cpus-mobo-and-memory

[fleet inlet]

Alright, that’s perfect then

Again, thanks a lot ✅

[ruby hare]

is asus tuf x570 wifi plus good and is it going to go back on sale

[misty belfry]

nobody here can confirm or deny what will or will not go on sale

it is probably a good board, let me look into it

[lunar jungle]

Best thing to do to get notified of sales is to sign up for the Newegg emails

[misty belfry]

I would say the board looks good to me, and they're promoting the power delivery as well as some other good stuff , since i am not intimately familiar with it i can only say that if i was looking for a high end X570 board i would probably give that one some serious thought

[long geyser]

I havent done too much research on TUF but I have heard it to be really good for a cheap x570. One of the best for being the cheaper x570. Tho I'm pretty sure prices changed a bit and it's decently more expensive than the Asus Prime P while still being close to same quality. You can always go for a simple PCIe wifi add in board as with a non WiFi mobo, if that makes things cheaper.

[elfin warren]

I have the tuf wifi

Fantastic vrm and options. Go for it!

Has features and parts of a $300 for $200 or less

[misty belfry]

the wi-fi included on these motherboards is really good though

re: using a cheap addin card

the board i'

i've chosen has the same thing

very fast, and with bluetooth featured

intel chipset

[hollow thorn]

Would integrated wifi on a board take up PCIE lanes?

[elfin warren]

Yes

Typically they are M.2

[hollow thorn]

Oh thats interesting

[elfin warren]

Of course, this depends on the motherboard but I find it's more the case than not

[hollow thorn]

So my B450 board w integrated wifi doesnt give enough lanes for a x16 GPU and a NVME ssd?

[elfin warren]

What board?

[hollow thorn]

Msi b450 gaming pro carbon ac

[gritty meadow]

it does

[hollow thorn]

If I remember right ryzen 3rd gen has 24 lanes, 4 for chipset. 16 for GPU, and 4 for NVME

[elfin warren]

I don't see WiFi listed there?

[long geyser]

on board WiFi probably take from chipset lanes

[hollow thorn]

Ah I see

Bekora you sure??

[gritty meadow]

no probably about it it @long geyser

[long geyser]

wouldnt be surprised if it took from ethernet, only can run one at a time (wifi or ethernet)

[gritty meadow]

they do (take it from chipset)

[elfin warren]

Well, it's in the picture but not listed in the Specifications

[hollow thorn]

Brb

[elfin warren]

No, it's OK

it's probably chipset lanes and not M.2

[gritty meadow]

it is nothing to worry about

[hollow thorn]

Its in the specs

Intel dual band wireless ac 9260

[elfin warren]

AH, yeah, you're fine. The M.2-2 slot takes up SATA ports

Plenty of lanes

[gritty meadow]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/News/_nc3/b450.png

here you go

as i said, chipset

[hollow thorn]

Ok thanks

[elfin warren]

Even if it was GPU PCI-E lanes, there is almost no difference in FPS between x8 and x16

We're talking 1-3 FPS

[gritty meadow]

and that in select titles

[elfin warren]

Only reason I got on the PCI-E 4.0 bus was for NVME

GPU

s have a long way to go before they actually need it

[gritty meadow]

and we dont currently have consumer retail pci-e 4.0 ssd controllers

e13 is pci-e 3.0

if memory serves, it wont be until the E18 controller ships that phison will have 4.0 native controllers

[remote swift]

If it used pcie lanes they would be chipset lanes and not the CPU lanes

For wifi

[sharp blaze]

There are reports just this week that running the 4gb 5500xt on a pcie 3.0 slot limits performance because it cant write data across the bus fast enough from the system ram to the card. the 5500xt is physically limited to x8. Its apparently not an issue on 8gb cards.

[elfin warren]

That almost doesn't make sense

[sharp blaze]

some cards were losing up to 12% performance on a 3.0 bus

[elfin warren]

Link?

[sharp blaze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EDJXISD6RY

https://www.neowin.net/news/pcie-30-could-be-crippling-amds-rx-5500-xt-performance

the 4gb card has to write move more data across the bus. The 8gb cards seem to have almost no difference between gen 3 and gen 4.

[elfin warren]

Yeah, that makes sense

Interesting find!

I never would have guessed

[sharp blaze]

a x8 gen 3 bus has half the bandwidth of a x8 gen 4. I personally think it was somewhat intentional by amd to try and prove that gen 4 is worth investing in.

they haven't said anything about it that I have seen though

[elfin warren]

Yeah but

4 GB graphics cards are going the way of the dodo bird

Bad way to prove a point

[sharp blaze]

for midrange they are still viable, but not for long. this is the last gen that I think less than 6gb will be usable for anything other than esports.

[elfin warren]

Exactly. Even midrange cards are 6GB now. 4 GB is more towards the lower end of current card hardware

[rich compass]

Has anyone had experience with OLOy memory? Their stuff is super cheap (32GB 3600 for $105) but they're so new that not a lot of reviews are out.

[sharp blaze]

I have seen a few people with that ram, no major issues from what I have seen.

Still too early to make any longevity claims

[elfin warren]

I think i've heard of one person not being able to use the XMP rated speeds?

That said, should be able to return it for a new set

[sharp blaze]

I know one guy on another discord that was able to get some of that 3600 ram up to 4000

but thats really the only person I have seen trying to push it.

it had hynix cjr chips

most cjr will get up to around 3733 without needing some serious tweaking or voltage

[elfin warren]

Well, there's really only a few ram chip manufacturers

So unless it's running some off brand chips, it all should be fairly reliable

[sharp blaze]

there are different bins of chips. Low binned b die will usually max around 3200

good b die is godlike

[elfin warren]

Yeah my Gskill has crap chips on it but it was cheap

[sharp blaze]

I have some b die and it will go up to 3600 fairly easily, but the timings even at 3000 wont go under 16-16-16

lost the lottery on that one

[elfin warren]

Yeah I did some research and teh Samsung B die chips for my speed and CL16 were stupid expensive

[sharp blaze]

my cjr I have only tested up to 3600, but I have it on a 2700x which the imc on my cpu wont go over 3400.

[elfin warren]

So I went more budget

[sharp blaze]

I have several kits of ram and this hynix cjr seems to be the most compatible ram i have tried besides b die

[elfin warren]

Ya know, I've never had issues with compatibility

Everything just works but I do a lot of research before hand also

[sharp blaze]

I have no trouble with getting it to boot on either of my amd systems. My 2600 is super picky and has no issues with this or b die

the 2600 does not like my hynix a die, or samsung e die. I have some micron ram as well, but is 2400 ram and only goes up to 3000

I have not tried the micron m die that seems to be so great at overclocking yet

[elfin warren]

Yeah, I haven't delved that deep into it

I know enough to not break stuff and that's about it.

[rich compass]

Also re:GRAM, people have mostly stopped optimizing for it. Having 4k or 8k textures regardless of hardware requirements is more marketable than "We spent 3 months optimizing texture budgeting."

Except on consoles, where you have to hit your targets on standard hardware.

[naive pendant]

Guys is 4000 mhz and cl18 good or bad?

[elfin warren]

For what?

[naive pendant]

For Ryzen 7 3700x and intel i9 9920x

[elfin warren]

For Ryzen that's overkill

[lusty warren]

For memory?

[elfin warren]

3600 CL16

[naive pendant]

And about quad channel

Only x299 and x399 mobos support that right?

[elfin warren]

Not my wheelhouse really

Generally dual channel is the way to go

[naive pendant]

Quad channel gives like 10-20 depending the game more fps

[lusty warren]

Quad channel is on most motherboards with 8+ dimm slots

[naive pendant]

Due to benchmarks

@lusty warren yes and I see only x299 and x399 motherboards having that

[lusty warren]

On the Intel side pretty much

[naive pendant]

And I absolutely love those with 8 dimms

x399 is threadripper byw

Btw

[lusty warren]

Ah my bad

[devout moth]

Dochst#2240 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[lusty warren]

Some Intel chipsets have that as well

[elfin warren]

That's because threadripper is basically two processors on one chip

[lusty warren]

^

[naive pendant]

What did I say?

[elfin warren]

Or rather, two collections of chiplets on the same chip

[lusty warren]

Idk it's pretty strict

[naive pendant]

What bad word did I say?

[elfin warren]

Therefor have more channels for RAM

Dunno

[misty belfry]

whatever you said when it blocked you

[elfin warren]

Probably a mistype

[naive pendant]

Well sorry

[elfin warren]

It's OK, the MEE6 bot got you

[misty belfry]

i got busted many times (10) when i came here and i finally figured my way around it, figured out what not to say

[elfin warren]

Just don't use any questionable non-PG words

[lusty warren]

LGA2066 mobos and a few others often have quad channel

[naive pendant]

Therefor I wonder

Cause I wanna go quad channel

And i9 9920x with quad channel will that perform better than Ryzen 7 3700x dual channel?

[lusty warren]

Remind me the 9920x clock speed?

[elfin warren]

Depends on the workload

Generally the AMD is faster, and only slightly, in multicore loads

Where the Intel is faster in Single core loads

[naive pendant]

9920x Is either 3.5 or 3.6

[elfin warren]

3.5 Skylake

[lusty warren]

So AMD has the better clock and IPC

[naive pendant]

@elfin warren but x series on intel is mostly for editing and content creating

[lusty warren]

True

[naive pendant]

Yeah AMD has higher clock

[elfin warren]

X series on intel is a marketing gimmick

same with AMD

[devout moth]

Dochst#2240 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[naive pendant]

Oh ok I see

That word is forbidden too

[elfin warren]

Honestly, those two processors are neck and neck, so IMO, whichever mobo/CPU combo you can get cheaper is best

[naive pendant]

Threadripper in my country is too expensive

[lusty warren]

So Intel then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[naive pendant]

I guess so

Like listen here

A threadripper 3960x is 16000 nok

Meaning around 1500$

[lusty warren]

Dang

[naive pendant]

An intel i9 9920x is 500$

[lusty warren]

[elfin warren]

Well, you said above 3700x

So if that is cheaper, go that route. They are $300 here

[naive pendant]

Yeah I know that’s why

But the x570 motherboards does not support quad channel

[elfin warren]

Don't need quad channel

[naive pendant]

It is much faster than dual

I saw some benchmarks

And it was faster

[lusty warren]

True, but is it worth an extra 200$?

[naive pendant]

And in games it gave you 20 more avarege fps

[lusty warren]

That's up to you

[naive pendant]

But yeah it’s worth or not

[elfin warren]

I'd like to see those benchmarks. Make sure you're comparing apples to apples

[naive pendant]

Aha

I’ll send them quickly

[elfin warren]

Thanks!

[naive pendant]

https://youtu.be/8EM0g0Szg_U

He used an MSI x99a which is an lga 2066

With i7 6800k

[elfin warren]

Yeah, that's a 6800K though, not an AMD

[shadow seal]

with faster ram and modern cpu's I dont think dual vs quad is worth it in gaming

[elfin warren]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[naive pendant]

Aha

I still want to fill my ram slots

[elfin warren]

That's fine to fill the slots

[naive pendant]

I know thaton an 8 dimm motherboard I cannot fill 8

[shadow seal]

Just slap 32 gigs in a dual channel atx board and call it good

[naive pendant]

CAuse I’m no millionsre

[shadow seal]

unless your doing productivity

[naive pendant]

@shadow seal yeah but see that’s it I want all of the slots filled

Looks mych cleaner

I can buy the Aorus RAM with those 2 false ram sticks that are there for nothing

[shadow seal]

just get 4x 8 gig sticks than

[naive pendant]

But that wouldn’t be compatible with my ROG motherboard and Gpu

Yeah

I’ll see

Thanks guys

[elfin warren]

Just some testing on a newer 8700K for reference

[shadow seal]

thats within margin of error

[elfin warren]

Yes, it is indeed

[lusty warren]

But GTAV isn't exactly ram heavy

[elfin warren]

Not exactly but it's a popular game

PUBG is actually faster in single channel

The other thing too is that newer Intel and AMD don't use quad channel until you get into the server grade stuff. X299/x399

[regal dagger]

1. Intel Pentium IV Processor 2) 2 GB RAM 3) 200 MB Available hard disk space 4) Microsoft Windows 10.8 or Better 5) Supported Browsers: Chrome, Explore, Edge, and FireFox 6) Adobe Flash Player 10 or higher 7) Adobe Acrobat Reader 8) NVIDIA Graphics Card. These 6 items I would like to have for a laptop computer. I want to download cnc simulation software and I want to have plenty of "Power" for this kind of laptop. I want to what is the right one to buy from NewEgg. Thank you so much and I appreciate all your efforts.

[elfin warren]

Budget?

[regal dagger]

I am embarrassed to tell you I don't know how much it cost... but I guess i'm willing to up to $600...

[elfin warren]

Oh, that's super easy to do

Those are very old hardware specs and almost any laptop can run that program

[gritty meadow]

technically it is not dual vs quad "channel", it is dual vs quad "banks"

for the consumer grade stuff

and as you said @elfin warren quad (channel) and beyond doesnt happen until you get to workstation/server (edit: added channel)

[regal dagger]

I like ASUS, ACER and Lenovo... is there a model I can buy from these brands

[young thunder]

Is this being plugged into mb this way ok? I didn’t notice until now

[gritty meadow]

@young thunder the connector is shaped so that you should not be able to "not" plug it correctly.

[naive pendant]

@elfin warren @lusty warren @shadow seal i7 8700k on quad channel? How?

[elfin warren]

@regal dagger something like this would be more than what you need to run your program

https://www.newegg.com/silver-w-yellow-edges-asus-vivobook-s-s530fa-db51-yl-mainstream/p/N82E16834235139?Item=N82E16834235139&Description=asus laptop&cm_re=asus_laptop-_-34-235-139-_-Product

Not quad channel, 4 slots filled

[shadow seal]

it doesnt exist

[young thunder]

So it should be fine? @gritty meadow

[naive pendant]

So confusing when they say that quad channel is 4 sticks attached

[shadow seal]

its not

[gritty meadow]

@young thunder lets grab it via pm, easier for clarity

[elfin warren]

Server grade processors run quad channel. Consumer grade does not

[naive pendant]

But quad channel is somehing different

[shadow seal]

quad channel is only on super high end chips and boards

[young thunder]

Ok

[naive pendant]

X299 and X399 can

[shadow seal]

Quad channel refers to how the memory interfaces in the chip

[regal dagger]

Im sorry to say I don't know what I am looking at. I use a computer everyday to operate SolidWorks CAD Software. All I want is you guys to do is provide me link to the newegg website and advise what laptop to buy. Does that makes sense?

[elfin warren]

@regal dagger something like this would be more than what you need to run your program
https://www.newegg.com/silver-w-yellow-edges-asus-vivobook-s-s530fa-db51-yl-mainstream/p/N82E16834235139?Item=N82E16834235139&Description=asus laptop&cm_re=asus_laptop-_-34-235-139-_-Product

Plus it would be good for other things also

Day to day computing, home use, etc

[gritty meadow]

solidworks is heavy as all hell (depending on what you do in it)

[elfin warren]

The CPU requirements are Pntium IV

Plus 400-600 $ range

Or this https://www.newegg.com/charcoal-black-acer-aspire-5-a515-54g-54qq-mainstream/p/N82E16834316760?Item=N82E16834316760&Description=acer laptop&cm_re=acer_laptop-_-34-316-760-_-Product

[gritty meadow]

yes, solidworks can run on p4, that is true.

however the more ram and cpu you can throw at it, the better

[elfin warren]

IO know, the more the merrier

but a relatively small budget to work with

This is $500 also

https://www.newegg.com/platinum-gray-lenovo-ideapad-l340-81lg0011us-mainstream/p/N82E16834845030

All Acer, Asus, Lenovo and 400-600 range

[gritty meadow]

it is very small budget for solidworks.

[shadow seal]

@naive pendant thats because those are considered High end desktop enthusiast consumer boards. Those will be the cheapest platforms you can get quad on

specifically designed for productivity alone

[naive pendant]

There’s like one for 250$ from MSI

[shadow seal]

the cpu's alone are 600+

[naive pendant]

Yeah

[shadow seal]

AMD's TR40 boards your looking at like...atleast 1100 dollars for a cpu and mobo

[regal dagger]

I like the acer model the best it has the NVIDIA GeForce MX250 component. I might as well show you the link of the software I would like to try to download. https://web.immerse2learn.com/web/product/haas-3-axis-mill-and-lathe/

Where is the $250 model from MSI from?

[shadow seal]

2 different convos robbie. sorry

[regal dagger]

Well then thank you all for helping me... I really appreciate it very much. I think I am going to buy ACER model after holidays... I hope you all have christmas 😃

[gritty meadow]

@regal dagger if you are getting into CNC work, have a look at the mach software by ArtSoft

https://www.machsupport.com/software/mach4/

[regal dagger]

Wow Im impressed,.. I have never seen this one before,, this is what worries me.. Im afraid I might not get a Laptop powerful enough...

ok then... Im going close out here.. have a nice evening...

[elfin warren]

The Acer I listed is about as good as it gets on your budget

It will run your CAD software just fine

[regal dagger]

Thanks...

[cobalt pike]

What happens if I have 16 gigs (2x8) of 3200mhz, but then add 16 gigs (again, 2x8) of 3600mhz to my motherboard?

[lusty warren]

All run at 3200

[rich compass]

When I do get my weirdly cheap RAM from a very new company, what programs or benchmarks should I use to check its quality?

[elfin warren]

Memtest86

[fading sedge]

is this the right channel to get help with a laptop? no one is answering in the general chat

[misty belfry]

what's up with laptops and 8GB RAM

also ryleighsaurus what do you need help with

[dusk oracle]

@fading sedge a lot of people are also sleeping as well

[lunar jungle]

Wow! What are you using all that ram for?

[clear carbon]

4k editing, streaming, vms, a ton of things. I been building pcs for so long that I do a lot

I'm doing a threadripper 24 core build. I always go enthusiasts build for myself every 5 years

[clear carbon]

This is the right one, last link was wrong

[weak hamlet]

did you use your phone? lol

windows snippit!

or snip and sketch :p

[rich compass]

PrintScreen

[weak hamlet]

winkey+shift+s

[remote swift]

or windows+printscreen

[weak hamlet]

yeah but shift+s you can pick what you want, not the entire screen

[lunar jungle]

Shift+s is like using the old snipping tool. It’s great!

[weak hamlet]

you can still use it

the old tool that is

[lunar jungle]

I know but keyboard shortcut is faster lol

[weak hamlet]

wut

that's faster

[rich compass]

So... The 2 things I ordered yesterday arrived today... I kinda feel bad. I didn't need them for christmas. They should include a "no need to rush" option for non urgent orders.

But I'll have a report on OLOy pretty soon!

[fathom tulip]

What's the best overall CPU for video editing, streaming and gaming

Ryzen only

Around $170-180

[lunar karma]

Ryzen 5 3600 i guess

[mystic tulip]

@fathom tulip i would say ryzen 7 2700 or sth or wait till a new line- up of ryzen so the 3rd gen prices would drop

[fathom tulip]

When would that be

And would 2700x be better

[dusk oracle]

That a non X?

not really

The only way i would suggest someone for getting the X models if they do not overclock at all

other than that if you plan on overclocking stick with the non X

[naive pendant]

all ryzen cpus overclock...

[rich compass]

I was able to get a Ryzen 7 2700X for $130 at Microcenter a little while back. If there's one near you, they might have post-christmas sales to watch for.

But I think the 5 3600 was recommended for streaming.

[naive pendant]

It is, but you need to get some fast ram as well

[rich compass]

There are good deals on high speed RAM right now. GEIL, G-skill, OLOy, and Adata (I think) have dropped prices on some models.

[naive pendant]

indeed

[misty belfry]

i'm getting the 2600X

it comes with the wraith spire which is the stealth basically

salty i have to buy a hyper T2

get RAM clearance

also better cooling, has a 130W TDP

[dusk oracle]

Spire cools better than the Stealth

[misty belfry]

still it can block RAM clearance on some ITX boards (know from experience)

[dusk oracle]

Also T2 you wouldn't see that much of a difference in the cooling

[misty belfry]

certainly less RAM blockage

it's not the cooler itself, it's the part where the fan's plastic casing sticks out

[dusk oracle]

You would be better off with a Hyper 212 instead of the T2

[misty belfry]

again, RAM clearance

the T2 is smol, and requires little space on the board

i've used a 212 as well, both of them at the same time at one point

212 is a great cooler i'm just concerned about RAM clearance

[naive pendant]

I wouldn't pay more than $20 for a hyper 212 - great cooler, a tad better than the wraith prism, but get it on sale if you value value.

[elfin warren]

I have one. It's literally just a couple C better than the prism

I wasn't impressed.

[clear geyser]

Is the intel i7 still good at of right now?

[simple ore]

Which i7

[clear geyser]

Hold on I have to go into my pc settings and pet my cat and eat a sandwich

[simple ore]

LOL

[clear geyser]

back from a delisous sanwich and a cat snuggle.

i7-3770 CPU is what i have rn.

[simple ore]

now pardon my stupidity but what tf is of

[clear geyser]

can you ping one of the techie guys/girls?

[dense cedar]

are you asking if you need to upgrade?

[clear geyser]

im asking is it still high profourmance today? or did it downgrade.

[simple ore]

4770k is whats in my wifes computer and it works just fine for 1440p gaming

[dense cedar]

For today?

Not sure

[clear geyser]

i want 1080p gaming tbh.

[simple ore]

yep thats what she has get something new the ryzen 1600 got a refresh and is 85 dollars

[dense cedar]

yeah you might want to upgrade

[clear geyser]

i do?

[simple ore]

do it lol

[dense cedar]

I would

it's a little old

Maybe like a 2600

or 2700

idk

what's ur budget

for parts

cause you would need to upgrade platform I think

[simple ore]

what socket is the 3770? is it lga 1151?

[clear geyser]

my wallet cries but im saving up for a 1k budget or 500$

[dense cedar]

For cpu and mobo only?

lol you don't even need 500

[simple ore]

cpu mobo and ram

maybe 350 at most you can use your other existing hardware

[dense cedar]

ya

like ur case

and gpu

what gpu u got

[clear geyser]

gtx 960 and ik its very old and im saving up to upgrade that too.

[simple ore]

1080 i think you might be okay ive no experience with that card

[dense cedar]

it can't be that terrible

maybe like

a little under 1050 performance

[clear geyser]

the gtx 960 is okay for gaming tbh

[dense cedar]

ya

[clear geyser]

60 fps in minecraft

[dense cedar]

ye

how much money do you got saved rn

[simple ore]

ughhhhh how many chunks?

[clear geyser]

30

[dense cedar]

ah

[simple ore]

offf

[clear geyser]

i have additional fps mods in it but the raw fps is 20

[dense cedar]

you're gonna need just a little more

lol

dang

[simple ore]

you can find a rx 570 for like 80 on ebay if you have the patience to wait and bid

[dense cedar]

or just like

used

lol

[simple ore]

buy used hardware yes! always i should have 😦

[clear geyser]

hmm is salvaging a pc from a rich persons garbage liable?

[simple ore]

yes

[clear geyser]

or an option? hmmm

[elfin warren]

I7-3770 is getting really long in the tooth. Time to start upgrading bit by bit

[clear geyser]

thats my plan

upgrade bit by bit

[dense cedar]

yes that's an option

if they have a 2080ti on the top shelf

collecting dust

[simple ore]

i like the tag btw @dense cedar

[dense cedar]

even better

thanks

[clear geyser]

i like to salvage from tech dumps with city permit to build my current pc.

[unique flower]

Does anyone know about HP Proliant DL380 Gen6's?

[flint coyote]

Yeah

That’s old

Real old

@elfin warren I’ve been rocking the i5 3570k for like 6 years now.

[elfin warren]

Time for a new one. I had an I5 4670K up until this year OC'd to 4.1 ghz

Now I have a 3700x and BOOOYEEEEE is it fast.

[flint coyote]

I’m looking at the 3700x, x570 mobo, 32gb ddr4 3600

Actually I just pulled the trigger

Lol

[elfin warren]

32 gigs is overkill unless you're doing a lot of editing

But YA!!

[flint coyote]

No

[elfin warren]

Helluva upgrade

[flint coyote]

Virtualization

[elfin warren]

Oh yeah

[flint coyote]

I work in IT

[elfin warren]

Makes sense

[flint coyote]

So, instead of having another server running for labs I can just toss up a VM

[elfin warren]

not many people do that so....unusual to see that use for ram

[flint coyote]

Or for sandboxing as well

[elfin warren]

I have Windows 10 pro but have never used the VM

[flint coyote]

Yeah it’s not going to be used much

But I don’t want to be bothered if I do

[elfin warren]

Yup. I want to get another 16 gigs of ram and some NVME drives. Still living in the sad SATA SSD world.

[flint coyote]

Meh same here.

But I have a bunch of them tho

And separate ones for os/games

[elfin warren]

Yep, me too

OS on one, games on a couple more

and a 4 TB platter for storage

[flint coyote]

So you think I’ll like my purchase?

[elfin warren]

Um, very much so

[flint coyote]

I’m excited

[elfin warren]

You should be. It's an amazing jump

[flint coyote]

The previous versions of intel offerings have been garbage and not worth the price

AMD really did it well

Glad to be a local Austinite as well.

[elfin warren]

They did. I was here for the 64 dual core revolution

And I'm here when they're back on top again

[flint coyote]

Here’s a throwback

[grizzled holly]

i just flew back in time for a few seconds..

[flint coyote]

Probably had 1gb of ram

Lol

[elfin warren]

I had one of those Barton CPU's

[grizzled holly]

Would you guys say this is a good upgrade? From this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4nXVFG to this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PnsZQq

[dense cedar]

yes

[elfin warren]

The H510 doesn't have the best airflow

Front intake is lacking

[grizzled holly]

What's another good case that's around that price and follows the color scheme? (black and white)

[elfin warren]

Try and find something with a more open front, otherwise it looks good

[misty belfry]

i only had 750MB on my Athlon XP system

it was the first computer i'd ever built

[flint coyote]

Antec is my goto - but most people don’t like it. Lol

[grizzled holly]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HY196Y8 based it around that

I'm gonna be putting that on top of my GPU backplate

[misty belfry]

Antec used to be like the kings of cases

[flint coyote]

Also, I’d throw out the AIO cooler, case, psu, ssd, and put more money in gpu

But that’s just me

I’d prefer to have an ugly case

[grizzled holly]

I'm planning on overclocking my CPU

[misty belfry]

SSD is important

[grizzled holly]

And the SSD would make it a lot faster

[flint coyote]

I’ll give him an ssd

[grizzled holly]

i need one now

c;

[dense cedar]

Meshify c time

[flint coyote]

On the way

[grizzled holly]

I'm gonna be using this PC for heavy streaming, some rendering, editing, recording and gaming.

Anyways, so what's a good case around that budget following the color scheme? (black and white)

[elfin warren]

SOmething like this?

https://www.newegg.com/white-phanteks-eclipse-p400a-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811854087

[grizzled holly]

(80 top)

[elfin warren]

K

[grizzled holly]

hmm

I don't wanna go with the same design as the case I have now 😂

[flint coyote]

https://www.amazon.com/Antec-Three-Hundred-Two-Pre-Installed/dp/B006TVQTHW

I’ll stick to what I know

And I know without a doubt it’ll work with your AIO

[grizzled holly]

🤢 🤮

[flint coyote]

Oh wait, it’s not dual 120

Lool

[grizzled holly]

LUL

[flint coyote]

Sorry not enough RGBs for you whipper snappers

[grizzled holly]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079JV8ZB9

[flint coyote]

I get it

[grizzled holly]

How about that?

[flint coyote]

Back in my day UV reactive round IDE cables were a huge fad

Same with acid washed jeans

[grizzled holly]

oh dear god it's a "back in my day" dude

ok boomer

[dense cedar]

Lol

[flint coyote]

I got boomed

[grizzled holly]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079JV8ZB9 but is that a good case?

[flint coyote]

Yeah that’s a sick case

[misty belfry]

https://www.amazon.com/Antec-NX600-Mid-Tower-Gaming/dp/B000I5JHB0 this is the great classic from the P4/Athlon 64 FX era

[flint coyote]

Tempered glass to boot.

[elfin warren]

I had the Antec 900

[flint coyote]

Omg yes!!!

[misty belfry]

i never could afford one of those

[flint coyote]

Same

[elfin warren]

yeah the Carbide is better than the H510

[grizzled holly]

Which is a better case (not looks wise) https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1508509-REG or https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079JV8ZB9

[misty belfry]

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Airflow-Tempered-Glass-Mid-Tower/dp/B07RQW7W9P this looks slick

[grizzled holly]

oh yeah I saw that

but out of those 2

which one is better? (not looks wise)

[flint coyote]

I’d go Corsair

[elfin warren]

Probably the BeQuiet

More intake room in the front

[grizzled holly]

time to flip a coin

bekora, heads or tails?

[misty belfry]

i'd say the be quiet case looks a lot better to me

[elfin warren]

Tails

[misty belfry]

in terms of build quality

[grizzled holly]

oh nevermind

bequiet wins

[elfin warren]

LOL

[grizzled holly]

sorry boomer ( @flint coyote )

[flint coyote]

Go with the antec 900

[elfin warren]

AY

I'm a BOOMER TOO FOO

[grizzled holly]

OK BOOMER

[misty belfry]

what is a boomer now even

[elfin warren]

Anyone older than the person saying BOOMER

[misty belfry]

like "anyone over 20" ?

[grizzled holly]

bekora is like 50

harry is like 100

frickin old farts

[elfin warren]

I'm not 50

[grizzled holly]

shhhh

[flint coyote]

I’m 32

[dense cedar]

lol

[grizzled holly]

ok millennial

[misty belfry]

i'm 36

[grizzled holly]

ok millennials

[flint coyote]

Lol

[grizzled holly]

ganging up on me i see

harry not talkin' because he know he 100

[dense cedar]

[grizzled holly]

shhh harry

i see you typing

[flint coyote]

Nah I’m just appreciating all of this.

[grizzled holly]

oh okay boomer

sorry had to edit it

[flint coyote]

Good stuff

Haha haha

[misty belfry]

Xennial in my case, which means I'm culturally from the gen x period but i'm not old enough

[flint coyote]

Well, I do live in a gated community on the golf course

[misty belfry]

also i have used "ok boomer" against truly old people before

[grizzled holly]

oK bOoMeR @flint coyote

[misty belfry]

ok zoomer

[flint coyote]

Bought it back when I got out of high school working for .50 cent per hour.

[grizzled holly]

@misty belfry @flint coyote

[misty belfry]

this is about how it works

[grizzled holly]

yes

boomer

huE huE

[misty belfry]

no boomer here

[grizzled holly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXwuhMEVqbw that's @flint coyote right now

[flint coyote]

No

[grizzled holly]

the white dude

yes

yes

[flint coyote]

I’m Mexican foo

[grizzled holly]

well

imagine that guy with a tan

k that's you

[misty belfry]

Mexican people don't look like white people with tans

[grizzled holly]

stop man

[dense cedar]

[grizzled holly]

i'm trying to base it down as easy as possible

[flint coyote]

@grizzled holly https://youtu.be/O_zx7jPLmyk

[grizzled holly]

oh dear god

i don't even wanna press play on that

[flint coyote]

Yes. Yes you doo.

[grizzled holly]

you're right, i do

oh dear god

what did i do

repent my sins

[dense cedar]

we buy golf clubs

we buy golf clubs

[split copper]

hAADdy yAAL

[grizzled holly]

I'M MIKE

[split copper]

this heS mIKE

[flint coyote]

I can’t stop laughing

[grizzled holly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfhEuP1D9iE

[misty belfry]

WE BUY GOLF

[grizzled holly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hCpFQG1-q8

nightmares upon nightmares..

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-head-out-gif-15136461

[dense cedar]

[grizzled holly]

yeah

TO HEAVEN

(you'll understand if you watched the video i linked)

[flint coyote]

What In the name of papa john schnatter

[grizzled holly]

lmao i bet you boomers and boomers

[dense cedar]

bet i'm younger than you

[flint coyote]

Yeah

Whip it out krayyon

Your dob, that is.

Bet you were born in aught’ 1

[misty belfry]

that is a current picture of Krayyon

[grizzled holly]

@dense cedar bet

how old are you

@flint coyote december 1st actually 🙂

[dense cedar]

14

[flint coyote]

Nice, both of my kids are December babies.

[grizzled holly]

HAH, IM 13

[dense cedar]

frick

[split copper]

oh

[grizzled holly]

I KNEW IT

OK BOOMER

[flint coyote]

Current picture of my babies

[dense cedar]

lol

beard

[flint coyote]

That’s another pic of my beautiful babies.

[grizzled holly]

ok

BOOMER

[naive pendant]

which is recommended, 32g or 16g of ram? mainly for gaming

[elfin warren]

16

[naive pendant]

is 32 just "overkill"/not needed?

[elfin warren]

Yes

[split copper]

sorta

but tbh

le nice leg room

[naive pendant]

ok, thank you, ill prob jus get 16 and upgrade later haha

[elfin warren]

Yep

I have 16

[split copper]

I have 12 😔

[elfin warren]

RIght now I'm using 6

[naive pendant]

how about like 3000,3200,3400 etc?

[split copper]

dunno 👀

[elfin warren]

what processor?

[naive pendant]

i9-9900k

[elfin warren]

3200-3600

[naive pendant]

alright

thanks man 🙂

[elfin warren]

Welcome

[flint coyote]

You can never have enough ramZ

merry chrissy y’all.

[misty belfry]

Merry Xmas, mountain time

[grizzled holly]

yos

[naive pendant]

Hey does anyone know how to enable integrated graphics on a gigabyte a320m s2h will using dedicated

I got another monitor but I don't have a spare hdmi cable and using the VGA port on my motherboard gives no output

[meager scarab]

First does ur cpu have integrated graphics

Second, I believe the integrated graphics option must be enabled from your bios

You can look up a video on how to do so for your motherboard or have a look through bios settings yourself

[hard badge]

I have a slight problem, my I bought 2x16 GB 2666 MHz Ram, and it is only running at 2133 Mhz. I have an OEM Computer and the BIOS isn't able to enable XMP or do anything to the ram.

[grim grove]

Lol

Get a new motherboard @hard badge

[hard badge]

I freaking new that somebody would tell me that.

[naive pendant]

@meager scarab I got it thanks and merry xmas

Selected integrated to start with it

And then it uses the gpu for games in windows

[meager scarab]

Merry Christmas and np

Happy gaming

[rich compass]

@hard badge How much access does your BIOS allow you? You might be able to manually overclock your RAM.

[naive pendant]

I have a single 8GB RAM stick in my laptop. Is it okay for me to buy a 4GB RAM stick as long as both are DDR4?

[elfin warren]

And the same speed with the same timings

[naive pendant]

Yeah, ok. Thanks! I think it's the same brand as well.

[elfin warren]

Sweet!

That will work

[naive pendant]

Yeah, on Crucial.com they have a list of compatible upgrades for my exact laptop

[elfin warren]

Perfect

No harm running different sizes provided the rest match

[naive pendant]

Oh. On the website where I'm buying the ram it says it's X16 while it says X8 on Crucial.com. Does that matter?

[elfin warren]

Not sure what the X represents for ram? Have a link?

[naive pendant]

https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/legion-y520-15ikba/CT10919096

[elfin warren]

I don't see the X16 or X8 there?

[naive pendant]

The point where it says x8 Based. On the site where I'm going to buy the RAM it says it has an x16

You have to go further down on the site

[elfin warren]

I scrolled to the reviews

[elfin warren]

AH, I see it now

Not an issue

It'll be fine

[naive pendant]

That's where I'm buying. It's on a Norwegian site since shipping from the US is too expensive

[elfin warren]

Yup, no issue

[naive pendant]

Cool, thanks!

[elfin warren]

Welcome!

[naive pendant]

will 3200 ram be good for a 3600x?? or is it better to just get the 3600 ram

because i don’t think the store i’m going to has 3600 so i’d have to wait extra for 3600

[clear geyser]

I actually wish someone would give me their ram that they don't use, but dreams be dreams.

[fathom tulip]

Is the 7 2700x a good pair for the 2080

[main pulsar]

yep

[rich compass]

Alright, I'm struggling a bit with my OLOy memory. It keeps defaulting itself back to 2133MHz, it looks like the XMP default isn't stable.

[simple ore]

enable xmp and then reduce the multiplier

[rich compass]

What will the multiplier be labled in the BIOS?

[simple ore]

what mobo do you have?

System memory multiplier.

[rich compass]

Asrock B450m pro4

[simple ore]

What CPU and what's the ram rated for?

I can't get 3200 stable on my mobo so I'm running at 3033

3066*

[rich compass]

Ryzen 7 2700x, RAM is rated for 3600MHz.

[simple ore]

You can't use 3600 speed it's not compatible.

You have to reduce the multiplier.

[rich compass]

Alright. When I reduce the multiplier, will I need to tweak any timings?

[naive pendant]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dsu9K1Nt_7apHBdiy0MWVPcYjf6nOlr9CtkkfN78tSo/edit#gid=1814864213

[simple ore]

I didn't I left it alone. It runs just fine

[narrow mortar]

Any reason not to buy the 3950x over the 3900x besides price? It's in stock locally here.

[naive pendant]

Not really. Just ensure the mobo/cooler are up to the task.

[astral cobalt]

Hey, so I have a 2200g and am planning on getting a 1650 super, im thinking of geting a B450 D3SH, any suggestions or telling me off from buying it

[restive wedge]

@narrow mortar Probably an extra 6-12 months usefulness depending on how useful cores are over clock speed in 5+ years, and definitely a huge edge in terms of "Slap a modern GPU in and itll be a good enough gaming rig" down in the future

[narrow mortar]

@restive wedge 👍thank ya. Gonna go snag it on Saturday!

[rich compass]

@simple ore I'm not seeing a multiplier option. Is there another name for it?

[cerulean forge]

Is a Ryzen 5 2600 better than a i3 4170

[restive wedge]

Yes, its not even close competition.

[cerulean forge]

I have a Ryzen 9 3900 or something like that is it better still?

[restive wedge]

What are you talking about?

[rich compass]

Check out some benchmark comparisons. I think Ryzen 9s are top of their class right now.

[misty belfry]

@astral cobalt I would suggest putting the BIOS updates on that motherboard and getting a Ryzen 3 CPU instead of the GPU and then getting the GPU at a later time

[astral cobalt]

@misty belfry I'm sorry what do you mean by putting the bios updates in the motherboard

[misty belfry]

i mean installing BIOS updates

[astral cobalt]

Oh

[misty belfry]

every motherboard has a different way of doing it

you'd need to put your current CPU in the motherboard

then do the updates

[astral cobalt]

I currently have a ryzen 3, did I make a typo?

[misty belfry]

then put the new Ryzen 3000 series CPU in there

you have a 2000 series

sorry i wasn't clear

[astral cobalt]

Yes and?

[misty belfry]

i was mistaken in my phrasing

[astral cobalt]

Im confused why 3000 would make a difference

Oh and no worries

[misty belfry]

because they are better CPUs

[astral cobalt]

Also I apologise that im a slight idiot

I got that

I also already have the cpu

[misty belfry]

a 3600 would improve things enough that in the future you could get a new GPU and it wouldn't be bottlenecked

we know you have a CPU

[astral cobalt]

Oh

[misty belfry]

i am saying that the CPU is insufficient and you should get something else before you buy a 2060 Super (or actually an RX 5700 XT)

5700 XT will actually save a bit of money

[astral cobalt]

I'm planning on a 1650 super

You might be confusing the gpu with someone else

[misty belfry]

don't you want a card that's just as good for less money

[astral cobalt]

1650 super is 160 iirc

[misty belfry]

oh you're right

i thought you said 2060 super

[astral cobalt]

While a 2060 non super is like 350

Oh np

[misty belfry]

nevermind, keep the same CPU/motherboard, just get the GPU

[astral cobalt]

Alright

[misty belfry]

your motherboard will suit you weil for the CPU you have

[astral cobalt]

Well the gpu will be in a bit

[misty belfry]

as long as that CPU works

[astral cobalt]

It should

Do motherboards require ram just to boot?

[misty belfry]

yes

[astral cobalt]

Oh okay

[misty belfry]

you require 16GB because you want to play games

[astral cobalt]

I have 16gb

[misty belfry]

ah good

[astral cobalt]

I returned a b450m-hdv from ASRock because I thought it was the problem

But I guess the ram could also be an issue

[misty belfry]

does your computer work now?

[astral cobalt]

It didn't boot, I'm waiting for the D3SH to arrive

[simple ore]

@rich compass I have no idea. It would be with memory management. Where all your timings and such are.

[untold flax]

Hello. I need a question about compatible ram. Asus can not give me a definitve answer and i know ram is hard to return from what ive heard. They say that i can go up to 32gb 2666 but thats all i get. Nothing about timing or pins. can someone shed some insight/

?

[restive wedge]

As for pins, if its DDR3 ram itll fit on a mobo that supports DDR3 only. If its DDR4 ram, itll fit a DDR4 mobo only. I believe 2666 is specifically only DDR4? ITs been so long I dont remember if 2400 was the real cutoff for DDR3 or not.

CAS latency/timings etc have nothing to do with motherboard compatibility

[untold flax]

Thanks @restive wedge

[simple ore]

3k for ddr3

But you're gonna pay about 750 US for 1 8GB stick.

[untold flax]

I’m running ddr4. Just want to make sure the 16gb I’m buying is going to be right. Asus said it should but I hate should. I like to work in definite.

[simple ore]

Ddr4 compatible Mobo should contain it. What kit are you getting and with what Mobo?

[untold flax]

Idk the mobo info. It’s from a prebuilt asus gl10dh. And I was going to get a 16gb kit off amazon or Newegg. Something like this.

[muted roost]

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820233859

[simple ore]

Yeah just any 2666 kit should do it justice. If you can afford it try for a higher frequency kit.

Unless that is what's supported.

[celest kelp]

Is this 4000 MHZ Ram?

[simple ore]

My 2070s is at like 7200

[elfin warren]

Yes.

[celest kelp]

YESSSSS

I paid for 3000 MHZ ram

And they sent me 4000

Let's goooo!!

[devout moth]

Silas#8248 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[weary hemlock]

Ah ... lol

Whenever I see/hear somebody say “let’s goo!!” I think of busta rhymes ad lib on Chris browns look at me now song...

[blazing notch]

So i got a ryzen 2700x for the holidays was wondering if i should just turn it back in and pay a little extra for the ryzen 5 3600

[naive pendant]

is corsair vengeance typically good

[tropic wren]

what kind @naive pendant

[naive pendant]

ddr4 3600

[tropic wren]

Latency?

[naive pendant]

cl18

i got it on sale for 75

[fleet inlet]

I heard CL16 and > is better

[tropic wren]

Go read thru the convo we just had in #building-and-recc-chat, but its not terrible

[fleet inlet]

But it’s still nice I think

[naive pendant]

ok i guess its not the best, but at least i didnt pay extra

ty

[restive wedge]

@celest kelp @elfin warren Did both of you just read the graphics card clock speed and think it was ram?

[fathom tulip]

Anyone know a decent Mobo with mystic light or aurau sync or whatever that has a 3 pin 5 v header?

[fathom tulip]

For AMD

[naive pendant]

Ayo I'm helping a friend buy a laptop and we found a good deal one with ryzen 3 but it only comes with 4gb ram so I recommended he also buy an upgraded stick. Is a faster ram module worth it?

[restive wedge]

Depends on what he needs to use it for. There are some low spec ryzen 3s which could bottleneck it as much as that ram.

Kind of hard to comment on without knowing all the exact specs

[naive pendant]

He plans to use it for: "Office/studyint, netflix, maybe TFT"

Laptop: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RF1XD36/?coliid=ICJSZT57E2LL8&colid=L9XFV44SVOEO&psc=1&ref_=lv_vv_lig_dp_it

Memory: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071KNKBQ1?tag=price17016-20&ascsubtag=wtbs_5e04e434f140b1d955428218&th=1 (found using the crucial site for compatibility)

Faster memory: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q3HNC79?tag=price17016-20&ascsubtag=wtbs_5e04e434f140b1d955428218&th=1

[restive wedge]

Im assuming its using 4gb right now?

[naive pendant]

yes

[restive wedge]

I mean, it wont relaly benefit from speed, but itd probably be noticable to have 8gb over 4 if he has multiple even light applications open like chrome, word and other office programs etc. Id imagine he'd see a bottleneck there using only 4.

If you're sure the CPU wont bottleneck and its much cheaper to get that + the ram than a new laptop with better specs then go for that.

[naive pendant]

I see thank you!

[shy wyvern]

My computer uses 2.8 at idle with nothing open. I would definitely push for 8gb

[tawny harness]

@blazing notch with more cores and more threads on the 2700x, you should keep what you have. The 2700x retails for more anyway around $300. The only advantage of the 3 series of ryzen is the new features such as pcie gen 4 (which in the case of storage is extremely expensive)

[crystal zephyr]

What's a good mobo to pair with the 3600x for future OC and upgradability

If you reply please @ me so I see the notification

[naive pendant]

Saw some people asking in general -
If you don't know what memory to get for a zen2 build - 3600c16 kits of 2 dimms is a good place to start looking.
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007611 601349177 601203950 600528730 600052012&Order=PRICE

[crystal zephyr]

Awesome thanks

[naive pendant]

x570 aorus elite, pro, ultra - all great. Asus TUF x570, prime-p have been popular as well.

[crystal zephyr]

I've heard less than kind things about the x570 chipset

[tropic wren]

Its not bad just alot of the features non power users might never need like PCIe 4.0(unless you want to use nvme ssds requiring 4.0)Id reccomend it because it will help ylu in the future upgrading and allow more bandwidth. As far as recommendations if your going budget like 150 to 200 the aours elite w/ no wifi and asus prime p are pretty good options for x570. The tuff to, its pretty bare bones though.

As far as over 250$ youd have to ask someone else

[simple ore]

@restive wedge they did indeed 🙈

[restive wedge]

@crystal zephyr I went with the Asus X570-Plus TUF. I cant compare it to the rest, but I saw it was the best for me after looking into it.

Imagine how cheap an old 3950x will be in 5 years, slapping it on an X570 and OCing it. Then stick a GPU on it because its likely there will be PCI 4 utilising GPUs by then and e-z

[tropic wren]

I just want 3950xs to be in stock

i want oneeee

[simple ore]

I feel like PC parts are about to skyrocket in price. I mean what advancements can be made honestly?

[tropic wren]

Nah

But yeah theres not much more to do

[restive wedge]

Mines still on preorder. Went ahead with the entire rest of the system and waiting

[tropic wren]

Lol, im waiting on my 2070 s its not even in stock till jan 4

[restive wedge]

GPU/CPU prices still have a ways to go down, intel and nvidia's price gouging isn't back down to reasonable margin yet.

Im not sure what a better brand for ram. Crucial Ballistix or Viper Steel. Both are the only 3600mhz CL16 I can find within a reasonable price. The one I bought before is out of stock. No cheap ram is in stock anywhere in the UK

[tropic wren]

I feel like its because of the same reason intel could gouge us for so long, there really very little gpu competition

[restive wedge]

Ryzen 3rd gen = AMD now has the money to compete with GPUs too.

[tropic wren]

Honeslty the next few years i feel are going to be very interesting.

[restive wedge]

Almost thought newegg might be cheaper than any other site for a change. After that shipping cost, not even close

Anyone had much experience with patriot viper steel series ram?

[gritty meadow]

re: price gouging: the market adjusts according to demand.

[restive wedge]

^ You cannot just negate lack of competition being a factor in pricing.

[gritty meadow]

we have had options at all price points. since basically the start of the personal computing era started

it might not be the performance that YOU want at the price YOU want.

but that does not mean that it is gouging

[tropic wren]

We will have to agree to disagree

[gritty meadow]

if you want to complain about a lack of competition, i would recommend that you start trying to teach people how to read :)

because there are a LOT of people that buy what they are told is "fast". without any critical thought applied.

[restive wedge]

^ I've seen people banned for insulting people to a lesser degree than that.

[gritty meadow]

how is that an insult?

[tropic wren]

I never complained once bud, i just said that it is clear pricing is clearly effected by competion. Otherwise intel wouldnt have launched the 10980xe at half the price of it predecessor

[gritty meadow]

hm, so because i used the general "you", you assumed i was talking about you directly?

[tropic wren]

well you followed up my stamemt with a paragraph, my apologies

[gritty meadow]

re: price affected by competition: ofc it is. I never claimed it was free of effect from it.

it was a general statement @tropic wren , it was not aimed at you directly.

[slow ledge]

I have a question, what motherboard is compatible with Intel core i5 2400 and AMD radeon rx 550

[floral jetty]

Lga 1155 motherboards

[slow ledge]

ok

thanks

🙏

@floral jetty would a Intel Xeon 3.6GHz fit in the LGA 1155?

And which is better the Xeon or the i5?

[jovial kernel]

you can check all of it on google..

[slow ledge]

yea but i trust u guys

and plus i might get some stuff wrong by reading off google

[jovial kernel]

i think its the opposite but ill try and help you

[slow ledge]

ok

[restive wedge]

I don't know if any xeons fit in a 1155. I know theres some for 1156 though

[slow ledge]

ok then a i5 would be better

[restive wedge]

As in, I dont think*

[slow ledge]

k

[restive wedge]

I mean, its not a case of which is better, its what will actually work

And if you have a 1155, you dont really have a choice.

[jovial kernel]

ey they don't

[slow ledge]

no i dont have any of the parts yet

this is my first build

im still searching

thanks tho

[jovial kernel]

get me your budget i might be able to help u

[slow ledge]

uhh like $200 - $250

[restive wedge]

For a whole PC build?

[jovial kernel]

oh thats tough

[slow ledge]

yea ikr

[restive wedge]

You're pretty screwed if thats your budget.

[slow ledge]

well i dont have a choice over my budget

[restive wedge]

Not even the cheapest Ryzen APUs could help you out there new I dont think.

Your best bet would be to buy an old used server PC that has a high (for its old age) core count Xeon cpu or something and slapping in a $100-150 GPU

[slow ledge]

well i'm settling for the i5 and radeon rx 550 and 8g of ram

and it's still not over $140

from where i found it

i found a radeon rx 550 for $69.99

[restive wedge]

Where are you possibly finding a new i5 for that price

[slow ledge]

amazon

it's for $29.99

[restive wedge]

The i5-660?

[slow ledge]

no 2400

[restive wedge]

So you're going for used then

[slow ledge]

yea

if it's used does it mean it'll run more badly

[restive wedge]

No guarantee of lifespan. And that's already had 8 years of it.

[slow ledge]

yea

whats a better budget cpu

?

[naive pendant]

How budget? $30? 2500k

[slow ledge]

for just the cpu?

yea u could say $30

@naive pendant where did u find a 2500k for 30 bucks

[naive pendant]

https://i.imgur.com/8dT5uyA.png

[slow ledge]

ok

where exactly did you find that?

lol

amazon? ebay?

[naive pendant]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-3-30GHz-Quad-Core-Desktop-CPU-LGA1155-6MB-SR008/362608407295?hash=item546d2532ff%3Ag%3AcyYAAOSwN3NcQlyM&LH_BIN=1

[slow ledge]

ok thanks

[simple ore]

price jumped to 46 😦

[slow ledge]

yea

[simple ore]

could get an old xeon processor

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-X3470-2-93GHz-8M-4-Core-8-Threads-LGA-1156-Socket-H-CPU-km/312592551968?hash=item48c7f7d020:g:3~YAAOSw~Utchpz~

thats the last one too

if you want i have a parts list for a 350 budget you could actually make it closer to 300 if you find a deal on ebay for a cheaper 570 just message me and ill send you all the links.

[gritty meadow]

@slow ledge keep in mind, the popular oc cpus from yesteryear are quite likely to have been hammered to kingdom come. So dont expect to be able to get anything but stock from them.

[slow ledge]

yea

[gritty meadow]

also, have you thought about the need for a case?

[slow ledge]

im finding pretty good stuff with my friend rn

yea i already found a case

[gritty meadow]

as in, IF you dont need a case, you can do a bit more "weird" stuff

[slow ledge]

me and my friend are figuring it out

[simple ore]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-P7H55-M-PRO-H55-Motherboard-LGA-1156-DDR3-M-ATX-Intel-i3-540-CPU-12GB-RAM/303419440310?hash=item46a5353cb6:g:XYQAAOSwGTheBPJ-

that one includes ram just swap the cpu for the xeon

[slow ledge]

ok

[gritty meadow]

by weird, i mean: There are office machines that get sold for fairly cheap. the normal downside is the case they come in (generally slimline, meaning you cannot fit a normal height GPU).

you would be sidestepping that IF you didnt need a case

[naive pendant]

I've run into that problem often - if the mobo itsel fits - you can sometimes drill out/ cut off the hdd cages.

[simple ore]

ive done it as well rip

[naive pendant]

But to shoehorn an atx, eatx etc into a dell optiplex mini-tower - you have to cut a slot into the side panel with an angle grinder or osmething

Probably

[simple ore]

https://shopucw.com/products/hp-elitedesk-600-800-g1-sff-i5?variant=31478170419282

[gritty meadow]

as in, buy something cheap because it is seen as "not fitting"

[naive pendant]

I mean, I have less ghetto builds too ..
Haha ya- the mobo box is always a classic case

[simple ore]

put a 1650lp in it and bam cheap pc

[gritty meadow]

and then just stripping the case

[naive pendant]

I use the external back panel of a 7010 for a SWATX mobo mount now - coun't fit it inside lol.
Didn't want to drill holes in any of my 4u's

[daring edge]

Can anyone give me a tip for how to figure out what my problem is? I have a Ryzen 7 3700X on an MSI mpg gaming plus x570 board and I keep getting a CPU error light.

My CPU did show up with box open but none of the pins were bent

[elfin warren]

8 pin power plugged in?

[daring edge]

Yes. But there is also a CPU2 next to it that looks like it would take a 4 pin and I don’t know if I need that too?

[elfin warren]

Don't need that, 8 pin only is fine

[daring edge]

Ok then yeah it’s plugged in. The rest of my system lights up and comes alive I just can’t get it to post and I get the LED reading a CPU error. Is there a chance I got a shotty CPU?

[elfin warren]

If it was an open box and the light is on, that's a very good chance. I'm checking a couple things also

No boot or display, just the CPU LED?

What happens if you turn it on and just wait a bit?

Also, try clearing the CMOS with the battery or the jumper.

[daring edge]

No boot i let it sit for like 5 min and even tried using the hdmi on the mother board and I still got nothing. Yeah just the LED. I have no idea how to do that

[elfin warren]

There is a button cell battery on the motherboard

First, unplug the power supply from the wall

Then, remove the button cell battery and leave it out for a couple minutes

Reinstall it, then try to boot again

battery is directly below PCI-E 1 slot

[daring edge]

Oh yeah I know what your talking about I will try that again when I get the chance. I already went ahead and did a return on the cpu with amazon to see if I would get one that isn’t open when it arrives and see if that would solve my problem.

[elfin warren]

That's probably the issue since it was an open box

[daring edge]

This info I’m going to keep in mind just in case it doesn’t work when I get the new CPU.

Thanks so much for the help @elfin warren! Mind if I add you in case I have problems later if it doesn’t work? This is my first build and I have no one that I know who can help me with this stuff.

[elfin warren]

Ya, or just ask again in here

[daring edge]

For sure will do! Thanks fam!

[elfin warren]

Welcome!

[gritty meadow]

@daring edge try and do a re-seating of the cpu IF the previous advice doesnt work.

might be that your cooler is putting un-even pressure on it

[daring edge]

Cool! Will do! I kind noticed that it tried to seat early, just before I had it all the way over the socket so I did wonder about it. But when I took it back out I didn’t notice any pins bent. Oh that’s true! This cooler clamps really weird. When I get my next CPU I will be careful to watch that.

[gritty meadow]

example: if your cooler has 4 mounting screws, tighten them in a diagonal pattern and only a tiny bit on each screw at a time

(yes, this might seem overly cautious, but there is fairly wide gulf of difference in experience between people. so better safe than sorry)

[slow valley]

I am willing to buy a motherboard https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-x470-f-gaming/p/N82E16813119099?Item=N82E16813119099 with the ryzen 7 3700x
I am wondering if the motherboard bios is updated to work with ryzen 3700x

[naive pendant]

Edit , nvm, won't be able to say for sure unless it's labeled with x.xx bios . Regardless - are you open to input on MB choice for a new 3700x build?. https://i.redd.it/58am663beh931.png

[misty belfry]

it's cool my board can handle a 3900X at stock without any issues

when they hit $300 i'll grab one

[naive pendant]

The $150 2700's on prime day gave me the same idea haha.

[misty belfry]

i'm getting a 2600X for $125

because i'm not into pushing heavy OCs

[naive pendant]

What's your current setup?

[misty belfry]

current setup is just a haswell off the shelf HP with a GTX 1650

in about a week i buy new parts

and everything goes in the define nano S

and i already have a place for the current system

[naive pendant]

Could make a great router or NAS /server.

[misty belfry]

yeah, i feel like giving it to someone however

[naive pendant]

Even better

[misty belfry]

old hardware i always just give away to mostly family and sometimes friends