cpus-mobo-and-memory

[sudden creek]

Would make my life so much easier lmfao

[wind karma]

What's the power draw of the 9950x3d?

[sudden creek]

When I overclocked it in Alaska, it pulled 300w in Cinebench though gaming was around 160w max. In my current power limited config due to my damaged PSU it's drawing 120w max with CCD2 disabled.

[wind karma]

Ok

At 140w I wouldn't expect the air coming off the aio to be that warm, the vrms and ram would probably be fine

At 300w they might need their own fresh air

[sudden creek]

I use 1.85v VDD for the ram.

So that's why this whole airflow situation has had my mind going loco.

[sudden creek]

You think having the top as intake would help counter this issue of the ram overheating.

[wind karma]

Probably not

[sudden creek]

Any ideas on how to make all the parts happy?

[wind karma]

Only thing that comes to mind is not running 1.85v ram and cpu at 300w

[sudden creek]

https://www.reddit.com/r/mffpc/comments/1okulo1/lian_li_a3_with_dual_360mm_aios/

Not perfect but I found this post.

[wind karma]

I'm in a 22ish liter case but with a 4070 and 5700x3d both undervolted

So gaming it pulls like 300w total lol

[sudden creek]

That's good.

[sudden creek]

5090 (AIO) and CPU (AIO), the cpu hits 90c in OCCT extreme but it's receiving the GPU's heat dump.

[wind karma]

The gpu is one of those combo models I think

So it's got a fan that exhausts out the rear as well as the aio

[sudden creek]

He has a MSI Suprim Liquid.

[sudden creek]

interesting.

[sudden creek]

Yeah seems to be the case

[ripe tartan]

No that seems to be a gpu

[sudden creek]

We're trying to figure out how I keep a 300W cpu, 400w gpu, and a 1.85v VDD ram kit happy in a Dan A3.

[wind karma]

Honestly the solution might be custom ductwork

If you have cad skills and access to a 3d printer

[sudden creek]

Having the CPU as side intake makes the CPU and GPU happy but the ram will be receiving roughly 700w of heat dump in a worst case scenario.

[sudden creek]

to route the heat from the cpu and gpu out the rear so a top intake can cool the ram?

[wind karma]

I'd probably try to make the gpu its own contained thing so it exhausts out the side and rear

And then idk about the CPU rad

[sudden creek]

lmao SFF is a pain huh

[wind karma]

Not if you aren't doing 1.85v on your ram

[sudden creek]

Nahhh 1.85v is small.

xD Hynix ICs for the win

[wind karma]

Isn't xmp for ddr5 like 1.35v

[sudden creek]

whoa this is sick but I don't have the budget.

[wind karma]

Or is it higher

[sudden creek]

1.35v with OC kits going to 1.45v

[wind karma]

Ah

[sudden creek]

Hynix A and M die can take as high as 1..85v if you keep the temps under control. I know some folks that ran 2v

[sudden creek]

You are on DDR4 still I presume?

[wind karma]

Mhm

[sudden creek]

Any chance your'd be interested in a 32GB 4000cl18 kit?

[wind karma]

Probably not, bumped to a 32gb 3600cl16 kit right as ram was starting to spike and gonna try and ride it out till I move to a new platform

[sudden creek]

Hmm alright.

at this point I guess my best hope is just try it with the aio as intake and try the top as intake and exhaust to see which yields the best results.

[wind karma]

Also not sure if I'd see much of a benefit from 4000mhz on the 5700x3d anyways

Cause of the extra cache

[sudden creek]

Fair. I saw a benefit on my 9950x3D though as you've probably figured I tuned my ram to an extreme.

6400cl26 with most timings close to the floor or at the floor (1st, 2nd, and 3rd timings all tuned).

[wind karma]

I'll appemd this to *gaming benefit. Not really an oc highscore chaser

5700x3d doesn't really oc anyways

[sudden creek]

Are those limited to UV only?

this is the GPU I plan to put in an A3.

Actually hmmm. I just noticed the gpu's exhaust is a good distance away from the ram.

[wind karma]

Freq multiplier is locked

So a slight UV and it consistently hits max clocks even on my little single tower cooler

[sudden creek]

That's good.

[wind karma]

I believe there were concerns with damaging the 3d cache by OCing? Not sure

But AMD locked it down pretty hard

[sudden creek]

my v-cache ccd does 5.75ghz with negative COs between -20 with best cores doing -80 and -90mv.

[wind karma]

Thicc

[sudden creek]

The cache to my understanding was becomming a hot pocket and overheating on early v-cache models.

[wind karma]

Hmm

[sudden creek]

wasn't till 9000 series that they flipped the v-cache on top on the ccds.

[wind karma]

Still wish they'd let you increase frequency even if max voltage was limited

[sudden creek]

agreed.

[sudden creek]

Indeed. 360mm x 140ish x 70mm if I recall.

anyways, seeing this gives me hope that the ram won't overheat since the heat dump is not directly onto it.

I think I am gonna set it up as

• Rear intake
• Top Exhaust
• Side Intake (AIO)
• Bottom Intake (GPU)

This way, the rear intake fan will blow the hot air from the GPU away from the RAM and have all the hot air exhausted limiting the heat affecting the RAM to just the CPU.

@wind karma thoughts?

[wind karma]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Best to just try it out I suppose

[sudden creek]

Mhmm it's decided then.

[sudden creek]

I can't remember, does the Intel B460M platform have a backplate?

I am looking at this and I feel like I am missing something that this board comes with.

[scenic solar]

if you're referring to the cooler backplate then no, Intel motherboards don't come with one, unlike amd

with the b460 you're supposed to use the one that comes with the cooler

[sudden creek]

Ahh thank you.

Seems I've gotten way to used to AMD.

[meager elbow]

Yeah that's one of the nice things about amd
The stock backplate is nice metal

Intel stock cooler doesn't need a backplate

And alot of cheaper coolers use a shitty plastic backplate

[sudden creek]

I was freaking out thinking I lost it lmao.

[meager elbow]

Lmao

[sudden creek]

I got a buyer for the X670, and both CPU+BOARD combos!!! That pays for my case, board, and fan swap. : 😄

[sudden creek]

@meager elbow @wind karma @cursive epoch @limpid warren

I am planning on buying a 4G tube of LM with 5ml of conformal coat combo. Can I get some advice on how to apply LM?

I have a TG AM5 Contact frame for my CPU with a foam insert in it.

[wind karma]

zero clue sorry. Only used paste and PTM

[meager elbow]

4 grams? how many cpus are you doing got damn

[cursive epoch]

get some kapton tape or do conformal coating on the surrounding areas on the mobo

and the cpu's pcb

[sudden creek]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/aw/d/B0D7QRXBCP/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A31ZN6QTARCOHE&psc=1

[cursive epoch]

just in case leaks happen

[sudden creek]

This is the combo I was looking at

[meager elbow]

you dont need to use kapton tape for liquid metal, pretty much any tape would be fine

just during application

[cursive epoch]

kapton tape is just to be safe tbh

[sudden creek]

About the same price as the 1-2g alternatives

And comes with conformal

[cursive epoch]

i have no experience with LM however

so im only speaking from what i learned

[sudden creek]

The tape is removed after application?

[meager elbow]

with liquid metal, less is more
just put a small drop and spread it across the IHS

note that you may need to warm the tube in some warm water

[sudden creek]

I have Duct tape on hand though that seems excessive

[meager elbow]

probably not duct tape

[cursive epoch]

make sure the coldplate is nickel coated or pure copper tho

that stuff eats thru aluminum

[meager elbow]

yeah no alu coldplates or else it'll disintegrate

[sudden creek]

@meager elbow so the combo comes with 4G of LM, some swabs, and 5ml of conformal coating.

I have a bare copper coldplate

[cursive epoch]

that's good

[sudden creek]

I don't like my CPU hitting 70c in games. I miss the -20 ambient of Alaska.

[meager elbow]

if you want to be safe, you could conformal coat the surrounding area to prevent any shorts from splashes, but as long as you do it correctly with a small enough amount, you shouldn't have any issue with leakage

[sudden creek]

Do I need conformal since my AM5 frame has a foam insert?

I'd like to avoid destroying my warranty if possible.

[meager elbow]

i'm not entirely sure if LM would be able to keep the cpu from hitting 70? cpus tend to boost till the hotspot hits thermal limits, and thermal transfer works better the greater the deta T is

[sudden creek]

I want to minimize temps for OC and due to downsizing to an Dan A3.

[meager elbow]

conformal is more for the surrounding resistors/capacitors/other smd components

[sudden creek]

I am currently using the last of my TF7 paste.

Had PTM prior to that.

[meager elbow]

you do definitely want to use the foam to protect the socket; you don't need to conformal coat the socket or anything like that
you could look at some youtube guides on liquid metal application, but you could put some liquid metal onto something out of the way of the pc, and then use the swab to coat the IHS, because there is a slight risk of you squeezing too hard and squirt some liquid metal onto the rest of the motherboard, though if you're careful and preheat the tube enough you should be safe

[sudden creek]

I am not against putting conformal on the board if that's recommended. I'd just rather not undo the warranty on my $1000 CPU (local market) unless I do a delid.

[sudden creek]

Oh so remove the CPU, apply the lm then seat the CPU into the socket?

[meager elbow]

no, keep the cpu in the socket with the foam installed

[sudden creek]

This is what my CPU looks like with the frame

There is a foam insert under it.

So with the CPU and frame installed, carefully apply a small amount of LM then use the swab to spread it?

And you recommend I run the tube of LM under hot water to make it easier to apply?

[meager elbow]

https://youtu.be/w7ChaNf9N-w?t=706 timestamped the relevant part

[sudden creek]

Thank you.

[vague apex]

I'd just be aware that it's going to be a lot of work and some risk for not a lot of difference.

[meager elbow]

^

probably like 2-3c of difference

(compared to a proper quality thermal paste)

manufacturers have made very good nonconductive pastes

[sudden creek]

I want to try LM. Part of my consideration is due to my CPU getting really hot with the AC off when it pulls 300w.

[meager elbow]

only "problem" with paste is that you need to replace it much more often than liquid metal applications to keep its performance, but repasting is alot easier than doing liquid metal

[sudden creek]

How often should I reapply LM?

[meager elbow]

i'd like to reiterate that thermal transfer works better the greater the deta T (temperature differential) so no matter how good your thermal interface is, thermal energy will transfer slower the smaller the difference between your room temp and the heatsink temp

[meager elbow]

you could go years without messing with it honestly
similar to paste though, i would probably reapply any time you take off the cooler?

[sudden creek]

Oh that's really good.

How many applications is 4g worth roughly?

[meager elbow]

dozens probably? you use such a tiny amount each time

honestly have no clue lmao

[sudden creek]

Seems LM on average gets 10-13c lower load temps than TG Kryonaught.

[vague apex]

Says who? That is wildly optimistic even for direct die let alone with the ihs on.

[sudden creek]

Was looking at some images like this. Granted it's with a very low power chip in the first picture.

[meager elbow]

2nd one is delid vs not delid

[vague apex]

We've also got tom's saying there is a 12C gap between liquid metal and toothpaste. You'll notice in the GN one that's LM + Delid and different coolers.

[meager elbow]

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/kryonaut-12-w-mk-vs-conductonaut-liquid-metal-73-w-mk.229167/ here is an example of only 3c of difference

they tested with a chiller set to the same parameters with ambient temps being the same as well

granted, these tests were also almost a full decade ago as well

but liquid metal hasn't improved much in the past decade

but the average paste has, and also ptm

[vague apex]

If I was redoing anything I'd be going mx7 or duronaut.

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay. I missed that. I noticed the different coolers.

How good is MX7/Duronaught compared to PTM?

[vague apex]

I wouldn't use ptm on a cpu at all. For gpu or laptop sure. TG says durnonaut is a little better than kryonaut and you don't have to worry about the temp sensitivity kryonaut had where you were supposed to keep it under 80C if you wanted it to last.

[sudden creek]

May I ask why not use PTM on the CPU? I had really good results with it.

Thank you for the tip on the Kryonaut and Duronaut.

[vague apex]

It should work fine but it's needlessly complicated and more expensive. For direct die stuff it can really help with hotspots and with pump out, you don't have to worry about that so much with an ihs. Just don't get crappy thin paste and it'll be alright.

[ripe tartan]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/17730365913?

would this work as a USB hub I can plug more of my case usb connectors into?

My case has more usb connectors than my motherboard supports

[meager elbow]

I don't see why it wouldn't, but would likely lower the amount of current your ports can draw assuming they all were drawing the same amount

[ripe tartan]

I just want them to be usable

I don’t put much more than my kb&m + controller in

[meager elbow]

Keyboard and mouse in front panel?

What are you, a psycho?

[vague apex]

At least it's not bt.

[ripe tartan]

Nonono
Like
I want to be able to put anything in those front panel

[meager elbow]

Oh

It should be fine then

[vague apex]

What case do you have anyway? It's pretty uncommon to see more than 2 usb2 ports.

[ripe tartan]

Not my picture

Taken off Reddit

But I have usb for case at the front there
And then my mobo

https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-atx-full-tower-stacker-830-evolution-aluminum-computer-case-black-rc-830-kkn3-gp/p/N82E16811119122?

photo #5 and #7

[meager elbow]

Damn it got the mesh side panel

[ripe tartan]

I have cut out the FireWire cable due to issues it was causing

[ripe tartan]

Aluminum mesh***

All metal baabbbbyyyy

[meager elbow]

Mesh side panel and FireWire definitely age this case lmao

[ripe tartan]

2007 release

Mine is technically the CoolerMaster Stacker 832.

[meager elbow]

Kinda surprised it doesn't have a 5.25" bay or 2 unless it's hidden

[ripe tartan]

Meaning, I don’t have those side panel things

[meager elbow]

I feel like PC cases losing the 5.25" bays were the same feeling as like phones losing the headphone jack or like charge port that apple was thinking of

[cursive epoch]

the lack of bays allowed more cooling though

so it's a tradeoff that could be worth it

but i understand that losing drive bays can be a problem

[meager elbow]

They definitely did but sometimes you miss it

Even just one bay would have been nice

[cursive epoch]

all that storage and silly stuff you can slot inside one of those bays is cool

like a physical fan speed knob is pretty nice to have lmao

[ripe tartan]

What are half these words

[meager elbow]

One of the PCs I got at some point had a drive selector with a good clunk every time you switched between drives

[ripe tartan]

Oh wait

I have the 831

[cursive epoch]

fdd, floppy disk drive?

[ripe tartan]

https://tigerfire.ca/mediawiki/images/Coolermaster_830_chassis_manual.pdf

[meager elbow]

I could only imagine the SRM being the backplate

I looked it up and BTX was a failed motherboard standard by Intel

Meant to replace atx

[ripe tartan]

Lmao

I can’t find a replacement for the side panel fan section

[lofty burrow]

Hey

[sudden creek]

@vague apex @meager elbow found this and it seems you are right, it's only about a 3-5c difference in temps. This was with a 7900x3D and a mid-range 360mm AIO on a open bench.

[sudden creek]

.

Do you guys think the 8+2+2 VRMs on the Gigabyte B850M Force WiFi V2 is going to be an issue for my 9950x3D? I have seen it pull 300w in CineBench with a OC and slight overvolt.

[ripe tartan]

https://a.co/d/4Fp7AuP

is this a cheaper version

@meager elbow

[meager elbow]

Looks like jt

It

[ripe tartan]

Okay

Getting it now

[sudden creek]

Just sold the 10700F+B460M Tuf combo!

Selling the other motherboard later today than it's downsizing time 😄

[sudden creek]

Just bought the B850M Force V2 WiFi and some TF9 paste. @cursive epoch @wind karma @meager elbow

[steel galleon]

opinions on arctic mx7?

[vague apex]

I've used 4 and 6 a lot. 7 is supposed to be improved.

[wind karma]

Very serviceable paste. No real need to spend more unless you're chasing crazy OCs

[meager elbow]

The people that have tested it has shown that mx7 is one of the top pastes available

[shut thicket]

300w on normal Aio or some exotic cooling solutions

Because cooling that cpu at 300w is a bigger problem than the vrms

[sudden creek]

LT720 P/P config AIO that I have setup pulling fresh air.

[sudden creek]

Man I am not looking forward to returning all my stuff.... Well I enjoy the tune but not the time it takes.

[vague apex]

After my ram died I bought an a-die kit with no profiles on it and I've been too lazy to do anything with it so it's still 5600 jedec. One of the advantages of 4k gaming, don't have to care about cpu/memory performance because it's fully gpu limited all the time.

[sudden creek]

Fair. I play competitively at FHD so memory makes a huge difference to my lows.

[meager elbow]

i ran ddr4 jedec for a while and was also fine

probably would have been terrible if i had an igpu though

and i don't play comp games

[sudden creek]

Ddr4 at 2666 was miserable for me. I used it in a 5700G+3070 combo. The stutters in games that like ram were tremendous

It's the reason I upgraded to my 4000cl18 kit back then

[meager elbow]

I didn't really have stuttering in VRchat or beamng on jedec with 48gb total memory

I had a mixed kit which wouldn't run at 3600 and I was too lazy to find a stable frequency

So I just used it in jedec
I did have some issues but it wasn't ram related iirc

Oh right

My windows was corrupted slightly

Chkdsk and SFC didn't fix it but reinstalling fixed the issues

Basically I added 32gigs more to my system, ran it at jedec for a year, started getting some weird app hangs, thought it was the ram so I removed 16gb and raised the speed to 3600, that didn't fix it and then I reinstalled windows and that fixed it

Windows my behated

Worst os known to mankind

Some days I would rather use anything but windows

Oh yeah in between that I also had a GPU upgrade thinking it was my rx570 causing the issues

In between the time after I had gotten the 32gb extra ram and started getting the issues with apps hanging I mean

[sudden creek]

Ouch

@meager elbow honestly if MacOS wasn't so damn limiting regarding software compatibility and Apple didn't freaking block you from updating to a new os if your hardware is old for monetary reasons I'd daily MacOS.

[meager elbow]

For more context of it not fixing it, I was running it and it kept saying there was nothing wrong so I assumed windows was fine (wrong assumption to make)

[sudden creek]

Unfortunate.

[meager elbow]

But yeah it works fine now so im happy

But it was truly a pain

Troubleshooting is always a wild cat chase or whatever the phrase is

Wild goose chase

[sudden creek]

So the B850M Force WiFi V2 supposedly supports 12v@2A so does that mean it should be safe for me to run 6 Arctic P12 Pro fans on one header?

[meager elbow]

Yeah probably

Realistically 3 off a single header is usually more than enough though?

How many fan headers are on the board

[sudden creek]

So each fan is rated for 3.9w watts .

[meager elbow]

I looked at arctic's site and the fan max current draw is listed at 0.33a

[sudden creek]

4 total. Ideally I would like all 6 fans on my AIO to be binded to one fan control.

[sudden creek]

So 1.98 amps with all 6 daisy chained

[meager elbow]

Yeah

[sudden creek]

Is it safe to run the header near it's max amperage constantly? My fan curves are usually set very aggressive between 70-100%.

[meager elbow]

Also 6 fans? A push pull configuration on an AIO doesn't really have any benefit on modern PC fans....

[sudden creek]

I will brb in like 3-5m

[sudden creek]

Helped me keep my temps under control when my CPU was pulling 300w. Without the extra 3, I hit thermal limiters.

Just enough to make the difference.

[meager elbow]

Assuming arctic's spec of 0.33a is the starting current, it probably wouldn't exceed 2a, but if it isn't, and is running current, then you might not even be able to start the fans spinning without potentially tripping over current protection on the header

As for it running constantly at the max amperage, the listed spec should theoretically be the safe limit for a 100% duty cycle

[meager elbow]

I'm trying to find the spec of it supporting 2a but I don't seem to be able to find it? Where did you see it?

If you arent 100% sure, then you should either use 2 headers with 3 way splitters, or use a fan hub

Gonna go sleep now

[sudden creek]

I googled the amperage and this was the description from the gigabyte site for it.

[hollow thorn]

From the manual:

I'd say it's fine to do up to 6 per header assuming you're not planning on running them at 100% at all times, most of the time the fan is probably going to be at ~60% and therefore leave you with wiggle room, but still try to spread out the load between headers whenever possible

[noble talon]

https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/1nt1y4/ryzen-7-7800x3d/radeon-rx-9070-xt/

https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/1nt1wO/ryzen-7-7800x3d/geforce-rtx-5070-ti/

does it

[hollow thorn]

I would really recommend not trusting singular numbers for bottlenecks, if you're curious if you'll be CPU bound or GPU bound, you can check benchmarks for the specific task lol

[vague apex]

Gigabyte bios lets you pick which fan headers you're editing the profile for. There is a checkbox and you can edit all of them at once or just pick 2. Or just get a $10 hub with supplemental power.

[vague apex]

This site is 100% nonsense.

[noble talon]

i figured

[meager elbow]

?bottleneck

[silk jungle]

"TL;DR Bottleneck calculators take massive generalisations and will cause someone to almost completely miss the entire snapshot of the performance that they wanted to know in the first place.

Bottleneck calculators are a commonly searched tool on the internet to make a generalised comment on a pairing of hardware for things such as games, workstation software, rendering and the like.

Bottlenecks are regarded as a limit for a pc in a given task, and each different workload, each different game, each different task may and will push a pc to a limit in a certain way, and it's never the same way. Some games will push the cpu to a limit, most the GPU, some the ram, etc.

Bottleneck calculators try to generalise this and this is why you should never use them. It isn't a true outlook of the hardware you'd be working with and doesn't give you a real take on the performance, especially when you consider your own individual needs. Some bottlenecks are good for example, a lot are expected and normal, some are caused by the application itself and don't bring out the full pc performance either, the games or apps you use might be very specific and unique in their behaviour and have an entirely different realm of performance altogether."

[meager elbow]

Read the above blurb

[scenic solar]

wow I managed to get the only z490 board that doesn't support 11th gen even with a bios update... thanks Asus

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

The new board is here.

[sudden creek]

So if anyone was curious, the 9950x3D does come from the factory with a small amount of conformal already applied to the circuitry on the PCB.

[sudden creek]

Never seen that weird M.2 loop thing before

Can someone explain to me what I am supposed to do with this?!

@trail gorge @scenic solar @azure echo

[azure echo]

pull it out

then put in m.2

then stick it back in

[sudden creek]

So like pull the tab upwards?

[azure echo]

yes

[sudden creek]

How hard? I am pulling hard enough to pickup the board

Got it

Just needed a little more force

[sudden creek]

Am I supposed to trim the tab after or?

[sudden creek]

Oh ok

Thank you.

Also I despise this pull tab method

[azure echo]

its meh

[meager elbow]

Pull tab means you won't lose the rice grain sized screw

[azure echo]

yup

true

[meager elbow]

Everything has its pros and cons tbh

[sudden creek]

Besides cost what could be the pro of this?

[meager elbow]

I don't hate the pull tab because you won't lose a screw that could short something out, and it makes it toolless to upgrade

[noble talon]

building a pc early is the worse mistake i did

[sudden creek]

Fair. On a related topic to this board, I found the online manual. Each 4 pin fan header is rated for 12v@2A

[meager elbow]

Yeah I saw the ping

[scenic solar]

they probably learned from Intel mistakes

[trail gorge]

I think it is because they are directly exposed

[sudden creek]

@trail gorge @azure echo @scenic solar @meager elbow @cursive epoch the pc posts!

I am typing from it right now

[azure echo]

nice

[sudden creek]

Damn the memory training is so much faster!

15-20s (MCR OFF) vs 1m-10s (MCR OFF) to get into windows.

[sudden creek]

It seems Gigabyte they fixed the VRMs overheating issue that BZ found on the B850M Force V1 in the V2.

Pulling 200w on my 9950x3D for about 10m straight and 4 hours at 160w in Hell Divers II my VRMs never exceeded 55c. My ambient temperature was 20c (air conditioner)

In BZ's video the vrms reached about 70c pulling 200w within a couple minutes.

[scenic solar]

such a weird adapter

[sudden creek]

Lmao. Is this your setup? I am curious how well it's working.

[scenic solar]

it's the test bench motherboard on a box, I got the adapter from aliexpress just for fun

it works, but it's nothing special

it's a 2666c19 4gb stick

[sudden creek]

fair enough

[novel latch]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but does the 7800x3d bottleneck a 5080 at all?

[shut thicket]

Nah

Even if it limits it in some extreme cpu bound games like Outer worlds 2 then the fps still would be over 60

[novel latch]

thanks.

[sudden creek]

5.814Ghz baby! Eat that 5850x3D.

[scenic solar]

has anyone here had gskill aegis ddr4 ram fail / start giving errors at xmp speeds after some time?

[scenic solar]

have you also ran prime95 small ffts?

it can often expose even the slightest instability on your oc

[sudden creek]

Ran Karhu, OCCT, Adrenaline, and more. Unfortunately bCLK kept causing the PCIe to act out so I currently have it reduced to 5.750ghz.

[steel galleon]

thermalright cpu holder am5 V1 or V2 for 9850x3d?

[steel galleon]

what percentage of cpu usage would be considered idle?

less than 15%?

i have wall paper engine, edge and fan control active

[meager elbow]

Idle typically means no foreground apps open

[lyric barn]

@obtuse moss

I was asking about what space storage I should get

[meager elbow]

ok yeah it's the z490 aorus pro ax

[obtuse moss]

This means you need an SSD without a headsink

looking for u

https://www.newegg.com/crucial-2tb-p310-nvme/p/N82E16820156413

[lyric barn]

Can u recommend something?

[obtuse moss]

yes

i was looking for u

u were looking for 2TB. This is 2TB. I can't promise it's the best price, but this is everything you're asking for

[meager elbow]

its interesting that they have a 3rd physical m.2 connector soldered in but it's completely nonfunctional apparently

[obtuse moss]

i was looking for the third one but they didn't show it so good on u for noticing

wait

this only promises 2 M.2 slots

i see

[lyric barn]

And can u also recommend 2 extra ram?

[meager elbow]

so just make sure to not put anything on the very top (no heatsink) slot

[obtuse moss]

go to your order history and buy only the EXACT RAM YOU PREVIOUSLY BOUGHT

anything else is a no no

[meager elbow]

that's not always foolproof tbh

[obtuse moss]

even then ^ it's not foolproof

[lyric barn]

Will putting in 2 extra ram hurt the pc?

[meager elbow]

ram manufactures may have changed chips even on the same exact model number sometimes if you're unlucky

no, it won't hurt the pc as in damage, however it may not be stable at the rated speeds

[obtuse moss]

i would take out your previous RAM and put this in.
https://www.newegg.com/crucial-pro-64gb-ddr4-3200-cas-latency-cl22-desktop-memory-black/p/N82E16820156327

Once again, this is what you're asking for. But I can't promise the best price

if you have 32GB ram, I'd stick w/ that

[meager elbow]

it's worth noting that ram prices are sky high across the board currently

AI datacenters basically ate up the entire market

[lyric barn]

It's better than add 2 more ram?

[obtuse moss]

I would not put in 2 more ram almost ever

I would take out ALL ram and put in only fresh ones

[meager elbow]

it'll guarantee that you wouldnt run into issues at least

[lyric barn]

Noted

[obtuse moss]

hope we've been helpful so far

I gtg finish my report for now

[lyric barn]

❤️

[obsidian fossil]

Is there a good rule of thumb for pbo allowances on a 7800x3d?

[cursive epoch]

Not really no

It's a dynamic boost/oc function, cpu damage is very unlikely

It scales accordingly to the offset you've set

If it's unstable, then it'll just crash and you can go into the bios to tune PBO CO offset

Generally people start with +30 or -30 depending on their goal

A positive offset is an oc, while a positive offset can act like an oc too but it mostly focuses on efficiency all while maintaining peak performance

[sudden creek]

PBO does not harm the CPU because it's a boost algorithm, the CPU is not being told to run at max speed 24/7.

Also, with PBO the increased voltage you can set is very low so it honestly won't have a big impact on lifespan.

[obsidian fossil]

Gotchyah. I was considering messing with it because under 75-80% load it chugs along at like 55c

Why not cook eggs on it for three extra frames

[dire dirge]

Anyone have a lot of intel/LGA1200 experience? I’m currently testing a i7-10700K with an MSI MPG Z590 Gaming Edge WiFi (latest BIOS) and having trouble with memory overclocking/XMP. The system works fine at 2133MHz but fails to boot or becomes unstable at any speed above that. This happens with two separate 2x8GB kits and a 2x16GB kit (different brands). I’ve tried setting DRAM voltage to auto, 1.2V and 1.35V, but still no luck. These kits work on AM4 without issue. Are there any Intel-specific settings or 10th-gen optimizations I should try, or something particular with Z590 boards causing this?

[meager elbow]

Don't have specific experience with that but it sounds like it might be a cpu issue (memory controller might be going bad or something)

If you have another cpu you can test the board with, that would be ideal

[dire dirge]

Super fair guess. Sadly I don’t have another CPU to test it with but I’ll see if I can get my hands on one. That was my best guess as well but just weird it was fine at 2133

[meager elbow]

yeah def a bit weird but i'm not aware of any issues from 10th gen using xmp
i assume you've also tried a cmos reset for default settings which typically should work out of the box

[ripe tartan]

Sounds like when I tried to tune my 8500g past 4800mhz.

The cpu simple cannot handle it.

[hollow thorn]

main thing to mess with would be vccsa and vccio, smth like 1.2v and 1.15v to start with

[surreal belfry]

Cheap ram options?

[vague apex]

Have you got one of these?

[vale basalt]

With CL36 Ram should I switch to Intel or stay on amd

[ripe tartan]

You can do either

It’s not much of a difference at all

[surreal belfry]

Patriot????

[vague apex]

Are you just needing ram or are you getting a whole new pc/platform? There are occasionally some decent bundle deals.

[surreal belfry]

Check dm

[vale basalt]

Any techies available ? Preferably someone good with testing ram?

[hollow thorn]

when in doubt, use tm5

[steel galleon]

they should launch a 9600x3d microcenter exclusive

[vale basalt]

Can I send you a pm?

[hollow thorn]

why..?

[vale basalt]

I was gonna ask you something tm5

And it’s not all memory related so I was just gonna ask a overall problem question to see if you could answer it

[hollow thorn]

What's the question?

[vale basalt]

So I was having random reboots for ages now and it started like just freezing up and having audio repeating and I’ve asked on forums and they said that it was so many different things, I replaced cpu motherboard and even the psu and still having the issue.

I tested the memory on memtest86 overnight and passed, I also ran the windows one and no issues and I just ran the extreme version of testmem5 and 2 full passes so a hour long and also no issues.

Could it be the graphics card? Like a driver hanging issue.

[hollow thorn]

It's possible that it's something to do with the GPU drivers, if you suspect it, use DDU and cleanly install the last known working driver version

[vale basalt]

That’s the thing even with the previous gpu I still had these issues but when I installed this one I had black screens but this time it would recover the game would crash and sometimes it would lock up and when loading up the pc this showed up but then vanished

[hollow thorn]

What was the previous GPU and what is the current GPU

[vale basalt]

So like what are the odds another gpu I buy has similar issues?

6950xt was my previous card that I sold and this one was just a test gpu till I figured out what my issue was I also ran DDU after I sold my gpu

This one is a rx 480

[hollow thorn]

It isn't necessarily a GPU issue, it's just a possibility that it's GPU or driver related

It can be something else like CPU instability or maybe something wrong with the motherboard traces

Best to test one thing at a time still, it can also just be a windows issue with windows corruption, or some issue with your primary drive

[vale basalt]

I’ve replaced almost everything except the gpu with a new one

The main drive ssd with windows on it wasn’t originally inside my pc cause I changed it with another one

And still did it

And there’s been many different amd updates since I started trying to diagnose this

That’s why I’m so confused on what to do

Again why it makes me wonder if it’s another bad gpu and the guy wasn’t legit with me

[hollow thorn]

It could be, but if you exhaust other options, it's time to look at what's still the common factor, rarely bad USB devices like keyboards mice headphones etc can cause an issue like that, sometimes it just has to do with bad wiring on your wall outlet that leads to something like ripple on the 12v rail that then leads to weird issues on the GPU

[vale basalt]

Yeah Im gonna end up buying a new gpu soon anyway and if it happens again im gonna switch rooms

try a different outlet for a few days

cuz the issue is inconsistent

Then if it still happens I’m selling my pc and going console 😂

[stiff crater]

Well, Like Earthing (Ground) Wiring Not Present May Cause That, As For Me A Few Weeks Ago, When I Bought A Secondary Monitor To Use With My Laptop, The Monitor Worked Well When The Laptop Was Not Plugged in to charging, as soon as i plugged in, the monitor started flickering, after too much using my 100% of brain, i figured out that it was the electrical disturbance causing this issue due to lack of Earthing.

[fair sleet]

Hey guys, I tried to update my MSI B650-M bios through the MSI center and now my pc doesn't have any display, I see a green light on the boot section of the EZ-DEBUG. Could anyone help?

[hollow thorn]

Iirc all the MSI b650 boards have flashback if the bios update was interrupted, there will be more information in your motherboard manual, but the general procedure is grab the bios file, rename it to MSI.rom, make sure the USB drive is formatted to fat32, plug it into the designated USB slot, and press the flashback button on the back

[fair sleet]

i restarted the cmos and downloaded bios off of a usb drive, prolly never using that app again

[hollow thorn]

using software to update bios is always sketchy, no matter the app

[sudden creek]

Updating BIOS should always be done using either a Bios Flash feature or through the actual BIOS.

[vale basalt]

pretty good deal on right now

[strange sedge]

800…

What currency is that 😭

[meager elbow]

Canada

Wait a minute
"Intel"
Ryzen 9600x

The amd ryzen 9600x has got to be my favorite Intel processor

[vale basalt]

its a intel deal LMAO

[obtuse moss]

was this today??

[vale basalt]

yes

[obtuse moss]

checks

[vale basalt]

saw it to check gpu deals but none there for me

[obtuse moss]

where did u find it

[vale basalt]

main menu

[obtuse moss]

i don't see it anymore

[vale basalt]

when u search the site

[obtuse moss]

think it's fixed?

[vale basalt]

canadian site?

[obtuse moss]

found it

[obtuse moss]

dude has been informed

[vale basalt]

lmao

I swear best buy sucks

I wish klarna did payment plans on newegg

[vale basalt]

Was it fixed

[obtuse moss]

yes

[vale basalt]

nice whereis my reward

[obtuse moss]

i gotchu

[vale basalt]

LOL

[obtuse moss]

nice new role

[vale basalt]

LOL

better then nothing I GUESS

[obtuse moss]

we here at Newegg appreciate community feedback

thank you for your continued support

XD

[vale basalt]

tell them to put 5070 on sale now so I can buy one

[vale basalt]

question @obtuse moss sorry for the ping

is the refurbished listings from newegg official or just marketplace

I need to buy a used card cuz new is too much rn and I dont wanna wait 2 weeks to get a new gpu LOL so usedis my only option

[ripe tartan]

There’s a few from Newegg themselves.
Check what it’s being sold/shipped from.
Sold and shipped by Newegg is your best bet.

@vale basalt

[vale basalt]

is there is a way to filter it

my only two options is newegg and ebay and I would obviously trust offical from newegg over ebay

[vale basalt]

kk thanks

903 for a used one thats including taxes and shipping

I should be chatting in gpu chat my bad

[obtuse moss]

glad Roomba helped you, dw about pinging me. I'm ok w/ it

[lament jewel]

I’m under volting for the first time and I’m noticing a significant increase in my ghz. Is that.. normal? Now only are the temps slightly lower but it’s.. better? Average 4.98ghz before and not it’s 5.3

This all started because 7600x was running extremely hot for some reason even with PbO off

It’s -20 right now, I did a ten minute AIDA test and now to try some games

[strange sedge]

yeah the RYZEN cpus love undervolting

[wind karma]

Tbh not sure why they don't have a factory undervolt. Seems like pretty much every modern Ryzen can do -20mv all core

[hollow thorn]

most likely can't guarantee it across the entire operating temperature range for all chips

[wind karma]

Mm good point

[jade zephyr]

So ideally i ran this setup. would i run into bottlenecking with my CPU? if i should get a new one whatre some ideas? i have a lowkey low budget of like 250 USD https://pcpartpicker.com/list/64XZLy

help a brotha out

[wind karma]

I'd say that's a fairly even pairing, I wouldn't expect any major bottlenecking

Well, maybe a little at 1080p

[jade zephyr]

i know i need to upgrade my cpu sometime anyway

[wind karma]

Why?

[jade zephyr]

heard its just not really great

[wind karma]

12400 is fine

Now's not an ideal time to upgrade since ddr5 ram is crazy expensive

[jade zephyr]

should i be worried then?

[wind karma]

You could get a 12600 or 12700 but I'm pretty sure the gaming gains are minimal

[jade zephyr]

alright

[sudden creek]

People will need much better coolers. The less voltage the 7000 and 9000 series CPUs receive, the more sensitive become to high temps causing them to very quickly become unstable if the undervolt is to extreme.

I haven't been able to test 8000 series so I can't speak for that gen.

[wind karma]

interesting

[sudden creek]

The other reason is profit for why if I had to guess is that unfortunately it doesn't benefit AMD to sell us a CPU that uses even less voltage if the end result is about the same performance as they'd have less product passing QC.

[strange sedge]

It’s not a real generation anyways so it’s fine

[sudden creek]

Fair though I'd love to see 10,000mhz ram go vroom.

[strange sedge]

Solder a 9995wc mc on a 9950x3d

Simple

[sudden creek]

Hmmm, honestly if I had the available budget and access to the info on where to solder, I would.

[steel galleon]

what was causing asrock to fry up boards

was it the oc?

[obtuse moss]

the Gamers Nexus videos in the early days was not able to fully replicate the issue consistently, so I actually don't 100% know

very interesting

[sudden creek]

Usually a combination of:

• Bad cooling
• poor pin contact
• BIOS defaulting to rather high voltages which would've been fine if the above weren't happening.

[steel galleon]

when someone mentions oc on amd cpus does that usually indicate that they also undervolt it too?

[sudden creek]

With AM5 it's usually a combination of a Boost override and undervolt. While a overvolt does make it easier to achieve higher clock speeds it adds way more heat, so people usually achieve the better clock speed by undervolting to gain the thermal headroom needed.

[steel galleon]

so on a 9600x i can oc and undervolt it on a b850m riptide just fine?

[vague apex]

Yeah. Unlike intel, amd has cpu overclocking unlocked on their B series boards.

[sudden creek]

Yes.

[cursive epoch]

OCing and undervolting with PBO CO is also dead easy

You just apply a negative offset

[raw sinew]

it was PBO

and the asrock bios settings

and it was only x3d cpus

everything else was standard failure rates

[sudden creek]

Happened to regular ones as well.

[steel galleon]

wait so amd cpus are given more watts than they need?

[shut thicket]

Still not clearly known

It is one of those issues where the overwhelming majority are fine

They have a model that is in the top 10 sellers list so if that thing was failing left,right and centre we would be seeing more of a fuss about it

[sudden creek]

Not watts. Think of a power connector with a pin making poor contact. To much voltage for a small surface area causes burns and frying chips.

[cursive epoch]

If a cpu was given too many watts than it needs, it would simply run very hot without damage for most cases

Too much voltage on the other hand is very damaging

It breaks the silicon inside the cpu, causing permanent and irreparable damage

If not, then it would burn a hole into the cpu and the socket it sits on top of

[wind karma]

Good example of why gpu and cpu utilization percentages should not be used for identifying bottlenecks (hard to read but gpu is at 130fps while cpu is only at 122, and drops if there's more going on)

[steel galleon]

i meant for undervolting

[sudden creek]

Undervolting is unrelated to the issue reported regarding AM5 cpus frying. Also doing so will only delay the issue caused by improper installation rather than solving it.

[left fiber]

I need a new Dell Inspiron 7706 2in1 Motherboard i7-1165G7 2.8GHz Nvidia MX350 DDR4 P47D9. I wanted to upgrade it but I don't think that is possible. What is the best price.

[scenic solar]

not in this economy. I'm bringing out the soldering iron

good enough

[meager elbow]

you are lucky that the solder pads didn't rip clean off it seems

im not confident that it is still working as intended though

[scenic solar]

luckily they broke on the side of the smd cap, some extra solder managed to make contact

[scenic solar]

running fine till now @3200mts

[meager elbow]

thats good then

[scenic solar]

3733 doesn't post with the 10600k, 3600 crashes. but that's related to the cpu/mb combo since the good stick also doesn't work at those freq

[lyric barn]

Hi my i just got my 2t memory do I need to install anything after I pug it Into my pc?

[obtuse moss]

ur just ADDING that ssd right?

1. install the SSD physically
2. format your SSD
3. good to go

[lyric barn]

How do I fomat?

[obtuse moss]

sadly that picture doesn't answer my question.

are you building ur pc from the ground up or adding the SSD to a pc

[lyric barn]

Add the ssd

[obtuse moss]

kk

install the SSD physically
format your SSD
good to go

those are ur steps

one sec

[obtuse moss]

this is Kingston's official SSD formatting page

https://www.kingston.com/en/blog/personal-storage/how-to-format-ssd

I think I used FAT32 as a formatting style

"If you’ve recently purchased an SSD, you will probably need to format the drive so that it can be used with your operating system. When installing an operating system, there will be an option to select your new drive and format."

[lyric barn]

Ok thank you

[obtuse moss]

that's how to prep for formatting, this also goes over how to format it

i'd recommend watching a few YT videos as well

i don't remember the step by step tutorials anymore. researching how to do it took me like 45 min. doing the steps took like less than 5

but it's very important you format the RIGHT ssd, and not the one already installed

[lyric barn]

Noted

[obtuse moss]

<@&525119001324683264> can someone give him the step by step tutorial?

[strange sedge]

I feel like the easiest thing is to go to YouTube

It’s not a complicated process
1 install the ssd in the topmost open slot
2 boot up windows and open disk manager
3 look for the unformatted drive and format it

[lyric barn]

Ok thank

[stray stratus]

Not all drives need to format but you need to format for NTFS.

When you install it, open " Drive management ". If the PC recognizes it, itll pop up as unallocated/unformated.

Right click and format to NTFS, name drive and how much and let it process. Once done, itll be ready to use

If it's not recognized you can format using CMD or powershell.

It's like 2-3 inputs of code but itll format

[lyric barn]

What are those 2?

[stray stratus]

Windows built applications

[lyric barn]

For some reason it's not showing up on my disk

[stray stratus]

Open search bar in windows and type in the name

They pop up

[lyric barn]

No matter how many time I plug and unplug it

[stray stratus]

Run both as Admin

[lyric barn]

Ok

I will try

[stray stratus]

https://youtu.be/wW5lEdwnweo?si=oOEHz0ECpLvxU4TO

I did not verify this video. I'm at work. If anyone sees issues with it let me know

@obtuse moss at some point we should make verified videos to help with tech issues like these. Add bot commands to dyno to post when People need instructions.

Maybe Newegg can officially make them and post on channel for tech help 🙂

[obtuse moss]

we should unify it w/ what tech support does at Newegg as well.

[vague apex]

Skip to 6:30 for the one I'd do. Disk management, no partitions.

[stray stratus]

Mmm a basic FAQ section for diagnostics? I like that idea.

[noble talon]

hey guys

i need help

with booting up windows 11

i’ve already tried but it js says

[sudden creek]

Try enabling Secure Boot in the bios

Name varies by board but set the mode to Windows not Legacy

[obtuse moss]

this is the way

[pliant siren]

is it possible to clear ram cache and does it actually give a bit of cleaner preformance?

[hollow thorn]

Yes, it's possible to use something like rammap to clear non-working sets, performance only improves if you were running out of memory, but it's not magical, if you re-open or start using whatever app was in the background, it will start using that amount of memory again

[vale basalt]

Best site to buy ram?

Seems like my ram is the issue on my pc occasionally hard locking and sometimes resetting randomly

[vale basalt]

<@&525119001324683264>

[severe imp]

Nostalgic for old tech? Its a good read and neat to see the old chips history being preserved.

https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/s/zuSjVQ93qt

[strange sedge]

Try to RMA it

[vale basalt]

its passed time

[vague apex]

What cheapo brand of ram is it with a time limit on the warranty?

[vale basalt]

The wait now starts lmao

Ordered a new kit anyway

[vale basalt]

Corsair

[vague apex]

They told you it was out of warranty? Corsair should have lifetime warranty on their ram.

[vocal hemlock]

Is the binned M5 pro 15-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine good chip on the 14inch MacBook Pro?

[wind karma]

Yeah, the apple silicon (M series) chips are all great

[vale basalt]

yeah they said the issue is on my end lol

and said its not the ram lol

[strange sedge]

if youre fine with dealing with a macbook its a great chip

[raw sinew]

v color my beloved

[sleek leaf]

wanted yalls opinion on something

I gotta upgrade my ram, 16gb of ddr4 isnt cutting it anymore

would it be worth upgrading to an am5 motherboard and cpu just for ddr5 or should i just throw another 16gb of ddr4 on the board?

for reference my cpu is a pos and needs to be upgraded anyways, so regardless the cpu is gonna be replaced

[obtuse moss]

good question. what AM5 pc would you build? What are your current specs on the PC?

[obtuse moss]

how do you know your RAM is the bottleneck?

If I had money, upgrading a few generations up is going to give you that AMAZING feeling. But that depends IF you have the money.

If you don't, then DDR4 RAM 32 GB will work fine for most gamer's needs

[sleek leaf]

a bunch of different apps keep throwing codes for insufficent memory

and as we speak i only have discord and a browser open and im at like 60% usage

[obtuse moss]

that leaves room for7 GB of ram right

[sleek leaf]

cpu- r5 1600
gpu-6600xt
16gb ddr4 3200ghz

recently upgraded the gpu so thats why the specs r so wonky lmao

[obtuse moss]

nw nw

ur cpu thought

though*

[sleek leaf]

about so

[obtuse moss]

1600

maybe upgrade the cpu

[sleek leaf]

yeah that thing needs to be put down yesterday

[obtuse moss]

i would keep 16gb, and upgrade the cpu

[sleek leaf]

was planning on doing both

[obtuse moss]

is ur pc slowing down?

[sleek leaf]

definitely

[obtuse moss]

u said ur usage is at 60% for RAM, are there any other symptoms?

[sleek leaf]

certain apps will crash every once and a while '

word of all things died on me yesterday 😭

[obtuse moss]

if u still have 7GB of RAM, i'd just ONLY upgrade the CPU and see how it feels

that's me being price conscious

keeping most of what you have

maybe wipe your ssd too and just redownload only what u need as well

clean boot

[sleek leaf]

maybe yeah

[obtuse moss]

let me know how it goes!

[sleek leaf]

fs

would probably go with a 5800X3D for the upgrade

tho im still looking around

[obtuse moss]

shameless plug, get it at your FAVORITE RETAILER NEWEGG.COMMMMM

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=ryzen+7+5800x3d&srsltid=AfmBOoqvGrwiZ8OjDrx2N5Rac-h4LA_uRYjumrO2JykW-K6uEttDdF_i

lol

[sleek leaf]

yo why does that say 500 😭

[raw sinew]

that should not be happening

[raw sinew]

no stock

@sleek leaf i got 3 questions for you

1 when was the last time you reinstalled windows

2 what is your overall budget

3 do you use an SSD or HDD

[sleek leaf]

nvme for my system

[sleek leaf]

maybe 2 years ago?

i'd like to keep it under 500 if i can help it

[raw sinew]

try running the corrupted file command fix

[sleek leaf]

most likely gonna stay on am4 right now tho

[raw sinew]

see if that fixes it

[raw sinew]

5800xt

200 dollars

youll need a better cooler

so add 50

[sleek leaf]

through powershell?

[raw sinew]

command box

the windows fix thing i dont know the name of off the top of my head

DISM and sfc /scannow

[sleek leaf]

i'll look into it rn

[raw sinew]

wait

also what is your current ram

like exact model

[sleek leaf]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mCHRsY/patriot-viper-steel-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-pvs416g320c6k

this was the exact set I bought

[raw sinew]

it is about 130 dollars

buy the exact same pair again

200+130+50 = 380x1.0798= $410.33

@sleek leaf is this an acceptable amount or do you want something cheaper

[sleek leaf]

ran the scan and it said it repaired some files but honestly i see no difference in performance

[raw sinew]

windows 11?

[sleek leaf]

thats pretty solid ngl, ty. Tho y did u go for a 5800xt over, say, a 5700x3d or 5800x3d? Just price?

[raw sinew]

price

[sleek leaf]

yeah. Probably shouldve led with that lmao

[raw sinew]

5700x3d is 300

[sleek leaf]

explains most of it

[raw sinew]

probably

[raw sinew]

people overrate the x3d cache

[sleek leaf]

thats IF i can find it

[raw sinew]

its on amazon

also their website

[raw sinew]

its only really noticeable if you have shit ram or certain games

i still reccomend x3d cpus ofc

but dont sleep on the 9600x

[sleek leaf]

yeah just found it lol, couldve sworn i couldnt find it a few months ago

[raw sinew]

check other sites

see it its cheaper

@sleek leaf strange question

are you mexican or the other countries south of it

it actually matters

the 5500x3d is a budget king

[sleek leaf]

nah in america

[raw sinew]

but is only sold down there

[raw sinew]

ah rip

[sleek leaf]

if i can find it i might grab it

tho if it isnt sold domestically its probably gonna be a pain to get

[sleek leaf]

is it not am5?

[raw sinew]

its am5, im just saying its a great cpu

[raw sinew]

its 225 to get here

youre paying more than the 5800xt for about the same fps and less cores that are slower

in mexico its 150

in uruguay its about 120

and the cheapest i saw it was in argentina for 100

[sleek leaf]

oh yeah, it is

was considering it if i decided to make the leap to am5

opinions on used cpus?

[vague apex]

If you were going to spend the money on a used 5700x3d/5800x3d I'd just go am5 instead, pricing on those is insane. 5800xt or finding a used 5600/5600x is what I'd do.

[sleek leaf]

yo on second thought nvm

i just looked at used prices and im good

350 is outragous

[vague apex]

I'd also hold off on the ram and do it after the cpu if you still felt you need it.

The x3d ones spiked a lot after they went out of production. A new 5700x3d was $200 while it lasted.

[sleek leaf]

shame

[raw sinew]

do not

your gpu is not strong enough for you to feel it really

the 6000 series doesnt even get gaming drivers anymore right

yeah

before you make the jump

upgrade your gpu first

[raw sinew]

and am5 is much more expensive

CPU Motherboard Memory Combo - AMD Ryzen 5 9600X Bundle with ASRock B850M Riptide WiFi and G.SKILL F5-6000J3636F16GX1-RM5NRK https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4855517&Source=socialshare&utm_campaign=snc-typereplacer-_-sr-_-combo.4855517-_-datereplacer

only 16gb

over 500 after tax

(you can use single channel with ddr5 its fast enough, but you cant really use more than two sticks)

[vague apex]

They announced dropping 5000 and 6000 to maintenance mode then pretty much immediately walked it back.

[raw sinew]

ah i see

regardless, still on the weaker end of gpus and about to be cut off

[vague apex]

Probably in a couple years but they kept going with polaris drivers for quite a while after the real announcement for that support ending.

[raw sinew]

hopefully, but if that handheld gpu thats 2 years old getting axed is anything to go by

not looking good

[vague apex]

Amd doesn't publish the z1 drivers. You'd have to complain at lenovo for not wanting to keep up with it, or not wanting to pay amd to do it. Or complain at amd for making it if they aren't going to support it.

[raw sinew]

lenovo is keeping up with it

they made a statement

[vague apex]

Sounds like problem solved then.

[raw sinew]

amd is literally not giving them anything

considering there are no game drivers

no its not

asus also not getting them last time i checked

[vague apex]

I don't pay much attention to handhelds but I do remember when that story was breaking a while ago that people were talking about the rog one having newer drivers than lenovo's.

[sleek leaf]

Yeah thats one of the reasons i didnt make the jump

That and the fact I'd have to sell my liver to get some decent ddr5

[raw sinew]

@sleek leaf searched newegg, microcenter, walmart, bestbuy, and amazon

this is the best deal i could find you

https://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Viper-3200MHz-Performance-Memory/dp/B07KXMWHBY?th=1

steel viper doesnt sell directly

[sleek leaf]

found this just now

https://www.ebay.com/itm/127716932782?_skw=ddr4+viper+ram&itmmeta=01KKJBNMGET8ZKQKRQGDFVPHED&hash=item1dbc85bcae%3Ag%3AJRwAAeSw~ZZpp2hk&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA8GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xD9%2FMfXswbVKX9YGdbZILEDqFy2FykWY828L%2FT4u52ktS6Y5JoZKX93I7sOdajuFj6%2F1AgQVDXS7%2FLnede707DKoPwezEPeymEEaFG2gIsD4QvWnP9ux1NyHydpgd4RaS%2FpZ7W7NRnwSftmyS7PTwEBAUeTXV41tWlcNR1dPGZBnA5P3efsoe95N5kxnDV1fHD3I4VQDznZa5U1xJtShTNKQuCwqjNDXwribsQKyf%2BdbZitthhmIsDmAQnuicWEz3op2d9Bvn14xRcDc1pVI4yK94JQ0kpXs%2BlV0cTulW8aGQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7LI1sucZw&LH_BIN=1&LH_ItemCondition=3

lowkey looks good

[raw sinew]

if its actually new, sure

[vale basalt]

So yeah I think my previous ram was something wrong with it or something

Cuz since switching to my new ram im no longer having stutters in every game

[cloud otter]

does anyone know any stick of a single G.Skill Trident silver Ram of 32GB 6000MT & CL30 I can buy and where from?

I also heard Ram speed like 6000MT doesn't matter when you have a ryzen X3D cpu, thats true?

[hollow thorn]

Are you talking about Trident Z5 Royal...? Why single stick? Ram frequency still matters with x3d, even though x3d can somewhat mitigate having slower ram, you still lose performance with slower ram

[cloud otter]

oo alr, yeah the royal ram

single bc don't have enough atm to buy two and I want to game early as possible

ram n CPU r my last two pieces now

[hollow thorn]

What exactly is your budget rn?

[cloud otter]

I alr bought most of my pieces; i dont care abt the price of one 32GB stick of Trident Z5

as long as I get to buy one early, I'll save up again to buy another stick when I can

[hollow thorn]

uh 2x16 is generally going to be cheaper than 1x32 rn

[cloud otter]

thing is, I want one 32gb ram for upgradability

so I can get another to double it

instead of getting another pair of 2x16

4 ram slots = less performance in games

imma need lots of ram for this game too

hella mods

[hollow thorn]

what game needs 64gb of ram...?

Also populating all 4 ram slots isn't going to degrade performance by a noticeable amount, unless you're trying to do some ocing

[cloud otter]

my 300 modded vr minecraft world

[hollow thorn]

Unless you have some crazy stuff, something like ATM9 still only needs 8gb lol

[cloud otter]

not all the mods, lmao

[cloud otter]

you found one stick?

[hollow thorn]

random single stick 32gb 6000c30 if you really want to go for that
https://www.newegg.com/p/0RN-002U-004U5

[cloud otter]

sadly, only trident royal

[hollow thorn]

Why's that?

[vague apex]

Amd put out an agesa update around the end of the summer that made 4x sticks a lot more likely to work without having to drop down to something stupid like 3600 or 4000, even just regular xmp at 6000 seemed pretty likely to work. I haven't seen anyone else covering this since Wendel did a video on it, he tried a bunch of boards and had the best luck with msi and asus, was using 4x64 too so all dual rank sticks. 4x16 should be even more likely to work.

[hollow thorn]

iirc that problem was only with 4x32 and 4x64 to begin with

[vague apex]

I don't think so. Amd definitely didn't make an exception for 4x single rank.

[cloud otter]

they look amazing

[sleek leaf]

Im ngl if u need 64gb of ram i dont think the issue is the ram

[hollow thorn]

random board specs, these are current specs but I remember 2dpc 1r being much more reasonable

[sleek leaf]

U might need to just optimize the pack

[cloud otter]

come on, pls dont change my mind, I need the ram

[vague apex]

If you want to pay for them and like looking at them go for it. I've only seen patriot and microcenter selling 1x for ddr5.
I always thought royals were kind of tacky myself. The palit gamerock gpus too.

[hollow thorn]

It would approximately double the amount you need to spend only for aesthetics for something that takes up maybe 5% of the visible space within your PC

personally I don't like royals on ddr5 lol, the old rose gold royals looked so much better

[cloud otter]

I love the trident royals, I would notice them 100%

[hollow thorn]

for reference this is what you'd be paying for
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16820374568

it's almost the price of a 9070 for 2x16gb xd

[hollow thorn]

tbh I think the diamond-y look can be very classy, but once you add rgb, it becomes tacky

because it starts looking like cheapo transparent plastic, which it usually is

[sleek leaf]

cant stop u

besides no harm in having more

u could try ebay or facebook marketplace btw

[hollow thorn]

harm to your wallet

[sleek leaf]

ive seen a lot of dudes selling their 2nd sticks to recoupe the losses of buying 2

usually around 100-200 tho

[hollow thorn]

always a chance you can score something from local market or maybe some open box/refurb but that's more luck dependent

[vague apex]

I am kind of a sucker for the champagne/gold color stuff so some of the older ones weren't as bad. I don't want rgb on anything though and use a d15 so I'd never see them anyway. I have a nice low profile team kit.

[hollow thorn]

This looks classy

[sleek leaf]

it only costs your soul

[hollow thorn]

this looks tacky

[hollow thorn]

I actually have a kit of trident z neos under my d15 in my old rig lol

[cloud otter]

ur looking at the wrong one foeski

I love this one

[vague apex]

If this thing had come with a psu shroud I would have bought one.

[hollow thorn]

Royal neo is a different line from royal lol

both are on ddr5

[cloud otter]

royal neo looks better

[hollow thorn]

gonna cost you even more but yea

[cloud otter]

that in fact is true, that looks fuglyy

[vague apex]

They just remove the cutouts right? Or am I missing something because they look pretty same to me.

[cloud otter]

rlly, having 4 sticks causes no performance losses on games?

[cloud otter]

mhm

unless I'm missing to what meets the eye here

[sleek leaf]

buy enough ram and it wont even matter anymore

[hollow thorn]

just having 4 sticks doesn't, at high capacities you may be forced to run all 4 sticks at a lower frequency due to the strain on the IMC, but not really applicable for 4x16, and with current bios updates, should not be an issue to run 6000 on 4x16

[sleek leaf]

shove 20 sticks in there

[cloud otter]

bet

[vague apex]

I don't know about am5, on am4 4 sticks was significantly beneficial compared to 2 when the frequency and timings were the same.

[hollow thorn]

I dunno, we never got a follow up on 4x8 vs 2x16 performance differences from GN lol

[cloud otter]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8RnFdq

my current build atm if it helps determining a more accurate answer to "will using 4x16GB decrease my performance or not"

[hollow thorn]

I hate the "enhances PC case aesthetics" lmfao

[cloud otter]

[hollow thorn]

Anyways I'd probably grab some thermalright fans of whatever look you want, it'll likely end up a lot cheaper

And for the AIO too, that'll likely save you $400 for the same looks

Something like this for example
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DK4GSYSB

Thermalright has a pretty big range of products to get the specific thing you want

[cloud otter]

lol, I alr have them all

so happi

[hollow thorn]

Idk looks like an easy way to save money off something else to have enough budget to fit in 2x32 royals lol

[cloud otter]

Seller showed me this for ram, but it says G.Skill "Intel" aren't I supposed to get one that says Amd after it?

Confused bc I came across some that say AMD EXPO and another that has the Intel logo in amazon

[hollow thorn]

Pretty sure that's G.Skill Intl for G.Skill international lol

[cloud otter]

International any bad or was that a guess?

🫃

[hollow thorn]

that's just a shortening of the company name, G.skill International Enterprise, it doesn't mean anything

It's like Apple Inc instead of Apple Incorporated

[cloud otter]

Ogh I see

[sleek leaf]

Upgraded my cpu

Ladies and gentlemen the pc will not post

[cloud otter]

[vale dirge]

Ladies and gentlemen the pc no longer turns on. Good night

[meager elbow]

have you tried clearing cmos

[sleek leaf]

Oh?

Havent yet

Had to go to work before i got it to work

Ill try when i get home

[sudden creek]

Anyone have some 6000cl26 D5 sticks they wanna donate to the OC cause?

[sleek leaf]

Good news

Flashing bios got it to post

Bad news

[sleek leaf]

It posted nvm

Screw msi and their stupid bios

[cloud otter]

Any CPU better than the ryzen 7 9850x3d for gaming?

[shut thicket]

No

[strange sedge]

9950x3d

But it’s not worth it for gaming over a 9850x3d

[cloud otter]

👍

[raw sinew]

no, other than maybe the 9950x3d if you stream

[sudden creek]

9950x3D because it can load the background tasks to the P-cores though the differece is small.

Note that the v-cache ccd on the 9950x3D hits 5.55Ghz whilst the 9850x3D is 5.6Ghz.

[cloud otter]

ooo

less go

[steel galleon]

how much was it

[meager elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-one-billion-dollars-haha-money-gif-16679435

[cloud otter]

400

FB Marketplace

6400MT 32CL

[potent dew]

💀

It's crazy that I bought my kit for like $100 three years ago

Still the one of the best investments in my computer

6000MT 30CL Hynix M-die

Where should I go look for a cheap-er desktop CPU with a 780M or some other pretty good iGPU?

I want to redo my parents' computer since it has a Zen+ or Zen 2 Ryzen 3 lol

[potent dew]

I think someone was saying alibaba or aliexpress or something is a good place?

[strange sedge]

Uh

You mean like a APU?

Cause a 780m would mean am5 I’m p sure… unless you mean a laptop

[potent dew]

Yes

The only one listed on PCPP is the 8700G and there are definitely more that have the 780M

It's also $267 on PCPP which is kind of crazy

[wind karma]

Right but you'll have to buy ddr5 for it. Almost certainly better to stick on am4/ddr4

[potent dew]

My thought has been to look on Marketplace since prices for used have been pretty good when I've seen it

[wind karma]

Do your parents game or use 3d software?

If not, something like a 5600G (and 16gb ddr4) is likely more than enough for whatever they're doing

[potent dew]

Yeah, hmm

I was kind of thinking about a Framework laptop too, because my dad has a not so great laptop he uses for something called Zwift that he will also stream sometimes

Basically a game, not crazy intensive but that's a combination of the game being well optimized and automatically setting quality without giving you a choice

[wind karma]

IMO framework isn't really worth it unless you're rough/careless with your laptop and need to replace the screen or keyboard

The base price and price of cpu/gpu upgrades means you don't save $ vs just buying a new laptop

I guess the 16 lets you take out the gpu for a more portable laptop which is cool

[strange sedge]

Am5 + ddr5 + that cpu just kinda sucks

Just get a laptop

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-zenbook-s-16-16-3k-oled-touch-screen-laptop-copilot-pc-amd-ryzen-ai-9-365-24gb-memory-1tb-ssd-scandinavian-white/JJGGLQSYLC this would be pretty overkill but it’s such a great laptop for everything

[wind karma]

There's also this which could be good if they wanted to crank the bike sim graphics + stream?

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/lenovo-loq-15-6-full-hd-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-7235hs-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4050-512gb-ssd-luna-grey/JJGH3SKKHG/sku/6646505?sb_share_source=PDP&ref=app_pdp&loc=pdp_page

[long geyser]

FW ain't too bad after a few upgrade cycles, at least if you're one to upgrade often. Cuz really you just need to upgrade GPU often and mobo (cpu) every once in a while (for most people getting a dGPU computers). Problem is that will take a while as that's a few upgrade cycles, at which point you're really buying into a company promise which is unwise. Even if the company appears based like FW.

[wind karma]

Might be different now but last I looked, buying a $1200 framework and using/ upgrading it for 8 years was worse performance overall than a $600-800 laptop for 4 years and repeat

I don't remember the exact comparison I made but yeah

Buying framework is definitely a premium but you're supporting a really cool idea

[long geyser]

I compared with GPU upgrade every gen and mobo every few gens. Then selling anything used for both comparisons. Was comparing to fw16 with dGPU tho, makes things more expensive on both sides

iirc it'd take me like three upgrade cycles to break even, where I am (canada)

Before RAM price increase

[wind karma]

ok interesting

[raw sinew]

what do your parents do?

[vale basalt]

WHAT cpu settings in bios should I turn off and or turn on to get lower cpu usage on my cpu?

[sudden creek]

Limit the frame rate in your games or overclock the CPU.

[vale basalt]

Is there any settings I should have off in bios tho

Or on ?

And I use PBO

so shouldn’t PBO be off when overclocking

[sudden creek]

Use PBO for overclocking unless you're going for all core.

Start by maxing out the PPT/TDC/EDC, in other words the power limits. From here you need to decide if your goal is better lows or higher average. If the objective is higher average then apply the highest stable clock override then move onto curve Optimizer otherwise skip clock override and go straight to curve optimizer. In both situations the goal for curve optimizer is to use as little voltage as possible so the V/F curve will tell the CPU to try and boost more aggressively.

[vale basalt]

I’m just trying to get a more stable cpu usage, so I think that would be better lows

My fps is high enough in my games but I keep getting high usage

[sudden creek]

Why is high usage an issue for you?

[vale basalt]

It’s causing stutters

You’d think it’s a bottleneck but I’m getting low gpu usage and high cpu at times

Other times it’ll be 100% gpu which is obviously normal

Other times it’ll be other way around

[sudden creek]

Means the CPU isn't able to keep up with the GPU in whichever load you're putting it under.

A OC will help reduce the bottleneck but not solve it if it's hitting 100%.

[vale basalt]

So I figured it out @sudden creek was

It was a setting on in bios

Not sure which one but I turned off turbo boost and asus enhancement

And my cpu usage is back to normal

[sudden creek]

Interesting. The setting is probably messing with app priority is my guess.

[vale basalt]

so weird man

arc raiders was running 60% gpu or less and 100 cpu and when I turned it off 100 for gpu and 40-50 cpu

[sudden creek]

And how is the performance? Usage is not everything.

[vale basalt]

perfect not a issue

[vocal shore]

what is the best intel gaming motherboard of 2026?

[hollow thorn]

For what CPU, for what budget, for what use, and for which form factor?

[shut thicket]

God......

[steel galleon]

for the intel refresh

[vocal shore]

i should of started off with, I'm looking to build a new pc that is used for gaming. Budget min 1200.00, max 1600.00, Form factor ATX, (ASUS) Motherboard intel, memory ddr5, 3 to 4 m.2, has 3.5 audio jacks , a intel i9 cpu chip that will work with mb, a liquid cooled cpu cooler, A RTX Nvidia vc, m.2's for win11 and games or ssd's for games, PSU, atx tower case with rgb on front (if any) and glass door on the side and has room for ssd, hdd and the cpu cooler, rgb system fans that will fit in the case, razor wireless keyboard and mouse, mouse pad with rgb. Even if your recommendation goes over my budget any recommendation would be appreciated as i would like to get the best stable parts as possible. Thank you in advance for anyone who gives their recommendation.

ok thank you!

that was 3 to 4 m.2's

i thought m.2 was much faster than ssd

[vague apex]

Pretty much every z890 will have 4+. Amd boards generally don't though.