cpus-mobo-and-memory

[mental moat]

Its to the bottom right of my graphics card

I think i have to take out my freaking graphics card

[dull flint]

https://wccftech.com/intels-official-statement-14th-13th-gen-cpu-instability-issues-use-intel-default-settings-not-baseline/

Will update the post later.

[sudden creek]

You will need to look online but there is usually a Clear CMOS pin. what you do Is use a piece of metal and touch those pins when the pc is turned off

[placid zenith]

Hey everyone. I've been told to write on discord about troubleshooting with a motherboard... to know what people might think. Could I describe my problem here ? I have a Asus Prime B760M-A AX with a i9-14900KF and a RTX-A4000 with a Corsair SF750 with Fury KF548C38BBK2-32 ram. The light on the motherboard flashes quickly which indicates it's a DDR NOT FOUND PROBLEM. I can't seem to flash the bios of the board with this model... Any toughts ??.. Thanks !

[grizzled bloom]

You need to update the bios in order for that CPU to be compatible, but that board doesn't have flashback so you'll need an older model CPU to update with.

[placid zenith]

Jeez thanks for that. It helps a lot ! Is there a list of cpu that would be compatible somewhere that I could order the right CPU ? I need that motherboard because it's the only one on the market with 4x pci express slots..

[grizzled bloom]

If you go here https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xFm8cb
And select "choose a CPU" it will list all compatible ones, as well as the cost to buy one new. Keep in mind that 14th gen (raptor lake refresh) will need an update. I'd recommend a used G6900. It's about $60 and you can resell it once you're done with it.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1311&_nkw=celeron+g6900&_sacat=0&_odkw=intel+12100&_osacat=0&_sop=15

Maybe this one. Top rated US seller. https://www.ebay.com/itm/266213070522

[marble knot]

so 5800xs are like 240cad used on ebay

im thinking about a 5800x3d or a 5700x3d again

other than 400mhz lower clock on the 5700x3d is there any difference

[cursive epoch]

none

[novel shuttle]

selling the cpu,mobo and ram and just shifting to am5 with a 7500f is a better choice imo

[dull flint]

https://wccftech.com/only-5-out-of-10-core-i9-13900k-2-out-of-10-core-i9-14900k-cpus-stable-in-auto-profile-intel-board-partners-stability-issues/amp/

[topaz sedge]

Just bought a z790 edge. Will the corsair vengeance 6000 ddr5 c36 32gb be okay to replace my 3200 ddr4 that im currently running? And will the new ram be compatible with the new motherboard? Swapping from a b660m pro to the z790. Never upgraded anything in my pc before so any tips will help

Going for an all white build to match my GPU so the RAM/Motherboard I got both are White with RGB and still looking for a case/AIO/fans

[grizzled bloom]

As long as that's the DDR5 version of that motherboard that should work perfectly fine

[shy wyvern]

So my friend just went from a 1060 3gb to a 3060ti but their 4790k isn't strong enough for the gpu. Is this cheaping out too much for an upgrade?

I feel like it almost feels disgusting buying such a cheap combbo

Was wondering if we should splurge a bit for the $380 7700x combo

[burnt spear]

if possible yeah, newer socket, better cpu, twice the ram

[shy wyvern]

it's a 52% increase in price though, is it really worth it if they're just rocking a 3060ti?

[burnt spear]

if they value upgradability, imo yeah

[grizzled bloom]

There isn't much of an upgrade path from a 12600K. 13600K sure, you get about 10% better there in games at best. But 14600K is a joke, and that's the end of it.

If they plan to upgrade the GPU down the line next then AM5 could be a better investment.

As far as store credit offers go, this one doesn't look too bad

Nothing says you can't pay it off right away and get 0% interest

[shy wyvern]

Well

they're upgrading from a 4th gen intel cpu

they're the type to not upgrade for 10 or so years so they don't care about upgrade viability

they are probably keeping it until am7 comes out

[sudden creek]

Fair.

[quartz cobalt]

how much of an advantage does an i7 150u have over an i5 120u in a laptop

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on what you use it for

But meteor lake is pretty underwhelming

[quartz cobalt]

i just wanna edit videos on adobe and some after effects

while on the go

full specs:

[grizzled bloom]

After effects can use more threads but I don't think it'll benefit much from the faster clocks of the 150U

What it would benefit from is more memory

It doesn't look like the RAM is soldered so you can get the cheap 8GB option and buy a 32GB kit of memory

[quartz cobalt]

I see that makes sense

where can I get one for a laptop? ive never messed around with internals for a laptop

[grizzled bloom]

Ironically it'll be cheaper to do that than to get the 16GB option

Plus a free flash drive https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820331504?Item=N82E16820331504

[quartz cobalt]

W

ur the best thank u

[grizzled bloom]

Happy to help

[quartz cobalt]

wait i could also do the same thing with the nvme right?

i forgot to show that as well

[grizzled bloom]

Probably

But then you'll need to install windows from scratch

It's not too hard, and you'll definitely have a flash drive to do it lol

[quartz cobalt]

its like an additional 50 bucks for a 512gb

and 120 bucks for a terrabyte

[grizzled bloom]

HP is so greedy

[quartz cobalt]

yeah ill just flash it lol

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp33-2tb/p/N82E16820331431

Again, cheaper to get double the capacity

[quartz cobalt]

since im gonna be dragging files from my pc to the laptop do you think i could get by with 512gb?

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on how large the projects you're working on are

[quartz cobalt]

hmm i feel like videos are gonna be about 30mins-1hour of footage

[grizzled bloom]

You could scrape by with that

Or https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BF635YK?th=1

[quartz cobalt]

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-1tb-mp44l/p/N82E16820331919

found this

[grizzled bloom]

That's a good drive too

[quartz cobalt]

kk

i think that should be all

thanks again I appreciate your help

[twin mirage]

My pc turns on but none of the peripherals work (mouse, keyboard, monitors). Someone recommended me to check the mobo LEDs. When I turn it on it stops here. What does this mean?

[grizzled bloom]

Is this a new build? What board and CPU?

[twin mirage]

I fixed it. Got a bad ram stick

[grizzled bloom]

Ah, yeah I would have gotten there soon lol

Glad you got it

[twin mirage]

Thanks

Now I destroy these punks for giving me a hard time

[grizzled bloom]

Oh corsair, yeah that's super common actually

They have the worst PCB so even when they have good memory dies they can barely run the stock settings

[amber canopy]

They've fallen far from grace since the ddr3 days

[grizzled bloom]

Their DDR5 isn't horrible, at least it runs stock settings now, but their PMIC is often locked so no overclocking

[amber canopy]

So its terrible

🙂

[grizzled bloom]

It's bad but at least it runs now

Which is a massive improvement for them

[dull flint]

Vengememes

[amber canopy]

Real

[burnt spear]

they have the same qc issues with mixing dies tho

from what ive seen anyways

[warm fulcrum]

question, I have an EK nucleus AIO and whenever im in game is makes a high pitched noise. Thoughts?

and it only happens when in game. If im on just serfing the web it doesnt happen

i took the side panel off and im almost 100% sure its coming from the pump

[sudden creek]

Is the AIO front or top mounted and are the tubes above the pump and not below it?

Is the noise a recent thing or something that's been happening for a while like since setting up your pc?

[warm fulcrum]

@sudden creekits been happening for a while and just never thought much of it till just recently

[sudden creek]

Next time your pump starts to get loud, check your temps.

Could be a fan curve issue. also, if possible have your tubes stay above the pump due to air bubbles.

[warm fulcrum]

how else would i do that for the tubes to be above?

even if its side mounted its still gonna be to side of it

@sudden creek

what temps should I be wanting during a game? I know it depends on the game but its a 7800x3d so it gets hot naturally

[burnt spear]

7800x3d is the easiest cpu to cool

It won't overheat period, unless you didn't use thermal paste, didn't remove the little plastic thing from the aios cold plate, or something similar

[sudden creek]

Yeah only worry about the CPU if it's thermal-throttling (getting too hot so it slows itself down).

[warm fulcrum]

@burnt spearnah i did both lol. But like sitting here there is no noise....and even during certain games it wont make the noise

[sudden creek]

check your temps in the games that cause your pc to make noise then look at your fan curves.

So you can figure out if your fan curve is too aggressive and such.

[warm fulcrum]

ok i will give it a look. thx

[grizzled bloom]

If the 7800X3D is getting above 70C on any AIO then you've got a problem

[burnt spear]

?

It almost always runs in the 80s

Including aios

[grizzled bloom]

When gaming? I know benchmarking will do that

[warm fulcrum]

yeah im playing battlefield 2042 cpu is at 85 load , and 73 C and is making the sounds but its very quiet...seems to very on games

[burnt spear]

Is that a sentence

[warm fulcrum]

yeeh?

yeah?

[grizzled bloom]

I'm guessing there's a bad mount

85 is below tjmax (which is 89) but still oddly high

[warm fulcrum]

so i gotta like take the whole thing apart and remount the thing? lol

and i thought the 7000 series cpus were known for running a bit hot

[grizzled bloom]

The non 3D ones yeah

[warm fulcrum]

ah ok

[grizzled bloom]

And you don't really need to completely take it apart, just the screws holding the CPU block down

[warm fulcrum]

and just do what then? Re-screw it back down?

[grizzled bloom]

It's best to tighten them down a little at a time going in a cross pattern

So you get even pressure

[warm fulcrum]

ah ok. hoping thats all it does. I just shut Battlefield down and the noise goes away completely

[grizzled bloom]

If it's annoying enough you can RMA the cooler for the pump noise

[warm fulcrum]

true. hopefully i can fix it with that thought. AIOs are a pain to install

[dull flint]

Coil or pump whine

Reduce pump speed to maybe 70% static if you want to try alleviate it, it shouldn't affect aio performance at all

Could also be gpu whine

[dull flint]

No 3D vcache just makes these cpus hot no matter what you do, it's so insulated that even the single ccd chips have similar results to the dual ccd ones we use

[warm fulcrum]

yes its a coil whine...i didnt know the name for it

[dull flint]

Describe the pitch to me

[warm fulcrum]

it will literally get louder and quieter depending on what i am looking at in the game...would that make it the gpu?

[dull flint]

I have an EK elite with pump whine, I fixed it by changing the speed

[dull flint]

I'm pretty sure this is gpu but you can change the pump speed if unsure

If the pump speed is unchanging then yeah this is most likely gpu coil whine

[warm fulcrum]

can you fix a coil whime?

[dull flint]

And this is something that occurs in all gpus, just some worse than others

[warm fulcrum]

whine

[dull flint]

It's sometimes possible you can completely rid it by covering the offending coil yes

It's a vibration on the card from a part(s) vibrating faster and slower under load

Some are disgustingly loud

[warm fulcrum]

i mean it doesnt effect the performance thought right?

[dull flint]

But if you can find the part vibrating, which is really hard to do, you can cover it in putty and it almost completely stops

It doesn't affect performance no

Usually you can go for rma if coil whine is bad enough

It's a fairly common occurrence on xtx cards

[warm fulcrum]

I have a 7900xt lol

[dull flint]

There you go

I was pretty close lol

[warm fulcrum]

yup...hit the nail right on the head lol

[dull flint]

Powercolor in particular this gen have had a lot of issues with coil whine

[warm fulcrum]

thats what i have lol

[dull flint]

The cards tend to be great and quiet, but what this causes is coil whine becomes really audible

I believe they take rma for coil whine, especially if it's unbearable

[warm fulcrum]

it doesnt bother me to much because i have a headset on but i just didnt want something to be dying

[dull flint]

You find this happens a lot when you swap to waterloop

These things become noisy on all cards lol

Cos the usual sound that may have been there is drowned out by fans

[dull flint]

In your defence, as long as it's not so loud you are getting headaches, or it's potentially hearing damaging, you should be ok yeah

[warm fulcrum]

okc ool. u the man

cool

[dull flint]

Np

Powercolor cards are quite good, one of the better radeon brands

If it's not giving you any other issues, I would say you're doing quite well tbh

[warm fulcrum]

yeah i play in 1440p and it eats at any game

[dull flint]

Nice, glad to see you're liking it

[agile jolt]

Wondering is a motherboard could be throttling my network speeds? I have gigabit Internet, but I seem to be capped at 500mbs down whenever I actually try to download anything

Unless I'm just misunderstanding

[grizzled bloom]

It's more likely the server you're downloading from that's capping you

[agile jolt]

Ah, gotcha

[vast meadow]

Also if you're using wifi, especially with a default ISP router, they can almost never reach those speeds

[agile jolt]

I'm on Ethernet

[vast meadow]

Would run a check on speedtest.net to see

If you where downloading a file there's a chance your cpu/storage was the bottleneck/the server you're downloading from

[wind karma]

internet is the most annoying thing to troubleshoot I stg

in my room via wifi, my phone gets 105up/105down

my pc in the same room and on the same wifi gets 30up/105down

^ping in #networks-security-and-home-servers if you have input

[sudden creek]

Good afternoon,

What do you guys think a laptop with R5 5625U, 8GB RAM, 256GB Storage, and 15in screen is worth?

It's a old hp laptop.

[potent dew]

If it has a 5625U it can't be that old, what was the original price for the model?

Not sure where to put this, so I'll ask here. Does anyone have any idea how to find a good deal for parts in India? I'm trying to help my friend that lives there with building a PC, but prices are a lot higher there and PCPP doesn't have an India option. His budget is 42k INR or a bit more than $500.

[rocky beacon]

What's the exact model?

[burnt spear]

My guess would be 125-225

Screen quality being a big factor

[sudden creek]

gotcha.

[wind karma]

I'd say upper end of that. 5625U is a pretty solid chip.

Also the ryzen 7000 mobile chips aren't great (especially the low end ones)

looking at r/laptopdeals the amd offerings in the 0-300$ range seem to be 7520U chips, which are 4 zen 2 cores vs the 5625U's 6 zen 3 cores

5700U (also zen 2) going for $360, granted that's with more ram and storage

I'd say start closer to $250, maybe $300 if it has a nice screen/other nice to have features

[grizzled bloom]

That's because AMD decided it was a good idea to reuse the chips from the previous gens and rename them to pretend they're new

[wind karma]

yipee

glad i snagged a 5825U *for about $500

[grizzled bloom]

Granted they do run a lot better since they're on a newer package but not enough to call them "next gen"

[scenic solar]

Cl2.5? What?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes that used to be a thing

That's a really high capacity stick too

[cursive epoch]

really high for ddr

[scenic solar]

Yep, i think thats about the average for ddr2 on most people pcs

When ddr2 was still around

[cerulean wadi]

Average in* a few ways. These are more like what I recall my dad would get, usually picked Kingston though.

[shell swallow]

Is it true that a ryzen 7 3700x and i7 8700k perform very similarly in gaming and the 8700k does slightly better sometimes?

But the ryzen 7 3700x is better at rendering by a good amount

[grizzled bloom]

That sums it up nicely, yes.

The main reasons for the above being that the 8700K has 6 cores while the 3700X has 8. There's a few modern games that run on DX12 that can take advantage of more cores, so it really depends on what you play.

[shell swallow]

So I saw that on some games the 3700x performed better. What is the main reason those games can better take advantage of those extra cores?

[grizzled bloom]

Mostly because of the game engine they run on or directx version

Some engines are better at dividing up the load than others. There's a few modern engines that still only use 2 cores, while others can use 20.

[shell swallow]

Does streaming count as “rendering” and 3700x is also better for that, right?

[grizzled bloom]

That's usually done mostly on the GPU with a very light CPU load

But you are right in thinking it would be better for multi tasking

[scenic solar]

I'm selling a b460m motherboard and someone just asked me if it'll work with am4, specifically with a ryzen 5 as the 5700x
Bro... none of that made sense, it's literally a lga1200 mb and there's no r5 5700x

[grizzled bloom]

Probably trolling, maybe testing you

[wooden valve]

So im trying to see if I either have a bottleneck I can fix to improve performance or if I just need to upgrade hardware.

Mobo: ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X
CPU: RYZEN 3600X
GPU: XFX SWIFT RX 6650XT 8GB
RAM: 48GB (CORSAIR LPX 16GB DDR4 3000 X2 and CORSAIR LPX 32GB DDR4 3000.
Though in CPU-Z, 2 of the ram show to run at 1033mhz and another at like 1100 ish. XMP 2.0 is enabled though. Nothing is over clocked

[ripe tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-dear-making-the-cut-worried-oh-my-oh-boy-gif-22519241

[wooden valve]

?

[grizzled bloom]

Mixing RAM kits is just a bad idea. Those speeds you're seeing are exactly the reason why. If you're just gaming there's really no reason to use more than 32GB.

Plus Corsair DDR4 is awful in general. A lot of the time they simply can't run the rated speeds without crashing everything.

[dull flint]

Can bet if these kits were bought at separate times they have completely different kits

[wooden valve]

That makes more sense. They are the same exact specs just one is higher capacity. Sounds like I'm better off just getting another 2x kit entirely

What brand has decent performance to replace those?

I did go in to the bios and manually set everything to run at 3000 but I feel like last time I did that it eventually crashed. Plus isn't 3000 kinda on the low end these days?

[grizzled bloom]

3000 is quite low. 3600 is the sweet spot for Ryzen 3000/5000. You can see as much as a 15% improvement in CPU performance since the infinity fabric is tied to the memory speed.

[dull flint]

They can be the same spec but run off of one of maybe several dozen different possible ddr4 chips, all of which behave very differently in a motherboard making compatibility between them harder

[wooden valve]

I see. So sounds like my poor choice in memory for my hardware is what is holding it all back. I mean i know it isn't a cutting edge build but it just didn't seem to perform as well as expected out of that gpu/cpu combo

[dull flint]

This is double the case with vengeance as their 3200 bin is infamously laden with issues

It is not the 3000 bin no

[wooden valve]

So better to just look for a dual kit to replace them entirely.

[dull flint]

Or just take the 16gb kit out

Leave 32gb in

[wooden valve]

Could do that

[dull flint]

That's more than enough for a gaming pc

[grizzled bloom]

That would be your cheapest, most effective upgrade. I'd also suggest what felix said plus seeing if you can overclock it to 3600 c18, because it does make a big difference.

[wooden valve]

Could I just leave in the 32gb and oc? What do I need to look at to be sure the board and all can even do it? Or just replace it with something else and oc that

Oc is something I have zero experience in lol

[grizzled bloom]

Used is a few dollars cheaper than new, personally with this small of a difference in price I'd go new. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PJ6qqs/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-z-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tlzgd432g3600hc18jdc01

You could sell your old memory and buy this

You'd probably end up with a small profit that way

[wooden valve]

I'm not so worried about the money. Just want to get the most out of my build. Odd stuttering and fps issues that shouldn't happen considering I only play on 1080p until I replace my monitor. Hoping to optimize what I have. Thanks for the advice and tips! I'll get to replacing that ram

[grizzled bloom]

As for what memory will work on that board, Asrock has certified memory kits up to 4000 speed work on your exact board. 3600 should be plug and play.

[wooden valve]

Sweeeet. So my board should actually be OK for a while

[grizzled bloom]

That was the whole purpose of the AM4 platform

Longevity

Just make sure to update BIOS

[wooden valve]

So I need to be sure to have either a summit or raven if I'm looking at this correctly?

[grizzled bloom]

That spec sheet was made before 3000 series, matisse, existed

3000 series greatly improved on memory and infinity fabric performance

[wooden valve]

I has Matisse on it. Or is this a newer Matisse that they never updated for

I mean updated their list

[grizzled bloom]

Oh, that was probably at launch of matisse then before they worked out the kinks

They rarely update the spec sheet

[wooden valve]

So with a bios update I should be fine

[grizzled bloom]

Yep. Latest bios is from January of this year.

I did mention longevity lol

https://download.asrock.com/BIOS/AM4/X370 Gaming X(L10.08)ROM.zip

[wooden valve]

Much appreciated. I'll get that done and hopefully see the performance I should out of this hardware

[dull flint]

@olive totem ur in the AMD server right

Do they have any key figures there about CPU Arch

[olive totem]

yes

[olive totem]

and idk what you mean

[dull flint]

Well I kinda figured out a question finally if they do another Q&A

Lol

[olive totem]

OHHH

figure as in a person

lmao

uhhh, I couldn't say if there was or not, id have to take a closer look, im not super active in there @dull flint

[dull flint]

Alr

[olive totem]

from looking around not that I can tell

just a few amd community employees, that sapphire community guy, and i think an alienware guy ive seen

[silent plaza]

If I have a 9400f, how badly would a 6750xt be bottlenecked?

I know its hard to measure this kind of thing accurately but generally for 1080p games would that combo be alright

[burnt spear]

Not a horrible pairing imo

9400f is probably around 3600 perf, which didn't limit my 3060 ti much in most games at 1080p

[dull flint]

@grizzled bloom @burnt spear lots of possible hot air swirling that the new 15th gen isn't an improvement yet again

[grizzled bloom]

Don't you mean "Core Ultra 200"

But yeah that lines up with what I've heard and it makes sense if you look at Meteor Lake on laptops

The lake that is worse than the predecessor

[dull flint]

Yes it does

But there's still months in the dev cycle

Anything can happen but yeah I can also see it not turning out that great either

[novel shuttle]

Despite the huge node jump

Disappointing then 😕

[grizzled bloom]

The node matters more for power consumption. What the problem is turning out to be is their "tile" architecture. They're struggling to make it work with more than 16 cores, including E-cores.

That's why the top Meteor Lake chip only had 6p/8e

Meanwhile AMD seems to be gearing up for 24c/48t on desktop

[dull flint]

I really want to see that APU they talked about with the ridiculous CU count

Sounds like something they'd stick in like a PS5 pro

[grizzled bloom]

Did you also see they're doing an Epyc chip on AM5 socket

Nothing in theory ever prevented them from doing this before, it's all the same CCX designs

[dull flint]

I saw that ages ago

It's quite literally going to be like base level threadripper but you will probably want the board to support the pcie laning

Nvm I thought it had that

Turns out it's just ECC

Which on AM5 is like...

???

The infinity fabric already behaves really strongly as if it has ECC

[grizzled bloom]

PCIe lanes would come from the IO die, which would probably be the standard AM5 one

[dull flint]

If you push the FCLK too high the PC will just crawl instead of BSOD

It can go so high it doesn't boot I guess

Maybe it's for the insane kids that want 192gb

ECC being the only reason is like using W790 lol

Yeah it's quite literally just a 7950X3D with ECC support

They're just X3D chips

OOOO

4124P is 4 CORE

[novel shuttle]

this?

[dull flint]

Ye

@grizzled bloom @burnt spear I'm considering potentially no longer recommending a 5600/x/5500

It's starting to move on in it's age where it's looking like a lot of basic gaming tasks are starting to struggle

@vagrant mist How's 3600 for you rn?

You play at 1440p right

[vagrant mist]

I do play at 1440

It's showing it's age I think though, especially with cpu focused exports

Slower than my laptop lol

[dull flint]

Yeah that's what I was observing today

Thing will chug to 100 on some of the easier titles now

[vagrant mist]

I feel like it's also frame limiting me as well yeah

[dull flint]

So yeah I might start steering away from it in future

That to me is telling of it hitting the final nail in the coffin for AM4

Unless you manage to find a 5600X3D somehow for a good price

[burnt spear]

I haven't been, although 12400f is my budget recc

[dull flint]

Well 12600KF is around that price now isn't it

[burnt spear]

127 vs 160

[dull flint]

5700XT is 120 tho

What I was witnessing wasn't kinda bad

It was pretty bad

It has me thinking the day that 6 core dies is probably before 16gb becomes unusable

[burnt spear]

Nah I doubt that

Not with the 7600 being a thing

[dull flint]

We did it again

Lol

I meant that 6 core

Not all 6 core

[burnt spear]

Ah

[grizzled bloom]

4 cores became the minimum only recently, 6 cores or more is still going to be good for a while

[naive pendant]

My son's PC is running a Ryzen 3100 and a 5600xt
I want to upgrade his CPU (to another am4 chip) and use the 3100 in a home media server build
An x3d chip is pretty overkill, and amd has confused me with all the additions they've made to the low end (5500 vs 3600 vs 5600GT vs 4600 etc)
My instincts tell me to just get a 5600 non x but I don't think a 5600xt is really gonna push it very hard. Seems like I can get something that'll perform roughly the same for a lot cheaper (considering he's also only on a 1080p 60hz display)

I've noticed some frame drops with him playing fallout 4 and Minecraft
Minecraft is almost certainly a cpu limitation, and I can't say for sure about fallout 4 but the Internet does say it's heavier on the CPU than the gpu

[cursive epoch]

5600 won't be pushed hard by 5600xt. if anything it's a balanced combo

giving him an x3d cpu sounds overkill, but it'd mean his pc would last longer in the long run

altho for example, 5700x3d has the perf of 7600

it's still worth it imo

[naive pendant]

It's an itx build so I want to use the lowest power chip I possibly can, cause its also used for our main streaming PC so it's in all the frigging time

[cursive epoch]

then 5600 would be the answer

[naive pendant]

The 3100 has been great in that respect, it only pulls like 50w under load
Perfect for a stock cooler and a single 200mm intake fan
It's just slower than it could be

[cursive epoch]

5600 can also run on said stock cooler just fine

it'll be a decent uplift without putting out too much heat

or using up too much power

[naive pendant]

In that case what about a 5700x, though?
I guess the 5700x is limited to 76w ppw just like the 5600

[burnt spear]

What case is it may I ask?

If x3d is possible 5700x3d is $205 rn which would give a good bit of headroom for a gpu upgrade down the line. Otherwise 5600 or 5700x are both very easy to cool

It's about 20% better than the non 3d iirc

[cursive epoch]

^

[naive pendant]

Thermaltake core v1
(Official specs are wrong. Max gpu length is ~254mm. I know this because I got a sapphire 5600xt pulse for it which is 255mm and installing it took a lot of doing)

Even on the box it came in, thermaltake claims it can accommodate a 285mm gpu
It absolutely cannot

[burnt spear]

If it can fit a thermalright silver soul 135 5700x3d would be fine

It'll be a bit toasty but fine

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sRPQzy/thermalright-silver-soul-135-82-cfm-cpu-cooler-silver-soul-135-black-d2

Could throw a second fan on too

[naive pendant]

I might do just a 5600x
I have a friend who wants to upgrade the PC he uses for work
My PC has a 5900x and his has a 5600x
If I trade him my 5900x for his 5600x and like $100, I can get a 5800X3D for myself, put the 5600x in my son's, and use the 3100 for the server
As long as I can cool a 5600x in that case
Even the 3100 gets a bit toasty. Like 78° tdie according to hwinfo

Which is fine
But the 3100 uses like no power under load. Usually like 50-55w under load and like 35w idle

[cursive epoch]

5600x is the same as 5600

if you enable eco mode

[naive pendant]

It's an a520 board so idek which features are omitted or if eco mode is one of them

I just know this 3100 being locked down at 3.9ghz isn't cutting it

[burnt spear]

Sounds like a good plan, id do 5700x3d though

Good bit cheaper for near identical perf

Like 3% slower?

[grizzled bloom]

A520 only locks the core multiplier, voltage, and PBO, you can still set eco mode

[sour estuary]

so ya framework is currently limited with Ram? any sugegstions

https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/what-dram-memory-is-supported-by-framework-laptop-16-ryS2Xr3ch

somone posted 2013
"Most RAM should just work, and at their standard JEDEC timings. Intel XMP and AMD EXPO timings aren’t supported currently. However, since this is a pretty new platform, keep in mind that there may be issues and incompatibility for a while. Picking completely blind (without 1. and 2.), I’d go for the major brands (also for quality assurance), but most if not all should eventually work as if I’m not mistaken are all either Micron (Crucial), SK Hynix, or Samsung chips."

maybe this https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-RipJaws-SO-DIMM-CL38-38-38-76-F5-4800S3838A16GA2-RS/dp/B0C64HZSRX/ref=asc_df_B0B1LS79G2

[lethal cipher]

Anyone have any experience with replacing a motherboard in a laptop? My laptop started turning off occaisionally and now to the point where it is turning on and then shortly afterwards, turning off. Even a ice pack underneath it won't give it much additional time before it shuts off. I've tested most that I can at my level but I think the motherboard is delaminating. I'd like to keep the computer so I'm considering replacing the motherboard myself or finding a vendor that can do it. Any insight?

[grizzled bloom]

On most laptops you'll find that the majority of the critical components are soldered to the motherboard. That means that often the motherboard replacement is more expensive than buying a similar used laptop and swapping your storage into it.

[lethal cipher]

I've considered swapping over to a donor and have replaced the computer already. I'm not finding lots of donors out there so that is why motherboard replacement is being considered.

[grizzled bloom]

What's the exact model number on the laptop? I'll see what I can find

[lethal cipher]

15-df10339x HP

[deep pewter]

this is my current setup but i upgraded my ram to 32gb. i’ve been struggling in fivem running 50-80 fps with spikes here and there. it isn’t my internet, its the fivem server because im almost positive its script intensive. i’ve been looking to upgrade my cpu, what would be a good cpu to coincide with this setup?

[cursive epoch]

You're stuck with that cpu now

There's no upgrade path past 11th gen

It's either the cpu throttling or you really need a better cpu

Which means

Buying a board, ram and said new cpu

And maybe even a cooler

[burnt spear]

What cooler is it

A picture would work

I'd download hwinfo64 and look at cpu temps under load

[deep pewter]

CPU Cooler: RGB CPU Cooler
Case Fan: 3 x 120 mm ARGB fans, 1 x 120mm black case fan (rear)

[deep pewter]

so i can’t upgrade to a i9?

[hollow thorn]

You can upgrade to a "i9" 11900k, but it will perform worse than say a "i5" 14600k, like up to 25% worse in games

[burnt spear]

That doesn't help

Could you take a picture

11900k performs about 3% better than the 11700f in games

[deep pewter]

a pic like this?

[burnt spear]

Further left

[lyric turret]

hey i need some 48 gb ram set

for my build

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zPfxFT/gskill-ripjaws-s5-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl36-memory-f5-6400j3648g24gx2-rs5k

[fiery shadow]

Hello, im looking to upgrade my ram, i have a dell 0DXJD9 version A00 mother board and was wondering what the best i could put in it, currently have 2 8gb ddr4 2666mhz pc4-21300

Any suggestions or where i could look to find the answer

[lyric turret]

this good for cod?

should i just get some 64 gb of ram>

[olive totem]

@dull flint @grizzled bloom @burnt spear do you guys this their keynote will reveal zen 5 and rdna 4?

https://www.youtube.com/live/MCi8jgALPYA?si=Hp7Dm_0qf4OdEN2C

live in 5 hours

[burnt spear]

Possibly, I haven't really paid attention to the time line for new releases

[olive totem]

from the stuff ive paid attention to

rnda 4 is set for late q4 or q1 25 i think

and zen 5 for sure later this year

i think

insert magic 8 ball gif

[grizzled bloom]

CoD is happy with 32GB, 48 is more than enough

[vast meadow]

Cods perfectly fine with 16gb

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe, but I think it might be just talking about current things with an announcement of their announcement at their own event later.

[burnt spear]

Tbf I did hit ram limit on wz1 while streaming with 16gb, but I also didn't debloat windows and I probably had at least a few background tasks

[vast meadow]

Well wz3 has no problem with my 16gb with like discord/chrome open and Nvidia broadcast (takes like 1gb)

[lusty basin]

I need some help. My Mobo, a NZXT z690, is not drawing any power. Everything is properly plugged in. I tried changing the mobo battery, and it booted the pc for a split second before shutting off. None of the lights are flashing or anything

[olive totem]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-introduces-ryzen-9000-zen5-desktop-cpus-granite-ridge

[grizzled bloom]

Is this a new build or a new problem?

[grizzled bloom]

July?! Dang they really want to bury Intel before they have a chance to crawl out of that hole don't they

[olive totem]

the stream hasnt started yet, i checked twitter and that was posted

but yeah july suprised me

i didnt look too much at that website i want to hear it from lisa lol

the box looks cool

okay stream finally started

[burnt spear]

I'm going to buy a used cpu locally and it's nothing but the cpu itself. What should I use to transport it?

5600 btw, so pins are a factor

[lusty basin]

New problem

Sorry, just set up my old PC

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, which processor do you have

[olive totem]

bubblewrap

[lusty basin]

Intel 13700k

[grizzled bloom]

Not KF?

[lusty basin]

Nope

Wasn/

*Wasn't in stock at the time

[grizzled bloom]

I stick it in a piece of soft foam

[grizzled bloom]

That's working to your benefit here.
Try taking the GPU out and plug the monitor into the motherboard.

[lusty basin]

I've resigned myself for tonight, but in the morning I'll do that

I just took the GPU out and put it in my old PC

I tried reseating the CPU but to no avail, if this stuff doesn't work I think I might just take it into a shop and bite the bullet

But yeah, I'm calling it for the night bc I've spent the better part of today screwing with it

[grizzled bloom]

Any highlights so far

I saw MSRP should match 7000 series and there's a 16% IPC bump

[olive totem]

it actually just finished

alot of it i didnt really understand tbh, i liked listening to it though

you'd have to watch a recap of it yourself or smth I can't explain anything of it tbh im not smart enough

[grizzled bloom]

Ah so they focused on more technical stuff?

I'll check out recaps when they come out in like an hour

[fast moth]

yo can i dm u a question

[grizzled bloom]

Sure

[olive totem]

just lots of ai and mentions of technology i dont know

EPYC was mentioned

[grizzled bloom]

Just like Nvidia then. There was a drinking game about every time Jensen said AI you take a drink... I'm pretty sure everyone that played is dead now

[grizzled bloom]

Ooh X870 boards will all have USB 4.0.
We also have a solid promise for new processors on AM5 through 2027 at a minimum. Normally I'd say take a promise like that with a grain of salt but AM4 proved they can do it, and that was a major factor for lots of builders.
Kudos to AMD for actually comparing the new gen to the current gen, instead of comparing the new gen to 2-3 gens ago. (looking at you Apple)
Epyc Turin 192c/384t, compatible with current motherboards.

[grizzled bloom]

5800XT and 5900XT processors too, interestingly. They look the same but with a clock bump on the 5800XT and a little bit more L3 on both.

[olive totem]

wild that theres still "new" am4 stuff

[grizzled bloom]

There's apparently going to be more, their slide said AM4 until 2025

[olive totem]

is it weird to me that at a glance zen 5 feels underwhelming?

[grizzled bloom]

Consider the efficiency improvements. To get a 16% average IPC increase while using 60% of the power is incredible.

7600X and 7700X are 105W, 9600X/9700X is 65W

9900X is at 120W, down from 170W on 7900X

9950X is still 170W but you have to expect that for the top chip, they're giving it all she's got

[grizzled bloom]

Oh dang I totally missed the 5900XT is a 16 core processor, not 12. What a weird chip.

What would you call that? 5925X?

[dull flint]

Oh wow Ryzen looks interesting

[dull flint]

They can't make it go much higher than last gen anyway cos of the physical design of it

Also they woke up to the design choices I was nagging them about from 7K

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah there's some low end boards that simply can't run a 7950X without dying

[olive totem]

is there going to be the issue of the dual CCD or whatever it is with the current 7900s

[dull flint]

7700/X, 7600/X now just one united SKU

[dull flint]

Wait and see

Odds are yes

[olive totem]

why would they continue if they know thats a thing

why not fix it

[dull flint]

Because 8 cores is all you need

It's a physical distance on the board

It's not easily fixed unless they stopped using chiplet lol

[grizzled bloom]

That remains to be seen, but they have touted better memory support and I've seen CPU-Z subs with a 9950X getting DDR5-8400 running, and I'd hope that FCLK gets a bump as well to help with dual CCD issues.

[olive totem]

https://tenor.com/view/math-confuse-numbers-gif-10041147

mhm

i agree

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

lol

If that CPU-Z sub is accurate then AMD will have better memory support than Intel

[olive totem]

better memory support as in higher speeds?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

As in supporting better memory

[dull flint]

8400 sounds like the new desync target

[grizzled bloom]

Ye I doubt UCLK can get to 4200

No way the jump is that high

[dull flint]

There'd be a much bigger jump if it could I would think

Now, they have said processor support through 2027

Which almost even confirms a 3rd gen

[grizzled bloom]

Specifically they said new processors until 2027+

I'd say that all but confirms a 4th gen

[dull flint]

2025, X3D

2026, Zen 6

2027 Zen 6 X3D

If a 2028 pops up we get 4 gens

AM5 looking like the way to stay for a long time right now

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe, but they did say they're on an 18 month cycle now so 2 gens in 3 years

[dull flint]

This is a good announcement for them

They accelerated?

Does that cycle include x3d tho

[grizzled bloom]

"They" being AMD employees off the record.
Yes that's full gens, X3D falls in between

[dull flint]

Neat

[olive totem]

i wanted them to pull a rdna 4 name drop like they did for 3 i just wanna see the reference cooler lol

[dull flint]

Quickly becoming as goofy ahh pointless as my phone

[dull flint]

speaking of which, is rdna 4 being announced

[dull flint]

Think I realised why they're doing this, adds pressure to intel

[olive totem]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

[grizzled bloom]

There's new AI cards announced but no consumer stuff

[olive totem]

why is there no 7700x3d or 7600x3d

is it just not worth putting x3d cache on the lower end chips?

[grizzled bloom]

The 7600X3D would cut into the sales of the 7800X3D, and the 7800X3D is the 7700X3D

There's no 7800X

[dull flint]

5600x3d was a limited run too

Though we may still see it from the 7900x3d downbins

[olive totem]

if i really feel like it i might get a zen 5 x3d chip

that'll prob be late this year correcr? x3d launch?

[dull flint]

We will

Though I'm debating skipping

Since I got three gens on this board

Depends if I move off intel soon

[olive totem]

that being?

[dull flint]

7000 9000 10000

Sorry three

[olive totem]

oh

nvm i was thinking of smth else

also

in the naming scheme for radeon, where does the 5 come from in say ryzen 5 7600

it has 6 cores

[grizzled bloom]

I'm not so sure since the 7900X3D is already a downbin of the 7950X3D

[grizzled bloom]

I'm definitely skipping, I just got this processor a few months ago after all

I'll wait for 12 core CCDs

[dull flint]

Fault and fused second ccd chips could very well be another "limited edition" 7600x3d lol

Keep cutting it down till there's nothing left 😂

[grizzled bloom]

Another limited run, maybe. It'll be much later, if ever.

[cursive epoch]

7300x3d

xd

[dull flint]

Only 4 cores work? Let's make it an epyc

12/16 fused off let's go

[cursive epoch]

12 cores ccd will be fun

9900X3D

Gaming and workstation beast

[grizzled bloom]

That'll be the 10k series according to current rumors

[cursive epoch]

oh

[dull flint]

They said zen 5 would be double core ccds too

[grizzled bloom]

9k is 7k+

[cursive epoch]

Rumors are just

A mess

[grizzled bloom]

On epyc it is

[dull flint]

Is it?

[grizzled bloom]

192c/384t plus NPUs

[dull flint]

What the die lookin like

[grizzled bloom]

Lisa Su held one up, hang on

[cursive epoch]

NPUs

Do consumers even need one

In ryzen cpus no less

[grizzled bloom]

As of now, no

[cursive epoch]

It's just a waste of die space

[grizzled bloom]

Once they're more mainstream we might see improved AI processing in games

[cursive epoch]

At least as of now

MS recently released directSR

Another dlss competitor that works in all games

All gpus

[dull flint]

Nothing scares me more than the idea of a game completing the code with ai

[cursive epoch]

same

AI written code

yikes

[dull flint]

Additionally, nothing excites me more than an ai finishing a game 😂😂😂

[cursive epoch]

Nvidia G-Assist

I can say something about that but I'd probably get bonked here

[grizzled bloom]

I saw that, Nvidia is about to start tripping anti cheat with AI aim assist

[dull flint]

That's 48 per ccx

Wait

[grizzled bloom]

One of those is NPUs

[dull flint]

48 at double ccd size

[dull flint]

The middle with io I'm betting

Yeah that's more like twice the cores in the same space

[grizzled bloom]

I wish it was a higher res image so we could see the separate CCDs on the CCX

Later though

[dull flint]

Well I mean

48 per

Twice the size of a zen 4 ccd from it's appearance

Actually it's more like 3 times

[grizzled bloom]

You can't really tell if it's 3 CCD per CCX or more from here, it could be 6 for all we know

[dull flint]

Then it's 2 per 1

Well it's def 48 per ccx tho

[grizzled bloom]

That much is for sure

[dull flint]

AMD does chiplet in parallel

But going by like, the size of the ccx? It's probably twice as typically dense

Each ccx is like no bigger than the tip of a thumb

48 cores

[grizzled bloom]

One way or another going from 96 to 192 cores on a single processor, then taking into account there's dual socket boards, this is an insane CPU

[dull flint]

Indeed

[grizzled bloom]

Good news for current epyc owners too since it's a drop in upgrade

We'll see those movies in task manager get double the resolution

[dull flint]

So zen 6 consumer could be double core ccd's

NO

WAIT

1 CCD FOR ALL

[grizzled bloom]

If this is a 3CCD per CCX design then yes that's totally doable

16c desktop chip with one CCD

32c with 2 CCD

[dull flint]

Zen 6 is absolutely worth my gamble now

[grizzled bloom]

Even if it's 4 CCD per, that's a 12c CCD

No wait, I just found confirmation that it's 16c per ccd

[dull flint]

There you go

I was estimating based off the size of Lisa's finger tips

And it proved accurate xD

[dull flint]

Yeah that's a bullseye

So next gen ryzen will be double core counts for sure

Ain't no way unless they absolutely flounder it in enterprise which is unlikely unless they found some per ccd architecture limit

From now on I'm specifically measuring everything using the size of lisa su's hand

[grizzled bloom]

Now keep in mind these are Zen5c (compact, lower power cores), but we're also seeing hints that Zen6 epyc (venice) will be 256c

[dull flint]

Actually this all makes complete sense, they moved to cut power way down on the socket

For the same core clocks

Which means it goes one of two ways for zen 6

Or rather

Ryzen 10k

Much higher clocks, same ccd architecture

Or

Much larger 16c ccds

Similar boost clocks

Lower power yet again

Similar tdp

They can't breach 170W tdp

The chips are boosting as high as they go

The physical IHS will stop them unless they make allowances for a newer gen to be different

[grizzled bloom]

Zen 6 epyc will be a new socket, SP7 for the higher core ones and SP8 for the lower count

Oh mostly because it'll have PCIe 6.0 so a new socket is mandatory

And yes I know what you're thinking, "already?"

It's only been, what, 3 years, and by the time it launches maybe 5?

[dull flint]

At this rate they have to

If full GB202 is to be believed

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen rumblings about a PCIe x32 interface, no idea how close to reality that is

Imagine the sheer speed of a 6.0 x32 slot

Well we don't need to imagine, the spec is already finalized so all we need is math
https://pcisig.com/pci-express-6.0-specification

512GB/s over an x32 interface

I can copy my entire SSD in 2 seconds flat

[dull flint]

That's a lot of usb

[grizzled bloom]

Considering USB 4 speeds, on an x16 card you could have a max of 6x 40GBps ports

No wait... that source was incorrect

It's 40Gbps, so divide by 8 to get 5 GBps, one 6.0 x16 slot can do 256GBps...

51

USB 4.0 40Gbps ports

I...

Don't think you can physically fit that many

[dull flint]

Sounds like you need to be more determined

I want my entire backside of my pc covered in usb

[grizzled bloom]

I kind of want to get an AI to generate an image of the all USB C monstrosity

Because they would have to be on the inside too

Microsoft did not disappoint

It got a little confused about what a usb c port is but still

[dull flint]

Also the size of a usb vs the card

I love how amazon marketing is clearly a huge benefactor to these images

[grizzled bloom]

That second one in particular, yeah

The last one will be in my nightmares tonight

[lethal cipher]

Any luck?

[soft delta]

Hey ho, hope you all feeling well 🙂

I have a question, maybe somebody can help. I need a Laptop that is good for AutoCAD . Now I found this model right here with a i5-1340P but don't if this is enough or not because Google doesn't tell me anything

HP Pavilion Plus Laptop it is. 16 GB RAM DDR 4

[grizzled bloom]

Salvage the motherboard from this one, bonus is you get other spare parts https://www.ebay.com/itm/276486234304
Or just the motherboard https://www.ebay.com/itm/325788670371

[grizzled bloom]

That laptop actually won't meet the recommended specs for autocad. It requires a discrete GPU with 8GB of memory which that laptop doesn't appear to have.

[soft delta]

Yeah that's right. There is no dgpu. You think I can get a good deal under 1000€?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably. Which country?

[soft delta]

Germany

[olive totem]

all the stuff amd announced yesterday ^

[grizzled bloom]

Not all of it but most

[grizzled bloom]

Here's a few to look at. I don't speak German so I can't get into specifics, but something with a 3070 mobile would be good since autocad requires more GPU power than CPU.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/166799813622
https://www.ebay.de/itm/226170262914
https://www.ebay.de/itm/145458327842
https://www.ebay.de/itm/335417877548
https://www.ebay.de/itm/387042031344

[olive totem]

@dull flint @grizzled bloom no idea how long this has been live but this is intel's keynote rn https://www.youtube.com/live/2nZg3v7h0kU?si=Z91NU9R47IWnXOs6

maybe like 20-30 mins its been live'

[grizzled bloom]

I'll watch GN's recap where they tear them apart for talking about nothing but AI

[olive totem]

real

what is the deal with intel's gpu department btw, are we expecting anything new from them this year?

ive heard stuff about battlemage whatever that is

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah we're expecting battlemage soon™️

Q4 earliest

[olive totem]

performance wise whats expected from that do you know?

[grizzled bloom]

No clue, nothing but vague rumors so far. I don't think it's even started shipping to board partners.

[olive totem]

oh

convienant https://youtu.be/MGD41i5QCyk?si=ZlNCzVnKWdBJ85Tk

[olive totem]

what is this guy yapping about

[grizzled bloom]

Shills gonna shill

[dull flint]

Literally contradicting himself

[cursive epoch]

he's the cpupro guy

confirmed

100 percent

(joke)

[grizzled bloom]

"lol amd chery piking benchs agin"
proceeds to cherry pick a bench

[dull flint]

He's contradicting himself

"In the recent HZD video intel beats AMD"

So....

That means they won against faster intel in the new update...right???

So it could in fact be better than expected

[lethal cipher]

Thanks for looking. That first one doesn't appear to have the same specs on the MB, but that second one seems right. Traveling at the moment so I can't take a better look at the MB. Appreciate your help!

[grizzled bloom]

Lots of interesting stuff at the g.skill booth. Are you guys ready for DDR5-10600 Royals?

[cursive epoch]

Oh god

Royals are back

I wonder tho, in the future of CAMM2

How would the royals look?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably a sticker with rgb to put over the CAMM slot

[cursive epoch]

lmao

[dull flint]

APU sticks lol

[olive totem]

@dull flint go get em https://youtube.com/shorts/kEjUKwbbjco?si=LGL42GrQIEAjR6NK

[fast moth]

89 degrees Celsius 1 core max and 214 w power usage, should I undervolt? The temperatures are fluctuating between 85 to like 87 and also 4698 MHz clock speed p cores and 3591 e cores

CPU : 12700k

[burnt spear]

that sounds fairly normal, maybe a bit warm for 12700k under a pa120 se

id expect around 80c at 215w

[fast moth]

The voltage max was 1.345

Idle temps around 30 degrees

[fast moth]

I prob did something wrong with the thermal paste lol

[burnt spear]

sounds fine though, as long as it's under 95c (ideally under 90)

and you're not going to be hitting anywhere near 215w with normal loads anyways

[fiery shadow]

Does anyone know where I could look to find a best ram that’s compatible for my computer? I have a prebuilt dell g5

[burnt spear]

What cpu

[fiery shadow]

I7-9700 @3ghz

[grizzled bloom]

That'll use standard DDR4 memory. Max speed is 2666, any stick rated faster will just run at that speed.

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

[fiery shadow]

Alright. Thank you

[fiery shadow]

Does the pc4 matter? I see there are option for 21333, 21330, 21300

[grizzled bloom]

No it doesn't matter

[fiery shadow]

Ok

[burnt spear]

Any idea on value for this?

[grizzled bloom]

I'd imagine not much, CPU and GPU are ewaste. The motherboard and memory would be where most of the value is. Maybe $150-200 total?

[burnt spear]

Ah alright

Ty

[brazen wedge]

my mobo is a b360m h and some of the mobo usb ports are not working with my headset but when i plug a different device to the same usb port suddenly it works just fine, what could be the problem?

[fiery shadow]

@grizzled bloom Just to bug you one more time. I’m running 2 8gb sticks of ddr4 @2666v
Ive just started using the Voicemeeter Banana software and now when I play games high demand or not the game and my audio will freeze somtimes for just a second or two. Sometimes. For up to 10 seconds and then my game and audio go back to normal And every now and then it’ll crash my game, could that be due to not enough ram? I have an rtx 2080 8gb. I don’t know if that might not be enough to handle it or what my issue may be

[grizzled bloom]

That could be insufficient memory. I'm not sure how much that program uses, but many of my games have me at or above the 16GB usage mark with all my background stuff.

[fiery shadow]

Ok. I’ll start with more ram then

Would two sticks of 16 or four sticks of 8be better? I could just add to what I have. Or replace it completely.

[cursive epoch]

Two sticks is better for stability

[grizzled bloom]

Agreed, 2 sticks will be better. The 9700 doesn't have a great DDR4 controller so it'll struggle with 4 sticks even at 2666.

I see some overclockers topping out at 3000 even with 2 sticks on good Z370/Z390 boards.

Which your prebuilt most certainly does not have

[fiery shadow]

Ok thank yall

[mild jackal]

9th Gen struggle with 4x8 at 2666? How?

You can do 4kc14 daily on a giga z390 t top board. Even the elite.

Pre built idk

But it's not an imc limit

[grizzled bloom]

Mixing dies

[mild jackal]

If the sticks can't do it, sure

[grizzled bloom]

The original ones are super old/low bin so it's likely they would struggle

[limber dragon]

more of because ttop boards, not to do with the imc

[limber dragon]

matx version of the UD https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620778212544348167/634592999191347229/unknown.png?ex=6667c3c9&is=66667249&hm=6f89285c8cfe5ea29987dab5bfd5d10f36bfc3c4065b27974f1743c2c5675e4c&

(sorry for ping)

[mild jackal]

For sure, but shouldn't be an issue for the 9700

But yeah, asus/giga were t-top, msi was daily, mostly

[dull flint]

Ah yes

They read the memory daily indeed, very slow

(He meant to say daisy lol)

[scenic solar]

Is there an easy way to find the exact model of these older cpus without having to go look online using those complex part numbers? I'm writing to a spreadsheet all of my collection cpus and having to manually research and type in the right details takes a lot for 50 cpus

[grizzled bloom]

Nope. They couldn't make it easy on us. The best they could do was an easy 5 digit code for Intel (SL9QR as pictured) and a QR code for AMD. Who puts the model name on their products anyway?

[hollow thorn]

Try this, they usually have the part number so you can double check after a quick search
https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/

[mild jackal]

Google it and they're often listed on CPU world

Works well for those old and gens

[scenic solar]

That's what I was doing for most of the older ones but ik... 50 cpus :P

[mild jackal]

I would just sort them by sku, take pics, then Google lens/ocr. Shouldn't take more than a minute per sku

The one above is a 3800+ venice

[cursive epoch]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-9600x-engineering-sample-gets-overclocked-to-5-7-ghz-across-all-cores

woah

5.7 ghz

tbh it's just 300mhz oc lol

5.4 stock

[grizzled bloom]

ES so it doesn't count

They can modify whatever parameters they need to in order to hit that on samples

[cursive epoch]

fair nuff

5.4 stock is hard to believe anyway

intel

[scenic solar]

I noticed that most pentium and core 2 duo cpus have the 5 letter code often starting with SL... ie SL9QR and sometimes a 3 digit number, ie 935. What do those mean? If I google either i get redirected to the same cpu specification sheet

Ok, so the 3 digits is the cpu number... is the other one some sort of "codename"

[grizzled bloom]

There can be multiple versions of the same CPU. The SLxxx number is the exact model.

[shell swallow]

One question guys. I know the i9 7980xe is one of the least power efficient CPUs out there. How much power would it be using at 2.6Gz base clock?

It can hit over 600 watts but those are at clock speeds of well over 3Gz

[hollow thorn]

Are you going to manually set it to 2.6ghz? If you just want to limit power you can always manually set power limit and/or undervolt, but the power consumption without touching anything at all should only be around 200w for just the CPU itself with normal boosting behavior.

[shell swallow]

In the settings of the PC it says it is clocked at 2.6GHz

How would I set the power limit?

Also is there some type of benchmarking software that lets me see the power usage of the CPU?

[hollow thorn]

Hwinfo64 will tell you power usage of the CPU

Where exactly the setting is in bios can vary

[shell swallow]

You know the channel testing games? His videos show the power consumption

I wonder how he does that

[dull flint]

Pretty sure if you want semi good clocks out of that chip then yeah you're doing 600+W lol

[hollow thorn]

My guess is they're measuring total power lol

[shell swallow]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9eoLJQd0QBw&pp=ygUXVGVzdGluZyBnYW1lcyBpOSAxNDkwMGs%3D

[hollow thorn]

600w just for the CPU sounds too high

[dull flint]

It loses to basically everything in efficiency

[hollow thorn]

Prob hwinfo64 or afterburner with osd

[dull flint]

Ah yeah he uses RTSS I think

Something like that

[shell swallow]

I don’t plan to overclock it from the 2.6 Gz base clock

[hollow thorn]

Default behavior includes boosting

[shell swallow]

I have heard of that CPU hitting close to 800 watts when at over 4 GHz

[dull flint]

It does

No it's really that inefficient

[shell swallow]

I hope it doesn’t run over 200 watts at 2.6Ghz

[dull flint]

Is there a reason you need it to be under 200W?

[hollow thorn]

Normal tdp is 165w

[shell swallow]

I don’t want to waste too much power

[hollow thorn]

Default settings at full load looks to be 200w as tested by anandtech

[dull flint]

You've come to the wrong platform

[shell swallow]

Given how this is one of the most inefficient CPUs out there. I really would not have bought it if the original owner didn’t offer a 500 dollar deal for the PC it was in

[shell swallow]

Why? Does no one care about efficiency here

[dull flint]

Ofc it's good to have

But X299 is the worst for efficiency

And let's be real here

Even 24/7

At 600W

You're still using less power than a fridge

[shell swallow]

True

[dull flint]

The actual impact on your bill will be minor, we often discuss this at length between a lot of current gen

It takes years to make up the efficiency differences over what you pay

[shell swallow]

I’d have to overclock it to 3.5Gz or more I think

[dull flint]

I wouldn't put too much thought into it

[shell swallow]

True

[hollow thorn]

But in the end the CPU only draws what it needs to draw, you're not going to draw 200w while idling

[shell swallow]

The good thing is a I won’t be using the PC with it as my main build

Will just use it as a workstation for side projects

[dull flint]

Then it's fine imo

[shell swallow]

So it should be off most of the time

[dull flint]

Selectively working with it will make no meaningful difference to the power bill

As far as draw goes

[shell swallow]

True

It still blows my mind how intel created a CPU that can potentially burn as much power as a 4090

I feel like x299 CPUs aren’t very meaningful to buy anymore

Given the existence of threadripper and 7950x

[dull flint]

X299 is basically completely outmoded now

Very small niche cases

Most of which you can bypass anyway with a used TR or EPYC

@shell swallow idle is like 80W btw

[shell swallow]

Ok

[dull flint]

I confirmed it with someone who owns one

Maybe 100W if you push it with OC up to 4GHz

[shell swallow]

Isn’t that almost as much as what a 3700x burns at a full load?

[hollow thorn]

side note, found 7980xe drawing 750w measured at the wall at 4.9ghz with 1.325 vcore

should be around 600w for just CPU

[shell swallow]

Crazy how much it does up when overclocked

[hollow thorn]

<500w at 4.5ghz

only ~210w at stock still

[shell swallow]

How much does a 3700x burn full load? At stock frequency

[hollow thorn]

3700x under full load is prob ~150w

wait thats full system

prob around the 95w stock tdp

yea 90w stock 111w with pbo

[shell swallow]

Crazy how a 7980xe when idling at much lower frequency burns nearly as much power

[hollow thorn]

I'm talking about full load for all of these numbers btw

[shell swallow]

7980xe is like the concorde plane. Fast but burns so much fuel and doesn’t actually carry that many people on board

Any crazy expensive ticket prices

If anyone is into aviation

[hollow thorn]

it should only idle at around 15w

took a while finding a review that actually did idle measurements lol

everyone usually just measure under load

[shell swallow]

Link to idle measurements?

[hollow thorn]

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8348/intel-core-i9-7980xe-7960x-cpu-review/index.html#Overclocking-and-Power-Consumption

[shell swallow]

Ok thanks

[hollow thorn]

but that's measuring just CPU, some reviewers do CPU only, some measurements are whole system

[shell swallow]

Makes sense

[hollow thorn]

and also note reviewers have basically nothing installed, you're probably going to idle higher with random applications in the background

[shell swallow]

So are the 700+ watt usage claims for the CPU at almost 5 GHz legit?

[hollow thorn]

750w measured at the wall while ocing to 5ghz with a high vcore set yea

[dull flint]

It's 14nm so yeah

It'll use a lot lol

[hollow thorn]

it goes like
Wall -> PSU -> Motherboard & CPU
There's a bit of power loss at every step, like PSUs are generally ~92-98% efficient and you lose something like 0.1% at the motherboard VRMs

and measuring at the wall include sother power draw like GPU and case fans

[shell swallow]

If I were to sell the i9 7980xe, mobo, and the 128 GB RAM. What should I sell it at and what should I get?

Hypothetical new parts should target workstation and rendering not gaming

[burnt spear]

Cpu alone is around 300 atm

[shell swallow]

Closer to 200

But ok

[burnt spear]

Ebay sold listings said otherwise earlier

But ok

[shell swallow]

Yes eBay sold listings are one thing but I prob won’t sell on there

Because of the scammers

What if they claim it’s broken and it becomes a hassle

[burnt spear]

That's...

Ok

[shell swallow]

I’ll just use Facebook prices

Lol

[burnt spear]

Not gonna touch that one

[shell swallow]

So if I were to sell just some of the RAM, what slots can I take out first?

It’s an 8 RAM slot motherboard

[scenic solar]

can someone help me figure out the right release date, tdp and socket. I'd like a detailed explaination about the socket since I haven't understood a single thing about socket "939/940" & AM2 up to AM3+... on the left of the theoretically supported sockets is the amount of pins on the cpu

[limber dragon]

Its more like 5-10% lost at the vrm, and 2-3% through the pcb itself

[hollow thorn]

Not too sure about power loss at the vrms, but it's probably less through the pcb

It does seems to be around 10% through the vrms

Dunno where I could find figures on pcb power loss

[limber dragon]

you get to pull out a DMM and check the resistance of the pcb 🙂

[burnt spear]

@dull flint question

I bought a b450 and just realized they didn't give me the standoffs

What do

Wait nevermind he did give me them

I'm just stupid

[crude path]

If you didnt have them, If you bought it from a retailer, return it and get a replacement. If it was from a private seller, you can buy standoffs on amazon or somethin. I have a few on hand somewhere around here for such situations

[grizzled bloom]

Standoffs usually come with the case don't they

[crude path]

oh yeah you're right

it's been a while since i've bought any components lol

[limber dragon]

there's case standoffs and m.2 standoffs

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-mexican-standoff-finger-guns-michael-scott-dwight-schrute-gif-15805326

[burnt spear]

Wait they do?

Could've sworn they came with my msi z690 but ig I'm tripping

[limber dragon]

mobo standoffs come with the case, m.2 standoffs come with the mobo

[burnt spear]

I did find screws in the box he gave me, and they're definitely not m.2 screws

So not sure what they're to lmao

Guess I'll find out

Finalized the list tdy with ordering the case tho
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xbPQJy

[grizzled bloom]

@lyric turret Updated and tested shutting down. No problems on my end. That would indicate it's hardware related.
I'd recommend shutting off at the power supply and doing a power drain. With the power supply off, hold the power button for 30 seconds, release it for 30 seconds, then press for 30 seconds again. Or just leave it off overnight.

[obtuse forge]

Installed another 32gb of ram pc wouldn’t start with the cpu light on

[dull flint]

Ah yes

Can you turn the pc off, pop all 4 sticks out and send a picture of the back of the ram sticks for us please

I'm looking for the version number on them

States "Ver. #.##" and all 4 could be different

[obtuse forge]

Ok

One sec

There

One is very 8.35 and the other kit is 3.46

[dull flint]

Ok we found the problem immediately

Classic corsair

[burnt spear]

Well

Not necessarily

[obtuse forge]

Oh gosh

[dull flint]

I'm like 95% sure

Lol

[burnt spear]

Clear cmos and try the new two sticks

Then if it works can try all four

Then enable xmp

[dull flint]

Yes try the two new sticks alone

If they work then this is a case of mixed ram

[burnt spear]

If any issues, either corsair being corsair or cpu/mobo can't handle 4 sticks, or 4 sticks at that speed

[dull flint]

And corsair will mix chips even in the same product code

[burnt spear]

Well

[dull flint]

So both can be 3200cl16, but completely different internals

[burnt spear]

Could be that xmp was enabled with first two, and now with four it won't boot

[dull flint]

Possible

But most of the time it's just classical vengeance ddr4

[burnt spear]

Probably yeah, but def can't hurt to try

[obtuse forge]

Yeah it started with the new 2 stick

[dull flint]

Corsair is infamous for this @obtuse forge

[obtuse forge]

What now

[burnt spear]

Alright, try disabling XMP (if you cleared cmos already xmp is disabled) and try all four sticks

What cpu is this with btw?

And motherboard

[obtuse forge]

5600x

B550

[burnt spear]

Any 5600x and b550 should handle 4x8 at 3200mhz easily unless faulty, so can likely rule those out

[obtuse forge]

I mean I’m running 4x16

64gb

[dull flint]

Yeah 64gb really enforces this to be unstable mixing

64gb is hard enough to run with a 4x16 kit to begin with on am4

[obtuse forge]

I see other people do it

[dull flint]

Yes, if we didn't have two different manufacturers here it would likely work

So what do I mean by this

Remember the version number?

[obtuse forge]

Yeah

[dull flint]

That is a code that determines the chip manufacturer and chip revision

Iirc 3.43 is I believe micron

And 8.xx is I think nanya

Off the top of my head

Two completely different manufacturers that supplied the ram in front of you

With entirely different behaviours to operate

[burnt spear]

Corsair just makes the heatsink on the outside

[dull flint]

Corsair slaps the chips onto sticks and sells them to you yeah

And their operating differences causes a headache for motherboards as they need to work to two different conditions, not just one

If this makes sense

[burnt spear]

But say you found a g.skill kit that happened to be micron, it would work with that micron corsair kit

[obtuse forge]

So it won’t work your saying

[dull flint]

In one way this is a blessing, because sometimes mixing works relatively well but it leads to huge problems

Ye

Basically

[burnt spear]

Do you use your pc for more than gaming?

[obtuse forge]

Yeah