cpus-mobo-and-memory

[grizzled bloom]

Google still had the page cached
(tRCD + tCL + BL)/(effective transfer rate/2000)

[hollow thorn]

Oh nice

[scenic solar]

Any particular differences between these two? Is it ok if i mix them on a system

*pc with no ecc support

[grizzled bloom]

Both guaranteed hynix (duh) but I don't know what die exactly. The timings are different so I doubt XMP will work right and you'll need to manually set things.
They're also quad rank RDIMMs so whether they'll work at all depends on the CPU and motherboard in question.

[scenic solar]

i7 4770 and hp 280 g1 mt motherboard (one of those older tower pcs)

I already got one ecc with a cheap bundle that had a cpu for my collection. Its 1866mts but I'm not sure if it will default to 1600 or lower (hopefully not) otherwise it's worse than the current 2*4g 1600mts

Oh wait I don't think I can do 32gigs, 16 max iirc

[grizzled bloom]

32GB max supported for the 4770, I'm looking at Ark now

[scenic solar]

https://support.hp.com/it-it/document/c04490781

I kept the original mobo

[grizzled bloom]

Ok so the reason your board only supports 16GB is because it only has 2 DIMM slots

[scenic solar]

A friend of mine has a 4 slot one that might be compatible with what I have but it takes many hours to disassemble the whole build

Just have to ask what model so I can get some specs

[grizzled bloom]

The 4 slot model that supports 32GB appears to be the G3 model that ships with 6th/7th gen CPUs

DDR4 only

[scenic solar]

No, I know my friend has a similar pc to this one and it uses a third gen cpu iirc

Ddr3 obviously

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm

[scenic solar]

Yet it has 4 slots

[grizzled bloom]

Well HP will still lock your memory speed to 1600 either way

[scenic solar]

Not lower?

My optiplex 3050 server defaulted to 2133 with 3000mts dimm because it supports max 2666

[grizzled bloom]

Whatever jedec bins are loaded into the sticks

[scenic solar]

Oh that's related to the dimms themselves?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[scenic solar]

Gskill dimm on the dell

Cheapest ones

[grizzled bloom]

On locked boards like these it doesn't read the xmp profiles at all and just reads the top supported speed of the jedec bins

[grizzled bloom]

A lot of DDR4 sticks had jedec 2133

B die does for example

[scenic solar]

Sp you're saying it could run 2666 if it was not a dell mobo

[scenic solar]

This is the mb my friend has

[grizzled bloom]

If it was not a LOCKED mobo. The key here is whether the chipset allows memory overclocking.

[scenic solar]

Ok got it

[grizzled bloom]

Because XMP is overclocking

[scenic solar]

Whenever I can I'll test out the ram stick and see what speed it runs at

I could also try mixing different ones 1600 & 1866 and hopefully it runs ok

[grizzled bloom]

I can tell you for sure that the H81 chipset in your board only supports 1 DIMM per channel and does not allow memory to run higher than 1600, the max supported by the CPU.

[grizzled bloom]

Now this is interesting. Wendell got ahold of some crash telemetry data and did a lot of digging. It looks like Intel has some hardware issues that no amount of BIOS or microcode updates can fix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzHcrbT5D_Y

Thousands of crashes, with 90% of them being 13900k/14900k, that's not good at all

Error rates are also increasing over time for each user with frequent problems
Issues also exist on workstation boards, which are definitely not pushing power since they focus hard on stability

[cursive epoch]

Oh no

The problem is expanding beyond just gamers and overclockers

[dull flint]

Was pretty sure once they had that internal investigation leak

Then tried to play it off

Wendel with this vid kinda confirms the investigation was true

So they're gonna play quiet as much as possible then until next gen?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably. Meanwhile they're dealing with their failure rates of up to 25% from enterprise consumers.

[dull flint]

Maybe it's time I sell my intel stuff for real

I have a good bin and it's never lived it's life on stock voltage but I would probably lose a lot more value if I don't move at some point soon

[vagrant mist]

AMD once again

[dull flint]

I've been thinking about dual amd rigs for a few months now

Jump to 9950X(3D?)

[grizzled bloom]

Funny enough, AMD represented less than 1% of the crashes in the telemetry data. Enterprise customers are being steered towards the 7950X instead of the 14900k by way of exorbitant charges for support

[dull flint]

AM5 is just that good tho

[grizzled bloom]

Not just AM5, but all of AMD I'm talking about.

[dull flint]

It's the first time I've used an enthusiast level pc and I have so little issues specific to the platform itself

I had the early agesa bug, and one weird occurrence of my FCLK misbehaving (Of my own doing)

That's it

LGA1700, countless issues

Apex was good

Unify was good

But just, bandaids

Bandaids to a core problem rearing it's head

The 9900K method of yeeting power is just no longer feasible especially on the new node

Which is sad cos 12th gen I still think was excellent

But none of these compare to AM4

Not even mildly

LOL

AM4 was by far the worst

[grizzled bloom]

The distribution being:
1584 decompression related errors
1431 are 13900K(S)/14900K(S)
The next highest CPU?
i7 9750H with exactly 11.

AMD as a whole accounts for exactly 4 entries. Probably anomalies from overclocking.

He doesn't say which game or studio he got the data from, but we can assume it's a UE5 game because those are the ones with the most issues loading in.

[astral tusk]

So i found a bundle on Canada computers and it has the i9 14900k and an msi mag z790 tomahawk and saw that i needed to do smt in the bios. Anyone know what ur supposed to tweak in bios?

[burnt spear]

Updating bios, but I very likely wouldn't recommend those two

Poor value

[astral tusk]

O

I9 14900 isnt good ?

Im still looking into mobos because my knowledge of them is basically 0 other than compatibility and pcie

[burnt spear]

What are you using the pc for

And what is your budget for the whole build

[astral tusk]

3.5k cad. I already have a gpu and aio which puts me at around 2.1k

And im using it for gaming, 3d design and work (mostly just documents)

[burnt spear]

What gpu and aio?

[astral tusk]

4080 super kraken elite 360mm

[burnt spear]

Gpu isn't a bad purchase... I'd imagine that aio cost well over $200 though

And outta curiosity, how much was the 4080 super?

[astral tusk]

I got it for 1250 and the aio for 271

Incl tax already

[burnt spear]

Solid price on the gpu

The aio if you're not absolutely set on it I'd consider returning it

Did you buy it for the lcd display?

[astral tusk]

Is it not worth it? I saw mixed opinions online

[astral tusk]

Yeah im ngl i did lol

[burnt spear]

One sec, let me see if there's cheaper options with an lcd display in Canada right now

Nzxt aios are just mediocre and incredibly overpriced

There's 60 USD aios that outmatch it

[burnt spear]

Did you just want it to display temps?

[astral tusk]

No way 😭😭😭

[astral tusk]

Inwas gonna put a gif on it lol.

[burnt spear]

Yeah... nzxt as a whole is very mediocre

[astral tusk]

Good thing im going for a fractal case. That wooden accent is nice

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/6r3hfy

List with a few aio options and one heatsink

Any of them will keep the 7800x3d in the 70s-80s, including the heatsink and the aio you already have

The ld240 I'm not sure if it's customizable, or just temp display

Oh also here's a fractal north alternative
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Y7Hqqs/magniumgear-neo-air-2-atx-mid-tower-case-mg-ne523a_bk06w

[astral tusk]

Is deepcool ok to still purchase? I saw them on amazon but wasnt sure since they apparently got kicked out of the market for selling to russia

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4h88TW/magniumgear-neo-air-2-atx-mid-tower-case-mg-ne523a_wt06w

[burnt spear]

Stupid American politic BS

-an American

[astral tusk]

I kind of orefer the straight wood. In terms of airflow though, are they similar?

[burnt spear]

Yep, either choice is fine

[astral tusk]

Lol yeah i was looking at that and got confused

[burnt spear]

Just another option for you

[astral tusk]

I see. I was hoping for either h9, lian li or fractal but not more h9.

[burnt spear]

H9 is very mid

[astral tusk]

What would u recommend for mobo and cpu? Something newer/powerful is preferable since im not looking to upgrade anytime soon

[burnt spear]

I'd look at the king 95, sky two, nv5, hyte y60 and the other hyte variants

[astral tusk]

Oo i saw hyte is getting more popular. Im gonna take a look

[burnt spear]

The full list above included a recommendation. The cpu, you can't really do better than that aside from 7950x3d

The mobo you could spend a bit extra on

It won't really affect performance though

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Tz2WGX/asrock-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi

[astral tusk]

Any intel recommendations?

[burnt spear]

14700k for sure, one minute on motherboard

[astral tusk]

Ok. Yeah ive heard good things on the 14700k. Better value/performance than the 14900k

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/PBs9gB

[burnt spear]

The 14700k/14900k only perform like 2-4% better than the 13600k/14600k in most games

[astral tusk]

I see. Im gonna take a look and look at the prices then. Im gonna compare price/ performance

[grizzled bloom]

I would strongly recommend a 7950X (or 7950X3D if you do a lot of games) instead of the 14900K because there's about a 25% chance that your CPU simply crashes loading certain games or under all core workloads. Even after the BIOS updates limiting the power (and therefore reducing performance) Intel still has problems.

I can refer you to several deep dive videos on the topic, as well as updated benchmarks with the new power limits in place showing AMD now holds a very strong lead in multi core operations.

[grizzled bloom]

Oh GN picked it up again too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAE4NWoyMZk

[hollow thorn]

This is pretty topical
https://semiengineering.com/verification-tools-straining-to-keep-up/

[dull flint]

Based on this I have enough to recommend some pretty severe downclocking

I will absolutely update the post later

I feel like I might send an email to GN about what we observed in the other chat about a change in psu dropping 10 degrees celsius

Really want to, it might be a good thing worth investigating

[wind karma]

LTT calling out AMD for their mobile chip naming 🙏
https://youtu.be/k3jDxPXZuPE?si=1DxOL8hAkWNz6GAz&t=150

[burnt spear]

like the core ultra crap is any better

[wind karma]

yeah it touched on Intel as well

[burnt spear]

absolutely no reason to abandon the naming scheme intel has been using

[wind karma]

AMD is worse though

[burnt spear]

it's too complicated

[grizzled bloom]

Oh there's a reason. It's just to confuse you into thinking "ultra" is better when it's mostly just the same chip with a NPU for AI.

Moving "processor" into the middle of the name is unforgiveable though

[rocky iron]

Hi I'm wondering what channel would be more appropriate for vr and display port from thunderbolt 4 out of a laptop

I've done quite a bit of research and most of what I found is vague and is not what I'm looking for

[tender sleet]

X670E Pro RS Wifi or B650E PG Riptide WiFi (Price diff is 100 dollars dead on)
Pro RS Wifi exchanges 2 USB 2 for 2 USB 3 on the back, adds a SPDIF port and a DP to the integrated graphics, features otherwise appear identical

SPDIF would be useful for me, but I can probably get a better sound card for less than a hundred bucks that has a SPDIF output, so IDK

[vast meadow]

I think you answered your own question, also why upgrade motherboards? It's almost always pointless

[tender sleet]

better chipset?

but I'm really not sure if X670E truly has anything big over B650E

X670(E) kinda feels almost pointless

unless you LN2 OC

[vast meadow]

Well what do you need? If you need more IO you should be able to just use a pcie card or usb hub etc on your current board

[long scaffold]

Are these compatable with 4070super and ryzen 77800x3d

[long scaffold]

What you think ?

[dull flint]

Ml240l kinda ass

owns one

Like it'll work, but in like a "Any other choice that's from 2023 or 2024 would beat this" kind of way

Thermalright frozen aios are all affordable at that price and plain better

[long scaffold]

Can you send link pls

[dull flint]

Google

Thermalright frozen 240mm

Click amazon

$46 is the cheapest

They're all good

[long scaffold]

Ok

[long scaffold]

This one ?

[dull flint]

Yeah if it's cheap enough

45-55 would make it decent

[long scaffold]

It’s 55

[dull flint]

Not too bad

Frozen edge should be 45-ish

Or if you don't mind air, phantom spirit is 35 and comparable

Same results different style

[dull flint]

Updated.

Added recommended extreme downclock suggestions for faulty cpus

[maiden surge]

So I ordered 2 sets of new Ram last week, now they are both about $120 off the price I paid, I contacted them and was like hey this is not cool, will you honor the sale price for me, they said no, I said well i could send them back and get a refund and reorder, they said do that. Kinda stupid of them they need to pay for 2 more shipping fees... Not sure why but sounds stupid to me

[limber dragon]

just policy, that's fairly normal

[maiden surge]

just seems kinda stupid, one order of ram I don't even have yet... if that is policy, I need to become dumb so i can write policies too.

[grizzled bloom]

Nothing we can do about it here, since none of us work for newegg

If it were up to me I'd process it as a rain check but

[maiden surge]

I know this is discord, I just thought i would come to say this. It is what it is I guess

[gritty patio]

It’s because companies don’t like to have a price protection policy thus the only way to get the discounted amount is the long way around

Sometimes they’ll honor it like one time Amazon did it for me but I’ve always had to do a return and order new

[maiden surge]

yes seems like the way, I guess many people wouldn't bother, that must be why they don't do it. Sending it back is a bit of work, while a phone call is too easy... The sad thing is now, I will most likely start buying my things off amazon instead now, because they did the same for me once, and one time they just gave me the product. Oh well Newegg, time to shop elsewhere

[gritty patio]

Ya they never give me any problems and more often than not thy have the best prices

[maiden surge]

Agreed

[magic oxide]

Here's a build I've been buying parts for: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GFQddH
Besides the fact that I might return the CPU/Mobo for obvious reasons I've been looking into other ram as options, specifically these two:

• https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pJyH99/gskill-ripjaws-s5-96-gb-2-x-48-gb-ddr5-5600-cl40-memory-f5-5600j4040d48gx2-rs5k
• https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZsvD4D/corsair-dominator-titanium-96-gb-2-x-48-gb-ddr5-6600-cl32-memory-cmp96gx5m2b6600c32
  Any thoughts or better suggestions?

[magic oxide]

Didn't mean to put the corsair as 96gb so just imagine it says 64

[grizzled bloom]

Don't get Corsair memory. You often can't do anything with it except run at factory XMP settings because they lock the PMIC. You have to hope you get a good stick and good memory controller that doesn't need extra voltage.

I'm guessing the "obvious reasons" for changing the CPU are related to the very high rates of instability on the 14900K.

In which case a 7800X3D would be the move, better at gaming anyway

[magic oxide]

ah so should I just go with the G.Skill Trident Z5 thats already on the build list?

[magic oxide]

yeppers

[grizzled bloom]

If you're staying on Intel then you can use that same 6800 kit, but AMD chips can't push that high. 6000c30 or so is ideal, unless you want to wait until next gen launches at the end of this month which is supposed to support up to 8000 on memory.

[magic oxide]

Wont just be for gaming, ill also be doing the following Heavy rendering, running server, 3d modeling, editing, work, data processing and gaming ofc. Everything only reason I stayed on intel rn was for their quicksync.

prob locked to intel for a bit just because its past the return window

unless I can sell it to someone

but yknow how that goes

[grizzled bloom]

Test the 14900K and see if it's stable for you. If it becomes unstable later, ask Intel for a refund.

[magic oxide]

yknow what, you right

[grizzled bloom]

We might see a soft recall soon on those chips if the damning evidence piles up more

[magic oxide]

yeah, I had gotten it for an amazing deal at the time too, like 400 in dec

so might be worth a shot seeing if it runs ok

[grizzled bloom]

The server and modeling tasks are probably going to be the ones that crash, if anything. Maybe run Blender on a loop for a few hours and see how it holds up.

[magic oxide]

but yeah thanks for the advice on the memory, only reason I was considering it was cause I looked at it before and amazon has some amazing deals on them rn

[grizzled bloom]

If you want to save a few bucks on memory you can do one of these https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/636p99,xJV2FT,pkKscf

The performance difference between 6800 and 6400 will be unnoticeable except in synthetic benchmarks

[magic oxide]

ah really, got it thanks

[dull flint]

My suggestions aged pretty well it seems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmStRPI47I

A620i ax being the only one that won't handle a future r9

[tender sleet]

Cheap IS cheerful with AM5 it seems

[past rain]

I have a intel i5-8400 i think with windows 10 if I switch it with a i7-9700k will it be able to plug n play kinda or I have to do sumthin after the fact

[grizzled bloom]

You might need to update your motherboard BIOS, making sure that the 9700K is supported, but that should be all you need to do.

There's a surprising amount of 8th gen motherboards that never updated for 9th gen

[past rain]

@grizzled bloom well I think I have a 9th gen motherboard

I might be saying the cpu wrong

I have to go home n check which 1 i have

[grizzled bloom]

The exact model of motherboard would be the best thing to report back with

That way I can double check for you if your board supports 9th gen

[burnt spear]

you can check in system information, next to baseboard manufacturer

[grizzled bloom]

CPU-Z works too, the mainboard tab

If you post that tab then it'll say what bios version you have too

[past rain]

Dam I do only have a 8400

I should c a drastic performance from a 8400 to a 9700k right @grizzled bloom @burnt spear

[grizzled bloom]

What motherboard do you have tho

If it's some random OEM board then it's possible it won't even support the 9700k

[past rain]

Asus Rog maximus hero IX @grizzled bloom

[grizzled bloom]

That board only officially supports 6th and 7th gen. If you have an 8400 then you must have a modded board, so you need a modded BIOS. I've never done a coffee mod before but we'll assume yours already has it done since you have the 8400, in which case you'll need this BIOS. Rename it to creative.rom and use flashback to update it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XF59GuJbHDmCmc8JWZnZGTpzrMqhCBoI/view?usp=sharing

[past rain]

@grizzled bloom dam I have to get another motherboard fudge cookie I was trying not to do that

Maybe it's the X

1151 chipset

I'm sure I can fit the 9900k but didn't have the budget then

[grizzled bloom]

If you download cpu-z and post a screenshot of the mainboard tab we can be sure what model you have, and see what BIOS you have

[past rain]

Ok wen I get home from work I will

[past rain]

@grizzled bloom after I downloaded the cpu-z it gave me a notes file

[grizzled bloom]

What do you mean? That's an exe, a program

[long scaffold]

Will this mother board fit a ryzen 7 7800 x3d ?

@burnt spear

[elfin warren]

Yes

[past rain]

Well wen I typed cpu-z n tryd to download sumthin it said it's unavailable

@grizzled bloom

[cerulean wadi]

Unzip it if needed

[past rain]

@cerulean wadi

Yea it is an X

So I think I could or can use this intel i7-9700k

[cerulean wadi]

I'll defer to Fal cie on this. They'll see the ping eventually. 9700(K) would definitely be a solid swap, hopefully not too expensive.

[past rain]

Ok

[burnt spear]

It's a rog maximus z370

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PZ8j4D/asus-rog-maximus-x-hero-atx-lga1151-motherboard-rog-maximus-x-hero

There's like five variants of the same mobo

But same difference

And yes it supports 9th gen

[past rain]

yes i was wondering if i could jus plug n play my intel i7 9700k from my intel i5 8400

or is there sumthin i would need to do for it to work

or is it a plug n play @burnt spear

[burnt spear]

Update bios

[past rain]

so i jus need to update bios after i switch cpu

[burnt spear]

Before*

But yes

[past rain]

so update then drop the cpu in the motherboard

[burnt spear]

With the current cpu in

Then swap cpu out

[past rain]

ok

[grizzled bloom]

You're running the very first BIOS version that board ever had, so you'll definitely need to update that but you can run the 9700K no problem.
https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/BIOS/ROG-MAXIMUS-X-CODE-ASUS-2701.ZIP?model=ROG MAXIMUS X CODE

[past rain]

@grizzled bloom ok ty for clarifying jus need to get a cpu cooler n ill install it later

[shy wyvern]

My 13700K is doomed

I thought it was just windows jank that I've been crashing in games the past few months

[grizzled bloom]

You could be another victim of rapid degradation of the ring bus

RMA with Intel maybe

[cerulean wadi]

Stock 13600k similar? Wondering if I should just go to a 12700K, if anything yet.

[burnt spear]

on a non z board it's a non issue

excluding i9s

[long scaffold]

Pc build coming soon started ordering some parts today 😩

[burnt spear]

you got a parts list for the rest yet?

[long scaffold]

Some what yea

Let me show one sec

[burnt spear]

nice list, id save a bit on the ssd

this is a very nice ssd at $50, although it's not on amazon https://www.newegg.com/pny-1tb-xlr8-cs3140/p/N82E16820177096?

for amazon either https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2x4Ycf/teamgroup-mp44l-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpk001t0c101
orhttps://pcpartpicker.com/product/VhbTwP/hp-fx900-pro-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-4a3u0aaabb

[long scaffold]

10-4

[versed topaz]

Hey I have no idea if this is good or not

I have to send a picture

Can someone tell me if this is good or not

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12OK7MPe9WAuJEbIiALyjgq4E5M5pKp-EmR791R4zNlM/edit?usp=sharing

[burnt spear]

Currently intels 13th/14th gen cpus, at least the i7s and i9s, possibly cpus below that, are having major issues

We had a convo about it in #general-chat if you scroll up a bit

[versed topaz]

But should go to AMD than?

[burnt spear]

Yes

[versed topaz]

What AMD cpu?

[burnt spear]

What's the pc being used for

and what is your budget

[versed topaz]

Gaming

[versed topaz]

1000-1500

[burnt spear]

Country?

And is that including monitor, or nah

[versed topaz]

USA 🇺🇸

[versed topaz]

Nah I got that covered not

Now

[burnt spear]

I'm assuming you have microcenter based on the i9 bundle

And what's the monitor?

[versed topaz]

I got 2

[versed topaz]

Yes

[burnt spear]

Any preference for aesthetics, and do you think you need more than 1tb of storage?

[versed topaz]

I like aesthetics. But I don’t want it to be over kill.

The 1Tb isn’t going to be enough I have to have a lot more

[burnt spear]

White or black

And 2tb, or more

Can always add more down the line

[versed topaz]

Black

[versed topaz]

2 is fine for now.

You can dm me

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gg4bbL

If you wanted an nvidia gpu, 4070 ti super is the 7900xt's competitor, but is $100 more
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J42yYN

Or 4070 super is around $580, which is much better value

4gb less vram, around 10% worse

Could do the 7600x bundle from mc as well, and grab a second stick of the ram it comes with

[versed topaz]

I like the 7900xt

What’s the bench mark?

[burnt spear]

?

Wdym

[versed topaz]

What’s the bench mark on the gpu?

[burnt spear]

What do you mean.

[cursive epoch]

Performance

[brisk valley]

So question, would this memory work in a rig with a 7800X3D? Or do I need to find something that's specifically EXPO Defined
https://www.newegg.com/p/0RN-002K-000J3?item=9SIBDGPK7G1441&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASUBID=&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2Fproduct%2FdFMMnQ%2Fsilicon-power-xpower-zenith-rgb-gaming-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-su064gxlwu60afdhsw&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-vzEGjXPlmtg_vulnePbrJQ

As the next thing that has the same CL and 6000MTs speed but has EXPO advertise is the Trident Z Neo at >210$.

And then there's the next best step down that advertises EXPO with the Team group T-Create at CL34 6000MTs

[tender sleet]

EXPO only really means it's fully validated for AMD platforms

I run an XMP only DDR5 kit with my 7600X and it works fine

With that specific mobo and CPU, it does
But it might not if I used another mobo

[dull flint]

Get this instead

https://www.newegg.com/oloy-64gb/p/N82E16820821556

Just plain better and clearance sale

[brisk valley]

So go for EXPO if I want the least headaches?

[dull flint]

Nope

[tender sleet]

I'd believe so, but beware I'm still a mood with DDR5 myself

[dull flint]

No

EXPO just adds two memory timings

It's not better, also most DDR5 ship with both XMP and EXPO anyway

Get the one I linked it's cheap af, rare sale

Blades are really good ddr5

[brisk valley]

Either way, I'm pairing this with a 7800X3D, 6400MTs apparently is unstable with it last I checked

[dull flint]

Depends on the chip

Also you can clock it to 6200

Takes 5 seconds

[brisk valley]

It really prefers a stable tight timed 6000-CL30 (or tighter CL)

[dull flint]

I'm running 6400

Rn

🙃

[brisk valley]

On a 7800X3D?

[dull flint]

It depends on your silicon luck

[dull flint]

I can do it with one CCD off or both on

It's a vast number of factors

[brisk valley]

7800X3D is single CCD

[dull flint]

Type of motherboard, silicon quality, IMC quality

ik

1dpc boards will often do 6400

[brisk valley]

Well, I bought a B650E Aorus AX ice

[dull flint]

Good board

6400 is realistic

Yes it doesn't always work out the box

Most AM5 can do it tho now

[brisk valley]

Good deal too, got it for 240 total which was the cheapest for good deals of B650E

[dull flint]

total?

Oh with tax

B650E riptide

Taichi lite also around that price which is really just AM5's best motherboard ever

But aorus ice is decent

I would expect 6400 to work

If not work out of sync or with a light adjustment

It's not common for 6400 to flat not work on a newer agesa

[tender sleet]

Between the PG Riptide and the Taichi Lite
Is it worth spending more on the Taichi?

[dull flint]

If you want a premium board on AM5 rn, you stop at taichi lite

Anything north is fallacy

I could see it justifiable

Though it'd be for a specific reason

X670 Gaming X is OP af as well for less

Full feature set bar a 7 seg

[brisk valley]

Nu, before it (260 after).

All the other options that were cheaper at the time cut features (aka were B650 rather than E)

And the Errant Steel Legend B650 (despite having more features than it's B650E counterpart) was something that was unreviewed on my end and availalblity seems sketchy stateside still

Either way, only caveat about the ram you suggested was it's black only (going for a whiteout build at this rate as the ICE was the best value board in my budget/feature range at the time I got it)

[dull flint]

Just the plain best ram to buy at 64GB rn

Irregardless of colour

[gritty patio]

Question rq

I got a board that was supposed to be new but it was clearly opened and repackaged. I already contacted Amazon and they gave a partial refund even if I decided to use the product. My issue is that there seems to be fur on it in various places and I’m worried if this would affect it once turned on.

[elfin warren]

Nah, just clean it off and go. Fur won't hurt anything.

[gritty patio]

Bet

Also had a scuff some scuffs

[elfin warren]

Is a return still available for full refund if you don't install it or is all you're going to get half refund and that's it?

[gritty patio]

I will still get a full refund

Amazon doesn’t care if it’s used just as long as you return the way it was for the most part

Last time I purposefully got a used board, it had a beat up box but it was fine

[elfin warren]

Well, no harm in seeing if it will boot if you're OK with the minor scuffing

[gritty patio]

Yeah I’m chillin

Just don’t want any of my other parts to go out

Is that a possibility?

[elfin warren]

That is something you can't know until you try it.

Take off the CPU socket cover and check for bent pins before anything else

[gritty patio]

Would you? lol or just wait for a replacement?

[elfin warren]

I'd look it over and check the CPU socket. If I couldn't see anything more than the scuff you saw, I'd try it

[gritty patio]

Okay thanks

[elfin warren]

YW

[gritty patio]

Anything I need to do before swapping?

To the new mb

[elfin warren]

Windows 10 or 11 I presume? Might have to reactivate Windows with your MS account after install but should be fine.

[gritty patio]

Bet

[gritty patio]

Okay so the power cord from the case doesn’t work

Like it won’t fit my psu even tho my psu fits in the mount

[elfin warren]

Is your psu upside down and port is blocked?

[gritty patio]

The socket on my current psu isn’t big enough bcuz I just tried it on another psu

No

[elfin warren]

Oh that's weird

[gritty patio]

It’s an L cable from the case

It’s just won’t fit

Welp the build is chopped ig

[elfin warren]

Any psu cable should fit, even a monitor power cable. Unless the PSU is big wattage monitor cable will work

[gritty patio]

This one

[grizzled bloom]

Is it maybe an OEM unit like a Dell or HP

[gritty patio]

Nope

A g6 850

Like it fr just worked on some old psu I had

But didn’t fit in my current

So weird

[elfin warren]

Ohhhh I see now.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's a standard unit, weird

The 90 degree cable might just get in the way, like it's not deep enough

[gritty patio]

Ya well ig I’ll use it for my sisters build and she’ll get the scuffed mb

That’s what I was thinking but it worked on the other so I think the g6 socket isnt wide enough

[viscid arch]

Hi, I got my ram installed and I’m in bios

What are the key things I need to check and should I have extreme memory profile (x.m.p) on or off…right now it’s off

I checked task manager and it’s running at the rated speed (3200) without xmp

[cursive epoch]

You should have xmp enabled still

It's running jedec 3200 speed with terrible latency

[high tapir]

make the switch to amd? i have a 2070 and will have to upgrade soon

[cursive epoch]

why not if you can afford it without putting a dent in your wallet

is this cpu or gpu talk?

coz channel is for cpus, but we can always veer off the channel's topics

[cyan raft]

buy a 5090

[grizzled bloom]

Well you sure as heck shouldn't be buying Intel right now until we know more about why they're failing, assuming you're referring to CPUs.

[flint root]

a friend was planning on getting a new laptop. Im just a bit hesitant about the intel stuff right now. I know it mainly is an issue among the high end skus of the 13th and 14th gen. wanted to know if the issue is among the laptop skus as well or just desktop

[dull flint]

H or HX is not confirmed by intel but has been claimed by Alderon at this stage, pending more information

In layman terms: yes but no

[flint root]

ic, cuz i was looking into an i7-14700HX laptop

amd it is ig

if i cant touch the 2 latest gens of intel what else can i do XD

[dull flint]

HX chips are basically unlocked desktop chips in laptops anyway so

[flint root]

ikik

[cursive epoch]

i'd recc amd regardless

similar perf

more efficient

[tender sleet]

That's honestly wild

Just a gen or two earlier Intel was crushing AMD in battery life

[reef yacht]

@Fal'Cie That's LGA 1200, which is on the compatible list

Bro can you help me now?

@grizzled bloom

Installing the Kraken 360 rgb
But the usb to put on my motherboard there is no usb 2 port
how to install a kraken 360 on a bs560h6 em motherboard
Look where is this on my motherboard?? I don't see anything like

[burnt spear]

You have two cables

There is only one port for the cables

Either look into an adapter of some sort, you need a new motherboard, or you go without some usb ports on your case.

[reef yacht]

Usab port on my case, ordered a usb and 9 pin cable some hours ago

[grizzled bloom]

PSA: NOT CLICK BAIT
Your Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs are at risk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3EW5lRIZYc

[next thistle]

Hi! I installed BIOS version F11b on my mobo (Gigabyte Z790 UD AC) last month, and now I see that Gigabyte has release F11c two weeks ago... shoul I installed it, or should I wait for F12 or later?

[vast meadow]

Unless you see a feature/security thing that looks important don't bother doing it

[sudden creek]

What is happening?

[elfin warren]

Intel CPUs are not good and failing. 13600-13900 and 14th gen I think

[sudden creek]

Yikes I am glad I didn't grab the 14900K. When I was purchasing I was like 1 click away from pulling the trigger.

[cursive epoch]

dealing with a bad 7950x3d is better than a cpu that will degrade no matter what

[grizzled bloom]

This is one of the rare cases where you'll want to update your BIOS immediately to avoid having your CPU start crashing in a way that cannot be fixed without a RMA.

[sudden creek]

Well in my case my CPU was faulty and randomly crashed frequently. They didn't tell me the reason but they said they would only replace my CPU if they found that it was faulty when I was on with support. Thankfully they replaced it so I don't have to deal with my old one..

[echo saffron]

Need opinions, Newegg site just listed refurbished Z790 tomahawk ddr4 on site for $100. Match that with a $300 12900ks, do you think that’s an upgrade from a 10850k with Z490 gaming edge? Or should I stick with what I have

[cerulean wadi]

ddr4 is a slight disservice to 12th gen tbh imo (although $100ish is a solid price for sure), and/or I'm tempted to say go something like 13600K(F) possibly. I was just partly looking at an old 12th gen review and 11900K isn't very few behind (we know 10850K maybe isn't also) https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-12900k-and-core-i5-12600k-review-retaking-the-gaming-crown/4

[echo saffron]

I’m not gonna lie. All the Intel stuff going on right now is making look away from 13900k and 14900k 😬. I was only interested because I’m not sure if I should jump on the lga1700 train yet or not. I’m also not a fan of the P core E core design. Especially cause I play Star Citizen a lot

[burnt spear]

Not worth it imo

Well

Do you just game?

[echo saffron]

Game and stream and record

I’m in a tough boat

[echo saffron]

^

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZzsDN6

I believe 9600 comes out very soon too

[echo saffron]

Yea but I’ll also have to swap over to ddr5 as well

I think with that

[burnt spear]

$40 more than 12900ks+ your z790

For 7600 mobo and ram

[echo saffron]

I see I see

[burnt spear]

Also I'd argue a 7500f off aliexpress is more trustworthy than newegg refurb lol

[dull flint]

It's ok, 7800X3D + nice cheap AM5 would be way better imo

[burnt spear]

$140 or thereabouts

[dull flint]

Can reuse your aio for that

[echo saffron]

I was just about to say if I’m going amd I’m going 7800x3d

[dull flint]

But depends what you're doing on the pc

Gaming I would say that

[echo saffron]

Star citizen loves the 7800x3d from what I’ve read

[burnt spear]

What gpu do you have?

[echo saffron]

4070

[dull flint]

Yes it does

Star citizen loves X3D tremendously

And 64GB can help if you run big ships

[echo saffron]

I usually run all sizes

[dull flint]

Mmmm I'm not all particular on the specifics

But I know a couple things about the performance on that game lol

I would say X3D for sure personally

[echo saffron]

You kinda just validated the x3d lol so that helps me think

[dull flint]

Run it with a solid AM5

[burnt spear]

Also your cpu mobo and ram would sell for a good chunk

[dull flint]

Like A620i lightning itx

B650 eagle ax

Or A620m pro rs

All really good for basically all am5 atm

[echo saffron]

Yeah I could probably get like 200 for the cpu and like $100 for my mobo

[dull flint]

Cpu maybe more like 150

Sadly 10th gen is getting on at this point

[echo saffron]

Yeah probably

[dull flint]

Then reuse your aio, ez life

Drag and drop upgrade

[echo saffron]

True true

[dull flint]

Some good 6000 CL30 32/48/64 gb

Like silicon power

It's quite an easy suggestion tbh

[cerulean wadi]

For being a longtime Intel user for not huge reasons, I'll also suggest AMD when incl AM5 and such at this point

[echo saffron]

Also the problem with my wallet is that it’s obsessed with Kingston and RGB so there goes out any cheap RAM lol

[dull flint]

Kingston sell a couple cheap renegade kits iirc

But more importantly

Aim for 6000 CL30

Or rather

And kit with CL32 or less

It guarantees hynix

[echo saffron]

Yeah I prefer tighter CL

[dull flint]

And hynix is just good on DDR5

Oh it's not about the CL

CL actually does nothing

It just identifies that it's hynix

Which is what's actually good

[echo saffron]

I see

[dull flint]

Few brand suggestions for good value

Team group

Silicon power

some Kingston skus

Ripjaws

I forgot the amd version of ripjaws

Lmao

Fury/fury renegade can be cheap

Not often

Lexar

Uh

KLEVV

V-color

[dull flint]

Pair it with a board like this and you're cooking

Adata can have cheap ram, the XPG ones are quite nice quality

[echo saffron]

I think I’ll probably wait till a big jump in generations. Maybe like Intel 15th gen or a couple years after 9000 series has weaved out any issues and think about switch over

[dull flint]

Look like big squares

[echo saffron]

I don’t have any issues with my 10th gen I just wanna start planning when my rig actually shows signs of being old lol

[dull flint]

10th gen is still nice imo

My 10850KA was my first serious chip and unironically excellent

It ran almost 5.3 all core under 1.35v

Which should've made it a 10900K lmao

[echo saffron]

It’s a pretty badass cpu. My first ever modern cpu

[dull flint]

Hold on, let me get you a dummy list to look at

[echo saffron]

I keep it at 5.0 for now haven’t gone in yet for serious Oc

[dull flint]

Basically this
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#b=ddr5&Z=32768002,49152002,65536002&L=25,320&sort=price&page=1

Pick any from here, all good

Cheaper the better

And you run the sticks at 6400 or less

[echo saffron]

Would you recommend 2x32?

[dull flint]

Yeah for star citizen I could

It's in that link

2x16, 2x24, 2x32 all there

Just scroll until you hit 2x32, or cancel the filters up top for 2x16 and 2x24

Up here

[echo saffron]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yyXV3C/kingston-fury-beast-rgb-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-kf560c36bbeak2-64

I’d probably go with this

[dull flint]

Mmmm not CL36

[echo saffron]

Oh you’re right my bad

[dull flint]

Look in here

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#b=ddr5&Z=65536002&L=25,320&sort=price

Cheapest is 162 rn

And good kits imo

Zenith is pretty decent looking irl

[dull flint]

Flare X5 finally remembered lol

[echo saffron]

this one, the
Kingston FURY Beast RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory

Much better

Price isn’t much of a concern. I like the looks of the Kingston a lot

[dull flint]

I mean if you love them ig, they're no different in function at all to the Xpower kit at 166

[echo saffron]

They’re purdy

[dull flint]

Lemme see if I can find a better fury kit

Hold on

[echo saffron]

Let’s see it

[dull flint]

Nope that's probably the best one for their price

[echo saffron]

That’s fine

[dull flint]

And just so we are clear they won't perform any better or different to the others

They're just different looking

[echo saffron]

Sounds good

[dull flint]

Alr

[echo saffron]

For now I’ll see how amd does with the 9800x3d or whatever they call it when ti comes out

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dq4Zxr/asrock-b650m-hdvm2-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-hdvm2
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zQhv6h/asrock-a620i-lightning-wifi-mini-itx-am5-motherboard-a620i-lightning-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cRQcCJ/msi-pro-b650m-a-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b650m-a-wifi

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cPNYcf/gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tz2WGX/asrock-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi

For boards probably one of these atm

[dull flint]

Be at least 6 months, prices will be wildly different by then

Some are speculating 9800X3D won't even happen

Due to the latent buffs from 7800X3D not coming from IPC

(I doubt this a fair bit however)

All of the above boards will do all the way up to 7950X(3D) as well btw

Food for thought

[echo saffron]

Yeah it’ll be interesting to see

[dull flint]

9950X would be the only one I wouldn't stick in the A620i atm

And maybe B650M pro rs

Little bit strong for those ones

[echo saffron]

If I was out of my mind I would end up getting a X870E lol

[cerulean wadi]

2nd gen of AM5 is probably a fine time for me also to upgrade, haha. $150 12700K was a flake seller on HWS. Nothing else similar is too appetizing lately, especially w/ work or otherwise just being tired. ---At very least , might be some 600 series chipset and/or 7000 series cpu deals once next gen is out

[dull flint]

X870E is just X670

[echo saffron]

I bet

[dull flint]

Actually no

Sorry

It's B650

[echo saffron]

Oof

[dull flint]

It's fake hype

X670/X670E is the peak

[echo saffron]

Rip

[dull flint]

Best X670 imo is the gaming x

You get like

EVERYTHING

And it's one of the cheapest X670/E choices

[echo saffron]

That’s would I enjoy

Getting everything

[dull flint]

This onehttps://pcpartpicker.com/product/N9XV3C/gigabyte-x670-gaming-x-ax-v2-atx-am5-motherboard-x670-gaming-x-ax-v2

With this one as a runner up https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R226Mp/asrock-b650e-taichi-lite-eatx-am5-motherboard-b650e-taichi-lite

Taichi lite is the peak of AM5 for a not horrible price

But unless you OC and benchmark a lot, not really much value to it

The HDV above is the best overclocker for AM5 out of all of these

[echo saffron]

Not bad

I’m starting to like Gigabyte

[dull flint]

I mean I've never hated gigabyte but their software being cringe is no stretch of the imagination

Thankfully almost everything I recommend from gigabyte now doesn't need their software

[echo saffron]

I was gonna say I mean hardware mostly

[dull flint]

Ye hardware wise they aren't bad of late

Only exception being they need gpu support brackets

Apart from that, decent

[cerulean wadi]

I like those 8+ usb ports and such

[dull flint]

Ya

GB went the I/O route

And I dig it

A LOT

You buy a $200 motherboard, you get $200 motherboard features, like the days of old

Not like now where you need to fork over $500 to Asus for the same thing

(Probably more like 350 but anw lol)

There are money of no object choices

Like for example the gene or taichi cararra

They don't really beat anything above though

I don't really see anything from the next gen am5 boards tempting atm

You might see a slight memory OC improvement at the very high end, say 8400+ MHz

That's gonna be really it

Objectively they seem otherwise just cheap and boring

[cerulean wadi]

heck, that GB says 8000 support already. That would be pretty good. How doable is that? 6400+ was more mobo issues and not cpu issues, yea? --- gotcha. I'm barely familiar w/ the 2:1 or 1:1 thing and about wanting to do 6400ish ram or 8000ish ram.

[dull flint]

The difference to them doing 8400 vs current boards doing some 8000 is maybe 1 or 2%

Yep

It's not gonna be game changing

AMD is cheapening AM5 out to reduce costs

Not that it really affects consumers, if anything it'll keep prices good

But it does make a change you can't really notice

[dull flint]

It's a desync thing, Most AM5 boards can do somewhere near there

But 8000 desync is where you want to be, otherwise stick to 6400 synced

i.e UCLK = MCLK 1:1 synced

Some fall short at 7800, others 7600

Running 64gb you'd be asking a metric tonne from the cpu for 8000 so staying synced is the play

<6400

[cerulean wadi]

Ok, I'm getting most of that. Change by time I do anything, some 8000ish ram won't even be crazy priced.

[dull flint]

Well this is why picking Hynix matters

You can grab 2x16 5600 CL46 Teamgroup elite or t-create

And it's like, $73?

It's H16A underneath 99% of the time

And will do 8000 in ambient

@limpid warren got his to boot like 8600

But it's a lot more difficult than synced

If you want an easy time, synced is VERY straightforward

[burnt spear]

$80 now I think

[dull flint]

Hynix is the play for DDR5

They made themselves pretty set in stone at this point for the rest of DDR5 that it's good

[cerulean wadi]

They are what Micron was for a few gens. --- ah, so about $200+/32GB for 8000 right now, not surprising.

[dull flint]

We'll probably be on CAMM or DDR6 by the time the others catch up

[grizzled bloom]

Also any of the 24Gb dies. It might be worth getting a 48GB kit for the speed and "future proof" abilities.

[dull flint]

If they could make the kits not cost the same as 64gb yeah I'd agree there

[limpid warren]

they definitely boot 8600. I was trying to find a screenshot but at least for now, here's 8266c36 lol

here's the relevant part

those are 2x16gb teamgroup t-create classic 5600c46-46-46-90 for which I paid $95. They have similar 2x24gb t-create "expert overclocking" (🙄) 7200c34 that are about $200ish. Full disclosure tho: (1) 8000+ will likely POST fairly easily, but getting them to daily stable is a heck of a mission & likely time-consuming; (2) depends heavily on how good/bad your motherboard is; & (3) how good/bad the IMC on your CPU is. I haven't done a fully stable daily memory OC on Intel since 12900K. 13/14th gen is notoriously unstable & memory training is terribly inconsistent even on a $800 motherboard.

[cerulean wadi]

Good to know. Probably stick to 6400-7200.

[limpid warren]

if you're looking for memory for AMD, I'd do what @dull flint & @grizzled bloom were saying & go for synced UCLK:MCLK

dunno if that statement will hold up well once Zen 5 launches but that's how Zen 3 & 4 were

[dull flint]

You want synced <6600 if you can't hit 8000+

Otherwise it's slower

[limpid warren]

ya there's like a wasteland between 1:1 UCLK:MCLK & 1:2 where you really shouldn't bother because it's worse

lol

like people running desynced FCLK on Zen 3 so they can run like 4000c16 or something

I used to hate seeing RAM for sale that "supports Ryzen processors" where the XMP was like 4000c[x]

cuz it's like, "buy expensive memory for far worse performance than cheaper memory"

I know it's counterintuitive but it's RAM so like

it only makes 100% sense to probably less than 10,000 people on the entire planet

myself NOT included lol

[limpid warren]

I was looking at JEDEC DDR5 spec sheet the other day cuz I hoped to find some formula or something (I didn't find it) but man it's written in like Egyptian hieroglyphics

[dull flint]

The way it works is you essentially introduce a large latency penalty by running them at half sync

And this penalty is what you overcome by pushing the bandwidth higher

It's like changing gears on intel

I want to say it's like running half speed? But ram isn't that simple

You're changing essentially a bandwidth point within the IMC in relation to the IF

[limpid warren]

for example

[dull flint]

You could surmise that if they desynced these as well

It could ALL go faster after a certain point

FCLK being desynced will eventually be better as we hit higher speeds

So the same thing makes a bit of sense for MCLK and UCLK

[limpid warren]

one thing that always bothered me is why going from 2T to 1T command rate didn't double performance

like isn't double the amount of stuff going on in half the time?

[dull flint]

Yeah that's a really similar thing

You're essentially doubling but you're actually not

Like tREFI

[limpid warren]

or double the amount of stuff happening in the same time lmao

AHH

I wish someone would make like a poster

[dull flint]

Lol

[limpid warren]

I don't care if it's like 20' long (that's like uh a little over 6 meters btw lmao)

that show every timing as like a single event happens

[dull flint]

There's just so much interaction with banks on nand it's overly complicated

[limpid warren]

so I could see which timings + other timings have to fit within certain timings

[dull flint]

Every timing has a different role for communicating a charge

It's just...too much to think about lmao

[limpid warren]

lol dual rank is insane. It jumps from one side to the other, giving one side something to do then the other another & repeats

another thing that will never make sense is why tCKE isn't 0 if power down is disabled

I dunno it's just so far beyond my comprehension. All I've ever really accomplished is knowing what numbers to guess to start with & whether to increase or lower the numbers based on the outcome behavior lol

I don't understand anything in a true fundamental sense

[dull flint]

Probably the same reason DR and QR tertiaries are adjustable but don't do anything

On single side ram

Lol

[limpid warren]

like if I try to picture RAM, all I can come up with is like that excel sheet GN tried to use to explain it in some video like 10 years ago

like okay column address strobe addresses uh something from the top of the column

& row address strobe does it from the side

I dunno wth a write burst is lol

lol aliens could come abduct like .0000002% of the world population & no one who understands how any of this works would be left

like what percentage of motherboard owners actually take advantage of the option in BIOS to enable or disable row hammer prevention?

I have no clue what row hammer prevention does & how enabling or disabling it would help or hurt anything lol

fine granularity refresh rate? what?

[dull flint]

I have no idea

I don't remember ever failing a hammer test? I can't be sure

[limpid warren]

these JEDEC sheets have page after page of charts & diagrams just talking about like a single training option lol

[limpid warren]

yo on a lighter note, Crucial has a system scanner for suggested upgrades they sell at the bottom of this page. I'm gonna see what it suggests lol https://www.crucial.com/articles/about-memory/everything-about-ddr5-ram

well it's yet to find any upgrades & it's been like 10 minutes

[dull flint]

Lol

[limber dragon]

mine ran.... its uhhh saying I should downgrade my ram and get a pcie5 nvme https://www.crucial.com/scanview/7B27FC8131D926C3

it doesnt read right as well

[hollow thorn]

Row hammer is a weird way to attack ram that makes ram dump out what's stored at a different address than what an application should be accessing

[hollow thorn]

I still think this is pretty good for how the basic timings work and what they do
https://youtu.be/7J7X7aZvMXQ

[past rain]

could i get guidance on how to update my bios to install a new cpu

old but new for me

im trying to go from a i5 8400 to a i7 9700k

[cerulean wadi]

Exact model of mobo?

[past rain]

asus code X

or rog sumthun Z sumthin

rog maximus x code

z370

@cerulean wadi

[cerulean wadi]

Edit, idk if this vid is too new
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdX6qxRRodM
--basically, 32GB max flash drive in a pc/laptop, download buos file, extract only bios file to flash drive, stick drive in pc, in bios you find the bios update menu & there's a couple small steps there.

[past rain]

ty

[cerulean wadi]

If you get stumped, can take a pic of the bios or such & the contents of flash drive.

[past rain]

@cerulean wadi so question now that i retrieved the bios now i can switch out the cpu

on a flashdrive

[cerulean wadi]

If bios is updated, yes can remove flash drive & swap cpu.

[past rain]

well i havent updated bios my i5 is still running on the original bios

but i downloaded it to a aflash drive so i can switch out to the i7 9700k

@cerulean wadi

[cerulean wadi]

File was unzipped/extracted? Gotta be extracted. Current cpu, file on flashdrive, insert drive to pc, turn on pc & enter bios. Swap cpu after new bios

[past rain]

yes i sent it 2 a 64gb flash drive i think @cerulean wadi

does a drag n drop into the flash work

or do i have to double click on where it says application

[cerulean wadi]

Idk what application means. We're just putting the file on a flash drive, no double clicking.

[past rain]

ok now disassemble pc n install new cpu

[cerulean wadi]

No bruh, lol. Gotta go in current bios and get it updated w/ that file. I sent a good vid

[past rain]

o ok

[past rain]

@cerulean wadi k updating bios now after this may I switch out the cpu

@cerulean wadi I've been met with this screen do I continue

[hollow thorn]

Only option is run setup so go for it

[grizzled bloom]

That screen means the flash was successful so if you wanted you can shut it down and do the swap now

[past rain]

@grizzled bloom ok will do

[cerulean wadi]

Bingo. Will be fun to see 9700K on that screen in a while.

[past rain]

Hit a speed bump @cerulean wadi @grizzled bloom I bought a nzxt 240 aio n it says to connect the USB 2.0 internal header but I only have 1 so do I have to sacrifice 1 of my 2 plugs for my aio

My previous 2.0 plug was my 3 thermaltake fans in that header

[past rain]

Yea was no other way I basically need a eatx mb but don't got it so jus gonna have to deal

[past rain]

welp we locked in i7 installed still got my lights but no controlled lights no biggie

[limpid warren]

lol heck the only person who attacks my RAM is me

[grizzled bloom]

There's plenty of cheap ways to solve this.
You can get a 2.0 header splitter.
You can get a 3.0 to 2.0 adapter.
You can get an adapter that turns the header plug into a regular type A USB plug.

[past rain]

all g

[grizzled bloom]

Oh there's also PCIe cards and M.2 you can get to add more headers

[past rain]

my pc fans dont work but everything else is working

yea imma switch out my HDD

then my fans should work n switch to a nvme ssd

@grizzled bloom

case fans i meant

[grizzled bloom]

Ah I see. There's cheap adapters for those too.

[past rain]

yea i think i can configure sumthin to make it work

Everything else working

So I jus gotta consolidate my memory n upgrade n ill be able to have n available power to my case fans

@grizzled bloom

[vagrant mist]

Is that all exhaust?

[scenic solar]

me when error

[shy wyvern]

I am getting so fed up with my CPU. Constant crashing even with static voltage. and intel is like "we fixed oxidation issues in 2023". I purchased my cpu in december of 2022...

and then I try to get warranty help with it and try logging in with my email and I get this

like how do you have a submit a warranty claim option with my S/N yet I can't create an account to submit the warranty request???

This whole thing is a mess. I should've just bought a 7900x at the time

[dull flint]

@shy wyvern Try contacting intel through other channels

Like their discord has people who can probably help

Also contact your retailer as well

Warranties are usually endpoint claimed rather than direct from manufacturer

[dull flint]

https://youtu.be/2G-Y0yDSfeA?si=_-FjlSpLQ953wAhG

I believe the setting name is similar for other boards and brands

Though the place to find it should be different

And disclaimer, likely this may still not be a fix

[shy wyvern]

I have static voltage

At a pretty low voltage

I have a launch unit (manufacturered Sept 2022)

It might be oxidation issues

I've already tried voltage control but it keeps getting more and more unstable over time.

It's starting to degrade to where I'm having to raise the voltage but that's going to cause a runaway train effect

I just wish they were public about this before now because I really have done a lot before now to fix issues.

[dull flint]

@shy wyvern Just start trying every channel you can

To contact them or your retailer

[vagrant mist]

and risk losing lots of money? heell nah, they probably
aren't gonna do an official recall and really talk about it until they're forced to

[grizzled bloom]

It wouldn't make much sense to recall all of them anyway, since not all of them are affected and it's a gradually occurring issue.

At least from the business perspective

[vagrant mist]

fair enough, at least on the recall side

but then why put out a statement saying the microcode will fix everything and not ever mention permanent damage and degradation of chips and how microcode can't fix that

[grizzled bloom]

The official statement they made was very short, probably because the more they say the more they're digging themselves into a hole. We've gotten more details from unofficial channels.

[shy wyvern]

They mentioned in their statement that microcode won't fix CPUs that are already damaged

They acknowledged it!

[vagrant mist]

Oh yeah they did

Nvm

Still no way for normal people to even have an inkling on how they could mitigate the damage

They just have to sit there and pray

[pliant rock]

I bought myself a new computer case, because when I first built my PC I cheapened out on the case and it's quality was on the poorer side and I need more space for Hard Drives, so I bought a Corsair 5000D case on the suggestion of a friend who uses it and says it's good, (it was also on sale) and it matched what I needed. Then I thought since I'm going to have to take out most of the components from the computer anyway, should I replace my motherboard which is currently a Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite Wifi, socketed for an AMD chipset. I plan on sticking with AMD processors, so does anyone have any suggestions on a replacement or would it be best to keep the motherboard if it's fine as is. I'd like to future proof if necessary if my current Mobo is missing important features.

[burnt spear]

First off 5000d is overpriced and meh

The x570 was also likely very overpriced, and there's absolutely no reason to get a better mobo on the same socket

The next time you should upgrade your mobo is when you feel the need to upgrade your cpu

The motherboard does not affect performance or experience as much as you think it does

[pliant rock]

The CPU is my next upgrade I want to do

So I wanted to prep for it ahead of time

[burnt spear]

You cannot use your current cpu with a new motherboard

Your motherboard and cpu are on the am4 socket

[pliant rock]

Oh that’s right

[burnt spear]

A new motherboard would not be

A new cpu would not be either

[shy wyvern]

If they had a defect in 2022 with oxidation, and they corrected it as they said

Why not warn people that they had a manufacturing defect??

[dull flint]

Tulip

Honestly just get on the holler with them

As much as you can

And contact your retailer as well

Not your fault the website doesn't work

[shy wyvern]

Microcenter told me I had to go through intel

[dull flint]

Excuse me?

That's wrong

If you bought via a retailer, standard practice is the warranty via the retailer

I don't believe they told you the correct truth

[shy wyvern]

They gave me the batch number and serial number from my purchase

[dull flint]

I made it 10 seconds into google

I didn't even click on the page

[shy wyvern]

That's for full gaming builds

I am 1400 miles from my original store, they said I had to go through intel or go all the way back to Denver

[dull flint]

Ohhh

Ok that's why

[shy wyvern]

Yeah I live near Atlanta now

[dull flint]

It's obligation under their original point of sale

I was about to call that massively litigious

LOL

Ok fair enough

I would link the intel discord but I'm not allowed to

[shy wyvern]

Yeah that's how I knew to contact Intel in the first place

[dull flint]

You should start reaching out through any channels you can to them

Explain you're trying to do it and the website won't let you

[shy wyvern]

I did they said they will get back to me August 2nd

[burnt spear]

Three days is wild

[dull flint]

That's a standard response atm

I've heard that from multiple people

[burnt spear]

I need to submit my warranty claim when I get home

[dull flint]

So you're in a queue of probably a few hundred/thousand people

[burnt spear]

Can I find all the info I need in windows or do I need to clean the cpu off?

[dull flint]

The box has all the info

[burnt spear]

Don't have the box :c

[dull flint]

Heh

CPU

💀

[shy wyvern]

It's not even for the warranty claim, it's fixing my account so I can file!

[burnt spear]

PAIN

[shy wyvern]

Contact your seller

[burnt spear]

I'm prolly due for a repaste anyways

[dull flint]

Yeah I can't help past that point, but they're talking to you at least

[shy wyvern]

Microcenter got me the details without me having to take the cooler off

[burnt spear]

Oh interesting

I wonder if amazon will do the same

Felix

Since when is 5000xt about to be a thing

I hate it

[dull flint]

Since dying platform lives on AMD fine wine shilling

[burnt spear]

It's been literally years, stop beating the dead horse we don't need more irrelevant cpus

[shy wyvern]

It's actually great for people that only have a few hundred to upgrade

People sometimes just need to upgrade from 2600 to something new

Or a 3200G

[dull flint]

Oh yeah no doubt

But the socket won't improve further

They're just making up numbers now

[shy wyvern]

My friend went from 2060 super + 2600 to a 5700X3D

$200 upgrade

[dull flint]

I think a long term socket is great

But it's maxed out yk

[shy wyvern]

Well a lot of people don't upgrade computers for 5+ years anyways

[dull flint]

It won't improve but we're getting these binned versions like Intel KS chips

[shy wyvern]

Don't even talk about Intel they're making me tilted af

[dull flint]

I kinda agree with Bacca tbh, releasing more of the same thing as if it's new is a bit annoying

I have that whole qualm with 14th gen specifically cos of that

[burnt spear]

Ye but x3d should've been the end of it

[shy wyvern]

Also apparently if you are gifted the CPU, even if you have the original receipt, Intel will not accept the warranty claim. Has the be the original name on the receipt. I've never had to issue RMAing motherboards or other things for friends/family members?

[burnt spear]

Absolutely no one needs a 5800xt

Unless it costs like $150 or less

[shy wyvern]

I think they have their place for strictly upgrade purposes

As long as no one builds into a dead platform it's fine

[dull flint]

Seems to be the case with AMD as well afaik, warranties are denied in the states for prize items

[burnt spear]

Some of them maybe. 5600 and 5600x prices have been going up, so maybe 5600xt will come out around 110

5800xt if it's 5700x3d pricing makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

[dull flint]

I know someone just the other day denied an XTX warranty and it was a prize one

[shy wyvern]

Also they require you to go through your builder if it's a pre built. That's going to piss off a lot of builders when all the 13th and 14th gen start to get returned

[dull flint]

Yeah that's the standard here

Though they do that for all retail

[shy wyvern]

For such a big issue?

[dull flint]

So no warranty via manu here

Yes

It's not a formal recall yet

[shy wyvern]

They already said no matter what they're not recalling it

They just said to "contact support if you're having issues"

But they want us to wait for mid August for the microcode update

[dull flint]

I've seen so many tech companies try this before. If public opinion and stocks plummet as a result of those words then they WILL recall

Asus tried this with AM5

[shy wyvern]

But if the microcode is limiting voltage isn't that going to affect boost?

[dull flint]

And their repair department

We have newegg themselves

They will try to avoid a recall as much as possible

But nothing is certain

A recall is a big undertaking, doesn't mean huge backlash won't coerce them to cut their losses on one

[shy wyvern]

Well they have two separate issues. The 2022 13th gen models have oxidation issues, which is very different than the voltage issue that's affecting later models

[dull flint]

The implication is these chips could never boost that high to begin with

[dull flint]

Yes

Throw enough lawsuits and public negativity at a company and they will change their mind

[shy wyvern]

I'm definitely getting hit by the first one. September 2022 manufacturing date

[dull flint]

The entire reason Intel is suddenly doing all this was because of 1 video

[shy wyvern]

I literally have the launch batch

[dull flint]

It was dead quiet for 5 months

5 months

[shy wyvern]

Well if you look online 13th gen was having a lot of crashing issues

[dull flint]

Suddenly level1techs makes a very damning video and intel is sending weekly updates

[shy wyvern]

But we were all blaming the games

[dull flint]

Ya but that wasn't enough

Level1Techs got Enterprise talking

Suddenly they could see each other having issues and it wasn't just a weird coincidence

And enterprise is huge

[shy wyvern]

I ended up setting static voltage 1.28V and it fixed my issues for about a year and then I was screwed again

[dull flint]

Way bigger than consumer

[shy wyvern]

I'm down to 1.25 but I can't lower it anymore without lowering my clocks under 5.5. any higher is consistent crashing

[dull flint]

Intel started working on all this again because opinion of them absolutely tanked in one week

[shy wyvern]

Literally if I set above 1.25V I crash like crazy blue screens

[dull flint]

Genuinely think yours has something wrong hearing that

You should not need to be that low

[shy wyvern]

I've been gradually lowering it over time

Someone I know with a 13900K turned off their ecores and got it stable

I may try that

[dull flint]

Not even alder degraded at that low

[shy wyvern]

Like there's a serious issue with mine

[dull flint]

Curious if there's an LLC or vrm issue involved

What mobo are you using

[shy wyvern]

I am on my third motherboard, I've already tried swappinf

[dull flint]

Just tell me which lol

[shy wyvern]

Z790 A PRO

[dull flint]

Thank you

So under the bios settings, I believe it's under advanced cpu settings

[shy wyvern]

Had a Z690 P DDR4 before this

[dull flint]

Look for a setting called

IA VR Voltage Limit

Set that to 1.25V

Set ring bus clock down to 4 GHz

P core ratio to 53

[shy wyvern]

And before that a Asus Z690 motherboard

[dull flint]

E core ratio 40

You can turn off the static voltage if you like, it won't exceed 1.25v

[shy wyvern]

If I'm stable doni need to lower my core ratio below 55? I have it there