#cpus-mobo-and-memory | Newegg | Page 91

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:09 AM

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but easy answer is that your on a dead platform. any upgrade from where you are will require new motherboard and cpu

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your ram will move into any modern board though so you have that going for you

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z370 and z390 are also 1151 but intel locked out the ability to run older cpu's on those boards.

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Ah

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I did not know that

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Do now

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:13 AM

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z170 and z270 support intel 6th and 7th gen. There are hacks for some of those boards that you can use to get 8th and 9th gen to run on them, but they also require joining certain pins and blocking other pins as well as bios modification that is a bit beyond what the average user would be able to do.

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:15 AM

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here is a big question then

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well big for me

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if i went AMD would i have to do anything special for hooking up and reading on the GPU and SSDs?

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and will the ram connect up to that

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:16 AM

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gpu and ssd will move over

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are you on windows 10

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:16 AM

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yeah

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:16 AM

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retail or oem ebay license

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:16 AM

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I recently went from Core i5 to AMD without reinstalling. It's possible with a retail license

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:17 AM

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retail

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well it was when win 7 gave the free upgrade to 10

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or what ever that last OS was

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:19 AM

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I have never tried to move a windows 7 upgrade to another system but with retail windows 10 its easy to move. usually doesnt require a reinstall. Ultimately its up to microsoft though. Usually if you try and activate and the automated system doesnt work you just give them a call and they will give you the numbers to enter and make it work.

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:19 AM

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ok

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Link Windows 10 to a Microsoft Account

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Makes things SOOOOO much easier

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:20 AM

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if anything, i have disc on my phone, ill be back for help if i do a upgreade and hit snags lol

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:20 AM

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ya, with mine I call the number and it texts me a link that takes a picture of the activation screen and spits out the numbers I need to activate

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:21 AM

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whats the diffrence in the 9900s?

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the 9900k, kf, ks

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and at that price should i just go 3900x?

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:22 AM

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9900k has a couple of revisions. the regularly 9900k has the original version and the new R0 stepping. the Kf is a 9900k without integrated graphics. the ks is the 9900k but with all cores boosting to 5ghz.

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:22 AM

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got you

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:23 AM

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basically intel has been having issues with making enough chips so they started selling the ones that had non functional graphics, and the ones that binned as running all cores at 5ghz got held and are being sold for more money.

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I like the amd chips personally, but they are still having some teething issues. primarily boost clocks and ram running at xmp speeds without needing some tweaking

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Yeah, they don't hit full boost clocks for sure

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:26 AM

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intel is great if you have the money for a 9900k

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for gaming

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:26 AM

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looking around its like $750 min for a CPU and mobo combo with the 9900k

ocean blade Dec 31, 2019, 3:30 AM

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elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:30 AM

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oh noes!

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taht's not good

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how did that happen?

ocean blade Dec 31, 2019, 3:31 AM

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Long story short a bent pin caused this, works fine as far as I can tell(?)

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:31 AM

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whats a good and not bank breaking board for a 9900k?

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:32 AM

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So lucky that processor works fine

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:32 AM

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did you fix the pin

ocean blade Dec 31, 2019, 3:32 AM

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Yes

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elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:33 AM

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@versed coral https://www.amazon.com/MSI-PRO-LGA1151-Gigabit-Motherboard/dp/B07J6Z9KJ2?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_6

ocean blade Dec 31, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Is it dead for overclocking

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:34 AM

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if it works, it works

ocean blade Dec 31, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Would you guys reccommend even trying it?

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:34 AM

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those things have a tremendous amount of ground and power pins. most of the ones in the same general area all touch the same plane so usually unless its one of the pins that is part of the memory controller or the pcie lanes you dont have issues

ocean blade Dec 31, 2019, 3:34 AM

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so it's just paranoia knowing what's under the pins and what it looks like

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Pretty much

ocean blade Dec 31, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Really

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:34 AM

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if it works, it's fine

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:35 AM

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you may find at some point that you have a ram slot that doesnt work if it was part of the memory controller

ocean blade Dec 31, 2019, 3:35 AM

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It hurts because it's an 8600k but it's a little relieving to know it's mostly in my head

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doesn't Intel show the pin layout on their website?

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:35 AM

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@elfin warren what about the z390 gaming pro carbon from MSI?

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:36 AM

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thats a couple of pins. glad it didnt break anything

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:36 AM

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That's a good board also

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:37 AM

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they don't show pin layout that I have seen. I know at one point buildzoid was sanding down an intel cpu trying to figure out what some of the pins are

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but you get big sections of the cpu, like 40 or 50 pins all together that will be power, or ground. if you get bent pins in those areas it doesnt hurt anything

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its unsettling though

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big issues come when ground pins touch power pins if they get bent

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thats usually ded

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:40 AM

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sorry to pester, but whats the diffrence in the Z390 and the B360 boards KEKW

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:42 AM

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z390 boards allow overclocking and work out of the box with 9th gen cpus. also they have the best vrm designed for 9900k's. b360 has no overclocking limited to 2666 ram I think, and not really meant for high end cpu's

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b360 is a cut down z370

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:42 AM

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thanks

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:43 AM

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b365 is the successor to b360.

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https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Intel-Coffee-Lake-LGA-1151-Pin-Configuration.jpg

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Srsly

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Looks like it's in the Reserved section

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Or VSS

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which is in a block

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:45 AM

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there is a pinout. looks like the area you got vcc pins

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but I would have to count and thats too hard

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 3:45 AM

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I just guesstimated

sharp blaze Dec 31, 2019, 3:45 AM

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same

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no its vss

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I counted

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 3:51 AM

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looking into the 9900k and MSI Pro carbon mobo

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Pog NEWEGG HAS A BUNDLE FOR CHEAPER

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but its the tomahawk board

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anyone have concerns about that? i know its legit the most popular board in the AMD side with the B450

ocean blade Dec 31, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Didn't expect you to pull up the chart but appreciated, I'm gonna give it to a friend who doesn't mind as they probably will just run it stock for gaming because I'd feel bad selling it off even if I told the buyer about damage

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 7:06 PM

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what are the diffrent pieces of a CPU called?

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 7:07 PM

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WDYM

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Like cache? Core?

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 7:07 PM

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like for instance

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looking at an i9, the silver plate that thermal paste normally goes on with the writing on it telling you the CPU specs. Whats that called?

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 7:08 PM

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IHS

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heat spreader

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Integrated Heat Spreader

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 7:08 PM

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and the gold contact points going into the socket

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whats that?

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also is there anything needed to be asked if looking in a used market at a CPU for concerns on people selling

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long story short

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Used Market? Pics of the LGA

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 7:10 PM

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i found another 9900k for sale for $300 said like new but used

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Ask why they upgraded and where it came from

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 7:10 PM

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thats what im doing

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just thrown in a loop on why changing from a 9900k only thing i can think of better honestly is maybe the ks or going threadripper

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so im very skeptical, just didnt know part names to ask the questions lol

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oh whats the LGA?

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Land Grid Array, bottom of the processor

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check for defects

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 7:12 PM

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ah

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 7:12 PM

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9900K are known to have bulged IHS

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 7:12 PM

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like from the pic yesterday

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 7:12 PM

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To get best cooling you need to lap them

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 7:12 PM

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lap?

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Yeah, sand it down to be flat

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https://bjorn3d.com/2009/09/lapping-the-cpu-ihs/

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versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 7:14 PM

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RIP

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sanding down something like that would give me a heartattack lol

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 7:15 PM

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I can understand that

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But it works really well

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 7:15 PM

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dose it make that much of a diffrence?

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 7:15 PM

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10+C yeah

versed coral Dec 31, 2019, 7:15 PM

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wow

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im waiting to hear back with some hopeful answers, thanks for the insight and help

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 7:18 PM

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YW

formal notch Dec 31, 2019, 8:56 PM

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So I'm looking to upgrade RAM, would this be the best at the price point? CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model CMK32GX4M2K3600C16 https://www.newegg.com/product/N82E16820236544?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 8:57 PM

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FI that's for an AMD build yes, but the cooler isn't needed for the extra money

formal notch Dec 31, 2019, 8:59 PM

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It is for a 3800x build and the cooler didn't see like a huge upcharge

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Yeah, for CL16 in that quantity that's not bad

formal notch Dec 31, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Thanks for the 2nd opinion

elfin warren Dec 31, 2019, 9:05 PM

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YW

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It's comparable to other sets

hollow thorn Dec 31, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Well its a bit expensive

daring patio Jan 1, 2020, 1:44 AM

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is i5-9600K worth it, or should i get something from AMD

oak sand Jan 1, 2020, 1:44 AM

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I say AMD

daring patio Jan 1, 2020, 1:44 AM

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any equalvilents?

oak sand Jan 1, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Yh

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The ryzen 7 2700/2700x

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Ryzen 5 3600/3600x

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Maybe a bit worse but cheaper

daring patio Jan 1, 2020, 1:46 AM

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k i'll use that

oak sand Jan 1, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Note: the ryzen 5 3000 series need x570 motherboards which are more expensive

daring patio Jan 1, 2020, 1:49 AM

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i'll use ryzen 7

meager scarab Jan 1, 2020, 1:50 AM

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Ryzen 3000 doesn't need X570 mobos

oak sand Jan 1, 2020, 1:51 AM

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Well, for efficient overclocking

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You could instead get a MSI with Max in the name

daring patio Jan 1, 2020, 2:04 AM

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k guys

dense cedar Jan 1, 2020, 3:14 AM

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B450 tbh

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good b450 boards can take a 3900x

naive pendant Jan 1, 2020, 5:09 AM

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New year new me, massive upgrade from what I had before

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crude path Jan 1, 2020, 5:34 AM

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is that 256 mb ddr2?

dense cedar Jan 1, 2020, 6:52 AM

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or amd

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for more price/performance

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Oh

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Hm

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well

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I'd say the 9400f

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but idk much about intel chips

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and how they all compare to eachother

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for amd?

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2700x

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or normal 3600

broken hazel Jan 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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3600 is better for gaming and the 2700 is better for streaming

dense cedar Jan 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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with a good b450 mobo

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like the tomahawk or rogstrix f

broken hazel Jan 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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i would say the b450 tomahawk or the b450 tomahawk pro if you get the 3600 do the pro

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like 115

dense cedar Jan 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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ye

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both of those are in that range

broken hazel Jan 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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it might have changed a bit but there very good amd budget boards

dense cedar Jan 1, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Can't go wrong with neither

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depends

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2700x will save you like 30 bucks

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do you live near a microcenter

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I can make you a list if u want

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ye

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alright

broken hazel Jan 1, 2020, 6:59 AM

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if i where you i would go for a bit of a cheaper case and put the extra money towards something else

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ill show you a nice case

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https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811553033

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yeah and i can send you a link for faster ram if your going for ryzen

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nope

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https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232742?nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=11552995&PID=8504176&SID=&cjevent=cb3efd9b290211ea80e1002d0a24060c

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with amd cpus you want like 3200 minimum speeds cause the faster ram the more performace but with intel you can go for a bit slower ram

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its not pretty looking but it does the job

dense cedar Jan 1, 2020, 7:11 AM

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that latency on those is pretty bad

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3200 cl16 would probably be similar to that

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you'd want to keep tighter timings than that

broken hazel Jan 1, 2020, 7:20 AM

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but at the same time its only 65 bucks

long geyser Jan 1, 2020, 8:10 AM

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3600 CL19 sucks

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over CL18 on 3600 RAM you go out of sync with the IF

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Spend the extra $10 and get RAM that can OC well to 3466 or 3600 CL16
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gLGxFT/crucial-ballistix-sport-lt-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-bls2k8g4d32aesbk
Or spend the extra $15 to get RAM that is 3600 CL16
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jBZzK8/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gvkc

tranquil ice Jan 1, 2020, 9:05 AM

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New build using Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mobo. I have tried multiple BIOS versions but cannot gain RGB control via the Fusion 2.0 or Ambient LED applications. I understand the RGB software and control is lacking, but at this point it's literally not working at all. Looking for any suggestions before I start the return process. TIA

elfin warren Jan 1, 2020, 10:29 AM

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@long geyser that's not how IF on AMD works. Only related to RAM speed, not timings. Not arguing about the CL19, that is indeed poor RAM. Also, with gear down mode enabled, it will run at CL20 rather than CL19.

naive pendant Jan 1, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Guys im hella dumb but whats a good motherboard for a r5 3600x?

restive wedge Jan 1, 2020, 8:50 PM

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MSI B450 Max, B450 Tomahawk those kinds of things.

naive pendant Jan 1, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Okay thanks man

strange saffron Jan 2, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Hello! I bought an AMD A6 6600k, does anyone have any suggestions for a CPU Cooler, I bought the CPU used and it didn't come with the cooler.

gritty meadow Jan 2, 2020, 2:41 AM

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@strange saffron guessing it should be fairly cheap?

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considering the 65tdp and the 74c coremax temp of that cpu. something like the deepcool gammaxx 400 should be plenty

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it is not a pretty cooler, but it should do the job

crude path Jan 2, 2020, 3:07 AM

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@strange saffron do you mean a8-6600k?

zealous patrol Jan 2, 2020, 3:50 AM

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Hey guys my 3600x at idle is h itting 40-60 celcius at idle

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is that normal or should I tinker the fan curve?

shy wyvern Jan 2, 2020, 3:53 AM

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That's pretty high. Anything above 45 is high got an idle

daring edge Jan 2, 2020, 9:51 AM

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I know this isn’t a trouble shooting chat but could someone help me right fast with a problem I’m having with a fresh build?

meager scarab Jan 2, 2020, 10:25 AM

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What's up

restive wedge Jan 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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So I've had this issue for over a week now. Like 90% of GSkill ram sets have sold out in the UK, and I don't want to order from the US because of import fees on top of the nightmare returning will be. There is very little in the way of 3600 Mhz CL16 ram left.

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So my options are, all 2x8gb kits, £100 for Crucial ballistix elite from the Amazon Warehouse (used - like new), £136 Gskill trident z neo from a very dodgy Czech company, or G skill ripjaws V for £166 from Amazon

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Is it worth just biting the bullet and paying the 166?

crude path Jan 2, 2020, 3:28 PM

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How much ram you got now?

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If you have good ram I’d wait til things go back in stock

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But idk the uk market so idk if that’s a good price of not

restive wedge Jan 2, 2020, 3:30 PM

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UK prices are the same as US. I.e something costing $700 always costs exactly £700 here. Difference is that £1 is $1.30 so it costs 30% more.

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Not usually worth importing either because 20% VAT on imports and the shipping usually isnt cheap either

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And it's essential I get this ram.

crude path Jan 2, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Well then if amazon is an easy return for you I’d try that

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Otherwise I’d look for a tech store nearby and see what they have in stock. I can get 16gb 3200 for 80 bucks over here. 60 if it’s still on sale

restive wedge Jan 2, 2020, 3:42 PM

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3200 is no problem whatsoever

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But for my 3950x, I want 3600 C16 specifically.

crude path Jan 2, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Not sure about the cost of 3600 over here tho

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Try amazon and hope for the best, if not, return it

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If you’re fine with that risk

restive wedge Jan 2, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Yeah its pretty risky going for amazon warehouse

crude path Jan 2, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Yeah but in my experience Amazon is also the easiest online retailer to return to. But again it may be diff in the uk

daring edge Jan 2, 2020, 4:17 PM

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@meager scarab I have an MSI x570 mpg gaming plus mother board. I was getting an LED error light for my CPU so I replaced it with a new CPU. Which solved that problem. But now the other 3 lights are on for boot, vga, and ram. Any ideas on what I could have done wrong?

elfin warren Jan 2, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Possible power issue or bad motherboard. Those lights indicate that none of the items are detected

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Could also be a CPU issue still if the pins got bent and it's not POSTing

smoky egret Jan 2, 2020, 4:48 PM

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I went through two CPUs and mobos with my build before realizing I had a PSU issue. If you have access to another PSU, maybe borrow from a friend, test that

elfin warren Jan 2, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Yeah, there are ways to test it also. Jumper the green and black wire with a Paperclip on the 24 pin connector, unplugged from the motherboard. That will turn it on and you can see if fans, etc spin

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https://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Power-Supply

wikiHow

Check a Power Supply

The power supply is often forgotten when it comes to diagnosing computer problems, but testing your power supply first can save you a lot of troubleshooting headaches down the road. If your computer experiences Blue Screen of Death...

long geyser Jan 2, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Or, also just mentioning what model it is can determine whether it's good or not. As a note tho, I'd return the MSI x570 gaming plus for a better mobo if you want to go thro the hassle. It really isn't a good x570 board. MSI done goof on almost all of their x570 boards

inner oar Jan 2, 2020, 6:26 PM

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What are some good x570 boards? Excluding high end.

smoky egret Jan 2, 2020, 6:27 PM

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ASUS TUF Gaming and Gigabyte Aorus Elite

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Those have the best VRMs

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ASRock Steel Legend isn't bad either

inner oar Jan 2, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Had someone on Reddit recommend getting a b450 Max.

elfin warren Jan 2, 2020, 6:28 PM

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TUF WiFi gaming is the best sub$300 board

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Quality and feature wise

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The other two are great also

inner oar Jan 2, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Is there a meaningful difference between Intel and realtek LAN?

elfin warren Jan 2, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Not really, unless you want to get super nitpicky

long geyser Jan 2, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Prime P

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That's another good board, no wifi tho

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$150 tho, one of the cheapest x570

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And funnily enough, is one of the best in cheap/cheap-ish boards

inner oar Jan 2, 2020, 6:31 PM

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WiFi is kind of a must right now for me. Hardwire is not available throughout most of my house.

smoky egret Jan 2, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Definitely get the TUF then

long geyser Jan 2, 2020, 6:32 PM

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How much is the tuf? Might be worth getting add in card

elfin warren Jan 2, 2020, 6:33 PM

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$189 AC1200 wifi

long geyser Jan 2, 2020, 6:33 PM

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So could save a small amount. But meh, not worth it probably

elfin warren Jan 2, 2020, 6:33 PM

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It's intel m.2 wifi also

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with bluetooth

misty belfry Jan 2, 2020, 8:53 PM

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it's fast as hell, i have similar wifi on my board

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if it would just arrive already

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maybe tomorrow

raw linden Jan 2, 2020, 9:47 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-2700/p/N82E16819113498?Item=N82E16819113498&cm_sp=homepage_dailydeals-_-p1_19-113-498-_-01022020

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oh yeah

misty belfry Jan 2, 2020, 10:32 PM

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i could've afforded that but i already bought my 2600X

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oops

naive pendant Jan 2, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Wait so what's the difference between 450 and 570?

meager scarab Jan 2, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Main difference is pcie 4.0 support

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X570 generally has better vrms, more power phase and such for overclocking as well

elfin warren Jan 2, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Also more features

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dual M.2 that don't take SATA lanes

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more sata ports

meager scarab Jan 2, 2020, 11:50 PM

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But you can still expect decent overclocks on low-mid-range cpus on 450

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Woah really X570 has m.2's that don't take sata

elfin warren Jan 2, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Yes

meager scarab Jan 2, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Did not know that's p cool

elfin warren Jan 2, 2020, 11:51 PM

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WIth a 3000 series Ryzen

naive pendant Jan 3, 2020, 12:18 AM

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...My desktop is so ancient pretty much for anything upgradable, even the best options are already nearly obsolete; Sandy Bridge i5 3.3ghz on a H61 mobo, Fermi (GTX 465) GPU, non-ssd hdd - I’d like to start upgrading it a part at a time so my best guess @ a solution would be some sort of m.2 adapter to pci-e slots or Sata, and some sort of gpu compatible with the latest dx, OpenGL, and OpenCV specs but the nVidia gpu’s seem to be all way above an affordable price range and I’m not at all familiar with the current AMD models. —Any recommendations?

pastel monolith Jan 3, 2020, 12:19 AM

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CPU RAM and MOBO will all have to be at the same time and your biggest expense all other parts can be done one at a time

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 12:19 AM

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What is an affordable price range? Decent GPU is $200

rocky python Jan 3, 2020, 12:20 AM

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https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-2700/p/N82E16819113498?Item=N82E16819113498&cm_sp=homepage_dailydeals-_-p1_19-113-498-_-01022020

naive pendant Jan 3, 2020, 12:47 AM

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So

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Put my r5 3600x in a x570 motherboard

thorny frigate Jan 3, 2020, 1:17 AM

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What's the cheapest mobo that's Intel Xeon E5-2630 v2 compatible?

pastel monolith Jan 3, 2020, 1:58 AM

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might need to wait for EK to come online I'm not sure

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 4:02 AM

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anyone have experience with "CMW16GX4M2K3600C16" it's 3600cl16 corsair vengeance its on my motherboards qvl list but im getting so many problems getting it to work well with my system. ASUS ROG maxims xi hero (wifi). When I first got the kit and installed it it would keep restarting because of memory training so i lowered the vccio and vccsa to 1.1 and it would only restart more than once on restart, that was a month ago. Now I got a blue screen with page_fault_in_nonpaged_area after playing league and it does 4+ more restarts and i assume is the memory training. It then says "The system has posted in safe mode" because of system instability. it doesnt stop doing it after every restart. i can f1 to get into bios set up and press escape to exit to go into windows but still restarts multiple times during restart/cold boot. i cant tell if its a memory issue, motherboard issue or what. doing a memory diagnostic comes out with no problems detected.

pastel monolith Jan 3, 2020, 4:14 AM

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are you running it at 3600?

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and what frequency is the cpu at?

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might try going to 1.05 on vccio vccsa

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@copper solar also do you have MCH full check enabled?

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 4:27 AM

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i think i found the stick that was causing problems

pastel monolith Jan 3, 2020, 4:27 AM

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nice

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 4:27 AM

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im running 8x2

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testing each stick individually

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stick #1 works fine alone

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stick #2 is doing memory training everytime i restart

split copper Jan 3, 2020, 4:28 AM

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that's a lot of 2gb sticks

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 4:28 AM

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and only running at 1066

pastel monolith Jan 3, 2020, 4:28 AM

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tbh that is the best method and much faster than running memory checks

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 4:28 AM

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whats weird is

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the memory diagnostics came up with nothing

pastel monolith Jan 3, 2020, 4:29 AM

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thats why i dont even run them

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 4:30 AM

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📎 20200102_202954.jpg

pastel monolith Jan 3, 2020, 4:33 AM

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that looks awesome for 8gs

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 4:34 AM

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but wrong timings

pastel monolith Jan 3, 2020, 4:34 AM

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not real?

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 4:34 AM

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📎 20200102_203407.jpg

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this is what it was originally on both sticks, this is the working non messed up stick

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tested in all ram slots, working just fine no re-memory training

pastel monolith Jan 3, 2020, 4:35 AM

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but those other timings are amazing

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are they lies

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 4:35 AM

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but the ohter stick restarts the pc like4 times

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and wont post correctly

pastel monolith Jan 3, 2020, 4:36 AM

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huh and has those crazy timings

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 4:36 AM

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yeah

pastel monolith Jan 3, 2020, 4:37 AM

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and it doesnt show anything weird in bios?

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like you could try manually setting the timings in bios

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and disable MCH full check

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 12:00 PM

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📎 20200102_192040.jpg

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That's what shows up with the weird stick of ram is connected. The other stick works just fine. Just going to send it back to Newegg for replacement.

restive wedge Jan 3, 2020, 12:08 PM

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Further making me not want to order from Newegg lol

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 1:07 PM

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wuuut

weak hamlet Jan 3, 2020, 1:31 PM

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what does that have to do with newegg?

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 1:34 PM

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@restive wedge so your lack of understanding of statistics causes you to blame newegg for it?

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i am honestly impressed about that.

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because i am fairly certain my brain would crash by doing that :)

granite river Jan 3, 2020, 1:37 PM

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well if your pc is boot failure and suggesting to do safe mode while inserting the new ram.. maybe something really wrong with it.. is it always like that even if your restart? again ?

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maybe u dint buy same kit

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maybe since another one is running cl 15 xD your cl 16 one is copying it xD 15 15 15 ... and its not stable... are those same kit? maybe this is your kit CMW16GX4M2C3600C15

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not CMW16GX4M2K3600C16

copper solar Jan 3, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Both sticks came from the same kit

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Brand new

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1 month old

dense cedar Jan 3, 2020, 5:16 PM

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PepeHands

naive pendant Jan 3, 2020, 7:26 PM

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whats a good cpu under 250$?

weak hamlet Jan 3, 2020, 7:27 PM

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guess what would depend on what you want. amd/intel.

misty belfry Jan 3, 2020, 7:51 PM

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i ordered an R5 2600X

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amazon sent me an R7 2700

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am i saying anything? nope

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 7:52 PM

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im having trouble upgrading my ram for my laptop i have an nitro acer 5 but not to sure if i should buy just any random ram stick or if i should get something a little better

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or something that matchs my model nuber

misty belfry Jan 3, 2020, 7:53 PM

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something that matches your model

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 7:53 PM

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try and see if there is a list of known sticks that work with it @golden forge

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simply to save you the potential headache

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 7:53 PM

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i dont even know where i would for a list of them in the first place

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look

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thats my problem

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 7:54 PM

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on the support page for the laptop :)

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 7:56 PM

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ok ty i found it out just gotta look for something on amazon thats better priced compared to company prices

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 7:56 PM

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:)

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you limited to amazon?

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 7:57 PM

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newegg is an option as well

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i just trust amazon return policy is all

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 7:57 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/ <- try and paste in the model numbers you are looking at there

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in the field just above the "add from filter" button

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(upper-ish right hand side)

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 7:58 PM

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i did nothing popped up

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 7:59 PM

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post the model here?

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Nitro AN515-53

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 7:59 PM

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no, i meant the ram model :)

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hence why i linked you the pcpartpicker memory page :)

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 7:59 PM

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oh

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this should be it Crucial 8GB Single DDR4 2400 MT/s (PC4-19200) DR x8 SODIMM 260-Pin Memory - CT8G4SFD824A

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:02 PM

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that what you are looking for?

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:02 PM

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yeah but im going for 16gbs

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i just need more ram is all my fps in some games drop

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:02 PM

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does your laptop have a free slot?

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:02 PM

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yeah i have 2 one is being used as of right now

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:02 PM

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so, what you are looking for is a single 8 gig stick

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:03 PM

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i cant use a 16

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:03 PM

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memory generally works best in pairs

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:03 PM

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oh

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ok

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thats fine then

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:03 PM

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(simple explanation)

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so ideally you want to stick with matched pairs

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:04 PM

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ok

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what if i were to use just a 16 take out the 8

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:05 PM

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you want the short or long answer to that?

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:05 PM

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nvm hehe its just cheaper for me to buy another 8 i guess but ty for the help

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:06 PM

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i think you misunderstood

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:06 PM

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oh

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:06 PM

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right now, you have 1*8gig correct?

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:06 PM

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mhm

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:06 PM

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so, to get you to a total of 16 gigs.

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:06 PM

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yes

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:07 PM

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buying 1 more 8 gig stick is the way to go

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:07 PM

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ok ty

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:07 PM

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however.

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try and make certain you get what is called a matched pair (by having identical sticks)

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:07 PM

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ok

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:07 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Single-PC4-19200-SODIMM-260-Pin/dp/B019FREJOQ <- this is the model you linked earlier

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:08 PM

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let me check my model inside real quick

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:08 PM

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good idea :)

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sounded like you had done that already :)

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:10 PM

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📎 20200103_121023.jpg

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Is that the model number or no

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Or is it on the other side

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:11 PM

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that is enough, give me a moment

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Ok

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:13 PM

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hm, cant find enough reliable info actually (i am surprised tbh)

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:14 PM

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so i am screwed

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Nah

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:14 PM

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you comfortable with unplugging it and taking a photo of the other side?

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:14 PM

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yeah

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:14 PM

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please do :)

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:16 PM

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📎 20200103_121622.jpg

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There we go

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:17 PM

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mta8atf1g64hz-2g6e1 <- part number

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looks to be around 75 for a stick

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 8:18 PM

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wut?

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naw

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:18 PM

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wtf

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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that single specific one bekora

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/micron-8gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/1X5-003U-000Y6

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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not saying it is the right choice

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/micron-8gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/1X5-003U-000Y6?Item=9SIADRH8SP2296

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:19 PM

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amazon strongly prefered Bekora

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hence the "crazy" price

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:20 PM

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so thats why its so much

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 8:20 PM

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I understand but they also said Newegg. And for half the price

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:20 PM

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would there any other sticks i could possibly use besides this one or no

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:20 PM

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but you jumped the gun on the next part, which was supposed to be a talk about price vs warranty etc

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in theory anything "can" work

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in practice, it can be a downright nightmare

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:20 PM

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yeah

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thats what im scared of

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 8:21 PM

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It's 2666mhz CL19 ram

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:21 PM

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with a potential "picky" board Bekora

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again, in theory, it will work with any stick

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Timings are 19-19-19

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:22 PM

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so i guess i end up buying the same one

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:23 PM

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the newegg option is the "sane/logical" option

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 8:23 PM

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For the price of one of those

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You can get a new pair of 16GB

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https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-SODIMM-Laptop-Memory/dp/B01BMMVNL4

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:23 PM

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or, you switch to a new pair. But again, a list of supported modules is strongly recommended.

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:24 PM

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all i care about is my fps in games thats it

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nothing else

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i do care about my computer not getting screwed

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or hammered into the ground

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:25 PM

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there is no guarantee that this will help much

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:25 PM

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true

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 8:25 PM

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WIth a 1050, you'll be at low-med settings in new games

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:25 PM

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yeah

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:26 PM

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and factoring in that it is a laptop

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:26 PM

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the only high res game i play is destiny 2

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:26 PM

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there is not much headroom (thermally) for it

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 8:26 PM

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I can't find a QLV for the ram

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QVL lol

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:26 PM

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i would strongly recommend that you contact their support and ask about ram

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basically: Hello, i have XYZ model of laptop from you. What specific ram models work with that laptop

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:28 PM

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i used this website to see what i could use https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compatible-upgrade-for/Acer/nitro-5-an515-53#MEMORYFilters

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:28 PM

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ask the manufacturer of your laptop (Acer)

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:28 PM

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um ok

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:28 PM

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just saying :)

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:29 PM

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yeah but i dont wanna talk to poeple who i can hardly understand what there saying

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thats just a migrane

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:29 PM

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you can post what i said above

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:29 PM

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ok

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:29 PM

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just replace the XYZ with your actual laptop model :)

golden forge Jan 3, 2020, 8:29 PM

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ok

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ty for the help today

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both of you

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:30 PM

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you are very welcome :) best of luck:)

main pulsar Jan 3, 2020, 8:46 PM

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so like, intels 10nm mobile procs support 3733mhz ddr4.

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crazy

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considering all mobile laptops will use no more than 2666mhz ram lmao

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https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/197121/intel-core-i5-1030g4-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-50-ghz.html

Intel® Core™ i5-1030G4 Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.50 GHz) Pro...

Intel® Core™ i5-1030G4 Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.50 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

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base frequency of 700mhz, thats crazy

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:50 PM

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hm? what do you find crazy about that?

main pulsar Jan 3, 2020, 8:52 PM

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very power efficient

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very epic

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usually, intels mobile cpu base clocks are not that low, so i thought it was neat

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:55 PM

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look up speedstep and related technologies

main pulsar Jan 3, 2020, 8:56 PM

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yeah, i know how that works

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i just thought a 700mhz base clock was neat, thats all

gritty meadow Jan 3, 2020, 8:59 PM

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fair enough :)

main steppe Jan 3, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Do I just have to have a sata cable in the HDD for it to work

elfin warren Jan 3, 2020, 10:50 PM

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power too

main steppe Jan 3, 2020, 10:52 PM

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That's what I thought because I was taking my old mobo out and I remember talking a power cable out of it but I can't find it now

rose arch Jan 3, 2020, 11:30 PM

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the power cable usually stays attached to the PSU lol

naive pendant Jan 4, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Possible to turn off z390 master Q code display and led indicators?

rose arch Jan 4, 2020, 1:20 AM

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short of physically cutting tracers... not that i know of lol

daring patio Jan 4, 2020, 2:23 AM

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anyone got a budget 16gb ddr4 memory? as fast as possible pls

meager pecan Jan 4, 2020, 3:34 AM

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mfw i bought a 3200G for budget purposes but then I found the official 1600 AF listing on Amazon

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and now have to wait for returns to happen and money to come back

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seyana

long geyser Jan 4, 2020, 3:51 AM

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I mean why 3200g anyways? R3 1200 is $60 and is same perf as 3200g (edit: with an OC). You're planning on getting the 1600 AF so you dont need an iGPU

meager pecan Jan 4, 2020, 4:26 AM

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@long geyser because uh

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at some point

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I wasn't planning on the 1600 AF

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meliacry

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many decisions were made

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not all of them were good

long geyser Jan 4, 2020, 4:29 AM

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well oof

still oxide Jan 4, 2020, 7:58 AM

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any suggestions on what b-die ram I should get? (within $120)

mild jackal Jan 4, 2020, 8:07 AM

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Usually 3200c14 2x8 is $100, cheapest on newegg rn is $120, but there are a few other good options like

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https://www.newegg.com/patriot-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820225142

full folio Jan 4, 2020, 8:43 AM

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So, I have a dumb question, is Newegg going to have the Ryzen 5 1600 AF cpu or is it an Amazon exclusive? Specifically the AF chip.

gritty meadow Jan 4, 2020, 9:05 AM

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considering that the reason it exist at all is that AMD has stopped making the die that was in the original 1600. It is just a question of time.

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@full folio

main steppe Jan 4, 2020, 9:12 AM

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so i put a new mobo in my pc and now when i play games and there is a high pitched noise it buzzes are my headphones broken or is there something that i missed

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also my headphones never have done it with my old mobo

long geyser Jan 4, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Headphones in back of PC or front panel?

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@main steppe

main steppe Jan 4, 2020, 9:47 AM

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front

long geyser Jan 4, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Front is usually bad quality. Try the back

main steppe Jan 4, 2020, 9:48 AM

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the front has a 3.1

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or 3

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i canr remember

long geyser Jan 4, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Lots of electical noise gets to the front 3.5mm audio jacks unless it's shielded on the mobo and the case cables are well shielded as well

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And thus causes the buzzing

main steppe Jan 4, 2020, 9:50 AM

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its usb

long geyser Jan 4, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Then it may not be providing the full amount of power to the headset through the front port. Or there is electrical noise causing corruption to the data (tho I feel like this would be a bit more catastrophic for non analog devices, but still could be it)

cold valve Jan 4, 2020, 10:15 AM

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what parts/platforms are people using in their main gaming rigs these days ?

restive wedge Jan 4, 2020, 4:32 PM

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AMD. AMD. And AMD.

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Whether you want high end or budget, AMD.

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CPU wise that is, GPU wise high end is still Nvidia, low to "good" end is a mix of Nvidia and AMD, primarily whether you require NVENC or not.

heady ivy Jan 4, 2020, 4:36 PM

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is this the place to speak about rma

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ram

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/ybrcCJ/gskill-tridentz-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-16gtzr

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is this a good one or nah

fleet inlet Jan 4, 2020, 4:40 PM

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It should be fine 🙂

heady ivy Jan 4, 2020, 4:41 PM

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thx

crude path Jan 4, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Is the MSI X470 Gaming Pro AMD AM4 Motherboard good

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Or is there a good sub $100 full atx mobo lol

mild jackal Jan 4, 2020, 6:37 PM

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b450 gaming plus on sale, maybe a similar msi b450

restive wedge Jan 4, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Theres no need to go for a 470/570 over a B450 for less than a 3900x unless you somehow find it cheaper.

crude path Jan 4, 2020, 6:50 PM

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A b450 can’t use a 2600x though right

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Also my goal is looks, lots of pcie, and upgradability. I’m currently running a 2600 but I want to get a better cpu later (maybe the 4K series if it’s am4 and better enough)

restive wedge Jan 4, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Whatever gave you the impression a B450 couldn't take a 2600x? That's a ludicrous suggestion.

meager pecan Jan 4, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Does anybody with a super beefy CPU and StarCraft II mind running a benchmark on the arcade for me?

crude path Jan 4, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Someone told me that they couldn’t take any x series

gritty meadow Jan 4, 2020, 8:02 PM

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in what context @crude path ?

elfin warren Jan 4, 2020, 8:02 PM

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x merely means higher base clock

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There is literally no other difference

crude path Jan 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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In that if the cpu has an x on it you need a mobo with x on it or 570 or above or something

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Wish I knew that before I got the 2600 lol

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2600x was 10 bucks more

gritty meadow Jan 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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that "someone" can be added to the list of people "that dont know what they are talking about"

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or removed from the "know what they are talking about" one. which is the shorter one

crude path Jan 4, 2020, 8:05 PM

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It’s ok I have now called out that someone for feeding me wrong info

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Does mobo spec matter for oc a cpu?

arctic lion Jan 4, 2020, 9:23 PM

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question... i have a 7th gen i7-7700 i need a new motherboard the chip set is an LGA 1151 what motherboard chipset i need ie z270 or h270... ive looked on newegg and amazon but before i spend 100+ dollar i want to make sure the cpu and mobo are compatible... this is what i want to get

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XSYZ968/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_4?smid=A3EEXTUSWX65VP&psc=1

mild jackal Jan 4, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Any z270 will do, you could find one for $60-100 used/new. IMO - 7700's sell for more than they're worth on the used market, take that money and go 3600 or equivalent.

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Used, completed non k 7700's,
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=intel+7700+-7700k&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=intel+7700+-7700k&LH_ItemCondition=4&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1

arctic lion Jan 4, 2020, 9:27 PM

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damn you werent lying imma finese to do that

mild jackal Jan 4, 2020, 9:28 PM

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I'm doing the same with my 7700k - no idea why the market price is what is is lol

arctic lion Jan 4, 2020, 9:30 PM

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not gonna complain though and before i bought this pc i saw amazon has really cheap ryzen cpus

misty belfry Jan 4, 2020, 10:22 PM

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me: uses DDR4-2400 on my ryzen 7 2700 desktop, had it laying around, can't buy 3200 for a long time

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at least i have a CPU that doesn't completely suck~

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i was using haswell i5-4590 before

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i'm also using my old 256GB SATA M.2 drive that i bought ages ago, because it's an SSD and why not

naive pendant Jan 4, 2020, 11:58 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/asrock-x570-phantom-gaming-4/p/N82E16813157884?Item=N82E16813157884 what ram is best for this motherboard

pseudo bluff Jan 5, 2020, 1:30 AM

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What do you think is better

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B450M Motar Titanium or a B450M Steel Legend?

vagrant horizon Jan 5, 2020, 2:49 AM

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is a ryzen 9 3900 overkill for games like rainbow six siegeamd csgo?

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 2:59 AM

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yes

thorny gate Jan 5, 2020, 3:02 AM

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even the ryzen 7 3800x is overkill

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atleast i think so

smoky egret Jan 5, 2020, 3:42 AM

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If you're just gaming with your system a 3600 is plenty sufficient for any game

vagrant horizon Jan 5, 2020, 4:07 AM

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ok ill probably get a ryzen 7 3800

fleet inlet Jan 5, 2020, 8:35 AM

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In what ways is the 2600 better than the 1600X ?

fleet inlet Jan 5, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Zen and zen+ is the major difference I guess

rose arch Jan 5, 2020, 12:11 PM

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2000 series has a very slight IPC increase compared to 1000 series

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 12:15 PM

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@fleet inlet imagine this ok the 2400G is pretty much the same performance as the 1600 and the X model is only slightly overclocked which even if you overclock the 1600X and the 2400G in the end you will still have the same performance

rose arch Jan 5, 2020, 12:16 PM

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i almost wish they would make a higher end APU. id still use a dGPU but its always nice to have a backup while you wait on an RMA lol

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 12:18 PM

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4000 series could be Navi iGPU's which could be the same performance at the RX 570

rose arch Jan 5, 2020, 12:20 PM

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by the time that hits the market rx570 performance will be on the low end like the vega8/11/whatever else they have currently =\

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makes me wonder what AMD's version of ferveros will look like. no idea why that just happened to be a thought lol

fleet inlet Jan 5, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Oh ok ty

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 12:24 PM

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Well just the APU's alone are usually marketed towards esport gamers or casual gamers because i remember the older APU's that has Radeon HD graphics and was able to play games like Left 4 Dead 2 with CS 1.6 without any issues

rose arch Jan 5, 2020, 12:26 PM

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yeah i remember my first APU build. used a 7850k and played skyrim just fine then i got the bright idea to do that really weird xfire thing between apu and dgpu so i bought a r5 250 to go with my r5 250 igpu lmao. it actually worked better than i thought it would

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 12:28 PM

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You mean dual graphics

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The only reason why AMD wouldn't do that anymore is cause they would lose money

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imagine a 2400G paired with a 4gb RX 560 and you have that in DGPU mode you could have something better than the RX 570

rose arch Jan 5, 2020, 12:30 PM

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well you would effectively make the 560 a 2GB card since the APU can only reserve 2GB RAM for video

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 12:30 PM

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for DGPU mode the iGPU is just a piggy back for the main GPU really

rose arch Jan 5, 2020, 12:31 PM

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which was the the reason why i used a 250 instead of something alot better. it was the closest thing to matching specs across both ends

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 12:31 PM

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so the Vram wouldn't really matter

rose arch Jan 5, 2020, 12:32 PM

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but ewither way i tried it out. worked better than i thought it would but still sucked in the end compared to just getting a better gpu lol

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 12:32 PM

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imagine this ok the 2400G is pretty much the same performance as the 1600 and the X model is only slightly overclocked which even if you overclock the 1600X and the 2400G in the end you will still have the same performance <- because originally, the products used the same CPU core. (zen)

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"Well just the APU's alone are usually marketed towards esport gamers or casual gamers because i remember the older APU's that has Radeon HD graphics and was able to play games like Left 4 Dead 2 with CS 1.6 without any issues" <- aside from you know, the consoles

main pulsar Jan 5, 2020, 2:18 PM

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The 1600 is a 6/12

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The 2400g is more like a 1500x

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 3:00 PM

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and considering the original question that was asked about IPC

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and that the models that was asked about was the 1600x and the 2600

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i find it interesting that a comparison like that is "okay"

misty belfry Jan 5, 2020, 3:34 PM

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i had a 2200g and it performed pretty reasonably

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but i definitely like my 2700 now better

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it's leagues ahead for basic performance even

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 4:04 PM

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@dusk oracle it's unlikely for the Navi iGPU to be 570. More like between 560 and 570. Which is a major gap as the 570 is 2x a 560

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 4:09 PM

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the main question will be: chiplet or not chiplet for the units used in the next gen consoles.

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because it makes little sense to have both "type" running at the same time

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@long geyser thank you for the note last night :)

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Chiplet would make more sense for yields tho. Which is nice when console is already decently cheap. And np

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 4:11 PM

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aye, it would make sense, the question is IF they have gotten the interconnect to play as nicely as they want

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I mean the new Mac Pro has that dual GPU with IF as the interconnect

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 4:11 PM

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very different power range

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and not remotely as cramped

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and not a SoC either

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 4:12 PM

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But IF should still be similar should it not?

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 4:12 PM

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but yes, it can be used for it

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yes, in theory

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i am quite looking forward to the whitepapers on the SoC's for the nextgen consoles

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those are going to be juicy

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 4:14 PM

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True enough. Would be nice to know whether they are chiplets cuz if so we can have good hope for the future of IF

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 4:15 PM

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IF is not going anywhere

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the question is what kind of traction that intel can gather on their side with the interconnect stuff they are doing

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because their R&D department is not to be underestimated

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 4:17 PM

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It really is nice that the R&D is actually happening again

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 4:17 PM

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oh yes

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it makes it so much more interesting being an observer to it all :)

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 4:17 PM

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I do wonder were we'd be at rn if AMD was able to keep up

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 4:17 PM

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not much further

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remember, we needed a shift in programming for multicore engines (talking the game side of things now)

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and that took a LONG time

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Well that push only really seemed to happen during Zen

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 4:19 PM

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nah, that is just the result of it

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the shift imo really started with the amd socs in the consoles

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because the devs didnt have a choice at that point

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Yeah. I guess

inner quest Jan 5, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Wondering which is better (RAM); I currently have Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB of DDR4 at 3000MHz. My friend gave me his older, used G Skill Trident Z 24GB of DDR4 at 2800MHz. Im not sure if the 24GB would be better because it is more RAM, but is at a lower speed? and its been used for about 5 years i believe

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Do you use more than 16gb of ram?

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Have you ever had any issues because of ram being 100%?

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If not, then 3000mhz is better than 2800mhz, more ram doesnt mean more speed. Im assuming the CAS latencies are the same here though.

naive pendant Jan 5, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Anyone rocking the gigabyte x570 I Aorus pro wifi can tell me if it's a good buy? And is the chipset fan as loud as people claim?

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Well why x570 anyways? Going to actual use Gen4 or 3950x?

urban ferry Jan 5, 2020, 5:55 PM

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futureproofing

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

mild jackal Jan 5, 2020, 6:04 PM

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New platforms are first in line for updates.

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If you can survive the launch headaches

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 6:07 PM

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going to be interesting to see what exactly will be on the 550 chipset boards when they come out

naive pendant Jan 5, 2020, 6:35 PM

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@long geyser got a sweet deal on 3600mhz memory and the pro wifi isn't that more expensive than x470 boards where I live

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B450 doesn't support 3600mhz
So it's between the pro wifi and x470 boards

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Would rather go for the pro wifi
I just want to know if it's a good board

meager scarab Jan 5, 2020, 6:58 PM

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B450 does support 3600 ram

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U just have to look at MAX versions

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Or other naming equivalents

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Aka the ones that are ryzen 3000 ready out of the box

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 7:25 PM

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@naive pendant @meager scarab the IMC (integrated memory controller) is located on the CPU, not the mobo. So that means most mobos support 3600 ram for Zen2 CPUs

meager scarab Jan 5, 2020, 7:25 PM

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True

long geyser Jan 5, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Look at the QVL list for most of the older mobos around. Lot of them have 3600 rated mem on Zen2

mild jackal Jan 5, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Link the ryzen memory community spreadsheet

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 8:08 PM

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@covert turtle best mobo for a 8350? trying to upgrade an old rig but idk which to get, too many models on ebay 👀

mild jackal Jan 5, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Crosshair v 990fx

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 8:23 PM

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out of curiosity, what do those go for @mild jackal ? (edit:spelling)

mild jackal Jan 5, 2020, 8:23 PM

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I bet silly high haha

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 8:24 PM

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ah, thought you had looked :)

mild jackal Jan 5, 2020, 8:24 PM

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It's just a famous board

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 8:24 PM

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aye

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eeek!

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95 usd

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nvm, 120-ish usd

covert turtle Jan 5, 2020, 8:53 PM

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whatever board you currently have

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probably fine

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getting specific parts for a FX based system isnt worth the time, money, or effort

rose arch Jan 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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ppl still building fx systems? 😮

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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some people still think they're still good

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But if i had like 100 to 120 to spend on a CPU i would rather go for a 2200G/3200G then a FX 8320/8350

mild jackal Jan 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Only reason to get a board like the one I named is for fun - benching/OC/ w/e - AM4 platform is a no-brainer upgrade over 990fx for real work.

bleak field Jan 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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What’s the best cpu mother board combo

glad turret Jan 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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3950x + that $1000 Asrock x570 motherboard

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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That would be the most expensive doesn't mean it is the best

glad turret Jan 5, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Expensive usually does mean “the best”. 3950 x > -all processors out now

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But it does depend on what you’re using it for

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True

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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@oak sand it is but for things other than gaming

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in gaming?

dense cedar Jan 5, 2020, 10:02 PM

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ya

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:03 PM

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in recent results i have seen the 9900K do better than the 3950X in gaming

dense cedar Jan 5, 2020, 10:03 PM

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uh idrk about the the extreme series processors much

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All I know is that new it was like 2000

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:03 PM

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If you're doing things like rendering then the 3950X would be better

dense cedar Jan 5, 2020, 10:04 PM

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in multithread yeah

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not defending intel

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but in single core their victory is still there

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marginal

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and for gaming they get a few more frames

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at a much worse cost

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Well right now you can buy this https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i9-10th-gen-core-i9-10900x/p/N82E16819118111

dense cedar Jan 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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ya ik

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Which from this result shows the 3950X only 2% better https://i.gyazo.com/899a08f30346cec8d82be33de875fe34.png

dense cedar Jan 5, 2020, 10:06 PM

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it does not msrp for that

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I thought it was 750

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Newegg is selling it for that much so

dense cedar Jan 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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peepoShrug

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isn't it like out of stock everywhere

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:08 PM

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open box which is slightly cheaper is selling for this much for the 3950X https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113572R

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This is why i tend to think that 10th will come out on top again

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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sigh where to begin

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userbenchmark is never a good cpu source

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and look https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3950X-32-thread-Processor/dp/B07ZTYKLZW

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 10:12 PM

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For some reason in the UK the 3950x has gone down from 750 to 720, and is in stock in places now.

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 10:12 PM

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https://www.microcenter.com/product/616858/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-35ghz-16-core-am4-boxed-processor

Micro Center

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 3.5GHz 16 Core AM4 Boxed - Micro Center

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both in stock at msrp

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and motherboards are much cheaper

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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@quaint current depending on location

glad turret Jan 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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I got mine at Best Buy

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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amazon is still there

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/b8384da974e82f594d23d393865cc667.png

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 10:15 PM

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yeah thats mc not amazon

glad turret Jan 5, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Sold out in Tustin too

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 10:16 PM

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I don't understand, the 3950x link links me directly to Amazon.com (US) product with the US price, but any time I try to get to the 1600 AF product page, it redirects me to the UK or gives me a GBP price instead.

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:16 PM

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well you linked Microcenter

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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He also linked Amazon.

mild jackal Jan 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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This is in stock 🙂 https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-3970X-64-Thread/dp/B0815JJQQ8

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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I kind of want to see future dual socket AM4 boards

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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But anyways 50$ more for 2% performance i would of expected it to be a little cheaper then or the same price as the 10th gen i9

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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why?

glad turret Jan 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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2% better is still better

mild jackal Jan 5, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Lot of dual socket SP3 boards for Rome/Naples

glad turret Jan 5, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Nitpicking is a thing

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 10:18 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=lga+2066+motherboard
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=x570+motherboard

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that $50 more turns into $150 less

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 10:19 PM

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but @quaint current you are destroying the narrative! think of the children!

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 10:20 PM

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:v

dusk oracle Jan 5, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Sort it out by price low to high for both

mild jackal Jan 5, 2020, 10:22 PM

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I'd grab an x299 dark new for $315 , easy choice

elfin warren Jan 5, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Passmark reports a much wider margin than Userbench

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https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-9-3950X-vs-Intel-Core-i9-10900X/3598vs3633

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Wait what are we comparing here, 3950x vs 10980xe?

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 10:23 PM

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10900x

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and 3950x

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 10:24 PM

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@elfin warren you certain you are not in cahoots with @quaint current ?

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 10:24 PM

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We're comparing a 10 core to a 16? Okay Im straight up done.

elfin warren Jan 5, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Comparing price points

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-_-

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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And benchmarks.

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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because of price.

elfin warren Jan 5, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Fine. Ryzen still wins by 3K points for $200 less money

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https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Core-i9-10980XE-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-3950X/3630vs3598

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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🤔 so you could have a 10 core chip on hedt or a 16 core chip on mainstream for the same price

mild jackal Jan 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Kinda silly comparison unless the use case is a user wanting a gaming capable HEDT work rig or something

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In which case, need to look at game benches

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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I'm on the 3950X's side here. Just comparing benchmarks for two different use cases is not a good thing to judge performance by.

mild jackal Jan 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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The above assumes equal price

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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10980xe is a more fair comparison

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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but 10980xe is more

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so its not really

gritty meadow Jan 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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not on price.

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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When comparing performance for price, its easier to pick processors performing at least in the same ballpark as well as similar use cases to then compare the prices of for that performance

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 10:32 PM

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so you can have the same performance nearly for like 3-400 cheaper

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intel doesn't really do good in either

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Yeah its hard to really find similar processors of the same price + performance when one is inherently better value than the other.

quaint current Jan 5, 2020, 10:35 PM

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yea

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Do I buy (both 2x8 kits at 3600mhz) Patriot viper steel CL17 for £67, or buy corsair vengeance lpx CL18 for £76?

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More concerned about ryzen 3000 compatibility on an x570 and brand quality/reliance on specs.

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I live in the UK. £ doesn't mean dollars.

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The cheapest 3600 CL16 ram in the UK right now is £160. I am not joking, 90% of gskill models no longer exist.

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And if you get DOA from newegg your plan is what?

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You can return US amazon products to a UK amazon distribution center?

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Which Im fairly sure would be 20+

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Some of us don't live at home.

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I left home at 15.

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Scotland Ftw.

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Anyone gonna chip in on patriot viper steel vs viper 4 blackout? Apparently the blackout is specifically ryzen 3000 optimised but I can't find anything to suggest that's not just marketing mumbo. Same latencies, both 3600.

elfin warren Jan 5, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Ryzen will take that CL17 and run it at CL18

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Just get the 3600 CL18

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 11:41 PM

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No, that was corsair Lpx.

elfin warren Jan 5, 2020, 11:41 PM

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You aren't going to notice the difference in day to day to use or in games

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 11:41 PM

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The CL17 is actually cheaper than CL18. I figured it would run at CL18. I figured in theory I could overclock it by that one tad.

elfin warren Jan 5, 2020, 11:42 PM

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The Ryzen Optimized stuff is marketing mumbo

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Not like Id personally want to.

elfin warren Jan 5, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Just like Intel Optimized

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I'm running Intel Optimized in my Ryzen, FTR, lol

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 11:43 PM

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With the cheapest 3600 CL16 being £160, downgrading to 3600 cl17/18 costing £67-77 doesn't hurt me as much as I thought it would.

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There were sub £100 kits before christmas but at that time they all got taken out of the game.

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I REALLY wish I ordered then but put aside for the 2080S instead.

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Im not sure if that was a good move or not, with the GDDR6 scare possibly leading to some increased prices early.

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1080p144.

elfin warren Jan 5, 2020, 11:45 PM

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So is the 3900x.......

restive wedge Jan 5, 2020, 11:46 PM

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3950x, not 3900x.

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Many AAA titles actually seem to get about the 120-150fps mark on max settings at 1080p, so the 2080S fit perfectly. The 3950X fits my actual use for the machine rather than occasionally picking up a good game.

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Ram I'm just getting 16gb to economise on starting costs, but to be fair I can afford 32gb if Im going for ram at this price.

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I will be for the next 5+ years probably, yes. As long as Im still a civil engineer.

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I'll always be in my heart at least.

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I'm into future proofing, but not getting a 3950x to watch youtube level of futureproofing.

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I did go for an x570 though.

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I might as well get 32gb at this price, while site surveying programs involve more rendering than ram requirements whilst running, I still want to open more htan 3 chrome tabs.

misty belfry Jan 6, 2020, 1:51 AM

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the 17 is cheaper

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oh i was scrolled up

vernal matrix Jan 6, 2020, 4:26 AM

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where can i get an i7 9700k for cheap

long geyser Jan 6, 2020, 4:37 AM

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by getting a 3600 or 3700x tbh. Intel is overpriced and has no real reason to be bought. Push the extra money towards other components like the GPU. If you have literally no other choice then eBay

naive pendant Jan 6, 2020, 9:42 AM

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@long geyser I completely forgot about Ryzen's memory controller. I guess I'll go for the asus B450-I

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Actually the auros b450i is cheaper

misty belfry Jan 6, 2020, 1:45 PM

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the aorus boards are really good but have spotty BIOS

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my aorus board doesn't even have PBO

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this actually is a thing with gigabutt

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they have weird or insufficient BIOS a lot

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i've encountered this with their boards before

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and yet i still bought one

misty totem Jan 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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I have a b450 and so far it has been treating me right

naive pendant Jan 6, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Giggabyte has pbo, you just have a really bad board not to have pbo @misty belfry

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Watching the new AMD cpus try to do monolithic

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nuke-apocalypse-gif-9579985

Tenor

misty belfry Jan 6, 2020, 5:08 PM

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oh look /g/ is here

small pulsar Jan 6, 2020, 6:12 PM

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im upgrading my processor from an R5 2600 to a R9 3900x, should i also upgrade my b450 tomahawk for an x570 or you guys think it should suffice

restive wedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Itll suffice if you dont plan on overclocking at all. Id still get an x570 just for the PCI 4.0. Which wont just be useful for "possible" Pci 4 GPUs but also just PCi 4 m.2s

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And when it starts to get towards the end of its usefulness down the line, you have the VRM cooling to OC it no problem

small pulsar Jan 6, 2020, 6:15 PM

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any x570 boards you guys recommend? lol

restive wedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:17 PM

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https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1137619-motherboard-tier-list-v2-currently-amd-only/

Linus Tech Tips

Motherboard Tier List v2 (currently AMD only)

Credit to:@VegetableStu @GoldenLag @LukeSavenije The following list is based on facts, ranked on power delivery and known problems. The list will include boards that support CPU overclocking available at retail from different brands. Currently only AMD boards are done because...

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Personally, the Asus x570 TUF Plus (wifi) was good value for me to buy at the time, a lot of people rate it quite well.

elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 6:20 PM

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GN rated it the best sub $300 mob you could get

naive pendant Jan 6, 2020, 7:41 PM

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When you overclock and set a fixed voltage. Does the power consumption of the CPU increase web it's idling in comparison to 'auto' voltage set by the motherboard

elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Yes

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voltage = heat

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Fixed voltage = more idle heat

naive pendant Jan 6, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Yes but when it's idling it doesn't heat up any more than it used to when it wasn't overclocked

mild jackal Jan 6, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Might be like 20W idle vs 5-10, hard to say

elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Depends on how much the voltage was raised

naive pendant Jan 6, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I have it set to 3.8ghz @ 1.35v
And it doesn't drop from that voltage

mild jackal Jan 6, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Varies on both windows power settings - there's about 100 of them - AGESA, BIOS, bios settings etc

naive pendant Jan 6, 2020, 7:44 PM

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So it's not something to worry about in the end is it?

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The performance increase is huge in my case when I OC

elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Nah

mild jackal Jan 6, 2020, 7:45 PM

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sounds like you have a zen+ 8 core or something, that's on the danger side - but fine unless you want to run that for longer than it's worth as a coaster

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To clarify - did you set a manual, fixed 1.35?

naive pendant Jan 6, 2020, 7:46 PM

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It's a 1700
If I try to oc to 3.9+
It requires 1.38v just to boot and the performance isn't that much better than 3.8ghz

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1.35v is as low as it'll go stable

mild jackal Jan 6, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Sounds as I'd expect, that's a common "voltage wall" on the v/f curve for zen+. diminishing gains

naive pendant Jan 6, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Good to know 👍

mild jackal Jan 6, 2020, 7:48 PM

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I just check https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics

Silicon Lottery

Historical Binning Statistics

Historical binning statistics from Silicon Lottery

naive pendant Jan 6, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Woah
That's a good page

barren lichen Jan 6, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Anyone plz help me with xmp and cpu clocks on my mobo it’s so weird haven’t found any guides on it

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Video call me or dm me as soon as possible

ripe flare Jan 6, 2020, 8:38 PM

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In ram qvl HX424C15FB/8 is listed, will HX424C15FB3A/8 work?

restive wedge Jan 6, 2020, 8:46 PM

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@barren lichen XMP is for overclocking ram. If you buy for example 3600mhz ram, it might actually run at a lower clock speed, and youll need to set an XMP profile. There should be one with your ram, in that case, that might be called XMP-3600. Thatll get it to run at the advertised speed. Its a bit more complicated but ram XMP settings are what you're looking for on that.

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Messing with XMP and CPU baseclock/clock multipliers is in the #overclocking territory

barren lichen Jan 6, 2020, 8:47 PM

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@restive wedge can I send a screenshot

restive wedge Jan 6, 2020, 8:47 PM

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If you want.

near rampart Jan 6, 2020, 10:42 PM

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hello, i have a problem my pc wont register another 8 gb of ram, heres the orginial (https://www.teamgroupinc.com/en/product/vulcan-ddr4) and heres the one that wont register (https://www.teamgroupinc.com/en/product/elite-u-dimm-ddr4) and i have Prime B360M-A as a motherboard. Thanks if you can help.

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elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 10:47 PM

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One of those runs at 1.2V, the other at 1.2 or 1.35V. Which do you have specifically?

near rampart Jan 6, 2020, 10:48 PM

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i have both, this is the one that registers https://www.teamgroupinc.com/en/product/vulcan-ddr4

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VULCAN DDR4 overclocking desktop memory modules

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elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 10:48 PM

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What speed though?

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That one runs at 1.2-1.35V depending on the speed

near rampart Jan 6, 2020, 10:48 PM

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yeah at 1.2

elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 10:49 PM

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And by not registers, do you mean doesn't show in the BIOS or?

near rampart Jan 6, 2020, 10:49 PM

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yeah

elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Both installed at the same time?

near rampart Jan 6, 2020, 10:49 PM

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no

elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Same timings? and speeds?

near rampart Jan 6, 2020, 10:50 PM

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idk about that

elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 10:50 PM

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So you install the ELILTE and what happens, no boot?

near rampart Jan 6, 2020, 10:51 PM

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it boots, but when i added the 2nd one, it doesnt show up on the bios

elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 10:53 PM

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I need to know more. What size RAM sticks are they, speeds, model number, something? 2x4GB sticks? DOes each stick work by itself and just not together at the same time?

near rampart Jan 6, 2020, 10:54 PM

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can i dm you my CPU-Z validation?

elfin warren Jan 6, 2020, 10:57 PM

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K

dark smelt Jan 6, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Really want to see what AMD has next for this stream

gritty meadow Jan 6, 2020, 11:02 PM

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the stream is done

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it was a keynote, its a 45 min stream.

dark smelt Jan 6, 2020, 11:09 PM

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@gritty meadow Oh 😛 read it wrong. I thought they were gonna do another stream

naive pendant Jan 6, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Does it matter witch slots I choose to put my two sticks? Between A2 and B2 or A1 and B1

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gritty meadow Jan 6, 2020, 11:20 PM

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generally, a1 first

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and in theory, it should not matter, but there are boards that complain if you use only b1 (from the a1 + b1 pairing)

naive pendant Jan 6, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Ok thx

copper badge Jan 7, 2020, 12:28 AM

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What MB would you recommend for a 2080S and 3800x system

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I'm currently looking at getting the Asus tuf gaming plus, but I'm concerned it might not be enough

urban ferry Jan 7, 2020, 12:29 AM

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i wouldnt get the TUF

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especially not with a 3800x

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one caught fire lololol

elfin warren Jan 7, 2020, 12:30 AM

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scuse me

copper badge Jan 7, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Wait wat

elfin warren Jan 7, 2020, 12:30 AM

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TUF Gaming X570 WiFi is the best rated sub $300 board. WDYM one caught fire?

urban ferry Jan 7, 2020, 12:31 AM

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one caught fire

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https://www.reddit.com/r/PcRetailers/comments/cqh3go/asus_tuf_x570_caught_on_fire_no_customer_service/

ASUS TUF X570 Caught on FIRE (No Customer Service) *REPOSTED*

*REPOSTED because it was removed due to being "off topic" for Buildapc* Brand new custom build that was running prior for two weeks without any...

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hahaha

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and that was just with a 3600

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maybe just a faulty board

elfin warren Jan 7, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Uh Zack

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read it

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Heatsink screw applied at the factory incorrectly shorted out a component

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Right througha bunch of tracks

urban ferry Jan 7, 2020, 12:34 AM

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ah

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all i remember is hearing that one caught fire

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and nothing more

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so thats all i think of when i hear Asus TUF x570

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my bad

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carry on

elfin warren Jan 7, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Yeah, overtightened screw at the factory

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Still, good thing to check on any motherboard that you buy

delicate bolt Jan 7, 2020, 12:38 AM

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can i mix memory brands without trouble

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as long as they're the same speed

lime valley Jan 7, 2020, 12:38 AM

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yes

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I think

delicate bolt Jan 7, 2020, 12:38 AM

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call in a techie lol

lime valley Jan 7, 2020, 12:39 AM

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My friends were talking about timings and that's when they lost me KEKW

delicate bolt Jan 7, 2020, 12:39 AM

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t i m i n g ?

lime valley Jan 7, 2020, 12:39 AM

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yes AwkwardKidJiggly

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I have a friend who has different ram brands

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it works

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as long as it's same speed

quaint current Jan 7, 2020, 12:39 AM

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They will just run at the lower speed if different speeds

delicate bolt Jan 7, 2020, 12:40 AM

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ye

lime valley Jan 7, 2020, 12:42 AM

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That shows up in my iCUE software and one of my ram stick's rgb isn't in sync with what I put in the app, anyone knows what that means ?

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I completely shut the app down and restarted it and it fixed itself FeelsWeirdgaMan

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am so confused FeelsWeirdgaMan

elfin warren Jan 7, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Technically you can but make sure the speed, timings and Voltage all match

copper badge Jan 7, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Trident.Z or Vengeance RGB pro?

weak hamlet Jan 7, 2020, 12:58 AM

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either or.

copper badge Jan 7, 2020, 2:20 AM

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I want to get the neo ones for the lower cas, but the black and other color doesn't quite fit

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 6:21 AM

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i got some DDR4-2400 CL17 same voltage though i forget the voltage, but different brands

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i paired them up and overclocked to 3200 and kept the same timings, memtest86+ says all is good

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so you can do that if you want

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you just have to match stuff up

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also got the infinity fabric with this super cheap RAM so i'm happy about it until i get 32GB which I want to eventually... it's just even less of a priority now with this nice overclock

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:22 AM

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So I just got a 3950X. I’m currently running on the Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3200 MHz kit. Should I consider grabbing the G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 MHz kit with 16 CAS latency to get the most out of the chip?

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:28 AM

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it depends

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hang on

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System Memory
System Memory Specification
3200MHz

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according to AMD's page

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i'll link

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https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3950x

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AMD recommends 3200 so what that means is you need 3200 to not bottleneck the infinity fabric interconnects

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so you're good

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Mm, I know, I’ve read that too, but other things I’ve also read online say that 3600 MHz is a good sweet spot, and it runs a ratio with the infinity fabric of 1:1

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:31 AM

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yeah, i'm just going with AMD

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if you want to get 3600, you will get a little more performance out of your system

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but it is likely that is because the RAM is faster

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Is the performance boost worth getting the RAM for? It would probably be a side grade if anything, but the extra boost is probably pretty nice

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:32 AM

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i can't quantify it because i can't afford that CPU 😂

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so i am not sure what kind of boost you'll get

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i have an R7 2700 and it's bloody fast

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i'm running 3200 on it (got lucky and overclocked mismatched 2400 sticks and they work perfectly/respond well to memtest)

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:34 AM

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Fair enough. I’m coming from a 2700X myself but I’m basically futureproofing myself with the 3950X

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:34 AM

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to me, a 3950X is a level of speed i can't understand because i haven't felt it

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it seems like in normal tasks it would feel about the same but you'd have a lot of fun with video encoding and things like that

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and watching that just buzz by

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:36 AM

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Well, I run DaVinci Resolve on this system and it for sure makes post production a lot smoother. On games it seems pretty nice too, but I’m on a Witcher binge right now so I haven’t tested anything crazy on it like Borderlands 3

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:36 AM

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imo the most important component for a PC's "feeling of speed" is an SSD

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you can have an old FX or Haswell processor and a really fast SSD

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and the computer will feel very fast

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responsiveness

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that's the word i'm looking for

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english is my first language and i can't even

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:37 AM

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Well I just ordered one of those snazzy Corsair pci-e 4.0 nvmes so it’ll probably be much faster when I get it on Friday

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:38 AM

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yeah you will notice that 5000Mbit/sec

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or whatever

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the sabrent ones are around 5000

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:38 AM

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I’m already running on a 970 evo and that already seemed like pinnacle of speed

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:38 AM

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haha

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Didn’t think it could get any faster

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:38 AM

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not even close

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nothing is ever the pinnacle of speed

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it just keeps getting replaced

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i use an old SATA M.2 as my boot and "whatever games i am playing most" drive

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and it feels very fast to me

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i'd imagine mostly because the swap file is on the SSD

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:41 AM

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I’ll probably clone my OS onto the new NVME and see how fast it goes

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:42 AM

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be aware that you'll need to run bootfix on it

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after you do the clone

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:43 AM

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It’s shame that Samsung’s cloning software doesn’t work going the other way

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:43 AM

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bootfix is in the toolbox of command line programs on the windows install disk

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yeah

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bootfix is just insurance

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in case the boot parameters aren't the same

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for NVMe

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because i dunno how it detects the 3.0 vs 4.0

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:44 AM

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Is it maybe just easier to like reinstall Windows?

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:44 AM

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or different drives

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it was easier for me

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i wish i could run PCIe 4.0

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i'll probably buy a 3900X when they hit $300 after zen3 comes in

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and then i'll replace my board with something that has PCIe 4.0

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:45 AM

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I’m pretty glad I got this processor. I won’t have to bide my time for zen3 and can just wait for a good 4 or so years now

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16/32 is a beast number so I doubt I would need to upgrade for some tome

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Time

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:46 AM

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yeah

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it's that futureproofing though

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:46 AM

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Yup

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:46 AM

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it's never really reliable

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:47 AM

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The next time I would upgrade is if something crazy happens, like they do a 5nm processor with 32/64 in the mainstream line

devout mothBOT Jan 7, 2020, 7:47 AM

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glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Now that would be something

dusk oracle Jan 7, 2020, 7:47 AM

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@glad turret no swearing

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Lol got warned for cursing XD sorry

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:47 AM

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I got warned 10 times before I managed to stop

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i had to work at it

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:48 AM

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My sailor’s mouth is the real deal, hard to stop

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:48 AM

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if i got warned once more i'd get kicked 😂

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Haha

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:49 AM

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i've gone a month without anything so you can do it too probably

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:49 AM

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I’ll try. I curse regularly at work because of the lax atmosphere

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:50 AM

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that's why there's a warning system

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is so you can get used to the environment

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:50 AM

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Haha, netiquette is real

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:51 AM

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the bot is so fast nobody can see what you said thankfully

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their reason for that rule is we have like 12 year old regulars

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not like i wasn't cursing like a sailor at that age already but it's more of a "we don't want to get the parents upset and have them retaliate against newegg"

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Crazy. Didn’t think 12 year olds could afford computers. Mommy and daddy’s money I guess

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Had to work for my stuff

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:53 AM

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when i was 12 i had (old) computers

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tons of old computers because they were cheaper than dirt

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Mm, true

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:54 AM

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we were poor, it was a hobby i could afford

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in a way i lived vicariously through the 80s for most of my older childhood and teen years

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80s was only my first 7 years or so, we had C64s at school when i was like 6, and those were still fairly new by 80s standards

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because something from 1982 was perfectly fine in 1989 according to most people

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apparently

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:57 AM

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I didn’t even have a computer in the 80s

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:57 AM

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later they actually started funding the schools and we had internet access on the macs

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Didn’t touch a computer until like the early 90s in elementary

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:58 AM

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i didn't until 1988

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Wow that’s like

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Super early IBM

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:58 AM

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no it's commodore

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and apple II