#cpus-mobo-and-memory | Newegg | Page 132

lament jewel Oct 17, 2020, 6:38 AM

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too true. imma head off for the night, thank you much again! have a good one!

hollow thorn Oct 17, 2020, 6:39 AM

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You too! :)

upper leaf Oct 17, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Hey guys
[8:15 AM]
got a quick easy question. Haven't built a computer in 12 years.

I got the DDR4-4266 ram before the processor and I'm looking at the Intel i9 10980XE. I think it said it supports 2933 MHz DDR4 memory. Does that mean my ram is not going to work?

worn night Oct 17, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Big money moves

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👀

upper leaf Oct 17, 2020, 1:36 PM

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I guess

worn night Oct 17, 2020, 2:06 PM

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@upper leaf this for a workstation or gaming?

deft charm Oct 17, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Can someone send me the Cheapest reliable 3200 MHz ram

fallen lynx Oct 17, 2020, 6:26 PM

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it will work, but it was probably a big waste of money

dusky pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 6:32 PM

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@deft charm https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820231941?item=N82E16820231941&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-memory+(desktop+memory)-_-N82E16820231941&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2YTvvqG87AIVRT2tBh1VzgVhEAQYAiABEgInmvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

rapid patio Oct 17, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Does anyone know what’s wrong with my computer? I just replaced my ram with new ram and it blue screens. When I put the old ram in it does the same.

hollow thorn Oct 17, 2020, 7:14 PM

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@upper leaf What motherboard, and what exact kit do you have?

dusky pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Should i get cable extensions

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If i do which one do u guys recommend

hollow thorn Oct 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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no, too expensive

dusky pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 7:16 PM

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ok

hollow thorn Oct 17, 2020, 7:16 PM

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cablemod

fallen lynx Oct 17, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Extensions are aesthetic only, so only you can tell if you need them

hollow thorn Oct 17, 2020, 7:20 PM

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@upper leaf Here's the thing, with ram, there is no "max freq for all sticks" for the CPU, it's a bit wacky, I'll give you a specific scenario as an example :
With the 10980xe and the X299 Dark, you can get up to 4000mhz on 4 sticks, or up to 4133mhz rated for 2 sticks.

dusky pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Why is it 127$

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wth

hollow thorn Oct 17, 2020, 7:27 PM

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exactly

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I told you

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too expensive

dusky pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Im getting psu that comes with cables

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That are white

fallen lynx Oct 17, 2020, 7:33 PM

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most cable extension kits should be around $30, but cablemod can get super expensive really fast if you custom order everything

turbid haven Oct 17, 2020, 9:02 PM

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I have a question involving bios. If I order a motherboard, will it have the newest bios update on it?

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My plan is to grt one of the upcoming 5th gen ryzen chips, and it will be part of my first build. However, seeing as my planned motherboard is already out now, i understand it will need a new bios update, and I cant do that if the chip is not supported. Do i need to upgrade motherboard, buy an extra cpu thats cheap, or anything else?

gritty meadow Oct 17, 2020, 9:04 PM

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@turbid haven we cannot really answer that in the specific context you are asking.

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However, note the following

turbid haven Oct 17, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Alright, sorry, I just dont want to blow a lot of money on a pc i cant use

gritty meadow Oct 17, 2020, 9:05 PM

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nothing to be sorry about, but wait a bit. got some more info for you :)

turbid haven Oct 17, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Thank you

gritty meadow Oct 17, 2020, 9:06 PM

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when a board is made, it gets the latest stable bios applied to it. Because the manufacturer obviously does NOT want to have boards with different bios versions floating around (if they can avoid it that is)

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BUT

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the problem/challenge comes when you get to the warehouses of the vendors (amazon/newegg/local shop etc etc)

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FIFO is optimally used for things that have a shelf date

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FIFO = first in, first out.

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parts like mainboards did not originally have a shelf life as such

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so, FIFO did not matter.

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the moment we started getting multiple generations of CPU's on mainboards however .. that changed.

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However, that is on the warehouses to manage

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and some of them do NOT do a very good job of that

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(there are a number of reasons for this, and for any logistics trained person, it would make a lot of sense, but it is not really relevant for you to know about)

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but all of the above is the main reason why we cannot answer it for you :)

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What i can say however is this: AMD is aware of it. The manufacturers of the mainboards are aware of it.

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So there will be "some kind" of solution to it. We just dont know the details YET

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does all of that make sense?

turbid haven Oct 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Yeah, it makes sense

gritty meadow Oct 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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okay, next part is this:

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for the zen2 chips (3600 and above) the way AMD solved it for zen1/zen1+ mainboards was this: Bios upgrade kits that you borrow from AMD

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https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100

Unable to Boot New Desktop System Configured with AMD 3rd Generatio...

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that is listed there.

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However, the mainboard manufacturers figured out a way around that

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MSI and Asus have "upgrade bios without a cpu installed" functionality on some boards

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So, in theory, as long as you have a board that has that functionality. there should not be a problem :)

turbid haven Oct 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Alright, thank you. I will look closely at my board and see if it allows that

gritty meadow Oct 17, 2020, 9:17 PM

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it will normally be listed on the manufacturers page under the specifications :)

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you are very welcome, and best of luck :)

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also, IF you are in doubt about a specific board, ask here :)

magic cedar Oct 17, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I was wondering that too lol and u explained very throughly 🙂

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Im pretty sure most of Asus boards that are x570 and b550 will have support

gritty meadow Oct 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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depends on the specific bios version @magic cedar

magic cedar Oct 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Mm

novel abyss Oct 17, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Yo is it worth it to Get a i9 9900k from Microcenter for $300 rn?

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 1:24 AM

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If you don't have a build down yet, and are looking to build a gaming PC, yea.

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Is there any reason why people tend to use 3200 more than 3600? Is it just not worth to spend extra money for 3600 because the two are similar in performance or am I missing something?

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Cheaper. And “good enough”. I’d say your leaving about 2-4% performance on the table but nothing anyone would really notice.

worn night Oct 18, 2020, 3:34 AM

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@neat estuary what would you say is more important latency or Mhz speed

wild moat Oct 18, 2020, 4:06 AM

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wouldn't it be more worth it to just upgrade to 4400 when that becomes mainstream, or might as well wait for ddr5

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:27 AM

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What's recommend for thermal paste

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I can YouTube on how to wipe it off carefully but I'm just curious on what's recommended

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:30 AM

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@naive pendant wdym, like what pastes are reccomended, or like how to get them off..?

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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What pastes are recommended

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I had been sent some from a CPU cooler but never used it (Didn't know my AMD came with one)

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So the AMD came with it on it

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Any decent pastes work, MX-4 is a popular well priced option, I like NT-H2 because Noctua fanclub >:D

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Alrighty

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They're like 15 bucks so not too bad

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What's a good size to put on it

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Half a dime?

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 5:34 AM

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dime?

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:34 AM

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One second there's a paste application video thing around here

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 AM

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neat

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 AM

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@naive pendant oh and by the way, don't worry about too much, having too much doesn't affect performance much, GN did testing on that.

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This is how you get that perfect spread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc7bCC1TmVg

YouTube

der8auer

Thermal Paste Application Methods 2015 - Test with new products inc...

A quick view on different application methods including the most common products and also a look on how liquid metal spreads under pressure.

▶ Play video

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Yeah but I've seen people just flat out down it

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Also dont buy a tub of thermal paste either

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 AM

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also seen reddit photos of people putting it on the cpu pins

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 AM

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scammaz

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Take a quick look through this for the benchmarks.
https://youtu.be/EUWVVTY63hc

YouTube

Gamers Nexus

“Too Much Thermal Paste” – Benchmark of Thermal Paste Quantity

We've all seen people say "that's too much thermal paste." Most the time, it turns out, they're wrong. This test benchmarks thermal paste application methods.
Ad: EVGA's 19th Anniversary Giveaway is here: http://geni.us/NZnUrfn

Article: https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3346...

▶ Play video

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 AM

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jesus

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christ

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Good psu

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Plz

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850w

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 AM

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And yes they tested with a ton of paste on the CPU

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I think you can tell I've given up on PSUs for the day

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 5:37 AM

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pls mr1111

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:37 AM

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:p

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Ok ok I was about to say

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 5:37 AM

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;(

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Was gonna have a stroke trying to comprehend that it actually worked

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Watch through the video quickly then, jump around and see em do it

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:37 AM

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"Lemme put some lube on it and call it good"

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like what

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I'm sure someone's done that

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Or tried even toothpaste

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Mr1111 pls

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i dont know what to look for in psu

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:39 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20201018-013933.png

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:40 AM

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jesus

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:40 AM

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@naive pendant LTT did a vid with like nutella and random stuff as paste

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@dusky pagoda PSU tier list

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Just leave it at that

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Honestly they probably made triple the cost of what the PC was

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:40 AM

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?

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:40 AM

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From the views or they legitimately have money to burn

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or are they using like 300 dollar PCs

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:41 AM

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thoughts on the b450m steel legend with a ryzen 3 3300x

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:41 AM

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I think you should go for B550, and where'd you find a 3300x?

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 5:41 AM

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I looked at psu tier list

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https://www.newegg.com/fractal-design-ion-fd-psu-ionp-860p-bk-860w/p/N82E16817580024

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Is this ok?

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Yes

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Pog

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:42 AM

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living in NZ has its perks, namely everyone here doesnt go crazy over pc parts

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downside, Motherboard markets are dog

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 AM

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oof

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 AM

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I'd still grab a B550 boards if possible, if it's anything like the AU market

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 AM

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What's the population of New Zealand anyways

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 AM

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5 million

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i think

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:44 AM

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jesus

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:44 AM

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That seems really low

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:44 AM

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yeah we're a small island

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Damn it is

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:44 AM

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any recs on a b550?

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Basically any, none of them have real issues afaik

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B550m pro4 has been at a good price in the US.

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:45 AM

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I had gotten the B550 ASrock taichi, wouldn't take my word for it but I genuinely liked it

heady root Oct 18, 2020, 5:45 AM

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i'm just grabbing a b550 phantom

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simple and decent

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:45 AM

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also for some reason I thought NZ population was like

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200k or something

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I played wayyy to much plague inc

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:45 AM

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I was thinking more around 10mil lol

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:46 AM

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got the Asus Prime b550m-a, or the gigabyte b550m gaming

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for around the same price

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Because like NYC is like 7million iirc

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@vale oracle I assume gigabyte is ds3h, which would make my choice Asus b550m-a

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:46 AM

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as the b450m steel legend, as well as the b450f rog strix apparently

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https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MBDGBM35523/Gigabyte-B550M-GAMING-MATX-For-AMD-Ryzen-3rd-Gen-C?qr=pspy&ref=pricespy

PB Tech

Buy the Gigabyte B550M GAMING MATX For AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen CPU,AM4, B...

pbtech.co.nz Gigabyte B550M GAMING MATX For AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen CPU,AM4, B550, 2XDDR4 Dimm, 1XM.2, Back I/O: 6XUSB, DVI, VGA, HDMI, Lan, HD Audio, PS2, Internal I/O: 1XUSB2.0 1XUSB 3.2, 1X12V RGB Header, 1X5V A-RGB Header

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@hollow thorn

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Wtf

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Never heard of that board

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 AM

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https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/shop/components/motherboards/amd/asus-prime-b550m-a-wi-fi-matx-motherboard

Computer Lounge

ASUS PRIME B550M-A (WI-FI) mATX Motherboard

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heres the other one

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Looks kinda like a ds3h

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I'd go b550m-a because I actually know it

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 AM

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fair enough

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 AM

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I tho the b550 was over 250 dollars

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Thought*

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huh

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well any b550

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:49 AM

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What currency is that?

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:49 AM

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my inner pc builder is looking at this
https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/shop/components/motherboards/amd/asus-rog-strix-b450-f-gaming-motherboard
and going 'ooooh shiny'
send help

Computer Lounge

ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F Gaming Motherboard

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:49 AM

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USD

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:49 AM

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@vale oracle tell yourself, PCIE 4.0 IS DA FUTURE

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@naive pendant I'm thinking either aud or whatever New Zealand currency was

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:50 AM

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i accept this truth

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NZD

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hold up lemme

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:50 AM

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USD B550 boards go as low as 95$ so yea

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:50 AM

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1 NZD = 0.66 USD
1 USD = 1.50 NZD

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:51 AM

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B550m pro4, pretty good board, 95 usd.

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Aye I just wanted to make sure the currency was right

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:51 AM

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so it's 133 US for the b550m-a

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:51 AM

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It's at around the 130usd mark, but it's not really that useful converting into USD when it's a different market :)

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:52 AM

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yeah true

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:52 AM

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oof I'm dumb I just realized I was looking at the expensive ones

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:53 AM

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actually want a good looking board, and all these bare PCB's hurt me when i could get a decent looking b450 at this price

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:53 AM

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You one of those looks type of people

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fair

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:54 AM

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I'm basically always performance > looks, aesthetics are just an afterthought >:)

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:55 AM

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yeah fair enough

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:55 AM

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I just bought a simple case with non good looking stuff because of performance and because I know damn well I'd knock off my PC of my desk

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you do you though

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Looks do look neat

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:56 AM

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wait is this
https://1stwave.co.nz/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=35_54&products_id=2720
just this
https://1stwave.co.nz/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=35_54&products_id=2648
without a wifi adapter that looks like a shark fin?
@hollow thorn

Asus Prime B550M-K B550 DDR4 AMD AM4 Ryzen mATX Motherboard [PRIME ...

1stWave Technologies Asus Prime B550M-K B550 DDR4 AMD AM4 Ryzen mATX Motherboard [PRIME B550M-K] - AMD B550 (Ryzen AM4) micro ATX motherboard with dual M.2, PCIe 4.0, 1 Gb Ethernet, HDMI/D-Sub/DVI, SATA 6 Gbps, USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A AMD AM4 socket: Ready for 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ ...

Asus Prime B550M-A (Wi-Fi) B550 DDR4 AMD AM4 Ryzen mATX Motherboard...

1stWave Technologies Asus Prime B550M-A (Wi-Fi) B550 DDR4 AMD AM4 Ryzen mATX Motherboard [PRIME B550M-A (WI-FI)] - AMD B550 (Ryzen AM4) micro ATX motherboard with dual M.2, PCIe 4.0, Intel® WiFi 6, 1 Gb Ethernet, HDMI/D-Sub/DVI, SATA 6 Gbps, USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A, and Aura Sync...

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:57 AM

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One is wifi one isn't I think that's the only difference

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 5:57 AM

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thats a $30 price gap

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tf

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Mhm

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Makes sense

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 5:58 AM

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🦈u hatin bro?

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:58 AM

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For perspective, usually X570-Plus and X570-Plus wifi are 160$ and 190$ usd.

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Wifi does add a good bit of value.

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Anyone have any opinions on the MSI B550m Bazooka vs. the Asrock B550m Steel Legend? I'm trying to decide between the two

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Asrock

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 6:00 AM

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I've already got a PCI-E wifi adaptor, sadly it's not 5GHz but

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Use both

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:5head:

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:01 AM

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@naive pendant you want to just go in depth with the 2? Motherboard masrersheet, I'll pull it up for you to see.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/edit#gid=2112472504

Google Docs

X570/X470/X370/B550/B450/B350/A520/A320 Motherboards (AM4-socket fo...

AM4 MB Comparison @2017-2020 raisonjohn b.

AM4-socket MOTHERBOARD COMPARISON,SUBJECTIVE TIERS:,HOW TO SORT & FILTER THE MOTHERBOARD MODELS YOU ONLY NEED TO SEE AND COMPARE:
| Step 1: Select Row 11 (found at the left side of your screen), then, click the Filter Icon (at the ab...

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:01 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082NZYDDM/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_xO9IFbZ8JG4KZ
Use thspis instead @vale oracle

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Yeah sure. Basing a decision off of amazon reviews is kind of bad.

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ty

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:01 AM

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If u want

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Mobile doesn't like the sheet, so I can't look for you :p

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 6:01 AM

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$40

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yikes

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:02 AM

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40$?

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 6:02 AM

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ig it's good tho, considering 2.4ghz ones are like 20

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yeah here

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Its 25 for me

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yea

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 6:02 AM

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oosh

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:02 AM

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U dont want 2.4 ghz

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U wanna know why

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:02 AM

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@naive pendant important things to look at, M.2 slots speeds, (x2 lanes vs x4 lanes), audio chip, connectivity, fan headers, and slots to start off

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:03 AM

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A lot of devices nowadays use 2.4ghz, such as microwaves, etc.

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Thanks!

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Those microwaves can cause lagspikes

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They disrupt the 2.4 channel of frequency

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Audio chips can get confusing, all you need to know is a 1220 is great, a 1200 is good, everything else is kinda bad.

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Am i right

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:04 AM

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@naive pendant btw, there's instructions for doing filtered view at the top of the spreadsheet for ya.

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Ye I saw that, thanks for letting me know tho.

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 6:04 AM

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@dusky pagoda found this for 20 bucks cheaper

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https://www.amazon.com/LinksTek-Wireless-Adapter-PCIE-Card-Wireless-PCIE-N600/dp/B07Q1JK6QH/ref=sr_1_21?dchild=1&keywords=WiFi+PCie+card&qid=1603001000&sr=8-21

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because your card and mine both have 18 shipping on top of everything else

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:05 AM

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I shall now slip away

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:06 AM

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@vale oracle does it have wifi 6 tho?

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 6:07 AM

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could you explain, i seriously have no clue when it comes to wifi cards

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@hollow thorn cheers for the help

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@dusky pagoda

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Wha

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:07 AM

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wifi 6 better

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:07 AM

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@dusky pagoda what speeds do you have in your house.

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Wifi 5 and under bad

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2.4 and 5

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:08 AM

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What download speed.

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Like 200

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And 35 upload

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:08 AM

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And that means wifi 6 doesn't matter to you

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:08 AM

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i was on wifi

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and the router was really far

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Max bandwidth on 802.11 ac (also known as wifi 5) is around 1300mbps usually.

dusky pagoda Oct 18, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Im top left router bottom right

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 6:09 AM

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You have started a gang war
Objectives Updated: Survive

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:09 AM

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So uh yea

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:p

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Ax is only useful for people with like 2gbps download

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 6:10 AM

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aight so i assume my card is good

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from what i've read

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:10 AM

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And most ax routers use 5ghz band (same band used as 802.11ac, also known as wifi 5)

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The latest fanciest crap had the new 6ghz band or whatever

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But those are crazy expensive for both router and wireless adapter afaik

vale oracle Oct 18, 2020, 6:11 AM

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yeah i'd say so

gritty meadow Oct 18, 2020, 6:20 AM

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@hollow thorn do note, AX can be useful for LAN stuff

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:21 AM

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@gritty meadow explain please?

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Oh if you mean local wireless connection I understand, thought you meant Ethernet for a sec

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Just not common for me to really consider it lel

gritty meadow Oct 18, 2020, 6:23 AM

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LAN = local

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WAN = what you call internet

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Yea fair enough. I kinda default to thinking LAN as Ethernet for whatever reason

gritty meadow Oct 18, 2020, 6:25 AM

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technically it IS

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because you are still talking about the LAN part of things

grim hornet Oct 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Any motherboard suggestiongs (good looking) for** ryzen 7 3700x and rtx 3070**?
i am thinking about the** MSI mpg b550 gaming plus** or Gigabyte B550 AORUS Pro or Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING.

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:03 PM

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what's with the bolding

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Any of those boards are ok. Focus on the features you need like type c header, WiFi, USB ports etc

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ASRock B550 PG Velocita Supports 3rd Gen AMD AM4 Ryzen/Future AMD Ryzen Processors Motherboard https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089W55GQJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_bHhJFbXJ8J6XZ

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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what's with a 220$ b550 board....

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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There was a crazy sale on this one a week ago at 170$. Almost bought the damn thing for a future build.

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Asus X570-Plus at 160$

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Bah. I hate cheap x570 boards

magic cedar Oct 18, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Lmao i saw that deal on wegg and didnt buy tho

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Not cheap, 180 original

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Has wifi too

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:18 PM

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wdym :P

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X570-plus isn't a cheapo motherboard

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 5:19 PM

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I haven’t studied them recently. The last time I did a through review the b550s in the price range outperformed them in the power delivery part.

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Meh, power delivery is a very low priority on my list

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because again, Ryzen chips don't need all that much power :P

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 5:21 PM

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True it isn’t relevant after about 140$ unless you just want the best.

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:21 PM

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interesting, PG velocity has fan headers with higher rated current

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other than that and 2.5gbe instead of 1gbe, they're about the same.

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and better (?) sound chip

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but sound chips are too confusing tbh

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I'm gonna leave them be as long as it's a 1200/1220

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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That Velocita has peaked my interest for a while. If I could get past the empty rear IO I’d consider it best at price point.

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:24 PM

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eh

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top x570-plus, bottom velocita

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 5:25 PM

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What peaks my interest in the Velocita is post code and type c front header.

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:25 PM

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tbh I kinda hate the 3.1 header being different I just ignore those

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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You could use it as a overclocking board, few boards give you post code at this price range.

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Like pcpp tells me "4000d front io has usb 3.1"? I don't care, throw it away.

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Post code yea that's true

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Steel legend is interesting. But 4 layer pcb turns me off

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Lowest MSRP boards with post codes are B550 Extreme4, Velocita, Steel legend

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interesting

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ASRock does like their post codes eh

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Ya but they make huge trade offs. They use the feature to sell boards.

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 5:31 PM

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mhm

naive pendant Oct 18, 2020, 6:25 PM

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How future proof is the r5 3600 right now? I’m going to be doing a build featuring that and a 3070 if I can manage to get my hands on one. I just want to know if I’ll have to worry about upgrading within the next few years if I get the 3600.

neat estuary Oct 18, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Tests have showen the 3600 handles the 3080 fine.. As for future stuff who knows

stoic meadow Oct 18, 2020, 7:26 PM

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What’s the difference between an X570 and B550?

gritty meadow Oct 18, 2020, 8:11 PM

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long story short. nothing the regular consumer needs to worry about

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pci-e lanes and IO differences is the more complex answer

stoic meadow Oct 18, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Okay so if I wanted to get a motherboard for a Ryzen 5000 series and 3080 what should I get?

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 8:14 PM

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budget?

stoic meadow Oct 18, 2020, 8:21 PM

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$1800-2000

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 8:21 PM

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What uses and requirements?

stoic meadow Oct 18, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Gaming, Streaming, editing and programming

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 8:24 PM

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@stoic meadow a bit more specifically, how many usb devices, and what kinds, do you use? Do you need anything above 1gb Ethernet? Do you need wifi? Do you need a specifically amount of SATA drives or PCIe slots?

stoic meadow Oct 18, 2020, 8:30 PM

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I’m new to Streaming so I have no idea how to do it yet. I’m using an Ethernet cable but it’s 150 Mb/s. I only need 1 PCIe slot or 2. If SATA drives are the internal mounted storage then I would only need 1 or 2.

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Also I’m using my old RAM which is 3200 and 16Gbs

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 8:31 PM

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So basically, any motherboard that fit will work for you.

stoic meadow Oct 18, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Yeah I just don’t know too much on how the motherboard effects the computer

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Which is why I wanted an expert’s perspective

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 8:33 PM

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heh, I ain't no expert, but I'll start off by giving you a cheap board that's good that you can fall back on. B550m pro4:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089VY5WVM

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Dual M.2, decent sound chip, all the things that comes with a B550 board, 95$.

stoic meadow Oct 18, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Okay thank you very much

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 9:02 PM

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@stoic meadow by the way, I won't by any means condemn getting a more expensive board with better features, but that's just an example of the cheapest decent thing that fits your bill :)

stoic meadow Oct 18, 2020, 9:04 PM

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So one more question

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What does a bigger board do for someone exactly, is it just more PCIe slots and SATA slots, or is it more than that?

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@hollow thorn

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Basically just that

stoic meadow Oct 18, 2020, 9:14 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-AB350N-Gaming-WIFI-Fusion-Motherboard/dp/B073PWKSP6

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@hollow thorn this is the board I have now, so should I basically just upgrade

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 9:15 PM

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damn, B350, yea.

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B350 isn't getting zen 3 support

clear plaza Oct 18, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Hi guy I'm trying to build a pc, ya think I should wait for the next gen of intel or get a 10th gen processor?

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Guys*

stoic meadow Oct 18, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Once I’m able to get a list together, will you check it for me? @hollow thorn

clear plaza Oct 18, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I'm planning on putting it together with the rtx 3070 that's coming up

cunning oasis Oct 18, 2020, 9:54 PM

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gigabyte seems to be sold out of Gigabyte Gc-usb 3.2 Gen2x2 USB Type-C 20Gb/s... anyone know another good realiable card?

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well, not gigabyte, but all the retailers

hollow thorn Oct 18, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Sure

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Something like this maybe? I believe this is what you're looking for? @cunning oasis
https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-model-rc-509-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815166039

naive pendant Oct 19, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Do you guys think the 5900x will run really hot like the 10900k? Or more like the 3900x in terms of thermals

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 6:14 AM

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No amd outputs less heat than intel jm oretty sure

stone python Oct 19, 2020, 6:40 AM

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9700k for $200?

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Is that ok?

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Brand new

deep vigil Oct 19, 2020, 6:48 AM

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wait @clear plaza

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@stone python Pretty good

buoyant relic Oct 19, 2020, 7:17 AM

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If the 24 pin on power supply works but doesn't in in the mobo, is the mobo screwed?

deep vigil Oct 19, 2020, 7:28 AM

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???

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Are you using a psh tester?

buoyant relic Oct 19, 2020, 7:35 AM

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I jumped it with a paperclip in power supply and everything works but as soon as I put it in the mobo nothing happens when push the power button

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 12:08 PM

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@buoyant relic check how you plugged front panel io in :)

neat glacier Oct 19, 2020, 12:29 PM

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@stone python WHERE U GETTING 9700K BRAND NEW FOR 200

buoyant relic Oct 19, 2020, 12:30 PM

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@hollow thorn I did, looked in the manual ,online manual (just in case something changed), and checked if people had the same problem

quaint current Oct 19, 2020, 1:57 PM

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@neat glacier microcenter had it at 200 idk if its still the same price

neat glacier Oct 19, 2020, 1:57 PM

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wa

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mewants

dark flame Oct 19, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Ugh, had a buddy help me build my pc a while back. I’d never built one before, he had, but it had been a while. Now I’ve got it taken back apart because a few things:

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A.) he put the AIO in upside down,so the part that goes over the cpu was upside down and janky looking

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B.) the rgb did not work

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C.) bad cable management

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and now, I’m more than likely just as lost as he was, lmao

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Though I fixed the AIO and have sorted the cable management to some extent, I don’t fully understand the RGB standpoint on the 220t case

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As far as this goes, I mean

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Should’ve just gotten all Corsair stuff but didn’t like a dummy

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guess I should’ve posted this in #building-and-recc-chat woops

main pulsar Oct 19, 2020, 3:19 PM

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so thats a corsair controller, with proprietary fan connectors

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the two cables at the bottom of it handle power and lighting effects

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so you have 3 fans plugged into it, right?

dark flame Oct 19, 2020, 3:21 PM

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At the moment, the 3 fans at the front are plugged in, yes. I’ve also got 2 fans on top and then the aio on the rear

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Was taking it apart to replace psu & 3080 coming in later today

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main pulsar Oct 19, 2020, 3:36 PM

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so the top fans and rear fans just plug into the motherboard headers, right?

dark flame Oct 19, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Yes they do

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 4:48 PM

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@dark flame that install is making me nervous just looking at it

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that part specifically

dark flame Oct 19, 2020, 4:49 PM

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yeah, that is there as it was sent

naive pendant Oct 19, 2020, 4:56 PM

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How long does a replacement take anyways

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 4:56 PM

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for what?

naive pendant Oct 19, 2020, 4:56 PM

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I sent in my motherboard in on uhh

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Lemme check

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 4:57 PM

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that is between you and the vendor/manufacturer

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it normally tells you on their FAQ page for the RMA process

naive pendant Oct 19, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Yes but I'm asking how long it typically takes

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Alright

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 4:57 PM

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any answer you get is just a guess

naive pendant Oct 19, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I assumed 2 weeks

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 4:57 PM

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which does not help you

naive pendant Oct 19, 2020, 4:58 PM

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little impatient because of school

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but yeah lemme check

magic cedar Oct 19, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Hey @hollow thorn can u explain the benefits of x570 vs b550

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Briefly is fine

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Hai there

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Only chipset differences?

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Literally just X570 had chipset pcie 4.0 lanes, B550 only has CPU pcie 4.0 lanes, the chipset lanes are 3.0. @magic cedar

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That's basically the only real chipset difference

magic cedar Oct 19, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Mm ok thx so i dont rly need x570 right

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Cuz i was thinking of getting the rog strix b550-f wifi over the tuf x570-plus wifi

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Because it has wifi 6 and bios flashback

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So I think b550 is good enough for me

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:26 PM

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It just seem expensive to me :p

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 7:26 PM

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b550 is overkill for just about all consumers, but since that is the budget option, that is what we recommend

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(because IO is utterly trash on lower end chipsets)

magic cedar Oct 19, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Mm k

reef imp Oct 19, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Hello guys, so i have mobo msi b450 tomahawk max with 2x8 gskill trident z rgb 3200mhz (xmp on).
I have plan to upgrade, to corsair pro rgb 4x16 3600mhz. Is it still good and can work with my mobo?
My cpu is ryzen 3700x

quaint current Oct 19, 2020, 7:30 PM

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should be fine yeah

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Wait

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4x16gb 3600mhz?

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Check if MSI lists dr 2dpc max rated speeds

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Can intel cpus support pcie gen 4

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Because dual rank 4 sticks is going to be interesting

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@dusky pagoda right now none of their desktop chips can

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:32 PM

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then wouldnt performance of 3080 be worse

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Cuz 3080 uses pcie 4

reef imp Oct 19, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Check if MSI lists dr 2dpc max rated speeds
@hollow thorn so msi mobo only handle 2 slot ram?

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:32 PM

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No no no

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Motherboards support lower max freq the more ram you slap in there

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:32 PM

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yes

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less ram = better

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:33 PM

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So 4 sticks of single rank ram is going to have lower max frequency than 2 sticks of single rank ram

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Wait so single stick has better performance

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:33 PM

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You're looking for 4 sticks of dual rank ram

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@dusky pagoda no, dual channel good.

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Ok

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:34 PM

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The straight up "max frequency" is usually just max they can do on one stick :p

reef imp Oct 19, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Im still new in building pc lol. So i dont uderstand much, especially ram and mobo things

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Is okay

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I'll go check if they list it

reef imp Oct 19, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Any simple understanding for me?
I dont even kno lower max frequency is, im sorry

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I want to buy 4 slot ram for aesthetic purpose actually lol

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:35 PM

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As in, see this thing?

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To start off

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Can u oc ram

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:36 PM

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that's likely the highest frequency ram they support with a single stick

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:36 PM

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From 3600 to 4000

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:36 PM

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the more ram you slap in there, the lower the frequency they support

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@dusky pagoda it's like everything else

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OCing is your own risk to take

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:36 PM

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U can right

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What are the risks with ram

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Technically you can, but most likely you can't unless you bought either b die or e die

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Also is 16-19-19-39 good ram timing

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:38 PM

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that's good enough for non-OCing

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Can i customize ram timing so its good

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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That's OCing lel

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Yea ik

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what are the risks tho

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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for example, I can't get my 16-19-19-39 tighter than 16-16-20-36 or so

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It just won't boot

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or instability

reef imp Oct 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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the more ram you slap in there, the lower the frequency they support
@hollow thorn so the conclusion is, 2 slot ram is work better right?

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:40 PM

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whats the best ram timing for 32gb 3600

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:40 PM

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@dusky pagoda ram OC is a lot less "you can just set it up really high", it's a lot more "Oh if I set it too high it just dies"

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@reef imp sorry I got off track, kind of.

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Or is every ram different

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:40 PM

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It's like everything else smh

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silicon lottery

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what'd you expect

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Is it always like that

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Even for gpu

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Yes

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@reef imp anyways, MSI wasn't nice enough to list SR/DR 1dpc/2dpc max supported, but I'll look at their QVL and draw some conclusions, and show you some examples :)

reef imp Oct 19, 2020, 7:42 PM

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@reef imp anyways, MSI wasn't nice enough to list SR/DR 1dpc/2dpc max supported, but I'll look at their QVL and draw some conclusions, and show you some examples :)
@hollow thorn ok mate, thanks a lot. Im so confuse about this stuff lol. Like i have to choose aesthetic or performance

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:42 PM

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To start off, all the highest frequency rated ram are Single sided (Also known as Single Rank), and only rated for 2 dimms (In this case, also 1DPC, 1 dimm-per-channel)

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Usually, 8gb and below sticks are single rank, and 16gb and above sticks are dual rank

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And now finding the relevant section, sadly, it's one of those "depends on your ram" cases

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as you can see here, some are, some aren't.

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@reef imp so the safest bet in your case, would be grabbing 2x16gb sticks of 3600mhz ram.

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Here's the link to the page with the QVL if you wanted to look for yourself.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX#support-mem-19

Support For B450 TOMAHAWK MAX | Motherboard - The world leader in m...

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Oh and also checking if the ram sticks you're buying is on the QVL, and how many sticks it's rated for

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but a lot of things usually aren't on the QVL

reef imp Oct 19, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Ohh i see. So 2x16gb 3600mhz will give best performance and better than 4x3600mhz right?
And where i should put in the ram slot? Slot 2 and 4?

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Are you familiar with how dual channel works?

reef imp Oct 19, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Nope. I only see on youtube which ram to buy and how to use it lol

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If its work im fine with it lol

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Alright, quick explanation is CPU is connect to ram via channels, consumer chips are dual channel, so there's 2 channels that connect CPU with ram.

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each channel has it's own bandwidth

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so if you can use both channels, you can use both bandwidth, which leads to faster ram

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(Simplified, might be a bit rough around the edges for the explanation)

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But if you think about bandwidth per channel

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You can also use that logic to look at why max frequency might go down if you slap more ram in there.

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Next, 2x16gb 3600mhz would perform the same as 4x16gb 3600mhz
IF THEY'RE BOTH SUPPORTED TO BE RUNNING AT THE SAME SPEEDS

reef imp Oct 19, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Alright much understand now. But how to set 2x16gb 3600mhz running at the same speeds? Only use xmp or need manual setting?

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 8:03 PM

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xmp

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xmp works 95% of the time

reef imp Oct 19, 2020, 8:06 PM

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xmp works 95% of the time
@hollow thorn ok got it. Thanks for all the explanations, i really appreciate it mate. Thanks a lot. Much clear now. I will grab 2x16 3600mhz now

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 8:06 PM

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:)

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Mr111 is there silicon lottery for gpus too

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Yes

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It's all silicon

dusky pagoda Oct 19, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Broken

pulsar hill Oct 19, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Where are all the Ryzen 3 3300X's at? I can't find em

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Amazon ain't got em, and neither does newegg

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I was about to just get a 3 3100 but I heard the 3300x is better for barely any more money

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 8:37 PM

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@pulsar hill they go poof

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they have been poof

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they've been out of stock for the last like 4 months

pulsar hill Oct 19, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Wow huh. That's crazy

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What do you recommend I get instead?

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Cause I wanna keep the CPU and mobo combo under 200$, (and I'm probably getting the cheapest mini board I can get)

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I'm switching from intel to AMD

crisp rapids Oct 19, 2020, 9:21 PM

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I'm switching from intel to AMD
@pulsar hill ah.. a man of good taste.

pulsar hill Oct 19, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Maybe good taste. But I don't know what's good for me

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I'm upgrading from an i3-7100. 2 cores, 4 threads, 3.9 GHz.

So of course I want something that's either faster or the same clock speed, and double the cores/threads.

I don't care if it has graphics built in or not cause I've got a 1060 6GB in my current rig

upbeat lichen Oct 19, 2020, 9:24 PM

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If you need to build something now, and you want something solid, I'd go r3 3100 w/cheap B550 board and that will set you up to get into ryzen 5000 series later on once they expand the lineup

pulsar hill Oct 19, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Will I have to worry about upgrading the board's bios for the 3 3100?

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I've heard that's a problem sometimes

upbeat lichen Oct 19, 2020, 9:24 PM

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not on a B550

pulsar hill Oct 19, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Aight bet

upbeat lichen Oct 19, 2020, 9:25 PM

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it was a problem with B450 when ryzen 3000 first came out

pulsar hill Oct 19, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Just realised the b550 is way above my budget

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I'm stupid nvm

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I realised that's a standard and not a specific board

upbeat lichen Oct 19, 2020, 9:26 PM

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micro center has the 3100 for $109, and you can get a B550 itx board for about $130, so it's a little over your $200 budget

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but not too far

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if you're willing to go micro atx rather than all the way to mini itx, you can get a B550 board for 90-100

pulsar hill Oct 19, 2020, 9:28 PM

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The gigabyte DS3H seems nice?

neat estuary Oct 19, 2020, 9:28 PM

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AMD chipset update. New power management. I haven’t checked it out yet. Just read a article.

upbeat lichen Oct 19, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Yeah, the gigabyte boards are solid, not a ton of extra features like wifi, etc, but if you don't need it, then you're good to go

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and the micro center price for the 3100 is for in-store pickup only, so if you're not near one, newegg has them for $10 more, at $119

pulsar hill Oct 19, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Yeah I don't care too much about extra features. Only one I care about is Bluetooth, but I can get that in a PCIE card later

fiery trail Oct 19, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Do u think the 5600x will be better than the 3700x

neat glacier Oct 19, 2020, 9:35 PM

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@fiery trail it is.

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well, at least according to amd

pulsar hill Oct 19, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Let's say I wanted to be stupid and shove a gtx 1060 and a quadro 4000 on the same board. What it do

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Wait this isn't the right chat for that

opaque hinge Oct 19, 2020, 9:45 PM

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3200mhz cl12 or 4000mhz cl19

neat estuary Oct 19, 2020, 10:03 PM

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3700 is a 8 core 16 thread cpu. 5600 will be a 6 core 12 thread. 3700 will remain better for productivity due to core count. But the 5600 will surely beat it all day long in gaming application due to single core IPC uplift

quaint current Oct 19, 2020, 10:06 PM

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eh look at 3600 vs 2700x in multicore, theyre usually very close

neat estuary Oct 19, 2020, 10:07 PM

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idk i guess. add up that 15% x 6 .. it might be close enough to say the 5600 is the better choice

wind field Oct 19, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Any one know what ram this need ddr3 or ddr4?

neat estuary Oct 19, 2020, 10:16 PM

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what is this

wind field Oct 19, 2020, 10:17 PM

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It's sending

neat estuary Oct 19, 2020, 10:18 PM

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ddr3 1800 (OC max)

wind field Oct 19, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Wow ok I had some ddr3 ram but inj could not get it to go in what about this one?

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📎 20201018_235625.jpg

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And sorry for the bad pic I was in a hurry when I took them

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 10:20 PM

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ddr3 too

wind field Oct 19, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Ok thanks

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 10:21 PM

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np

wind field Oct 19, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Does anyone know what a mb code 7f is for this bored

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 10:23 PM

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which one of them?

wind field Oct 19, 2020, 10:24 PM

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📎 20201019_182314.jpg

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 10:24 PM

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@wind field manual :)

wind field Oct 19, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Don't have one

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 10:25 PM

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the manufacturer has one on their website

wind field Oct 19, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Ok

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All of these where given to me so I don't have a manual

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 10:25 PM

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manufacturers website

wind field Oct 19, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Ok thanks

teal iron Oct 19, 2020, 10:39 PM

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hey guys i need some help

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what nvme works on rog strix b550-f gaming

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also i am a major gamer

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Any

teal iron Oct 19, 2020, 10:40 PM

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then what would be a good one for a gamer then

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Major gamer doesn't change anything tbh

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Mp34 512gb/1tb

teal iron Oct 19, 2020, 10:40 PM

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should i get a crucial or samsung?

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Sx8200 pro 512gb/1tb

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Sn750 512gb/1tb

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What about neither of crucial or samsung :p

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One doesn't have mid end drives and the other overpriced

teal iron Oct 19, 2020, 10:41 PM

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ah

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what about Kingston 1TB A2000 M.2 2280 Nvme Internal

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Breh I don't want to look em up xd

teal iron Oct 19, 2020, 10:42 PM

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lol

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 10:42 PM

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It's a slower one

teal iron Oct 19, 2020, 10:42 PM

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my board can take 2 nvme should i buy two or just one?

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 10:42 PM

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The ones I've listed are 3000+mbps read :p

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One that's big enough to start off

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512gb or 1tb depends on how much you see yourself putting on it

teal iron Oct 19, 2020, 10:43 PM

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kk thnx

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the sn750 for the 1tb wowzer on the price

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 10:48 PM

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It was on sale for 125$ earlier

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Sx8200 pro 1tb is 135$ last I checked

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Mp34 1tb be 117$ last I checked

teal iron Oct 19, 2020, 10:50 PM

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yeah the mp34 i am reading has a lot of issues

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 11:11 PM

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@teal iron where

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Gimme

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I want to see

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No one that has it had complaint to me yet

teal iron Oct 19, 2020, 11:17 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-MP34-512GB-Solid-TM8FP4512G0C101/dp/B07PHMJR4Y?th=1

fallen lynx Oct 19, 2020, 11:22 PM

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is that one of the sabrent clones with the Phison controller?

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Don't do the used one @teal iron

fallen lynx Oct 19, 2020, 11:23 PM

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E12 probably if its gen3

hollow thorn Oct 19, 2020, 11:23 PM

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I know it's e12, I wouldn't call it a sabrent clone tho

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@teal iron that's just random amazon reviews being crazy

gritty meadow Oct 19, 2020, 11:34 PM

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@teal iron please remember that amazon reviewers dont tell you IF they are the ones that set themselves on fire, but they will tell you that it hurt a lot

naive pendant Oct 19, 2020, 11:58 PM

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Is it better to go with intel or amd to pair with the 3080? Mainly heavy gaming with max settings at 1440p and light video editing

surreal iris Oct 19, 2020, 11:58 PM

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æ

vale oracle Oct 20, 2020, 1:02 AM

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@hollow thorn Just a quick question since i was bugging you the other day, the Gigabyte B550M DS3H just dropped in price and is similar to the Asus Prime B550M-K, would you reccomend one over the other? You did say none of the B550 models has any issues so far, I just wanted to know

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 1:04 AM

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its fine

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just check the IO has what you want/need

vale oracle Oct 20, 2020, 1:04 AM

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ah sweet, thanks Naed

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 1:04 AM

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np :)

autumn haven Oct 20, 2020, 1:08 AM

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would anyone happen to know if corsairs (4x8) 32gb 3600mhz ram will be compatible with a b450 tomahawk ?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 1:10 AM

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it will work iirc

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but check their memory support listing @autumn haven

autumn haven Oct 20, 2020, 1:20 AM

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all i’m getting is a black screen

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@gritty meadow

dusky pagoda Oct 20, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Then it doesnt work :P

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 1:25 AM

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check that the ram works in pairs first

autumn haven Oct 20, 2020, 1:28 AM

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i did that too and when i just switched back to my old ram i’m still getting a black screen

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 1:29 AM

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reset bios and see what happens with your old ram installed.

pulsar hill Oct 20, 2020, 1:50 AM

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Just found out that the 450 series boards will support future 5000 series processors. So... Are there any reasons I should buy a 550 board if I'm buying a Ryzen 3 3100?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 1:54 AM

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IO and pci-e 4.0 support

pulsar hill Oct 20, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Tbf, I'm probably not gonna be taking advantage of PCIE 4.0 for awhile. I'm still running a gtx 1060

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And as for IO, I'm not all that sure I'm missing out on much? As long as I got 4 usb 3 ports and 2 usb 2, and ethernet, I'm vibin

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 2:02 AM

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personally, i would find it a bit odd to not grab a b550 board, because their price is low enough imo

pulsar hill Oct 20, 2020, 2:04 AM

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I mean, Im rolling off of a minimum wage part time job. Tryna get things as cheap as possible but still being future proof

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 2:39 AM

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I have question

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with the new zen3

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its said to use cache much better than :zen2:

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thinking about getting a ryzen 9 3900x or whatever the 8 core version of the new ryzen is

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which one should I get? ThinkingEgg

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essentially: 4 more cores or better cache usage

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im leaning towards the ryzen 9 3900x personally

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(because of budget those is the options)

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 2:45 AM

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wait for reviews is the sane/logical answer

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 2:45 AM

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that is fair

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my question for zen 3 is: how much better cache usage? amd says a lot better

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like how much of a difference it makes

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im just afraid of the supply and demand that'll happen

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 2:50 AM

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again, we wont know until we have the reviews and/or the whitepaper

tranquil wolf Oct 20, 2020, 2:51 AM

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keep in mind, reviewers are saying that the 30 series of GPUs are not taking full advantage of PCIe 4.0 so other than M.2 that do is there really a reason to have to go w/ a B550 or other PCIe 4.0 board?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 2:53 AM

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@tranquil wolf consider this: What is the main thing that makes the consoles stand out from the pc ?

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 2:53 AM

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$

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 2:53 AM

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(the up coming consoles that is)

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@blissful dragon talking about tech here :)

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 2:53 AM

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oh

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hmmmm

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gpu

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 2:54 AM

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there is a specific set of features that i am fishing for here :)

tranquil wolf Oct 20, 2020, 2:54 AM

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well I plan to go from my i5 9600K/MSI Z390 board to a B550 and Zen3 next spring for sure, i am just asking as like Devil's advocate lol

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 2:55 AM

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aye aye, and i am taking the moment to talk about something that i personally think people are misjudging the importance of :)

tranquil wolf Oct 20, 2020, 2:56 AM

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i don't play console so i really dunno

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Direct IO

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long/complex story quickly is this:

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super fast storage system paired with special hardware ON the gpu to help load game textures silly silly silly fast

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will it work on pci-e 3.0? most likely yes. Would you potentially wish you had pci-e 4.0 at that point?

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yes

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:)

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 2:59 AM

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im just gonna upgrade to the asus x570-Pro Prime :)

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3 pcie 4.0 and 3 pcie x1 at 4.0

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AND

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2 m.2 4.0

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perfect little board to last for some years

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watch pcie 5.0 come out a month after zen 3 chips

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be like

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3.5x fAsTeR tHaN PCIE 4.0!1!

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:07 AM

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gonna be a while for it

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it will arrive with DDR5 most likely

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:07 AM

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oh wait

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thats a possible thing

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:07 AM

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as in. it is "done" as a standard :)

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:08 AM

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funny thing about that

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ddr5 is useless atm

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:08 AM

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ofc it is.

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:08 AM

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since ddr4 can support over 5000MHz

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:08 AM

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not the point of DDR5

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:09 AM

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latency?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:09 AM

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the "tail end" of a previous spec has always been faster than the first chips from the next gen

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:10 AM

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this is true

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:10 AM

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the following might be a bit technical

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:10 AM

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ok

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Column sizes has gone up

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and changes to the group banks allows both more groups and banks

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which equals into ram sticks with more ram chips stacked

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which all leads to a heck of a lot more bandwidth

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iirc, they are aiming for a doubling

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/15912/ddr5-specification-released-setting-the-stage-for-ddr56400-and-beyond <- here is a article that talks about it :)

DDR5 Memory Specification Released: Setting the Stage for DDR5-6400...

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:13 AM

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so in stupid people talk

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what that mean

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:13 AM

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much much faster ram

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as in, double the speed kind of faster :)

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also, capacity will go way up

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:14 AM

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dang dude lmao

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and latency? 👀

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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right now, we are limited by ddr4 sticks (consumer variants) being 32 gigs max

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ddr5 is aiming for 128 gigs on the consumer side

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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dont you mean 64?

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oh consumer

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yes the common folk

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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jedec specs for consumer stuff :)

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latency, i have not looked into that much yet

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but i know people that would have wet dreams for years IF they could get memory at that capacity "now"

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consider this

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lets say you have 2*64 sticks

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thats a lot of capacity that could be used for holding files in

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

#

it is

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but you also need a cpu that could support that

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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aye aye

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

#

likely something like zen 4

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

#

remember, we are years out from this still

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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or some 15th gen intel cpu

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

#

yes, we will most likely get ddr5 support with zen4 (at least on the server side)

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the question is how fast the ramp on the consumer side will be

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stuff like what i talked about earlier (Direct IO) will potentially be part of what convinces people that they want "faster" stuff

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because a LOT of people are going to be perfectly happy with zen2/intel 10th gen chips for years to come

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I would say that server sales would be high, but not normal consumers

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:20 AM

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maybe/maybe not

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:20 AM

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well the only problem with zen2 is supposedly cache usage

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das all

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:20 AM

#

again, its too far out for me to speculate about it here :)

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:20 AM

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true

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:20 AM

#

zen2 has multiple fronts that could be fixed

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as can be seen by what they changed for zen3

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but there is no "perfect" way

#

its all a tradeoff

#

its just a question of the tradeoff being right/wrong :)

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:21 AM

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yuppers

#

in all fairness

#

im perfectly happy with 12 cores, 4.7ish GHz turbo, and proficient cache usage

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:22 AM

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:)

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:22 AM

#

imo I think 8 cores is uh

#

gonna be on its way out in the next couple years

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:23 AM

#

considering that 8 core is the new "low end" of consoles in a couple of weeks ...

#

i would tend to agree with that statement :)

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:25 AM

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12 cores 24 threads should be good for awhile

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atleast for the rest of my college career

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:25 AM

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:)

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:25 AM

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you dont think so?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:27 AM

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you know just enough to go "oh shiny!"

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so i am smiling at the blue eyed innocence i can see in you :)

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:28 AM

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jokes on you

#

my eyes are green and blue

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central heterochromia :)

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:28 AM

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aint going to help you when you go "oh shiny!"

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and start saving up for that 16core or beyond cpu :)

blissful dragon Oct 20, 2020, 3:29 AM

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moneyz

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$440 to $800 is a big jump

#

I must slumber for college tomorrow

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@gritty meadow goodnight

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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likewise :)

burnt notch Oct 20, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Is the b550 aorus master a good mobo?

main pulsar Oct 20, 2020, 12:38 PM

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yes

grim hornet Oct 20, 2020, 1:36 PM

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What would be better 32gb ram 3200mhz or 16gb ram 3600mhz ?

hollow thorn Oct 20, 2020, 1:36 PM

#

for doing what

grim hornet Oct 20, 2020, 1:36 PM

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editing, streaming, gaming

hollow thorn Oct 20, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Like most things, that ain't as simple as "one is better than the other"

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Why not 2x16gb of 3600mhz cl16 ram?

grim hornet Oct 20, 2020, 1:37 PM

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what does the cl16 mean ?

copper solar Oct 20, 2020, 1:37 PM

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cas latency

hollow thorn Oct 20, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Cas-Latency 16

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hi theo

grim hornet Oct 20, 2020, 1:37 PM

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oh okay

copper solar Oct 20, 2020, 1:39 PM

#

anything 10 or lower in the graph is good, top is speed, left is cas/cl speed

📎 36jo50kjf9a31.png

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this graph maps out "true latency"

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the higher the speed and lower the cas, the more expensive it generally gets

hollow thorn Oct 20, 2020, 1:40 PM

#

eh

#

effective first word read latency

copper solar Oct 20, 2020, 1:40 PM

#

yeah

#

TohruWeary

hollow thorn Oct 20, 2020, 1:40 PM

#

TohruSmug

dark flame Oct 20, 2020, 3:02 PM

#

So, I believe my 3200 ddr4 ram is 16,18,18,36, is that bad?

midnight pollen Oct 20, 2020, 3:03 PM

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It’s fine

charred venture Oct 20, 2020, 3:20 PM

#

5600mhz CL7

#

yes

trail quarry Oct 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

#

how close of a substitute is the 3700x to the 5600x thats coming up

fallen lynx Oct 20, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Wait for benchmarks

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That is going to be the most interesting comparison because of the equal prices

warped scroll Oct 20, 2020, 6:28 PM

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i have 2133MHz CL24 its red and i think red means good

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

#

I bought another stick of the same ram I have now, put it in and when I power my computer on it’s stuck in this loop off on off on off

#

Someone said hard reset mobo but im@not sure how to do that

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 6:57 PM

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I reseated it about four times, held power button and got to Home Screen

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But it only sees 8 gb

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 6:59 PM

#

@mint pike which mainboard do you have?

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:00 PM

#

Z97n wifi

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:00 PM

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2sec

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:00 PM

#

I74790

#

And gtx 1660super

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:00 PM

#

just to verify: Itx board?

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Mini itx

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2 ram slots

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:01 PM

#

itx = mini itx

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:01 PM

#

Ohh ok

#

📎 image0.jpg

#

So yes

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:03 PM

#

i hope you have good clearance in your case, because the clear cmos (bios) jumper is in a VERY silly place

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:03 PM

#

What do I need to do this?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:03 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

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that is from the manual (page 29)

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:04 PM

#

Ok

#

Thank you

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:04 PM

#

basically, it goes like this

#

power off the system, pull the cord too.

#

place something that connects the 2 pins for 10 seconds (people generally count faster than they think)

#

and then remove what is connecting the 2 pins

#

power on the system again

#

and you are very welcome :)

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:06 PM

#

Will there be a spark or anything I should be aware of?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:06 PM

#

no

#

if there is a spark, you did something very very wrong

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

#

Ok

#

A flat head metal screwdriver works?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

#

aye

#

especially in that position on the board

#

its a pita to reach potentially

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

#

📎 image0.jpg

#

📎 image0.jpg

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I’m assuming it’s those 2 that have clear cmos next to it

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:09 PM

#

aye

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:09 PM

#

Alright gonna give it a shot

#

Optimized defaults?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:11 PM

#

aye

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Still only reading 8

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

#

okay

#

you have 2 total sticks available to test with right?

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

#

Correct

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:13 PM

#

Pull out both sticks

pick one of the sticks

#

then place that stick in the first slot

#

see if it works.

zealous nimbus Oct 20, 2020, 7:13 PM

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does this board support 3rd gen/matisse? https://www.newegg.ca/asrock-b450m-pro4-f/p/N82E16813157870?Item=N82E16813157870 found some conflicting info

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:14 PM

#

then in the second slot. see if that specific stick works there.

#

@zealous nimbus https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M Pro4-F/#CPU

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:14 PM

#

Ok gonna do that now

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:14 PM

#

and then repeat that for the other stick @mint pike :)

#

best of luck :)

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:15 PM

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And if one doesn’t work it’s a dead stick?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:15 PM

#

or a dead slot

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@zealous nimbus you are not level 3 yet, so the bot will eat non-newegg links

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you can dm me the link if you want?

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:21 PM

#

@gritty meadow nothing worked

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Both sticks solo in both slots

#

Didn’t boot once

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:22 PM

#

well darn it

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:22 PM

#

Gimme the bad news

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:22 PM

#

system worked before you started all of this?

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:22 PM

#

Perfectly fine

#

Did I need to take the ram out resetting the coma?

#

Cmos*

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:24 PM

#

nope

#

check every single connector

#

you might have bumped "something"

#

(and yes, this is a long shot, but it is imo worth the effort)

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:26 PM

#

Nothin

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:28 PM

#

hm..

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:32 PM

#

Should I do the cmos again

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:32 PM

#

not yet

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Cause when it did boot, it also displays 1/4 slots in task manager

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:33 PM

#

please verify that you can at least boot with both sticks in?

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:33 PM

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It goes back into the boot loop

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:33 PM

#

no matter which stick is placed where?

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:33 PM

#

Correct

#

I’ll try a few more things

#

1 more combo I haven’t done

#

And earlier it started working just randomly after I held power button for a while

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:34 PM

#

on the surface of it. it "sounds" like the board is "just" very very confused

#

but, that is generally fixed by clearing the CMOS

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:34 PM

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So my mobo is f’ed

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:35 PM

#

you DID pull the powerplug on the outside of the case right ?

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:35 PM

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While doing cmos, yes

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:35 PM

#

hmm

#

try the combo you mentioned.

#

i am going to check your manual again

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Combo didn’t work

#

This happened before when I tried putting my old PCs ram into my new one

#

I can’t remember how it worked but I just reseated it a few times and it would boot

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:40 PM

#

things to note:

#

your particular mainboard is dual bios.

#

meaning, the likely hood of the bios being effed is very very slim

#

(dual bios = when something causes it to not boot on one, it will default to the other one)

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:41 PM

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I will say after cmos it went to gigabyte bios

#

📎 image0.jpg

#

Not whatever this one is^

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:41 PM

#

aye

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:41 PM

#

So the ram stick is dead?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:41 PM

#

that is the bios

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:41 PM

#

Most likely dead*

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:42 PM

#

well, as you can see in that screenshot. there is a stick of ram in the B slot

#

meaning, that particular ram stick DOES work

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:42 PM

#

So test both only in b slot?

#

But it still doesn’t boot it goes back to boot loop cause that’s what I just did

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:43 PM

#

how long have you let it loop?

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I’ll let it do it for 30 seconds

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:44 PM

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try and let it go for a couple of minutes

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Ok

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Nothing yet I’ll let it go 1 more minute

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

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just to verify: the only thing you originally tried to do was upgrade the ram?

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Yes

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Everything has stayed the same since I got it

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No new drive nothin

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:48 PM

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it just screams "loose connection somewhere"

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Power supply somewhere maybe?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:48 PM

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it could be anywhere really

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reason for saying that is this:

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You have mentioned that it has started "randomly"

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randomly does not fit with "dead ram"

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:49 PM

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I just don’t know because I always do something that lets it boot

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:49 PM

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aye

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you have stumbled upon one of the "fun" cases

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:51 PM

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I’ve never had this problem till now though

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When I tried installing it

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:51 PM

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aye

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as i said. one of the "fun" cases

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following is most likely NOT what you want to hear, but.... the easiest solution might just be to get a new board

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BUT

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if the cause is in some of your other parts?

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it aint going to help one bit

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Anything I can try like cmos one more time?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:54 PM

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anything is a viable suggestion really

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because currently we dont know what is causing it

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IF you do a CMOS clear

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while you are holding the screwdriver on the pins, try and push your power button (as if you wanted to turn on the machine) once.

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 7:56 PM

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What will this do?

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 7:56 PM

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normally nothing

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but again, anything is a viable suggestion

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long story short: sometimes it has worked.

mint pike Oct 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Ok

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Thank you so much dude

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I got to boot

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It’s there

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 8:05 PM

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:)

brave flint Oct 20, 2020, 8:24 PM

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I need a Mobo thats b450 or b550 ATX preferably and with wifi

hollow thorn Oct 20, 2020, 8:24 PM

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MSI B550m pro-vdh wifi

brave flint Oct 20, 2020, 8:25 PM

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can you link me

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 8:26 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi

MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard

hollow thorn Oct 20, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Ignore the review section with random weird people wielding pitchforks
https://www.newegg.com/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi/p/N82E16813144331

charred venture Oct 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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msi products ew

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ive had a msi board DOA

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and it sucked sending it back but it did work after so

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and that was a one time thing i guess

hollow thorn Oct 20, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Breh

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My MSI board be great

tranquil wolf Oct 20, 2020, 10:49 PM

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my 1st MSI board (Z390 Gaming Edge AC) had a bad RAM slot, sent it in, got it back, a diff RAM slot now buggy. The Z390M version of it works like a charm, no issues at all. Just got a bad board and the RMA did not help it so lol

charred venture Oct 20, 2020, 11:31 PM

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im doing my part by not recommending msi and not buying it:)

sonic orchid Oct 20, 2020, 11:45 PM

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I need help trying to figure out which ram to buy for my build im currently ordering parts for. asus rog strix x570-e mobo+amd ryzen 5900x (when its available for purchase) I have read that 4000mhz ddr4 memory is needed however I am not sure which 2x16 kit of trident z royal to buy or if they will be compatible

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I ordered what is listed on newegg as "G.SKILL Trident Z Royal Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 4000 (PC4 32000) Intel XMP 2.0 Desktop Memory Model F4-4000C17D-32GTRSB" however I want to be sure that the ram is compatible since there are different kits available

gritty meadow Oct 20, 2020, 11:56 PM

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above is being talked about in #building-and-recc-chat, so no need to answer it here too.

lone summit Oct 21, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Can i ask Newegg to update a bios before shipping ?

worn night Oct 21, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Lol probably not

lone summit Oct 21, 2020, 1:11 AM

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do they ship AMD boot kits ?

worn night Oct 21, 2020, 1:11 AM

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They'd probably be concerned with opening the box and potentially hurting the warrenty before it even gets to you even tho it'd probably be fine

gritty meadow Oct 21, 2020, 1:13 AM

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the boot kit is direct from AMD

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https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100

Unable to Boot New Desktop System Configured with AMD 3rd Generatio...

lone summit Oct 21, 2020, 1:13 AM

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hurting the warranty ? ... not a serious argument... ok, thanks Naed.

gritty meadow Oct 21, 2020, 1:14 AM

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re: warranty: He means, there is all kinds of "who potentially damaged the part" that comes into play if they open the box

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some retailers offer bios upgrade service. some dont.

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from what i know, newegg does not

lone summit Oct 21, 2020, 1:16 AM

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from AMD's website : Update from Retailer
If the motherboard was purchased through a computer parts retailer, check with the retailer to see if they can facilitate the BIOS update at their location. There may be a charge for this, or it may be offered at no cost.

If you have access to a processor supported on the current installed BIOS, use it to perform the BIOS update, then swap out the processors when the update process is complete.

gritty meadow Oct 21, 2020, 1:16 AM

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aye? and your question is what?

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because i dont see the problem/conflict between what i said above and what you posted ?

lone summit Oct 21, 2020, 1:21 AM

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reason is : they don't have any kind of Computer assembly or physical troubleshooting

gritty meadow Oct 21, 2020, 1:21 AM

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they do. but they dont offer it to the public as such

rigid condor Oct 21, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Should I wait for 11th Gen intel because they sound deadly at 5.5 ghz

gritty meadow Oct 21, 2020, 1:21 AM

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its their choice.

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@rigid condor https://www.anandtech.com/show/16148/amd-ryzen-5000-and-zen-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu/2

AMD Ryzen 5000 and Zen 3 on Nov 5th: +19% IPC, Claims Best Gaming CPU

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first two tables on that article

lone summit Oct 21, 2020, 1:22 AM

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i would've picked a 3900xt if 5900x wasn't out.

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4k gaming is already tailing the Intel counterparts

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5900x 4k gaming is probably exceeding it even easier.

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also 11th gen Intel is ... not about to be released yet... PCI gen 5 would be a better argument. because you'll do fine with either. .... a 10700k ans a 3700x are both able to get really good results anyway.

gritty meadow Oct 21, 2020, 1:27 AM

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you are mixing things up quite a lot :)

lone summit Oct 21, 2020, 1:38 AM

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based on tomshardware Ryzen 9 3900X vs. Core i9-9900K scaling,

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2,4% difference between them at 4k. ultra quality.

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because ... the role of CPU is not much compared to the GPU

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then, if a game process can use more L3 Cache, it will benefit more with the 5900X.

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but the clocking are very simillar and i expect the temperature to get higher due to the hogher intensivity on the cache

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presumably more efficient but slightly hotter while staying at the same size process... using the same board, same ram, ... i'm planning a watercooling on this one.

naive pendant Oct 21, 2020, 2:44 AM

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I got a question for buying PC parts and I know one would be easy to just get right then and there but

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Is it recommended to use microcenter or NewEgg/Amazon for PC parts

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I also know that 1 item has 1 price of 200 but the other is 180 on the website. But let's not include that at the moment

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Microcenter is near me, and I'm checking the FAQ if they build it for you.

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I'm stupid, I should of asked in build chat

worn night Oct 21, 2020, 3:00 AM

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I always envy people with microcenters close to them cuz there's legit none by me

dark flame Oct 21, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Yeah closest one to me is like 2-3 hrs

worn night Oct 21, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Tbh I think newegg usually has the best price on things compared to other retailers even Walmart be having their components and memory kinda pricey

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Amazon alittle better sometimes

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But when it comes to specificity of items you'll always notice newegg usually has the most reasonable sale prices unless it's certain motherboards walmart will have on sale

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Also y'all ever notice the third party sellers on alot of these sites suck and they jack the price up

naive pendant Oct 21, 2020, 3:30 AM

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True

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Amazon with prime is good too but I genuinely like Amazon simply because I've never had a package opened

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I've had my newegg package opened

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But they never touched anything though

devout mothBOT Oct 21, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Hattest#3375 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

peak sail Oct 21, 2020, 11:58 AM

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Hiddy Ho

dark flame Oct 21, 2020, 12:26 PM

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Ripperoni pepperoni

peak sail Oct 21, 2020, 12:30 PM

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I'm waiting on a new case to be delivered today from Newegg

worn night Oct 21, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Exciting stuff @peak sail what'd you order?

peak sail Oct 21, 2020, 4:18 PM

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0oh a Zalman S4 Mid Tower

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To seat a Asus Z97 Mark S Sabertooth Limited Edition

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with a Intel i7 4790K + a GTX 1650 OC vga that I'm replacing with a 1060 or 1660

night trench Oct 21, 2020, 4:23 PM

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nice

worn night Oct 21, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Very nice

faint ferry Oct 21, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Should I go for a 10700k or 10850k? For gaming and streaming.

rich moon Oct 21, 2020, 5:55 PM

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10700k

peak sail Oct 21, 2020, 5:57 PM

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the 10850k looks superior on paper

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more cores, threads, higher clock speeds, on a lower tdp

naive pendant Oct 21, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Alright so

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The PSU cords, I only have 1 that has the 2 squares and the other is just all 4 curved one

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Ones*

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I'm not sure what to do,

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Before I got it replaced it did work

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I'm guessing I get a new PSU (I was planning on getting a new one anyways)

gritty meadow Oct 21, 2020, 8:16 PM

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what you are holding is a 4+4 cable right?

naive pendant Oct 21, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Yes