cpus-mobo-and-memory

[dull flint]

I only chopped you down

Lmao

[prisma hill]

unfortunaetly all the ones im seeing are all bundle deals with another mobo and some ram and its priced at 400, I can nearly buy it new for that price

[burnt spear]

He just advocates against spending on things you don't need

[burnt spear]

Oof

[prisma hill]

Anyways I gtg but thanks for answering my questions

[hollow thorn]

haven't chopped me down yet

[dull flint]

Ur an itx boi I forgive

[hollow thorn]

good luck, there's always random stuff that goes up on the used market

[viral lagoon]

thankfully me wasting money doesnt affect you 😉

[dull flint]

I'm riddled with hourly torment (I forgot 5 minutes later)

@prisma hill 5600x is basically a 3800x but better single core performance

[viral lagoon]

ive already been pontificating my build pics post and what im gonna put in the text when people start piling on about how much money i wasted

[dull flint]

So yeah, agreed with bacca

[dull flint]

If you're that worried then return a couple things lol

We're not that judgemental

[viral lagoon]

im not worried, i just dont want to hear about it when it doesnt affect anyone

[dull flint]

Unless you drop like 50% of the budget on pure aesthetics when you can do the same from like thermalright for a tenth the cost we honestly don't really care

Lol

[viral lagoon]

nah i wasnt paying $400 just for fans

[burnt spear]

Also anything corsair that isn't a psu or case

[dull flint]

There's a few people who regular here with stuff like that

[burnt spear]

Or anything nzxt

Then we'll judge you

[dull flint]

Hell judge me

[prisma hill]

Btw generally for buying used is there anything I should be checking in specific, like obv physical damage and bent pins and such, and best case scenario I see it working but is there anything not basic that would be a good idea to check

[dull flint]

I have over 5 figures in pc tech rn for my own collection lol

[burnt spear]

Reputable profile mainly

[viral lagoon]

i think its just the one kid here recently who got railroaded hard for spending $2700 on a prebuilt

he lost his mind

[burnt spear]

Yeah she was upset

[dull flint]

Did it have a 4090 or 5090

[burnt spear]

Was mad at naht and crap

[burnt spear]

4070 super

14900k

Pre built "on sale"

[dull flint]

Absolutely deserved it

[burnt spear]

Quok and vex were going in a little too hard and she was responding a lot too harshly

[dull flint]

Idc if people think we need to be a "safe" space. Here's the deal. Kids need to learn what being scammed is

2800 for a 4070S pc is a scam

You could literally get the highest end pc for that much a year ago

[viral lagoon]

like I overspent $100 on mobo, $50 on case, and $100 on GPU, not the end of the world

[dull flint]

Does that fly in the face of server rules? Probably. My moral compass is important tho

[dull flint]

That's absolutely nothing

[burnt spear]

No one is saying it is

[dull flint]

The way you wrote it made it sound like you bought some 700$ board lol

[burnt spear]

Didn't you go x870e nova?

[dull flint]

250 extra is nothing

[burnt spear]

Thats the one high end board we love

[viral lagoon]

now when my 70ti is missing half the ROPs thatll be when I look like a dunce

[dull flint]

You won't be chewed out for that

At all

[hollow thorn]

most of our judgement goes towards either planned parts or recently bought parts that could be returned that saves money and/or increases performance

[dull flint]

And even then we're lenient

[viral lagoon]

870e tomahawk wifi

[burnt spear]

I still can't support a $900 5070 ti but thats just because nvidia. You paying $150 for the aesthetic you liked and not having to deal hunt is perfectly sensible.

[hollow thorn]

if you spend $50 extra on a part because it fits aesthetics or something, and you understand that's what you're spending your money on, we don't really care

[dull flint]

If you bought a 4070S PC for 2800 when you should've paid 1100? Sure we'll eat you alive tho 💀

[burnt spear]

Slightly less loved but still one of the only x870es i even consider suggesting

[viral lagoon]

i question spending $100 on PSU cables more than anything else lmao

[viral lagoon]

kinda glad i didnt go asrock after the discussion earlier about them cooking CPUs

[dull flint]

For the sake of an easy time and good looks, it's better than the many dollars wasted on strimmers which cause more problems than help looks

[hollow thorn]

the known issues there have reportedly been resolved by the bios update

there could be something else unknown involved, but I wouldn't be too worried about it rn

[viral lagoon]

that nova is a dam good looking mobo though

[dull flint]

It honestly sounds like you didn't really overspend at all

[viral lagoon]

i think its more of impatience and willingness to compromise couldve saved me around $250-300

i probably didnt need to go the extra $30 for the SK Hynix P41 either, but oh well

[burnt spear]

I love the p41

Among the best gen 4 ssds

[viral lagoon]

fanciest box ive seen for an SSD lol

that and all my fans showed up today

and my vert gpu mount

im hoping it's canadian or something but someone in another discord im in is about to drop 4k

[dull flint]

Better have a 90 card or it's another scam

Lol

[viral lagoon]

confirmed its not canadian

[dull flint]

LOL

[viral lagoon]

this will be that person buying the prebuilt

[strange sedge]

I’m spending 100$ extra on looks

[strange sedge]

Wasn’t that the one girl who used userbenchmakr

[strange sedge]

Ngl it was funny asf

[viral lagoon]

I believe they also were berating them in DM's so it went too far all around

[dull flint]

I wasn't there for it

But that sounds a little overboard yeah

I still wouldn't defend that pc tho

That was literally 4090 money, like 2x the performance minimum lol

[viral lagoon]

it was clearly someone very young who didnt understand the value of money

[dull flint]

Yeah

[viral lagoon]

they were timed out multiple times and as soon as it ended started attacking everyone, even nahtuhlay

probably their parents CC or something

[dull flint]

I didn't see any of it

[viral lagoon]

i had to remove myself from the person asking for PSU advice on that 4k prebuilt

i cant fathom spending that much on a prebuilt from IBP

[dull flint]

Lol

[viral lagoon]

i have a hard time believing 5090s are worth that much

msrp on a 5080 is $999 so it seems weird that the 5090 triples in price

[dull flint]

I mean I said before it came out the 5090 will probably be like 2 grand max if they want to keep people happy

Then it was but they gave us effectively no improvement in value

Complete 180 vs the 40 series launches

[viral lagoon]

every time i see a 5080 go in stock for a few minutes at $999 i kick myself

[dull flint]

They're really not as great as they sound

Msrp 5070ti is much better

[viral lagoon]

well i didnt get it for msrp, thats why i kick myself 😛

[dull flint]

And then 9070XT is incredibly compelling on top of that at msrp or really sub 700

[viral lagoon]

unless prices come down in a few weeks/months i think the sub 700 9070 dream is over

only like 3 left online under 720

[dull flint]

A $900 5070Ti can be considered fairly competitive to a $999 5080

[viral lagoon]

best buy raised one of their last $599 cards to $830, an insane jump

[dull flint]

5080 is single digits over a 4080, 5070 Ti is single digits under

Both at 900 and 999 lose to an 800 4080 from last year

[viral lagoon]

yeah, sadge 4080 gone

its actually crazy that nvidia stock is up 1800% in 5 years

itll take several releases this bad to humble them

and i dont even know if they will get humbled because theyre leaning so hard into AI and thats what all the mega corps want

[dull flint]

Next drop I might put a little nest egg into that

[viral lagoon]

wish i was better with investing, i know im gonna be in trouble in 35 years

[dull flint]

Being in trouble after 35 years would be a stock brokers dream lmfao

[viral lagoon]

my fidelity tracker says im on track but i dunno

most of my stuff is tied to the S&P 500 which is reliant on like 10 companies for the majority of the value, seems like an easy pitfall

the uncertainty of the future is a hell of a thing to deal with in adulthood

[rapid thunder]

Is memtest86 a good testing tool?

[dull flint]

No

The best 86 will tell you is if you can boot to windows

It's not a good stability test for anything more than that

You won't be game stable, fully stable, not even close

[rapid thunder]

So I am trying memtest 5 with the anta777 config. I started the application with admin privileges and have just let it run without doing anything else to the computer. How many cycles should I let it run for in the interest of thoroughness?

[dull flint]

Until it says it's done

It'll be a couple hours usually

Default config won't be much longer unless you have like, over 64gb

[rapid thunder]

48GB in this rig. How many cycles would that be? Will it just stop on its own if I leave it and go to bed?

To run it I clicked on the application in the folder then I loaded config and exited, selecting the anta777 file then restarted it.

I say that simply because I didn't see a README anywhere and that seemed the most logical way of using the tool.

The version I have is v0.12

[dull flint]

It would show 15 or 16 tests on the middle left hand side

It's 3 cycles

Of a large combination of those tests

48GB would probably take like 2.5 hours?

Depends how stable you are

[jade mantle]

Do we have an estimated date on 9950x3d restock ?

[viral lagoon]

no

there's rumors of a large gpu drop happening on april 1st (april fools?) maybe they will have CPUs as well

[rapid thunder]

So

It appears to be a success, but I don’t understand why the shown clock is 3800 when my set speed is 6400 mt/s

[dull flint]

That's cpu clock

Also congrats

I.... can't remember why this was suggested lol

Too long ago

[rapid thunder]

So my new rig has 48 GB of DDR5, and after I set the profile in bios to the rated speed, I started getting an explorer application error only on shut down, but have never had a system crash in all the benchmarks and games I’ve played.

The only crashes I experienced on the windows side of the build (it’s a dual boot) were game crashes in Dawn of War Soulstorm, which seems to have stability problems in general.

I was advised that mentest5 with anta777 was the ultimate stability stress test

The memory location changes every shut down as far as I can tell

And it only displays the message for a few seconds before continuing a normal shut down

Sfc scan now also turns up no errors over perhaps dozens of tries now

[dull flint]

Hmmm

Have you tried the ssd in another slot

[rapid thunder]

Between that, the games and 3D bench marks, and memtest5 I’m pretty satisfied with system stability.

[dull flint]

Or ssd's plural

[rapid thunder]

But I still don’t know what’s causing the issue.

All m.2 slots are populated

[dull flint]

Try shuffling them around

Change sata iii cables as well

If stability tests don't find anything, immediately suspect power

Change cpu power cables as well

[rapid thunder]

One has Windows and the other has Linux Mint. I’m worried about borking up my configuration

[dull flint]

Change monitor cables too

Usb

Be sus of all cables

[rapid thunder]

How would a monitor cable be implicated?

[dull flint]

I would still shuffle because it's quoting a memory write error

Yet stability tests aren't revealing anything

[dull flint]

Bad cables can cause literally anything to happen

A bad sata iii cable killed my 7950X3D

Data cable

[rapid thunder]

How?

[dull flint]

Overcurrent straight to i/o die

Had on and off issues for 1.5 years until one day it would refuse to turn on with more than 3 usb attached

Copying files would disconnect all usb

Board was fine, cpu was basically dead

One rma and a new cpu later I find the same issue again but only after reattaching a sata ssd

I should be a bit more specific it was in fact the ssd itself?

But cables can do exactly the same thing

Had a friend about a month ago tell me he couldn't run any games without crashing

We ran every test

Took the whole thing apart

Wasn't until we tried taking out display cables that we fixed it

He runs an old system of mine and is a one handed gaming legend

It's also just one of a few examples of a bad cable messing everything up

[rapid thunder]

The case front USB-C doesn’t work and I suspect there’s an issue with the MOBO header, but I have not tested it with anything else yet.

The MOBO I/O works fine

[dull flint]

Had a hdmi switch (not even the pc itself) plugged into a pc that was causing issues a few months back

The switch power brick was the issue

Unplugged it and it all worked again

[rapid thunder]

But how would that affect the PC?

[dull flint]

Usb c is a separate header to the 3.0/3.2 headers

[rapid thunder]

It’s not a part of it

[dull flint]

Bad power

Bad power via hdmi

Feeds right in via the gpu and creates havoc on stability

Random shut downs

Crashes

Intermittent errors

Yet stress tests show nothing

Sound familiar? Lol

Bad cables can feed bad power into different components for a thousand reasons

Causing weird inexplicable issues

One of my pc's had a bad cpu cable that I never worked out for a whole year cos I literally replaced everything, put it all back, and the issue was gone

Manifested itself again and I started to suspect cable extensions

Turns out that was an excellent guess and I learned a lot of extensions can cause power issues by going bad with time

Especially strimmers

Huge 12v droop problems out of spec, leads to tons of power issues

[rapid thunder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ThelVadam4321/saved/YDsWrH

[dull flint]

Yeah suspect all cables and drive slots

[rapid thunder]

Sometimes when I restart the explorer in the task manager it doesn't get the fault and sometimes it randomly shuts down without that fault too

[dull flint]

If stability tests aren't revealing the problem then it's either power OR the install itself is ruined

[rapid thunder]

That would be an extreme pain in the arse at this point.

[dull flint]

Shuffling slots, changing cables, those things will reveal power related issues

[dull flint]

Power issues are considered complex for a reason

The easiest way to handle it is to pay another guy to do it

Lol

[rapid thunder]

I don't think I have multiples of certain power cables either. I just used what came with my PSU

[dull flint]

Even changing which ports are plugged in

Makes all the difference

[rapid thunder]

Well, this is fascinating

First time scannow has shown any faults

[dull flint]

Check the log file and scroll down to the very bottom

It'll say which files it repaired

If you're lucky it's just some common driver like wifi and not some core windows part lol

[rapid thunder]

I've got a bad feeling about this.

But if it repaired it...

I think I might have found something. When it throws out that error I think it usually mentions something about razer synapse delaying shut down as it closes.

I'm trying to see how manully closing the app before shut down affects things.

It's not exaclty an app I want to go without mind you as it's pretty useful for managing my mouse

[dull flint]

Bluetooth

You're in luck

[rapid thunder]

Oh?

I think I might have bluetooth shut off since I don't use it with this machine

[dull flint]

Still corrupts

On or off

[rapid thunder]

Driver manager to fix?

[dull flint]

Wifi too as does realtek

[rapid thunder]

Or device manager in windows

[dull flint]

Download from mobo website and reinstall that way

[rapid thunder]

I didn't use any mobo site (or in the past dvd) supplied drivers this time because on my last build I got BSOD until I just relied on windows update to take care of it all.

I take it sometimes individual things still slip through the cracks?

[dull flint]

You can run into issues if you don't at the minimum download chipset drivers from the motherboard website

I can't say if this is the solution, but you really should have those downloaded

[rapid thunder]

Will bluetooth be included in system and chipset?

[dull flint]

Bluetooth is on the motherboard website

Depending on the module intel also offers separate updates via their update tool

[rapid thunder]

Under LAN drivers there is AMD bluetooth drivers

[dull flint]

Yeah that sounds right

They often clump lan and bluetooth drivers together for downloads

[rapid thunder]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B650-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI/support#driver

There is also realtek bluetooth drivers

Which should I get?

[dull flint]

That's....interesting

Pick realtek if device manager lists realtek bluetooth

Otherwise pick amd

[rapid thunder]

Downloaded the realtek one

Do I just extract and run it?

It also has an uninstall command script too inside the folder

I usually let Windows handle its own drivers so I'm actually not sure what the best approach is.

[dull flint]

Yes

Run uninstall

Then reinstall

That should just fix the driver (update often will not fix this nor sfcscan

Then I'd go back and check out shuffling storage slots, cables

Particularly m.2 slots and sata cables, and CPU cables

Of all the power related stuff I mentioned those would get my attention first

I need to go man

Sorry, it's 3:30am

Lmao

Can't stay longer or my eyes will leave without me

[rapid thunder]

It... still had the explorer.exe application error. Thank you for your advice. I think my trouble shooting energy is exhausted for now. I'll reattack later. Sleep well.

[viral lagoon]

So for a ram kit with RGB from someone like Klevv, is the RGB going to be configurable in something like OpenRGB? Or will there be software specifically for Klevv like Gskill has? Looks like it works with any mainboard RGB app, will figure it out when the time comes

[steady wigeon]

stupid question but in what kinds of things would you notice the effects of installing more RAM? thinking about going from 16 to 32

[wind karma]

being able to have more things open without slowdowns

[meager elbow]

ram heavy games will stop crashing from oom

[viral lagoon]

You usually do your first two ram sticks in channel a right?

[steady wigeon]

I think for normal ram it's the 2nd slot and 4th slot for dualchannel

if you're using two

[wind karma]

yeah you want 2nd and 4th slot

[viral lagoon]

so DIMMA2 and DIMMB2?

ah yep im dumb, just needed to go one more page in the manual

hopefully everything works since best buy thought it wasnt necessary to ship the motherboard in a box

[meager elbow]

???

[steady wigeon]

they didnt ship it in a box?

was it used or something?

[grizzled bloom]

Bringing new meaning to "open box"

[steady wigeon]

the whole world is the opening

[viral lagoon]

It was new, but they stuffed the motherboard box inside a paper envelope and shipped it like that

[steady wigeon]

oh

so it's a package containing a closed box

you'd think for a fragile object like that they would include more padding

[viral lagoon]

You'd think, nothing appears broken or loose, so we will see

[cyan flume]

question

now i installed a new motherboard

and a new cpu

new M.2 memory

and i still have my old gpu

(rtx2060)

whenever i turn on my pc i can see the gpu fan spin for a second then turn off, then try to spin again then turns off and never tries it again.
but everything else spins normally in my pc.
but i cant get it to boot or see the BIOS system

[wind karma]

Do the gpu fans spin when you run a game?

Oh you can't get it to boot

Reseat ram, cpu, power cables is a good start

Gpu fans typically have a zero RPM mode where they turn off when there's no gpu load

[potent dew]

Open box motherboard
No box motherboard

[meager elbow]

Who approved of this

[viral lagoon]

it must be standard practice at best buy, there were a few reviews that said it's what they do, but I figured after those 1 star reviews they'd improve the shipping. But they did not

[meager elbow]

TBF I don't think they actually read the reviews

You'll have to escalate it to customer support

[viral lagoon]

we will find out in a week or two if the board works

[wind karma]

Were the 1 star reviews "they packaged it badly and it broke" or "they packaged it badly"?

Becuse if the packaging method isn't actually resulting in issues it's evidently working fine

[viral lagoon]

one of them said the board arrived broken

[shy wyvern]

I didn't realize how poor ryzen memory controllers were

I can't even get 6200 stable on two dimms 🥲

I have a 2 x 24 6400mts kit

[grizzled bloom]

It's not the memory controller so much as the infinity fabric speed

You can run 12,000 with the right hardware

[burnt spear]

have you updated bios?

[grizzled bloom]

But the infinity fabric will be desynchronized. The max at sync is usually 6000-6400.

[shy wyvern]

Newest bios, yes

I've also never have needed such a long memory training

Took 47 minutes on first boot. Legit thought it was DOA

[grizzled bloom]

First boot as in running at jedec speed or first boot after enabling expo

And was BIOS updated prior to that

[dull flint]

It's a lottery

You might have a sample that just runs 6000 or 5800

It happens

[shy wyvern]

First time booting ever

Like motherboard had never seen power before

[dull flint]

That can happen

If you find yourself waiting a long time every single boot however, I would consider rma

Am5 systems I've seen with constantly really long training times tend to have some sort of major stability issue on a hardware level

[prisma hill]

What do you guys think of a 145$ CAD Ryzen 7 5700 used, comes with a fan, brand new costs 180 CAD

I feel its a little high considering I could get a new one for 180 but I'm wondering what do you guys think

[spice fog]

no idea what the exchange from canadian to usd is🙂

but yeah its prob a good deal- if its from a reputable seller, obviously

[burnt spear]

thats decent

[dull flint]

5700 is the apu 5700g without igpu

5600/x would be better at the same price

(Yes this is unfortunately a thing)

5600 is like a 5600X

But 5700 is like 5700G

Big difference, half the cache and monolithic

[prisma hill]

Damn

I thought 5700 and 5600x were pretty much equivalent

Is the 5700 you're talking about the same one I'm talking about

[distant gulch]

6 core versus 8

[dull flint]

5700 is basically 5700g

5600 is basically 5600x

G cpus are more like ryzen 3000 X cpus

For gaming performance

[prisma hill]

So you're saying a 5600/x would be better

Looking at the passmark stuff above it seems like 5700 is slightly worse on single thread but only by a tiny bit

Are you saying thered be a bigger difference between the 5600/x and a 5700

[burnt spear]

passmark doesn't show the difference in cache

you'd need to look at game benchmarks to show that

5600/x will be about 10-15% better in games

if not a bit higher

[prisma hill]

damn, thought the single thread rating was pretty much the thing that said which is better

Good think I asked, thanks for answering

so everyone I go I keep seeing the 5600/x as one of the best options

what are some other cpus that are on that kind of level where theyre just simply very strong and not overly priced

i5 12600KF?

[grizzled bloom]

Passmark is good for general comparison but the test suite is focused on production

12600 is decent, make sure to use DDR5 though

DDR4 makes it lose 5-15% of the CPU performance depending on the game

[prisma hill]

quick question about DDR5, does it matter if its 2 sticks vs 1 stick vs 4 sticks or something

or does it depend on mobo

[grizzled bloom]

1 or 2 sticks ideally

4 sticks comes with steep penalties in speed

Technically speaking 2 is best but it doesn't matter as much as it did for DDR4

Whatever you do, don't get 8GB sticks

[burnt spear]

12600k on ddr4 is still better than 5600/x tbf

12400f abt matches the 5600

11400f/11600k would be ok for the right price, if you can find a decent priced mobo to match

[prisma hill]

what about ddr5 speed

does it make much of a difference

[burnt spear]

Yes

You could do a 1x16 6000c30 stick and add a second later, for the sake of budget

[prisma hill]

so lets say one stick of ram at 6000 vs one at 6200

thats like 3% faster, what would the difference in performance be in something like that

[burnt spear]

It wouldn't be noticeable

[grizzled bloom]

Negligible

[prisma hill]

what about 6000 vs 7000, around 18% differnence in speed

[grizzled bloom]

DDR4 vs 5 in GTA V with a 12600K and 6900 XT

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/nxFCmG/patriot-viper-venom-16-gb-1-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-pvv516g60c30

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4cCCmG/patriot-viper-venom-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-pvv532g600c30k

[grizzled bloom]

Very little difference still for gaming

Most games are more cache and latency limited than RAM speed limited

[prisma hill]

I see

Thanks

[grizzled bloom]

That's also the reason why the AMD X3D chips dominate so much in gaming

Way more cache to play with

[prisma hill]

If you guys had to say a couple of the top cpus to pick from what would your choices be

like a 5600/x
12600KF

are there other ones that I should mainly be focusing on

bc Im finding some cpus that I think seem good but then I ask you guys and theyre just not good compared to a "go to" like a 5600/x

[shy wyvern]

Undervolt + 105W eco mode = 21,000 in R23 and pristine gaming performance

I don't have the mounting hardware for my AIO so I'm using a cheap $14 cooler to hold me over (Assassin x 120 refined SE) and it stays at 85°C under load

It's boosting to 5.3-5.5Ghz too which doesn't seem too bad

[grizzled bloom]

13400 but only if it's cheaper than the 12600K because they're effectively the same CPU but the 13400 is locked

There's always the AliExpress 7500F route too, which gets you on a modern platform

[prisma hill]

I see, thanks

[prisma hill]

is there a specific listing on aliexpress that youre refering to or just any seller that looks reputable

[shy wyvern]

To add to this, if the 13500 is a similar price, it is by far the best value

Better Igpu and 4 more cores

[prisma hill]

I wont be using the igpu in any case, so does an igpu effect performance at all or does it just sit there idle

like if I find a cpu that is an F version and another that isnt the F version, then theyre both pretty much the exact same right

[grizzled bloom]

Yes they're the same

[grizzled bloom]

There's a few reputable sellers that are obvious because they have tens of thousands of reviews

They're not hard to find, they tend to pop up in the first few results when you search for a product

[prisma hill]

Alr thanks, Ill evaluate my options and see what I go for

currently just looking at it, the 12600KF is cheapest at 160 buying new bc its on sale at a store nearby

5600x is 190 new and cant find anything less than 180 used, aliexpress has one at 116$, 5k+ sold with 54 reviews @4.9 stars

theres a sealed 13600K for 260 on marketplace

then a ryzen 5 7500F on aliexpress for 200, 1000+ sold 270 reviews @4.9 stars

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm 7500F went up quite a bit. It used to be $150.

[prisma hill]

This is Canadian

[grizzled bloom]

Ah

[prisma hill]

Ye

Cant find sellers with reviews in the thousands

[prisma hill]

Would you say a seller like the ones here are trustable, or do you think they bot sales, bc that low amount of reviews for sales doesnt make sense to me, the 7500F maybe, the 5600x na doesnt sound right

[grizzled bloom]

It's not uncommon for less than 5% of buyers to leave a review in the US, and that can be even lower outside the states

Language barriers and all that

I'd help pick one out but it's being a pain on mobile

[prisma hill]

Dw about it

Thanks regardless

Ill prob spend some time tmrw making a build plan with mobo and ram with the 3 dif cpus and see which one will be best in terms of performance and price

Bacca sent some lists I can use as a starting point too

still need to think about gpu

need to check out cases and powersupplies too, but those will stay the same regardless of what cpu mobo ram I decide on

gpu I think Im gonna try to find something used, anything new is just too expensive for what Im paying for

[sudden creek]

Hi, can someone help me make a budget build for my friend?

His budget is $800 USD, location New Mexico.

• WiFi is required
• Color/looks aren't a concern
• Plays mostly Rust and Ark Survival Ascended
• ideally would prefer an upgrade path

[distant gulch]

800$ budget for ascended is a big rip 😭

[burnt spear]

sczcpu and cometcrash global are good sellers on ali

[sudden creek]

agreed.

I asked if he could raise the budget to $1,200. He said he's going to ask his mother about selling the laptop to make up the difference.

[distant gulch]

even my gre isnt happy playing ascended, def one of the worst optimized games out there

[prisma hill]

Arks more cpu intensive than gpu (at least ark survival evolved, I played Ark survival ascended for a total of 60 hours maybe, havent touched it since last year)

I used to play ark with an fx 8320 and a gtx 970, would average less than 30fps in open areas, any kind of base or anything id be even less

But then I upgraded my cpu to a 5600x, now im getting 150+fps in a lot of areas, this is with the same gtx 970 as the gpu

I play on the lowest possible settings tho, even editing the game files to make it even lower

[potent dew]

It runs better than the original game

[distant gulch]

ark ascended isnt more cpu intensive the higher resolution you go lol which is typical, it scales pretty damn tremendously. on low/medium settings at 1440p i could range about 50fps on average with no upscaling or frame gen

[distant gulch]

i hope to god youre saying that based on technology available on each release

because yeah beta evolved was rough

although you do have to factor in gpus are WAY more expensive now

[potent dew]

That's from playing Survival Evolved then trying Ascended

I didn't end up playing Ascended long because it's literally the exact same game, but Ascended generally ran better

Ascended also isn't 300GB when you add a couple of maps and mods

[viral lagoon]

hmm my black motherboard came with a white wifi antenna, thanks MSI

[spice fog]

time for spraypaint😂

[viral lagoon]

based on my research it looks like that could damage it, I will try reaching out to MSI about a replacement

[spice fog]

yeah plus it might interfere with the signal

as a stand-in option, just attaching foil to the wifi contacts should get you some signal

boom, diy antenna

[viral lagoon]

I will just use the antenna and deal with it not matching lol

[spice fog]

:despair:

[viral lagoon]

wow, they replied in less than 2 minutes and said they'll ship a black one

ez

[spice fog]

dang

props to msi ig

[viral lagoon]

based MSI

[prisma hill]

Following is three options on cpu mobo ram combos, what do you guys think of them? Prices are in CAD

12600KF:
160$ cpu, found i5-13400f used for 150 too
25$ fan
150$ mobo
60$ ram 16gb @ 6k mhz

total = 442 with tax, +60 if I want 32gb of ram

---

5600x:
190$ cpu, used found for 150 on marketplace, aliexpress 120ish
130$ mobo, b550M pro
60$ ram, 32gb @ 3.6kMhz

found TUF GAMING X570-PLUS and 16gb of 3.6k Mghz ram for 140$ used

total new = 425 with tax
total used = 290 + 35±5 for additional 16gb of ram (is 4 sticks fine? or better to sell the 2 sticks and buy 32gb for 60$)
can save 30$ ish if I buy from aliexpress too

7600:
280$ cpu, found a 7500F for 190 used
160$ mobo, B850M-X
120$ ram, 32gb @ 6kMhz

total new = 627 with tax
total used = 503

what do you guys think of these options
I checked sczcpu and cometcrash on aliexpress, sczcpu doesnt sell anything to canada as far as I can tell

[placid lake]

Folks, I got a ROG STRIX B450-E mobo, trying to figure out speediest ram to replace my Corsair mystery meat

[placid lake]

Better question, even with DOCP/XMP enabled this seems wrong? Especially not seeing as it should be in dual channel mode?

[sudden creek]

He ended up buying a prebuilt before asking. Specs are a I5-14400 or I5-14500 with a rtx 4060 if I recall correctly.

.

On a different topic, my motherboard arrived and I plan to pick it up later today. Do I need to do a fresh windows Install or can I get away with using my current installation?

@grizzled bloom, @dull flint

[dull flint]

Current if sfc scan is clean

[sudden creek]

sfc scan?

how do I do that

[grizzled bloom]

sfc /scannow

Admin command window

[sudden creek]

Is that the same as Command Prompt?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

Yes. Run as administrator.

[sudden creek]

It says You mmust be an administrator running a console session in order to use the sfc utility. @grizzled bloom

[grizzled bloom]

Did you click run as administrator

[sudden creek]

running it ad admin fixed that

🤦‍♂️

Apologies if I am a bit slow, just waking up and not much sleep/rest.

While the test runs, how's your day?

What does SFC stand for?

@grizzled bloom @dull flint here is the result.

[grizzled bloom]

System file checker

It found corrupt files, reinstall is recommended

Not strictly required since it says it repaired them

[sudden creek]

I would very much so like to avoid more hassles after this now what 3 month long motherboard fiasco? If push comes to shove correct me if I am wrong but I think I can try with the current windows and if something comes up am I able to backup my files or reinstall windows without losing my files?

... I just realized this problem has dragged on for almost 4 months.

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

[sudden creek]

The new board will finally give me an excuse to redo my cable management lmfao

alright I gotta go, thank you Fal'cie for showing me how to do a SFC SCAN and thank you Felix for the recommendation.

See you folks again tonight hopfully

[dull flint]

Reinstall

[prisma hill]

I was hoping someone could help me with a couple questions

What do you guys think of the tuf gaming x570 plus mobo

And what do you guys think of the b850m-x mobo

Is there anything bad about them or will they work fine as mobos, are there much better options?

I heard the 7500F has the same performance as the 7600, is that true?

My last question is just to confirm the order of performance, best is the 7600 then the 12600 then 5600, but upgradibulity wise it's 7600 then 5600 then 12600, is that correct?

[burnt spear]

am5 is the only platform with an upgrade path, am4 and lga1700 is same difference

7500f is an igpuless 7600 yeah

x570 plus is solid but i would just buy a cheap b450 or b550, unless the x570 is very close in price

b850m-x is passable, but limits you a bit upgrade wise

[prisma hill]

Are you saying x570 is better than a b450/b550?

Also what would the b850 limit me in upgradability wise?

Is it just the number of ram sticks or is it more than that?

What mobo would you recommend instead? All the other ones I found seem really expensive for a mobo

[burnt spear]

yeah but it's not going to be anything noticeable with a 5600, aside from some extra ports

b850m-x has mediocre vrms, which is cpu power delivery

most mobos can handle a 9800x3d, but it'd be pushing it for that mobo

[prisma hill]

The 570 was being sold used for cheaper than a new b550 so that works out assuming it actually works

[prisma hill]

What mobo would you recommend instead, all the other ones are like 250+ that I saw which doesn't make sense to me

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Pz2WGX/asus-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi

probably

[prisma hill]

Alright thank you once again for your help

[burnt spear]

np

[prisma hill]

How much better would you guys say the 7600 is compared to the 5600x

Bc im watching some videos where it shows the fps and the 7600 is only 10-20fps more

1% lows are a lot better for 7600 tho

[burnt spear]

Its about a 20% improvement

But thats when you're not gpu limited

[prisma hill]

What would a corresponding gpu be like

[burnt spear]

Anything up to a 7900xt/4070 ti super ish

5600x i wouldnt go over a 3080/7800xt ish, but you'd likely be cpu limited

Thats assuming 1440p

[prisma hill]

Would a 5700xt gpu limit the cpu

Either

[burnt spear]

Yes but having a gpu limit isn't really a bad thing imo

The main thing am5 is good for is upgradability- you can drop a gpu upgrade in later, and then whenever you feel you need it a new cpu

5700x3d is the am4 equivelant to the 7600/7500f

[prisma hill]

I see, bc rn going from 5600x to 7600 is 200$ more so I'm just considering if it's worth

How much is a 5700x3d

[burnt spear]

Likely too much to be worth

[prisma hill]

Ye fair enough

[burnt spear]

Its like $275 in the US, id only consider it around 180ish

Not sure what that translates to in cad

I cant type today lmao

[prisma hill]

Def way worse

Lol

It'd be more worth to just go am5 than x3d

[burnt spear]

180ish is probably what, 240?

$257

[prisma hill]

Ye

Same price as 7600

New

[burnt spear]

5700x3d needs a good cooler too

[prisma hill]

What about 7600

Stock is fine?

[burnt spear]

Can be cooled by basically anything, stock is fine yeah

[prisma hill]

Cool

Thanks

[prisma hill]

Slightly dumb question

Im planning on buying a 7600 used from marketplace, price was 190 but I got it to be 170 (couldve maybe got it more down but whatever)

anyways it doesnt come with a fan, but someone else is selling an amd wraith fan for 5$

my question is this:
Does any mounting brackets or anything need to come with the fan, or is that all with the mobo

Like are all amd stock fans the same and I can pick any random one and itll work?

[grizzled bloom]

There's a few different varieties but they'll all work. They attach to the plastic mounting bracket that comes with every motherboard.
It shouldn't matter if it's a model designed for AM4 or AM5, they're the same physical dimensions and fully compatible between them.

https://youtu.be/CTCZGy0eJqw?si=yGWeqMJWFVhNsQK0

The 7600 is also low enough power that you don't need the largest option, the Stealth is fine.

[prisma hill]

I see, thanks

so its universal between am4 and am5

mobo handles the brackets

this is what the guy said when I asked if I can see it working

does this cinebench score make sense (I have no idea what cinebench is)

things online say it should be like 10k+ but idk if im just looking at the wrong thing

[hollow thorn]

It's prob cinebench 2024 scores, those are much lower than cinebench r23 or r20 scores

You can ask them to double check

Most scores you see people talking about will be from r23, but if you try to download it new right now, it'll give you cinebench 2024

[prisma hill]

Doesnt sound like he wants to put it back in his rig, which is fair, do you guys think I should push to try to see it working or it should probably be fine?

Bought it just now, seems fine and the guy was nice

[prisma hill]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/PNKKHx/corsair-vengeance-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-cmk32gx5m2d6000z36

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4WjRsY/patriot-viper-venom-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6600-cl34-memory-pvv532g660c34k

Is there much of a performance difference between those ram kits

or is it marginal and I should just go for the cheaper one

[burnt spear]

Id go for 6000c30 that isn't corsair

[prisma hill]

does the cas latency make the difference not the speed

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4cCCmG/patriot-viper-venom-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-pvv532g600c30k

so this one for example

[grizzled bloom]

6400 isn't guaranteed to run on AMD without desynchronization from fclk, so that's a bigger performance problem than the overall speed

On DDR5 the CAS latency itself doesn't make any difference at all, but it does help figure out what memory die the stick uses. 6000 c30 or c32 is quite likely to be Hynix or Micron, the good ones, where c36 is often Samsung, the "bad" one.

[prisma hill]

does the bad one overheat or something or is it just slower

[grizzled bloom]

It has less potential for use in the future

Hynix and Micron dies can reach much higher clock speeds with tighter timings when overclocking compared to the Samsung die.

Samsung tops out around 6400

[prisma hill]

what about if I dont overclock

and have it on xmp

(I think its called xmp? just the recommended speed so like 6k or whatever)

[grizzled bloom]

It's a future problem to deal with, that's all

It's worth spending $5 more for a kit that will survive another 2-3 upgrades

Instead of the kit that will do maybe 1

XMP/EXPO is overclocking btw

Technically

[prisma hill]

Xmp is just the highest it can go to while staying stable right

[grizzled bloom]

It's the highest speed that they validated it for in the factory

[prisma hill]

this kit is good then?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes that Patriot kit is fine

[prisma hill]

alr thanks, last thing is motherboard now

[grizzled bloom]

Most likely Hynix M die, possibly Hynix A if you're lucky

[prisma hill]

so theres no way to check the ram?

to know the die

[grizzled bloom]

M die clocks up to 7200-ish
A die does 8000+

[prisma hill]

so when purchasing it doesnt tell you which one the ram kit has

[grizzled bloom]

Not usually no

Because there's often more than 1 die they're using

[prisma hill]

so is there a list of better ram that someone went and tested

[prisma hill]

so its random per kit?

[grizzled bloom]

Often yes

[prisma hill]

interesting

youd think theyd be the exact same

for a kit

bc made in teh same factory and stuff

[grizzled bloom]

Take a 6400 c36 kit for example. Any DDR5 die can do that, so they'll just toss in whichever one they have on hand that passes that level of validation.

Now what gives it away in that case is the other primary timings

36-36-36, Samsung
36-39-40, Hynix usually but could be Samsung

[dull flint]

How we usually do it here is we usually only suggest confirmed hynix kits

So like dependencies aside, if we suggest one, we've likely already decoded it as hynix

[grizzled bloom]

Hence 6000c30 recommendation

[dull flint]

Unless it's like stupid cheap, hynix is a no brainer

[prisma hill]

so what do these numbers represent

[dull flint]

Just by it's own natural state in motherboards they tend to run faster even stock (<hynix)

[prisma hill]

Also build boi, I hear that youre the professional when it comes to not overspending in mobos

[grizzled bloom]

CAS-tRCD-tRAS

Different operations that the memory can do

[prisma hill]

I see

these are the mobos I was looking at, the bottom one is the one Bacca recommended me

my question is

What makes the ones before them bad options?

I was looking at the B850M and Bacca said the power delivery to the cpu is not the best for better cpus like 9000 series stuff

But what about the other ones? Im just trying to understand what the differences are (other than # of slots and stuff)

For example, whats makes the B650M-A AX6 a bad choice?

[grizzled bloom]

All of the Asus Prime models have awful power delivery and throttle even an 8 core CPU

A620 I'd generally avoid mostly because they have firmware locks that remove some features. Only acceptable in certain cases or extremely tight budgets.

The ASRock B850m-x looks interesting, I'll check into that one

[prisma hill]

Thats the one Bacca said also has power delivery issues for higher end cpus like 9000 series

[prisma hill]

^

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah I see that now, only 6 vcore phases

I think that would be acceptable for lower power parts, Ryzen 7 and below

And honestly having only 2 memory slots is a plus to me. That often means it's more stable at high speed.

[prisma hill]

I just clicked through the other mobos and the other ones that look decent are within a couple dollars of the one bacca recommended so might as well go for it

so the options that I see are the b850M-x vs the 650 Plus wifi

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Pz2WGX/asus-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi

[prisma hill]

so overall theyll be the same but the difference is that I wont be able to upgrade the cpu in the future with the b850m?

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3VYfrH/asrock-b850m-pro-a-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b850m-pro-a

[grizzled bloom]

You wouldn't be able to upgrade to a higher power CPU, like a Ryzen 9 model, but upgrading to something relatively lower power like a 9800X3D should be fine

[prisma hill]

other difference ig is wifi too

would need a network card for the 650

[prisma hill]

is this option just the same as the 650 but without wifi, less pci slots and micro atx

[burnt spear]

Basically

[prisma hill]

whats the point of more than 1 pcie slot?

[burnt spear]

For most people you only need the one, but wifi cards, expansion cards for more ssds, capture cards for streaming, among others

[prisma hill]

I see, thanks

I dont think I need it for the use cases the pc will be for, but ill prob just go with teh 650 just for future proofing sake

But thanks to all for your guys help once again

[shy wyvern]

I just realized

my problem may have been I didn't realize my sticks were dual rank

maybe that's why I had to OV the IMC to get it to run 6400mhz 24GB dimms

[shy wyvern]

MORE AND MORE AND MORE USB PORTS

[grizzled bloom]

24GB sticks are single rank
48GB are dual rank

You probably just got an IMC that doesn't like 24Gb dies

[shy wyvern]

it says dual rank in the spec sheet

Must be an error then

did cpu z get rid of rank info?

I downloaded the newest one

[sudden creek]

CPU-Z to my knowledge is iffy about giving accurate info.

[mild jackal]

Don't trust CPUz for that kind of info

[hollow thorn]

CPUz is good for, well, CPU info, it's not very good for the memory info

[grizzled bloom]

It's also good at motherboard info

If there's ever any confusion about what version a board is, it tells you

[compact zenith]

So excited to beta test the next cpu, I never thought to ask until I got it, if I'd need a new motherboard 😦

[mild jackal]

What

[autumn spade]

?

[compact zenith]

Lol, was an April fools joke no one responded to till after April 1st.

[meager elbow]

lmao

[grizzled bloom]

Probably because it made zero sense to the point where it seemed like it was posted in the wrong server

[sudden creek]

@grizzled bloom @dull flint I am about to start installing the motherboard are guy available in case I run into an issue?

[sudden creek]

@grizzled bloom @dull flint unfortunately I am still experiencing the same boot problems.

The new board is much better so far in aspects unrelated to the booting issue but frustratingly that issue is still present.

.
At this point what do you guys think is the problem? I am assuming CPU or RAM since the VGA light never shows up.

[sudden creek]

@lime quartz we have another potential bot.

Spamming in every channel the Instagram link.

[lime quartz]

i see that

[sudden creek]

@grizzled bloom is it fine for me to clear cmos while the PSU is set to on? PC is powered off.

[grizzled bloom]

With a jumper or button yes

[sudden creek]

Using the button method you recommended me

[grizzled bloom]

Battery method no because 3.3V might still be flowing

[sudden creek]

It's been like heaven btw thank you so much for that tip.

[grizzled bloom]

The button/jumper directly disconnects the cmos chip from power so it works psu on or off

[sudden creek]

Ahh gotcha

I have been turning the PSU off and it's getting annoying to do that every couple of minutes for hours on end.

@grizzled bloom this is interesting.

This MSI X670E Gaming WiFi allows me to choose how long it remembers.

[grizzled bloom]

Interesting indeed. I guess that would refresh the training periodically in case of degradation.

[sudden creek]

Is this unique to this board or is it a common feature on higher end boards?

[grizzled bloom]

I wouldn't know

I have a sample size of AM5 boards of 1

[sudden creek]

Fair.

You have a 7900x3D yes?

How has it been treating you.

[grizzled bloom]

It's been great. I don't even use process lasso anymore.

[sudden creek]

Same here on process lasso

[grizzled bloom]

There's only one game that still hitches for me after updating bios and chipset

And it's an indie game in early access sooooo

[sudden creek]

Makes sense.

I am finally in windows!!! It only took a grand whopping 4 hours and 40 some minutes @grizzled bloom!

...

I wish I was joking

[tender sleet]

Ripperoni

[sudden creek]

Oh by the way can I get thoughts on the cable management?

I worked really hard on it this time around to make them neat in the back and making the front especially clean

Split into 3 areas:

• Fans
• Case/Utility
• Power

[sudden creek]

Now that I am seeing what the white/black board looks like with the gray AIO and silver ram it has me thinking of getting a white Phanteks NV9 case for a kind of Storm Trooper or Yin/Yang look

[naive pendant]

Getting a C0 code on my board after a recent upgrade. I made sure to get a matching set of ram and made sure my board could handle the amount. It's 32GB of Corsair Vengeance Pro 4× 8GB and the board is a GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-UD7 TH ATX. All sticks are identical except for the very last number which i think is the serial? Anyways. I will attach a picture of them. I would appreciate any assistance. I've heard it could be a dead ram channel or the sticks have different dies. I've tried all the sticks mixed up and they all work together and boot just fine but as soon as I fill all 4 slots the C0 pops up on my debug LED.

[grizzled bloom]

Corsair DDR4 strikes again

Or wait

DDR3

Hmm

[grizzled bloom]

They're all the same version number so they should all be the same die. It's a kit made for 4 channels so no problems with mixing.
Try one stick in one slot at a time, until all slots are tested.

[naive pendant]

Should all slots work by themselves?

Because lemme tell ya... 3 and 1 won't do anything

Is it actually a dead ram channel and there's nothing I can do or?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes they should work individually

[naive pendant]

Yikes

1 and 3 do not function

[grizzled bloom]

Looks like dead channel

[naive pendant]

So I cannot fix this myself

[grizzled bloom]

Possibly you could

[naive pendant]

Do you know what is wrong?

[grizzled bloom]

First thing is to remount the cooler. Uneven pressure can cause improper pin contact in the socket.

That happened a lot with LGA1700

[naive pendant]

This is LGA 1150

It could still be the case?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes I know. It happens on all Intel sockets, plus AMD AM5.

It's just 1700 was more badly affected because it's a bigger CPU

If this still doesn't work the next thing is to inspect the pins in the socket. A slight bend in a single pin can cause a feature to not work.

If the socket looks good, then we can call it a dead channel for sure.

[naive pendant]

As far as the pins go

They look identical to the other channel

No damage or bent pins as far as my eyes can see

And as for the cooler

I removed it entirely including the mount and tried again with it off and I still got nothing

Im gonna put my cooler back on and try again because i mean why not. No harm done

As i suspected

It still does not function

My Xbox has never did me this dirty

Thank you guys for your help

[grizzled bloom]

I meant CPU pins

Sorry should have been specific

[naive pendant]

No it's okay

One of them looks odd I won't lie

[grizzled bloom]

Get a pic, I'll compare to the pin out diagram and see if it's related

[naive pendant]

Now the question is do I want to try bending it back myself risk damaging it further or do I just want to continue on with only my memory Channel A working

I will get a pic for you in a moment

Oh well actually I think there may be quite a few areas of concern

I did get this board on eBay

So that's not out of character for eBay

I feel like these are pretty bad

But I also know nothing about this stuff

It came like this and it worked so I didn't think anything of it

[grizzled bloom]

Is this a hair in the socket or a smudge on the lens

[naive pendant]

In all honesty it might be a hair because I literally did not even see that before

[grizzled bloom]

There's another one bottom left too

Or, lower middle left

[naive pendant]

Lord have mercy

[grizzled bloom]

Stuff like that can be hard to spot with the naked eye

I count 6 possible bad pins, including 3 that are either missing or bent completely back

[naive pendant]

Do i try to bend these back myself

[grizzled bloom]

I'm checking the pin layout to see if any are important

Oddly enough I can't find the LGA1150 pinout

1151 sure but it's physically different

Z97 is 1150

Oh even worse, I found it but it's in the form of battleship style coordinates on a chart 💀

[naive pendant]

Oh hell nah😭

That one is just... mangled

But i managed to get the others in some sort of place

Imma test

Looking everywhere for my thermal paste

But on the plus side that mangled pin is the only one extremely out of place now

I managed to get the others in place

Okay my pc booted with 2 sticks. Time to try all 4

I wanted to make sure it at least booted normally because i will cry if I lose it completely lol

DUDE NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY

HAHAHAHHAHAA

[burnt spear]

Fal'cie W

[naive pendant]

I love you so much Fal'Cie

Once again you have saved my skin

Im actually so giddy

Thank you so so so much

This is so exciting

I cant believe I bent them back myself without messing it up more

I have not stopped smiling LMAO

[grizzled bloom]

I hate this it's the worst possible way to format this who thought this was a good idea
Pins:
AP37 (top right) = SADQ22 (system agent power, important)
AK10 = VSS
AK9 = VSS
AJ9 = VDDQ
AJ8 = VSS
Any one of those touching a nearby pin can cause a short circuit
SA and VDDQ are important for memory so those could be the cause of the channel issue, VDDQ in particular. It's one of the mangled ones unfortunately.

Glad you got it working, must have been a shorted pin

[naive pendant]

Well VDDQ can eat my shorts

Youre the best dude

Youre my favorite ever

[grizzled bloom]

AJ9 was one of the ones you successfully fixed so you're good there

VSS is core power, there's plenty of spare ones as long as it doesn't short

[naive pendant]

I'm still in shock that I fixed it

All thanks to you of course

[grizzled bloom]

I'm shocked you attempted it lol

Most people wouldn't, let alone be successful

[burnt spear]

Whatd you use to bend them back?

Tweezers?

[naive pendant]

My very sharp tweezers

[burnt spear]

If i tried that all I'd do is make more bent pins lmao

[naive pendant]

The trick that I used is setting my phone's video to full quality and turning on the flash and then zooming in all the way

[burnt spear]

Thats smart

[naive pendant]

It felt like surgery

[grizzled bloom]

Same way I fixed my X79 lol

gg

[naive pendant]

You're so smart Fal'Cie

Im so glad I'm in this server

Cpu base temp at 28C° is decent yes?

Making sure I have my paste on right

[grizzled bloom]

That's fine yeah

[naive pendant]

Okay good

Thank you once again

Youre my hero fr

[grizzled bloom]

Happy to help

Page 112-125 if you want to see the insanity that is this pinout

[naive pendant]

You're insanely smart for figuring that out

[naive pendant]

You're smart too. Told me I had a dead ram channel and you were spot on

[burnt spear]

Lol ty

[prisma hill]

Anyone have experience with Lian Li warranty?

Theres a Lian Li Lancool II Mesh on marketplace that has a missing side panel bc it shattered, guy seems to just want to get rid of it so hes selling it for cheap

I was wondering is that something covered by warranty

I cant find anything on their website that talks about anything warranty, it just says make a ticket

[hollow thorn]

Lian li will most likely make you pay for the panel, small chance they just make you pay for shipping.

[prisma hill]

Makes sense

[wintry girder]

How good is the snapdragon x plus and what would be its intel/amd equivalent?

[hollow thorn]

They're equivalent to current gen laptop chips from AMD and Intel rn, minus hyper threading

Like x1p-46-100 is 8c/8t

Single core performances matches core ultra and whatever AMD calls the AI chips

[wind karma]

I'd almost compare them to apple silicon chips instead because of their efficiency

[hollow thorn]

Max tdp hits pretty high still and it's on the same 4nm node as current gen AMD laptop so I wouldn't call it much of an advantage there

Rather max pl hits pretty high despite relatively low tdp

[wintry girder]

ive heard arm processors can have some issues with certain apps

not optimized for them

[vagrant mist]

Yep

That's still a thing

Theres a reason all media talk around it has died down so fast

If you're just using it for like, office work stuff it's totally fine

[plain vortex]

Finally getting that 5700x3d from Ali today lol

Is CPU Z enough to check if it's legit?

[sudden creek]

yes.

[sudden creek]

bios is the best way though.

[plain vortex]

Alright, if it's not legit what would it say

Just a different CPU name?

[sudden creek]

correct.

or unrecognized.

[plain vortex]

Alright thanks! Let's see what pops up when it gets here lol

[plain vortex]

Just got here

All pins look fine

A single pea sized thermal paste dot should be enough right?

[plain vortex]

All looking good here right?

Bit I think my ram got reset lol

Yeah it was that docp turned itself off

[sudden creek]

you got what you ordered.

[plain vortex]

Damn!! what a huge difference in cyberpunk!

[plain vortex]

Yes! working fine so far, but it's running a bit warm though

[sudden creek]

Your first X3D chip?

[plain vortex]

yeah

just booted up cyberpunk and getting this

[sudden creek]

they are designed to run hot. Any headroom you give it will be used to boost faster resulting in it hitting the thermal limit unless you have a very beefy cooling solution.

[plain vortex]

ooh okay I understand

[sudden creek]

So long as it's not staying above 90c your perfectly safe @plain vortex

[plain vortex]

That's good to know, got worried for a bit haha

I'm using this aio https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VDWBD3/corsair-icue-h100i-elite-capellix-75-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-cw-9060046-ww

[sudden creek]

Glad I could help.

Decent overall, sufficient for the 5700x3D.

[plain vortex]

What a huge difference this made, I knew it was better but not this much

[sudden creek]

Glad your enjoying it.

But yeah, expect it to run a bit toasty xD.

[plain vortex]

That's good.

It almost doubled my fps on max settings cyberpunk lol

[sudden creek]

My 7950x3D hits around 65c when playing Ark Ascended and that's with every thing at full blast on my LT720 (360mm AIO) and using PTM7950 which is as good as it gets before using Liquid Metal.

[plain vortex]

everything is cranked except RT

[plain vortex]

Damn lol

also is it normal to stay at 2% utilization?

[sudden creek]

What gpu?

[plain vortex]

9070xt

rebar is on

[sudden creek]

oh I should've looked at your name

It seems a bit low but I think that's mostly due to your specific scene

[plain vortex]

Ah okay so it should go up to what? 15-30% in games like this?

[sudden creek]

somewhere around there yeah

try something like Modded Minecraft or Fortnite, you should see a lot more usage.

[plain vortex]

Ahh okay, I hope to see some improvements on Fotnite too

my 5600x stuttered a lot running it

[sudden creek]

you should experience less stuttering

also use native if it still stutters a lot

DLSS can cause stuttering in fortnite in recent updates more so then previous ones

[plain vortex]

FSR too?

[sudden creek]

FSR in my experience is hit or miss

sometimes it's fantastic, other times it's horrible

[plain vortex]

FSR 3 on the 5600x performed worse than FSR2.1 on cyberpunk lol

[wind karma]

Likely has a higher performance impact in exchange for higher image quality

[errant arrow]

Hey all! First post here in years, but planning to do a new build and looking for MOBO feedback / suggestion. I run a print shop business, and looking at the Asus ProArt Z890. I was just curious if there’s anything else I should also consider. Not looking to OC, no gaming, just want to build a solid rig that’s going to last a while. Thoughts?

FWIW, current build has been running for years… pretty old 4-core i7 build, 32G RAM, that is finally starting to show some signs that it’s wearing down and doesn’t support W11 anyway.

[hollow thorn]

What feature draws you to the proart board, thunderbolt? 10gbe? It's a very expensive board that doesn't add much for you unless you need specific features from it.

[errant arrow]

Honestly nothing specific but I did see that it seems to have some interesting color management features with Pantone… but not a deal breaker without them. Cost wise, sure, don’t want to spend more than needed but it’s also a business expense so not afraid to spend $ either.

[hollow thorn]

Color management from the motherboard...? Iirc the proart color calibration software only applies to their proart displays

[hollow thorn]

It's more like proart is $500 for the same performance and most of the same features as a $200 board, plus some niche features, if you don't need the niche features, it's not really worth spending that much more even if it's a tax write-off

[errant arrow]

The ProArt Creator Hub info is listed / advertised on the Z890 mobo page. I’ll look into that more. WRT say a $200 board, any particular series you’d recommend looking into? And would you lean towards other manufacturers? I’ve typically stayed with the Asus, Gigabyte, MSI options on mobos.

[hollow thorn]

No bias towards or against any manufacturer rn, all of the z890 boards are good enough vrm wise, check around for which one fits your needs the best io wise, big difference is generally number of type c ports on rear io

[hollow thorn]

By the way, do you have a CPU already? Arrow lake has been pretty disappointing, and if you're waiting for Intel's node bump to come in, there's a chance that'll end up being on a different socket

[errant arrow]

Copy that. Fortunately pretty easy going there… mostly run 2-3 internal drives and have a NAS. Most everything I use is networked so not a ton of IO needs other than a couple of USB ports.

I was looking at the 265K but haven’t bought anything yet. Just trying to build a list at this point.

[hollow thorn]

What will you be doing with it, which specific application?

[errant arrow]

Lots of Photoshop and Illustrator. Some low CPU RIP software (ie Roland VersaWorks) or similar, and lots of browser tabs 🤣

Occasional use Davinci Resolve for video editing

[hollow thorn]

Current gen AMD and Intel trades blows in productivity dependant on the specific software, 9700x pulls ahead in Photoshop, 265k pulls ahead in davinci resolve

Pulled from Puget's 9800x3d review since that's their most recent review iirc

[errant arrow]

Thanks for the info!

[placid vapor]

W delayed x870e apex yay

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah everything is getting delayed because customs has to figure out what to charge for every shipment now

[sudden creek]

Does anyone here have experience hosting Ark Survival Evolved/Ascended servers?

I am debating buying a refurbished 7950x3D or 7950X from Newegg ($11 difference). I know that for Modded MC servers the additional L3 is beneficial but I don't know if that applies to Ark servers.

[warm dune]

I’ve got a build that’s specifically gonna be for 4k gaming and nothing else really and the only part I’m unsure about is the ram. Is a 64gb kit of ddr5 6000 cl40 going to be a significant bottleneck? Specifically the latency is what’s making me worry.

[wind karma]

I believe you want to stick to cl30-32

[warm dune]

Dang. Probably gonna have to return it then. Thanks for letting me know

[wind karma]

Oh you already have it

It might be worth trying to tune the timings? Not really sure though, I'd probably have you refer to someone who knows more abt ram

[warm dune]

Returning it is no problem. I’m going to the store to pick up the next parts anyways and can just swap it for what I need.

[sudden creek]

Look for 6400cl32 or 6400cl30 ideally speaking.

[warm dune]

Is my understanding of ddr5 right in that if you have four sticks on am5 you’re limited to 3600mhz???

[hollow thorn]

of ddr5...?

[warm dune]

Yeah

[hollow thorn]

oh 7200mt/s? depends on the imc, most won't be able to do over 6000 on 4 sticks

[warm dune]

Ah alr

[sudden creek]

6000 is wishful thinking still isn't it?

[hollow thorn]

6000 has a high success rate with 4x16 afaik

[sudden creek]

ohhhh x16

[hollow thorn]

4x32 you're most likely stuck with 5600

[sudden creek]

I was assuming 32gb sticks

[hollow thorn]

50/50 if you can get it to do 6000

[sudden creek]

What speed do you think a 7950x or 7950x3D can do with 128 or 192gb of ram?

I am trying to plan out a server machine to run a Ark Ascended cluster and probably some minecraft servers

@hollow thorn @grizzled bloom @dull flint can someone enlighten me on this 256GB capacity claim?

[hollow thorn]

64gb sticks exist

[hollow thorn]

50/50 if it'll do 6000

5600 for sure

[sudden creek]

I am guessing those are hell to run on the imc...

[hollow thorn]

Ye

[sudden creek]

I want to be able to run 8 ark servers and at least 1 modded mc server.

each needs around 16-20gb of ram

16 is doable but not ideal

[sudden creek]

I can only find 64GB that are ECC supported ram, can ECC sticks be used on consumer boards like a X670E?

[hollow thorn]

Ye, you just don't get ecc functionality

[sudden creek]

gotcha

[sudden creek]

What are my odds of 2 separate 2x48GB kits working?
https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-CL40-40-40-83-Desktop-Computer/dp/B0D2888BLV/ref=sr_1_20?

Realistically speaking.

[hollow thorn]

There aren't that many dies on ddr5 rn so I'd say pretty high lol

[sudden creek]

Because 192GB single kits start at like a obnoxiously high $500

vs for about $320 I can get 2 of those kits

[sudden creek]

gotcha ty

[mild jackal]

6k should be easy

[sudden creek]

Thoughts on this for a game server? the plan would be to upgrade it to 192GB of ram over time and to run around 8 Ark Ascended servers and 1-2 modded mc servers. I will change the cpu to a 7950x3D depending on which comes back in stock in newegg refresh ($11) difference.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ApexGenesis/saved/9wmhK8

[plain vortex]

I'm getting tempted to undervolt the 5700x3d lol

Maybe just a mild -10 all around

[cursive epoch]

pbo -10

you can do more tho

[sudden creek]

Realistically you could probably do -20. If your willing to do per core I wouldn't be surprised if some did mid 30s.

[plain vortex]

I've seen a lot of people do -30 on all cores

[plain vortex]

Should I do it on my ROG b550-f BIOS or on the PBO2 Tuner

[sudden creek]

5700x3D if I recall correctly is made from leftover 5800x3D chips basically the ones that didn't pass the criteria so -20 would be realistic in my opinion.

[plain vortex]

Correct

I should be good to just do -20 on all cores then?

[sudden creek]

Probably. Best way to know is set it and run some tests and a few games

[cursive epoch]

Yeah, the best way is to apply it in the bios

[sudden creek]

I forgot it can be applied through Windows as well. Was it AMD Adrenaline or what was it that allowed for that?

Ryzen Master, dang was I off.

[cursive epoch]

Ryzen master is a terrible piece of software

[sudden creek]

Long story short, @plain vortex if you decide to undervolt, do it in BIOS, not Ryzen Master. Take Foxy's advise.

[sudden creek]

Did Ryzen Master ever do anything decently? I can't recall a single good thing about it.

[cursive epoch]

If you apply unstable value and have it launch at boot

It will keep crashing your pc

[sudden creek]

Does a CMOS Clear fix that?

[cursive epoch]

No

If you mess up that badly you gotta reinstall windows lol

[sudden creek]

Yikes.

[plain vortex]

Damn don't want that lmao

[plain vortex]

Alright thanks when I go boot up I'll try setting that up in BIOS

[plain vortex]

I'm in the BIOS now, where do I go to change the voltage?

It's a B550-F Rog Strix

[cursive epoch]

it should be cpu settings

actually

@plain vortex You wanna get into advanced mode>ai tweaker>precision boost overdrive

Then enable CO, or curve optimizer

Actually wait, that's one of the menus you wanna enable

There's another one that actually lets you mess with CO

[plain vortex]

All cores on core optimizer?

[cursive epoch]

Yes

That's what you want

You can do per core but that's if you're up to the task of testing each core individually

[plain vortex]

Okay, now negative and -0.0020?

Or -0.020?

[cursive epoch]

-20

If it's unstable scale it back to -15

[cursive epoch]

Enter 20 in the box

[plain vortex]

Like this then?

[cursive epoch]

Yup

[plain vortex]

Now I can just boot up right?

[cursive epoch]

Save and boot, mhm

[plain vortex]

To revert to stock I should just press auto again right?

[cursive epoch]

Yeah

[plain vortex]

Okay I'm booting up now

To test can I just open cyberpunk or any game and see if it crashes?

[cursive epoch]

I'd suggest running cinebench R25