cpus-mobo-and-memory

[dull flint]

That would work

Sucks I know but a fault is a fault

If you're lucky it's easily replaceable

Some cases have easily replaced cable header mounts

[rapid thunder]

Except that the USB 3.0 header is plugged in already.

And I've learned that those do not like coming out.

[dull flint]

They can be annoying yeah

Gentle hands make easy work of it tho

[rapid thunder]

Last time I did it, the blue plastic came off the cable and stuck in the motherboard.

(sigh).

I will probably break out the other case to test with later. For now I need some dinner.

[dull flint]

I'd love to suggest an easier alternative

Sorry man

[meager elbow]

average usb 3.0 internal header experience

(tbf it's not actually that common, but it also happens often enough for me to believe it's not user error)

(or at least not completely due to user error)

[dull flint]

[rapid thunder]

Alright, I'll work on the USB-C port later.

I just adjusted the memory expo profile in BIOS to change the mem speed from 5200 mt/s to the rated 6400 mt/s.

Now it takes a really long time to boot into the grub menu. Any idea what's causing that and if it will go away?

[dull flint]

It should go away

If it doesn't try a newer bios, if not it could have stability issues

No guarantee of this

But my experience tells me such

[rapid thunder]

How many boot cycles should it take to get back to its snappy boot time?

I'm running benchmarks now to test stability

[dull flint]

Probably 3 or so?

[rapid thunder]

Does it retrain memory when you switch profiles or something?

[dull flint]

Often a bios update resolves it

[dull flint]

Yes

[rapid thunder]

I didn't realize it would do that over multiple cycles. I thought it was just a one time thing when first booting up or after a CMOS reset

[dull flint]

Every time it has a new profile basically

But it will only do it maybe a couple times after setting it as preferred

[rapid thunder]

I'd prefer to avoid a bios update if possible because I don't have a UPS and I'm a little paranoid about something going wrong and bricking the board.

[dull flint]

And then MCR should remember the numbers

[rapid thunder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ThelVadam4321/saved/YDsWrH

This is the build

[dull flint]

It's highly recommended for am5

Ah

[rapid thunder]

It's a pretty new board I think

[dull flint]

Ok this build is not too bad

[rapid thunder]

So I'm not sure a BIOS update is available let alone necessary

[dull flint]

But if it hasn't gone away after a couple boots

Take out the two sticks in A1 B1

It should get better

4 sticks of ddr5 can really complicate things

Even if it's 8gb each

[rapid thunder]

Oh

Forgot to update that.

It's got a 2x24 kit in it now

[dull flint]

Just 2x24?

[rapid thunder]

Yep. 48GB total

[dull flint]

Ah then yeah I retract that

I would consider a bios update if it doesn't go away

It can make a world of a difference

If it messes up the update you can warranty it tbh

[rapid thunder]

Other users mentioned that quad channel (or whatever is the correct terminology with AM5) would kill mem speed unless I hit the lottery and manually tuned it

[dull flint]

A failed bios update to the point of board death is rare in this day and age

[dull flint]

You had good advice

[rapid thunder]

Do they usually have a back up BIOS that can't be flashed over in case your flash is unsuccessful?

This board does have a button on the back.

Not sure what it's for.

[dull flint]

This is in fact a thing on some boards

And yes that button is just for that sort of thing

It's a bios update button

If you want to not do it via bios

Annoying to get to work but very very helpful to save a board

[rapid thunder]

Alright, I ran two Unigine benchmarks, and both looked pretty good. I did Superposition first at native resolution with the admittedly scant graphical settings maxed out.

The second was Heaven with everything maxed out.

The latter, being older had higher overall FPS.

Can I safely assume memory is stable if it's successfully completed stuff like this?

[dull flint]

To a small degree yeah

One sec

Use this test if you wanna be really sure

[rapid thunder]

I'm a little apprehensive about the sources of those files.

At least as linked.

[dull flint]

I suppose that's a fair assumption

[rapid thunder]

Any alternatives?

[dull flint]

The best tests all come from sources like that

Uh

Would you pay for occt?

[rapid thunder]

What's occt?

[dull flint]

A stability test suite

[rapid thunder]

How much is it?

[dull flint]

They'll do all the things

I think it's like 10 a year?

It's not crazy expensive

[rapid thunder]

Why is it always a subscription now?

I remember when you bought MS Word and you just had MS Word.

[dull flint]

I mean, tm5 is there above if you don't wanna pay lol

I still have an ms word license

99 years

💀

I know what you mean

Trying to think of any others

I mean memtestpro is good but not from an official link if you want to avoid paying

Karhu isn't a full suite

Benchmate only does benching iirc

Not bad but not very good coverage

Mt86 is horrible

Windows built in tester is as bad

Yeah I think that's just about all the options

Occt would be your best bet if you're not keen on testmem5

[rapid thunder]

Currently BIOS time is about ~70 seconds up from ~12. Running a few more cycles to see if it clears up.

I'm going to be annoyed if it persists.

[dull flint]

You have the ram in slots 2 and 4 ye?

Just wanna check

[rapid thunder]

Yep

Also I started getting this on shut down even before the mem profile tweak and I don’t know what it’s about

[dull flint]

Whoa

Open command prompt as administrator

Type

sfc /scannow

No errors good, errors bad

Errors unstable as heck

[rapid thunder]

I think it was happening before the speed tweak, but I'm not sure

Scan started

[dull flint]

Ok interesting

[rapid thunder]

Looks good.

[dull flint]

Alright pick your test poison

It may have just been nothing

[rapid thunder]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B650-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI/support

[dull flint]

Test will reveal if unstable

[rapid thunder]

Looks like there are some available updates too

Might have to bite that bullet

[dull flint]

A bios update I would recommend honestly yeah

[rapid thunder]

Test before or after?

[dull flint]

Sometimes you can start on a pretty gnarly bios

After

[rapid thunder]

Update first, test after.

[dull flint]

New bios might be way better

Ye

[rapid thunder]

Alright. That'll be a project for future me. It's nearly 11:00 PM for me.

Thanks for your help. I'll follow up as necessary.

[dull flint]

It's ok

Take your time with it man

PC's are hard

There's no rush to finish everything

Just learn as you go

Falling down is honestly part of the process

Lol

[rapid thunder]

I thought I was pretty decently knowledgeable given my previous builds, but between this new AM5 build and learning Linux to dual boot, I've been learning a lot over the past couple months.

Much of which is thanks to other users in this discord. You guys make this one of the best tech information resources I've ever used.

[dull flint]

I've been at this for years and I learn at least one new thing a day 😂

[rapid thunder]

Glad I'm not alone.

I'm going to go to sleep now. Will follow up if and as necessary. Have a good one.

[dull flint]

No worries

[surreal belfry]

Yo chat
I have this asus vivobook with 4+4 ram one soldered one removable,i got a ram from marketplace and changed it to 4+8 but my laptop became unstable, any fix?

[dull flint]

Does it get better if you put the ram 4 ram stick back

If it does then the ram stick you got to put in it is the issue

And laptops should just work if you add ram

Unless the stock speed IS the issue

[surreal belfry]

Yeah works better

[dull flint]

So either the stick you got is unstable or the laptop doesn't like the stick at all

Either way there's not really a proper fix for that since laptops use something called JEDEC

Which is basically stock speed and set to "just work"

So it not doing that implies the issue is the stick and you need to use something else/warranty the stick

[surreal belfry]

So if i get the exact same model but in 8gb would that work fine?

[dull flint]

The ram or the laptop

You could try a different ram stick

The idea is you should run the same type of ram and not mix

In laptops this isn't super necessary but it still plays a role

So likely what's happening is the laptop just don't like the 8gb stick you tried

For reason it's broken or just not liking it

i.e bad mix

[surreal belfry]

Get-WmiObject -Class Win32_PhysicalMemory | Select-Object Manufacturer, PartNumber, Speed, Capacity
I used this code and it says ram speed 3200
But in task manager its 2400
How to check true speed?

[dull flint]

The ram will default to one or the other speed

So if the task manager says 2400 it's 2400

It used to glitch but not that way from memory so that sounds correct

[surreal belfry]

Yk i hate this laptop shi t show
Imma get my pc soon
😭🙏🏿

[dull flint]

Let's not filter dodge lol

[rapid thunder]

Should I just go for the latest available BIOS update for the MOBO?

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B650-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI/support

[dull flint]

Ye

Latest non beta

[rapid thunder]

Alright, here goes nothing

Okay, we're updated.

Before

After

Looks like it reset ram speed too

I might do a CMOS clear to reset everything before trouble shooting more

Alright so my BIOS time before all this was about 12 seconds. Then with the mem speed change on the old BIOS it moved up to 70 seconds.

This last boot it was about 27 seconds.

[rapid thunder]

At least I didn't get this error again when shutting down from Windows

[dull flint]

Hopefully now booting is a bit better

[rapid thunder]

I'm not going to be satified until I get back down to that 12 second boot time. At least at the 5200 speed.

Aaaand now it defaulted to booting to Windows instead of Grub.

(sigh)

One step forward, two steps back

Okay, so my machine is dual boot configured with Windows and Linux Mint on their own m.2 NVMe drives.

Before this last CMOS reset, I was happily booting into the Grub boot manager on start up which let me pick which OS to boot into.

Now it is defaulting to Windows. When I went into the BIOS boot menu by pressing F11 I selected the Linux device and it booted into the Grub manager as was normal before.

I think if I can set the Linux drive to be the default in the boot order that it will resolve that problem. Unfortunately, in BIOS when I go to look for my devices in the boot order, the only hard disk listed is the Windows one and I can't see any way to get it to switch to the Linux one.

Any ideas?

Wait...

Apparently the option to switch between the two disks was under UEFI Hard DIsk Drive BBS Priorities.

I don't know what BBS means, but let's see if this worked.

[dull flint]

Hey man sorry

I'm quite busy today

You can choose default boot options in bios under the F7 (sometimes F2 or F6) advanced section

There's a whole menu called "boot"

You can choose grub as the first priority there, with fail safe to dual boot the other two OS startups

Reminds me of when I was messing around with ventoy, this is definitely the fix for it tho

[rapid thunder]

No need to apologize my friend. Setting the linux disk as primary in the BBS priorities menu did the trick.

I just didn't realize it was nested under that particular line.

No clue what BBS means in this context.

Also the Windows boot time is now back to about 11 seconds, while Linux seems to be around 16.

Much better than 70, though I may see if I can shave Linux down some later.

Currently our mem clock is 5200 mt/s.

Not sure if I want to try 6400 tonight.

[dull flint]

Does it seem to be booting faster?

MCR should be on even at jedec so if it is that's good news

Then I'll suggest the next step forward and you should be up to speed

[rapid thunder]

For clarity, in my particular configuration it only showed the Windows and "ubuntu" disks. Yes, I know Mint is a Ubuntu derivative. I just think it's funny.

Grub wasn't listed, but selecting the Linux disk does boot me automatically into it because of my Grub settings that I edited a while back to set up the dual boot.

[dull flint]

Ah ok nice

So it does get you there

[rapid thunder]

Windows is down to 11 seconds from a high of 70.

[dull flint]

So it's quicker ye?

[rapid thunder]

Very much so.

[dull flint]

Excellent

Ok note my next steps

Tonight, try 6400 and your xmp/EXPO

However

[rapid thunder]

I didn't check Mint's boot times before the original change, but it was also hitting 70 seconds or so before and is now about 16.

[dull flint]

If it's slow again

Go to the advanced section of bios

Set the "dram frequency" speed

Under your xmp/expo

From 6400 to 6000

You might think "Oh but then it's a lot slower"

But no

Some AMD chips can't do 6400

Synced anyway, and unsynced it's slow af

[rapid thunder]

My CPU is a Ryzen 7 7700 for reference

[dull flint]

Ye I remembered it no worries

Some boards force synced for certain speeds

[rapid thunder]

Interestingly enough, in BIOS it shows base clock at 3.8 while the box advertises a base clock of 3.6.

[dull flint]

So if it does seem a lot slower, set it to 6000 and it should be quicker

[rapid thunder]

So could be a MOBO bottleneck?

[dull flint]

It's an infinity fabric stability issue

CPU related

Imc bandwidth

[rapid thunder]

Ah. Hardware limitation or software patchable?

[dull flint]

These boards are good for up to 8000, some higher but it's a silicon limit for the ryzen

9000 has exactly the same behaviour

You can definitely go higher but it'll be desynced

So recap, try 6400, if slow again, go 6000, it should go back to being fast

6000 when stable is much much faster than 6400 not stable

[rapid thunder]

Oh, and while I have not executed any more tests beyond the benchmarks from yesterday, I did play Space Marine 2 with a friend for a couple hours with basically the graphics settings maxed out and didn't have any issues. Only dipped below 60 FPS maybe once and the rest of the time was running between 80 and 90 or even 100+ in less chaotic scenes.

[dull flint]

Nice

[rapid thunder]

So despite the long boot time, it didn't seem to have an issue with the game

[dull flint]

Yeah it should run pretty well

[rapid thunder]

My point being that long boot time aside, performance once booted seemed great.

[dull flint]

Afterwards do the sfc /scannow command in command prompt just to check it finds no issues

[rapid thunder]

Alright, we'll try 6400 next via EXPO

[dull flint]

Ye

[dull flint]

Ye all good

I think after this, you should be set

[rapid thunder]

You said that that it may take a few boot cycles to fully train the memory again after a profile change correct?

So wait a few cycles to see?

[dull flint]

Yes it can do

Try maybe 3 times

If not by then dial back to 6000

[rapid thunder]

Alright, here it goes.

[dull flint]

First one will be slow

Always

[rapid thunder]

For your reference, here’s our starting config. Please note that apparently one of the EXPO profiles is a 6000 one

[dull flint]

Don't choose that 2nd one

Good of them to have it but it's quite slow

Well, in expo terms

[rapid thunder]

Better to set the speed manually with the same timings as profile one?

[dull flint]

We will just override the frequency if we need to yes

[rapid thunder]

Okay, first BIOS time in Windows this time was 35.2 seconds.

We'll give it a few cycles and see if it goes down, but it not being 70 is already encouraging to me.

[dull flint]

Such is the amd way

Some bios versions are just ass with certain chips

Lmao

But then others are solid

[rapid thunder]

I still like the price to performance ratio team red offers. For now, I'm willing to put up with it.

[dull flint]

Now that you're up to date, I would only update if necessary for a major security issue

[rapid thunder]

BIOS wise?

[dull flint]

Yes

The risk of AGESA being wonky on AMD ryzen is ever present lmao

[rapid thunder]

AGESA?

[dull flint]

So stick with what works well unless you HAVE to

Yeah agesa

It's the code platform they use for AM4/AM5

I think even AM3?

It retires in a couple years iirc

AMD is moving to open source

[rapid thunder]

Uh... does that mean AM5 is only going to be supported for a couple more years or will they offer a new software update?

[dull flint]

"Retires" they'll still update existing stuff

[rapid thunder]

I can get behind that

[dull flint]

We were promised up to 2027 with new hardware

So there's an implied new gen on AM5 coming

[rapid thunder]

Okay, second boot shows 11.6 second BIOS time in Windows task manager and the performance tab does show 6400 MT/s

Will double check BIOS to be sure and run a few more cycles than see how it looks on the Mint side.

But I think we're just about done with this particular project segment

Damn. Windows 11 commits over 8GB for itself.

No wonder it runs like dirt on "minimum" specs.

And that explorer app fault still isn't coming back.

Will run the scan on the next boot

[dull flint]

Nice

Lmk

[rapid thunder]

Just "sfc /scannow" right?

[dull flint]

Ye

[rapid thunder]

I'm playing "Children of the Omnissiah" on a loop. I usually do when I'm working on computers.

Don't know if it helps, but it makes me feel cooler.

[dull flint]

Lol

[rapid thunder]

Feeling good

[dull flint]

Sweet

I think we're sorted

[rapid thunder]

What exactly does sfc /scannow test?

Is it specifically a mem test?

[dull flint]

It's a great quick check for memory corruption

So by running it every couple times I was testing for running into ram problems, the crashed explorer looked sus but there's no immediate reveal of problem

So for now it seems ok

However if you note crashing or major issues come back and ask cos those stability tests will be a good check

Like occt?

[rapid thunder]

I'll probably run your recommended mem tests at a later date.

[dull flint]

Those kinds of tests, if you get even 1 error, it's basically a serious fault

[rapid thunder]

Just not tonight.

[dull flint]

That's ok

It's booting quick

That's already a sign it's stable

So not too worried

Good luck with the pc man

Glad to have helped

[rapid thunder]

I'm grateful for everything you've shared.

[dull flint]

All good all good

Every time I do this I learn something new lol

Creative exercise

[rapid thunder]

Alright. Linux seems to still be about 16 seconds and change (checked via "systemd-analyze" in terminal) . I don't know what it was like before this entire episode.

Windows is now consistently around 11 seconds which is even better than before.

I haven't stopwatch timed either, but for now it feels very fast and snappy and with Linux I might be able to tune down the time to shave off about 5 seconds. We'll see.

[dull flint]

Sounds perfectly resolved now

Some bios versions might be a little snappier, but then something else about it like less memory stability, cpu stability, maybe a strange setting

[rapid thunder]

Thanks again. I'm sure we'll speak again at some point.

I'll try to do some testing on that USB-C header, but to be honest with you I might just leave it regardless of whether it's the case or the MOBO that's at fault. I don't use USB-C for very much and the one on the back works perfectly.

[dull flint]

All good

I mean there's a fairly easy test

Just plug that header into the other board

Plug into the psu

Flip it on, does it charge?

If yes the cable works

If no the cable is dead

Tells you if it's the header or not

[rapid thunder]

I don't have another board, I have a case. I was thinking I'd just plug the header from the other case into my current rig's board and see if it recognized anything when plugged in.

[dull flint]

ah

My bad

I remembered second board not second case

Lol

[dull flint]

This is the opposite way and yes

[rapid thunder]

I actually checked my last build's board and it doesn't appear to have USB-C, just 3.0 type A

[dull flint]

That will def work

Yeah usb c is premium lol

Even though boards at $150 have it now

[rapid thunder]

Not that I used 3.0 on the case I/O before since my last case simply didn't have any

[dull flint]

Go back a couple years it was on like $300 ones

Mmm

Anyway yeah that won't be too hard to check

[rapid thunder]

I am still a little attached to Type-A for nostalgia and simply because so much of my stuff uses it, but USB-C is an admittedly awesome standard.

[dull flint]

Good if it works with the other case, means the board header is intact

[dull flint]

Usb 4 I think is the first time it's great

Since usb c and thunderbolt is standard

[rapid thunder]

I'm probably well outside Newegg's return period by this point so I may need to take it up with Phanteks directly. We'll see.

[dull flint]

Also gan charging

The PD spec and TB in usb C is a godsend

Anyway gotta get going. Happy to have helped

Let us know if you have more questions

[rapid thunder]

https://www.newegg.com/black-gamemax-m60-black-micro-atx-tower/p/N82E16811445018?nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASUBID=&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-mRpNnfE.KKXojdMUbXGBiQ

It appears that I was mistaken, and this case does not in fact have USB-C.

I'll need to look into sourcing an adapter to test things, though that approach will probably only confirm or eliminate the board as an issue without confirming or denying anything about the case. At least based on what adapters I've seen available.

For now I'll just close everything up. Since I don't use USB-C much and the rear I/O port functions perfectly, it is a flaw I can live with even if irritating given the amount of money and time I've sunk into this.

[wraith basin]

What’s motherboards would you guys recommend for the 9800

[burnt spear]

B650 eagle ax

[delicate patrol]

Hey Can i get some help with cases pls?

I am trying to measure the back of cases and need to see if that info is industry standard or it differs case to case specifically the pcie brackets on the back

[meager elbow]

as long as they are following ATX spec, they're all the same

though there are 2 types of pcie slots

normal, and low profile

[rapid thunder]

I started getting this fault again today.

Running sfc in the Windows command line shows no integrity violations. I haven’t had any system crashes either.

This particular error occurs on shutdown and only stays on screen for a few seconds before continuing the shut down as normal

[hollow thorn]

seems suspicious, prob do dism and maybe chkdsk and an antivirus scan

[rapid thunder]

Is the dism command "dism /scannow"?

[hollow thorn]

It's dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

[rapid thunder]

Will running the terminal commands while the widows defender scan runs mess with anything?

[hollow thorn]

would not recommend doing that

probably undefined behavior

[rapid thunder]

Looks like everything came back clean

Still got this on shut down. Everything seems to be functioning normally otherwise though.

[rapid thunder]

I'm concerned, but I also don't know what to do or if I should even worry

[golden pike]

is the x870e am5 atx the best mobo for am5 right now? like absolute highest end?

[tender sleet]

Are you going to use USB 4 at all?

@golden pike pinging just in case this gets buried

[golden pike]

no

i dont think so

whats that

is it way more powerful than 3

regardless ill prob just stick with using C for fast

[sudden creek]

i wouldn't worry about it unless you have a use case.

Also a X870E board is useless in most cases unless you have a use for the extra PCIe lanes and such.

[sudden creek]

What CPU are you looking at getting or have?

[golden pike]

bro im so sorry

im here

9950x3d

will be my cpu when that comes out

and i will need new mobo and ram

[tender sleet]

Are you gonna be playing games only?

[sudden creek]

You plan to use this for Video or Music production I assume on top of gaming?

[golden pike]

yes

[sudden creek]

I took a peek at your bio. Hope you didn't mind.

[golden pike]

some turbo genius in this chat that i trust said the new 3d ones are better designed and will be only better, and no longer a trade off from the non 3d counterparts

just might need a slight overclock

[burnt spear]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113791T?Item=N82E16819113791T

[golden pike]

ofc bro! all public info. i run a production company !

[burnt spear]

If you care, $450 7950x3d

Oh nvm

Its oos

There is a $350 7950x tho
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113771T

[sudden creek]

The difference between the 7950x3D and upcoming 9950x3D are rather minor unless you are into overclocking.

[golden pike]

i see

all i care is that its only better than 9950x

[sudden creek]

The main difference being that the X3D side of the CPU on the 9950x3D can actually be cooled properly allowing for much better overclocking capabillities.

other than that it's all minor improvements.

[golden pike]

Also - i ask you about the mobo, bc im out of the loop, and will need a new am5 mobo - and there doesnt seem to be and equivalent of my current one which is a very powerful mobo (crosshair viii extreme)

am4 ofc

And well

ive been trying to get an astral, and i just got this deal IRL today that i can buy some dude's bundle

[burnt spear]

Overspending on a mobo doesnt give you much gains

No performance difference

[sudden creek]

Unless you plan to spend 2-3 weeks overclocking that chip properly, I suggest you just get the 7950x3D at $450.

[burnt spear]

It went oos

Could come back tho

Its the third time I've seen it pop up

[sudden creek]

came back twice since I checked

so I am sure it will be back soon enough

[golden pike]

i specifically love this chrosshair bc of the dimm slot for m.2s

[sudden creek]

Please elaborate more.

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4bFmP6/asrock-phantom-gaming-x870e-nova-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-x870e-nova-wifi

Most I'd bother spending, and that's twice what I normally suggest lol

[golden pike]

my current mobo has a dimm slot that holds 2 extra m.2s without sacrificing bandwidth

[sudden creek]

Performance wise outside of overclocking is not noticable between a B850 and X870E and even then it is minor

[burnt spear]

That should be the case with any mobo as far as nvmes not taking gpu bandwidth

[sudden creek]

Any of the X870E motherboards within $350 are more than capable of what you want and shouldn't have this problem.

[burnt spear]

The x870e nova has 44 pcie lanes with cpu

If that's not enough idk what is lmao

[sudden creek]

Honestly get a Threadripper at that point lmao

Anyways,

Our combined suggestion @golden pike is purchase a 7950x3D for $450 when it's back in stock along with the X870E Nova board.

take it from someone who owns a 7950x3D and wants to get a 9950x3D. the only actual benefit to my knowledge is overclocking.

[distant gulch]

i took a peek at your bio. hope you mind.

[sudden creek]

yargh

lmao.

https://tenor.com/view/linus-tech-tips-reaction-personal-hurt-feelings-hurt-gif-27571451

[distant gulch]

ironically ive seen a lot of races and ethnicities in peoples bios, but the one ive never seen is white LMAO

[golden pike]

are specs out?

[sudden creek]

Hmm I could update mine to this and it'd be true:

• Part White
• Part Black
• Part Yellow

[golden pike]

ty

Hmmm

i am seeing

not enough slots for m.2

[sudden creek]

A few leeked benchmarks and such nothing on white paper from AMD yet. but what we do know is that the 9950x3D is just the 7950x3D with the updated thermal layout and minor improvements seen in Zen5.

[sudden creek]

add-in card.

[distant gulch]

ive just never seen

I like gaming
(random person) ❤️
white

[golden pike]

idek if i can

with a 5090 will that bottom slot even be accessible

😢

[sudden creek]

a riser works

[golden pike]

but also not tryna rob it from bandwidth

[distant gulch]

i could be that person

[sudden creek]

I'd be cautious with the 5090.

[distant gulch]

drop me off in antarctica and i blend right in

natural camouflage

[golden pike]

yes i heard it mightburn my house down

i already melted my 4090

and use it still

gg

[sudden creek]

..... good luck to you mate

[golden pike]

its all good tho we in working order

HAHAH

[distant gulch]

nvidia moment

what happened to 1080 ti value man

[sudden creek]

Anyways most X870E boards should be enough. if you are that worried you should look into add in cards and a riser for it for nvme slots.

[distant gulch]

high end consumer cards costing 500 buckaroos

[golden pike]

using the second pcieslot still takes bandwidth from gpu on these new boards right>

?

[sudden creek]

depends on the board.

that you will need to read up on.

[golden pike]

yes oki oki

[sudden creek]

Most high end X870E boards it should not be a problem.

[golden pike]

really

wow

[burnt spear]

how many do you need??

[golden pike]

5 slots

the mobo i getting has 3

[sudden creek]

I am curious, do you actually use all 5 slots?

[golden pike]

yessir

cinema camera footage

huge

[sudden creek]

4tb drives?

[golden pike]

2

brb boys

[sudden creek]

I suggest making the move to 4TB or 8TB ssds.

[burnt spear]

the x870e nova has 5-6 nvmes

yeah 5 m.2 2280 and 1 m.2 2230

the only motherboards with 6 m.2 2280 slots are non am5

[sudden creek]

@burnt spear I have the perfect suggestion for him ||not being serious|| MSI X870E G0DLIKE

i will admit it does look good tbh

but horribly priced

@burnt spear this gives me a headache... cost aside if you spend that much on a board get some freaking custom cables and MANAGE THEM

[burnt spear]

Ew

[sudden creek]

I wish Kingpin boards were still being made

those looked cool and actually had benefits for overclocking

@burnt spear are you aware of any manufacturs that make boards like those?

for AM5.

[burnt spear]

uhh

probably the nova honestly

[sudden creek]

wondering because I am getting sick and tired of my MSI board.

While I found a bandaid my board still gets stuck in training if I leave my pc powered off for to long.

[distant gulch]

i have an a620i, lets swapsies fr fr

[wind karma]

Wasn't there some overclocking record set on a midrange ASRock b650 hdv/m.2 board?

[sudden creek]

You want to spend 4-5 hours power cycling your pc to get it to boot on the chance that it doesn't get stuck in Training?

[distant gulch]

lets not swapsies fr fr

[sudden creek]

it works beautifully when it does

lmao

[wind karma]

I have a feeling that's more related to you tweaking your cpu and memory so much

[sudden creek]

happens at stock

[wind karma]

RMA?

[sudden creek]

I need my pc to work so that isn't a option

[distant gulch]

i wish i could do the bios swap to 650 like felix said i could do on this board lol, after i bought the board he basically did a "i know a guy who knows a guy" and the guy who could teach me how to do it just, has never gotten back to him or me lmfao

im rocking the asrock itx

[sudden creek]

It happened around the time I moved. I think it has to do with the new bios version if I had to guess.

[wind karma]

Buy another mobo from Amazon, RMA Msi board, return amazon mobo when msi gets you a new one?

[sudden creek]

I plan to do a CPU upgrade at some point so if I did this, I'd RMA the board and keep the new one as my main

I want to reuse my 7950x3D as a server once I am settled somewhere.

[distant gulch]

@dull flint has that guy ever gotten back to you lmao

[sudden creek]

honestly a tempting option.

also after this experience I think going forward I will only be getting boards with error codes to simplify debugging in the future..

How many more generations is AM5 supposed to last?

[meager elbow]

up to amd to decide
though probably at least 3 (total), maybe more

[sudden creek]

3 more years from now?

[meager elbow]

am4 supported 4 generations of cpus

[sudden creek]

AMD releases a gneration a year right?

[meager elbow]

actually, was it 4? or was it more... hmm

yeah i think it was 4

[sudden creek]

wondering because if I do decide to get another board I don't wanna spend a lot on it if it's only going to be used for 1 cpu.

[meager elbow]

wait, excavator(+) was also am4? technically 5 generations on am4 then

[sudden creek]

that Nova motherboard is honestly tempting.

6 NVMe slots and good looks.

[meager elbow]

assuming that am5 (and this is a big "assuming" since amd's prior sockets didn't last as long as am4 either) lasts as long as am4 did, am5 may be used till 2028

[sudden creek]

gotcha.

Because the way I value how much I spend on a board goes smth like this

If I am only using it for 1 CPU then I max out at about $200

if I use it for 2-3 cpus then I max out at $350ish

[meager elbow]

am4 has lasted longer than the last 3 sockets amd has used combined

[sudden creek]

really?

is there any known reason for that?

[meager elbow]

probably because their socket was inadequate for what they were doing?
FM1 - k10 (2011)
FM2 - piledriver (2012, 2013)
FM2+ - steamroller (2014, 2015)
FM2+ and AM4 - bulldozer (2015)
AM4 - bulldozer+, zen, zen+, zen 2, zen 3 (2016-2021)
N/A - zen 3+ (was BGA only, 2022)
AM5- zen 4 (2022, 2023), zen 5 (2024, present)

[sudden creek]

gotcha

ugh I am getting a headache from work.

I have been reading about different companies for 7 hours now.

[meager elbow]

lmao

[sudden creek]

whatever monitor I get next

needs to have better text clarity

[meager elbow]

damn rtings hasnt found a monitor with a 10/10 text clarity lmfao

[sudden creek]

How is the text clarity on OLED?

I still have a valid coupon for a QHD WOLED monitor.

$350 for it.

https://www.focuscamera.com/cooler-master-tempest-gz2711-27-inch-oled-240hz-gaming-monitor-with-built-in-dual-speakers-black.html

this one

oh it's oled

I thought it was WOLED.

[meager elbow]

oled's subpixel layout is generally worse for text clarity iirc?

also WOLED is still oled

forget what the w stands for though

white?

[meager elbow]

yeah

it has the regular RGB and also a white led

[sudden creek]

Any downsides to woled?

My current plan is to get some cash flow going again then purchase that monitor if there aren't any negatives about it since I can get it for $350 + $50 for shipping.

[meager elbow]

the apple studio display is somehow ranked number 1 in text clarity 🧐

[sudden creek]

those are like 180 PPI right?

[meager elbow]

wow
that is honestly the most clear text i've seen tested LMFAO

their ratings dont lie ong

[meager elbow]

218 PPI

[sudden creek]

holy

well i suppose it does speak for itself

[meager elbow]

it's a 5k display, very pixel dense

it's 5k at 27" wow

[sudden creek]

Sounds like a nightmare for website designers.

[meager elbow]

lmao

[sudden creek]

speaking from experience on that one lmao

Honestly with how much reading I do, the idea of 4K at 27" is becoming very appealing.

[burnt spear]

Jsyk the cooler master oled is the worst oled

[meager elbow]

in terms of cheaper monitors that are more reasonably priced, this is the m27q (rev2)

[burnt spear]

Its got firmware issues among some others

Theres some oleds on woot atm

[sudden creek]

Any QHD or UHD oleds within $500?

High PPI would be my preference for work. I read multiple paragraphs of text about 10 hours a day.

[burnt spear]

Probably the aoc qd oled atm
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7LzXsY/aoc-agon-pro-ag276qzd2-267-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-ag276qzd2

There was a $450 msi oled on woot but its oos

[meager elbow]

not tested yet

[burnt spear]

For $80 more theres a samsung 360hz oled

https://computers.woot.com/offers/samsung-27-odyssey-oled-g6-g60sd-gaming-monitor-4

[meager elbow]

for the samsung

[sudden creek]

not bad but not great

[meager elbow]

some other site, seems like a similar story with the AOC

though both are qd oled so im not surprised

rtings probably would also rate this around a 7

[sudden creek]

Are there any oled panels with good text clarity that don't cost a kidney?

[meager elbow]

IPS (according to rtings testing at least) is usually the highest text clarity, with VA being in second place

if you had unlimited budget though

[sudden creek]

I guess I should also recognize at the end of the day that any oled monitor will probably have better text clarity then this FHD 24" monitor I got from Pixio a while back when I was on a very tight budget

[meager elbow]

it probably will be lol

[sudden creek]

those numbers hurt my soul to see

[meager elbow]

rtings rates their ratings of (i believe 5 and lower?) red to be a bad experience, yellow as ok/good and you wont be disappointed, and green as good-exceptional and you will expect a great experience with that feature specifically

green starts at 7.1

[sudden creek]

well my plan is to upgrade my GPU first then I guess I gotta start saving like a mad man afterwards for a good monitor

at some point I'd like to upgrade my ram to 2x48GB

I have hit the limit of 64GB a few times lately

man I have a sudden craving for french toast soaked in maple syrup now...

[meager elbow]

damn

now i want some too

lmfao

[sudden creek]

I was just reading about a food company and they had a image of what looked like french toast to me

[meager elbow]

lmao

[sudden creek]

why do I have freaking Beasty Boys and BBNO songs stuck in my head now.

[tender sleet]

What 1440p OLED has the best text clarity?

I'm guessing it's one of the WOLEDs

[meager elbow]

all just qd-oled panels

[tender sleet]

So it's about the same?

Interesting

I guess the QDZ2 is gaining credence then

[meager elbow]

text clarity seems to mostly be caused by the resolution plus subpixel layout, with IPS being generally the most clear (the apple studio display is IPS with a really high res, which gives it the highest text clarity rtings has tested) and VA being a close second

and all the oleds with a higher rating than 7 are 4k

[tender sleet]

How is 1440p?

Would something like Discord be usable?

Or like YouTube

Tbf I'd mostly have Discord on my second monitor anyway so it doesn't matter all that much

[sudden creek]

orange is useable, green is good or excellent

red is unusable

[tender sleet]

Well that AOC has the same Samsung panel as pretty much all of them

So I think it should be good

[golden pike]

ehhh

yeah i should but i alreadyt have these ones

really i just need to edit videos and delete th footage

been sittin for years

few films

haha

sorry i disappeared

So heres the thing i was speicfically looking for the highest end boards just cuz

[sudden creek]

The Nova board Bacca sent earlier is about as good as you can get. anything beyond that you are paying for brand name and bragging rights.

[golden pike]

i pay for brand name

sadly

also

its bc im getting a deal on a bundle irl in about a few hours

from now

[sudden creek]

Okay, spend $1,099 for the MSI X870E G0DLIKE then.

[burnt spear]

Asrock is brand name...?

[sudden creek]

excellent way to gain "I got deep pockets" bragging rights lmao.

[burnt spear]

Their $110 b650m holds the world record oc for am5

[sudden creek]

What is in the bundle and how much?

[golden pike]

x870e hero

and 5090 astral

been working my booty off to find one

[sudden creek]

honestly I have grown tired of Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte's board bs, I am considering trying Asrock next.

[burnt spear]

I don't even want to ask how much

[golden pike]

for "msrp"

but i want all ROG

[sudden creek]

Seriously?

[burnt spear]

You do you

[sudden creek]

I don't like ROG personally but a 5090 at MSRP isn't horrid.

[golden pike]

i love ROG

[sudden creek]

It's like modern day Apple. Bad product, and all you pay for is the name.

[golden pike]

I understand where ur coming from, but i like them and never had an issue with any product ive purchased over the last 10 years!

[sudden creek]

I like the ram and the car

the rest is ehh

[golden pike]

oh ty

my lil roadster diecast

[burnt spear]

Theyre decent products at 1.5x-2x the price they should be

[golden pike]

tis cute eh

the non existent car

[sudden creek]

decent at best.

but yes they damn well better last for nearly twice the money.

[burnt spear]

Often more

Like their aios mobos

Cases

[sudden creek]

anyways, @golden pike the RTX 5090 at msrp is pretty reasonable just comes down to your own pockets but I personally am not going to recommend blowing $500 on a ROG board.

[golden pike]

whenever im asking for advice in servers price is never a factor

but i super appreciate the genuine advice

cuz ur right

[sudden creek]

I get that, it's performance in this case.

[golden pike]

this is my favorite server for computers honestly

all of u are smart and genuine

[sudden creek]

The Hero to my knowledge performs no better than any other X870E board for a outrageous increase in cost

the last time a brand board actually made a genuine difference to my knowledge were the Kingpin motherboards which unfortunately are no longer being made.

may they rest in peace those beautiful hunks of metal

[sudden creek]

MSI G0DLIKE.

Most overkill board on the market

I have a 5700G and 10700F just sitting around.

thoughts on what I can do with them?

I got a board and ram for them just no case, cooler, psu, or storage.

[golden pike]

make extra builds for the fam!

or to sell to friends just getting into it

[sudden creek]

good point.

[golden pike]

i will have basically entire extra build once i upgrade

[sudden creek]

I won't be reusing them as a server because they lack the processing power for game servers

[golden pike]

will need exactly these haha

do you have a place u frequent

[sudden creek]

?

[golden pike]

i have a place in poconos with my parents ill prob park a second build there

but i live in jersey

oh shoot wait i forgot this is newegg server and not my local microcenter discord

LOL

[sudden creek]

I work remote and live a nomadic life

[golden pike]

basically got my main home and a small vacation cabin in the mountains of PA

yooooo thats dope

[sudden creek]

hoping to settle down here in Alaska as my main base of operations for the forseeable future

[golden pike]

honestly dude same tbh

hold up

alaska

[sudden creek]

Yes.

Good scenery, honest kind and hard working people, lots of outdoor activities.

[golden pike]

i am so jealous

im big into nature and hiking

[sudden creek]

I have been through Canada, most major states in the US, and multiple parts of Mexico and I am from China originally.

[golden pike]

woahhhh dude that is incredible

i love that

sounds like such an exciting and adventerous life

ive been trying to do similar

[sudden creek]

I have come to find that Alaska is amongst the few places where people on a general level keep certain amount of gratitude for what they have and are nice to each other

[golden pike]

just explored the entire outer ring of iceland last october

[sudden creek]

Oh awesome.

[golden pike]

always the people connected to nature!!!

always!!!

[sudden creek]

indeed

probably because they are less attached to what brain rot social media offers most people.

[golden pike]

yes i think so

lol

less connected to tech in general

presented with intense beauty everyday

gotta be thankful for that

[arctic tiger]

Looking to add another 16 GB to my system, I currently have is g.skill trident Z 3600MHz DDR4, and I want to add corsair vengeance LPX 3600MHz DDR4. Would I have any issues since they are different brands?

[burnt spear]

Yes

[wind karma]

Id stay away from Corsair ram, known to have a lot of issues

And yeah best to match kits as closely as possible

[burnt spear]

You're much better off buying a 2x16 kit

And reselling the stick you have

Even if you bought the same brand, with the same speed and timings it could still be a different ram die

[arctic tiger]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-ddr4-3600/p/N82E16820232920 gonna pick this up then

[burnt spear]

This is the same spec if you're fine with no rgb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6QTzK8/patriot-viper-steel-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-pvs432g360c8k

$55 with rgb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pXKKHx/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-rgb-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-sp032gxlzu360bdd

Or could do 3600c16 for $60

[burnt spear]

So my friend has a 16gb 5600c46 jedec hynix A die stick

I set it to 6000c30

When they add a second stick, they'd obviously have to clear the current speed/timings. If they got a hynix die (6000c30) stick, there's a way to use the expo from that stick right?

Or would they have to manually set all of the timings and voltages again

[meager elbow]

i'll need someone else to confirm this, but you might not be able to be stable at 6000c30 if you add another stick which is rated for that, because it wouldnt likely be a matched kit
my experience (with ddr4) is that even with a stick that can handle like 4000c i forget, trying to add a much lower kit (3200c16) was not stable at that lower clock, and i had to run it even slower for it to be stable (though this depends on your luck)

[burnt spear]

I believe with ddr5 it's a little different. Mixing dies isn't good still, but 6000c30 is gauranteed to be hynix

[meager elbow]

(I should clarify that I mean that xmp may not be stable at 6000c30 without additional tuning)

[burnt spear]

Ohhh

That makes sense

[grizzled bloom]

That's more of a M die bin, did you look at the chips themselves?
You can try loading the xmp profile but no guarantee it works. At least 6000 is a good target for even bad bin Hynix.

[burnt spear]

Yeah it is

One sec I'll get the link

https://www.amazon.com/KLEVV-5600MHz-Memory-288-Pin-KD5AGUA80-56G460A/dp/B0BSN4FPQC/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm ok so they claim A die in the listing

[burnt spear]

Its possible it's M die but its also running essentially a silicon power 6000c30 expo with some minor improvements

[grizzled bloom]

Looking at the reviews it's quite likely that it's M die because of the review that shows them not being stable at 6800, failing the windows memory test of all things

[burnt spear]

Hm alright

Klevv claims to only use hynix dies at least

It could be bottom of the barrel A die maybe

[grizzled bloom]

If that was the case they would also need a garbage tier pcb like good old corsair ddr4

Even bad A die can do 7200

[burnt spear]

could it be bc it doesn't have a heat spreader?

eh either way

hopefully the result will be the same

[olive ether]

chat my cpu is overheating and subsequently shutting down i changed the voltage and it helped a bit other than repasting (bought thermal paste arrives tmrw) what else could i possibly do?

i have a ryzen 5 5600x, i buypower aio cooler

[meager elbow]

how old is the system

did it have any thermal issues prior

[olive ether]

shi like 4 years

[olive ether]

naur

[meager elbow]

yeah that sounds like paste is dry then

[olive ether]

thank heavens

id hate for it to be the aio and have to buy a new cooler

[meager elbow]

or the aio pump could also be dead, is it loud?

[olive ether]

nope

[meager elbow]

is it audible at all

[olive ether]

touched the tubes doesnt feel like its clogged

[meager elbow]

well

you wouldnt feel anything from that LMFAO

[olive ether]

just vibrating

[olive ether]

shh

[meager elbow]

ok then it's safe to assume it's still running fine

[olive ether]

i feeeeell it

[olive ether]

i hope so

should the tubes be warm

[meager elbow]

4 years for paste to dry out is normal, so you're most likely going to be fine with just a repaste

they can be warm under load?

[olive ether]

they weren’t warm whatsoever

[meager elbow]

but since they're made of plastic, which is a fairly good insulator, it might not feel quite as warm to the hand

[olive ether]

i searched directions but to clairfy i just gotta remove the aio wipe the paste off the cpu and cooler and then reapply and stick that mf back on right

[meager elbow]

also it might just not be hot because of bad thermal contact between the cooler and the cpu (because of the aforementioned dry paste)

yeah

[olive ether]

ah

[meager elbow]

just some paper towel should be good

[olive ether]

okay bet ill fo that tmrw when it arrives

[meager elbow]

also be careful if it's a ryzen cpu

[olive ether]

oh okay i thought u had to use a coffee filter or smthin

[olive ether]

elaborate

[meager elbow]

since they use a PGA cpu, the thermal paste may stick it to the cooler, and when you remove it, the cpu may remain attached to the cooler

oh wait yeah you have a ryzen 5000 so it would be PGA indeed

[olive ether]

so what precautions should i take

[meager elbow]

well, not really much you can do
to remove the cpu from the cooler, you have to twist it to get it off

also it doesn't happen 100% of the time, just sometimes

[olive ether]

ah okay

[meager elbow]

but this is how pins get bent if you accidentally panic and drop the cpu or such

you might be able to prevent it from sticking on the cooler and coming off by pushing down on the cooler while twisting (though this also has some risk of shearing pins off, though this is a bit more rare from what i've seen at least)

[olive ether]

ah

[meager elbow]

though some cooler attachment methods don't allow you to twist the cooler

[olive ether]

i’ll probably ask for more help tmrw morning when i do the repasting

[wind karma]

Run a cpu intense program like cinebench to heat up the paste

[meager elbow]

oh yeah warm cpu also helps

[olive ether]

ah

my cpu was already running at like 95c

idle

[wind karma]

Wow

[olive ether]

yeah

cooking

[wind karma]

That's probably not just a paste issue but worth a shot I suppose

[olive ether]

what else could it be fr

was running fine till like 3 days ago

[wind karma]

Yeah paste doesn't give out that suddenly

Dead pump maybe?

[olive ether]

any way to check?

its not sounding out of normal

quiet as it always has been

[wind karma]

Not sure other than noise

[olive ether]

yeah none of that

[wind karma]

But if it's fully dead it would be pretty quiet lol

[olive ether]

good point lol

well lets hope the paste fixes it

[wind karma]

It could potentially be the mount got messed somehow but idk how that would happen without a lot of physical movement

[olive ether]

yeah that hasnt happened

do i need to unscrew the aio to repaste

or is just like a yank that mf off kinda thing

[wind karma]

Likely yes. Could be clips maybe? But probably screws I think

[olive ether]

ah okay

[tall yoke]

I put that in the wrong channel. whoops

[pliant siren]

Got a replacement motherboard. It won't post nor display.
Everything is connected all parts are fine.
Just a Green led on an ASUS tuf b550m-plus

[meager elbow]

I assume a debug led?

Which one is lit up

[pliant siren]

Boot led is lit up green

Also worth mentioning i have tried some fourm stuff of, removing gpu power cables, and removing cmos battery

Not sure what else could be done this point

[pliant siren]

So i bought a bad motherboard then?

[meager elbow]

Boot led usually means that it passed POST and just doesn't detect a boot media though I'm pretty sure

Maybe try a different output port or cable or monitor

@pliant siren

[scenic solar]

this looks interesting

[ripe tartan]

What in the motherboard

[vast meadow]

That's actually a grandmotherboard

[distant gulch]

Then this must be a great grandmotherboard

[vast meadow]

thats a dinosaur homie

[distant gulch]

😭

[grizzled bloom]

That's a daughterboard so today it would be a great aunt board

[distant gulch]

Waiting for fatherboard

"It actually works like bees. Once the fatherboard has docked with the motherboard, the father-bits tear off and stay behind to keep the motherboard happily mothering. The fatherboard goes off and dies. This all happens in large manufacturing plants in China. Computers can't be manufactured outside of Asia because fatherboards are native to that region, and don't survive in more capitalist climates, which is also why most people never see any fatherboards.

Motherboards sometimes die early because the broken-off father bits weren't large enough to keep them going."
Thanks internet

[grizzled bloom]

Lmfao I love that lore dump

[distant gulch]

father bits is crazy ngl

[rancid coral]

Hi, So I know a lot of people have their own opinions on this but I am looking into getting a gaming pc at some point but not sure what cpu to go with. I've heard different things on AMD and Intel. What would you reccomend and why?

[ripe tartan]

It depends on your usage.

[rancid coral]

I want to mainly run most AAA games. I want to roughly aim for mid tier

[hollow thorn]

It'll depend heavily on the specifics of local pricing, right now 9800x3d is the best you can get for gaming, but for the mid end, there are currently a lot of good bundles for 7600x and co, especially at microcenter

But if you can get something like a 13600k for cheaper, that'd end up the better option, it's all about the price

[rancid coral]

Alright, I was leaning more towards AMD cpu's but was told to go with Intel but not entirely sure why they reccomened it to me

[pliant siren]

Nothing on anything

[pliant siren]

Okay, i got bios up again. But after setup it doesn't wanna boot.
I gotta change vga to be csm(compatibility support mode) on this asus motherboard. So how can i do that?

Got it! Got em!
I have switched from gigabyte to asus though ao the ui is a bit off for me

[sudden creek]

What do you guys think a I7-10700F and a R7-5700G is worth used?

[pliant siren]

How can i stabilize my ram on this asus motherboard?
I'd thought forcing the ram speed to the target was okay but it seems like it isnt. Enabling XMP profile on gigabyte was much simpler though

Or does csm effect it as well?

[meager elbow]

might have to adjust some timings manually

[pliant siren]

The ram is rated for 3600mhz but it doesn't do well. Goin to base default 2144hrz is stable. So i think im missing more things on this asus tuf bios

[hollow thorn]

What CPU?

Prob need to mess with io voltages

[pliant siren]

3900x

Its running off stock atm.
Dunno how else to do asus stuff. Feels like another planet compared to gigabyte

[pliant siren]

Usually when i say stuff, it gets jinxed... but maybe... maybe its coolio now?

[hollow thorn]

You can try upping soc voltage to 1.05 or 1.1v if not

Although you might just be unlucky with the imc and it may be unable to do 1800mhz on the infinity fabric, you can try lowering the ram freq to like 3533 and see if that works

[floral glade]

whats a good cheap am4 cpu and motherboard to pair with a 12gb rtx3060?

mostly modded minecraft and maybe some light blender

using parts i already have for it, 32gigs ddr4 ram and 750w psu

[burnt spear]

do you alr have the gpu?

if it's anywhere over $250 it's a hard pass, and even 225-250 is a bit much imo

and i'd take a 12600kfhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/99rDYN

[floral glade]

yah

[pliant siren]

Ye, i jinxed it and now it doesn't post.
So what can i do to get back into bios and stabalize ram for preformance?

[floral glade]

are there any good places to get used stuff? since what i already have is old parts from my pc

its either going to be a travel/fun pc that i might take to some boyscout troop events or ill be leasing it to a freind who doesn't have a desktop to use for blender and such

[burnt spear]

A 5600/5700 off aliexpress is good

Or
https://www.ebay.com/itm/126277937774?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=I8ORr0BxSt6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

You can definitely find cheaper on the used market tho

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dkpxTM

5600 on ali
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006546143951.html

$69.30 after the $5 coupon

5700x is $95 w the coupon
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007798647609.html

As for mobo, that's a lil harder

[pliant siren]

VDDCR SOC voltage override?

[floral glade]

ok

[hollow thorn]

yea setting it to override and 1.05v

[pliant siren]

it has crashed on 1.05, tryin 1.1 before lowerin ram speed

[pliant siren]

Nope, crashed still. Lowered ram speed

[pliant siren]

No, its not wanting to hold up at all

And again, the RAM is fine for the 8th tests we've ran on it here.
What else am i missing?

[hollow thorn]

are you only setting ram freq or are you setting the xmp profile?

ram won't do the xmp freq without the xmp voltage

[pliant siren]

i said setting up xpm, compared to gigabyte it's just 1 click, i don't know why asus is alot different for it

[hollow thorn]

what exact ram are you trying to run rn?

can prob manually set the voltages to be safer

[dull flint]

[pliant siren]

4x 8gb; 32gb total of ddr4 corsair dominator platinum rgb, at 3600mrz on a b550m tuf gaming plus

[dull flint]

Asus does annoying stuff like *"Asus optimised XMP" which is stupid

They also call it docp

When no one else does

Can I get a quick recap on what the current situation is

Is it just the ram or have we still got psu/power issues

[pliant siren]

way back psu was having problems, then it was killed, then replacement psu killed motherboard which in turn killed the replacement psu, now i have bought a replacement motherboard in which its fine and running on a basic default level, though i can't get the full preformance of my ram without it being unstable and crashing after a good 5-10min of gameplay

[dull flint]

Fascinating

Ok

Can you help me out here

Can you switch it off

Then take out all 4 sticks

Layout them out on a table

Stickers on the back showing

Send a picture

[pliant siren]

can you tell me what you're lookin for specifically and why corsair ram is such a bad thing then that we're doin this for the 9th time now?

[dull flint]

Also I suspect there may have been some tangential death involved here between the og board and psu but we'll see

[dull flint]

Because it's a highly common problem with corsair ddr4

Have you already done this?

Cos linking me to the pic if you have is easy enough

Corsair are infamous for failing even xmp out of the box on ddr4, and ddr5 they're not much better, locking pmics down unlike anyone else

Their 3200 bin is renowned for mixing and bad chips

Let alone 3600

[pliant siren]

i had bought a differnt psu from the list, we're on a 1200W thermaltake so i doubt it'd die already

[dull flint]

With a 3900x I agree yes

Anyway if you a have a pic that would help a lot

Reason is they print version numbers

So I know where each ram chip comes from just by seeing that

Not posting with xmp has me immediately sus of ram

So yeah

[pliant siren]

server bias on ram has increased to 9 now, give me a second then

[dull flint]

I mean if we work out the kit is all dandy as is by testing it we can very easily rule it out

But it's like, one of the most common troubleshooting I've given over the years

It just happens that much

Not outta nowhere or anything

[pliant siren]

We did test it... 8 times on heavy workloads on y-cruncher and other tools

[dull flint]

I see and stress testing it didn't pick up anything?

No errors at all?

[pliant siren]

None

[dull flint]

Was that at 2133 or 3600

[pliant siren]

3600hrz. The gigabyte aorus b550m pro p handled it fine but this tuf motherboard doesn't

[dull flint]

Gigglebit was very good with am4

Ok so changing motherboard and now it's got issues

I think a pic would still help just to verify everything

But we can assume the kit works

There may be something that we're missing

[pliant siren]

Here's your ram photo

[dull flint]

8gbit rev b micron

Not bad considering

Ok I would suggest two things

First try the ram in a different order in the motherboard slots

And keep trying this until it works

Second

Set 3200 but also set xmp

So there's a dram frequency override just next to the xmp option in the advanced section

Lets you run xmp but force a lower frequency

So the difference between the tuf and aorus would be pcb shielding and signal integrity

[pliant siren]

done, twice, 2nd time just now

[dull flint]

Also potentially the cpu mounting

[dull flint]

There's like 16 different combos, not gonna tell ya to do that much but keep trying

[pliant siren]

unfortunately i don't have termal paste to do a cpu remount

[dull flint]

Is fine

I would suspect it's one of these things tho

If it's stable until you enable xmp that's what I would be sus of

Perhaps a poor signalling slot or just bad pin contact (ram or cpu)

Double check all your psu cables are seated fully as well

[pliant siren]

I have already before today

[dull flint]

Poor insertion can cause intermittent crashing (also wrong cables altogether too)

[dull flint]

I didn't know that I'm just listing things in case not done lol

I read back and looked in here and there but I haven't been reading the whole chat sorry

This would be the first things I'd consider

Sometimes moving the m.2 to another slot also helps

Bad slot can do that

First good sign of all this is if you get a boot on 3600 working