cpus-mobo-and-memory

[dull flint]

Surprised me how many boards had it at the time from GB

[grizzled bloom]

Oop maybe it does

[dull flint]

Even then, you can find another donor board and solder swap the working chip on

Hell the donor board may even have the feature and save the original chip in the process

Lol

[cerulean wadi]

I remember when dual bios was actually special/new-ish. My Z77 has it.

[meager elbow]

i wonder if it's cheaper to have dual bios or to just put a bios flash button

[long geyser]

Yeah, cuz I was trying to help Yams force flash the default one. Mild pain looking for info on that (it's in pins now). But it did lead me to funni GB marketing.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500101047612604427/1191572645880283146/image.png?ex=66f6c4c1&is=66f57341&hm=53dec417d24d946abca3f6e07916d463bfa11e89bde8ed173a2458bdb8ee6b15&

[lyric turret]

Ram goes into 2nd and 4th slot right

[grizzled bloom]

Correct

[lyric turret]

Anyone know how many cpu cables I should use

[lyric turret]

Ryzen 9 7950x3d

[grizzled bloom]

One 8 pin cable

[lyric turret]

Ty

So not 2?

[grizzled bloom]

Each one is rated for over 300W

2 is for extreme overclocking

Or a 13900K+

[lyric turret]

FAL I never seen this

[lyric turret]

Came with my 4080 super?

[grizzled bloom]

Triple 8 pin to 12VHPWR adapter

[lyric turret]

Should I use these for the gpu or use the PSU ones?

[grizzled bloom]

If your power supply has a 12VHPWR cable you don't need the adapter, just use the one from the PSU

[lyric turret]

It doesn’t gg

[grizzled bloom]

Oh perfect, it's even the newer 12V-2x6 which is less likely to burn

[lyric turret]

So it doesn’t then right

[grizzled bloom]

It does

[lyric turret]

Oh yea

And then on the 3 ends pcie cables go?

[grizzled bloom]

They go back in the box

Since your power supply has a better cable

[lyric turret]

Oh so I don’t use these cord thens

[grizzled bloom]

This cable is unnecessary in your case, right

They include it for people that don't have newer power supplies

[lyric turret]

Ohh

So the 12v cable

It says 600w on it lol

But my Psu is 850

[grizzled bloom]

The cable max is 600W, that's the most it is allowed to use according to spec

[lyric turret]

Ohh

So I don’t need to use that slot

[grizzled bloom]

You'll plug that yellow end into the socket I pointed out above, 12V-2x6

It only fits one way

And if you see yellow, it's not all the way in

[lyric turret]

Oh so I need to use that cable then? How will the PSU get to 850 w if the cable is only 600

[grizzled bloom]

The CPU and fans etc use power too

[lyric turret]

O

Ight so 1 more problem

This cord goes in there

But my gpu won’t go in with that cord there

And I can’t put the cord in after gpu is in bc it’s impossible

[grizzled bloom]

Poorly placed header, common issue with large GPUs

You might be able to bend it enough to clear the GPU, they can take a pretty sharp bend

[lyric turret]

Ahh

My gpu only has 1 pcie slot

Wait lol

My Pcie cables won’t fit in that

Ohh nvm

The yellow cable goes in that?

[grizzled bloom]

Right

[fast moth]

Falcie the goat, helped me when I was building two of my pcs

[lyric turret]

Should I update bios first or get windows installed

[grizzled bloom]

I would do bios first but it doesn't really matter much

[compact zenith]

My systems are good. Going to check my friends system this weekend. No beeping, no bios message upon power up. I remember having something like that happen to me with an Asus psx58d, my first I7 build. With me, it wasn't a bios bricking due to power loss, it just one day wouldn't post when powering up. No shocker, it used a gamemax psu back then. It actually turned out to be a bad hard drive. Knock on wood, my new builds haven't had any sata deaths. I don't use them, but my kids do. To think it was the psu killing my drives all those years.

[grizzled bloom]

SATA death is quite common with lower quality power supplies

[compact zenith]

Reminds me. I did a temp repair on all but one of the dead drives, to move the data. I never followed up with segate to get a replacement bios. 8tb drive, and the controller board burned, taking the bios chip with it. One of the few things I just can't borrow from another hard drive.

I'm still pricing out the 79503dx. Seen some Asus and Gigabyte combos, and researching the hell out of them.

Can these new motherboards run MSdos? I have a bunch of old 600mb boot drives I or my wife would attach to older systems to play some of the old retro Origin systems and Sierra games.

Brb

[grizzled bloom]

Natively? No. But you can run DOSbox.

[compact zenith]

Natively. Problem with running retro games, even with Dos box is a lot of them with fabulous voice and sound tracks, won't work with dosbox, unless the game is updated with new sound files to work on today's systems. Something GOG has done with many titles. If you ever listened to let's say Ultima 6 Boot and intro with a Roland MT32 and sound blaster, you'd most likely notice some old music, is actually better than today's game music. Think the only title from today's era that actually moved me was Ori and the Blind forest.

[dull flint]

I just realised, why is he smiling? Lmfao

[compact zenith]

Welcome to California 🙄

[dull flint]

What

[compact zenith]

The smiling, the bag looks like it has a joint in it

[grizzled bloom]

People smash and grab cars in broad daylight here

With you in the car

[dull flint]

He's changing a tire

[grizzled bloom]

No one that has ever changed a tire has held the tire iron like that

[dull flint]

At least fal's has associated context lmao

Ya I'll give you that he definitely looks nothing like changing a tire 💀

I see no bag and no joint

[compact zenith]

Past month and a half, there was two incidents where car owners were pulled out of their cars, when children were still in back seat.
.

Oh no?

I used to smoke heavily by my PC. Something I no longer do after having to spend 4 days cleaning the tar off everything.

[dull flint]

Ya what are you yapping about

The pic of a man kicking a car has no bag

☠️

[compact zenith]

I musta been looking at wrong image

[dull flint]

💀

[long geyser]

But also, why is he kicking the tire?

[dull flint]

Ikr

Fr

[cerulean fjord]

intel just wants to flex with that 9w pentium in reality its gonna have like 4,000 multi-core geekbench score

[vagrant mist]

They took the page out of their Intel voltage limit bios updatw

And turned it into an entire feature

[cerulean fjord]

if they release that amd is screwed

will lose a hefty portion of the market

[grizzled bloom]

AMD already has good low wattage parts though. Like almost every current and previous gen console. And we already know Intel tried and failed to meet Sony's standards for the PS6.

[cerulean fjord]

still at least 3000 predicted multi core for only 9 watts is getting them some attention

they would make it their whole personality i9 with 90w tdp

[grizzled bloom]

They have that, it's called the 14900. It has a base power TDP of 65W.

The K model goes up to 125W

[cerulean fjord]

still the pentium gonna be 10%-110% more efficient than this 14900

given that its only having a 9w tdp

thats if theyre taking their efficiency cores from this 14900

[cerulean fjord]

its -10%

[hollow thorn]

I mean the 1260u already exists, 9w tdp, 6346 geekbench multicore score, don't think that has made any waves yet

[cerulean fjord]

its a laptop nobody gafs about laptops

[hollow thorn]

so we're supposed to care about something that's going to perform worse than what's already available on a laptop?

it'll probably be impressive in some way but 3000 multicore score for 9w isn't that crazy

[cerulean fjord]

its gonna be used for offices and 3000 is the lowest possible for 2 cores

at least 3000”

[cerulean fjord]

and its 28 not 9

[hollow thorn]

TDP is 9w, 28w boost

It's Intel finagling numbers

[cerulean fjord]

then the score is with the boost

which makes it 28% less efficient than 14900

[grizzled bloom]

I'll be impressed when I see a real world use case that isn't already filled

[cerulean fjord]

it could gradually change the market

[grizzled bloom]

Why buy a new $75 pentium when a 12100 works better?

[cerulean fjord]

thats not how market works, other manufacturers will take notice and try to be better increasing competition

[grizzled bloom]

What do you mean that's not how it works? You can absolutely compete against yourself.

Intel did it for years with 14nm

[cerulean fjord]

yes but now the competition is more intense

it will not go unnoticed

[lyric turret]

@grizzled bloom

Turns out it was a ram issue

The Dram light is on stil?

Though

[cerulean wadi]

Go in windows and/or leave pc on then see if dram led is off after 10 minutes.

[dull flint]

Nice, so you just need to get a ram kit worth keeping then

Where's my nickel

@cursive epoch I won, you won't be sold into slavery now

[lyric turret]

Mhm any suggestions

This is the set I’m using rn

[dull flint]

The same kit that failed on you but a new kit of it

Silicon power value 2x16 6000 CL30, $88

If you want a different experience, teamgroup t force t create 2x16 6000 CL30, $89

Same sticks underneath just a different brand

[lyric turret]

Ight

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NZhv6h/silicon-power-xpower-pulse-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-sp032gxlwu64afdjad
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cnbTwP/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl32-memory-f5-6000j3238f16gx2-fx5
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RBqrxr/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-ctcwd532g6400hc32adc01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LTcG3C/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-ff3d532g5600hc32dc01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DzRwrH/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-su032gxlwu60afdesk

Here's a list of links

Pick any

The choice doesn't matter

They'll all perform just about the same (And can be otherwise adjusted to do so)

All the same underneath just click the buy link

[lyric turret]

Thx

@dull flint maybe this why the first ram didn’t work v

[dull flint]

No

It was faulty

You.lost the lottery, that's all

It's not brand, it's not quality

It was just doa

You managed to get a faulty kit, it happens

There's no greater explanation, it was just broken in the box 😂

[potent dew]

Is Kingston Fury Beast good memory?

Looking for a 16G kit to go with a 8600G

Would also take other CPU suggestions, this is to go in a Mini-ITX build for mostly non-intensive work, replacing a 3200G with AM5 and ITX

8600G is probably overkill but it seems to be the best priced AM5 chip with an iGPU, PCPP shows the 8500G is only a whole $15 less

[cerulean wadi]

Fury is fine. Until someone else adds input, I'll actually put out a 32GB option for $30 more. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cY9wrH/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl38-memory-ctced532g6000hc38adc01

[vast meadow]

brands of ram really dont matter get the cheapest available for the capacity, speed (mhz) and latency (CL - lower is better) that you want

[potent dew]

I actually have the CL34, 6000MHz version of that kit in mine

I've been thinking about getting more because I've been bottlenecking on it recently while working on multiple things

Browser, Discord, Spotify, IDEs, games when I'm modding

[potent dew]

Wait I think it's the 30

Yeah, 30

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H9CZxr/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ctced532g6000hc30dc01

So I guess the options are, get that one or upgrade mine and put my current one in the Mini-ITX build

[cerulean wadi]

That into other pc then perhaps look into a 2x24 kit uness you need a full 64GB

[potent dew]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking

[prime comet]

How are the current Intel CPUs holding up? Been debating on the switch to amd

[vast meadow]

Roughly

They've been holding up poorly

A load of 13th and 14th gen had degraded because intel goofed hard, only released a fix like a month ago (13th gen is almost 2 yrs old now)

[prime comet]

That's kind of what I've been hearing. I built my wife a decent work PC in March and it seems to be holding up ok. Is it to the point of rolling dice however

[grizzled bloom]

Some of them don't even work with stock settings in some games, they crash when you try to compile shaders so it doesn't even launch.

That's less of an issue now but it can and does still happen until you update your BIOS, and if you have an affected CPU then there's no amount of updates that can fix it.

[potent dew]

Why do memory controllers seem to be behind, technologically speaking?

[grizzled bloom]

That's how it's always been

The tech for the memory chips is always leaps and bounds higher than what is possible in a typical setup

We're well above 12k for memory speeds now, but the DIMM interface and memory controllers aren't capable of that yet

CAMM gets decently faster due to shorter traces and better signal integrity

[potent dew]

Oh

[dim cloak]

So I found a I7-12700t for $110 and was wondering if that would be good enough for a mini server since Ill probably throw my current kit at it and switch to DDR5 for my main

[vast meadow]

the t cpus are pretty power restricted at that stage id probably just look into a 2nd hand 12700 or something

[dim cloak]

I wanted a low wattage higher core CPU and that seemed to fair in my results search

[burnt spear]

Does it need to be lga1700?

[dim cloak]

Not necessarily just itx motherboard preferably since I'll be tossing it in a Jonsbo TK-0 White and I have more familiarity with Intel

Quick run down is a mini server for hosting on a mc server (10 people at max but the ram is where I'll need the 64gb but im opting for 96gb) for the rest to be storage for my blender projects and rest for movies since I'll be more reliant on integrated graphics to do encode and decode

[cerulean wadi]

Small example VS stock 12600k, 12700t possibly 15-20% slower multicore, 6-10% single core. Although, that supposed 99w max turbo power is pretty good.

[dull flint]

@dim cloak 7500f + a620i might be a plan b if you have any leftover ddr5

[burnt spear]

whats the budget?

i remember 9000 series being very efficient

[dim cloak]

Budget is roughly under $800

And I've thought about the 7500f but I also seen a 7600 for $130

[burnt spear]

Ram is kinda a cop out but if you don't need a dgpu
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8WQFFs

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scpqKX

Cheaper def a 7500f/7600

[grizzled bloom]

Minecraft servers use at most 4 cores and thrive on strong single cores. You'd be much better off with a 13600 non K.

Or an AMD part like Bacca recommended

Any AM5 part really

Again, strong single threads are what you want. If you can afford it then AMD 9000 is crazy efficient. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5159vs4830vs5648vs6205vs6199/Intel-i5-13600-vs-Intel-i7-12700T-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-7500F-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-9700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-9600X

[white pelican]

whenever i boot up my pc the bios shows a yellowish light, what is that indicating?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably that it's booting

[white pelican]

is that it tho? cause it takes at least 5 minutes for it to fully boot up

[meager elbow]

if it's booting, then yeah

though 5 mins is a while, are you using a hdd for boot? because 5 minutes is more like a fast hdd

not really sure what else would cause a system to take 5 or more minutes to boot up every time

well, i guess ram training, but that's just the first boot when you do some hardware changes

maybe the cmos battery is dead?

[white pelican]

i only have an ssd i think i just didnt prioritize it right maybe?

[meager elbow]

idk what else would cause the system to do ram training every boot

if it even is that

[grizzled bloom]

Do you mean the light stays on for about 5 minutes or it takes 5 minutes to reach the desktop?

[grizzled bloom]

Memory context restore disabled
It's good for stability actually

[meager elbow]

huh

well, makes sense

[white pelican]

light stays yellow for like 3-5 minutes before turning white and then abt 30secs-1min before reaching the desktop

[grizzled bloom]

And you're on the latest bios?

[white pelican]

i had that option on auto then enabled it

[white pelican]

pretty sure

i can check again

[meager elbow]

if im understanding correctly, the ram is training every boot then

[white pelican]

lemme restart again with the memory option enabled

oh shoot it was that

took like less than a minute

sorry for trouble thank u

[grizzled bloom]

Happy to help

Disabling that helps with unstable systems which is why they likely have the "auto" option mean disabled

If you have blue screens after rebooting then disable it again, but if it's stable then it's fine

[worthy torrent]

Can someone please message me, my PC won’t turn on or anything. Not RGB light no fans spinning, no indicator light on my motherboard or anything. Tried a different power supply and still nothing. Please message me.

[warm hemlock]

Check the button

The power supply button

[worthy torrent]

I did. Tried to plug and unplug it and I tried to jump it and nothing

[warm hemlock]

Check the pic i sent in dm

[scenic solar]

Anyone knows or has an image showing where the bios chip is physically located on a MSI z370 gaming pro carbon?

I know sometimes theyre placed near the chipset, might be under the heatsink...?

The problem is that most of the chips I see on the board look identical to a bios one

[cursive epoch]

I can help you identify it

I have no idea where it is, but I think I know what a bios chip looks like with enough digging

[white pelican]

what are the possibilites for a red motherboard indicator

[hollow thorn]

Generally that's one of the debug LEDs lighting up, you need to look closer to see which one it is. If it goes away after boot, it's normal, most motherboards will cycle through them during boot, and if it gets stuck, you know roughly where the problem is.

[white pelican]

how do i check a cpu issue if the display doesnt turn on when i boot it up

[hollow thorn]

reseat the CPU

[jade hamlet]

There isn't a chat to ask about it, but I think MOBO comes close enough. My PC isn't turning on after I installed an NZXT internal USB hub and a Cooler Master ARGB controller.

Been wearing rubber soled sandals while working on it, so I don't think it's friction related.

[meager elbow]

friction? lmao

is it turning on when you remove the stuff you installed?

i assume you aren't seeing any display at all, so maybe try clearing cmos

[jade hamlet]

Let me try.

[jade hamlet]

Already tried that. The fans start spinning for like a second and then stop as soon as they start.

Tried removing the new stuff and it still isn't doing anything.

[meager elbow]

hmm

have you removed the gpu or such while adding/removing the components?

also are there any debug leds on

[jade hamlet]

Nope, nothings been removed, only added stuff. And there is no LEDs on that I can see.

[meager elbow]

Hmm

[meager elbow]

Do they turn on at all while you try to turn on the pc

Do any fans spin at all?

If there's absolutely nothing happening when you press the power button, I would recommend taking off the front panel connector and shorting the power button header with a screwdriver to see if that starts the pc

If that doesn't do anything, your psu or MOBO could be dead

[white pelican]

is a cpu idling at 50C good?

[grizzled bloom]

Idle temp doesn't matter

Most of the time motherboards will lean towards being quiet rather than being cool

[white pelican]

ok cause my cpus kinda been on and off with usage like it peaks to 90% but there arent that many programs running

[grizzled bloom]

That's normal if you're looking at task manager, it's awful at reading real stats

[white pelican]

ok thanks

hwmonitor's a more accurate program right?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, though I prefer hwinfo64 personally

[limber dragon]

Even hwinfo64 can be off, as that % usage is just measuring how many clock cycles are being used, of the total available.

Case in point a memory test at 100% usage and pulling 50w vs a cpu test at 100% usage and 300w

[grizzled bloom]

That's why instead of usage % I prefer to look at the effective clocks

[covert cloud]

I just updated the Mb drivers and it downloaded these apps do I need them? Or I just delete them?

[jade hamlet]

What would kill a PSU or Mobo?

[dull flint]

Shouldn't really need any except the rgb which probably can be controlled with openrgb

[dull flint]

A really bad short

If you remove what you installed, does the pc come back to life?

i.e the hub and usb controller

[covert cloud]

so i delete all of them then? by shift+del?

[dull flint]

Sure, delete and uninstall unless you see any of them useful

One might be a driver updater or bios updater

Those can be convenient

Saves you crawling the website for it basically

Otherwise less bloat is more better

[jade hamlet]

It's a bit of a confusing one, but pretty much yep. I installed the SATA power cable that connected to both to a PATA/SATA port on the PSU and the computer doesn't turn on.

Bit of a pain.

[dull flint]

So if it comes back, then yeah buggered new items need a warranty claim or return

Process of elimination

[covert cloud]

can i control my ram rgb and mb rgb from the openrgb?

[dull flint]

Should be able to yes

It's intended to be an open spec to bring all them together

[jade hamlet]

Always my luck on the line. 🙄

Working computer is better though I suppose.

[dull flint]

Luck of the draw, I had a 7950X3D melt it's I/O chip a couple weeks ago and I've just found out the RMA is successful today

Sucks but it is what it is

[jade hamlet]

That's such a pain. Good CPU too.

[dull flint]

Ikr. More AMD rma's are from out of the box problems than anything else

[jade hamlet]

What's the chances that both the Argb controller and USB Hub are busted.

[dull flint]

Almost as much as a lightning strike

Try one then the other

The only other chance could be your psu running over spec on the minor rails

But no life whatsoever rules that out

PSU won't kick without knowing it has a problem, so it won't kick because it has a problem

[jade hamlet]

I replaced my CPU recently and went from a 560 Platinum to an 850 Gold.

[dull flint]

What 850 gold specifically

[jade hamlet]

Corsair 850E.

[dull flint]

Whole name pls

850e rm ok

What cpu and gpu

[jade hamlet]

I7-9700K and a 3060Ti.

Cheap 3060Ti from a company called Gainward/Ghost.

[dull flint]

Oh yeah, unless you had enough rgb to floodlight a construction site then it's not too much minor rail voltage

[jade hamlet]

😀

[dull flint]

It's one or the other faulty I'm fairly sure

[jade hamlet]

Such a damn pain, I now need to unplug the USB Hub and replug the AIO.

I should honestly just buy myself a new MOBO and go to the troubles of rebuilding everything.

[dull flint]

I mean, process of elimination works so

I can't fix the extra work involved between tho lol

[dull flint]

9700K still fine imo for a 3060ti

Wait a year longer, 9800x3d will be on sale at this time, and mobos will still be cheap, ram may be even cheaper

Straightforward pick imo

[jade hamlet]

I don't do AMD or Ryzen.

[dull flint]

Your K will turn into an X, it'll gain 100 pounds and try and reach the 3rd dimension

[jade hamlet]

Lmao.

💀

[dull flint]

There's really no difference these days. I've used both for a long time

Feels the same runs the same

[jade hamlet]

Gotta get a different mobo if I switch. So maybe a future task.

[dull flint]

Ya

I'd keep waiting

Just fix the controllers now, now isn't the best time to upgrade by convenience imo

[jade hamlet]

Hope black Friday brings some good deals.

[dull flint]

Hopefully

[jade hamlet]

Smart man with a great plan my friend.

[dull flint]

They don't pay me to sell you a newegg item so

[jade hamlet]

You're losing money here pal.

[dull flint]

Oh no

I'll be $0 less by tomorrow

@grizzled bloom i need a raise

At least $1/hr, I can't live on 0/hr

I could afford bread with my cardboard box house with a raise

🥺

[jade hamlet]

@dull flint Could there be a problem with the SATA cable?

👀

[dull flint]

Possible

Very possible tbh

[white pelican]

how frequently should thermal paste be applied to the cpu

[burnt spear]

when temps become an issue

[cerulean wadi]

If "decent" normal paste like mx4/mx6, oftentimes it's good for 3+ years.

[verbal mural]

The second PCIE bracket came off during a simple GPU removal

On a new mobo

Is there a way I can put the bracket back on or is this an RMA issue

[dull flint]

I don't want to sound cruel but rma, and good luck

A lot of companies will label that as user damage and void warranty, sucks but it's really difficult to follow up on

Good reason to buy from places like amazon that offer super reasonable return policies

Actually

...

@verbal mural

Can you zoom in on the upper left corner of your picture, snap another one

That's not what normal ripped pcie slot damage looks like

That looks odd, like it was never slotted in properly

The fingers would've come off with the slot, not stayed on the board

I need to see better detail of it

[meager elbow]

how da hail

[dull flint]

I'm almost tempted to say it mightn't be damaged

I've never seen this before

[meager elbow]

the only way i could imagine this happening is like, since this is a 4x slot with a 16x plastic thing, removing a gpu in it without clicking the tab first could make it pull out, but there's still the metal holding that end of the plastic in

[dull flint]

I'm thinking the plastic slot was never properly in to begin with

[meager elbow]

it could be that as well, or both

could be not properly put in, but secure enough to pass qc, then fell off while a bit of extra force either from bumping or pulling on it made it come out

[dull flint]

Ya looks weird af

That might in fact get approved rma

Or better yet just pop back in without issue

[verbal mural]

It looks like a defect not damage

Though it could just be it was not put together properly to begin with

Since I got it from best buy, Asus' website insisted I call best buy

And now Best Buy is telling me to call Asus

Gave me the phone number. Wants me to get an RMA from them, then I can call best buy and get further support

[dull flint]

Your answer is best buy

Best buy palmed you off

[verbal mural]

Asus is speaking with me, after looking up my serial number they didn’t ask me to call, bestbuy back so..

[dull flint]

Ok see what they say then

[verbal mural]

I sent them four photos

[dull flint]

It's definitely not normal

If you damaged it, those metal tabs would be ripped off

Not normal

[verbal mural]

They are still waiting on my email to go through

[dull flint]

Extremely weird

[verbal mural]

They are gonna give me an RMA number

But said it would be likely I would have to pay for the repair cost

Based on the photos

Before I do anything I will be calling back Best Buy to see why they wanted me to call them back after I got an RMA number

[dull flint]

Why the hell is it an rma number if they make you pay for repairs

How is this not a warranty claim for unusual defect

That sounds sus af

@verbal mural

Do yourself a favour

Go see if you can find any emails GN might have for Asus rma problems

That response they gave sounds like another big red flag imo

@verbal mural watch this series
https://youtu.be/7pMrssIrKcY

They have report links in the descriptions for being charged for warranty behaviour

Arm yourself with info, I have never seen something like this before and I'm very sure it shouldn't look like this if you tried to damage it

I think you have a motherboard with a poorly attached slot is what I see

[verbal mural]

That’s what I think too

[dull flint]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/s/mS1pxM2kj9

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/DgN1AsdImT

https://www.reddit.com/r/pchelp/s/M8hWrR6cwv

Signs pointing to snip snip if they won't take the warranty

Not broken if you have the knowhow to reattach it

[verbal mural]

Seems more worth it to just try and fix it myself, seeing as how BestBuy is now being obstinate. Told me to call back once I had the RMA number even though I am outside of the return period to get further assistance, and the person I am on the phone with now has no idea what the prior person was talking about

And that lead to nothing

Ok, so

Not buying from Asus again, and will have to see if I can fix this issue by myself a bit later as I have other stuff to do today

Thanks for the resources

[dull flint]

What mobo is this btw

[verbal mural]

The Asus Tuf Gaming X570 Plus (Wifi)

[dull flint]

What makes this problem so uniquely ridiculous is you'd have to rip off all those pins to have it be user damage

The plastic slot just wasn't attached to the board properly

X570 is...interesting for a 2024 choice but the problems you're having don't look like your fault to me

I think it could be fixed, being charged for the fix is ridiculous if you just tried the gpu once and it popped off

[verbal mural]

I didn’t have the money to do a complete upgrade

That will have to wait till next year

New mobo, processor, ram, etc

[verbal mural]

Since I am on medical leave now though I can’t really afford to go through this nonsense they will want to put me through on further review

Just feeling tempted to put my non wireless motherboard back in and throw away the Asus board

I got the new mobo and stuff before the medical condition came about so…The timing is bad

[potent dew]

Do the 5700X and 5700X3D really perform any differently?

Or would it be a better deal to just get a 5800X

I mostly use Passmark for performance comparisons but it doesn't really tell you anything about gaming with X3Ds and makes them appear worse in general

Options being considered, 2700X is what's currently in my brother's computer
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3869vs5884vs4814vs3238/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X3D-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X

[grizzled bloom]

Extremely differently. The cache on the 3D chips nets about a 20% gain in games.

It makes the 5700X3D comparable to the newer 7600 in most titles

Even accounting for the higher speed memory on the AM5 boards

[scenic solar]

If you want I can remove the pch heatsink

[grizzled bloom]

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/msi-z370-gaming-pro-carbon-bricked-bios.391991/

[dull flint]

Yeah that looks like it

[grizzled bloom]

The giveaway here is it's next to the SPI programmer header

[cursive epoch]

yeah

looks like bios

[dull flint]

Lmfao I didn't see that

[grizzled bloom]

You could use the JSPI1 header to flash if you have trouble clamping onto the chip

[cursive epoch]

why i know what a bios chip looks like is well..

let's say i tried modding my old laptop's bios

it failed horribly

[grizzled bloom]

BIOS modding is fun. I tried adding nvme boot and uefi support to a xeon board that doesn't support either. It failed but at least not in a spectacular way.

[scenic solar]

I've always wondered what that was for, thanks a lot. Ill try my best and hope to get this mb to work

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.flashrom.org/user_docs/msi_jspi1.html

Yours would be the 6x2 pinout

[scenic solar]

I do not have a female connector for the JSPI1 pins

So i guess ill just stick to the clamp

[grizzled bloom]

Your programmer didn't come with one? Oh well.

You could hack one together pretty easily if you really need to

[scenic solar]

Clamp stays in place firmly so...

[grizzled bloom]

All good then

[potent dew]

So 5700X3D > 5800X?

[grizzled bloom]

For gaming, yes by far

[potent dew]

I think it's going to be upgraded soon too, but would the GPU being a 2060 affect the 5700X3D's performance?

[grizzled bloom]

Not really, if anything since you're likely playing at a lower resolution using a 2060 the CPU is even more important

[potent dew]

Yeah, usually 1080p so alright

[grizzled bloom]

Especially if that's 1080p + DLSS

[potent dew]

1080p TV and the main monitor is my 144hz 1080p TN

It does run two displays too, sometimes with the TV also on

Kind of torturing the 2060 lol

It does hold up well to it though, even running two games at once

I'm surprised my old 2700X has held up as well as it has

Eh I guess it has only been six years, GPUs fall behind faster

[grizzled bloom]

I had a 2700 and I jumped up to a 5800X near launch. It doubled my FPS in my (heavily single threaded) MMO I was playing. And the 5700X3D would be even better.

[mild jackal]

Lots of chips will be sop8 - but easy to just google the inscription, probably starts with mxc something

[warm hemlock]

I have i5 9400f and im willing to upgrade. is the r5 5600 good or should i go with something else?

and what motherboard should i get for ryzen b550 or b650?

[burnt spear]

What's your budget to upgrade?

And are you open to ordering a cpu from aliexpress

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006123429937.html

[warm hemlock]

oh thats such a good deal

but it says that there aint no cooler with it

[warm hemlock]

idk i can keep saving money

till i get what i need

[burnt spear]

Yeah a $20 one would do the job

[burnt spear]

5600 isn't a big step up, I would go for either a 7500f with an am5 motherboard and ddr5, or a 12600kf and b660m pro rs

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WZsDrv

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pW26PF

[warm hemlock]

nice thx bro appreciate it

[warm hemlock]

is there any ddr4 motherboards with the 7500f recommendations?

i already got 32gb ram

[burnt spear]

Unfortunately no

Am5 is limited to ddr5

[warm hemlock]

oh

[burnt spear]

You'll either need to return/resell, or go for that 12600kf list

[warm hemlock]

alright i'll check them out

appreciate it

[burnt spear]

Np

[dull flint]

https://youtu.be/zhIXt1svQZg

Looks just like mine did after about 3 months

[white pelican]

ok when looking at overall cpu temps, is it better to find the true temperature by looking at the cpu core or the system?

[loud crater]

my display froze, the audio was still playing like normal and my caps lock key (it turns a different color when caps lock is on) wasnt changing color when i hit it, hitting the power button on the case didnt do anything, but holding it down until it turns off does, this has happened a lot before, what should i do?

[dull flint]

Is this the same guy I suggested a new windows to

[loud crater]

i was almost certain it was my gpu, but people have been saying that its not that

yea it is

i will probably just do that lmao

[dull flint]

Have you tried that yet

Lol yes please

[loud crater]

the problem is that it happens super randomly

[dull flint]

Save what you can off the drive, start clean

Yeah I understand

Problem is from memory you have 0x01 level corruption

[loud crater]

whats that?

[dull flint]

Which is frankly, the highest level string I've seen in years

Well

Microsoft errors range using codes

Using a system of 8 numbers to 0x00000000

I have often seen like, level 3, level 5

E.g 0x00000144

Or 0x000bx128

Or something like that

Yours is frankly the highest I've seen in ages

0x014xxxxx

Frankly to me it's so strange that I've ever seen the number go that high

Lol

[loud crater]

how can you tell its that number?

[dull flint]

if I recall that was the bsod code I saw

Windows is able to I guess, heal itself

However when problems are too deeply rooted

Think of it like, human infection

You catch a cold, not so bad, rest for a day, you get better

You catch pneumonia

You go to hospital, chance you mightn't survive

You catch cancer, it can become systemic

Terminal

[loud crater]

ohh

[dull flint]

The fact you couldn't sfc scan to me is like looking at a man with liver failure

Lol

[loud crater]

well atleast its not actually a human infection and i can just make a new body 💀

[dull flint]

Indeed lmao

You have a very seriously unstable system and I would still recommend starting windows over to set the record clean

[loud crater]

time to spend 100 hours reinstalling all my games

yea ill try that

[dull flint]

Think of it as a brain transplant

Lol

[loud crater]

oh dear lmao

[dull flint]

Ikr, it really sucks but if you have a spare drive, move things over

I would do a completely new install, so no windows reset

[loud crater]

i have a couple external hard drives laying around, im not gonna put games on it just my funny clips

[dull flint]

High level corruption carries over so a complete wipe and restart would be ideal

That's fine

Whichever you prefer

One more thing

Sign your account into settings

It'll let you save the windows license

So no need for a new one

Oem should work as well if it's a pre-built

So should be no change of hands in this

If after all that you still have issues, I suspect psu, ssd, or on the off chance cpu

Do you own a ryzen?

Ryzen cpus I've learned over the years can have very fickle issues sometimes. I recently rma'd my own. It was "stable" in all tests but it would crash if I had too many usb's plugged in

Turned out the io die unalive'd itself

[loud crater]

nah its intel

[dull flint]

Oh I remember, 12400f

Sorry

[loud crater]

finally a reason to buy intel over amd lmao

np

[dull flint]

Hmmm, might still be related

Anyway give it a try

I am still not convinced it's the gpu rn

[loud crater]

i dont have activated windows 💀

[dull flint]

If you got tons of black or grey screen restarts, driver resets, space invaders etc

[loud crater]

so i wont need to sign in lmao

[dull flint]

Then I'd think gpu

Ah alr

All good

[loud crater]

space invaders???

[dull flint]

Yeah space invaders

It's a cute name for vram death

[loud crater]

ohhh lmao

[dull flint]

It literally looks like space invaders cover your screen

So it adopted the name lol

Anyway, lots to do, but let me know if the issues still persist

Depending on the nature of them we can further rule things out

[loud crater]

ok thanks so much for all the help

[dull flint]

It's all good, drop another message in the server if you need more help, we float around

Best to cross the free things off as a-ok before we talk things that cost money like new gpus lol

[loud crater]

xd yea

well i got a one year warrenty on the gpu so if i do need to do that it wont be too bad

and with older amd prices going down soon i might actually get a free upgrade lol

[dull flint]

That would be great if that happens for sure

[loud crater]

how should i delete all data on my ssd?

[dull flint]

Go to bios, advanced section, then go to search

Type "secure erase"

It should pop up with the option

You pick the ssd with windows on it to secure erase

If that doesn't work you may need to check your motherboard manual

They all do it differently

[loud crater]

ok ty

are you sure a fresh install is required and i couldnt just reset?

[dull flint]

10000% sure yes

Reset tries to redo an already broken install, so you get carry-over corruption

Secure erase and reinstall completely recreates the registry

So anything that could be corrupted that could still be used is gone

[loud crater]

ok ty

[vagrant mist]

Basically don't trust windows to do things

[gritty pagoda]

Im truing to find a reason to go AMD with my Pc upgrade but the 14600K seems to beat them at $200 in every way

[gritty pagoda]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kq3YpB This is my upgrade plan.

[burnt spear]

Do you alr have the aio?

And the 3070 ti?

Because if you're paying $700 for one in 2024 I'm very sorry

[gritty pagoda]

Yes.

I paid that back in COVID.

[burnt spear]

Ah alr

[gritty pagoda]

Would definitely of bought a 3080 or 4080 instead now.

I'm afraid the AIO wont have the LGA bracket though.

Since I'm using the i9-10850k and bought it back in 2020.

Can I buy bracket's for it individually, would it come with the motherboard, or should I just get a new AIO since I'm replacing all my enermax fans for Thermaltake.

[burnt spear]

You should be able to contact the manufacturer for a bracket

[white pelican]

just for the future, what should i upgrade my ryzen 5 7600 to (not sure of the upgrade path)

[burnt spear]

What fans were you looking at?

[burnt spear]

Also, the reason I would rather a 7600 over a 13600k/14600k is you have an upgrade path

Drop in a 9800x3d or similar down the line and you have a 30-40% upgrade

Also much easier to cool, if you did need a new cooler a $20 heatsink is more than fine

[burnt spear]

9800x3d

[white pelican]

also why i picked the 5 7600

[white pelican]

woah is that even out yet

[burnt spear]

Not yet but soon enough from what falcie has told me

[gritty pagoda]

usually i upgrade based on new technology

[white pelican]

so i got a while

[burnt spear]

Wdym?

[gritty pagoda]

i dunno

im 4 generations back for intel rn

i9-10850k

With this upgrade I get

4 more cores
Better power efficiency
DDR5 / higher memory bandwidth
New PCIe

Also handing down old parts to my brother is a tradition; he swaps the i7-9700k, and older mobo, and gets more ram.

Also doesn't the i9-14900k perform very well too?

[burnt spear]

Ehh

Depends what you use the pc for

It's like 3-4% better in games

[gritty pagoda]

These are my options:

Ryzen 7 5700X3D $195
Intel i5-14600k $199
Ryzen 7 7700X $266
Ryzen 9 5900X $204

Like I think my best bet is the 14600k currently.

I wish the Ryzen 9000 series would be more affordable.

[burnt spear]

if youre just gaming 7600x should be on the table imo

7600x/14600k/7700x/5700x3d are within 1-2% of eachother in most titles

5900x is about 15-20% worse

also check out neweggs combo up savings event, there's some good cpu/mobo/ram combos with it

[gritty pagoda]

7600x is $10 more
7700x is $40 more

[dull flint]

14600K is quicker

Set it up properly it can hang with the 7000x3d's almost

[gritty pagoda]

I get more cores, threads, and even a 2% overall boost in average performance.

[dull flint]

5700x3d would be if you already own a good am4 motherboard

[gritty pagoda]

I don't.

I am running an i9-10850k currently.

[burnt spear]

not by much, and i'd rather an easier to cool cpu/upgradability personally

[gritty pagoda]

When I upgrade in 4 years, it will be to go to DDR6 and a new chipset.

[dull flint]

It'd have to be within $50 to call it worth it for an upgradeable platform imo

Otherwise you can literally just flip board and cpu anyway

One extra step

Not worth diving for more than that in price imo

Other big thing about that too

We only really have one more gen on the way after 9000 series

And 9000 is looking like a waste of time lol

[gritty pagoda]

I am going with the ASRock B760M PG Riptide Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard for $110. Wish I could get a high quality ATX motherboard at that price, but this one seems best price performance.

[burnt spear]

x3d of that gen would still be what, a 50-60% upgrade over a 7600x?

[dull flint]

No

Noooooo

15% at most

[burnt spear]

???

whatever gen after 9000 series x3d?

[dull flint]

7800x3d??

Oh that

That last jump may be big due to i/o upgrade

[gritty pagoda]

Guys... Im tryna stay within $400 for a cpu, mobo, and 32gb ram.

[dull flint]

We're aware, not talking 7000x3d

14600K/F+b760m pg riptide + 32gb 6000MHz t-create is $400 on the dot

[gritty pagoda]

Actually its $390

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kq3YpB

[dull flint]

Look at me I'm doing better

💀

It's all up inside my brain so good enough

[gritty pagoda]

Keeping your recepts in the best storage possible, the brain.

[dull flint]

Are you near a micro center

[gritty pagoda]

Miamish sure.

Checked online, they kinda no deals.

[burnt spear]

7600x3d bundle at $450 is fantastic

[dull flint]

Mmmm miami be open??

[gritty pagoda]

yep

1 month ago

[dull flint]

They just had two hurricanes lol

[gritty pagoda]

they got hit less than us.

[dull flint]

I see, ok

[gritty pagoda]

i was in tampa area for this hurricane

[dull flint]

Omfg

[gritty pagoda]

it took our pool cage

[dull flint]

I've seen too much tampa footage

Ong

Did you get hit by the surge?

[gritty pagoda]

nope

no surge

purely windy

ngl i dont think it even rained.

[dull flint]

Damn

[gritty pagoda]

helene was a surge.

This hurricane weakend quickly, was moving fast enough to keep it short, and we were in the eye (not the south or east).

[dull flint]

If you can stretch to this, this is the best one

Micro center

[gritty pagoda]

Not a joke. But the eye lasted roughly an hour. Went outside and people are walking their dog.

[burnt spear]

about 15% better

[dull flint]

You were against the eyewall??

Good lord

I saw so much wind and rain on video

The rain was being swept off the ground

😳

[gritty pagoda]

It was like sprinkling rain.

[dull flint]

[gritty pagoda]

Wind went mad.

[dull flint]

All the power going on and off

Lol

[gritty pagoda]

Lost power for 24 hours and that's it.

[dull flint]

Wow

[gritty pagoda]

If I do some other work than games, is the 7600x3d really worth it?

[dull flint]

Define the work

[gritty pagoda]

Yeah it gets like a 20 FPS boost, but also loses the 8 cores and 8 threads.

[burnt spear]

there's the 7700x bundle

[dull flint]

I'm not feeling 7700x rn

Not with intel this cheap

[burnt spear]

it was like $350 for the bundle

sale should still be up

[dull flint]

Ok nvm that's not that bad

[gritty pagoda]

9700x bundle is same price

[dull flint]

It's about the same performance too

[burnt spear]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006710/amd-ryzen-7-7700x,-gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

9700x bundle shows $450 for me

[gritty pagoda]

The gas to miami gonna cost me more than the CPU itself...

[dull flint]

9700x didn't improve in the way of consumer boosts like cpus normally do

[gritty pagoda]

So include a $60 bus ride.

[dull flint]

Eh that's kinda meh then

14600K/F gets my vote, whichever is cheaper

[gritty pagoda]

8 hours of driving...

[dull flint]

That's not MC

[burnt spear]

yeah nahh

[dull flint]

Also I asked if it was close I don't know where you are

[burnt spear]

nearby to me is within an hour and a half

[dull flint]

That^

[gritty pagoda]

I feel like I will benefit from multi-core performance for my adobe use, coding, and possible 3D modelling.

Game-wise, I don't play anything insane, I also play 1080p (might move to 1440p)

[gritty pagoda]

Nearby to me is within my state.

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PJV9wg

Do this

[gritty pagoda]

14600k is cheaper

[dull flint]

With free delivery?

[gritty pagoda]

14600k $200 free delivery newegg

It is backordered rn, but I don't mind.

[burnt spear]

i would take a look at the newegg combo builder still

or i can in a lil bit

in a game atm

[gritty pagoda]

Or wait for intel core ultra 5 whatever that is

[dull flint]

Yep alr, 14600k makes sense

[dull flint]

Nah

[gritty pagoda]

But the box is black

It must be 10x better.

[dull flint]

Try 0.1% better

💀

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yKFcQP

Boop

[gritty pagoda]

CL38 to CL30 for $5?

[burnt spear]

Newegg combo deals isnt great atm

$310 5700x3d b550m pro se and 32gb ddr4, but thats abt it

[dull flint]

Yes

The CL means nothing but the ram you get is a completely different speed underneath

Runs faster

CL30 is just one way of finding the fast kind

[gritty pagoda]

k

lol wait a min lemme calculate mathematics

[dull flint]

I could give you 2 articles you could spend about an hour reading or take my word for it

Lol

[gritty pagoda]

No it good

CL30 > CL38

[dull flint]

"CL30 = Hynix = Gud fast stonks"

[gritty pagoda]

smol number = big preform

[dull flint]

The CL itself means nothing

Hynix just trains to better timings

So xmp on hynix is much faster than other ram ic's

[gritty pagoda]

And I can probably ask enermax for a new bracket for free?

[dull flint]

What kind of enermax we talkin here

[gritty pagoda]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cX9fKX

[dull flint]

Ah yes, cloggermax

[gritty pagoda]

its been working fine for a while now

[dull flint]

Here's a fun factoid

Lga1200 mounts work for most lga1700

[gritty pagoda]

ok

[dull flint]

But don't expect good results

It'll work

But won't be ideal

@gritty pagoda if you still have issues, go pick up a $35 thermalright phantom spirit from amazon after you tried the aio

That one will be more than enough

[gritty pagoda]

It’s been running for years

[dull flint]

Talking about the contact to the cpu from coldplate

[gritty pagoda]

Oh

The socket type

[dull flint]

Most pre-lga1700 coolers were rubbish when they were migrated over

No

Coldplate shape

It's made for a square cpu not a rectangle

Pressure dispersion and coldplate convex shape isn't tailored

[gritty pagoda]

My case is a Lian Li O11 D. It would be a disgrace to put an air cooler

[dull flint]

Not really

I own 3 o11's

I was just working on the evo about 20 minutes ago before I logged on

Lol

[gritty pagoda]

I got the evo for $80 new so kinda fire

Finally gonna swap this old NR600

[dull flint]

What matters is you do two things

Front to back airflow, or side to back

And under gpu intake

[gritty pagoda]

Why not bottom to top

[dull flint]

Bottom to top for radiators

Chimney design isn't as good on dual towers

[gritty pagoda]

I don’t wanna risk my cpu with a wrong AIO

[dull flint]

You aren't risking anything

Lol

Here's another fun factoid

Phantom spirit has better cooling power than that enermax

[gritty pagoda]

Well should I use all the fan spots in my O11?

[dull flint]

Nah

Just bottom 3 is the only 3 you need

[gritty pagoda]

What about side

Bottom + side

And top

[dull flint]

Bottom side works

Positive pressure

[gritty pagoda]

Output on top and back

[dull flint]

You don't need all filled

[gritty pagoda]

4 output fans, 6 input fans

[dull flint]

Or just 6 input

[gritty pagoda]

No output?

[dull flint]

Ya don't need it

[dull flint]

Thermalright better contact means it beats basically everything over 3 years old for cooling

[gritty pagoda]

Not even one on the back to pull out the cpu air cooler hot air

[dull flint]

Nah doesn't really need it if you run dual tower

If you do the enermax and commit to the enermax, just bottom to top

3 in 3 out

[gritty pagoda]

Well the fans come in sets of 3, so 2 sets I guess

[gritty pagoda]

i bought the 14600k

got $15 in bonus back from capital one shopping 💀

i think imma wait on the mobo

that $110 one is only showing up at $120 on amazon

might aswell wait for a good atx mobo to go on sale

[keen cedar]

BOIS is it worth to upgrade to intel ultra series from 13th gen or go to the new AMD cpus? Kinda sick of the temps and finicky voltages so I was thinking AMD

[hollow thorn]

Either way wait for the next generation from both sides to actually be released and be reviewed

[gritty pagoda]

Wait a bit until you find out the new intel cpus are blowing up

If you don't like the temps, undervolt it or fix whatever cooling problem you may have.

[scenic iris]

Are the 13th and 14th Gen problems really fixed?

I'm looking at getting an i9 12900kf but I also am looking at the i5 14600k since the performance is similar but Newegg has a good deal on the 14th Gen i5

[burnt spear]

Yes

14600k/kf is definitely better value

Unless you're video editing, if you want to avoid 13th/14th gen id go am5

[scenic iris]

I'm really unfamiliar with AMD stuff which is why I've been avoiding it

Is there something AMD in that performance range that is at a better price?

[burnt spear]

If you've got a microcenter nearby, 7700x or 7600x3d bundle

7600x isnt bad value, 14600kf is better value but you don't have an upgrade path

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sYmJ34

[scenic iris]

The nearest micro center to me is like a 12 hour drive 💀

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NC48Cd

[burnt spear]

Dayum

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rwW2qR

[scenic iris]

I'm thinking an i5 14600k and then doing a combo on Newegg of an ASRock z790 riptide wifi, crucial pro 64gb, Samsung 990 pro 1tb, and a Corsair rm850e

And then on amazon I found a 420mm aio cooler

And i already have a case and a 2070 super

Anything I should change on it?

[burnt spear]

I wouldnt really

What are you using the pc for?

[scenic iris]

Games and stuff, tired of my POS computer not being able to run basic Minecraft 1.8.9

[burnt spear]

I wouldnt suggest most of that

Do you plan to cpu overclock at all?

If not, a z690 or z790 mobo wouldnt make much sense

64gb is also very unnecessary

[scenic iris]

Not at the moment but if the time is right and I need to id like the option

Yeah but 64gb is only a little more and I'm wanting to run beamng drive with mods

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pzQ8h3

[scenic iris]

I wanna somewhat future proof this computer since it's only a little bit more for the 64gb and for the z series

[burnt spear]

If its ddr4 you'd lose about 10% cpu performance, i think there's a relatively cheap 48gb kit rn

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pNd4Xk

[scenic iris]

It's ddr5 at 5600

[burnt spear]

And I'd get a 2tb ssd if that's the case

[burnt spear]

5600c46

Iirc

Very slow

[scenic iris]

Damn

[burnt spear]

If you wanted to use newegg combo savings id do 14600k z790 lightning wifi and a 1tb g50 or a 2tb ssd, idk didn't look through the 2tb options

[scenic iris]

What about silicon power ddr5 64gb 6000 at CAS 30

[burnt spear]

Thats fine but 48gb is cheaper and will do just as good

Technichally better since it's faster, and 64gb ram is harder on the cpu to run

If you're open to ram oc, id highly suggest looking into ram tuning

Some simple changes can make a pretty decent difference especially on ddr5

[scenic iris]

I used a ram latency calculator for a cheaper 64gb ddr5 kit and it's 16.43 nano seconds

Is it really that big of a difference between that and a more expensive on that is 12.667 nano seconds?

Or an even more expensive one at 10.667 nano seconds?

[sudden creek]

Do motherboards have a maximum bandwidth for the USB slots? I am wondering because if I use every USB slot hooked up to my motherboard some of my devices will disconnect and reconnect such as my headphones for example.

[karmic perch]

Does Intel 800-series only support one generation?

[grizzled bloom]

If you mean the newest generation of motherboard that was just announced, for now yes it will only support the new core ultra 200S series

[karmic perch]

Hmm, only one generation. Is it worth to buy? 🤔

[grizzled bloom]

It hasn't launched yet so I can't say for sure. Probably not. There may be another generation next year.
If you're gaming, wait for the 9800X3D that's launching on Nov 5th.

[karmic perch]

Not only gaming. AMD I’m not sure the platform is good for 3d modeling.

[dull flint]

Pcpp does basic calcs using cas latency, when cas latency is and has long been a useless measurement for ram

What matters is that cas latency (CL) helps tell us what kind of ram is inside

Typically CL32 or less = good hynix ram, long standing rule

You get hynix for ddr5, you're doing well

[dull flint]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

Sheesh you can't even call it Zen 5% any more. The margin is shrinking since Zen 4 is benefiting slightly more from the updates they've made.

[ripe tartan]

5800x3d ain’t lookin like too bad of an option now.

[hearty juniper]

I got a z390 with a 9700k, cant i upgrade to a better cpu? must i upgrade the mobo?

[burnt spear]

best cpu on that socket is a 9900k

not worth the money

[hearty juniper]

if ill pair a 7800xt with the newest intel cpu (the ultra which has just got announced), will i be able to play all the new call of duties in 3440x1440 144hz?

currently getting an avg of 100fps

[burnt spear]

yes but i likely wouldn't suggest that gen

id go 7600x, 13600k/14600k, or 9800x3d when it comes out

7600x3d or 7700x bundle if you have a microcenter nearby

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wD8TbL

[hearty juniper]

why dont you suggest that gen?

[burnt spear]

leaks show minor perf gains

[hearty juniper]

9800x3d will be the best choice?

[meager elbow]

Possibly

[hearty juniper]

and i thought i will need 7900xtx for 3440x1440 144hz in bo6.. yay :>

[burnt spear]

I mean, you won't be getting great settings

Imo I'd go for the 7900 gre if you can

But im planning to run bo6 on a 3060 ti at 1440p, not ultra wide tho

[hearty juniper]

ugh, bummer, i want ultra bultra :<

[hearty juniper]

9800x3d & rtx 5090 will be the best cpu&gpu in 2025?

[burnt spear]

I'd imagine so

7900 gre should do high settings in bo6

High and ultra are pretty similar visually

[spiral marlin]

Can someone tell me what infinity fabric frequency and dividers is? Mine is set to 2000MHz, I have 2x16 DDR5 ram 6000

And I just ran into a memory problem while playing Diablo and running discord

[loud crater]

i turned off the filtered keys hotkey in my windows settings and my amd software sidebar opened with nothing on it, does anyone know why?

[hearty juniper]

will bo6 or any other aaa game in 2025 will require above 16gb of memory if I want it to run at ultrawide/4k 120-165hz?

[dull flint]

Absolutely

[hearty juniper]

okie

thank god they are quite cheap nowdays in comparison to what was about 5 years ago

[hearty juniper]

so 9800x3d is am5, the 10800x3d will be am6? which will come out in like 1.5 years from now? so if ill buy a am5 mobo im not future proof? :<

[hollow thorn]

Iirc AMD promised 4 generations on am5, 10xxx prob still on am5, 11xxx prob next socket

[hearty juniper]

Cool

lirc meaning?

[hollow thorn]

If I recall correctly

The slide I was remembering was this

[meager elbow]

No such thing as future proof in tech
Always evolving

But in terms of your mobo, you're safe for now like mr1111 said

[hearty juniper]

Expect a 2000w psu lol

[meager elbow]

Well

That's impossible

For north america

At least on the typical outlets

[hearty juniper]

And nvme970

[meager elbow]

120v 15a outlets only support 1800VA

[meager elbow]

Nvme probably wouldn't be like that LMFAO
It's just a communication standard over PCIe for flash storage

Though PCIe may be changing soon ish

[hearty juniper]

I have a 1050w psu will it be enough for 5090 and 9800x3d?

[meager elbow]

Research into optical PCIe or whatever it was called is going on

[meager elbow]

Well, idk what their wattages would be, but it should be

Anything made for consumer products should probably draw under 1500w

Due to the limitations of the good old north american power grid

[gritty pagoda]

Any good LGA1700 motherboards under $120 at a really good discount right now? (If not, I’m willing to wait longer for better deals).

Also looking for DDR5 ram (<$90) and maybe a cooler (<$40) if u know a good bundle

[burnt spear]

Amazon warehouse has some great deals a lot or the time

[gritty pagoda]

Used stuff on Amazon?

[burnt spear]

Yeah

[gritty pagoda]

MSI MAG B760 Tomahawk WiFi Gaming for $110

Hmm

See motherboards are soo hard to pick

[burnt spear]

Good mobo

What condition is it?

My z690a pro wifi like two years ago was $127 after tax, ddr4 though. I think was good condition, came flawless

[gritty pagoda]

Nvm DDR4

[hearty juniper]

i just did a quick comparison between ddr4 3200 and ddr5 6000, was hopeful for a big leap and... nope :<

"ddr6 to be released in late 2025" T.T

[burnt spear]

Idt were getting ddr6 cpus for a hot minute

[burnt spear]

And its about a 10% difference from what I remember

Varies depending on the use

[grizzled bloom]

The memory always comes out before any other hardware can support it. GDDR7 has been around since July 2023 but there still isn't any GPU using it, at least not until next gen probably.

As far as comparing performance between DDR4 and DDR5, it's highly dependent on the specific test you're running. Some games see zero difference between them, while others have massive differences up to 40%.

[hearty juniper]

I wish for something like 9800x3d without a gpu inside of it, so the price will be lower. is it possible? such thing exist?

[grizzled bloom]

It does not exist

The iGPU is located on the IO die so it wouldn't be possible to make without redesigning the IO die

The 7500f is the exception, an experiment if you will (the GPU is still on it, just disabled, so it's technically not cheaper to make)

[gritty pagoda]

A iGPU is nice since it can help diagnose GPU problems

[distant gulch]

Id rather pay more for an igpu personally