#cpus-mobo-and-memory | Newegg | Page 101

warm path Mar 27, 2020, 12:10 AM

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I mean

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Won’t they take on account the TDP?

oak sand Mar 27, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Intels tdp is on stock clocks I believe

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So to be taken with grain of salt

warm path Mar 27, 2020, 12:11 AM

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No

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Base clock

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Like lowest

oak sand Mar 27, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Yeah sorry

warm path Mar 27, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Base clock speed

oak sand Mar 27, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Thats what I meant

warm path Mar 27, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Ok

oak sand Mar 27, 2020, 12:12 AM

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But not many people buy a top of the line(at the time) 4770K and expect the stock cooler to do fine

warm path Mar 27, 2020, 12:12 AM

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No wonder stock coolers are insufficient on k CPUs

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Oh

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Ok

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Well

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After market coolers do find right?

oak sand Mar 27, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Fine?

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Depends on the one

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But usually yes

hollow thorn Mar 27, 2020, 12:13 AM

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AMD stock coolers can be pretty nice, intel stock is trash

oak sand Mar 27, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Amd stock is great

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Compared to intel

hollow thorn Mar 27, 2020, 12:13 AM

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idk about previous generations but all ryzen ones are great

warm path Mar 27, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Yeah

gritty meadow Mar 27, 2020, 12:19 AM

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the short answer @warm path is this: its complicated.

warm path Mar 27, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Ok

warm path Mar 27, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Wouldn’t my Pc throttle to protect from overheating?

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@gritty meadow Is CPU throttling quit enough to protect from overheating?

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Quick*

gritty meadow Mar 27, 2020, 8:47 PM

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in your system, i would not trust it

long geyser Mar 27, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Actual CPU throttling (when CPU goes below base clock, not boost) happens when the CPU is already quite hot

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Leaving it at said temps would damage it

gritty meadow Mar 27, 2020, 8:48 PM

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as we have talked about before @warm path, only thing you can do is wait

warm path Mar 27, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Ok

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Thanks for answers both of you

vestal fog Mar 27, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Would a intel core i7 8700 and an asus turbo 1080ti work good together?

tacit hemlock Mar 27, 2020, 10:48 PM

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I would say so

empty flame Mar 28, 2020, 7:04 AM

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https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-GAMING-PLUS/Overview what is the highest graphics card this MoBo can have

MSI Global

B450 GAMING PLUS gaming motherboard support AMD® RYZEN™ Desktop Processors for socket AM4 and up to DDR4-3466+(OC) Memory; DDR4 Boost gives your DDR4 memory a performance boost; Mystic Light and Mystic Light Sync supports 7 colors / 7 effects in one click

winter rock Mar 28, 2020, 9:08 AM

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it has a steel reinforcement on the pcie slot so it appears relatively new and it supports up to 3rd gen Ryzen cpu so id probably say it has no 'highest' limit to what gaming graphics card it may use

muted roost Mar 28, 2020, 11:14 AM

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There is no “highest” limit. Any card will fit into it. It’s just a matter of your budget and how good your cpu is as to not bottleneck your gpu

quaint current Mar 28, 2020, 6:25 PM

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yeah you could slap a quatro rtx 8000 or rtx titan in there if you wanted

ocean delta Mar 28, 2020, 6:47 PM

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I have a question

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I did not put on a anti static wrist band when I was test installing my motherboard to my new case and I realized afterhand that static charge can harm or break a motherboard, so im worried that I might have damaged it but I don't have the parts here to put it up to check

hollow thorn Mar 28, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I believe it most likely would be fine, unless you start having issues with it while using it.

ocean delta Mar 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Okay thank you for telling me that cause I'm just overworried man I just bought it

cerulean nova Mar 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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I replaced my cpu on carpet and with no wrist band without thinking about it and it was fine, now I'm not saying I recommend doing that but just saying it will probably be fine

crude path Mar 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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i personally never use an anti static wrist band. it is good practice to touch something metal before you start working but it should be fine.

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I've also built a computer on carpet before i knew that was a bad thing to do dragocor Squirtlederp

cerulean nova Mar 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Ya I built mine on carpet but I had a band

crude path Mar 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I didnt lol. I was young and figured carpet is soft and gentle enough to lay the parts on. found out about a year later how bad that is lol

cerulean nova Mar 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Lol

hollow thorn Mar 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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me too...

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I also might've placed my cpu pins down onto carpet

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still works so

midnight pollen Mar 28, 2020, 7:56 PM

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it is only problem when you get static discharge on the parts, has a possibility of frying something

ocean delta Mar 28, 2020, 8:33 PM

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I did it on a wood floor

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But wearing a slightly staticy shirt

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So I was worried

hollow thorn Mar 29, 2020, 11:01 PM

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I kinda just flash a new bios

mild jackal Mar 29, 2020, 11:01 PM

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I like boards with overclocking profiles for that reason. Better yet, physical bios switch + dual/triple bios.

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Bonus points for a socketed 2nd/3rd bios eeprom.

hollow thorn Mar 29, 2020, 11:03 PM

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I've actually never seen any with physical 2nd or 3rd bios :p

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huh

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@mild jackal where is that exactly on the board? looks like a hard to reach spot lol

mild jackal Mar 29, 2020, 11:19 PM

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https://xdevs.com/doc/_PC_HW/EVGA/E399/img/mainboard.jpg

hollow thorn Mar 29, 2020, 11:19 PM

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oh nevermind

mild jackal Mar 29, 2020, 11:19 PM

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The two soldered chips are just above the socket

hollow thorn Mar 29, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I thought it was the corner by the IO

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because of that piece of heatsink in the pic

tacit hemlock Mar 29, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Love that horizontal 24 pin

lyric barn Mar 30, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I have a HP z800 workstation with USB 2.0 and SATA 2. I would like to upgrade to USB 3.0 and SATA 3 with a PCIe adapter card if possible. Does anyone know if this is possible and if newegg might have the necessary card?

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 5:38 PM

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@lyric barn there might be a combo card, but i doubt it. There will single function AiC's that do what you want

lyric barn Mar 30, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Would you have a part number or model number

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 5:40 PM

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not yet, i am just looking up the manual for the z800

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been a while since i last had one at the workshop

lyric barn Mar 30, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Thanks Naed

split copper Mar 30, 2020, 5:40 PM

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it looks like an ATX computer, so it should have enough PCIe slots for two additional cards

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 5:41 PM

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its a bit of wonky board @split copper

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@lyric barn you have 2 pci-e slots free right?

split copper Mar 30, 2020, 5:43 PM

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HP's website makes me want to cry lol

lyric barn Mar 30, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Yes. I have 2x8(4), 2x16, x8(4) slots available

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 5:43 PM

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@split copper https://support.hp.com/sk-en/document/c01709726

HP Z800 Workstation Product Specifications | HP® Customer Support

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its a bit more exotic than what normally comes by here @split copper :)

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@lyric barn does it have to be newegg.com?

lyric barn Mar 30, 2020, 5:45 PM

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No

split copper Mar 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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I can't seem to find the actual manual

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there's lots of different installation manuals for different devices though

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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http://www.hp.com/canada/products/landing/workstations/files/13278_na.pdf <- thats the one

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aye aye

split copper Mar 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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oh my goodness finally xd

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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the board itself is the same thou:)

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@lyric barn you want a usb solution that also has front panel connectors for a 5.25 bay?

lyric barn Mar 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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yes

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/QNINE-Include-Superspeed-Express-Supply/dp/B07XXSS8XV <- i have used this one before

lyric barn Mar 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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would i need a card for SATA 3 also

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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aye

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hence why i asked about the 2 free slots earlier :)

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before i link a sata card.

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i have to ask you: why?

lyric barn Mar 30, 2020, 5:52 PM

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would the link you provided be for both cards

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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what do you think you will gain from having sata6.0 ports?

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the above link is just for the USB card.

split copper Mar 30, 2020, 5:56 PM

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most SATA SSDs sit at around 550MB/s or thereabouts for read/write speeds, which is above the 3Gbps of SATA2

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 5:56 PM

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yes, you know, i know this.

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i am curious what he knows :)

split copper Mar 30, 2020, 5:56 PM

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okay xd

lyric barn Mar 30, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Well I've always heard if you don't know ask somebody. Thank you guys for all of your help. Guess maybe SATA 3 wouldn't be that much of any increase . I'm just a novice trying to learn.

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 6:03 PM

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@lyric barn please know/hear the following as a positive thing.

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there are no stupid questions, only silly answers

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i am asking you the things i am, because i want to try and make certain you actually solve/get what it is you are looking for

warm path Mar 30, 2020, 6:33 PM

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@gritty meadow wow They told me to buy new systems

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And they don’t support upgrades

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 6:49 PM

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@warm path and what did i tell you would happen?

warm path Mar 30, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Yea

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You were correct

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 6:50 PM

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sorry mate

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but the age of that Aio just works against you

warm path Mar 30, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Yea

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Maybe I will build new pc later

gritty meadow Mar 30, 2020, 6:57 PM

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or as we have talked about in passing, pickup a newer used machine

warm path Mar 30, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Yea

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I would maybe prefer building new pc

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Need the experience plus

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I can pick stuff to use

warm path Mar 30, 2020, 8:11 PM

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@gritty meadow Look what I found https://www.userbenchmark.com/System/Dell-Inspiron-20-Model-3048/16374

hollow thorn Mar 30, 2020, 8:16 PM

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userbench :p

tacit hemlock Mar 30, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Alarm Uh oh userbenchmark Alarm

split copper Mar 30, 2020, 8:25 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/gif-4374449

Tenor

warm path Mar 30, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Wdym

split copper Mar 30, 2020, 11:57 PM

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@potent bear

tacit hemlock Mar 31, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Motor will explain it lmao

warm path Mar 31, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Ok

warm path Mar 31, 2020, 2:57 AM

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@gritty meadow is User bench useful

gritty meadow Mar 31, 2020, 3:09 AM

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i dont personally find it to be super usefull

warm path Mar 31, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Ah

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Ok

split copper Mar 31, 2020, 3:37 AM

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there is one potential use I can find, the memory latency ladder

naive pendant Mar 31, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Whats better than an i5 and will be an upgrade that won't be a waste of money

pastel monolith Mar 31, 2020, 3:45 AM

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an i7 or a amd 3600, 3700x and a few others

split copper Mar 31, 2020, 3:45 AM

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what specific i5?

naive pendant Mar 31, 2020, 3:46 AM

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I wanna switch to amd but will the cpu match my mobo because i have an alienware mobo

pastel monolith Mar 31, 2020, 3:46 AM

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no

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but a new amd motherboard and cpu might be cheaper than a i5/i7

naive pendant Mar 31, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Ok thx

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Cuz i am planning to upgrade my cpu and gpu but im upgrading GPU first

pastel monolith Mar 31, 2020, 3:48 AM

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r5 3600 = $175 + AMD motherboard (m-atx tuf pro) = $95 = around $260

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where as a i7 will be over $300

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around $230ish for a i5 9600k

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USA prices and dollars

gritty meadow Mar 31, 2020, 3:50 AM

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board is about 95 for the m-atx tuf pro

pastel monolith Mar 31, 2020, 3:50 AM

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@naive pendant what GPU does it currently have?

split copper Mar 31, 2020, 3:50 AM

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I hate finding out that the Intel CPU option is often the same as the AMD CPU and motherboard combined

pastel monolith Mar 31, 2020, 3:52 AM

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yeah...

split copper Mar 31, 2020, 3:59 AM

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the exception being the i3-8100 or 9100 at around 120-125 USD compared to the Ryzen 3 3200G at 95 USD

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it's not a huge price difference in that situation

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but it's still in favor of AMD

pastel monolith Mar 31, 2020, 4:00 AM

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9400f isnt too bad either price/performance wise

split copper Mar 31, 2020, 4:02 AM

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yeah, it looks pretty good, but 2600 or 1600AF tho

pastel monolith Mar 31, 2020, 4:04 AM

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its best this way wouldnt want one to dominate

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AMD keeps intel honest

potent bear Mar 31, 2020, 4:07 AM

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It’s always this channel that people have UB links

split copper Mar 31, 2020, 4:09 AM

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haha

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does the memory latency latter actually serve to indicate anything useful @potent bear ?

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in UB of course :p

potent bear Mar 31, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Not sure

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I only call it controversial because they slapped the “bias against AMD” button and everybody was about to throw some hands at UB

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Fricc bias’ism

split copper Mar 31, 2020, 4:13 AM

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yeah

rocky flame Mar 31, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Does anyone have the x570 Taichi and use the WiFi Antenna? I am having issues with my WiFi (either it’s the antenna or I’m getting throttled like half the day). Just wondering what the issue could be.

tidal spade Mar 31, 2020, 11:13 PM

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RIP Newegg's RMA process.... My cpu was damaged, I RMA, but declined because it was damaged.

gritty meadow Mar 31, 2020, 11:22 PM

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@tidal spade have a chat with @glad socket

tidal spade Mar 31, 2020, 11:46 PM

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I already spoke with a supervisor. I am SOL, even the AMD warranty has the same wording.

gritty meadow Mar 31, 2020, 11:50 PM

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nothing we can do about that

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we = people here.

tidal spade Mar 31, 2020, 11:56 PM

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no worries, just frustrating... I figure I might as well try and fix it or take it to a jeweler to fix.

gritty meadow Mar 31, 2020, 11:57 PM

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what did you do?

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:00 AM

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not all of the pins on the bottom of a cpu are necessary, or even used for anything. Look up a cpu pinout and see if the bent or broken ones are even important

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:06 AM

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I did nothing out of the ordinary.. This is like the 10th pc I've built. I put in the CPU to board and it posted, but only half the memory.

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I looked up that it might be a bent pin or broken pin, but opted to just RMA the CPU.

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:07 AM

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did you swap around modules

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i assume

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Apparently there was physical damage, but I didn't see any when I installed or sent it back. aww well.

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Yeah, my board has lights for the DIMMS that are active and only either A or B would reconginze with a signle stick.

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Both sticks worked, but only one could be installed for the post.

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:08 AM

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how many dimm slots on your board?

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:08 AM

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4 slots, two channels adimm and bdimms.

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:08 AM

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and you tested one dimm in every slot?

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as in, you tested the slots themselves, right?

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:09 AM

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I test both sticks in Dimm A as was told, and both worked, but then I tried in Dimm B and still worked solo.

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But if I put in Dimm A and in Dimm B it would not post... Just light up.

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:10 AM

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what is dimm A

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:11 AM

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on my board it one the second one closest to the CPU..

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I think it's just the name the Motherboard manufacter used to describe the difference between the dual channel memory slots.

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:11 AM

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the slots are hardwired to the CPU, if you tested one dimm in each slot, and it was detected, then both memory channels on cpu die are working

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Yeah it only fails with two memory sticks installed.

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:12 AM

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thats not a cpu problem, thats a configuration problem

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:13 AM

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They said there was physical damage to the CPU and Bent Pins..

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:13 AM

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who said

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Newegg RMA service.

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The people who I sent it to for a replacement.

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:13 AM

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when you sent it back, did you see any bent pins?

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Not at the time..

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I looked at it and it seemed fine to me.

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:14 AM

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do you see bent pins now, or do you not have it back

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:14 AM

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It is currently being shipped back to me.

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:15 AM

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ok, when you get it back, look at the pins, check and see which ones are bent. try to bend them back. if they break off, check and see if that pin is necessary for the cpu to function.

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if its not used, your clear

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if its a ground pin, it might still work

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Yeah, one step at a time... Hopefully it is fixable... Just annoying. I have been with Newegg for years and firs time I had this happen.

main pulsar Apr 1, 2020, 12:16 AM

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did you check the socket for debris?

tidal spade Apr 1, 2020, 12:18 AM

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I didn't do a deep inspection, but I didn't notice anything. I made sure the triangle was lined up, and it dropped into place. I didn't use any force, and the latch secured without an issue.

tacit hemlock Apr 1, 2020, 2:04 AM

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Did anyone see that new ltt vid with the 4000 series ryzen laptop

hollow thorn Apr 1, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Ya

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@tacit hemlock 4900hs looking crazy good

tacit hemlock Apr 1, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Ik it looks awesome.

long geyser Apr 1, 2020, 2:19 AM

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and it's on a flippin basic laptop

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comparitive to any 9980hk I think the CPU was (I dont remember mobile Intel SKUs)

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about $1000 less then laptops with the "same" CPU perf and same GPU perf or probs $1500+ less then whatever that laptop was but with a 2060, giving actually more or less the same perf (tho, much louder and heavier)

daring patio Apr 1, 2020, 3:15 AM

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whats the best budget mobo ($700 build) for a ryzen 5 3600

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#LTTGang

long geyser Apr 1, 2020, 3:21 AM

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b450m TUF Pro Gaming (not plus gaming)

prisma spoke Apr 1, 2020, 5:44 PM

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midnight pollen Apr 1, 2020, 5:50 PM

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F

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did you delete system32

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smh

weak hamlet Apr 1, 2020, 5:53 PM

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vagrant mist Apr 2, 2020, 4:49 AM

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How well will an ASUS 450-F pair with a Ryzen 5 3600 and a 2070?

charred stone Apr 2, 2020, 8:18 AM

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hi guys I am still on an i7 4770k. It still works perfectly but I was wondering. If I want to play more recent games like let's say Modern Warfare, should I upgrade then or does it still hold up quite well?

long geyser Apr 2, 2020, 8:55 AM

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@vagrant mist Not bad, tho said board is usually overpriced

worn mountain Apr 2, 2020, 4:06 PM

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@vagrant mist check your local BestBuy's and see if they have the crosshair 7. I picked one up for 118 as they are clearing out stock.

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The site still has it listed as full price but in store it is much cheaper

naive pendant Apr 3, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Need a motherboard and cpu combo ddr4 preferred, for under 120

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Um what

tacit hemlock Apr 3, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Lol

naive pendant Apr 3, 2020, 2:18 AM

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do the smaller fan models on ryzen processors have a copper, circle heatsink?

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 2:26 AM

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what

tacit hemlock Apr 3, 2020, 2:30 AM

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jackhuh

sharp blaze Apr 3, 2020, 5:46 AM

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I think he means do they have a copper slug in the center of the cooler where it makes contact with the cpu. The entire bottom of the wraith prism is copper, I know the first gen wraith spire coolers had a copper slug, the wraith stealth like what comes with the 2600 non x that I have is all aluminum.

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the 2600x comes with he spire with the copper slug

mossy plaza Apr 3, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Hi everyone, I’m currently using a Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H motherboard with an i5 3570k processor and I’m kinda hitting a brick wall in upgrades. I’m doing mostly VR and 4K gaming on my GeForce 1060 but need to upgrade the mobo and CPU. Any good recommendations for something middle of the road on a budget? Looking to spend under $500 if possible on the mobo, cpu and memory. I don’t know if it’s likely though. I don’t know if my current memory may be transferable - 32 GB DDR3 PC3 12800?

weak hamlet Apr 3, 2020, 3:39 PM

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500? def doable

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tJW7Zf

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midnight pollen Apr 3, 2020, 3:41 PM

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te ram no, current ram is ddr4

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 3:41 PM

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box

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msi x570 eh?

midnight pollen Apr 3, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Oh_No

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 3:42 PM

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I like some msi features

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but

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@long geyser want to say your thing?

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idrk the details on lower end msi x570 boards

long geyser Apr 3, 2020, 3:47 PM

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cheap x570 MSI usually has the same feature sets as other x570 but worse VRMs, to the point of overheating from a 3700x on PBO or PB2; dont remember which

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going for say a b450 with basically same features minus gen4 in that gets you a nice cheap CPU cooler or smth, quieter then stock

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 3:49 PM

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I assume it's the x570 a pro

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thats the lowest tiered msi x570 board on the tier list

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long geyser Apr 3, 2020, 3:50 PM

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One of the MSI cheap x570 has an Intel LAN chip, which last I checked was the cheapest x570 with an Intel LAN chip (better driver support). About the only reason to go cheap x570 MSI afaik

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Dont remember which board it was tho

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other then MSI

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 3:50 PM

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gaming plus and edge

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idrk

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prob the more expensive one

long geyser Apr 3, 2020, 3:52 PM

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probs, but too lazy to check rn. Am so dead, couldnt sleep cuz school work

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Did you stay up all night...

long geyser Apr 3, 2020, 3:53 PM

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yeah

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currently 11:53am

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and still not done this work

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programming is fun sometimes

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 3:55 PM

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you forgot a semicolon 200 lines up

long geyser Apr 3, 2020, 3:56 PM

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if only the errors were just that simple

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Error: null pointer exception

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there are 2 possibilities, either you're making the array point at some ungodly number thats outside the range for int, or it's negative

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both makes no sense

long geyser Apr 3, 2020, 4:04 PM

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I use c++, which arrays go by size_t rather then int, size_t goes higher

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unsigned int

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maybe with an int with a higher storage bit then usual as well (say int32/int64), dont remember now

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Well, the point is, errors are confusing

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I dont even remember the max for int

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its like 32mil or something

long geyser Apr 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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yeah, basically

mossy plaza Apr 3, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Thanks for the recommendation! So definitely on the X570 or the B450?

prisma spoke Apr 3, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Is thermaltake UX100 a good cooler for ryzen 1600 af?

tacit hemlock Apr 3, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Probably won't be better than the stock cooler

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If you want rgb just buy a wraith prism

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Stealth has rgb too I thought

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wait the spire has rgb nvm

tacit hemlock Apr 3, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Only some spires have rgb not all of them

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Idk which ones tho

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 4:45 PM

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stealth doesn't spire does

tacit hemlock Apr 3, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Not all spires tho right?

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Also it isn't full rgb I thought it was just a red strip around it

hollow thorn Apr 3, 2020, 4:48 PM

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its lighting

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spire and stealth look the same except lighting I thought

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o wait

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📎 iu.png

tacit hemlock Apr 3, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Spire is bigger

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Yep lol thats all of em

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I have the stealth peepoSadSip

warm path Apr 3, 2020, 6:58 PM

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@gritty meadow Found some answers:

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gritty meadow Apr 3, 2020, 7:06 PM

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@warm path you have voided yourself from getting help.

warm path Apr 3, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Ooof

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Ok

warm path Apr 5, 2020, 4:27 AM

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@gritty meadow

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Hold on

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That was from a Dell Employee

naive pendant Apr 5, 2020, 5:58 PM

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is 32gb of ram ever needed?

slate seal Apr 5, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Chrome

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You need at least 128 gb

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So yes but more

urban ferry Apr 5, 2020, 6:01 PM

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@naive pendant for general use such as gaming, web browsing, word processing, no

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32gbs of ram is useful for more intense things like for example, video editing, 3d modeling, etc/

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blender, a animation and 3d modeling software, took up a LOT of my 32gbs of ram

slate seal Apr 5, 2020, 6:02 PM

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It looks better (assuming your using 4x8)

urban ferry Apr 5, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Half Life Alyx is also memory hungry, but 16gb is fine

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if i were you, i would get 2x8 (assuming ur board has 4 slots for ram)

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that way later you can upgrade

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and have 32

slate seal Apr 5, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Should I be updating my bios often

tacit hemlock Apr 5, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Why would you?

slate seal Apr 5, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Idk

gritty meadow Apr 5, 2020, 8:44 PM

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@slate seal your BIOS is NOT something you update "just for fun"

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if it is NOT broken, do not try to fix it.

slate seal Apr 5, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Ok

naive pendant Apr 5, 2020, 11:09 PM

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@urban ferry thank you for your input

urban ferry Apr 5, 2020, 11:09 PM

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sure thing

naive pendant Apr 5, 2020, 11:14 PM

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also @urban ferry is a 2060 super and ryzen 7 2700x well suited for heavy video editing? in your opinion...

urban ferry Apr 5, 2020, 11:15 PM

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yes

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that is a good combo

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that cpu will perform well

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8c/16t, 👌

naive pendant Apr 5, 2020, 11:15 PM

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thank you!

urban ferry Apr 6, 2020, 12:01 AM

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ye

pulsar flame Apr 6, 2020, 3:23 AM

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I have 16gb of ram that has a stock speed of 2400mhz but an xmp profile boosts it to 3000. I want to expand to 32gb of ram. Should I buy the same exact ram or another brand of ram with a speed of 3000mhz.

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hollow thorn Apr 6, 2020, 3:24 AM

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You should do same exact ram

pulsar flame Apr 6, 2020, 3:24 AM

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ok thanks

hollow thorn Apr 6, 2020, 3:24 AM

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📎 25b7be2e287a338e194812b42224e5ee.png

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I have the power

devout mothBOT Apr 6, 2020, 3:25 AM

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KanyeVeest#9307 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

hollow thorn Apr 6, 2020, 3:25 AM

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BRO

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not nice

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oops?

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......

devout mothBOT Apr 6, 2020, 3:26 AM

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KanyeVeest#9307 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

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KanyeVeest#9307 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

hollow thorn Apr 6, 2020, 3:27 AM

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oooof

midnight pollen Apr 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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big rip

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he slipped one too many times

hollow thorn Apr 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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like moi

quaint current Apr 6, 2020, 3:43 AM

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L

tacit hemlock Apr 6, 2020, 2:31 PM

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F

hollow thorn Apr 6, 2020, 2:31 PM

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T

tacit hemlock Apr 6, 2020, 2:31 PM

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What did be think would happen 😂

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R

dark delta Apr 6, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Does anyone know if the ASRock B450 Steel Legend Mobo support Ryzen 3000 CPUs out of the box, without updating the BIOS?

tacit hemlock Apr 6, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Most likely yes.

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Where are you buying it from

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If your buying from Amazon its basically a guarantee

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If your buying from a third party seller it could vary

midnight pollen Apr 6, 2020, 5:38 PM

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if you are buying new probably, although I cannot guarantee. You'd probably have to contact whoever is selling to ensure that it is

naive pendant Apr 6, 2020, 11:20 PM

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So, I'm playing borderlands 2, tracking my ram, CPU, and GPU usage. My GPU usage is at 0% anyone know why?

midnight pollen Apr 6, 2020, 11:59 PM

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task manager doesn't always show the right usage, it might come up under 3D usage in task manager or if you have an overlayhttps://i.imgur.com/LIgNyDP.png

Imgur

full flame Apr 7, 2020, 12:17 AM

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If it's something with an iGPU maybe you're looking at the wrong gpu?

naive pendant Apr 7, 2020, 1:58 AM

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I only have 1 @full flame

dark delta Apr 7, 2020, 4:42 AM

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@tacit hemlock I am buying it from Newegg. Thsnks for the reply

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I bought it from Newegg @midnight pollen

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Does anyone know how many aRGB fans you can daisy chain on an aRGB (3-pin) header on your motherboard? I have an ASRock B450 Mobo with an aRGB header

neon prairie Apr 7, 2020, 6:30 PM

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So I have a question about AMD processors. I am thinking about buying a Ryzen 5 1600 12mn but i have a little more money in my budget and I was wondering if I should upgrade that now rather than later

split copper Apr 7, 2020, 7:13 PM

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What kind of stuff do you like to do?

neon prairie Apr 7, 2020, 7:13 PM

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gaming mostly

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though I have already been suggested the ryzen 5 3600 as a solid upgrade point lol

split copper Apr 7, 2020, 7:15 PM

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The 1600 is perfect for quite a while without upgrade

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You can sink the extra budget into a higher power GPU

neon prairie Apr 7, 2020, 7:17 PM

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i have already bought what i think is a decent gpu

split copper Apr 7, 2020, 7:18 PM

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From what my brain has inhaled, so long as your tasks are more GPU intensive than CPU, you can get away with just the 1600

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O fair nuff

neon prairie Apr 7, 2020, 7:18 PM

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yeah. radeon 570 i believe

split copper Apr 7, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Anything else in your computer that could use an upgrade?

neon prairie Apr 7, 2020, 7:21 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HHr2TC
That's what I have rn

System Builder

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@split copper

split copper Apr 7, 2020, 7:34 PM

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I suppose you could choose a more powerful CPU

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I would personally go for a better SSD, or faster RAM maybe

neon prairie Apr 7, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Gotcha okay

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Well I forgot that I needed to get a keyboard so I don't think I can upgrade anything just yet

split copper Apr 7, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Ah

boreal wedge Apr 7, 2020, 8:09 PM

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I have the Asus x570 tuf plus, and for the cpu power it’s a 8pin and a 4 pin connector. I need to confirm that I have to have both the 8 pin and 4 pin power cable plugged in for it to be fully functional without problems correct?

slate seal Apr 7, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Nope

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Just 8 pin should be fine

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But what cpu do you have?

long geyser Apr 7, 2020, 9:59 PM

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All AM4 CPUs stock can run off a 4 pin by itself. That supplies 150w and the 3950x takes 145w peak on stock. 8 pin supplies 300w or so. So yeah. Single 8 pin is fine.

rocky flame Apr 8, 2020, 1:59 AM

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2x32 or 4x16 Ram at 3600 MHz?

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 2:00 AM

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whatevers cheaper I believe would be better

rocky flame Apr 8, 2020, 2:01 AM

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I heard 4x16 was harder to overclock and the MHz speeds were much lower than 2x32... that’s why I asked.

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Hmm who to ping

@mild jackal Would 2 sticks in that situation better utilize dual channel, and would a server board with quad channel memory better utilize 4 sticks of ram?

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 2:03 AM

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The thing is - the use case for >16GB of ram benefits very little from any OC shenanigans.

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What board/cpu?

rocky flame Apr 8, 2020, 2:05 AM

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So I am building a “dream” pc (dreaming is all that will happen, lol) on pc part picker. So far, I have the 3950x cpu with the x570 MSI Godlike mobo.

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Right now, I have 2x16 3000mhz. Tbh, I would just do 2x16 3600 MHz, but if money wasn’t a barrier, then why not just go for the 64gb, right?

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 2:06 AM

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"dream pc" - go with 4x16 3600 cl 14 or something

rocky flame Apr 8, 2020, 2:07 AM

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What does the cl 14 stand for?

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Cas latency 14

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and then that means like 14-14-14-34

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and each number has weird names

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like tRC is one of them

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and it stands for timing something cycle

quaint current Apr 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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basically the lower the better

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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its a bunch of complicated stuff

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lower the better is all you need to know

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 2:10 AM

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idk if the godlike - or if any of the MSI lineup is wires for 2 dim or 4 dimm configs (daisy chain vs t topology) - but the entire asus and Gigabyte Aorus linup is set up to favor 2 dimms

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The thing is- the drawbacks to a daisy chain setup don't really apply to x570 since nobody really daily's ram (far) above 3600MHz.

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Forks, is there any commercial 16gb 3600 cl14 ram?

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Yep. It's basically high-bin- b-die that's got a default XMP set voltage of 1.4v or so.

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 2:12 AM

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I can only find 8gb per module

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like this
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232892

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 2:12 AM

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oh- ya, misread, I wouldn't be surprised if that only came in 8GB

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 2:12 AM

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ah, sad.

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 2:13 AM

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TL;DR - you can just buy 3200 cl14 or another "high bin" b-die and just set the voltage to 1.4-1.5v manually and hit the same clocks

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@naive pendant heh

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 2:13 AM

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heh

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tho is there any b die 16gb modules at all? I'm not too familiar with this stuff... brb

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 2:13 AM

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Ya, there are definitely some 3200 cl14 dual rank 16 Gb modules

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 2:13 AM

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oh yep

toxic ridge Apr 8, 2020, 3:45 AM

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guys should i get the aorus 240m aio or nhd15?
money isnt a problem, and im just worried about temps and noise

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oh wrong tab my bad

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i moved to cooling btw

tacit hemlock Apr 8, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Why would you get a aorus aio lol

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 2:05 PM

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why wouldn't you?

tacit hemlock Apr 8, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Uh.... shoot

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Idk it seems like the only reason to get it is for brand loyalty

slate seal Apr 8, 2020, 2:10 PM

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I didn't even know it existed

midnight pollen Apr 8, 2020, 2:22 PM

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aorus has aio?

rocky flame Apr 8, 2020, 2:36 PM

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So when people say “bottleneck”, what do they mean? I know what the word means, but in tech terms, how does the bottleneck affect my computer. I have a 3900x and 1080 GPU and I was told to expect bottleneck.

tacit hemlock Apr 8, 2020, 2:39 PM

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It basically means that any of your components could not be fully utilized because another component is holding it back

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I dont really see how your system could bottleneck tho

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Could anybody recommend an AMD motherboard that supports HDMI 2.0? I found one, but I'm having an issue with the specs. On Newegg, it says this motherboard supports HDMI 2.0, but on another site, it says HDMI 1.4: https://www.newegg.com/asrock-x570-phantom-gaming-4/p/N82E16813157884?Item=N82E16813157884

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 3:44 PM

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what other site

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 3:44 PM

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https://www.microcenter.com/product/608721/asrock-x570-phantom-gaming-4-amd-am4-atx-motherboard

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 3:44 PM

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trust in the egg.

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or go to the actual asrock website and check the info.

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Will do

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On the ASRock site, it does in fact specify HDMI 2.0. Idk why Micro Center doesn't have that listed

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 3:58 PM

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yeah no telling really.

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but it being an 570, it probably has all current stuff

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 3:59 PM

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This is my first time ever building a PC, so I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to technical stuff

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It came out July of last year according to Newegg, so it is relatively recent

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 4:00 PM

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oh nice! welcome to pcmr! 😄

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feel free to come back if you have questions or need help putting it together

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plenty of nerds here Awkward

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🤓

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 4:01 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/you-are-anerd-lame-geek-youre-boring-dustin-henderson-gif-14577899

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Final Specs:

Motherboard - ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4

Processor - AMD Ryzen 9 3900x 3.8GHz 12-Core

RAM - Corsair 32GB (16GB x 2) 3200 MHz

GPU - MSI Super Ventus GeForce RTX 2080 Super 8GB GDDR6

Storage - WD 1TB SSD

Power Supply - Corsair RMx Series 850W (Modular)

Case - Fractal Design Meshify C White

Case Fans - Corsair AF Series AF120 Blue LED (3 Pack)

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 4:04 PM

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I would suggest a little higher mhz in the ram

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 4:05 PM

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One person I talked to said that upgrading to 3600 MHz would barely make a difference

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 4:05 PM

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3600mhz is idea for ryzen, especially the 3000 series

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Man, Micro Center sucks lol

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 4:05 PM

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ryzen craves high mhz

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I mean your 3200 will work dont get me wrong

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are you doing video edits? or gaming?

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Does a motherboard support the MHz amount if it's listed as OC?

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Gaming

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 4:06 PM

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streaming too?

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3900X is pretty OP for just gaming

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lol

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but you won't need to upgrade, probably ever

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 4:07 PM

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That's the idea lol

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 4:07 PM

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I have 3700x and even it is probably to much

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timeallen grunts.

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moar power

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 4:09 PM

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I've never had the ability to play games with great visuals, so this will be a nice change of pace

tacit hemlock Apr 8, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Probably don't need a 850w psu either

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Yeah, but I figured it's better to be safe than sorry. Also, if I ever upgrade, then I'm set

tacit hemlock Apr 8, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Ok but I mean you'll never have to upgrade with a 650w either

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 4:10 PM

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you'll love that 2080

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I have an evga 2070super and it smashes on games

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 4:11 PM

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The plan is to be able to play games in 4K at 60 FPS, hence my search for HDMI 2.0

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 4:11 PM

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nice

tacit hemlock Apr 8, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Thats basically a guarantee with that setup

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 4:12 PM

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I'm so excited

tacit hemlock Apr 8, 2020, 4:13 PM

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You should be 😉

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Also, with the 3600 MHz, would it work if the motherboard was 3600 OC?

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 4:13 PM

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yes

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Perfect. I have a lot of items to return lol

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 9:45 PM

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memory frequency isnt everything

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people need to get into the habit of mentioning timings as well

delicate bolt Apr 8, 2020, 9:46 PM

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frequency can affect performance on ryzen 3rd gen tho

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 9:46 PM

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and so can Timings.....

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your point?

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I'm just saying 3600 mhz ram isnt automatically faster than smth like 3000mhz

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because frequency is only part of the equation

midnight pollen Apr 8, 2020, 9:47 PM

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we do mention timings a lot here

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 9:49 PM

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lots of people dont

main pulsar Apr 8, 2020, 10:07 PM

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for lots of ppl, timings arent super important

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 10:08 PM

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what does that even mean.....

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rephrase that as "for a lot of people they dont know what effect timings have"

main pulsar Apr 8, 2020, 10:08 PM

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it means, considering people will pay 60k for the new imac that comes with the crappiest ddr4, it must not matter to everyone

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 10:08 PM

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and they think frequency is the metric that matters

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the imac comes with ECC ram iirc

main pulsar Apr 8, 2020, 10:09 PM

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i talk about timings to people, but they arent super important

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 10:09 PM

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and iMacs run JEDEC spec

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at least

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I think

main pulsar Apr 8, 2020, 10:09 PM

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yeah they do

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2133

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 10:09 PM

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JEDEC spec is 2400

main pulsar Apr 8, 2020, 10:09 PM

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is it?

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 10:09 PM

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2400 16-16-16

main pulsar Apr 8, 2020, 10:09 PM

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i thought 2133

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huh

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anyway, specifically for ryzen 3rd gen, and for ppl who dont wanna oc the crap out of their components, 3600 is just a safe bet

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it does more for the cpu than tighter timings

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especially when the difference in games is only like 4fps average

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 10:11 PM

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depends really on the application

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some applications benefit more from tight timings

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some benefit from faster frequency

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depends how many files you need to access

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and their size

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Three are different JDEC standards, ddr4 ranges from 1600 to 3200

main pulsar Apr 8, 2020, 10:12 PM

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spits drink out of mouth

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1600?

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oh is that mhz or mt/s

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 10:13 PM

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mhz

main pulsar Apr 8, 2020, 10:13 PM

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ok ok

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 10:13 PM

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I mean - MT/s

main pulsar Apr 8, 2020, 10:13 PM

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oh LOL

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 10:13 PM

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@mild jackal the GENERAL standard is 2400

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the most current and commonly used one

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 10:13 PM

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I'd say the "general" standard if you want to pick one is 2133, but w/e

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Newer stuff seems to be 2400

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 10:14 PM

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most mobos default to the 2400 standard

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at least

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newer platforms

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 10:14 PM

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It's not the mobo's choice - it's on the SPD eeprom on the stick.

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 10:14 PM

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oh

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did not actually know that

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actually on that topic

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Im bout to download SPDTool

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flashing these 3 kits I got a few weeks ago

mild jackal Apr 8, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Never tried it, I'd probably go with a hardware spi flasher, ch341a or something.

mild birch Apr 8, 2020, 10:17 PM

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hmmm

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got the idea from alatron, I'll just ask him

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but I'll just try one on a burner stick

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2gb green PCB from a prebuilt

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 10:22 PM

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@weak hamlet I just picked up the 3600 MHz

weak hamlet Apr 8, 2020, 10:24 PM

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nice!

rich sphinx Apr 8, 2020, 10:25 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

dusk jay Apr 8, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Hi so I just got a new PC and the g.skill RGB is driving me crazy, I can’t even tell you what it’s doing cause I don’t know what it’s doing but the g.skill program won’t do anything and the Asus aura program Is being weird

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 11:40 PM

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@dusk jay In my experience, msi mystic light works with both my motherboard and ram

dusk jay Apr 8, 2020, 11:41 PM

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what kinda ram u got? @hollow thorn

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 11:41 PM

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trident z neo

dusk jay Apr 8, 2020, 11:42 PM

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me 2

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 11:42 PM

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synced up, though it limits my color options, it is synced.

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dusk jay Apr 8, 2020, 11:56 PM

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it worked thanks so much @hollow thorn

hollow thorn Apr 8, 2020, 11:56 PM

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you're welcome

dusk jay Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 PM

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gotta wait for the aura website not to be broken

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 12:00 AM

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lol

mild birch Apr 9, 2020, 1:55 AM

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why y'all buying neo/

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genuine question

long geyser Apr 9, 2020, 2:11 AM

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It got big due to having a b die SKU, which basically no one bought

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Now the most popular one is just the "good CL/freq but meh everything else"

midnight pollen Apr 9, 2020, 2:27 AM

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wow that software is very flashy

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 2:31 AM

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@mild birch Got it on sale, and ripjaw v were out for 3600 cl16

tacit hemlock Apr 9, 2020, 2:33 AM

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If only aura sync was flashy... smh asus

lavish otter Apr 9, 2020, 5:58 AM

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hey gang, I am trying to purchase the correct spec for DDR4 RAM for a ASROCK x570 phathom 4 motherboard with ryzen 3600x CPU. I need 32gig of Ram(2x16gb, went to the ASROCK website and check the RAM spec super confusing.. can anyone help??

rich sphinx Apr 9, 2020, 1:42 PM

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@lavish otter What in particular are you confused about?

weak hamlet Apr 9, 2020, 1:43 PM

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https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X570 phantom Gaming 4/index.asp#Support

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you wanna check the QVL

tacit hemlock Apr 9, 2020, 1:44 PM

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Well on their website it says that board supports up to 4000mhz ram. So any ddr4 ram underneath that in speed will work. I would personally recommend this kit for your specific need https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory

weak hamlet Apr 9, 2020, 1:44 PM

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QVL will show you what will work for sure.

tacit hemlock Apr 9, 2020, 1:44 PM

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Oh sry lol I was getting that link I didn't see you answer him

rich sphinx Apr 9, 2020, 1:51 PM

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@lavish otter I literally purchased the exact same motherboard and RAM that were linked in this chat. I'm trying to post a screenshot which shows that the Phantom 4 is compatible with the RAM @tacit hemlock linked, but it won't let me for some reason

ionic hamlet Apr 9, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Is it just me, or does it seem like the Ryzen 3600 is perpetually 175 USD? I wonder when they'll make the price drop official

vagrant mist Apr 9, 2020, 2:29 PM

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maybe if it stopped being a great choice for a midrange cpu?

tacit hemlock Apr 9, 2020, 2:39 PM

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I feel like the subtlety make more money buy saying its 200 but you can have it for 175 than just saying this is a 175 dollar cpu. Its more enticing the first way

vagrant mist Apr 9, 2020, 2:40 PM

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yeah sounds right

ionic hamlet Apr 9, 2020, 2:51 PM

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I mean, it's a good CPU for somebody who is maybe looking to build a new system but doesn't want to spend a fortune

cerulean forge Apr 9, 2020, 4:39 PM

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alright boys here we go again!

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will i notice a difference in performance in gaming vs a 3900x vs a 3800x?

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Yes

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3900x is higher binned

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but with even more cores too

cerulean forge Apr 9, 2020, 4:41 PM

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so should i get a 3900x over a 3800x?

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 4:41 PM

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depends on your budget

cerulean forge Apr 9, 2020, 4:42 PM

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my budget is

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a lot

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i have 500$

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 4:42 PM

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...?

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just for a cpu?

cerulean forge Apr 9, 2020, 4:42 PM

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yep

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i already have an x570 board as well

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 4:42 PM

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I mean... Might as well?

cerulean forge Apr 9, 2020, 4:43 PM

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alright right

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tight*

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 4:43 PM

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It gets you more precessing power too if you want to do video editing down the line or something

cerulean forge Apr 9, 2020, 4:44 PM

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i don't really plan on video editing but i mean

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will the performance difference be like

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thicc

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 4:45 PM

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not too thicc

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its a tiny bit actually

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@cerulean forge like if you JUST want a good price-to-performace, go with a 3700x or 3600.

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3800x is just a tiny bit better than 3700x, and 3900x just a tiny bit better in gaming than the 3800x

cerulean forge Apr 9, 2020, 4:46 PM

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yeah i was thinking about the 3700 or the 3800

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but i don't wanna waste my bread

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🥖

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 4:46 PM

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then go with 3700x

cerulean forge Apr 9, 2020, 4:46 PM

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alright thanks for the advice guy!

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oh and @hollow thorn i'm going from a 2600 too

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Fair.

cerulean forge Apr 9, 2020, 4:48 PM

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yeah, i can't wait so i can actually utilize my pcie 4.0 ssd

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i changed my mind i'm gonna wait for ryzen 4000 desktop

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so the 3000 will be cheaper

tacit hemlock Apr 9, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I mean if you can wait then sure

cerulean forge Apr 9, 2020, 5:01 PM

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yeah

vestal fog Apr 9, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Is water cooling necessary for an 8700?

quaint current Apr 9, 2020, 5:24 PM

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No

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 5:24 PM

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no

quaint current Apr 9, 2020, 5:25 PM

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air coolers work well even on 9900k/3950x, unless overclocking flagship mainstream cpus like the two I listed I’d stick to air cooling

vestal fog Apr 9, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Ok thanks.

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:03 PM

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so i am going to build my first computer and i was wondering if it is compatible my cpu is a ryzen 5 3600 my motherboard is a msi b450 tomahawk max my graphics card is the rtx 2060

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i also have an ssd and a hard drive

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i think it is compatiable but i am worried

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Can you put it in a https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ ?

System Builder

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:05 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/#compatibility_notes

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at the top it says it is not compatible but when i google it, it says it works and i see people use that mobo and cpu on youtube

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:07 PM

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um

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when you copy a pcpartpicker link, copy this link @pallid jacinth

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pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:08 PM

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ok

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wrWgp8

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:09 PM

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What about a case and power supply?

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:09 PM

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i already have them

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Also, I would not recommend that SSD since it doesn't have dram.

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:10 PM

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my powersupply is 650 watts

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and okay i will get a different one what would you reccomend

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Also, that 2060 is quite expensive for a 2060, get a evga 2060ko if possible

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I would recommend a silicon power a80 512gb

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since you would save money from switching the RTX 2060

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:12 PM

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is there a big performance gap between the 2060ko and the msi one

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:12 PM

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nope

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It's the same GPU, except with a different shroud slapped onto it

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:12 PM

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but the boost and core clock are different

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Some cards are slightly factory OCed

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But the GPU under the cooler is nearly the exact same

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:13 PM

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okay

#

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kFvnXv

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so does this look better

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Yes, but there's also a suggestion I would make, while that board works, the Asus b450 tuf pro is a slightly better board.

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:19 PM

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ok

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is that board compatible with the ryzen 5 3600

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Yea

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:21 PM

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it says it is not on pc part picker

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how do u know if an ssd or m.2 has dram

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:23 PM

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One sec

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Here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0

Google Docs

SSDs

Master List

Brand,Model,Interface,Form Factor,Capacities,Controller,Configuration,DRAM,HMB,NAND Brand,NAND Type,2D/3D NAND,Layers,R/W (Up to, in MB/s),Categories,Notes (*),Product Page,Product Page 2,Amazon Affiliate Link,Amazon Price (Coming Soon)
ADATA,S40G,x4 PCIe 3.0/NVMe...

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:43 PM

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what does dram do

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:45 PM

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It's like a cache for the ssd, it helps the ssd to maintain speeds during file transfers and other uses, and helps a lot with the lifespan of the ssd

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:46 PM

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ok

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why is the asus board better

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Better sound chip

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:49 PM

#

what is a sound chip

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:50 PM

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it does sound things :p

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:50 PM

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im not gonna have speakers

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so will it still benefit me

hollow thorn Apr 9, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Yes

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if you have headphones that will use it

pallid jacinth Apr 9, 2020, 11:54 PM

#

how much more is it

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nevermind i found it

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T83N9G

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so is it better now

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because i just got the money for my build so i was thinking about ordering it tonight

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:06 AM

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@pallid jacinth IF you have headphones that use 3.5mm (minijacks) a decent sound chip can definitely benefit you

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:07 AM

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ok

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thanks

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:07 AM

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What case is it all going in?

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:07 AM

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i got one that has 4 rgb fans in it its a rosewill case

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:08 AM

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as in, you already own it?

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:08 AM

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yea

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:08 AM

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okay

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next question

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why that GPU?

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:09 AM

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the Mr1111 told me to get it

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:09 AM

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as in, you could save a bit perhaps get a ssd that you wont be annoyed about shortly

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 12:09 AM

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The GPU seems good to me.

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:10 AM

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what is wrong with the ssd

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:10 AM

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size

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you are going to be hard pressed

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:10 AM

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what does that mean

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:10 AM

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what do you think the SSD does ?

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:10 AM

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it hold things like games

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:10 AM

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how big are the games you play?

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:11 AM

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i am switching over from console so i dont really have any games

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:11 AM

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what games do you think you might be playing?

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:12 AM

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like shooting games

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:12 AM

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yes...

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just throw out some names of ones you think you might want to play

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:13 AM

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rainbow six seige rarely fortnite umm maybe some cod

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i only play fort when i am really bored and my friend begs me to play

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:13 AM

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okay

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Fortnite is about 20-ish

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 12:13 AM

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siege is like 80

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Siege is about .. 80+?

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 12:14 AM

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76

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gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:14 AM

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fair

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now lets counts count in a fairly important part of the machine

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the OS

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 12:15 AM

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(and of course space to keep downloads, and extra space for later)

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:15 AM

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and congrats, you dont have space for anything else on the SSD

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120-ish SSD's are workable

#

this is true

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are they enjoyable to actually use?

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no

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:15 AM

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actually ill have the 256 one

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256g one

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:15 AM

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256 is much more reasonable :)

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:16 AM

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yea 🙂

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:16 AM

#

some of the cost of that, could be handled by going for the 2060 that is 310 usd

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because the actual difference between that and the one you have on your list is practially zero

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:17 AM

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so which one should i get

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:17 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rTpmP6/evga-geforce-rtx-2060-6-gb-ko-gaming-video-card-06g-p4-2066-kr <- this is an option

EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB KO GAMING Video Card

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:18 AM

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ok ill get that one

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:18 AM

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now, something else to think about

#

you could go with a slightly smaller mainboard

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same feature set as the one you have now, just a bit smaller

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:19 AM

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ok

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:19 AM

#

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y3prxr/asus-tuf-b450m-pro-gaming-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-b450m-pro-gaming

Asus TUF B450M-PRO GAMING Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:19 AM

#

will it look weird in my case

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:19 AM

#

thats the link for it

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that is for you to decide

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:20 AM

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would the mobo standoff be in the right spot for that

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:20 AM

#

i mention it, because from a functionality POV, there is no difference for you

#

the standoffs will fit

#

you can always go "smaller" in a case

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:20 AM

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ok

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:20 AM

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its the going "bigger" that is a physical problem :)

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:21 AM

#

yea

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:22 AM

#

and the main motivator for those two changes (GPU and mainboard) is to give you the budget to go with a bigger SSD, without raising your actual budget

#

if that makes sense?

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:22 AM

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yes that makes sense

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:22 AM

#

ultimately, it is ofc up to you

pallid jacinth Apr 10, 2020, 12:22 AM

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yea thanks for the tips

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 12:23 AM

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also @hollow thorn nice work on helping @pallid jacinth :)

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you are very welcome :)

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Thanks.

grim mica Apr 10, 2020, 2:33 AM

#

performance wise
i7 8700 vs r5 3600, which one is stronger

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 2:33 AM

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R5 3600

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UB is biased towards intel, but still rates 3600 over 8700

craggy light Apr 10, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Hi, I have a problem, I bought a motherboard and a processor from the site, but when installing it, there is no energy access for me, with confirmation of installation. Is the problem from the motherboard or the processor?

grim mica Apr 10, 2020, 4:18 AM

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pls specify the name

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if you just say so, we can't really help

craggy light Apr 10, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Ruzen 3600x and motherboard b450-f

grim mica Apr 10, 2020, 4:46 AM

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update bios yet?

rough citrus Apr 10, 2020, 5:27 AM

#

hey

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my head is in confliced

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conflicted about a update from 1700x to 3700x on x370 but few people said that if i use 3700x on x370 then my x370's VRM would have hard time to handle that much, and it will be very hot.

#

i guess i have to upgrade to x570 for best compatibly with 3700x then?

muted roost Apr 10, 2020, 5:46 AM

#

A b450 board can handle a 3700x just fine

craggy light Apr 10, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Come on, never work, no power

grim mica Apr 10, 2020, 6:16 AM

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@rough citrus you can just try

rough citrus Apr 10, 2020, 6:17 AM

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i have been seeing reviews on google. there are lots of reviews about comparing them on x370 to x570

long geyser Apr 10, 2020, 6:24 AM

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If that mobo cant handle a 3700x then it also cant handle a 1700x. Which unless you have a crumby board then that'd be hard to believe that the high end mobo (x370) of the time couldnt handle the high end CPUs of their time

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 6:35 AM

#

Msi b450 max board with 3800x? will this work out of box i keep sseeing things say it will but unssure what to do

tacit hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 1:35 PM

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If your refering to the tomahawk max then yes it would work out of box @last hemlock

lean crow Apr 10, 2020, 4:18 PM

#

I have a Asus H87M-E motherboard. GPU: GTX 1650 and CPU: i5 4430. I want to upgrade my cpu but I don't know what cpu to get that is cheap and good

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 4:21 PM

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https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/H87ME/HelpDesk_CPU/

ASUS USA

H87M-E CPU Support | Motherboards | ASUS USA

ASUS H87M-E motherboards feature the Intel® H87 chipset, packed with advanced technologies and great capabilities, including 5X PROTECTION, new UEFI BIOS, and Fan Xpert 2 for all-round durability and community-appreciated user experiences

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that is the CPU support list for the board

lean crow Apr 10, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I know the support list i just want a good and cheap cpu

gritty meadow Apr 10, 2020, 4:23 PM

#

then study the list

#

find the fastest part, see what the price is like in your local second hand market

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because none of these CPU's are still being made

#

they are all EOL

#

as a reference, yours is 4 cores at 3ghz, no HT

#

max is 4 cores at 4ghz, with HT

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 10:54 PM

#

Which B450 Max board would be best reccommended for a 3800x?

#

if anyone has input on that?

#

im thinking the tomahawk b450 max but wondering if any of the others would be a better option?

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Don't need max board

#

Asus b450m tuf pro

#

that one is ready for 3rd gen chips

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 10:59 PM

#

I am just wondering cause all ive heard is the max boards are bios updated outta box for it i dont wanna get ssomething that isnt updated already but this asus board is already updated for it?

mossy plaza Apr 10, 2020, 11:02 PM

#

I just updated my mobo and cpu to an MSI x570 with a Ryzen 5 3600. When trying to boot, my SSD won’t. It ends up going into repair mode for win 10, but even that is just a black screen with cursor. Should I be installing win 10 fresh or clone my drive? Not sure the easiest way here

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Prob fresh

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:14 PM

#

@hollow thorn so the asus board will suppport the 3800x out of box?

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Yes

#

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last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:15 PM

#

Can you send link to that please

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😄

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:15 PM

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https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-B450-PRO-GAMING/

ASUS Global

TUF B450-PRO GAMING | Motherboards | ASUS Global

TUF B450-PRO GAMING

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thats Asus' website lol

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-b450-pro-gaming/p/N82E16813119205?Description=TUF B450-PRO GAMING&cm_re=TUF_B450-PRO_GAMING-_-13-119-205-_-Product&quicklink=true

#

Correct board on newegg?

#

just gotta make sure lol

#

@hollow thorn

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Yes

#

wait

#

@last hemlock thats overpriced rn, higher than usual price

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

is there anywhere thats cheaper?

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-b450m-pro-gaming/p/N82E16813119224

#

This is the same board, slightly smaller, missing nothing the atx version has

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:22 PM

#

so that one has aall the same stuff just smaller and workss just as well? lol

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:22 PM

#

Yea

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:23 PM

#

so u would reccomend going with the micro

#

😄

#

ive never gone that route before but im willing to give it a shot

#

@hollow thorn what ram would you suggest

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:25 PM

#

G.skill ripjaw v 3600mhz cl16

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should be 85$

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for 2x8gb

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:26 PM

#

the board supports 3600? i didnt think i saw thaat it did

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:26 PM

#

the speeds depend on the cpu, not the board

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:26 PM

#

ahh so 3600 is fine then

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:27 PM

#

For example, if you go look at the MSI b450 gaming pro carbon ac, it prob doesn't say it supports 3600, while I'm running 3600mhz fine with my 3800x

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:27 PM

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ahh okay sweet

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https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232882?Description=G.skill ripjaw&cm_re=G.skill_ripjaw-_-20-232-882-_-Product&quicklink=true

#

correct product?

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:29 PM

#

no no

#

look for the cl16 kit

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#

this is the right one
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:30 PM

#

okay

#

cases dont really matter do they? lol i also hate that pc part picker keeps saying there could be compatibility issues lol

#

and psu probs only a 650?

#

@hollow thorn

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:35 PM

#

Case does matter for airflow

#

psu you just need to make sure it's a good pssu

#

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/

Linus Tech Tips

PSU Tier List 4.0

PSU Tier List 4.0 rev. 12.3 welcome to the brand new PSU Tier List! Created and maintained by @Princess Luna, @DatTestBench, @Stefan Payne, @GreatMasterAden, @Juular, @Elisis and @LukeSavenije Last Update: 09-04-2020 Tiering of various units is opinion based off reputable sour...

#

A or better

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:36 PM

#

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hWnG3C/cooler-master-masterbox-pro-5-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-mcy-b5p2-kwgn-01

#

this is case im thinking

#

would it work

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:38 PM

#

ehm

#

Doesn't look like it has good airflow...

#

GN doesn't have a thing on it either

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:39 PM

#

hmmmm im not trying to spend a ton on a case but i want something decent too

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:39 PM

#

Meshify C is good

#

a tad bit expensive but better than most

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

#

whats expensive?

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

#

Actually

#

meshify c is relatively mid range

#

Expensive would be like cm h500m

#

Fractal design meshify c is a good case tho

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:42 PM

#

okay

#

damn these psu are pretty pricey

#

lol

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:42 PM

#

Go for like amp

#

forgot the other good cheap one

#

This is also good
https://www.newegg.com/enermax-80-plus-erf650awt-650w/p/1HU-0042-000P8

last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:45 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/apex-ag-series-ag-750m-750w/p/N82E16817326004?Item=N82E16817326004

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would this be acceptab;le

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:45 PM

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no

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last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:45 PM

#

oi

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lol

#

is it possible to find anything a little cheaper then 110 lol

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i doubt it but just curious

hollow thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Yes

#

you can

#

Amp is usually 110$ lol

#

the one I linked is 110$ lol

#

https://www.newegg.com/enermax-80-plus-erf650awt-650w/p/1HU-0042-000P8

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as you can see the D.F is up there

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last hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 11:59 PM

#

is the stock cooler for the 3800x good enough

weak hamlet Apr 11, 2020, 12:04 AM

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if you don't plan to OC it yeah

last hemlock Apr 11, 2020, 12:17 AM

#

does the asus motherboard have aa v12 rbg header lol @hollow thorn

hollow thorn Apr 11, 2020, 12:21 AM

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I believe so

pallid jacinth Apr 11, 2020, 2:06 AM

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thanks for helping me yesterday i ordered my parts last night

pearl crow Apr 11, 2020, 5:23 AM

#

Asrock b450 k4 on sale for $90, should I get it? Thinking about either r7 2700 or r5 3600

finite elm Apr 11, 2020, 9:59 PM

#

So the pinned message with the motherboards, shows that the ASRock phantom gaming 4 mobo supports 4066+, 3466, 3200, and so on. But the website for ASRock also shows other ram speeds not listed there. Why is that? 🤔

gritty meadow Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM

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because it depends on bios versions

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and what cpu you have in it

finite elm Apr 11, 2020, 10:29 PM

#

Ah

split copper Apr 11, 2020, 11:40 PM

#

Are there any good options for an FM2+ board that aren't expensive?

#

I have an A8-7600 that I want to build around someday

#

It's possible the Lenovo board I have works with it with a reset or something, but I don't have thermal paste to set it up with, and the PSU it came with might be iffy

mild birch Apr 12, 2020, 2:39 AM

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@hollow thorn the rev D.F. is arguably the best value'd high end PSU I've seen in SOOOOO long

#

so yeah do agree

#

as for whether or not you need it: no

#

even a CX or PP11 would do

#

if you can afford it D.F., but realistically PSUs shouldnt be a particularily large purchase item

long geyser Apr 12, 2020, 2:41 AM

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I mean, Whisper was a bit better for that like 3 weeks it was in stock

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before human malware

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then that got oofed

mild birch Apr 12, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Whisper has been in stock for several months now. maybe not anymore

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its just that PCPP is stupid

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if you look for it manually you could find it back when people thought it was out of stock

long geyser Apr 12, 2020, 2:42 AM

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I did check outside of pcpp not long after it said it was out of stock and most options other then 850w or smth was out of stock

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but havent done a manual check in a while

mild birch Apr 12, 2020, 2:42 AM

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well its obv not in stock rn

thorny frigate Apr 12, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Will an am2+ cpu work in an am2 mobo?

pearl crow Apr 12, 2020, 3:14 AM

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@split copper hit me up, I've got three tested and working fm2+ boards

split copper Apr 12, 2020, 3:51 AM

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👀

split copper Apr 12, 2020, 4:07 AM

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I might be interested

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I need to focus on upgrading my working computers first tho

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Especially my brother's computer with an 8MB cache 5400 rpm hard drive 😔

split copper Apr 12, 2020, 4:54 AM

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https://www.newegg.com/jingsha-m-atx-a88matx/p/2MG-003B-00001?&quicklink=true wait does this thing have arrangement for an Intel cooler

muted roost Apr 12, 2020, 5:14 AM

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@thorny frigate yea but you’ll be limited to am2 specifications so it’s not ideal

mild hazel Apr 12, 2020, 9:50 AM

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I’m putting together a build and have a R3700x and asrock x570 taichi mobo. Was looking at the trident neo 16 kit but there are 3 different ones. What’s the difference. Any other memory with RGB you recommend?

muted roost Apr 12, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Look at the speeds and cas latency

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Also the normal trident z is pretty much the same for much cheaper

hollow thorn Apr 12, 2020, 4:35 PM

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@mild hazel Try to go for the 3600mhz cl16 kits.

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Also, when I bought my neo kit, it was cheaper than normal trident z rgb...

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For example, right now, they're the exact same price @muted roost

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mild hazel Apr 12, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Ok! I’m not in a rush so I’ll put both in a cart and see if the drop in price. Thank you.

tacit hemlock Apr 12, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Is there something that makes neo better than the normal kit?

slate seal Apr 12, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Looks better 👍

tacit hemlock Apr 12, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Just because it's white?

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You can't even see the sides when its installed

hollow thorn Apr 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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@tacit hemlock Theres no difference basically

tacit hemlock Apr 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Ok thought so

hollow thorn Apr 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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I like Neo's look better

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you can see it from above

tacit hemlock Apr 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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I have neo so I was wondering if I got something better

dry burrow Apr 12, 2020, 8:21 PM

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what's a good mobo that's gonna work out of the box with a ryzen 5 3600 available on newegg? was looking at the b450 tomahawk max, but it is out of stock

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same general price range

hollow thorn Apr 12, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Asus tuf b450 pro

cerulean nova Apr 12, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Its OOS too

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At least it was yesterday

dry burrow Apr 12, 2020, 8:50 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/msi-b450-a-pro-max/p/N82E16813144268?Item=N82E16813144268

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that will work with r5 3600 & 3200mhz ram if i'm reading it correctly yeah?

midnight chasm Apr 12, 2020, 10:14 PM

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yes

gritty meadow Apr 12, 2020, 10:44 PM

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@dry burrow always look up the manufacturers info

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always

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they are the ones you are going to blame if things dont work out as you want anyway

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because the seller can always legally clame that it was a misprint on their page

daring patio Apr 12, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Anyone, a good ryzen 7 2700x mobo?

dry burrow Apr 12, 2020, 10:57 PM

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@gritty meadow thanks for the advice so according to this page i should be good;
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-A-PRO-MAX

B450-A PRO MAX | Motherboard | MSI Global

Best AMD AM4 B450 ATX motherboard, Turbo M.2, USB 3.2 Gen 2, Core Boost, MSI PRO

gritty meadow Apr 12, 2020, 11:06 PM

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aye, if you check the cpu support listing, you will find that the 7B86vM0.zip bios version is needed for support of the 3600 cpu, and if you look at the bios download list, you will see that version as being the launch version. So yes, you should be fine :)

delicate bolt Apr 13, 2020, 12:35 AM

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so i've got an ASUS Prime b450M-A

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would i be alright if i were to buy 2 more 8 gig sticks of ram to have 32 8x4

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or should i just get a 2x16 kit

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i know the exact RAM to get anyway

hollow thorn Apr 13, 2020, 12:37 AM

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it would be fine to buy 2 more 8gb sticks

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nothing wrong with it

delicate bolt Apr 13, 2020, 12:41 AM

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aight

dusty roost Apr 13, 2020, 1:34 AM

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I've got a question if someone is willing to help. It might be a long shot but I'm curious. So I currently have a AM3 Motherboard with a AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core in it. I would like to upgrade but I think I'm going to have to upgrade my motherboard and everything in it besides my video card. Is there a way around this? or at least a cheaper alternative so I dont have to buy an almost entirely new set up?

pearl crow Apr 13, 2020, 2:40 AM

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@dusty roost unfortunately not, if you want a significant upgrade, you'd be looking at about $300 for an upgrade to a new platform (probably am4)

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r5 3600 + b450 motherboard + ddr4 ram will fit under about $325

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r5 1600af + b450 motherboard +ddr4 will fit under about $225

solar topaz Apr 13, 2020, 7:09 AM

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I've got a question if anyone can help. I tried upgrading my bios to my mobo but it shut off in the middle of it and now it won't turn back on no matter what I do. It's an Asus Prime x470-pro. Supposed to be crashfree bios but i have the original bios on the USB but it's not getting any power to the usb. It was before the bios update crashed. Tried putting the dvd in but that didn't auto restart the bios either. Taking the CMOS battery out doesn't work anymore either. Is this MOBO a brick now?

muted roost Apr 13, 2020, 7:15 AM

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If you don’t see a message on screen saying it’s in recovery mode you’ll want to contact Asus

solar topaz Apr 13, 2020, 7:41 AM

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Thank you I did, hopefully I can send it in with this COVID-19.

dawn basalt Apr 14, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Will Ryzen 4000 be the last processor compatible with the am4 Socket?

tacit hemlock Apr 14, 2020, 1:57 AM

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Yes

humble dome Apr 14, 2020, 5:26 AM

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hey guys, im looking to buy a new motherboard that is x570. im not that educated when it comes to motherboards. does anyone know a good x570 one that i can pair with my ryzen 2600, rtx 2060, and 16gb ddr4 3600mhz ram? in the range of around $150-ish

long geyser Apr 14, 2020, 5:27 AM

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x570... but only 2600 and 2060? but why

humble dome Apr 14, 2020, 5:27 AM

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like i said im not educated

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i just wanted something good

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do you have any good recommendations for a motherboard that i could get, though? doesnt have to be x570 if i shouldn't get one

long geyser Apr 14, 2020, 5:30 AM

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best to make a list on https://pcpartpicker.com/
Make sure to list what you have and havent purchased yet

Pick parts. Build your PC. Compare and share.

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It becomes easy to recommend what to do and where to go

humble dome Apr 14, 2020, 5:34 AM

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will this recommend me a motherboard based on my pc parts?

azure trail Apr 14, 2020, 6:02 AM

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can someone help a homie oc

long geyser Apr 14, 2020, 6:03 AM

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@humble dome a bit. But mostly helps with saying where you should put the budget into. An example would be a $95 mobo and $55 SSD as you have $150-ish to spend

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@azure trail #overclocking would probably help more

azure trail Apr 14, 2020, 6:03 AM

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I just noticed we have that channel

humble dome Apr 14, 2020, 6:30 AM

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ah gotcha

small urchin Apr 14, 2020, 8:07 AM

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Thoughts on this?

stiff kraken Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 PM

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hey guys, anyone know why there are question marks in the part number provided by thaiphoon burner kaithink

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trying to figure out exactly what kind of ram i have

hollow thorn Apr 14, 2020, 3:03 PM

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hwinfo might work

hollow basin Apr 14, 2020, 6:00 PM

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@dusty roost I'm planning on maybe doing the same as you. looking to be around 350ish right now. and thats with keeping my old ass video card and hoping my power supply is good enough

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no links from newegg here eh?

cerulean nova Apr 14, 2020, 6:45 PM

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@hollow basin you want to upgrade your cpu?

hollow basin Apr 14, 2020, 6:46 PM

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yeah man

cerulean nova Apr 14, 2020, 6:46 PM

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what do you have currently?

hollow basin Apr 14, 2020, 6:47 PM

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a phenom II 965

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from 08

split copper Apr 14, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Oo

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Nice

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My brother's computer has a 955

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They're decent CPUs

hollow basin Apr 14, 2020, 7:33 PM

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yeah, it's still running some stuff pretty well

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I even had a motherboard go bad a couple years ago and for whatever reason the one I replaced it with doesn't let me OC it very much

split copper Apr 14, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Oof

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Bro's is equipped with a Biostar TA790GX A3+

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It's great, but no USB or SATA 3

stiff kraken Apr 14, 2020, 8:13 PM

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@hollow basin what is your current gpu?

hollow basin Apr 14, 2020, 8:14 PM

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r9 270x 4gb

stiff kraken Apr 14, 2020, 8:14 PM

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if your gpu is really old it might be worth going for r5 1600af + b450 tomahawk max mobo + used rx 580 8gb for ~$290 total

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then when ryzen 4000 comes out you can upgrade

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if you don't want to upgrade cpu you can just go r5 3600 + some lower end X570 imo but you're gonna be severely bottlenecking your new cpu

hollow basin Apr 14, 2020, 8:15 PM

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oh ok. yeah I was gonna do that 2nd one

stiff kraken Apr 14, 2020, 8:16 PM

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i would personally go first path since you'll have a nice upgrade path from cheap but good cpu to higher end later

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rx 580 is still a very competent 1080p gaming card

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and since total is like $290 if you end up needing new psu it's fine

hollow basin Apr 14, 2020, 8:16 PM

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I'll look into it

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I guess I anticipated upgrading the video soonish too

stiff kraken Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 PM

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but yeah you can definitely go r5 3600 + X570 then save up money to upgrade gpu/psu later

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upcoming rtx 3000 launch will probably drop prices of older cards

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might be able to pick up something like a 1070ti very cheap after 3000 launch

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or a 2060 to get some of the newer features

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going r5 1600af + rx 580 would be a larger immediate upgrade for gaming

hollow basin Apr 14, 2020, 8:23 PM

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how long will I want to keep that rx580 around for though

stiff kraken Apr 14, 2020, 8:23 PM

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if your target is 1080p 60fps it'll last a while

hollow basin Apr 14, 2020, 8:24 PM

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I'm kinda at a point where I don't currently play much, since battlefield V sucks

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I went to try COD when it was free last week and it told me that my CPU was too old to even run it

stiff kraken Apr 14, 2020, 8:24 PM

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if you don't do much gaming right now then probably just go for the better cpu and wait until you start gaming again to upgrade gpu

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yeah your cpu might not support some newer instruction sets that are necessary for the game

hollow basin Apr 14, 2020, 8:25 PM

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I'd like to try Hell let Loose but I doubt it would run very well

stiff kraken Apr 14, 2020, 8:25 PM

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probably just go for r5 3600 + a lower end X570 board, i don't know a whole lot about X570 boards but i'm sure others here can help with that

hollow basin Apr 14, 2020, 8:26 PM

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k