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dull flint Dec 12, 2024, 5:33 PM

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Right?

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I suspect a local short

meager elbow Dec 12, 2024, 5:34 PM

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I'll test when I get home to see if I can get 5v 1.5a to spark with my bench power supply but it seems kinda too low for that

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At the costco

dull flint Dec 12, 2024, 5:34 PM

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I'm more after what you'd suspect the behaviour is

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We don't need to go starting fires mr. Electrician

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💀

meager elbow Dec 12, 2024, 5:36 PM

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Lmfao

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Not too sure tbh also I'm busy shopping for groceries so I'm focusing on that KEKW

scenic solar Dec 12, 2024, 5:44 PM

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the brick that powers the hdd is 12v 2a

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it's a really small spark, like .5mm but noticeable with low light

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and it's not just one, it's constant as long as I move the usb connector over the metal part of the usb port

dull flint Dec 12, 2024, 5:59 PM

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scenic solar and it's not just one, it's constant as long as I move the usb connector over th...

shock

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That is an active short

meager elbow Dec 12, 2024, 6:05 PM

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You speak as if that is normal to happen any day

dull flint Dec 12, 2024, 6:05 PM

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meager elbow You speak as if that is normal to happen any day

"It's not a bug it's a feature"

meager elbow Dec 12, 2024, 6:06 PM

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Idk if you can say that for this instance Kek

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What would the spark do for you

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Maybe generate like 2 ozone molecules

dull flint Dec 12, 2024, 6:07 PM

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meager elbow Idk if you can say that for this instance <:Kek:737190947670065153>

Included taser

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TASER TASER TASER [Chucks Corsair box]

meager elbow Dec 12, 2024, 6:07 PM

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6000v

dull flint Dec 12, 2024, 6:08 PM

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Just see the cop walk in like

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"Put the gun down son"

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Hand hovering over his corsair on his belt

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This one btw

meager elbow Dec 12, 2024, 7:36 PM

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would you look at that

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it seems like 5v1.5a can do some light sparking

dull flint Dec 13, 2024, 2:59 AM

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Insane

limber dragon Dec 13, 2024, 5:14 PM

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you can spark with a 9v battery, and that's crazy low current

meager elbow Dec 13, 2024, 9:13 PM

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not really?

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they have a tiny capacity but they can output over 1a afaik

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hmm

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looks like some people are saying like 400ma of current? i dont have a 9v battery to test though so idk

grizzled bloom Dec 13, 2024, 9:15 PM

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Alkaline can do 6-7A and lithium can do 10A

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That's a very short burst though

meager elbow Dec 13, 2024, 9:16 PM

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i guess the sustained current is lower

grizzled bloom Dec 13, 2024, 9:20 PM

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Oh wait maybe I was looking at a different size 9V battery

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PP3 is the common size you find in the battery aisle

meager elbow Dec 13, 2024, 9:22 PM

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that doesnt say what the max current is, just the capacity though

grizzled bloom Dec 13, 2024, 9:22 PM

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Yeah I'm still looking for that, just saying I forgot there's multiple sizes

meager elbow Dec 13, 2024, 9:25 PM

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probably depends on the battery and temperature from what it seems

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at least from what i've gathered so far lol

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due to internal resistances

grizzled bloom Dec 13, 2024, 9:27 PM

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Yeah it varies primarily by composition of the battery itself from what I'm seeing, plus those other factors

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At any rate, 1A is totally possible

dull sluice Dec 15, 2024, 1:48 AM

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ryzen 7 9800 3dx vs a ryzen 7 7800 3dx, is it worth upgrading to the new cpu atm for gaming?

meager elbow Dec 15, 2024, 1:53 AM

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if you have a 7800x3d then it's not worth upgrading

grizzled bloom Dec 15, 2024, 1:54 AM

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Unless you have a 4090 and play at 1080p or 1440p low then no it's not worth it

dull sluice Dec 15, 2024, 2:01 AM

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i have a 7900

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im guessing the diff between the 2, cpu's isnt that drastic or?

grizzled bloom Dec 15, 2024, 2:02 AM

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It's more that modern games have more load on the GPU than the CPU, unless you play at lower resolutions and quality settings

dull sluice Dec 15, 2024, 2:12 AM

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hmm I play alot of Throne and Liberty. So trying to max my fps during big Zergs.

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The game is probably just horribly optimized for the amount of ppl. But not sure what else to upgrade if thats the case lol

dull flint Dec 15, 2024, 6:41 AM

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dull sluice i have a 7900

It's kinda hard to justify

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Although, there is definitely scaling

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Just for the price rn it's...meh

scenic solar Dec 16, 2024, 4:33 PM

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dull flint <:shock:620554644724383774>

just measured the voltage between the usb grounds, seems like there is an alternating 1V 1Hz for some reason

meager elbow Dec 16, 2024, 5:29 PM

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That is...... Weird

dull flint Dec 16, 2024, 5:30 PM

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Lmao

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So something is treating that usb port as a ground

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And it's quite literally alive

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Is my educated guess here

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Easy way to check is by disconnecting the usb ports to see if it persists

scenic solar Dec 16, 2024, 5:55 PM

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dull flint So something is treating that usb port as a ground

the port is grounded, as it should be, like any other metal part of the case. apparently the sata-usb psu is the one creating that extra charge that has to go somewhere

dull flint Dec 17, 2024, 5:00 AM

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scenic solar the port is grounded, as it should be, like any other metal part of the case. ap...

And that chose the usb plug as the ground point

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Makes sense at least in theory

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Could redo the ground on that usb pcb

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Mayhaps

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MonakHmmm

prisma hill Dec 17, 2024, 6:03 PM

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I have a couple questions,

Does anyone know if there is a chart like this but for cpus instead of gpus?

And what are the differences between motherboards, like theres obviously different sockets, different number of slots or ports etc but otherwise is there any real difference?

Also for ram is the only difference between different ones just the size and the speed?

hollow thorn Dec 17, 2024, 6:07 PM

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For gaming, TPU has a ton of data on all of it

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Just look at specific reviews

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or look on the database
https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/

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the VRM differences can matter a lot on cheaper boards, but the vrm differences don't matter much once you get to the mid-end and higher end boards. Main thing is still connectivity differences

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Ram frequency and latency give you a hint to what the die that's inside the ram sticks are capable of doing, whatever brand and naming that's slapped on top doesn't really matter, hynix m die will perform practically the same (as long as it's not corsair, corsair locks pmic voltages)

prisma hill Dec 17, 2024, 6:44 PM

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hollow thorn the VRM differences can matter a lot on cheaper boards, but the vrm differences ...

Connectivity as in how cpu is connected to the other parts? Like if it's directly connected to an m.2 vs sharing lanes with other things?

prisma hill Dec 17, 2024, 6:48 PM

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hollow thorn Ram frequency and latency give you a hint to what the die that's inside the ram ...

Higher frequency and lower latency is best then I assume?

hollow thorn Dec 17, 2024, 6:58 PM

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prisma hill Connectivity as in how cpu is connected to the other parts? Like if it's directl...

Stuff like usb headers, argb headers, how many m.2 slots, etc

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there isn't as much lane sharing now, but that does matter on boards that still do it

hollow thorn Dec 17, 2024, 7:00 PM

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prisma hill Higher frequency and lower latency is best then I assume?

up to a point that you can support, yes, and it's also about getting frequency and timings that only decent dies can achieve, like 5600c40 could be anything, 6000c32 is hynix for sure and will be able to achieve higher freq if you want to oc it

prisma hill Dec 17, 2024, 9:33 PM

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hollow thorn up to a point that you can support, yes, and it's also about getting frequency a...

So its the type of die within that matter for ram

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Bc that leads to faster speeds lower latency

hollow thorn Dec 17, 2024, 9:35 PM

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Yea, what die you get in your ram stick is going to dictate what the limits of your ram will be

prisma hill Dec 17, 2024, 9:37 PM

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How much of a difference does higher speed ram make?

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Like is it big or na

grizzled bloom Dec 17, 2024, 9:39 PM

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It depends on your CPU. AMD? You won't get much by getting higher speed, you want lower latency instead. Intel? It can make a good difference in your 1% low frame rates, making it feel smoother.

prisma hill Dec 17, 2024, 9:40 PM

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Does lower latency for amd also help with 1% lows

grizzled bloom Dec 17, 2024, 9:40 PM

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Yes

prisma hill Dec 17, 2024, 9:40 PM

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Interesting

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I'm not gonna upgrade my ram or anything I'm just interested in knowing what the differences are

grizzled bloom Dec 17, 2024, 9:42 PM

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If you get a good memory die like Hynix A or M, then you get really good results from overclocking and there's guides for recommended settings that usually work

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A good 6000 CL30 kit is often one of those dies

prisma hill Dec 17, 2024, 9:44 PM

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But if you're not overclocking then you can just get like a "normal" ram kit and it'd run the same?

grizzled bloom Dec 17, 2024, 9:45 PM

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It will get about the same average fps but with more stuttering and lower lows

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How much it matters depends on the game and CPU in question. For example, the AMD X3D processors don't care about the memory nearly as much because the extra cache effectively hides the latency

naive pendant Dec 18, 2024, 1:51 AM

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Hey so am having an issue and am confused. I have a B650M Pro Series Wifi motherboard. I am trying to update the BIOS using a USB Stick, Flash. I start the flash, couple seconds later it turns off. Computer turns back on with a RED VGA AND BOOT on the motherboard, and I get no display. Tried doing it with the PC turned off, and issue still persists

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Anyone has any ideas on what to do next? Can't load Windows Recovery Mode since display won't show, but recovery mode works. Just can't see it on the display

dull flint Dec 19, 2024, 5:20 AM

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Oof

grizzled bloom Dec 19, 2024, 2:34 PM

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Yep even when it's good it's bad

burnt spear Dec 19, 2024, 3:07 PM

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Good to know my 13600k won't be outdated anytime soon at least lmao

hazy rover Dec 19, 2024, 4:23 PM

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I am looking to purchase a new laptop for software development. I have narrowed down these two CPUs which fit my budget. However i am unable to select one because i am looking that the following comparison on CPUBenchmark and it says that the overall scores are as follows:

|AMD Ryzen 7 7730U|Intel Core i7-1355U|
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|18529            |14790              |

Single Thread ratings are as follows:

|AMD Ryzen 7 7730U    |Intel Core i7-1355U |
|---------------------|--------------------|
|3058                 |3501                |

Now this is confusing me a little but because i thought most applications depend on single code performance which would make Intel a better choice in this case and but if we look at the overall score AMD is better. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5215vs5317/AMD-Ryzen-7-7730U-vs-Intel-i7-1355U please

sudden creek Dec 19, 2024, 4:31 PM

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hazy rover I am looking to purchase a new laptop for software development. I have narrowed ...

Professional software typically prefer Multi-Core performance in my experience. Also depending on the kind if software dev you are doing I'd check what GPU the laptop comes with.

hazy rover Dec 19, 2024, 4:31 PM

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both come with integrated graphics, nothing dedicated

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i mostly work on pycharm, django flask backend development, do not do AI

sudden creek Dec 19, 2024, 4:32 PM

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Okay so just programming.

hazy rover Dec 19, 2024, 4:32 PM

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yes

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i expect either would be able to run Counter Strike at 60 fps (nice to have)

sudden creek Dec 19, 2024, 4:33 PM

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I would recommend the 7730U then. It consumes less power which means you will have better battery life and also it can maintain faster clocks for longer as a result.

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iGPU is slightly better on the Intel chip if I recall correctly but for programming that won't make a difference.

hazy rover Dec 19, 2024, 4:37 PM

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okay. thanks. the laptop with Ryzen is also 20% cheaper. what would you say are the major differences between these two processors ? on Toms Hardware someone mentioned Intel Core i7-1355U have 2 performance core and 8 efficient cores do you know what this means ?

sudden creek Dec 19, 2024, 4:40 PM

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Intel in recent generations have implemented a sort of hybrid-architecture design similar to Apple's M chips.

A performance core is your standard ripping fast CPU core with 2 logic threads.

Efficiency cores are slower than performance cores and contain 1 logic thread but they are far more power efficient and are much smaller size wise.

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They are good to have for multi-threaded applications or for when you are doing light-weight tasks that simply don't require the power of a regular core.

hazy rover Dec 19, 2024, 4:41 PM

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okay got it. is the architecture of the Ryzen different ?

sudden creek Dec 19, 2024, 4:42 PM

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The one you are looking at implements the usual design of only performance cores.

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Let me double check the specs on the two.

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Yeah the AMD chip should be much better. 16 threads (AMD) vs 12 threads (Intel) while also having more cache and lower power draw

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@hazy rover

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AMD:

8c16t (cores and threads)
16Mb Cache (Ram on the CPU)
15W TDP (power draw)

Intel

10c12t
12Mb cache
55w TDP

hazy rover Dec 19, 2024, 4:48 PM

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also the GPU specs are far better i think on the AMD

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Lenovo V15 AMD Ryzen 7
Infinix Y4 Max Series Intel Core i7

sudden creek Dec 19, 2024, 4:56 PM

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Value wise I think the AMD one wins. I am curious why you don't use Amazon or Newegg?

grizzled bloom Dec 19, 2024, 4:56 PM

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Generally speaking AMD does have the better integrated GPU. Once Intel has Xe2 on more chips that might change.

hazy rover Dec 19, 2024, 4:56 PM

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i am not in the US

sudden creek Dec 19, 2024, 4:57 PM

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hazy rover i am not in the US

Country?

hazy rover Dec 19, 2024, 4:57 PM

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India

sudden creek Dec 19, 2024, 4:57 PM

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https://www.amazon.in/

Amazon.in: Online Shopping India - Buy mobiles, laptops, cameras, books, watches, apparel, shoes and e-Gift Cards. Free Shipping & Cash on Delivery Available.

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Amazon India

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Should be able to find some better deals I think.

hazy rover Dec 19, 2024, 4:58 PM

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most of the time Amazon cannot match the price with our home grown Flipkart

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also Amazon is cluttered and Flipkart is quite neat and clean in terms of presenting information about the product but i do check the prices on Amazon before i place an order

hollow thorn Dec 19, 2024, 5:06 PM

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You can look around https://pcpricetracker.in/laptop too

sudden creek Dec 20, 2024, 4:07 AM

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Great video

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Just noticed, when did I hit Champion rank?

grizzled bloom Dec 20, 2024, 4:47 AM

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Earlier today from what I can tell

meager elbow Dec 20, 2024, 4:54 AM

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grizzled bloom Earlier today from what I can tell

much longer than that if their level is anything to go by lmao

grizzled bloom Dec 20, 2024, 4:55 AM

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Huh. So it is. Guess I didn't notice either.

burnt spear Dec 21, 2024, 12:58 AM

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So uhh

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6800u idling at 70c

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Laptop repaste sounds very painful

meager elbow Dec 21, 2024, 2:01 AM

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you on silent mode? or are fans going crazy

burnt spear Dec 21, 2024, 2:19 AM

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For some reason putting it back on silent dropped temps 16c

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I guess it was forcing it to boost

meager elbow Dec 21, 2024, 2:27 AM

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perhaps

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 7:50 PM

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Hi Everyone. I purchased 2 Kits of DDR5 for 4 sticks. How can I test which Kit works best? Do I have to stress test the kits separately or can I test all 4 sticks at the same time and figure out which kit is best? Also can I mix and match the Kits? https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-ddr5-6000/p/N82E16820982102

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:00 PM

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balmy mango Hi Everyone. I purchased 2 Kits of DDR5 for 4 sticks. How can I test which Kit w...

You will need to do stress tests on both kits separately.
Your test should be a combination of Benchmark Apps and gaming
Do not mic and match sticks that can cause poor performance and controller issues.
Running 4 sticks at the same time has a horrible impact on performance so long do that if you need the extra storage.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:04 PM

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@sudden creek Thank You! Would You recommend I swap these out for a 2x32GB Kit instead? The build is Gen5 Gaming on x870e & 9800X3D

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:06 PM

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Yes 100%, and gen5 gaming isn't a thing

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Unless you mean pcie gen 5, which both for gpu and ssd won't make an impact

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:06 PM

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Gen 5 Ready.. lol

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:07 PM

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balmy mango <@217356391675985921> Thank You! Would You recommend I swap these out for a 2x3...

Unless you are doing CAD (3D Software) or 4-8K Video Editing then a Gen5 drive won't make a noticeable difference for you.

2x16GB is enough if you are just gaming. I personally use 2x32 because I do Cad, Video Editing, and run servers.

Regarding the board a B850 would be enough for a 9800x3D unless you want the extra pcie.

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@burnt spear I am actually looking into upgrading to a 2x48GB kit. I have reached the point where I have run out of available memory at times lmfao.

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:08 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V7Jcb2

Part List - AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Montech XR ATX Mid Tower - PCPartP...

Part List - AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Montech XR ATX Mid Tower

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:08 PM

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sudden creek <@654444344274845698> I am actually looking into upgrading to a 2x48GB kit. I h...

Oof

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:08 PM

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No servers running. Just work and gaming I hit 64GB

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:08 PM

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What cpu are you on again?

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:08 PM

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7950x3D.

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:08 PM

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And have you tried optimizing background usage and the likes?

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:08 PM

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MSI X670 Pro motherboard

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:08 PM

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burnt spear And have you tried optimizing background usage and the likes?

Yeah. I terminate all apps I am not using.

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And use process lasso to optimize what uses what cores

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:10 PM

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I wonder how 4x24gb does

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:10 PM

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sudden creek Unless you are doing CAD (3D Software) or 4-8K Video Editing then a Gen5 drive w...

I want the x870 for the lanes. I'm sticking 1 or 2 Gen 5 NVMe and a 5090 when I get one

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:10 PM

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Also I am not sure how this happened but last night Discord must of had a memory leak or smth because it managed to consume 30.1GB of ram.

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:10 PM

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24gb sticks scale very well with tuning if I remember right, but I'm unsure what the difference would be like stressing the imc

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:10 PM

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balmy mango I want the x870 for the lanes. I'm sticking 1 or 2 Gen 5 NVMe and a 5090 when I ...

How many ssds do you plan on using?

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:11 PM

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balmy mango I want the x870 for the lanes. I'm sticking 1 or 2 Gen 5 NVMe and a 5090 when I ...

Just understand that you will be paying extra for those lanes.

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:11 PM

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In games you won't notice a difference between a 5090, $500 x870, and a gen 5 ssd and a 5090, $180 b650, and a decent gen 4 drive

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:12 PM

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burnt spear How many ssds do you plan on using?

3 or 4. 2 Gen 5 and 2 Gen 4

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:12 PM

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(And gen 3 drives but that's out of the convo)

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:12 PM

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burnt spear 24gb sticks scale very well with tuning if I remember right, but I'm unsure what...

I haven't done a deep tuning on my current chip yet but I managed to do 6400cl32 with Trefo at 64K if I recall. I had to reset my bios and haven't gotten around to re tuning

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:12 PM

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So you need 12-16tb?

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:13 PM

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I just like to seperate my Drives for different applications

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:13 PM

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I am quite curious what this oc is being used for. Because this is a very unusual setup if it's just to game.

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PC*

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:13 PM

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Fair, but partitions do the same thing

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:14 PM

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Bootd Drive, Game Drive, Storage and for whatever I like

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:14 PM

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Hmm alright. Just understand a gen 5 drive won't make any difference in gaming for quite a few years to come.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:14 PM

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burnt spear Fair, but partitions do the same thing

Oh.. I didn't know that

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:15 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wgjd9C

Part List - AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Montech XR ATX Mid Tower - PCPartP...

Part List - AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Montech XR ATX Mid Tower

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:15 PM

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sudden creek Hmm alright. Just understand a gen 5 drive won't make any difference in gaming ...

Understood, Some games are even better on Gen 4. I just want to future proof it and have no regretts

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:15 PM

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Only way a gen 5 drive will make a difference is if you do a lot of 4-8K video editing, CAD, or running servers off of it

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:16 PM

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balmy mango Understood, Some games are even better on Gen 4. I just want to future proof it ...

For the money, a solid gen 4 drive will last you for years just fine and by then gen 5 will be much cheaper. If you still don't want to go that route go for it.

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I still use gen 3 drives for gaming.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:17 PM

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sudden creek For the money, a solid gen 4 drive will last you for years just fine and by then...

I'm splurging now, because Crypto is at all time Highs. So I'm splurging before my gains drop

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:18 PM

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Alright.

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If you are planning on really doing a all out future proof build I'd suggest going for like a 9950x3D and a quality X870E board that you can overclock on with 2x32GB ram kits using Hynix chips.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:26 PM

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Will just be primarily for gaming and the 950x are usually better for workstation rather than Gaming

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I purchased the Asus Strix x870e Gaming for this build so I can OC and fit at least 1 NVMe Gen5 SSD and dedicate the rest for 5090

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:29 PM

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7950x3D has a CCD for gaming and a CCD for work type apps. It's v-cache CCD only falls behind the 9800x3D by like 10fps. On par if not better if you use process lasso and tune every thing in.

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It can be a bit of a pain to setup at times though.

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9950x3D is set to release on January 7th if I recall.

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That's the improved version of my 7950x3D.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:32 PM

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Ya thats what I would have prefered, but I was fortuante to reserve the 9800x3d for just a $50 markup

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:32 PM

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Alrighty guess at least one part of this build is gonna be within the realm of reason lmao.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:33 PM

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If 9950x3d releases within 30 days I happly return and swap

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:34 PM

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Just note, the 9950x3D is going to be dual CCD like the 7950x3D.

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That means you will want to learn the basics of process lasso to tell apps which cores to use which helps with gaming because if done right you can make the v-cache ccd only run the game and nothing else.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:36 PM

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That sounds too complicated for me... I think I should just be content with my 9800X3D

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:37 PM

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Yeah it took me a bit to understand. Easy once you get used to it. It's simply to optimize the system doesn't actually need to be done

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Like my 7950x3D can run anything just fine without process lasso but using it has made my frames far more stable and increased it because my V-cache ccc is only ever running the game and nothing else so my performance has been on par with a 9800x3D from what I can tell.

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Also note, the v-cache cores on the 7950x3D boost higher than the 7800x3D.

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I am guessing AMD plans to do the same for the 9950x3D.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:39 PM

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I wish I have the patience to do that, but I don't. I just want to plug and play

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:40 PM

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Yeah go 9800x3D the. 🤣

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 8:44 PM

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balmy mango I purchased the Asus Strix x870e Gaming for this build so I can OC and fit at le...

$470 for a mobo when the 9800x3d should be $450 is ridiculous lol

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:45 PM

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Agreed.

distant gulch Dec 22, 2024, 8:46 PM

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So much money for only so much performance 😔

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:46 PM

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I think I spent $200 on my MSI X670 Pro which got paired with my 7950x3D at $800 smth.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:48 PM

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I know, I paid for the Brand.. I still love Asus and I'm pairing it with Corsairs iCue for my RGBs

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:49 PM

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So long as you are aware then we won't nag you nearly as much

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:50 PM

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I'm fully aware.. All for the brand

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:50 PM

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If you are serious about future proofing I would strongly recommend 2x32GB sticks.

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6000-6400cl32 is about the sweet spot most AMD cpu.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:51 PM

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Ya I'm actually watching DDR5 benchmarks for gaming and the 64GB Kit is making a difference

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PEmS7bLDWQ

YouTube

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sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:51 PM

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Between my browser tabs, discord and a few work apps when I am gaming I use up around 40GB

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:52 PM

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OK I'm sold

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:53 PM

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I can vouch for my Kingston Renegade 2x32GB kit but idk if it was pot luck for me or not I ended up getting Hynix Chips on the ram. 6400cl32.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:53 PM

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sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 8:53 PM

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Anything above 6400mhz on 2x32GB I wouldn't count on working.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:53 PM

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21FPS lows to 58FPS.. Thats crazy

distant gulch Dec 22, 2024, 8:54 PM

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32 does plenty for me peepoSadSip

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 8:57 PM

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32GB is more than enough, but I want to future proof and those Lows are huge

distant gulch Dec 22, 2024, 8:59 PM

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I hate the word future proof 😭

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:00 PM

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Well Dang. 2x32GB Kits are sold out

distant gulch Dec 22, 2024, 9:00 PM

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2x24 should be way more than enough for the average person

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:00 PM

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balmy mango Well Dang. 2x32GB Kits are sold out

Teamgroup and Kingston make good ram kits.

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:01 PM

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distant gulch 2x24 should be way more than enough for the average person

This guy is far from normal lmfao. I wouldn't try to pitch him down I already tried. Best to just help them get what they want for cheaper if you feel inclined.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:01 PM

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sudden creek Teamgroup and Kingston make good ram kits.

No doubt, but my build is Icue.

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:02 PM

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A RGBless ram kit is recommended due to excessive heat on DDR5 sticks.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:02 PM

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Sorry I'm very picky with my components.

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:02 PM

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Corsair sticks are known to literally fall apart due to the glue melting on their RGB lineups.

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G.Skill used to have that issue a lot on their lower end sticks.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:04 PM

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Can the Gskill Royals pair with Corsairs Icue software?

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:04 PM

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sudden creek Corsair sticks are known to literally fall apart due to the glue melting on thei...

This is something I would strongly recommend avoiding getting RGB if you going Corsair.

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:05 PM

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balmy mango Can the Gskill Royals pair with Corsairs Icue software?

I do not know. I'd imagine yes though that's just a guess.

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G.Skill Royals are beautiful.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:06 PM

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They really are, but sadly they don't sell CL30 or lower for the 48GB

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:06 PM

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You don't need it that low.

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:06 PM

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Corsair icue is filled with bugs and takes tons of system resources

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:06 PM

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Just manually tune it at those latencies.

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Takes like 10m and saves you like a hundred bucks.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:07 PM

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burnt spear Corsair icue is filled with bugs and takes tons of system resources

lol I think we've already gone trough this..

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:07 PM

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Open rgb or windows dynamic lightning works much better

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:07 PM

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balmy mango lol I think we've already gone trough this..

I talk to a lot of people in this server and don't remember most people's names until we talk multiple times

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But it doesn't really change it

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:08 PM

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Only Option it has

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:08 PM

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Corsair is a very prominent company yet has multiple issues that makes them much less desirable than alternatives

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:08 PM

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balmy mango Only Option it has

You are not going to be able to run those frequencies.

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Just a heads up. You will need to downclock it.

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Definitely future proof lmao it will be like another 4 years before you get a and cou that can run that speed without ln2.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:09 PM

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Not even witht he EXPO profile?

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:09 PM

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A 48gb kit should be under $160

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:09 PM

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Nope.

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:09 PM

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Ideally $130-145

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64gb 6000c30 is $150-170

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:09 PM

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AMD you are lucky to do 6400mhz.

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:09 PM

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6400 is stable for almost everyone with newer bios

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:10 PM

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It is now?

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:10 PM

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Wouldn't surprise me if 6800ish with effort

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But that would be ram tuning

sudden creek Dec 22, 2024, 9:10 PM

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I remember Fal and all the others struggling to hit 6200-6400 with stability about half a year ago.

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:10 PM

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I guess I'll be sticking with the 32GB

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:11 PM

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Especially on a $470 mobo (cough) 6400mhz will not be an issue

distant gulch Dec 22, 2024, 9:11 PM

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Why are you coughing? Are you sick?

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:11 PM

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Very

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:12 PM

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sudden creek Corsair sticks are known to literally fall apart due to the glue melting on thei...

These Dominator Titaniums. I can swap the RGB tops with none RGB if Heat becomes an issue for me during testing

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:13 PM

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Corsair is the only brand with a quality control issue of mixing ram dies in the same kit, which causes inability to run expo/xmp/docp

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It's been an issue for years and they haven't fixed it. They also lock the pmic voltage on ddr5, which again, no other brand does

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Most of the time they're also just grossly overpriced, while being worse than the competition

distant gulch Dec 22, 2024, 9:13 PM

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Corsair --is the issue--

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:14 PM

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I've seen at least 4 people in this server in the last two months with faulty corsair vengeance ddr4 kits

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All w mixed dies

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Actually it might have been 3

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But the point stands

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:15 PM

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sudden creek I remember Fal and all the others struggling to hit 6200-6400 with stability abo...

I'm just hoping for 6000mhz so anything over with RGB on is a bonus

burnt spear Dec 22, 2024, 9:15 PM

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Alr I'm going to watch YouTube, peace

distant gulch Dec 22, 2024, 9:16 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/gaming-pc-lian-li-o11-gif-20528283

Tenor

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:16 PM

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Nice

distant gulch Dec 22, 2024, 9:17 PM

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Aneurysm

balmy mango Dec 22, 2024, 9:17 PM

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Mine will be a better looking Rainbow Puke

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Hopefully

brisk falcon Dec 22, 2024, 11:43 PM

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I'm having to re apply thermal paste for the first time, what's the best way to apply it? I see a lot of pea sized dot but then I see all kinds of stuff on patterns for best cooling

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 12:15 AM

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brisk falcon I'm having to re apply thermal paste for the first time, what's the best way to ...

Technically the best is to spread a thin layer over it

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If it's AMD then a X pattern works well if you don't want to spread it

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Intel 12-14th gen you can do a line longways to let it spread more evenly.

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:19 AM

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Anyone know what’s going on?

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:22 AM

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That's a new one

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:23 AM

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So I’m full cooked or? I can’t figure this out

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:23 AM

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That's a ram/imc issue

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Look up your ram kit's xmp voltage

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:24 AM

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So originally I had 32, decided to add 2 more sticks

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:24 AM

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There's your problem then

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:24 AM

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It worked fine for past few days

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:24 AM

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Don't mix kits

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This will have everything to do with that

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:25 AM

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It’s the same ram?

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Brand

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:25 AM

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Same ram spec can have different chips underneath

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And the different chips need different values to run

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The conflict leads to errors like this

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It's a very normal outcome

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Take the extra sticks out and stay with 32

hollow thorn Dec 23, 2024, 6:25 AM

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It's a matter of putting more strain on the IMC with 2dpc too, even if it's the exact same die

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:26 AM

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Yup

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:26 AM

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So I needa figure out which 2 ram was the system first

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Trial and error?

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:26 AM

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dull sluice So I needa figure out which 2 ram was the system first

Check by serial number

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And the manufacturer date also gives it away

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If it's on there that is

hollow thorn Dec 23, 2024, 6:27 AM

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Best to first check that both kits are stable on their own first, then you can start doing some tweaking given that you know what dies you have to try and make both kits work together

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:27 AM

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I mean I'd work in reverse tbh

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If it was fine with the old sticks then return the new sticks, ez

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:27 AM

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dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:28 AM

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Yep that's definitely ram

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That's a very clear ram stability issue

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:28 AM

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But I don’t understand on behalf I took the 2 new sticks out. Pretty certain they’re the correct ones

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:28 AM

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Did you put the old two in the right slots

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The 2nd closest and 4th closest to cpu is the best 2

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:29 AM

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2nd and 4th

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:29 AM

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If you still crash, swap those two sticks in those two sockets around

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Sometimes it's only stable because of the order

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Listen I gotta go lad, if you still run into issues, do a cmos reset (motherboard manual, also known as JBAT) and reenable xmp and your fan curves

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It may be that the board needs to undo the wildness of the 4 stick catastrophe kekw

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:36 AM

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Not certain. But thanks

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:55 AM

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Hmm if anyone else has an idea, that would be great. It keeps freezing here as well.

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 6:57 AM

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Freezing in BIOS means something is very wrong

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Did you clear your CMOS yet?

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:02 AM

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Not sure how to get there.

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I’m back in the bios currently, with no issues

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:02 AM

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?cmos

silk jungleBOT Dec 23, 2024, 7:02 AM

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How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

Intel

How to Clear CMOS to Reset BIOS Settings in Systems with Intel®...

Defines CMOS technology and how to clear CMOS using the jumper or battery methods.

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:02 AM

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You probably have a jumper, most modern boards do

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You can use a screwdriver to jump the pins

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:05 AM

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I don’t even know what that is. Not sure what or how that’s an issue. Or how to tell

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The mb its self is brand new in terms of install/updates. not sure if that makes a difference

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I may of found the problem, but not certain

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Aren’t I supposed to enable xmp when using / adding new ram?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:12 AM

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The CMOS is where the BIOS stores configuration data. If you had a bad configuration stored, that will cause any number of problems.

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Enabling expo is a VERY bad idea until you get that bad configuration cleared, you can actually ruin your motherboard or memory

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Or at least your windows installation

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:14 AM

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Okay fair enough.

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So prior to this I was using x2 16gb ram. And upgraded to x2 more, and things have been smooth. The ram I just bought, not even 3 days ago. Installed, booted up just fine.

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I went to restart today, and got that blue screen, so I played around with the ram sticks to see if that’s the issue. I myself haven’t a clue. I ended up putting back in all sticks, and currently on the bios, in the bios I’d assume theirs nothing here that I need to be looking for? You’d suggest restarting this cmos thing?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:18 AM

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Yes, having the BIOS freeze even once is a strong indicator that it is in critical condition

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:18 AM

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It froze when I put back in 2 sticks

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Now that I put back in the 4, it hasn’t done that. Idk if that’s a difference

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But than again it still shouldn’t do that

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:19 AM

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And the bad configuration from that one freeze is still stored in the cmos

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:20 AM

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I see so it’s kinda like a cache, in a way?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:20 AM

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Sort of, more like RAM in pure function

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:22 AM

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I’ve never done this before, currently I’m on a MAG B650 tomahawk. I’d need to find out where this button is and take it apart and put it back in?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:25 AM

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That board has a jumper labeled JBAT1, bottom of the board, right of center

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dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:29 AM

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grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:29 AM

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Yep that's it

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Touch those two pins with a screwdriver for about 15 seconds and it should be cleared

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:31 AM

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Alright. Done.

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:31 AM

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dull sluice It froze when I put back in 2 sticks

So maybe we have the wrong two to begin with?

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Check the batch number on each

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Send us a picture

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Before you turn them on

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Sticker is on the back

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:33 AM

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Two new sticks

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:33 AM

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Those are the same kit yeah

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:34 AM

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Ew samsung bin

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:34 AM

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Yeah what's the other two look like

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:35 AM

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grizzled bloom Ew samsung bin

Could even be micron and thus barely stable

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:35 AM

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I do not still have the box for the other 2

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:35 AM

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Need to pull them out

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Pc off

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:36 AM

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Pc not on yet

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:36 AM

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Pop em out lets have a look

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:36 AM

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These are the original

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:39 AM

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One sec

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Sorry got a problem rn

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Try the two new sticks

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@grizzled bloom batch 2404 iirc is a problem batch

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:43 AM

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Power on, with the 2 new sticks, and set aside the old ones, yes?

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:44 AM

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Yes

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Try xmp

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:45 AM

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*expo 1

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:45 AM

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No

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Xmp

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:45 AM

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So go to bios, hit xmp 1?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:45 AM

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No extra timing set?

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:45 AM

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Not yet

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:48 AM

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Enable this, what does that do? I’ve never used this setting before.

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Kinda like overclocking ram?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:49 AM

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That sets the memory to use the correct timings and voltages

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So you get the speed you paid for

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It is technically overclocking in the sense that it's running above the stock speed

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:50 AM

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Yes, correct?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:50 AM

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yes

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:50 AM

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The bios didn’t freeze

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:50 AM

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Yes

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Go to windows

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Fal hands full

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Sorry

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Do tm5

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:51 AM

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It's ok I'm only debugging a program right now, it takes time between compiles

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:52 AM

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grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:52 AM

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Continue

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It shows that when it detects boot failure several times

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But that should be fixed now

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:53 AM

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No

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It’s same blue screen

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:53 AM

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What's the error this time

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Your installation might have been corrupted

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:54 AM

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It restarted again by its self

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So 1 sec

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Install?

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:54 AM

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Wait let it cook

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:54 AM

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Back to this screen

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:54 AM

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Continue

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:56 AM

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grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:56 AM

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Ok next time try troubleshoot and automatic repair

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(it doesn't work often but you never know)

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:57 AM

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Rofl did we cmos clear

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Which cpu is this

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 7:57 AM

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yes

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:57 AM

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Ryzen 7 7800 3dx

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:57 AM

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How old is this bios

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:58 AM

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Mb Is MAG B650 toma

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It’s updated for the cpu

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dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 7:59 AM

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dull sluice It’s updated for the cpu

When did you update

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:00 AM

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July

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 8:01 AM

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Did you add anything else to the pc

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:02 AM

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Add? No, just the basic. The only new thing was the recent ram.

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 8:02 AM

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So no ssd, maybe wiring changes?

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:02 AM

#

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No, same SSds

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Since day 1

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:03 AM

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startup repair

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 8:03 AM

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Ok yeah the install might be so bad now it's beyond the point of nearly no return

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A recovery disk or a complete wipe and reinstall (NOT RESET) might be the fix

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:04 AM

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Same screen

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I still have the usb for windows. Not sure what else to do at this point.

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 8:05 AM

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dull flint A recovery disk or a complete wipe and reinstall (NOT RESET) might be the fix

Think this is the play

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:05 AM

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So go back to to troubleshoot

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:05 AM

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Yeah most likely needs a reinstall of windows at this point

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:06 AM

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Reset this pc / Advanced options?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:07 AM

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From what I gathered of the breadcrumbs of info available, you originally got the memory and never enabled xmp or expo and just set the speed to 6000. That's already bad. Adding the second kit of memory and trying to do the same thing, that's worse. Total failure of the OS is basically a matter of time with that configuration.

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Not a reset, you'll need to load up that USB and install from there

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You can't trust a single system file on that SSD right now

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:08 AM

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Okay so back to the bios than?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:09 AM

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I think the hotkey on MSI boards to choose a boot device was F9 or F10 when the MSI logo pops up, you can pick the USB from there

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Could be F8

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:13 AM

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grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:13 AM

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Use a device

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:13 AM

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Hopefully it opens the screen

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Okay so I’m on the typically screen

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I’m installing again, vs repair?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:14 AM

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yes

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 8:15 AM

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Delete all the old partitions if you don't want complications

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Whatever is on there is cooked anyway so that old boot install will need to go

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All old partitions on that drive**

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:16 AM

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Lil to late for that I assume considering it’s installing

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That would be the top one, considering I’m not using a disc?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:18 AM

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It won't let you do an upgrade, custom is the only option

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:18 AM

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Ohh I see

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:18 AM

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Upgrades need to be done from inside a working system

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:18 AM

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Okay so here is what I think you’re looking for

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grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:19 AM

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Deleting all of the partitions there is the ideal way here, which will delete all data on the drive

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If there's files you can't afford to lose or download again then you can try just hitting next, but there's a bug that might stop you there

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:21 AM

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Honestly

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I don’t remember what’s on a lot of my ssds. Besides games.

I do have thumbnails and such in a folders but ig it is what it is

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So I need to delete all of these or specific ones?

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Does what type it is matter?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:24 AM

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Every partition on drive 0

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It'll rebuild everything it needs

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:25 AM

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All good to click next?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:25 AM

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You missed one

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drive 0 partition 1

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:26 AM

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grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:26 AM

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Right now hit next

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:27 AM

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Alright it’s doing the thing

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#

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:34 AM

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First one

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:42 AM

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Okay it looks like it’s reinstalling

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I am back on.

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Now should I restart first and see what happens?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:44 AM

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Couldn't hurt

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:44 AM

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Alrighty

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It made me completely start fresh

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New account windows login the whole thing

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:48 AM

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Go ahead and run this, and click load profile. Select the anta777 extreme profile. It'll close, open it again and it'll load the correct profile. Let it run until it finishes. One error means it fails, and it can take a few hours.

📎 TestMem5_v0.12.zip

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This is to make sure that the memory is good now

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So you don't have to reinstall windows every few months

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:55 AM

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Okay, downloading it, hada grab discord right fast.

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hmm not sure what you mean

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I needa download something to read that file

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 8:59 AM

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When you open the program there will be a button to load config

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Point it at that file

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 9:00 AM

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thats all i see when I open the folder

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 9:01 AM

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You'll need to extract the files first

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TM5 is the program to run

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 9:01 AM

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oh its this thing

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okay its running

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finished

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grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 9:06 AM

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That was the default profile

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You didn't load the anta profile

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 9:07 AM

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grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 9:07 AM

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dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 9:10 AM

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the files are showing open w/ wordpad

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 9:11 AM

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Yes the configs are only text files

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 9:11 AM

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so load config, extreme, and it closes by its self, right?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 9:12 AM

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It'll pop up that "testing complete" box when it's done

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 9:12 AM

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alright its doing it

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i see where it now shows its running extreme

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im guessing this is a stress test for the ram?

grizzled bloom Dec 23, 2024, 9:13 AM

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Yes

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 9:41 AM

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i assume i'll have to do this test again, when / if im able to put in the other 2 ram stickss or are those bad?

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its still testing

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 10:19 AM

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@grizzled bloom lost 3 hours to a power strip dying

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I'm malding

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☠️

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 10:19 AM

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dull sluice i assume i'll have to do this test again, when / if im able to put in the other ...

Ye after the test finishes, turn the pc off, swap the old sticks in, test again

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New sticks out

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Or whichever the order is rn

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If you complete the test btw then I'm like 99.99% sure it was the ram all along that caused the mess lol

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But testing the old kit as well would clarify that everything was stable until the mix

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 12:37 PM

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Nvm turns out it wasn't the power strip but something inside tripping the entire system

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What's the bet I've cooked an RMx

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Doing literally nothing but light use for 2 years

meager elbow Dec 23, 2024, 2:32 PM

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Felix once again with his midas touch

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 3:35 PM

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Figured it out, was an extension

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:29 PM

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Pretty sure its done. Not certain, but looks like its asking me to activate windows as well

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:30 PM

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That-

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Looks like it froze at the 30 minute mark

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floosh

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:31 PM

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the test or?

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:31 PM

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Ya

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:31 PM

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the numbers are still moving

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:31 PM

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1.5 hours should've been long enough the heck

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I wonder if the fclk is configured correctly

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:32 PM

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Do i close it?

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:33 PM

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I want to say yes

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I'm gonna say yes

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Close it, switch it off, swap the sticks around, try the other kit, same test

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That was....weird

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But Fal isn't here and I apologise I was barely here last night for the bios stuff

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Pc was buggering me around

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:35 PM

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Swap sticks as in, put the old ones back in?

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:35 PM

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Yes, take the current ones out with the pc off, put the old ones in, retest

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:35 PM

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these current sticks are the new ones

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:35 PM

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Nothing errored but that was phenomenally slow

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Ok old then

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Lol

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Really slow without error makes me think you have a rare 7800X3D that doesn't run 6000 synced

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That or the ram itself is the contributing factor towards it

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1.5 hours should do 3 cycles which is the default full test

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9 was weird

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:45 PM

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i left it running

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cause I passed out

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ANyhow im back on, booted up

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Run the test again, w/ these current sticks?

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Same test?

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Its doing the extreme test again. I'll keep you posted.

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:53 PM

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Ye

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Sorry I'm on and off rn, been working till late lol

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:53 PM

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So far its working fine, but only 7mins in

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:53 PM

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Np

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If it errors at all then the kit needs rma

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So just hold tight until it's done

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As I said, about 1.5 hours

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Go watch a movie lol

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:54 PM

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so that means these sticks would be considered bad?

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if it errors

dull flint Dec 23, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Yes

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Even once can be considered worthy of it

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Depends on the error tho

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Anw

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Leave it to run for now

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 6:56 PM

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Would me not installing all windows 10 updates, cause it to run slowly?

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dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 7:45 PM

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Update, looking okay or?

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:11 PM

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dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 8:47 PM

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ran a light test as well. Seems the extreme doesnt wanna finish, last time as you saw it was over 9hrs.

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Guessing now I put the other 2 sticks in, and power on?

dull sluice Dec 23, 2024, 9:38 PM

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hollow thorn Dec 23, 2024, 9:47 PM

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would not really trust results from just superlight, it doesn't run enough tests for long enough to really check stability, extreme1 can take anywhere from 1hr to 3hr on average, longer with more ram at lower speeds

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 1:04 AM

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@dull flint, @burnt spear, @grizzled bloom, do you guys think ai have stripped out and secured the inside of my PC enough for checked luggage?

I will be putting the PC back into IT original box with the foam cushions and filling the inside with foam peanuts. I will also wrap the outside of the box with bubble wrap after I seal it with ducked tape.

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Open to opinions from anyone else as well who has experience shipping and or moving PCs around as checked luggage.

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 2:14 AM

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This is an extreme amount of effort for what I hope is only 1 trip

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Would change to a smaller case in future if you need to travel again

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 2:15 AM

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dull flint This is an extreme amount of effort for what I hope is only 1 trip

I am a very cautious person.

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 2:16 AM

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dull flint Would change to a smaller case in future if you need to travel again

I won't be moving homes like this for a very long time. At least a year.

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 2:17 AM

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dull flint This is an extreme amount of effort for what I hope is only 1 trip

You think this is enough?

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 2:17 AM

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I couldn't tell you for sure mate

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I have not needed to travel with a case like this before

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Normally I take a laptop lol

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 2:18 AM

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If I wanted to secure it some more what would you think of recommending?

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 2:20 AM

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dull flint I have not needed to travel with a case like this before

This is my 3rd or 4th time packing it for checked luggage. Last time someone dropped my PC case tearing the side of the box open (I suspect that's what caused the horrid whine from my fans that led to its recent death)

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 2:20 AM

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Can't say if anything else comes to mind

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Though I would recommend if this is a regular thing, downsize case

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Z20 can very easily fit into a carry on suitcase for example and uses normal parts

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You will make your money back

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 2:22 AM

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I plan to either do that or make a Brief Case desktop for when I travel next time.

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 2:22 AM

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dull flint You will make your money back

Haha yes indeed.

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 2:22 AM

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A nice am5 matx

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Decent 240mm

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Good 140mm psu

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And any graphics card you like

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Z20 would run a high end rig very easy

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I know because this was my planned build until 4 months ago

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Then I went to a dan a3

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 2:23 AM

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Mhmm I don't doubt it.

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So here is what I think I will do:

leave the PC interior as is
wrap the PC with a layer of two of bubblewrap
put it back into the original box with the hard Styrofoam
fill the air pockets with foam peanuts
reinforce the damaged exterior with cardboard
seal it with duct tape
put bubble wrap around the outside

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@dull flint do I need to worry about the bubblewrap creating static when coming into contact with the motherboard's io?

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 2:33 AM

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Ummmm?

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Probably yeah?

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 2:34 AM

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dull flint I have not needed to travel with a case like this before

Like I said lad I can't really help here^

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Sorry

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 3:05 AM

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First layer applied.

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And just in case.

lyric turret Dec 24, 2024, 3:59 AM

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Can anyone help me

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My pc will not fisyplay

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 4:17 AM

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grizzled bloom Dec 24, 2024, 4:18 AM

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Now turn it on and make the torrent suffer worse than a H510 elite

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 4:28 AM

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grizzled bloom Now turn it on and make the torrent suffer worse than a H510 elite

As you can see it's still not as bad with that small opening

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:01 AM

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Im back online now.

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Ram is working fine, no blue screen errors, I believe my operating system just cooked.

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So reinstalling windows, fresh slate, seemed to fix whatever problem it was.

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I went and got a new windows key, and everything seems pretty solid.

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:03 AM

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dull sluice I went and got a new windows key, and everything seems pretty solid.

Using the old sticks?

grizzled bloom Dec 24, 2024, 5:04 AM

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There was no need to get a new windows key, it would have been tied digitally to your microsoft account

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:04 AM

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Yeah, I think the issue before was, when I bought the new sticks, i just poped them in. They weren't originally bought when I built it. I didnt do anything to the bios either. Just plugged them in and went on w/ life.

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I needed a new key on behalf I couldnt remember my old mirco account, so thats on me.

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:05 AM

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dull sluice I needed a new key on behalf I couldnt remember my old mirco account, so thats o...

Shoulda come back after it was all done

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Ahhhh

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Oh well

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We know a few tricks to do it cheap

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That's all I'm allowed to say

grizzled bloom Dec 24, 2024, 5:05 AM

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You might have been able to recover the account or get you a cheap key yeah

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:05 AM

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it was windows 10 anyhow, I paid 20$ for windows 11, so not to bad

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:06 AM

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Ah $20 is ok

grizzled bloom Dec 24, 2024, 5:06 AM

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Yeah that's about the right price

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:06 AM

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But yeah I was gonna address that with you after the testing was done lol

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Anyway yeah, classic example of ram mixing, lesson learned

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:06 AM

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Nah I couldnt get the account back, they locked me out, and considering the phone number was different when it was made etc. Just a pain in the butt

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:06 AM

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I'd take the new sticks back now

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And power on

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ExcitedCatBlob

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Just send them the problems you had

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:07 AM

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You dont think leaving all 4 sticks in now is good idea?

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:07 AM

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"My pc wouldn't turn on with these in"

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:07 AM

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dull sluice You dont think leaving all 4 sticks in now is good idea?

Uh ofc not

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💀

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We found the issue

grizzled bloom Dec 24, 2024, 5:07 AM

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Mixed kits of memory are part of what caused this whole thing lol

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:07 AM

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I am willing to put money down you have a mix of hynix and samsung

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So you shouldn't mix like at all

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:08 AM

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ok ok sec

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:08 AM

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If you want more, return the new kit, sell the old kit, buy a 2x32 kit

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4 sticks of ddr5 is cancer let alone mixing kits

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:08 AM

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So when you buy ram sticks, even tho they're the same brand, they can be random sticks?

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:08 AM

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Yep

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Ram sellers rebrand oem chips

grizzled bloom Dec 24, 2024, 5:08 AM

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Better yet a 2x24GB kit since you don't need to sacrifice speed on that size

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:08 AM

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And those come from several major suppliers

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Which are hynix, samsung, micron, nanya

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And a couple others

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Those are your ram GB slapped onto the "Tforce" sticks

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:09 AM

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So ideally, x4 16gb sticks of ddr 5, isnt a good idea?

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:09 AM

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They run at different specs for each

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Yep

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Just do not

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At all

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Do 2x32 if you want 64

grizzled bloom Dec 24, 2024, 5:09 AM

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4 sticks of DDR5 in general is a bad idea, even with a matched set, since it can severely limit you and sometimes won't work at all

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:10 AM

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4 ram slots on ddr5 wasn't meant to even happen

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It was a last minute addition to the spec

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They're meant to run single rank per channel by design

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(Single stick)

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:10 AM

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So take out 2 of these, and use only the 2 that came in the kit?

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:11 AM

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Mhm

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You may already be killing your windows doing that

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As we speak

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:11 AM

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Alright alright

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brb

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:11 AM

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Ram corruption is slow and silent so yeah

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Do an sfc scan when you come back

grizzled bloom Dec 24, 2024, 5:11 AM

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If you look at Intel documentation, it will show the speeds you're expected to get with various configurations.
1 stick, single rank - 6400
2 sticks, single rank - 6400
2 sticks, dual rank - 6000
4 sticks, single rank - 5200

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4 sticks, dual rank was something insane like 4400

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Below jedec for most kits

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:13 AM

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OMG FAL

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LOL

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New listing Dorimeeeeeeeeee

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I could be a tesla owner

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:14 AM

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Should I keep the old sticks in, or replace them with the newer ones?

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I don’t remember which were Sam’s

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:14 AM

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What was the last sticks I had you testing

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:14 AM

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dull sluice

Back here

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:16 AM

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dull sluice

This one older one, you said bad batch?

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So take those out, and just use the newer ones, correct?

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:16 AM

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Not necessarily

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Did you test both kits

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:16 AM

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Yes

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:16 AM

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dull sluice

And this was which kit

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:17 AM

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Older kit

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:17 AM

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Use the older kit only

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Return the new kit

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2404 is known to have problems in the batch but if you passed that test then you won't be having those problems

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:18 AM

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I didn’t have issues till I installed additional ram.

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Okay I got this screen since I took the ram out

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dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:19 AM

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Yep

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F1 to run setup

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Make sure fan curves and XMP is enabled

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:20 AM

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dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:20 AM

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We don't need to do expo (It's like the tiniest bit better) but if you prefer to do expo you'd need to test those old sticks again

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Click A-XMP 1

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Did you ever configure fans

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:20 AM

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Truthfully

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No

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lol

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:21 AM

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dull flint Click A-XMP 1

Ok just do this then f10 and save and exit

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:21 AM

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dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:22 AM

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Mhm

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:23 AM

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Alright back online

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:24 AM

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Ok

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Go to command prompt as admin

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Type

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sfc /scannow

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If it comes back "Repaired them" good

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If it says "No errors" even better

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And we return the new sticks

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:27 AM

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Weird

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Let’s see what happens

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Looks like we’re all clear

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:31 AM

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Sweet

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Ok we put this behind us now

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I would return the new ram

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And we ball like this

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32GB is just fine unless you do Star Citizen

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:34 AM

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You mean the game thats never coming out

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fair

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Alright sounds good

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:35 AM

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dull sluice You mean the game thats never coming out

Ya lmao

grizzled bloom Dec 24, 2024, 5:35 AM

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The forever alpha

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:35 AM

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I dont think any pc can handle that game right now.

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probably when were old.

grizzled bloom Dec 24, 2024, 5:36 AM

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It's only because they can get away with not optimizing it because "It'S a BeTa"

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:37 AM

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Ironically still runs better than most donning the indie "Beta title"

dull sluice Dec 24, 2024, 5:37 AM

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I mean youre not wrong

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The other problem I run into, and ik I cant be the only one. Some games run better on intel vs Amd. Vice versa. So I could only imagine how problomatic that game would be to "fix"

dull flint Dec 24, 2024, 5:41 AM

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Oh yeah

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AMD vs nvidia vs intel

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They all have variation

sudden creek Dec 24, 2024, 5:24 PM

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dull flint As you can see it's still not as bad with that small opening

Lmao.

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It's now worse than a H510 if I can get it plugged in.

loud crater Dec 24, 2024, 11:19 PM

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i was playing a game and the display was frozen, but the audio was still playing from before it was frozen, then the audio stopped and a blue screen appeared very briefly, the display went dark and i was back to the lock screen, like the pc was restarted

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i think i should reinstall windows

rapid thunder Dec 25, 2024, 3:41 AM

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What are the prevailing thoughts about the comparison between the Ryzen 7 7700 and the 7800X3D?

The X3D recently became available on Amazon again and for what looks to be sub-MSRP.

I paid about $289 for a 7700 that's still NIB but can get a 7800X3D for $439 and am debating returning the 7700 to get the X3D chip.

restive minnow Dec 25, 2024, 4:59 AM

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hey folks Happy holidays. I've got a nice shiny new GIGABYTE Z890 AORUS Master and Intel 285K processor to go with it. What I'm looking for is some CUDIMM to go with it. There's DDR5 8000 MHz CL38, 8400 at CL40, 8800 at 42, 9600 at 46, etc. What's the primary driver of performance? The frequency or the CAS Latency?

sudden creek Dec 25, 2024, 7:54 AM

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rapid thunder What are the prevailing thoughts about the comparison between the Ryzen 7 7700 a...

Personally I think the x3D is quite worth it for the drastically better 1% lows and a good boost to peak frames.

I assume you will be able to get your money back from the 7700 or at the very least most of it? Because otherwise the price-performance ratio is really high.

sudden creek Dec 25, 2024, 7:55 AM

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restive minnow hey folks Happy holidays. I've got a nice shiny new GIGABYTE Z890 AORUS Master...

Cas latency doesn't matter as much on DDR5 and if you really want it honestly isn't too hard to do a quick tuning to lower it.

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Also, I am extremely skeptical about any kit beyond 8000mhz working on a 285K without having either golden samples or some exotic form of cooling.

rapid thunder Dec 25, 2024, 8:33 AM

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sudden creek Personally I think the x3D is quite worth it for the drastically better 1% lows ...

I got it on Newegg and appear to be well within the return period. The box is completely unopened or marred in any way so I anticipate getting a full refund for it. Just a little on the fence as to whether the performance bump I might get is worth another $150 give or take.

dull flint Dec 25, 2024, 8:34 AM

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rapid thunder What are the prevailing thoughts about the comparison between the Ryzen 7 7700 a...

It's about

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15% ish

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9800X3D is about 10%-ish on top

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Faster

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And that's in a very cpu heavy scenario so consider it more like 5-10%

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If it costs 5-10% of your total pc budget in markup to grab that, it's kinda worth it

dull flint Dec 25, 2024, 8:37 AM

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sudden creek Also, I am extremely skeptical about any kit beyond 8000mhz working on a 285K wi...

They work because of CUDIMM

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More importantly

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Kinda weird to get a 285K these days unless it's strictly for workstation

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Huge amount of sunk cost just to even get close to a 14900K let alone an X3D if this is in any way used for games

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CUDIMMs are not cheap

sudden creek Dec 25, 2024, 8:40 AM

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Cudimm? What are those. I missed that part.

grizzled bloom Dec 25, 2024, 8:43 AM

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They're normal DDR5 but with an extra clock redriver component to help with signal integrity

sudden creek Dec 25, 2024, 12:41 PM

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grizzled bloom They're normal DDR5 but with an extra clock redriver component to help with sign...

Does AMD support Cudimm?

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Ahh just read that while Cudimm sticks work, AMD runs it in a bypass mode of some sort that makes it pointless.

grizzled bloom Dec 25, 2024, 12:56 PM

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There's literally no point on AMD anyway since there's no need to run above 6400. CUDIMM doesn't start to benefit until ~8000.

tender sleet Dec 25, 2024, 1:30 PM

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I believe on 9000 series you could actually get a benefit

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Allegedly

dull flint Dec 25, 2024, 1:31 PM

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Nope

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9000 uses same IMC as 7000

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No benefit

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Ram performance is within 2% margin

tender sleet Dec 25, 2024, 1:46 PM

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Something software related allegedly

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Then again, not verified

rapid thunder Dec 25, 2024, 3:50 PM

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As of now, the 7800X3D looks to be on sale for a pretty good price for those interested. Deal is on Amazon.

burnt spear Dec 25, 2024, 3:51 PM

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Fake seller

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@rapid thunder

rapid thunder Dec 25, 2024, 3:52 PM

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Well crap

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How do you know?

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@burnt spear

dull flint Dec 25, 2024, 4:04 PM

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They're usually fairly easy to notice

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I haven't looked but if it has a really long and random name

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Barely any store reviews

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Or maybe a bunch of negative reviews

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Yeah, not a real seller lol

rapid thunder Dec 25, 2024, 4:07 PM

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The feedback section didn’t look very good, and most of it was in reference to posters rather than PC hardware.

I thought Amazon had checks against this sort of thing

dull flint Dec 25, 2024, 4:09 PM

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It happens way more often than you'd like to believe

rapid thunder Dec 25, 2024, 4:09 PM

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Looking at the store front, I guess all the advertised prices are too good to be true.

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Just canceled my order. Hopefully that’s the end of it.

dull flint Dec 25, 2024, 4:18 PM

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They often accept the order

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Harmlessly so

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Then disappear

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Lol

rapid thunder Dec 25, 2024, 4:20 PM

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The seller just disappeared from the item listing page

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I guess we’ll wait and see how cancellation and charge reversal works with Amazon

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I’ve never had to do this before shopping with them

dull flint Dec 25, 2024, 4:24 PM

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Rest assured if you weren't updated with any shipping details, your account shouldn't be charged

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You shouldn't have any money deducted

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If you do reach that stage tho contact amazon CS immediately and explain your concerns

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They'll reverse the charge

rapid thunder Dec 25, 2024, 4:31 PM

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My credit card shows payment pending for it. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. I’ll keep checking on it over the next week.

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Thanks

dull flint Dec 25, 2024, 4:33 PM

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rapid thunder My credit card shows payment pending for it. I guess we’ll just have to wait and...

Np, but yeah if it doesn't clear in the next 24 hours contact Amazon CS

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Also your bank

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Amazon is very efficient, those pending payments last 2 days at most

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You can issue a chargeback in that time

sudden creek Dec 27, 2024, 3:42 AM

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@dull flint, @burnt spear I will be moving into the new home tomorrow. Fingers crossed the PC is fine and working.

balmy mango Dec 27, 2024, 3:54 AM

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Yooooo... 8900X3D in NewEgg Right now https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4742200

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Combo Deal, wish the Board was Strix.

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 7:03 AM

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Yuck

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Wouldn't take strix or hero

cyan raft Dec 27, 2024, 7:28 AM

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dull flint Wouldn't take strix or hero

Damn hero is now bad these days?

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 7:28 AM

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cyan raft Damn hero is now bad these days?

You like overpriced then you got it fam

cyan raft Dec 27, 2024, 7:28 AM

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Fair

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I love my x570 Hero

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I should hammer the 9800x3d into it

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 7:30 AM

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X570 was different

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I mean

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Not like

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Wildly different but now on ddr5 it's just a pure "what" moment

cyan raft Dec 27, 2024, 7:31 AM

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Yeah i know

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 7:31 AM

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So yeah if you spend hero money go get a gene or apex

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And even then the justification is bleh

cyan raft Dec 27, 2024, 7:32 AM

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I probably would still get a hero ngl just because of the IO it gives

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 7:33 AM

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You can compete with that quite readily

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The gigabyte boards have good io at the upper end for example

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One thing they've been doing well

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You can get similar i/o on one of their x670's for sub 200

cyan raft Dec 27, 2024, 7:33 AM

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True but gigashyte has shafted me so many times now

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 7:33 AM

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Ok understandable but asrock exists

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kek

cyan raft Dec 27, 2024, 7:34 AM

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Asrock has good offerings now?

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 7:34 AM

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Have for a while lad

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Taichi lite is OP

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$700 features on like a $300 board

cyan raft Dec 27, 2024, 7:35 AM

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Smh only 24 power stages, not good enough

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I need 30 minimum

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These motherboards suck, woweww

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And it's only ATX? Everyone knows that EATX boards are obviously better

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Im losing out on at least 2 fps because of it

sudden creek Dec 27, 2024, 9:13 AM

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cyan raft Im losing out on at least 2 fps because of it

I pray you are joking.

balmy mango Dec 27, 2024, 6:17 PM

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I'm looking to upgrade and transition to AMD CPU for a High end Gaming build. I'm reading lots of positive reviews for the Ryzen 7 9800x3d. But come next year they are lunching a Ryzen 9 9900X3D. Should I wait for the 9900X3D or is the 9800x3d the best for gaming performance?

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:18 PM

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Just 9800X3D for gaming

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If you can find one at a normal price that is

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Getting a second CCD will add nothing for games, ever

burnt spear Dec 27, 2024, 6:19 PM

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only issue is pricing and stock

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if you can find one under $500, fantastic

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if not, id either stick to a 7600/x for now, or buy a used 7800x3d

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:19 PM

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dull flint Getting a second CCD will add nothing for games, ever

The extra cores work on a new ccd for the R9's, so the latency hit means they do absolutely nothing for a game

balmy mango Dec 27, 2024, 6:24 PM

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Will the extra cores from R9s give a decent boost to RTS games or fairly negligible?

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Was also able to reserve a 8900x3d for $524.62... lowest price i can find.

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:29 PM

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Not for most RTS games, most don't use more than 4-8 cores.

balmy mango Dec 27, 2024, 6:29 PM

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I'm also upgrading from an Intel i7-10700k. So I'm quite excited.

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:30 PM

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You should be able to see a nice bump in performance

balmy mango Dec 27, 2024, 6:31 PM

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Yes sir. Also going from Gen 3 NVMe to Gen5

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:31 PM

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Gen 5 does absolutely nothing for games

balmy mango Dec 27, 2024, 6:31 PM

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Just better boot times

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:31 PM

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Gen 5 from even sata ssd's is like less than a 20% load time increase

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Yes so you're paying $200 for 2 seconds less boot time

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Don't do it

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:32 PM

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Yea direct storage is still not a thing, I wouldn't even say 20% load time or 2 seconds boot time, it's <1s boot time difference and no perceivable difference in most games

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:32 PM

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My fastest boot drive isn't even any nvme it's my sata

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It boots to windows like instantly

balmy mango Dec 27, 2024, 6:33 PM

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I have the cash to spend so Im going all out, don't want to have the feeling of regret.

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:33 PM

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Buying on that metric isn't even trustworthy

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:33 PM

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The tech is good but the software isn't there to be able to use the tech

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Direct storage was supposed to be here 3 years ago

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:33 PM

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Buying on something that does nothing for a gaming pc honestly

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:33 PM

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Now there's like 3 games that support it

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If you want to be an early adopter and hope that there will be something that'll benefit from it, go for it, but we can't recommend it based off what it's able to do right now

balmy mango Dec 27, 2024, 6:36 PM

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I understand and appreciate the feedback, but its what I've always wanted to do eveytime I make upgrades so I don't have to for a while. I will however stick with the R7 8900x3d, so thank you!

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:37 PM

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I love how it's like, me sharing the impact of my own experience and it still doesn't hit home

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Lol

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I'm looking at my old self in the mirror

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DonlonTrumpsk

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Hindsight is 20/20

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:39 PM

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I mean it's fine as long as you understand what you're spending your money on, I have 6tb of gen 4 drives, and I have nothing that can take advantage of it right now

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:40 PM

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Oh I get that

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I'm always in that camp of like " If you understand then fine " lol

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But to clarify I've been doing this same practice for a while now

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I have the scars

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Just forewarning not to share in my own mistake

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:41 PM

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Yea, I don't really regret it, I'm just happy whenever I do something that actually takes advantage of it lol

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Glass half full kinda thing

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:42 PM

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If it made a meaningful difference I'd endorse it

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This is like picking corsair hardware to me lol

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Just a loss

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:42 PM

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Corsair hardware is actually detrimental to your performance lol

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:42 PM

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It is

balmy mango Dec 27, 2024, 6:43 PM

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Yup, I understand what I'm paying for. Just don't want to have regrets and be able to brag to my co-workers AMD

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:43 PM

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Even gen 4 is dubious to endorse

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Like

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The only reason I add gen 4 is it costs the same as gen 3

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In terms of actual difference it's a fraction of a second

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The people that truly benefit don't play games lol

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:44 PM

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Yep, I got gen 4 because it was within 10$ of the equivalent 4tb gen 3 drive, I'll take the rare moments when I can move files faster over the money

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:45 PM

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balmy mango Yup, I understand what I'm paying for. Just don't want to have regrets and be ab...

Bragging rights are always fun lol

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:45 PM

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hollow thorn Yep, I got gen 4 because it was within 10$ of the equivalent 4tb gen 3 drive, I'...

Exactly, I agree in leveraging a cost-effective uptick

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But gen 5 is double the price of gen 4

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It's gross

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If you don't run servers or export renders 40 hours a week for pay they're not worth

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:47 PM

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Yea the pricing is terrible rn, I honestly don't think servers or exporting renders can even take advantage of that speed without also having an ungodly amount invested into the other pieces of hardware

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:47 PM

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Yup

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:48 PM

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It feels like it'd end up only being useful for million dollar racks working on AI

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:48 PM

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It's like buying a massive 8K screen or a small 4K monitor

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There's just no point to them

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:48 PM

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hollow thorn It feels like it'd end up only being useful for million dollar racks working on ...

Until directstorage actually does something yeah

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:49 PM

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dull flint There's just no point to them

Hey tbf very small 4k panels can be nice for vr lol

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:49 PM

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Ok fine one example LOL

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I don't think anyone here owns a primax vr set

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:50 PM

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I have a friend looking to get one for flight sims, that's the only one I know

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:51 PM

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That's an insane grab

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Lol

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 6:55 PM

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Looking at flight sim setups, a 1k(?) vr headset isn't that expensive relative to tens of thousands of dollars worth of other bits and pieces

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Crazy stuff

dull flint Dec 27, 2024, 6:58 PM

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I find the full cabin ones insane

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 8:02 PM

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Yea a singular panel of good quality can cost you a thousand dollars

frigid hawk Dec 27, 2024, 10:23 PM

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i have a 3070 and a i5 12600k and on cinebench the bottleneck is like 8.71 but the i5 and 3070 are shown to work good together, i have been crashing when playing and im wondering if i need to do something with my cpu and just get a new one or better cooling, or replace my cpu with like an i7

hollow thorn Dec 27, 2024, 10:39 PM

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I wouldn't really trust any bottleneck calculations, and if you've been crashing, it's not a performance issue, it's some kind of instability

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If it's giving you bsods, you can figure out the issue from that, if not, check event viewer

grim sequoia Dec 28, 2024, 1:46 AM

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balmy mango I'm looking to upgrade and transition to AMD CPU for a High end Gaming build. I'...

What'd you go with for motherboard?

grave pilot Dec 28, 2024, 3:12 AM

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Anyone have any idea what this is all about for my friend, sounds memory or hard drive related

dull flint Dec 28, 2024, 3:13 AM

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That almost sounds like the power button is being triggered on it's own

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Like something under the button maybe

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That's a new one for me

balmy mango Dec 28, 2024, 4:21 AM

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grim sequoia What'd you go with for motherboard?

Asus Strix X870E-E Gaming, Finished it off with Corsair Dominator Platinum 2x32 DDR5 for topping.

hexed herald Dec 28, 2024, 7:04 AM

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Yo I have a question about ram

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My motherboard is a gigabyte b560 ds3h ac what’s the best 16gbx2 of ddr4 I can get?

dull flint Dec 28, 2024, 7:11 AM

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The cheapest that isn't corsair

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3200 max

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Like literally anything not corsair it's very easy

grizzled bloom Dec 28, 2024, 7:11 AM

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What kind of budget are you looking at

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Because I know a really nice $500 set of memory...

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What you don't like the 4000c14 kits felix?

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Guaranteed B-die

dull flint Dec 28, 2024, 7:14 AM

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Need to sell mine

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Don't have a need for those anymore I just use them cos they're on hand

grizzled bloom Dec 28, 2024, 7:16 AM

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I should sell one of my kits too. Even when I upgrade my server to a 5600G I don't think I'll need 32GB.

dull flint Dec 28, 2024, 7:16 AM

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I'm gonna sell them and get a cheap kit

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I'll use those instead, reap my profits while I still can lmao

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Welp I'm outtie 5000

hexed herald Dec 28, 2024, 7:22 AM

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Thanks guys

wind karma Dec 28, 2024, 7:12 PM

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hexed herald My motherboard is a gigabyte b560 ds3h ac what’s the best 16gbx2 of ddr4 I can g...

If you didn't find some already
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (SP032...

Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (SP032GXLZU320BDAJ7)

hexed herald Dec 28, 2024, 7:31 PM

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wind karma If you didn't find some already https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-...

Thanks man, need it for marvel rivals

wind karma Dec 28, 2024, 7:36 PM

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Yeah that should be plenty for that

hexed herald Dec 28, 2024, 7:38 PM

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rapid thunder Dec 29, 2024, 7:26 AM

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So… that 7800X3D I ordered from what we decided was probably a scam account? It says it was shipped.

If it actually arrives I’ll at least inspect it before deciding what to do next.

How difficult would it be to pass a cheaper chip off as a 7800X3D? I’ve heard of some scams on used parts where the seller passed off a cheaper, lower powered chip off as something better and it wasn’t obvious until it was benchmarked and examined in some software or other.

dull flint Dec 29, 2024, 7:42 AM

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rapid thunder So… that 7800X3D I ordered from what we decided was probably a scam account? It ...

Did they not cancel?

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Oh god did you reverse the charge lad

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That's really sus af

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And yes those scams exist, they use IHS' (The metal top cover) of other cpus or even the real ones, and slap them on the fake chip, label it as if it was the chip, then ship it

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Some are really really good at it, basically impossible to tell at a glance without trying to open them up or trying to use them

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Well, I pray this doesn't end in you being scammed out of money lad, it's wayyyy harder to reverse a charge with each passing day after purchase

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Best hope amazon fulfill the responsibility for that if nothing else

grizzled bloom Dec 29, 2024, 8:00 AM

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rapid thunder So… that 7800X3D I ordered from what we decided was probably a scam account? It ...

Take a video of opening the box, keep the cpu in frame while you install it, and see what the bios says the CPU is. All in one video. That way there's no way for them to dispute it when you do have to charge back.

dull flint Dec 29, 2024, 8:03 AM

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Then upload to youtube as a private video when they request evidence

rapid thunder Dec 29, 2024, 8:12 AM

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dull flint Did they not cancel?

Apparently it didn’t cancel, though I’m not sure why since I did so only a couple hours after ordering. I’m curious enough to test it out before trying to return it.

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We shall see how this adventure plays out I guess. If it’s bad I’ll return it to Amazon with the very justified reason of it being counterfeit merchandise.

rapid thunder Dec 29, 2024, 8:16 AM

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grizzled bloom Take a video of opening the box, keep the cpu in frame while you install it, and...

Can you safely post to bios without a cooler on?

grizzled bloom Dec 29, 2024, 8:17 AM

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You can just set the cooler on top, no paste required

dull flint Dec 29, 2024, 8:21 AM

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rapid thunder Apparently it didn’t cancel, though I’m not sure why since I did so only a coupl...

Did you contact Amazon CS or the bank??

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You really should if you haven't

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Like

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Rn

rapid thunder Dec 29, 2024, 8:28 AM

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Huh, when I looked at it through the customer service screen it says a refund was issued the 25th, the same day I ordered and cancelled. Of course it also says the refund was issued to a gift card… I’ve never heard of that being a thing but since this is a family account I may have to check with my folks in the event they get it in the mail.

dull flint Dec 29, 2024, 8:29 AM

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Refund to a gift card??

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Never heard of that before

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It shipped today

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Therefore you should not of been charged until today