cpus-mobo-and-memory

[gritty meadow]

there are the following differences

[tacit hemlock]

Let's say I wanted to get a little into the visuals :p

[gritty meadow]

85 vs 130 usd

[tacit hemlock]

I can make that difference

[gritty meadow]

the only thing that gives you is a better soundchip

that is it

[tacit hemlock]

What about wifi?

[gritty meadow]

no wifi

i said "gives you"

it takes away a wifi chip

[tacit hemlock]

Ok

[gritty meadow]

so add another 25-35 for a add-in card

[tacit hemlock]

Ya that's tuff

[gritty meadow]

but i would like to remind you of the following

i asked you: what is the budget for the cpu+mainboard

you answered 350-400

i fit cpu+main+ssd in that

so, please keep your own words in mind :)

[tacit hemlock]

Yes that Is true

So I might just have to look at the practicality aspect

[gritty meadow]

a "pretty" light in the case is not going to make a game run smoother

and if it is just the pretty lights you want, then i recommend that you buy a lava lamp

:)

[tacit hemlock]

Ya ik it's just a fun novelty thing

Lol good one

[gritty meadow]

it is a question of "want" vs "need"

dont confuse the two :)

[tacit hemlock]

The problem with that mobo you sent me is I have 6 fans plus a cpu cooler so, which I failed to mention in the beginning so that's on me and not your fault.

[gritty meadow]

you have a fan hub right now

[tacit hemlock]

It's a switch that came with the case that they all run into so I need to open the case to change the lights

[gritty meadow]

aye, a fan hub

(with added functions)

[tacit hemlock]

One of the upgrades I wanted was to be able to control all the fans with software

[gritty meadow]

you would have to talk with someone else then, i know close to nothing about rgb fans.

[tacit hemlock]

Rather than physically going in there and pressing a switch

Just a convience thing

[gritty meadow]

aye

[tacit hemlock]

Ok that's no problem you've already helped me tremendously

[gritty meadow]

however, doing it by software does not require you have 6 fan headers

[tacit hemlock]

Ya but It does require me to plug them into the mobo which i cannot now do

[gritty meadow]

it would be done by a fan hub like you have now, just one that can be controlled by software

[tacit hemlock]

Ya

[gritty meadow]

no, you go through a hub

that hub, via a single connection to the mainboard, enables you to control the fan colours

[tacit hemlock]

The hub does not connect into my board it all goes directly into the psu. The rgb switch is separate from the mainboard

[gritty meadow]

yes, for what you have "now"

[tacit hemlock]

That's also why I cant change the fan soeeds

[gritty meadow]

i am talking ahead :)

[tacit hemlock]

Speeds

Ah ok gotcha

[gritty meadow]

and the part i dont know anything about, is what exact model of fan hub you SHOULD buy

[tacit hemlock]

Ok

[gritty meadow]

because i dont have much of an interest in that area myself :)

but, that part is a simple addition

[tacit hemlock]

One last thing. Would you say theres a sizable performance difference between a m.2 and a sata ssd that I have

[gritty meadow]

depends on the sata ssd

model?

[tacit hemlock]

It's a sandisk 500gb

That's all I know about it... sry

[gritty meadow]

https://crystalmark.info/redirect.php?product=CrystalDiskInfo <- could you grab this

just the standard version

that can tell you what the model name is

[tacit hemlock]

Ah sry I'm not at my pc rn I'm on mobile

[gritty meadow]

ah

the m.2 is more of a "want" instead of a "need"

imo

[tacit hemlock]

https://www.newegg.com/sandisk-ultra-3d-500gb/p/N82E16820173353?&quicklink=true

This is my best guess at what I think I have

Ok gotcha

[gritty meadow]

chance of you noticing the difference is slim

[tacit hemlock]

Ok thought so

Well I thank you for all your help. I'm going to get some sleep and finish my pursuits tomorrow. I appreciate you spending time on my little learning session. :P

[gritty meadow]

best of luck :)

[tacit hemlock]

Thx

[gritty meadow]

as for the fan hub question, ask in #cases-psu-and-cooling tomorrow(or whenever)

[tacit hemlock]

Ok sounds good

Have a good night

If your on the east coast... :D

[gritty meadow]

nope, early early morning here in europe :)

[golden owl]

Guys I have a doubt

Which one is the best for gaming at 1080p ultra preset

Ryzen 5 3600 vs Ryzen 7 2700x vs i5 9600k

[floral jetty]

3600 beats 2700x

[fleet inlet]

FPS wise 9600K, 3600, 2700X

[floral jetty]

3600 beats 9600k by a hair

wow that's impressive, team red

[fleet inlet]

9600K beats 3600 no ?

[floral jetty]

ah wait yeah I switched

the 9600k wins in single thread

[fleet inlet]

yep

[floral jetty]

by 3%

[fleet inlet]

So before buying remembers cores, threads (Ryzen got more) @golden owl

but for pure gaming 9600K wins in single thread as Kuzu said

[golden owl]

Okay

[floral jetty]

(I'd still go newer ryzen, like bro cmon)

[fleet inlet]

yeah 3600 is great for the price

[floral jetty]

also the 9600k costs $43 more for that 3% gain

[golden owl]

But if I use ryzen 7 2700x then I also need a high end graphics like rtx 2080 ryt??

[floral jetty]

you don't need it

[golden owl]

Otherwise if one has high end and the other has low end

[fleet inlet]

it shouldn't bottleneck

[golden owl]

Bottleneck Means??

[floral jetty]

as far as games go they're pretty good at mostly relying on the gpu's performance

[fleet inlet]

to pair with a RTX 2080 I would get a 3600 though

[floral jetty]

with a 2080?!!!

no, 3700x

[golden owl]

How abt rtx 2060 super

With 2700x

[floral jetty]

That would probably be fine

[fleet inlet]

With a RTX 2080 i would pair it with a 3600 instead of 2700X, yes.

[golden owl]

Okay

[floral jetty]

if you get a 2080 go 3700x

[golden owl]

But @fleet inlet 2700x had got more cores

And threads

[floral jetty]

but older

[golden owl]

And 0.1 GHz extra

[floral jetty]

ghz =/= performance

[fleet inlet]

it's older gen

[floral jetty]

new amd has a smaller lithography, and updates to the architecture

[golden owl]

Hmm okay

But in many benchmarks I saw that the i5 9600k beated both of the ryzen processor

Even in fps

Though it got only 6 cores and threads

[fleet inlet]

If you care about FPS a lot 9600K is good choice

Also, OC potential, 'K' processor

But for extra Thread count = Ryzen

[golden owl]

Okay

Will i5 support 4k

And RYZEN 3600 ??

[fleet inlet]

sorry gtg

[golden owl]

Ok

Anyone

Any help for i5 9600 vs 3600

Which one is good for 4k

Which one is good for fps

Which one is good for video editing

[floral jetty]

if you're doing editing you'll want a ryzen hands down

and fyi literally anything will support 4k, doesn't mean it will run it well

[gritty meadow]

@golden owl the questions you have can all be answered with "it depends"

[long geyser]

@floral jetty @fleet inlet 9600k is a worse gaming CPU due to worse lows when compared to the 3600

[floral jetty]

ah, I suppose that is true

[gritty meadow]

new amd has a smaller lithography, and updates to the architecture @floral jetty <- a simpler way of explaining this (which generally makes people not ask questions they have no actual need for the answers on), is this: 3rd gen ryzen has higher IPC than the previous gens.

[shrewd jacinth]

Building my first build so looking to go big (have built a new pcs before) was gonna go for a 2070 super and a 3800x but just found a 3900x in brissy for 600 seems like a hell of a deal

All in aud

Brissy is about 1 and a half hours away from me

👍

[safe gale]

Hi guys, I'm looking for the best laptop refurbished/used mainly for web surfing and bookkeeping, maybe light gaming, for around $200 or less. I'm thinking Lenovo but when it comes to mobile processor I'm not sure what is good or bad. Can anyone please recommend good cpu's (Intel and AMD) that I should be looking for in a laptop for the purposes I mentioned?

[cerulean nova]

@shrewd jacinth what are you using the pc for?

[tropic nimbus]

i might go with the 9600k with a 2070

[cerulean nova]

I would go for the 3600

[long geyser]

9600k has no real pros, not even in gaming. The 3600 has better lows compared to the 9600k

Also that 2070 better be $400

unless it's a 2070S, which is $500

[cerulean nova]

^

[tropic nimbus]

@long geyser just a reg 2070

still deciding tho

[naive pendant]

and there's some crazy ryzen discount at microcenter rn too. 3600 for 150$, 3600x for 180$

[shrewd jacinth]

@cerulean nova Gaming with a side of videoediting/ streaming But the deal seems like a no brainer 3800x is 550 and the 3900 was 600 (second hand unopened)

ik when you go to the 3900 you start to lose some of that gaming performance but it would be alright aye

[crude path]

dont forget at micro center you get an additional 30 bucks off cpu if you buy a mobo too

[shrewd jacinth]

Im in australia

[crude path]

oof

i dont think you need to go that high tho but i wouldnt buy second hand on something like that cause no return policy

[gritty meadow]

@shrewd jacinth for that price (that you talked about) the 3900 makes sense

[shrewd jacinth]

@crude path idk how it works over there but ita unopened comes with warranty and receipt

@gritty meadow thats what i thought

[crude path]

from a store?

[shrewd jacinth]

No

[crude path]

from a person like off fb or craigslist or something?

[shrewd jacinth]

Yu0

Yup

Ill find you the ad

[crude path]

but see thats sketch cause, why wouldnt they just return it to get full money back then

[shrewd jacinth]

You cant in au once its been 30 days

[gritty meadow]

different consumer laws @crude path

[shrewd jacinth]

Or even if the seal is slightly damaged

[crude path]

weird

but okay

as long as it comes with warrenty

[shrewd jacinth]

Same thing with my ram wanted to return it hasent been 30 days but the seal was slightly open (like if someone opened it and put it back in) and they where like nope

[crude path]

OOF

woops caps

[shrewd jacinth]

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/chermside/components/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/1240117757

@crude path ^

[crude path]

yeah i saw. idk im skeptic about second hand high cost parts lol but if you trust it, go for it.

[shrewd jacinth]

Au isnt like the us

You can usealy always trust in the seller

[gritty meadow]

limited amount of space they can run away in :)

[shrewd jacinth]

Ahaha

Depends how you look at it

[gritty meadow]

aye, i know, and i am sorry for that one, but it was a wee bit too tempting

[shrewd jacinth]

Nah mate got a chuckle out of it

You could also just drive 24 hours out west and you wouldnt be found also

(From the east coast)

[vocal flax]

I got a question, is there any way for me use argb fans when I only have a 12V rgb on my mobo. I have a b360-h gaming with coolermaster 120R ARgb fans\

[shrewd jacinth]

Not that im aware of @vocal flax But you can just buy a controler like the commanderpro

[naive pendant]

@vocal flax just buy aorus

[hoary cedar]

An i5-9600k is compatible w/ any z390 mobo out of the box, correct?

[naive pendant]

@hoary cedar yah

[hoary cedar]

okay sweet

[naive pendant]

@hoary cedar btw aorus have the best overclocking potential

[gritty meadow]

no

just no

[naive pendant]

for its price

[gritty meadow]

no

[hoary cedar]

Don't need much oc potential.

Just going to go with a cheap z390, as the budget is tight.

[gritty meadow]

how many of your parts have you purchased already @hoary cedar ?

[flint portal]

is a 3600 a good upgrade over a 4th gen i5

[ionic pewter]

yes, that would be a huge improvement

[dusty hollow]

Ryzen 5 2600 current cpu, is there a huge difference between that vs the 3000 series

[quaint current]

I’d hold of until ryzen 4000, 2600 is still a good cpu

[hollow basalt]

Just setup a mobile streaming rig R5 3600, 32gb 3200 ram, and a 2060 super for the nvenc encoding. It will be for streaming and onsite quick video edits. Pics to come.

[delicate bolt]

nice

[naive pendant]

you guys know any nice white x570s?

[main pulsar]

asus makes one that has some white on it

but other than that, no

the asus prime

[naive pendant]

oof

was gonna make a full white build

are you able to buy heatsinks for x570s or nah

because a full cover white one would be fine

[main pulsar]

nah

however

if you look hard enough, you might be able to find a completely white msi b450 board

[naive pendant]

thats the problem

i want 3600mhz ram

[main pulsar]

so?

[naive pendant]

b450s need overclocking to support that

[main pulsar]

so does, literally every board in existence

any clock speed that isnt JEDEC spec of 2133mhz is an overclock

so

the term O.C. on motherboard product pages indicate the seppd at which the board is not guarenteed to run

so if b450 supports 2933mhz, but 3000mhz is an "overclock"

it means that they guarentee the board will run 2933mhz modules

[naive pendant]

what are some other color schemes then

[main pulsar]

but it might not work with 3000

[naive pendant]

because alot of the parts im getting are going to need painting if i do white

[main pulsar]

well, i should say, they dont guarantee 3000mhz to work

like what?

the only thing that i can think of that isnt white are the hdds

which are hidden

back to the oc thing, the motherboard isnt the limiting factor for ram overclocking, its the ram itself.

[naive pendant]

oh

i finna just do black/white

[main pulsar]

so, dont even worry about it

thats fine

[long geyser]

@naive pendant no, the IMC (integrated memory controller) is on the CPU, not mobo

so on Zen+ b450 is rated for 3200, but Zen2 b450 is rated for 3466/3600 depending on board

[main pulsar]

buuuut, almost every board in existence will get those modules up to 3600 anyway

regardless

[naive pendant]

bet i finna just buy a ddr4 am4 board made in 1985 then

[main pulsar]

lmao

[long geyser]

glhf

[main pulsar]

look, whats your budget, i will piece together an all white build

sounds like a fun challenge

[naive pendant]

like

2600-3000

[main pulsar]

omggggg

thats enough for an epic white build, i kno just the parts gimme an hour

what sites do you wanna buy components from?

[naive pendant]

amazon and newegg

i already chose a cpu and graphics card tho

graphics cards are EZ to paint

[main pulsar]

which ones

[naive pendant]

like 3070/ti and 4700x

[main pulsar]

ya, but the msi ventus x is already white

um

[naive pendant]

well 3070 ain't out yet bro

[main pulsar]

those parts arent out yet

[naive pendant]

yeah

[main pulsar]

if you want a successful build, ask us the day you plan to purchase

[naive pendant]

once both 4700x and 3070/ti are out

[main pulsar]

alright then, come back then

well, any reason why u want those parts

[naive pendant]

i just want help with all the other parts

[main pulsar]

in particular?

[naive pendant]

doing 1440p144hz and possibly 240hz once its affordable

[main pulsar]

well, we cant help you with the other parts, when we have no experience with parts that arent out yet

[naive pendant]

i mean like mobos

[main pulsar]

once again, i have no idea

[naive pendant]

only things im buying that aren't out yet are the cpu and graphics card

everything else im buying current gen

[main pulsar]

x670 could be half the price of x570

[long geyser]

prices change over time in general

[main pulsar]

ryzen 4000 could work best with 4400mhz ram

in these cases, you lose out big time

[naive pendant]

at that point i just OC it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yBb2b8

this is what i came up with

just most parts turned white

[main pulsar]

so its best to wait for the parts to release, and for reviews to be out.

[naive pendant]

oh remove the p400s

[main pulsar]

and that list will be mostly outdated in a month

and even more so when ryzen 4000 launches

this is the nature of the pc building market

[naive pendant]

oof well thanks for your time

[main pulsar]

np

make sure you come back when ur ready to buy tho, some one will gladly help

[long geyser]

dont get TN panels with that budget

[main pulsar]

lmaoooooooo

^

[naive pendant]

im trying to keep it under 4k

but yeah hopefully IPS panels will be cheaper

[long geyser]

If i were to buy now it'd kinda be this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MxdjNq

[main pulsar]

yeah

basically that

but you could get all white rams

but thats just preference

[dusky flicker]

Funny thing is that the 2080 ti is almost 1/3 of the price

[main pulsar]

wdym

1053 is not a third of the cost

[safe gale]

Hi guys, I just bought a Dell latitude 3350 and I don't know a lot about laptops. Does anyone know if the cpu is upgradeable? It has an i3 6006U. I want something with more power if possible

[main pulsar]

no it isnt

the ram might be upgradable, and the ssd or hdd definetly is

[safe gale]

Ok thanks @main pulsar

I picked it up for only $100 on LetGo app from a neighbor. It's like brand new condition. Not even a scratch on it. Ni signs of use wear and tear. He said he got it for school and rarely used it.

Ram upgradable to 16 gb 2400mhz ddr4. Has M.2 slot and sata ssd slot

[fleet inlet]

Any vague estimation dates for Ryzen 4xxx ?

[naive pendant]

nope but the new one is in 2 days at $3990 USD

@fleet inlet

i dont want to think about a 4000 series

[fleet inlet]

What costs 4K USD ?

[naive pendant]

the new amd threadripper

just read the updated article

[fleet inlet]

Oh, well TR are always pretty expensive

4K USD though...

[naive pendant]

the amd ryzen threadripper 3990x

[fleet inlet]

64C128T

[naive pendant]

about to post screen shots

[fleet inlet]

Who would need that ?

[fleet inlet]

This ThreadRipper release won’t affect Ryzen 3rd gen prices though

[naive pendant]

2.9 base speed per core(64 cores), wtf

[fleet inlet]

64 cores though

[naive pendant]

yes with EACH being 2.9 base

and mines a quad at 2.2

[fleet inlet]

Haha, threadripper things you know.

I wonder who would really use this CPU at its fullest

Like NASA rigs

[naive pendant]

NASA, NSA, FBI, CIA

government pretty much

put still, when your CPU is 9/10s the price of your computer....

also, the amount of cooling you'll need

and the minimum RAM too, I bet it doesn't have a max, but a minimum RAM

[naive pendant]

honestly 3990x and little brothers more intended for big movie production with after effects {my job} 3d rendering and CAD work @fleet inlet @naive pendant

[quaint current]

But it beats any of intel single mobo configs, at less than a quarter of the price

[naive pendant]

price really don't matter in segment since it's pocket change compared to software cost @quaint current

[quaint current]

but I mean if your a studio buying 20 of them, would you rather spend 400k and get less performance or 80k and better performance

[naive pendant]

i agree with you its price is not really looked in studio markets its how much faster one product is compared to other

plus most firms have IT admins who take care of seeing which product is next investment for studio

[oak sand]

Hey is the G.Skill Ripjaws V 3600 good for a ryzen 5 3600?

[hollow thorn]

Yes

[long geyser]

The CL16 one, yes

[oak sand]

Yes the cl16 one

Its such a good deal tbh

85$ for that is a steal

[hollow thorn]

Mhm

It's usually 85$ price 2$ shipping tho

Bothers me a lil

[oak sand]

Yeah

[main pulsar]

Newegg shipping is like 3.99, right?

[oak sand]

I had like, 76$ of shipping for some stupid reason

For 4 things on newegg

[main pulsar]

Oof

[hollow thorn]

I don't remember

All I know is that it's usually free

[oak sand]

Not for me☹

[hollow thorn]

The shoprunner thingy

[dusty hollow]

This is the current mobo I have should I upgrade it?

Have had it around 3 years

I got it cause I was on a budget but I was wondering should I get a new one for future support

[hollow thorn]

dont switch yet

[dusty hollow]

Okay

[spiral glen]

Msi z390 gaming edge how many fans can 1 CPU fan header run?

Pwm

[hollow thorn]

@spiral glen you can run more with splitters.

[dusty hollow]

@hollow thorn is there a reason why I shouldnt switch

[hollow thorn]

@dusty hollow I don't believe it's worth changing Mobo because AMD is only going to support socket AM4 for 1 more year, and they're moving to socket AM5 or smth after 4th gen ryzen

Well support is going to be there they're not going to drop their later CPUs on AM4

[dusty hollow]

thanks!

[dusk oracle]

Good chance AM4+

cause of their record of always adding + at the end of their sockets

[ionic fable]

is this a good mobo?

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-X570-PCIe4-0-Realtek-Motherboard/dp/B07SQJZDTX/ref=sr_1_9?crid=148DLIM0565SS&keywords=x470+motherboard&qid=1580927502&refinements=p_n_feature_seven_browse-bin%3A10656895011%2Cp_n_feature_six_browse-bin%3A2057506011%2Cp_n_feature_eight_browse-bin%3A16955296011&rnid=16955292011&s=electronics&sprefix=x470%2Celectronics%2C187&sr=1-9

[dusk oracle]

and even for Zen3 there would be no point to upgrade to anything else

Box is the Gigabyte master so

[weak hamlet]

I have that board.

lots of people got bad reviews on it for being DOA

but honestly, I haven't had a single issue with mine.

[fair vessel]

Gigabyte has good hardware but crappy software

There's a pinned doc in this channel, see if that helps

[weak hamlet]

I like neweggservices pin

😄

[oak sand]

Same

[sturdy lion]

RGB does give quite a performance boost... much better then stickers at a lower power consumption

lol

[crude path]

woops wrong chat

[ionic fable]

i have a auros m and it only has two spots to plug in fans so was thinking about upgrading or changing it so i can have more fan slots in my tower

[hollow thorn]

@dusk oracle I'm just saying am5 bc a bunch of companies are going against their usual naming schemes, including AMD. Like how its Zen, Zen+, Zen2, Zen3.

[dusk oracle]

Well companies would also make more money if they were to make a board that is AM4/AM4+ just like what they did with FM2 and AM3

[gritty meadow]

@hollow thorn that naming scheme that you mention is like that because of the internal progression

[hollow thorn]

Naed, but Zen+ was just a refinement of Zen, like how Zen 3 is just refinement of Zen 2

[gritty meadow]

no

think of it like "expected" impact

[misty belfry]

the next Zen2+ or Zen3 is going to be on AM4, then AM5 comes next

right?

i've heard Zen2+ is going to be a thing for the next CPU rollout

and it probably will run the same hardware as zen2

[long geyser]

It'll be Zen3, but afaik think about it as Zen2+

[misty belfry]

oh so they've got the audacity to call it Zen3

haha

[quaint current]

im pretty sure they just wonked zen+ and are gonna just use 3,4,5,6,etc

[blissful dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh2XYkRwtBQ

[granite river]

you can buy pins on ebay and slap it XD

[magic valley]

I've done that.

But i dropped it in my motherboard.

And bent the motherboard pins...

[dusty hollow]

when ever my pc boots all my fans rev up is that normal?

[crude path]

do they go back down?

i believe all fans will run at max during initial start up. happens on my pc and its not an issue

[dusty hollow]

@crude path yeah they do

i was just wondering lopl

lol

[crude path]

yeah its fine lol.

[wide bone]

I know the r5 3600 is a better chip, but is the 2600 still good? I want to build a pc in the next few months because I’m tired of the slow laptop life. Like my laptop has a r3 2200U and anything will be an upgrade coming from that

[urban ferry]

2600 is a fantastic processor

[spring terrace]

the 2600 and 1600af are both great

just avoid the first gen ryzens

the 1600af is zen+ , its just a recycled 2600

it is a bit cheaper

[long geyser]

first gen is fine tho. Zen+ barely brought any perf boost, just a better IMC

and better PB

[scenic kayak]

Are MSI MoBo’s trustworthy, I’ve heard some aren’t, and I don’t want to spend 150 on a bad MoBo

[long geyser]

Some are, some arent

need to be much more specific then that

[verbal crown]

MSI's X570 boards have bad VRM

at least the Gaming Edge and the A Pro boards do

[scenic kayak]

I’m looking at the B450

[verbal crown]

ah

[scenic kayak]

The pro carbon ac

But I don’t think I need the WiFi chip though, and that’s the main reason for getting it imo.

Would it be worth it to downgrade to the tomahawk/ a different brand?

[verbal crown]

Have you considered the MSI B450 Tomahawk?

[scenic kayak]

Very briefly

[verbal crown]

which CPU did you plan to get?

or prospecting?

[scenic kayak]

The ryzen 7 2700x, I’m trying to do some engineering work/ gaming

[verbal crown]

technically both boards would work great with the 2700x

[scenic kayak]

Technically?

[verbal crown]

the Tomahawk just offers better cooling on the VRM's so kinda is more future-proofing in case you ever wanted to OC or upgrade CPU in the future

but if you aren't going to OC (and on a 2700X it's really not worth it), then either boards would work out nicely

I know because I have a 2700X myself

[scenic kayak]

So are MSI boards trustworthy?

[verbal crown]

yeah, every brand makes good and bad ones

MSI's b450 are well designed in my opinion

MSI's X570s are awful

some are

[scenic kayak]

Is there any easy way to tell which are good and which are bad?

[verbal crown]

hate to say it but you kinda do have to just watch some videos of benchmarks being performed

hang on a sec...

[hollow thorn]

there is a sheet

for telling how good a mobo is

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1137619-motherboard-tier-list-v2-currently-amd-only/

[quaint current]

here's the VRM one

we need to pin it cough cough mods

[hollow thorn]

(image you cant see much)

[quaint current]

i just have it somewhere on my desktop

[hollow thorn]

Pin the mobo tier list? ;)

afterall they pinned the ltt PSU tier list

[verbal crown]

I really like that VRM spreadsheet

[hollow thorn]

Yea I dont have mine on-hand

[quaint current]

just be too lazy to move it like me :v

[verbal crown]

@scenic kayak Honestly just based on that, as long as you dont get the Pro M2, you should be fine

A while back the YT channel Hardware Unboxed did a top 5 B450 MoBo's I think you might like it

[violet wolf]

should I keep r7 2700 or go for r5 3600 ? need some advices pls

[gritty meadow]

do you currently own a 2700?

[violet wolf]

yes

[gritty meadow]

are you currently limited by what it can do?

[violet wolf]

hard to say, does r5 3600 give better performance ?

[gritty meadow]

yes and no

one is a 8 core/16 thread cpu, the other is a 6 core/12 thread cpu

[oak sand]

Wow

[main pulsar]

Yep

Wow

[oak sand]

First consumer 64 core cpu

[main pulsar]

Tbh, drop one of these in a HPC server

I mean, it probably destroys an epic server chip

[oak sand]

This would be the best at running minecraft

[main pulsar]

Just with less pcie lanes

[oak sand]

Thats exactly it

88 instead of 128

[main pulsar]

I think Minecraft uses like 4 threads now

[oak sand]

Lol yeah

Epyc* btw

Intel is in trouble in the workstation front

[main pulsar]

Yeah, I typed epyc, but autocorrect

[oak sand]

Ah

Amd already had no competition

With intels chips being twice the price for less performance F

[main pulsar]

Intel will be back soon

[oak sand]

Eh

They gotta go lower than 14nm to compete

[gritty meadow]

yes/no

[oak sand]

All depends on the workload

[main pulsar]

I guarantee their process after their failing 10nm will be designed with chiplets and high core counts in mind

Thats almost guaranteed

[oak sand]

Remember when the 2700X was the best ryzen chip?

OoF

[main pulsar]

What's oof about that?

[gritty meadow]

88 instead of 128 <- since when?

[main pulsar]

It was an amazing chip

[gritty meadow]

3990x is a 64 lane chip

[main pulsar]

Especially for amd

[oak sand]

Pcie lanes

[gritty meadow]

yes, and as i said, its a 64 lane cpu

[main pulsar]

I dont even see where it says pcie lanes

[oak sand]

"AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3990X Processor ... An unprecedented 88 total PCIe ® 4.0 lanes to meet large GPU and NVMe needs."

[gritty meadow]

something if off there

[oak sand]

Sorry

[gritty meadow]

it is "supposed" to be a doubling of the 70x

[main pulsar]

That might be including the ones that come with the chipset

[gritty meadow]

hm

[main pulsar]

Idk

[gritty meadow]

aye, they have to be

[oak sand]

The epyc has 128 tho

Doubt it will actually effect most people

[gritty meadow]

yes, because epyc has double the IO

88 is not a "clean" number

[oak sand]

I know

But dont know why its 88

[main pulsar]

If the sTRX40 has 32 lanes, and the bus between the CPU and chipset uses 8 lanes, that gives 88 lanes

[gritty meadow]

where is that slide from?

[oak sand]

LTT

[main pulsar]

Looks like an ltt vid

Lol

[oak sand]

They got early access

[main pulsar]

I mean, those specs are kinda obvious for the most part

[oak sand]

Only 4 memort channels compared to the epycs 8

[main pulsar]

I could've done that math

Yes, we already know all that

[gritty meadow]

and that fits what i said about double IO

[oak sand]

Mhm

280W TDP

Thats a powerful chip

[gritty meadow]

that is just like the 7002 (tdp that is)

[oak sand]

7742?

[gritty meadow]

sorry, the 7H12 model that is

[oak sand]

Ah

Yeah still

That takes more than most gpus

[gritty meadow]

7742 is 230 or something like that

[oak sand]

Idk

10,00 more r20 than 3770x

This is a monstrous cpu

Turbos to 4.3ghz max

[gritty meadow]

bah, that part is not the fun stuff

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15483/Power.png <- this is

[oak sand]

Wow

[gritty meadow]

power use per core

[oak sand]

So many cores

[gritty meadow]

when everything is running, it just a small 3-ish watt

per core ofc

[oak sand]

If you think about the per core power draw is quite low

[gritty meadow]

no, not quite low

[granite river]

cute

[oak sand]

Compared to 6 cores with 95w tdp

[gritty meadow]

stupidly low

[oak sand]

The most it takes is like, 5

[gritty meadow]

https://puu.sh/F88zz/1e403e6f31.png <- compare to this

as i said, stupidly low

[oak sand]

Yeah

Its bottlenecking the ssd they have

[gritty meadow]

"losing" 400mhz but running at less than half power/core ? THAT is fun

[oak sand]

Very

This is truly an amazing cpu

Its destroying every benchmark thrown ar it

[oak sand]

Intel is sad

[quaint current]

bruh this thing

[oak sand]

For real

[granite river]

intell still keep their

+ghz

[oak sand]

Yes but less than half cores

[granite river]

yup

[oak sand]

All depends on workload

But at like 6000$ less does it matter?

[granite river]

xD

[oak sand]

I dont think it does tbh

[gritty meadow]

hm, what OS are LTT using?

[quaint current]

win10

[oak sand]

Windows

[gritty meadow]

yes, which version, because pro tops out at 64 cores

it starts splitting stuff at that end of things

[quaint current]

gotta wait for tech jesus’s to see all the data :/

[oak sand]

@quaint current lol yeah

[quaint current]

idk I think he mentioned something about it but I just skimmed it

[oak sand]

Probably enterprise or something

[gritty meadow]

if they are NOT using pro-for-workstation OR enterprise

their numbers are low

[oak sand]

Yeah

They are probably using pro

Ooh they are gonna sub zero chill it

[granite river]

xD

[oak sand]

Thats gonna be fun

Im such a nerd

They are running og crysis off just the cpu

And its at like 40 fps

[main pulsar]

Lmaooooo

[oak sand]

I saw someone on the pcp forums

No budget

Deep learning and workstation pc

Custom watercooling

[gritty meadow]

racks

racks is the answer to that

[oak sand]

But, there arent gpu blocks for rtx 8000

And they had 2

[gritty meadow]

there are blocks for everything.

[oak sand]

Nope

Search it u0

[main pulsar]

I'm gonna be honest, I wish I had a workload that justified this cpu

[gritty meadow]

it it just a question of asking a vendor to make it.

[oak sand]

I heard ek has one

But you have to contact them for it

[gritty meadow]

if there truly is "no budget" the tooling price would not matter

[oak sand]

True

But the current price is 48k

[gritty meadow]

that is still pocket change

[oak sand]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hY4M4n

There are so many things wrong but

[gritty meadow]

gah, no comment.

[oak sand]

I dont know much about stuff this good

Or custom cooling

And it makes me sad because seeing this build done would be so beautiful

The waterblock for the 3970X is as much as my mobo

[gritty meadow]

racks, racks solves this

in a much cleaner fashion

[oak sand]

Wht is that sorry idk

[gritty meadow]

server racks

[oak sand]

Ah

Yes

[gritty meadow]

take your hardware, stuff it in a 3U /4U chassis, throw enough fans in there that you can make a windtunnel jealous

place said rack with machine in a different room

be happy

[oak sand]

But they want a ton of rgb

If you cant see xD

[gritty meadow]

no, they want reddit points

[oak sand]

You really like shaming redditors

Some people just want their 50k pc to look good

[gritty meadow]

performance first

[oak sand]

But its valid, in a professional workspace you cant have rainbow barf

[gritty meadow]

you can, but the other servers wont care

[oak sand]

Lol true

[subtle fox]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/505629/amd-ryzen-5-2600x-36ghz-6-core-am4-boxed-processor-with-wraith-spire-cooler

[harsh hawk]

jesus

[hallow star]

Would you rather have 64gb but with 3600 or 32gb with 4266 ?

[atomic sandal]

Cas latency?

price points?

I have a technical question for anyone who can answer this... I have a Gigabyte X470 gaming 7 and looking to rock 2 HDDS,2NVMEs,1SSD.. How will this saturate my bandwidths?

Also, if I choose to go 3700x upgrade will i be able to take advantage of all of the pcie lanes running it with gen3?

Currently holding a 2700x to update bioses and wondering if it will be worth going 3700x+

[hallow star]

So the 3600 as a cas latency 18

64gb

629

Usd

[atomic sandal]

$629 is wayyyy to high

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232904?Item=N82E16820232904

you could buy two of these kits 3600 cas 16 and use the 64 for a better price

Also, there really isn't an advantage going over 3600mhz even with Ryzen from what I understand

[hallow star]

32 GB is the same cas

[atomic sandal]

Price?

32GB wins in that ballpark but most motherboards will not come close to supporting 4266

you might want to checkout your manual

[hallow star]

479

[atomic sandal]

There are better deals out there or are you set on these two kits?

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232904?Item=N82E16820232904

these g.skill memory is hard to beat

[hallow star]

G skill in general? I was more looking for rgb black kinds , I typically go with corsair because they are my favorite brand which is why these prices are high

Which I did find a lot cheaper too. Probably go the g skill route

[atomic sandal]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232861?Description=3600mhz cas 16 g.skill\&cm_re=3600mhz_cas_16_g.skill\-_-20-232-861-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232906?Description=3600mhz cas 16 g.skill\&cm_re=3600mhz_cas_16_g.skill\-_-20-232-906-_-Product

2 more kits same speed and should be way cheaper on you, fit closer to your color schemes

[hallow star]

G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C16Q-64GTZRC https://www.newegg.com/product/N82E16820232915?m_ver=1

All the above are way cheaper

[atomic sandal]

That is a good option

[hallow star]

Which is nice

[atomic sandal]

Plus you get the 64GB

[hallow star]

I was looking at the corsair dominator before wonder why the prices are doubled

Is there anything special for the dominator series?

[atomic sandal]

They're highly known in the PC world is all and people like to flex with them.. Nothing special

Majority of the time they will not even benefit your Argb connection to manufacturer motherboards as they are controlled via their own softwares

Supply and demand thing I guess.. beats me

[hallow star]

Gotcha

[atomic sandal]

Meh.. maybe a little bit better at overclocking(Benefit of the doubt)

I have a technical question for anyone who can answer this... I have a Gigabyte X470 gaming 7 and looking to rock 2 HDDS,2NVMEs,1SSD.. How will this saturate my bandwidths?
Also, if I choose to go 3700x upgrade will i be able to take advantage of all of the pcie lanes running it with gen3?
Currently holding a 2700x to update bioses and wondering if it will be worth going 3700x+

Thoughts?

[main pulsar]

eh, the 2700x is good enough

you wont see a big enough difference to justify paying 350 to get a 3700x

as for storage, your hdds and ssd will use sata ports

and your nvme will use either 2 or 4 lanes each

[atomic sandal]

So does it drop my GPU connection to gen2?

[main pulsar]

so your gpu and one nvme closest to the socket will use 16+4 lanes

the second nvme will use the 4 off of the chipset

[atomic sandal]

ahh, thank you! Appreciate it!

[main pulsar]

but, all your devices will still run at 3.0 speeds

[naive pendant]

Which mobo is better

Gigabyte b450m ds3h

Or the msi b450m pro-vdh max

Can someone help me with my problem with my Ram I’m having

What is it

@naive pendant

So When I try to put my ram sticks into dual channel it won’t boot but when I put them side by side it boots what should I do

Which mobo is better

Gigabyte b450m ds3h

Or the msi b450m pro-vdh max

[main pulsar]

Whatever is cheaper

@naive pendant

[naive pendant]

Ok

Thank you

[buoyant relic]

Does anyone know what motherboard supports the 3600 that has up to date bios?

[main pulsar]

The motherboard listing will tell you

Most more expensive b450 and x470 boards will have the updated bios

Like in the $110+ range

[gritty meadow]

wrong and right @main pulsar

it is simply a case of stock at retailers

[main pulsar]

That's why I said the motherboard listing will tell you

[gritty meadow]

as a new bios gets written, it will be flashed on any product from that point on

motherboard listing doesnt tell you about the age of the stock

[main pulsar]

Usually it's a selling point for a board, so retailers will advertise it as such

[gritty meadow]

hence why i strongly encourage people to email the shop and ask

yes, when you get to X amount of money for a product, it becomes a selling point, but that does not exclude the ones that are below that in price from being just as capable

[long geyser]

Also depends on IMC from CPU

[gritty meadow]

@long geyser the context escapes me, elaborate.

[long geyser]

@gritty meadow I was thinking about RAM, not CPU. But was talking about Integrated memory Controller

which seems like CPU is being talked about

[gritty meadow]

cpu support, which has nothing to do with imc

oh well, as long as it made sense for you when you posted it :)

[long geyser]

I constantly get confused with 3600MHz RAM and R5 3600

So yeah, that's fun

[gritty meadow]

hey, as long as you are having fun :)

[long geyser]

Yep. Totally, fun

[gritty meadow]

see, there you go, you are having so much fun that the fun cant even stand right

[long geyser]

Yes. Im sure that's the case. I like your positivity

[gritty meadow]

or sarcasm

whatever fills the void

[long geyser]

yeah

[unkempt dome]

so i have the amd wraith cooler on my ryzen 5 2600 (besides the point, just context), and i was thinking of adding another 8-16gb of ram. only problem is, when i look at my motherboard, it seems as tho if i was the get another pair of g.skill ram sticks, it wouldnt fit

the cpu cooler seems to be too close to the closest ram slot and im curious why

[main pulsar]

idk, try putting one of you current ram sticks where you want to install one

do a test fit

[gritty meadow]

@unkempt dome that would be very weird if the stock cooler blocks the ram slots

[unkempt dome]

it doesn't block it, but i feel like if i put a ram stick there it'd be touching the cooler

[gritty meadow]

unless you have a very big heatsink on the ram, it shouldnt

even if there is 0.5 mm between, it will be fine

[unkempt dome]

hmm

okay

[fervent lagoon]

I've used Wraith Prism in ITX build. There's just big enough of an gap to fit ram well

[misty belfry]

i'm wanting to use a wraith spire, i've been using a hyper T2 but it doesn't cool the VRMs

[naive pendant]

i'm probably gonna buy the z390 maximus 11 gene

[naive pendant]

Cheap motherboard?

[cerulean nova]

For what cpu?

[naive pendant]

Amd

I’m doing an and build

[cerulean nova]

I would get the b450m pro4 if it's a budget build

Assuming you live in the US, it's one of the cheapest b450s that is actually decent

But is you are getting like a 3700x I'd get the tomahawk max

[naive pendant]

B07R7Q3JZH

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant BX80684I39100F <- this was the number i was looking for :)

and yes, that one is the Box variant

so it should have a cooler included

and depending on your noise tolerance, you dont absolutely need a new cooler

[naive pendant]

Ordered 👌🏻

[frank falcon]

friend is going for a new CPU. Hes thinking about the newest gen AMD vs the i9 9900k. Which one would you say he should get?

[naive pendant]

Will the r5 3600 work with the b450 tonahawk max ?

Tomahawk*

[devout moth]

ALEX#9965 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[gritty meadow]

@frank falcon gaming?

[frank falcon]

yeah

mainly gaming but also light schoolwork

[gritty meadow]

then amd is the logical choice [edit: then]

[cerulean nova]

yes @naive pendant

[naive pendant]

Okay, thank you!

[umbral valve]

is a 2600x + tomahawk max + 16gb ram for 250 usd good?

[oak sand]

@umbral valve you dont need the max

And depends on ram speed

[umbral valve]

3200mhzc16 rgb

i don’t want an a pro max or aorus pro wifi

[oak sand]

Is it a microcenter deal? Or what

@umbral valve

[umbral valve]

yea

aorus pro wifi is $80 but the tomahawk max is better for like $7 more

[oak sand]

Why is the max better?

The aorus pro wifi has a good souncard, and wifi

"Vrms" wont really massively benefit a 2600x

[umbral valve]

but gigabyte bios sucks right

is the sound card better than the tomahawk max

i mean it’s rgb too

what about the heatsink

[warm berry]

Didn’t gigabyte massively overhaul their bios or is that just for the new boards

[umbral valve]

wait no max was $15 more

[gritty meadow]

yes, the soundchip is better on the aorus, but the b450 aorus pro wifi is not 80usd (unless that is an instore price for microcenter)

[umbral valve]

yea microcenter

@oak sand

[gritty meadow]

just to make certain, we are talking about "Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI" right?

[oak sand]

Yes I believe so

The bios is fine

[gritty meadow]

exact model names matter for this, hence why i ask.

[umbral valve]

yes

and tomahawk max

[oak sand]

The tomahawk max is pretty much for the 3000 series, or thats its main selling point

[gritty meadow]

tomahawk max has a horrendous soundchip, this is fact

the one thing the max has, which the aorus doesnt, is a ps/2 port

https://asset.msi.com/resize/image/global/product/product_2_20190704114825_5d1d7709df781.png62405b38c58fe0f07fcef2367d8a9ba1/1024.png

https://static.gigabyte.com/Product/2/6635/2018070416314586_big.png

[oak sand]

Oh nooo

I can't plug in my keyboard from 1998

[gritty meadow]

it is a feature that matters for some

[umbral valve]

does microcenters deal end today

what’s a ps/2 port

doesn’t the max have a usb c too

i’ll ask my parents and if they really wanna save the $15

[split copper]

PS/2 is great cause then you don't have to populate USB ports

[umbral valve]

cause they didn’t want me to use wifi cause that’s what they use

what’s ps/2?

[oak sand]

Its for old keyboards

And mice

[umbral valve]

people say the soundchip is good enough for an average headset

[split copper]

Serial port for keyboard/mouse

[gritty meadow]

people also think that gamer headsets are good for music

[split copper]

Oof

[gritty meadow]

but i have to ask, this machine is that for their use only?

[umbral valve]

?

[oak sand]

Are your parents using it

@umbral valve

[umbral valve]

oh for me

they said i get ethernet and they use the wifi

cause it’s fiber optic or whatever

[oak sand]

Ok

What games r u playing

And what are you targeting(res, fps

@umbral valve

[umbral valve]

1080p 120-144hz

[oak sand]

U got a list?

[umbral valve]

yea

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kYMmmg

[oak sand]

Send

Did u already buy that stuff

[umbral valve]

yea

how much of a difference is the gaming max and tomahawk max

is that not a good deal

[long geyser]

both Tomahawks arent good unless you want to OC or get a 3900x. If not for the VRMs that board would be overpriced for what it is. So unless you plan to goto a 3900x or smth the Tomahawk is a bad deal

[umbral valve]

wdym both tomahawks @long geyser

and then if they’re bad which ones good for a 2600x

idk what’s so bad about it

@long geyser i asked between gaming max and tomahawk max lol

[long geyser]

For example, sound chip

Gaming max, Tomahawk max, etc

not that great on them

same with non max

[umbral valve]

but the sound chip won’t matter that much with mid tier headphones or apple earbuds

is that the only thing bad

soundchip?

[long geyser]

M2 slots, RGB headers, 16x PCIe lanes, WiFi, USB 3.0 slots are somethings you lose by going tomahawk

vs say Gigabyte Aorus Pro WiFi for $110

[umbral valve]

it’s $80 if microcenter still has deals

tomahawk has usb a and c tho

i only need one m.2

i mean rgb headers probably not

don’t know about pcie

[long geyser]

both have 1x 3.1 type a/c. tomahawk has two 3.0 type a and two 2.0 type a. Aorus has four 3.0 type a

[umbral valve]

lemme see if microcenter still doing the sale

[long geyser]

If it's $80, then that's good. But at the standard $110 - $115 the tomahawk is only good for VRMs

as in mildly OCed 3900x

[crude path]

if you have micro center near by, go there. they price match and usually are beating out amazon and newegg. plus if you need to buy a mobo and cpu, you get 30$ off for doing that too

[umbral valve]

tomahawk max is 94.99

aorus pro wifi is 79.99

microcenter price matches but they have the lowest deals

do u know when the deals end @crude path

[crude path]

i do not but theyve been going a while.

they dont always have the best deals, but usually do.

[naive pendant]

microcenter keeps alot their deals going on for long time

[umbral valve]

do u think that i should save the $15

[crude path]

and price match is a plus.

[umbral valve]

if it does end like a day after u think they’d still do sale policy

[crude path]

are you getting a cpu too?

[umbral valve]

i’ve gotten one but i bet they’d let me get the $20 off if i show the i bought one from microcenter

[crude path]

id go with hei's recomendation he pretty much knows what hes talking about.

i dont think they do that deal retroactively.

hei knows more than me lol.

[umbral valve]

i mean i could order now and then do a pickup and then like a trade in

[naive pendant]

on deal its has be when purchase both

[umbral valve]

i just thought tomahawk max was a good choice

[crude path]

i mean i doubt you will have any trouble with the tomahawk max if everything is stock but if you want to OC then you gotta worry about other things

[umbral valve]

i’m probably not gonna oc anything

[crude path]

iunno if you're set on it, get it.

if you're worried about it, get the other one.

mobo doesnt actually matter that much imo if everything remains stock

i buy my boards based on how many pcie, and what other features it has. so like my current has 6 pcie slots, 2 m.2, etc etc.

[umbral valve]

i’m worried cause a lot of people say the aorus pro is probably better

does gigabyte bios suck

[crude path]

ive never used gigabyte bios

i currently have the asus x470 somethin or other and its pretty nice.

[umbral valve]

i’ve heard it does i just don’t know

[crude path]

it was 110 at micro center.

[umbral valve]

what does pcie x16 mean too

[crude path]

its like the gpu size pcie slot

usually mobos will have 2-3 pcie x16 slots

mine has 3 of those and 3 of the x4

its just the size of the slot

[long geyser]

Gigabyte BIOS isnt horrible. Their organization isnt the best so people say it sucks

but they still have all the features one should need

[umbral valve]

what are vrms

[long geyser]

AsRock tho has both a bad organization and misses some features apparent;y

[umbral valve]

everyone always mentions them

[long geyser]

voltage regulator modules

[umbral valve]

what they do

[long geyser]

basically, power delivery to component x (CPU, GPU, memory, etc)

[umbral valve]

why are they useless unless it’s a mild oc 3900x

[long geyser]

It's mostly that most boards in the Tomahawk price range cant do a mild 3900x OC because their VRMs and/or VRM cooling isnt good enough. So the VRMs will overheat

or get to uncomfortable temps

[umbral valve]

so then vrms are useless for a 2600x

[long geyser]

yeah

well, "useless"

[crude path]

but if he doesnt want to OC he should be fine right?

[long geyser]

of course you still need them

but you dont need to worry about them when buying a mobo with a 2600x

[umbral valve]

i knew i should’ve got the pro wifi

[long geyser]

but, if you do plan to upgrade in the future, 3 years or so when 3900x is (probably) cheap

[umbral valve]

i just saw the tomahawk and knew it was good

[crude path]

oh did you already buy the tomahawk?

[umbral valve]

in 3 years will my pc even be relevant?

yea

i can go back tho

[crude path]

yeah it will

[long geyser]

tomahawk has a good reputation because of the BIOS flashback and ease of upgrading BIOS, plus being a cheap board to handle a 3900x

tbh no real reason to go back. It isnt horrible

[naive pendant]

^

[crude path]

pc parts generally last about 5-6 years in relevancy

spec wise

[umbral valve]

i could save $15 if they allow it

[long geyser]

If you dont need the extra stuff I said about the Aorus, kinda just an annoying hassle to deal with

[naive pendant]

i would listen to hei he knows what talking about

[crude path]

lol i said that earlier

[umbral valve]

so i should or shouldn’t go back

[long geyser]

@naive pendant wow, you have regular and rookie role

you must be special

There isnt a huge need to go back. Tomahawk is still good enough for many. But if you want the extra stuff that I mentioned then it could be worth it. I'd say on average biggest point most people would like would be the WiFi

[umbral valve]

my parents said i shouldn’t get wifi cause the fiber optic is for them and i get ethernet

what’s a bios flash back

sorry for all the questions

[long geyser]

you can update the BIOS without a CPU

[umbral valve]

oh

[long geyser]

so get a b450 that doesnt support 3x00 series, but then get a 3x00 CPU. You are kinda going through a hassle to get a CPU that can work with the mobo

[umbral valve]

oh

[long geyser]

That isnt as big of an issue now as most b450 is updated out of the box anyways

[umbral valve]

also, u said pcie x16 or whatever

does tomahawk not have that

[long geyser]

It has two, Aorus has three

nothing much as most people wont use two, or three

but something to consider

[umbral valve]

microcenter has a rma and doa policy right

i’m assuming yes

ok since i have all three things should i install them on the motherboard or wait and do it all at once

[long geyser]

three? CPU, mobo, what else?

[umbral valve]

ram

[long geyser]

yeah, test it asap

[umbral valve]

i think i got them for a good deal

how do i test it without anything else tho

i could go test it at my friend‘s lol

[long geyser]

if you ever get a DOA it gets annoying if you push off the testing
As for that you'd probably want another computer as you need a GPU/PSU for proper testing. But with just a PSU you can make sure that there arent and post code errors (doesnt really help with actual posting tho)

[umbral valve]

i’ll probably get my other parts before the 30day return policy ends

also can i but any type a in 2.0 or 3.0

last question lol

just looks like there’s 5 usb a

[long geyser]

you can, but if you say plug a 3.0 USB stick into a 2.0 port, it'll run at 2.0 speeds

[umbral valve]

ohh

the numbers are speed related

ok

thanks

love you

oh wait one more but it’s kinda psu related

psu+motherboard

[long geyser]

glad to know I am loved

[umbral valve]

the corsair cx says it doesn’t have like the extra 4 pin connector for an extra like 12v

ok nvm i refreshes and it went away wtf

love you love you love you

[long geyser]

So basically that is to do with the mobo having a 8+4 pin for CPU power deliver for "cleaner power" or whatever. Basically a lie. The 8 pin EPS connector (CPU connector) supplies 300w of power by ATX spec (technically could go over that, but not recommended). No AM4 CPU takes that much power

So a single 8 pin will always be enough unless like LN2 OCing or smth of sorts

[umbral valve]

oh ok

so basically since you told me the tomahawk wasn’t a terrible choice compared to the aorus pro wifi then i feel good

[long geyser]

yeah

[south wind]

is there any 2x 8 gb sticks clocked at 3200 for a good price