

naive pendant
#

oh alr

autumn fossil
gritty meadow
#

that is the wrong link :)

autumn fossil
#

oops

gritty meadow
#

yellow box :)

autumn fossil
#

yeah i got it

#

ofc some things are unlisted but thats the gist of it

hollow thorn
#

What else?

autumn fossil
#

like my case and fans and leds

hollow thorn
#

Specifics would be nice

autumn fossil
#

?

hollow thorn
#

What else exactly do you have?

autumn fossil
#

a 250gb Sata ssd

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and yeah what I said before

#

im already going to replace the cpu

hollow thorn
#

I'm just going to assume everything is exactly what is on the list

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and the 250gb ssd has dram

autumn fossil
#

I have 4 rgb fans, 1 led strip, um and the case is from digital storm

hollow thorn
#

eek

autumn fossil
#

its because I bought my pc prebuilt, (worst mistake ever)

#

and then I started to add from their

hollow thorn
#

when the time comes, I'd swap to B550m pro4 and 5600x or something like that for CPU+Mobo at the same time

autumn fossil
#

i upgraded to the 450 :/

#

b 450

hollow thorn
#

Because B550 doesn't support 3xxx APUs

autumn fossil
#

:/

hollow thorn
#

and B450 has spotty compatibility with 5th gen Ryzen

#

as in, it's only going to start to come in iirc January/February

#

and only on select boards, not all boards

autumn fossil
#

mmm

hollow thorn
#

and a 3400g is kinda

autumn fossil
#

i cant go from 450 to 550 just yet

hollow thorn
#

yea I'd upgrade

#

eek

autumn fossil
#

yeah ik, i will

gritty meadow
#

so, 3600/3700 is your next step then

autumn fossil
#

is that what you reccomend?

#

oops i typed it wrong

#

or should i get something else

gritty meadow
#

its what your words leave as the only logical choice if you want to pair it with a 3070

autumn fossil
#

so then the 3600 i guess

#

i really dont know anymore :/

gritty meadow
#

when do you plan on upgrading parts @autumn fossil ?

autumn fossil
#

the cpu is the main one,

#

maybe being towards the end of this year, or starting next year

#

if I can earlier tho

gritty meadow
#

for now, focus on trying to get the gpu

#

yes, your cpu aint ideal for it

autumn fossil
#

thats right

gritty meadow
#

but it will be a massive upgrade for you

autumn fossil
#

yup

gritty meadow
#

the rest can come as you go really

autumn fossil
#

i get the gpu next week wedndesday

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mmm, my typing is bad

#

so basically the 3600 is the only thing I can really get at this point

gritty meadow
#

yes/no

autumn fossil
#

mmm

gritty meadow
#

you can get anything from the 3000 series

#

but 3600/3700 are the only ones that make any sense

granite plume
#

Should i get a x570 Aorus Elite or b550 mag tomahawk with a Ryzen 5 5600x (or 3000 series) or just wait for am5

autumn fossil
#

alright cool

gritty meadow
#

(as long as you are on that mainboard)

#

but

hollow thorn
#

@granite plume what do you have now

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And what are you looking to do with it?

granite plume
#

Something that must be upgraded urgently and gaming

gritty meadow
#

keep in mind: IF your mainboard OEM decides that your board gets bios support for the 5000 chips, then you could upgrade to that. But we wont know anything about that until january at the earliest (is my estimate) @autumn fossil

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@granite plume AM5 = not something that will arrive for anything "urgent"

hollow thorn
#

@granite plume okay, do you have anything specific you're looking for in a motherboard? Because you can get a motherboard for a lot cheaper than those two and do most of the same things.

autumn fossil
#

@gritty meadow i see, so your telling me if the MB supports it, i should get a cpu from the 5000 series?

gritty meadow
#

aye, might as well @autumn fossil :)

hollow thorn
#

But remember, that's an "if" you can't answer for another 2 months or so, so I wouldn't bet on it.

autumn fossil
#

i see, well thanks that helps, it narrowed my options down quite alot

gritty meadow
#

you are very welcome @autumn fossil

granite plume
#

@granite plume AM5 = not something that will arrive for anything "urgent"
@gritty meadow yea but i want to go with 5600x and bacause is the last gen for am4 and i dont Know if it will be supported on Am5 (most likely not) and if i should just wait or get a 3000 series

gritty meadow
#

sorry we cannot give you a more "yes/no" answer

autumn fossil
#

nah its all good, just as long as my cpu and gpu combo work fairly well @gritty meadow

gritty meadow
#

AM5= new ram = no support for zen3 and earlier

hollow thorn
#

I'm just going to give you a reference to what I would wait to get, a 5600x with a B550m pro4. 300$ cpu and 105$ motherboard.

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But my question is, do you have any need for a motherboard better than a pro4?

granite plume
#

I mean if it has good vrm and io as well i dont think so

hollow thorn
#

Heh, why do you think you need good VRMs?

granite plume
#

Look if it works till Am5 and ddr5 becomes the norm and affordable as well i think it works good

hollow thorn
#

I'm asking that because it's an interesting topic that's hard to quantify and doesn't really matter to the average consumer at the end of the day. (Beyond it works and doesn't start a fire)

#

Check the io if you want, I think it's good enough on the pro4.

granite plume
#

Checked it already but realtek i dunno i heard some people had problems with realtek

#

But i dunno if on this mobo tough

hollow thorn
#

Uh

#

What part of realtek

granite plume
#

Lan

hollow thorn
#

Alc1200 is a pretty good audio chip

#

Ah

gritty meadow
#

IF you are on windows, its fine

granite plume
#

Im planning to switch to linux tough

gritty meadow
#

then its on you to research what the support is like now

granite plume
#

K

vast granite
#

how I wish linux was more supported

faint ferry
#

How do you turn on turbo boost for ryzen like what intel has?

neat estuary
#

Its on by default

vagrant surge
#

what are your thoughts on "MSI B450M BAZOOKA MAX WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard"?

fallen lynx
#

decent for a mATX B450 board

vagrant surge
#

good pick with Ryzen 5 3600 and Geforce rtx 2060?

hollow thorn
#

what's the overall build?

vagrant surge
hollow thorn
#

I go edit now

vagrant surge
#

i keep tweaking a thing or two once i a while to get best price for performance

#

im gonna start buying when prices drop a bit

#

and when the case gets restocked

#

if it gets restocked

hollow thorn
#

eh

proper lava
#

I also need recommendation a motherboard with wifi because I just realized I need one

vagrant surge
#

same actually... :/

hollow thorn
#

hm?

#

okai

#

@proper lava what cpu

proper lava
#

Ryzen 5600x

hollow thorn
#

@proper lava what overall budget

proper lava
#

1500

hollow thorn
#

I'm guessing B550m Pro-vdh wifi also

vagrant surge
#

thanks @hollow thorn

hollow thorn
#

X570 plus wifi for splurging

fresh river
#

Is 3600 MHz- C18 or 3200MHz - c16 better for programming and gaming

hollow thorn
#

for what CPU

peak sail
#

its already time to jump from a ryzen 3600xt to a 5600x or more

tranquil wolf
#

so few lower (16 or 18) CAS latency laptop RAM modules, so many less expensive higher (20 or 22) lol

haughty delta
#

Which CPU-brand is better if I'm wanting to build a server: AMD, or Intel?

(I'm planning on using it to run a Discord bot I made, and my bf's bot, and maybe an MC server as well
Planning on having it running nearly 24/7, (if not 24/7))

(My budget for the system is at the least 1000 (or maybe more))

hollow thorn
#

Server usually means EPYC/TR for most people, but a server in that case should benefit from the more threads offered by Ryzen.

fresh river
#

for what CPU
@hollow thorn 5600x

hollow thorn
#

3600mhz cl18.

fresh river
#

Alright, tysm

hollow thorn
#

(assuming Infinity Fabric works same way as Zen 2, which it should.)

candid scarab
#

How’s this

crystal flume
#

if i plan on getting 5900x, will it work on an x570 out of the box?

loud escarp
#

Crosshair VIII Hero or Aorus Master?

crystal flume
#

x570 asrock steel legend

#

also i don't have an amd cpu right now to install a bios update :x

crystal flume
#

@loud escarp 👋 😂

loud escarp
#

@crystal flume what? Lol

crystal flume
#

nevermind

loud escarp
#

Its the boards because of the cpu/gpu right?

#

Ohhhhh @crystal flume I didnt mean that to be an answer to your question lol, that was for me cause I cant choose between the boards im sorry for the confusion

pastel monolith
#

it will work 😉

#

I dont think you will need to flash bios but I could be wrong

#

you should probably flash even if it does work out of the box looks like a lot of performance increase on the F31 bios for x570's

crystal flume
#

but wont i need an older gen ryzen to flash the bios?

pastel monolith
#

that is the rub

crystal flume
#

😦

pastel monolith
#

I would try like a local computer repair shop if you dont know anyone that has one they shouldn't charge much for a bios update

crystal flume
#

ha

#

everything is expensive here

#

locally i mean

pastel monolith
#

or buy a pc from best buy that has a older ryzen and return it after flashing bios = free

crystal flume
#

theres no such thing as a best buy here

#

:p

pastel monolith
#

or a walmart or anyplace that sells PCs

crystal flume
#

i guess

#

according to google most x570s should work with ryzen 5000 right out of the box

pastel monolith
#

Also remember that you must not spend too much otherwise you are better off just buying a new $150ish motherboard that doesnt need flashed

#

s

#

I think it might too

#

and then you can flash it no problem for the performance increase

crystal flume
#

im getting the x570 steel legend

pastel monolith
#

hard to tell with AMD sometimes hopefully it will just work

crystal flume
#

🤷‍♀️

pastel monolith
#

well they werent very clear in their announcement

crystal flume
#

i guess ill have to wait for youtubers to get their hands on them

#

and see what they have to say

pastel monolith
#

says it "ensures the most comprehensive performance, compatibility, and reliability improvements for users to have the most pleasant experience with AMD Ryzen 5000 series processors

crystal flume
#

😮

pastel monolith
#

compatibility and reliability sound pretty important but than they say pleasant experience like you would just have a less than pleasant experience if you dont update....?

crystal flume
#

the main reasons i went with the steel legend cause of the silver accents and it was fairly cheaper than other mobos

pastel monolith
#

I've heard good things about the steel legend

crystal flume
#

well good xD

peak sail
#

Hiddy ho people

tacit hemlock
#

Haven't seen Nilboggen in a while

pastel monolith
#

YO

tiny zenith
#

Aorus has Q flash plus mobo can flash bios with just power being supplied no cpu necessary

worn furnace
#

is crucial ballistix 3200mhz cl 16 ram capable of being oc'd to 3600 cl16?

fallen lynx
#

unlikely

#

but who knows

naive pendant
#

is this ram safe to put in my pc bulid Patriot Viper Steel 16 gb 4100 gz

fallen lynx
#

what is the rest of your build? usually fast RAM like that isn't worth the premium

#

especially if it is a Ryzen CPU

naive pendant
#

yeah it is a ryzen the 12 core ryzen 9 3900x

#

and a x570

#

and a 3080

#

(coming)

fallen lynx
#

for ryzen generally 3600 is the sweet spot

naive pendant
#

Thank u

fallen lynx
#

over that you get diminishing returns, and will even hurt performance

naive pendant
#

good I am trying to stream on pc so

fallen lynx
#

also, get 32 not 16

dusky flicker
#

You could always get a 3200 for slightly cheaper and OC it or try too.

#

If you want to get 32GB

#

Cause 32GB is expensive but it is recommended for streaming.

hollow thorn
#

Meh

#

I wouldn't bet on OCing

peak sail
#

0Hiddy ho..

plush knot
#

What cpu should I buy

heady root
#

depends on budget

plush knot
#

I have like $1500 for pc and monitor

#

And want at least 1440p at reasonable frame rate

magic cedar
#

R5 3600

plush knot
#

I don’t need to buy windows I have that already

magic cedar
#

R5 3600 + 2060s

heady root
#

$1200 rtx 3070 + r5 3600 build +$ 300 1440p 144hz monitor

magic cedar
#

1200$ 3070 is hard

heady root
#

not at all

#

3070 can be done for like a thousand flat

plush knot
#

Makes sense if I can actually get a 3070 but I feel like the odds of that are low

#

Aren’t they super hard to get

hollow thorn
#

5600x

heady root
#

a 5600x can be done

hollow thorn
#

mhm

fresh river
#

I would think a 600w would be a bit low for the build, no?

heady root
#

600 is fine

fresh river
#

i thought the recommended power intake was 650 atleast, might want to go for that JIC

split copper
#

600w plenty tho 😳

fresh river
#

Does the 3070 not have powerspikes?

heady root
#

you can run it on even less than 600

fresh river
#

I couldve sworn 750 was recommended

heady root
#

for 3070 iirc 650 was recommended

#

and if you're going 650w 80+ gold get a phanteks amp

fresh river
#

Rip ill change my PSU in my personal build then lmao

#

To a 650 or 700, I would rather be safe than sorry + upgradability

heady root
#

fair

white owl
#

is there gonna be a r5 5600

#

or just a 5600x

gritty meadow
#

there will be more models in the stack

#

no, we dont know when

#

no, we dont know the price

white owl
#

ah ok, thx

gritty meadow
#

np :)

rigid condor
#

Why should I buy ram when you can download it?

neat estuary
#

Ya just download it. Like the shinest pictures of ram you can find

fallen lynx
#

don't copy that floppy!

rigid condor
#

Maybe I can download a motherboard too

split copper
#

You wouldn't download a car kekw

hollow thorn
#

You wouldn't download a house

carmine lynx
#

when does the ryzen 9 5900x come out?

hollow thorn
#

5th iirc

carmine lynx
#

damn

#

I wonder if its going to be like the 3080 and sell out instantly

gritty meadow
#

unlikely

carmine lynx
#

I don't even have a 5000 series capable mobo

#

eh If i can get one

#

I will

vast granite
#

🤞

gritty meadow
#

any b550/x570 board works for that

carmine lynx
#

I know

#

I have a b450 steel legend

gritty meadow
#

then waiting for January and seeing what the official support looks like at that point is your best bet :)

carmine lynx
#

what I might do

#

is get the cpu and ask for a x570 for christmas

gritty meadow
#

b550 is plenty

#

no benefit as such from the x570 for regular consumers

carmine lynx
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fair enough

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im hopefully getting the 3080 lian li 011 mid tower and a aio

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and ll120 fans

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another question

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so I tried turning on xmp and I got the motherboard and it just freezes

gritty meadow
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try and see if you can dial in the XMP settings manually instead

carmine lynx
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aight

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if I do mess up

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is there any major consequences

gritty meadow
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nah, just reset bios and try again

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its as simple as that really

carmine lynx
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aight bet

carmine lynx
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so if you do get a x570/b550 mobo will it be able to support 5000 series out the box or will you need to flash it

gritty meadow
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out of the box

carmine lynx
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bettttt

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If I were to buy a x570 board for the 5000 series should I get the Asus Rog Crosshair VIII hero Or Asus Rog Strix x570-e Gaming atx motherboard

naive pendant
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can b450 boards support 5000 series at all?

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or do you just need a bios update

hollow thorn
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It's not universal support

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and no b450 boards currently have support

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they're planning on ~jan 2021 to start releasing the beta BIOS updates that'll allow for Zen 3 on B450.

naive pendant
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alr thanks

fresh plinth
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wait really, B550 board support Zen 3 out of the box?

fresh plinth
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oh sick

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I was about to buy a way more expensive board than I need

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glad I decided to read this channel

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lol

split copper
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could also get a cheaper-but-still-good-quality X570

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if they're available

fresh plinth
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Yeah, im trying to be really budget friendly tho

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and B550 is all that ill need

devout mothBOT
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fresh plinth
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oops

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uhh

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im finally upgrading my crapy i5-7500

split copper
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😳

peak sail
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@fresh plinth What are you buying, I got the kids 4690k and 4790k processors

fresh plinth
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I’m not entirely sure, because I’m going to wait for all of the numbers to come out, but I think I’m going to get the 5800x

meager perch
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Newegg hasn't listed the Zen 3 CPUS in the US yet, have they?

fresh river
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I mean

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they arent going to be released for about 2 more days so prob not

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just double check I think its the 5th

small urchin
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Thoughts on this? A pin is bent on my mobo and still works but concerned about the future of it

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Currently running a Asus Prime H270-PLUS

worthy dome
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Oof

gritty meadow
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@small urchin a pin where?

small urchin
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On the cpu socket, 1 bent pin and 1 missing

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or is this worth the extra $25? already have a wifi card :/

gritty meadow
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your choice really

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there arent any bad (as such) boards

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look at what the board has for IO (usb types etc etc) and choose based on that

small urchin
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would perfer not to have to spend anything haha but now may be the time to buy?

gritty meadow
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if you want to buy, you can buy :)

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you are the one that has to use your current machine

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so... yeah, the risk evaluation etc has to be done by you

plush knot
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So with what I was saying in #graphics-cards would 16gb of ram be sufficient I assume

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And also would the new ryzen 5600x bottleneck with a 3070

fresh river
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is the MSI b550 tomahawk worth $40 more than the B550-a PRO with the main difference only being 2.5 gigabit lan

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And also would the new ryzen 5600x bottleneck with a 3070
@plush knot no

naive pendant
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So with what I was saying in #graphics-cards would 16gb of ram be sufficient I assume
@plush knot yes

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and the the 5600x will not bottle neck

plush knot
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So would this be feasible for a $1500 build?

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I’ll buy a monitor on Black Friday

fresh river
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ill send you my 1.5k build

naive pendant
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So would this be feasible for a $1500 build?
@plush knot yea

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but idk if u could fit a 4k monitor

fresh river
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my pricing is a bit wonky for the parts I already paid for

naive pendant
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u can got with a 5600x

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and different ssd

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and better ram

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and you really dont need to pay for windows 10

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but thats ur choice

plush knot
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Where is it sourcing a 3080 for $550

fresh river
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the pricing for the CPU is for the 5600x which is why its 300, the ssd i know I can, the ram is pretty good

plush knot
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I have windows ten that’s not a problem

fresh river
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and windows 10 im not paying for

naive pendant
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ok

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the pricing for the CPU is for the 5600x which is why its 300, the ssd i know I can, the ram is pretty good
@fresh river u can get 3600 mhz

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ram

fresh river
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Where is it sourcing a 3080 for $550
@plush knot when I made the part list a 3 070 wasnt available so i clicked a random gpu

naive pendant
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for same price

fresh river
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is it not at 3600 mhz?

naive pendant
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it doesn't have rgb

fresh river
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it is at 3600 mhz

plush knot
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Makes sense

naive pendant
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3200mhz is where corsair is best

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3600mhz corsair costs a lot

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u could go with ripjaws 5

fresh river
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im willing to pay more for a brand i trust and if im having this for a while i want it to look cool lol

naive pendant
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g skill is trusted

fresh river
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thats more of a personal preference than best deal

naive pendant
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ok for looks]then go corsair\if u dont need rgb

plush knot
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So I’ll probably get a different case also on Black Friday so I can get a better price

naive pendant
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u can go ripjaws

devout mothBOT
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fresh river
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for st uff

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oops

naive pendant
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i have to go

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i will send a list later

fresh river
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alright cya, t yfor you r suggestions though

naive pendant
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yea good luck

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have a good day

fresh river
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i was proably gonna switch out the ssd possibly, and you too man

plush knot
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I should buy that ram ASAP since it’s on sale

fresh river
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the corsair vengeance?

plush knot
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Yeah it’s $90 rn

fresh river
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I would wait until black friday