cpus-mobo-and-memory

[pulsar vapor]

Going to be barely noticeable

[grizzled bloom]

As long as it's not near a heat source it's fine

[pulsar vapor]

Ill see if it heats

[grizzled bloom]

Max temp rating for cat6e is 60C, ideally you won't get it near that

[pulsar vapor]

BTW thank you guys a lot

Anons rule as usual

[grizzled bloom]

We're glad to help save people from misinformation. And there is a lot of it.

[pulsar vapor]

Before this chat I was going to spend 2 times more on mobo. Idk why

[grizzled bloom]

Because that's what you've been subconciously trained to do

"Bigger number better"

[pulsar vapor]

True

AMD taught me its not always the case w it's 7800

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it is a weird one this year with the 800 model beating out the 950 with double the cores and higher clocks

[pulsar vapor]

7 days ago I was on my way to pay around 700 for 1700 mobo

But guys were too slow to give me the price tag, so I learned

Now they can't 😈

[grizzled bloom]

Lucky you, now you get to spend that money where it matters

[pulsar vapor]

Also, I missed what shouldn't i buy from gigabyte?

[grizzled bloom]

Power supply

That was this

https://tenor.com/view/gigabyte-psu-explodes-gamers-nexus-power-supply-gif-23202345

F tier, catches fire when it reaches full load

[pulsar vapor]

Aaa

Omg lol what a fun situation

Good if in controlled environment

[grizzled bloom]

The best part is they were forcing people to buy the power supply along their 3080 and 3090 GPUs during the shortage, which are of course the 2 most likely GPUs to kill it.

[pulsar vapor]

😂☠️

[pulsar vapor]

1 review says no argb plug on mobo. Is there a way to control fan colors?

[grizzled bloom]

What case

A lot will have a controller built in

[grizzled bloom]

You can always swap to this if your case doesn't come with a controller https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/xZfxFT/asrock-a620m-pro-rs-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-a620m-pro-rs

[pulsar vapor]

Phanteks nv5

[grizzled bloom]

That comes with a controller for sure

[pulsar vapor]

Awesome, also 300 people added 7800 to cart on newegg

Such a convenient app, cart shows subtotal after tax. Nice. I need to touch grass. Gn Fal'Cie

🙂

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/touch-grass-grass-osu-go-touch-grass-tiktok-grass-gif-25972009

lol gn

[long geyser]

Also adding to this, CAN prices stayed like 25% lower then US during the recent GPU shortage when US had "deal" with "tariffs"

CAN has a pretty terrible used market, but pretty okay new market

[sudden creek]

So I am doing some more reserch and I read some mentions on Process Lasso. Will that allow me to tell the 7950x3D to use either use CCD 1 or 2 depending on the software that's being run?

[long geyser]

PL is just a nicer way of setting CPU thread affinity automatically. Can already manually do that with Task Manager and automatically with scripts, but it's far more tedious apart from specific scenarios (ex: if one only needs to set CPU thread affinity for a process that runs on startup then a simple script is probably preferred over another program that wont automatically stop running).

[sudden creek]

So short and skinny answer is that there is already a way to tell apps to use which cores via taskmanager and or scripts but PL makes it a lot easier to do? Do I understand correctly?

What exactly is CPU thread affinity?

[long geyser]

Yes.
CPU thread affinity, usually called core affinity (I kinda dislike it cuz precision wise you can pin stuff to threads), basically just means setting a process to use a specific CPU thread

[dull flint]

game bar does a good enough job

owns and is typing from said cpu

[long geyser]

GB has thread affinity now?

[dull flint]

amd's 7950x3d scheduling is built into game bar

[sudden creek]

Oh okay. Does it know what cores and such to use for things like Blender, and Adobe apps like AE and Premier?

those are my only real concerns.

[dull flint]

single thread perf

you'd want a 7950x

or 13th/14th gen and quicksync

quicksync is a bit of a winner here

[sudden creek]

I haven't tried quicksync yet, what does it do exactly? Couldn't find any solid answers.

[long geyser]

Quicksync (QSV), is intels video encoder/decoder. Like Nvidia Nvenc or AMD AMF

Adobe has good QSV integration

[sudden creek]

What has your experience been like? I've been hearing mixed answers.

[dull flint]

hmmmm

Well ECC is really nice

[sudden creek]

I see.

Sorry, what is ECC?

[dull flint]

I don't think I've corrupted windows even once because of it

ECC error correction

think of it like cache on an ssd

catches an error and fixes it

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay.

[dull flint]

not perfect but the large cache definitely helps

[sudden creek]

AMD is tempting for the 3 year long support, but would going 14th be a smarter choice? Gaming wise both cpus are more then plenty for me, doing the upgrade more for work purposes.

[dull flint]

14th just isn't worth it at all unless you go i7

[sudden creek]

13th/14th are about $10-15 difference where I am.

[dull flint]

if you were to ask me, for the things you intend to do, cpu choice won't matter much

like there are wins and losses but you are talking blind results, things you wouldn't pick up on

[sudden creek]

Why is that? Adobe is my heavier workload atm.

[dull flint]

because GPU is a much bigger factor

you can run adobe on toaster cpu's

it's not so much a requirement to be good, just improvement

meanwhile ram capacities, gpu encode strength

that stuff matters

[sudden creek]

I see. So CPU wise just go with whichever's cheaper come Blackfriday (when I plan to buy) and look into upgrading my gpu?

[dull flint]

You've been considering this stuff for a while now, I'd suggest used threadripper or epyc at this point just for the excessive leverage

[long geyser]

GPU encode strength matters as much as CPU tbf. But that shouldnt be lumped in with GPU VRAM capacities causing issues.

[dull flint]

yeah ofc

but like, in this context

13900k vs 7950x

the difference is marginal

[sudden creek]

Wish it was a solid option where I am..... used market is horrible.

[dull flint]

just using an extreme example to illustrate the necessity over combing the details is less needed lol

[long geyser]

Also for Blender, you rendering or modeling?

[sudden creek]

True.

[sudden creek]

Both.

[long geyser]

Aight, Nvidia is pretty damn high preference then

[dull flint]

You're too close to the USA for that not to be an option tbh

[sudden creek]

Agreed but unfortunately it's how it is.

[dull flint]

considering you're looking at the higher end on consumer, used lower end hedt would do better

[sudden creek]

What's hedt again?

[dull flint]

like a 3970X or 3975WX TR would straight out win against a 7950x or 13900k iirc in multicore render

high end desktop

you'd also get the pcie lane upgradeability

[sudden creek]

Oh, okay.

[dull flint]

and massive ram capacity

[sudden creek]

Yeah those are rediculously expensive where I am for some dumb reason.

[dull flint]

that's just two examples

[sudden creek]

I get what you mean though.

[dull flint]

you look for old epyc, good ones can sell by the truckload at decent prices

ebay articles hogging them off at write off prices tray by tray

the big thing is you get the pcie lane improvement, so you can use multi-gpu for encode or multitask

or huge storage, or massive ram

things that add up in this department

[long geyser]

I mean it depends on how much work is done in Adobe vs Blender

[sudden creek]

Will keep an eye out.

If I don't go with something like TR I think AM5 is tempting, I lose out on quicksync for Adobe but having that longer term support is nice. Is the difference between 7950x3d and 7950x in Blender/Adobe AE & Premier noticable?

Currently it's more Adobe then blender but all goes as planned it'll switch in the future.

[long geyser]

Adobe is pretty tame for GPU stuff no? Even RAM wise most projects wont exceed what can be done on consumer D5 no?

[dull flint]

I would say no, but I would also say 7950x3d is kinda meh

[sudden creek]

.... 32gb doesn't cut it for me anymore.

[dull flint]

Can't say myself personally

[sudden creek]

Looking into 64gb since I don't quite need beyond that yet.

[long geyser]

Well 32gb is generally the recommended bare minimum for D5 cuz bank groups

[dull flint]

32 can still be plenty, it just depends on the degree of work

but like, if you are considering 64 or beyond then you are bordering on hedt being just plain better

like w790

TRX40

etc etc

[sudden creek]

Understood.

I am currently hovering between 32-64 for needs.

[dull flint]

if you're just, playing around with basic 1080p, 4k projects, even with blender I would stick to a modern i5 imo

and at most a 4080

used 3090

[long geyser]

Depends on budget, 128gb isnt absurdly terrible for D5 systems to achieve afaik

You in CAN, Apex?

[sudden creek]

Mexico.

My only reliable option for shopping is amazon.com.mx.

[dull flint]

if you like sub 4800 ye

lol

192gb and 96gb is easier to work with

D5 platforms LOVE H24M

but 16 gbit is a struggle

[long geyser]

Not super familiar with D5 stuff, but point being that 96gb/192gb then isnt super hard to achieve for D5 systems

[dull flint]

I want to try 96gb in my intel rig

just to make funny M15A 96gb 8000 number

[sudden creek]

96GB I think would be the sweet spot to last me a good bit if price is right.

lemme take a look.

[dull flint]

by the sounds of it 64 probably would be fine too

because 24gbit sticks aren't cheap yet like 16gbit is

[sudden creek]

yeah.....

more than 2x the price.

[dull flint]

at this point I would pick a lane and commit 😂

you won't notice these differences blind

in standard hobbyist situations

[sudden creek]

Yeah I think I will just go with AM5, longer support and it's cheaper.

[long geyser]

Look at what kind of operations you'll be doing in the Adobe programs and if they utilize QSV. QSV would make Intel an easy winner for Adobe tasks.

[sudden creek]

Oh really?

How big of a difference?

[long geyser]

Generally by more then 3.14159265359% (aka, actually noticable difference)

[sudden creek]

so 3%?

[long geyser]

More, I was making a joke that it usually isnt an aburdly small difference

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay.

[long geyser]

Not always

Also not all tasks use QSV. So thus worth looking into what does and by how much

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

Will take a look into that, and then I think price will be the deciding factor come Blackfriday.

Hoping to get this done within $1000 all goes well.

[grizzled bloom]

NVenc is only slightly better than QuickSync in Premiere Pro for encode/decode

[sudden creek]

NVenc is Nvidia's gpu's encoder/decoder right?

[long geyser]

Does Adobe actually have good usage of Nvenc for all their random operations tho? That's usually why QSV has been recommended for so long, cuz it's the most integrated.

Im going by potentially outdated info cuz I dont really look into Adobe, so dont get updated on their stuff

[sudden creek]

I gotta hop off now, thank you all for your help!

[grizzled bloom]

The only info available seems to be a few years old from what I can tell too, but you can still see it does depend on what codec you're using still.

It seems if you're doing a lot of GPU heavy effects that's the time that quicksync shines, probably because of what you said where more effects are supported.

[long geyser]

Then there is also stuff like AE, idk what non-QSV support is like.
@sudden creek Also become a Davinci Resolve shill. Join the movement to abolish Adobe software ||/s||

[midnight pollen]

tis impossible

You don't know the struggle

[long geyser]

Technically I do cuz I moved from Adobe to Black Magic but I dont need integration from different programs and barely do video editing

[midnight pollen]

see that doesn't count. how else am I gonna edit my videos with linked illustrator vector arts and audio edits

[long geyser]

Just do everything inside DR

[sudden creek]

I tried.... Didn't work out that well good starting place though.

[sudden creek]

Is the 13900KS binned better then the 14900K? Just curious cause I say a 13900KS for less then a 14900K (also less then 13900K) and same price as 7950x3D.

[grizzled bloom]

The P cores are binned but that's about it. It could still be a trash sample.

[sudden creek]

So the 13900KS is binned better overall?

[grizzled bloom]

Only the P cores are binned

[sudden creek]

Oh really?

Thought the KS was binned better overall.

Gotcha.

[grizzled bloom]

The E cores on the KS are the same spec as the K and KF, so they're not binned either, and I've seen some KS chips with awful memory controllers that can barely do 6800.

[sudden creek]

glad I asked then.

[dull flint]

Imc is pot luck

Not sure on the e core comment though

Mine do 4.7 which is better than normal

[split copper]

pot luck?

I'm in

[dull flint]

But it might be me

[dull flint]

Fried maniacs tonight

[split copper]

[dull flint]

[sudden creek]

👀

[limber dragon]

I mean, its not a question of what is better, its already been looked at https://www.igorslab.de/en/r-batches-13900kss-and-imc-regressions-intel-core-14th-gen-binning-results-from-almost-600-cpus/

[grizzled bloom]

Oh good I was waiting for a decent article on binning

Igor's ftw

[limber dragon]

skullbringer ftw *

[grizzled bloom]

Now I can stop saying "allegedly" better IMC on 14th gen

[dull flint]

imc is the same

[limber dragon]

"What do we see here now? Exactly, nothing."

[grizzled bloom]

"Beyond 8000 MT/s"
Now we know Intel was just blowing smoke

[dull flint]

the mobos were the real winners in that statement and it's still barely even true

looking at u gigabyte X

👀

[ocean cradle]

Does anyone have any recommendations for Laptop ram? I have a gaming laptop with 16 GB of ram and I'm wanting to upgrade it to 32 GB

If it helps, this is the laptop I'm wanting to upgrade

[burnt spear]

Is it 1x16 or 2x8

[ocean cradle]

Uhhhh

[burnt spear]

And what speed (can check in task manager)

[ocean cradle]

2x8GB, at 3200MHz

I've heard something about the laptop not being able to go over 32GB of Ram

[burnt spear]

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-PC4-25600-Unbuffered-Notebook-Computer/dp/B08T17RQ87/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=CX6VJ81MY5P7&keywords=2x16+laptop+ram&qid=1700086764&sprefix=2x16+laptop%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-3

[ocean cradle]

Will this be good for gaming?

[burnt spear]

Yes

[copper solar]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-goto-depressed-bocchi-the-rock-gif-27672004

[amber canopy]

whats wrong with it

[dull flint]

mid

[scenic solar]

Local deals are amazing
i5 7400 for 10 euros

[scenic solar]

Also got so much more but the best deals I got were

• the i5
• aoc fhd 60hz for 25€
• good PSU for 8€
• Microsoft surface 6 pro for 180

[summer marsh]

does any1 know why i cant have 1gb network speed? i have a cat6 cable

it says speed: 100.0 Mbps

[scenic solar]

Maybe your router/device can't do more than that

[midnight pollen]

could be an issue with link negotiation, or either the computer, switch, router only supports "fast" ethernet aka 100mbps

[grizzled bloom]

Many cheap routers will claim "1Gb" but then they only have that on the WAN port

[scenic solar]

Like one of my routers claims 2.5gig, and then it's written that 2.5 refers to the sum of the max for each ethernet port, so each port is 0.5gbps. that just doesn't make sense in any way lol

[scenic solar]

Are there any significant improvements in changing the i5 6500 to a 7400 in my optiplex 3050 sff?

[long geyser]

New QSV version that supports Widevine DRM in all the random streaming services like Netflix (needed for 4k resolution on Netflix).
Otherwise, not really afaik.

[scenic solar]

Don't need that as it's just the home server running the nas and MC server. Intel website also says the 7th gen "supports" up to 2400mts ram, mine currently runs 2133 with the 6th gen but I guess it's a motherboard compatibility issue, since the old 8gig stick ran at 2400 or 2667 don't remember exactly

So it's probably unnecessary to change the CPU...?

[sudden creek]

Most likely.

[grizzled bloom]

Isn't 7th Gen also when they started adding the minimum tpm version needed for Windows 11? If you don't care about that I don't blame you but 10 has 2 more years of life.

[dull flint]

Yes but not all

Why do I know this?
My 7th gen laptop was one of a handful not to be win11 compatible

7th gen they add vpro tech which is the underlying requisite (aside from tpm and secure boot)

[scenic solar]

Nah, Windows 10 all the way
Also the server is configured so that it works flawlessly with 10, not sure about 11

[tawdry moat]

So I am in my bios guys

To enable xmp do I just click on it

[sudden creek]

When you click on XMP it should give a option for a profile example 6000-14-15-9-34

[tawdry moat]

Well I can't upload to show you guys

I need a permission I think

Cause I woul show you

[cerulean wadi]

Yes at least try click the big button make sure it's highlighted white or something, then save and exit. Can easily check later if it's enabled

[vocal nacelle]

i5 12450H or AMD ryzen 5 7535HS ?

[grizzled bloom]

Ryzen all day on laptops

Way better battery life

Plus the iGPU is far better

[cursive epoch]

what's your budget for a lappy, choosing from cpu alone is bad

but ryzen is way better in efficiency

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-tuf-gaming-a16-16-165hz-gaming-laptop-fhd-amd-ryzen-7-7735hs-with-16gb-ddr5-memory-radeon-rx7600s-512gb-pcie-ssd-off-black/6535499.p

here's a good deal for example

assuming your budget is below 1000

or even below 800

[scenic solar]

(CMK32GX5M2B5600C40)
(CMK32GX5M2B5600Z40)
What's the difference between these ram sticks? Other than the last letter on the model

[cursive epoch]

different dies

[scenic solar]

Based on the last letter? C and Z

[cursive epoch]

ye

[scenic solar]

And is there one that may be better?

[cursive epoch]

knowing corsair

nope

[dull flint]

Pmic unlock

Iirc

If you don't overclock it means nothing to you

I believe the Z is better?

Should be same group of chips

5600 c40 could be really anything

Would suggest something C32 instead, costs little to nothing extra normally if you find one

But is significantly better as ram

[cursive epoch]

hmm

[scenic solar]

I'm looking for 32gig either 5600 or 6000 as they're cheapest during the sales, couldn't find <C36

[dull flint]

That's painful

Uh

Can you see what 5600 C46 kits they have

Or at worst, 6000 C48

If you get lucky and roll hynix, you could pick almost any xmp up to 7200 for intel/6400 for amd and it should run without issue

Should

No promises

5600 C46 from teamgroup tends to be really good hynix

On the other hand 5600 c46 micron/crucial, avoid

Lol

[scenic solar]

No way I just found the difference
It's ... Not really "hardware" related
It's the colour of the ram sticks, one is gray an the other is black, can barely tell the difference from the pics

[scenic solar]

now I'm looking for a am5 mobo, recommendations on cheaper ones that usually go for €150? no particular requirements, other than wifi + bt

is the asus a620m plus wifi a good choice for €160?

[vast meadow]

Honestly yeah in italy the tuf a620 wifi looks like the best choice for wanting wifi

[scenic solar]

Okk thanks

[spice sluice]

https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-32gb/p/N82E16820226992?Item=N82E16820226992&SoldByNewegg=1

would this be a good ram for 5600X/B550 combo?

Mushkin Enhanced Redline Stiletto 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model MRF4U360GKKP16GX2

[amber canopy]

mushkin

[grizzled bloom]

3600 c16 is right at that sweet spot for price/performance. Mushkin isn't the most reputable brand but it could be worse. Like Corsair.

[spice sluice]

what is a reputable brand these days?

i have a 16 gig ballistix kit but i can't match it as it's not available anymore

[grizzled bloom]

G.skill is always good. They really stand by that lifetime warranty, I've seen people successfully RMA DDR3 recently with no questions asked. It died when overclocking.

[cursive epoch]

damn

the true lifetime warranty

[spice sluice]

yeah, that sounds pretty damn good

[patent shard]

is it better to install m2 on the top or on the bottom??

[dull flint]

top unless sata, then bottom

usually

usually

[patent shard]

ur not supposed to peel off the sticker right? i left it on

[dull flint]

no don't peel

nonononono

[patent shard]

i didn’t peel

i peeled it a lil and then was like “wait, i don’t think this is correct” so i asked here

LOL

[patent shard]

do u see the top left “peel” it’s fine right?

i put it back down

[dull flint]

2 things

peeling, voids warranty

a

and b

it's made as a heat spreader

it helps the ssd

it's a graphene sticker

a super thin heatsink so to speak

leave it on

[patent shard]

how about the stickers on the ram

[dull flint]

stop peeling stickers

💀 💀

Do you want warranties or not

[patent shard]

ok ok got it

[naive pendant]

Any tips/advice for the best RAM for my PC; 12600k + 4070 combo. Looking to spend from $50-$80, I don't mind if it's a little below $100.

I'm looking for a 32g kit.

[naive pendant]

Definitely peel those stickers. So you can stick them to yourself.

Get a warranty on yourself.

[dull flint]

teamgroup vulcan 5600 c32 2x16gb

it's I think 79.99 on newegg/amazon

[burnt spear]

Do you have a mobo already?

[patent shard]

am i stupid… i can’t find the correct cable for my PSU to the top left of my mobo

[dull flint]

it has 8 pins

splits into 4

4 and 4

HUGE clip

that side goes into the top left of the mobo

other side into the psu

[patent shard]

is it this cuz the shapes don’t match

[dull flint]

yes

if it says cpu

that's the one

the cpu side goes into the motherboard

the psu side into the psu

[dull flint]

those look like the ones

that's a cpu plug

[patent shard]

yep, so these two go on the top left of the mobo

[dull flint]

mhm

4+4 into the top left

8 into psu

[patent shard]

this seems like the GPU cable for 4080?

for the SATA cables, do i need to plug all of them in or only plug it in if i use them

[vast meadow]

Only if you need to use it

[vast meadow]

That's a 12vhpwr cable yeah which is used by the 30 series FE (kinda) and 40 series Nvidia cards

[dim cloak]

how low of am4 CPU could I go before I start bottlenecking a Rx 7800XT

[dull flint]

5600

[dim cloak]

Thx

[dull flint]

I mean, anything's a bottleneck if you're goofy enough

but generally speaking

I'd say 5600-ish

5600X-ish

[dim cloak]

well I've done a 9400f on a 3090 could be worse

And the build would mainly be for portable gaming machine cause I'll be putting it in a revolt 3

[dull flint]

9400f and 3090 you would've been absolutely bottlenecking

if a tuned 12100F struggles to do it there's no way a 9400f would

💀

[dim cloak]

It was bad for vr mainly

Other games I was on 1080p

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PYpPKX this is what I had in mind for the system I was building and I have storage set aside and ready for it

was trying to keep under $1k

[dull flint]

yeah that looks fine

recommend this specific 7800xt

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fcBzK8/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-11330-02-20g

same price

just sapphire is a bit nicer to work with

maybe can fit a 7600

I'll look

I mean this, wouldn't be too bad of an upgrade

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7BPrmD

but yeah it would be over 1K

the other list with the sapphire is good too

[dim cloak]

I'll look into it cause me and my partner might do some traveling and that case is really nice for that and building this could help since it's just a gaming pc

[stiff dew]

I need a CPU upgrade and I know I'm running on a dead platform AM4 but I need just a little more juice. should I go for the 5900X3D or the 5600X3D?
I have a 5800X

[burnt spear]

5800x3d is the only upgrade, but honestly a platform upgrade wouldn't be much more

7600 for $170, b650 hdv for $90, 32gb ddr5 around $65-80 all on tik tok shop. 5800x3d new is $290, sell your mobo and ram and platform upgtafe overall costs less

But if you won't do that, you'd want 5800x3d.

(It also ends up cheaper without tiktok shop btw)

[stiff dew]

I never shop on tiktok and didn't even know they had one

nor have I ever opened a link from tiktok or used the app

[burnt spear]

Anything I would recommend on tiktok would be sold by newegg

But I understand wanting to avoid it

This would be what I'd do
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZgTfmD

$105 more than a 5800x3d, mobo should sell for $40-130 potentially more depending on model, ram 16gb $20-30 32gb 35-50, possibly more depending on the kit

[amber canopy]

someone give me ddr3

[long geyser]

I can give you three DDR1 to get one DDR3

[amber canopy]

[fast scaffold]

ram with AMD expo still capable of XMP profiles? I have an intel cpu.

[cursive epoch]

yes

expo is just amd's name to xmp

[fast scaffold]

Forsure

[patent shard]

good Ram stick / brand?

[grizzled bloom]

Sort of but not quite. Expo does have different timings intended for use on Ryzen 7000. Most sticks have both types of profile these days anyway.

[grizzled bloom]

Is there a reason you need 64GB? Because having that much does hurt performance unless you're actually using all of it.

[patent shard]

hmm ok, i’ll just go with 32 then

[grizzled bloom]

48GB (2x24gb) would be the most you can get without sacrificing performance

And if you get those 24gb sticks you're guaranteed to get good overclocking too

[patent shard]

i’ll do 32 gb

ty

[cyan raft]

Fun fact: some intel mobos will switch the term XMP to EXPO in their bios if you’re using expo ram

[fast scaffold]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C4NM8NMC?ref_=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_7BE05EXM1RRKECG2FZJR&th=1

how we feel about his ram?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ my other stuff or refrence

[cursive epoch]

yes good

[oak matrix]

Can the 5600x with a stock cooler handle 1440 alright? Looking to upgrade GPU in order to go 1440, want to make sure I’m not bottlenecking on the cpu end

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, when increasing resolution the load shifts a lot more towards the GPU so if it's good enough at 1080p then the CPU is good enough at 1440p

[magic oxide]

I9-13900K/F vs I9-14900K vs I9-13900KS
Finally getting around to buying parts and saw a 14th gen

It'll be paired with a 4090 and 64gb ddr5

Just wondering if the 14900K is worth

[burnt spear]

If you're gaming, any of the three aren't.

7800x3d beat all of them, 13600k comes within 3% of the 13900k and 5-7% of the 13900ks and 14900ks

Unless you're heavily tuning or doing tasks that require multicore, don't get an i9.

Also 14900k is the exact same thing as 13900k with a light oc.

[magic oxide]

Heavy rendering, running server, 3d modeling, editing, work, data processing and gaming ofc. Everything

[magic oxide]

Oh lmao

[cursive epoch]

13900k would be your answer then

[dull flint]

they're all the same, get a 13600k instead, cheaper and can drag race all 3 if you know how to use it well

[dull flint]

ah saw this straight after

If power means something to you, 7950X

genuine long term advantage there, also runs on cheaper hardware

e.g
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nswPgB
vs.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9FQ7pB

slightly cheaper overall but you'd be drawing a lot less power to achieve the same multithread performance

[magic oxide]

Would but many of the "creative" type programs I will be using perform better with Intel and their quicksync

[dull flint]

yeah I won't deny it

Intel can be easily favoured in this situation

either way both those lists are totally usable

consider up to 96gb on intel, or 192gb on AMD

for compatibility reasons

[magic oxide]

Gotcha

[magic oxide]

Wait would the 13900K still be preferable over the KS since they are the bin rejects essentially?

[cursive epoch]

ks is k with better bin

but yes

[dull flint]

no

not for the price

[cursive epoch]

just get the k

[dull flint]

oh wait I read it backwards

OOPS

yes get the K

[magic oxide]

Haha ok

[dull flint]

Sorry I read K and KS as KS and K

[magic oxide]

Oh damn 13900k is 550 rn, 30 cheaper than 14th gen

[cursive epoch]

thank god you're not that guy who says 14900k is better choice for top of the line pc

because it's 1% faster

[magic oxide]

1% FASTER ?!?! nah now I gotta get a 14900k yepyep /j

[cyan raft]

Do you have a microcenter by you? 14900k is on sale for $550

If a 13900k and 14900k are same price might it as well get the 14900k imo

https://www.microcenter.com/product/670841/intel-core-i9-14900k-raptor-lake-32ghz-twenty-four-core-lga-1700-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included

Wait nvm, 13900k is $500 at microcenter

[wind field]

Ddr4 2x16 recommendations please

[grizzled bloom]

For which CPU

And what budget

[wind field]

Ryzen 7 5800x and around 80 and under

[grizzled bloom]

Do you want to overclock it or are you just going to use XMP

I'd probably do this, there's a similar kit from mushkin for $72 but g.skill is a better brand generally, much better support.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

It should overclock nicely too if you wanted, but even at XMP it's right in that sweet spot of price/performance for ryzen.

[fast scaffold]

anything wrong with this brand/for a 12700k

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C657LC81/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AWD7GDDT7Q2ZT&th=1

[long geyser]

14900 is 7% higher then 13900, and Intel is five letters so we know there is a 50% increase to the other percentage. So 14900 is 10.8% faster then 13900.

[grizzled bloom]

Should be fine assuming you're on B660 or higher and not H610

[fast scaffold]

dont know much about motherboards. Z690

[grizzled bloom]

Perfect

[fast scaffold]

fosho

[magic oxide]

I completely forgot I had one near me. Imma check all the parts now thanks

[burnt spear]

Could you link the parts lisy?

Also microcenter should have a 13900k bundle iirc, ran mobo and cpu

[magic oxide]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fw99t7

[magic oxide]

That's for the 14900k it looks like

[burnt spear]

And you said you've a reason for the diff size ssds?

[grizzled bloom]

But it's also a really, really good deal compared to that list. You get a 14900K, a Z790, and memory for the same price as the 13900K and motherboard alone in your list. https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006603/intel-i9-14900k,-msi-z790-mag-tomahawk-wifi,-gskill-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

[burnt spear]

If you want rgb https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hRQcCJ/gskill-trident-z5-neo-rgb-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3040g32gx2-tz5nr
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xJV2FT/oloy-blade-rgb-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-nd5u3264320irkde

[grizzled bloom]

Plus you probably don't need 64GB of memory, having that much can hurt your performance instead of helping

[burnt spear]

Can sell the ram and get a 64gb kit

[burnt spear]

They'll use the 64gb

[grizzled bloom]

One of the rare times it would actually be used?

[burnt spear]

Yeah seems they'd use it, but obviously I don't know exactly the workloads or softwares they're using

So possibly not

They do seem like they've done their research though

[grizzled bloom]

If it's a large database server then the memory might be justified but anything else probably not, unless they're doing a combination of those things at the same time

Well there is a 64GB combo anyway https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006604/intel-i9-14900k,-msi-z790-mag-tomahawk-wifi,-gskill-32gb-ddr5-5600-kit,-computer-build-bundle

[magic oxide]

Bundle says sold out 💀

Was probably a limited quantity

[grizzled bloom]

They'll often substitute parts if you go in and ask

Usually it's the memory that sold out and they'll put a comparable kit for the same deal

[magic oxide]

Ight looks like I'm driving to microcenter

Thanks for the info

[burnt spear]

Or possibly mobo, basically I think they just have you pay the difference if the part you're subbing in is more than the one in the bundle originally

Could prolly just do the first one too and switch it for a 64gb kit the same way

Forgot that they do that

[magic oxide]

What do you mean do the first one?

[wind field]

I'm getting 32gb for my computer just for modded minecraft

I'm going to use my old pc as a server for it maybe

[grizzled bloom]

Honestly games in general are now starting to want you to have 32GB at higher settings, even if they don't use it all they will reserve whatever they can. I kept crashing in Control until I got 32GB, even increasing the page file didn't fix it.

[wind field]

My old pc might get 64gb of ddr4 and a ryzen 7 5800x

[grizzled bloom]

A 5800X will struggle a bit with that much memory

You'll probably be limited to 3200

[wind field]

That's fine

Could always get this and run the server off it

[grizzled bloom]

Nah the 5800X is better than OG threadripper

Waaaay better

[wind field]

Yea

[magic oxide]

None of the parts are sold out. If that just say the bundle is not available anymore which parts should I go with. Still the 14900k or 13900k still ok. And mobo

[grizzled bloom]

Even without the bundle you should be able to find the parts cheaper there, or better parts for the same price

[magic oxide]

Gotcha thanks

Yep no subs for that one

I'll prob get same mobo and cheaper better ram there

[magic oxide]

13 series still right?

[grizzled bloom]

If it's cheaper than 14th

[magic oxide]

Yeah still 50 cheaper

[grizzled bloom]

I'd go for non-F processor too based on your requirements, so you can take advantage of quicksync

[magic oxide]

Yeah Im gonna do 19-13900K

[cyan raft]

They most likely won’t unless the manager of the place is in a particularly good mood, the discount is only applied by the system if all 3 specific items are checked out at the same time

It’s worth a shot but not likely

[magic oxide]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=162&c0=1x10000-1x2500,1x10000,1x5000,2x2500,1x2500-1x1000,1x2500&V=10000,9000&h=2,8&Q=1,2&sort=price&page=1&K=2,13&E=3,7&X=0,34711
Just realized the previous board didn't have a USB c 2x2 slot.
Which should I go with?

[grizzled bloom]

Do you really need the full 20Gbps over USB C? Is your case even capable of that on the front port?

[magic oxide]

Case page doesn't specify.
Offloading footage from external ssd would be nice and or connecting a NAS in the future

[grizzled bloom]

How fast is the external SSD

And a NAS would connect over ethernet

[magic oxide]

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/portable-solid-state-drives/portable-ssd-t9-usb-3-2-4tb-black-mu-pg4t0b-am/

"sustained read and write speeds of up to 2,000MB/s"

[grizzled bloom]

Sustained speeds rated at 2000MBps, so realistically you can expect maybe 1700. It'll barely be using above the 10Gbps.

[magic oxide]

Guess I'll just use a dongle for usbc. Even pcvr would probably cap out at 5gbps

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on the headset

But often yes

[sudden creek]

Does the Z790 Tuf board have the ability to flash bios without installing a CPU like others boards?

[runic dagger]

ok i have what... feels like a little bit of a potentially dumb question... which RAM is better to go for, theyre both AMD Expo kits i feel like the obvious answer is the 6400Mhz but the 6000 has better timings... is it enough to consider?

6000Mhz 30-36-36-96
vs
6400Mhz 32-39-39-102
same price

i know some timings are like.. tied to the speed because theyre counts of cycles arent they?

[grizzled bloom]

Tuf plus or pro? DDR4 or DDR5?

[grizzled bloom]

6000 is the safe option that any 7000 series chip should be able to run with minimal effort.
6400 may require some manual tuning of voltages, and may not work at all depending on your luck.

[runic dagger]

so essentially.. 6000 should be plug n play, 6400 may take some work and may just be problematic

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[runic dagger]

and considering im looking to get a 7600x not like.. a 7900x or anything.. i dont know if i should or shouldnt assume this but i imagine its more likely to get it to work with a better CPU

[grizzled bloom]

You'd think that would be the case but it's not

[runic dagger]

oh really!?

oh does it have to do with fewer cores to deal with? or?

[grizzled bloom]

The memory controller is totally random how well the silicon lottery it gets

[runic dagger]

sorry i should stop assuming things when i get an idea lol

oh really

wow

ok.... 6000 it is

someone anon surprise sent me a mobo that i got yesterday so im looking at hopefully building by christmas! 🙂

[grizzled bloom]

Oh that's nice

[sudden creek]

Plus, D5.

[grizzled bloom]

Then no, it does not have the flashback button

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay, glad I asked. I am holding out for Cyber Monday since no deals on the parts I want.

[sudden creek]

'I'm groooot.....'

[runic dagger]

I am Groot!

[magic oxide]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=162&c0=1x10000-1x2500,1x10000,1x5000,2x2500,1x2500-1x1000,1x2500&V=10000,9000&h=2,8&sort=price&K=1,13&E=3,7&X=0,34711&D=137438953472,2199023255552&f=2&s=40&mt=ddr5

Is current board still best option?
(Ram is not set yet)

[sudden creek]

Groot.

https://tenor.com/view/dance-groot-guardians-of-the-galaxy-cute-gif-7201822

[amber canopy]

AM5 gang 💪

[grand elk]

what is considered a "safe" cpu temp

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on the CPU. AMD ones vary from 85C to 95C, Intel up to 105C

[grand elk]

Well after a few weeks of issues with motherboards, and after repurchasing another and then having to send it back I finally have my i7 14700k running.

But its running extremely hot, even hotter than before. It's not throttling like it did before but it got up to 100C

I bought MX-6 thermal paste and used that contact plate

[grizzled bloom]

That's pretty standard since most motherboards will set the power limit to effectively unlimited out of the box and you can expect that CPU in particular to hit 300W under load.

[burnt spear]

Finally, congrats. And yeah, limit the voltage in bios. My z690 did the same to my 13600k

[grand elk]

have several browers open right now but no games at all

[burnt spear]

Fal you remember what voltage to set it to?

I want to say 1.325 but I'm not certain

That's at 53c

100c peak temp

[grand elk]

yes yes

[burnt spear]

Check voltage while it's hitting those Temps

[grand elk]

also by default it has the RAM set at lower speed

[grizzled bloom]

Is that under load?

[grand elk]

no, no games just multiple browers/tabs open

[grizzled bloom]

See what the voltage is when it's under a load

Because you're basically idling at 1.4v which is probably an indicator that it's too high

[grand elk]

do i need to change voltage?

[grizzled bloom]

Find the load voltage first

I can't answer that until that is known

[grand elk]

couple minutes

and ill have another screenshot

cpu 35%, 5.10 GHz

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's way too high on voltage on a moderate load

[grand elk]

Any suggestions?

[grizzled bloom]

A negative offset should help. You might even get more performance out of it because you have not only more thermal headroom but more power headroom.

I'm not very familiar with intel overclocking so I can't help much on specifics, but I can tell you what to look for

[grand elk]

can I make changes in this?

[grizzled bloom]

Not from what I can see in that screenshot

You can use Intel's XTU utility though

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/17881/intel-extreme-tuning-utility-intel-xtu.html

[grizzled bloom]

Core voltage offset

Start with -0.025v

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

Then apply and run a load test

If it's stable then you can lower voltage more

[grand elk]

benchmark ?

[grizzled bloom]

That would work

Personally I'd prefer to be running prime95 so it loads all the cores, and then test a single core load using something like cinebench r23

I'm a bit extra though, I like perfect stability

[grand elk]

its more stable but still high

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, take it a tick down on the voltage and test again

[grand elk]

.30? or .35?

[grizzled bloom]

Whatever the next tick down is

Sorry, my board is a lot more precise so I'm not sure what yours would do

[grizzled bloom]

Score went up too

Rinse and repeat until it crashes, then bump it back up 2 ticks for stability

[grand elk]

it crashes as pc? or as the program

[grizzled bloom]

Probably just the test, it'll throw an error

If you go too low it can blue screen windows

[grizzled bloom]

If you lose more than about 150 points in one go then that's the lowest point you should go

Less than 100 points is margin of error

[mild jackal]

XTU scales to both single and multi-core, if you want to pump the score, clock one core up high for the first part of the test

[grizzled bloom]

We're more about temp control right now

[mild jackal]

No PBO on team blue? shame https://i.imgur.com/v7lgL96.png

[grizzled bloom]

Well you can kinda think of the default setting as having PBO on for Intel, considering the manufacturers pump the power and voltage out of the box

[mild jackal]

Pretty much

[grizzled bloom]

Which is interesting when you think about it, comparing Intel with "enhancements" on vs AMD at stock and AMD still wins a lot of the time

[grizzled bloom]

Looking good so far

[mild jackal]

What cooler/paste/fans?

[grizzled bloom]

MX6 I know for sure

[grand elk]

deepcool lt720

[grizzled bloom]

And a contact frame

[mild jackal]

Fancy

[grand elk]

keep going?

[grand elk]

got to this point

-0.095 crashed the program and my game

[latent canopy]

Wondering, is there a mobo that supports both AM5 and DDR4 memory?

[grand elk]

Still seems high

[scenic solar]

nope

no need for overclocking, just gaming in general

[grand elk]

idling temps now

[magic oxide]

Or is the 10-20 dollar difference worth the change?

[vast meadow]

What's your current board choice? Also what will the pc be used for?

The one marked current board is a private list

[timid stream]

Heya, I have 3200 mhz rams 2x8 but it shows 2133mhz in taskbar, i have checked bio and its set to 3200 what should I do? a friend told me that if you make it to 3200 you are overclocking your pc and let it be as it is rightnow , any help?

[burnt spear]

Did you save and exit bios

And are you certain you set it to be enabled

[grizzled bloom]

I'd probably keep it at -0.08v then. That should really help the temps. 85C is much, much better.

[grand elk]

Yeah I was on a little bit already. They are much better today. Still high at some points but it’s probably just because of what the game is doing

[magic oxide]

Heavy rendering, running server, 3d modeling, editing, work, data processing and gaming ofc. Everything
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qfh7pB

[amber canopy]

x79 is the best choice ofc

[carmine seal]

I purchased an Asrock Z790 PG Lightning Intel LGA1700 (14th,13th,12th Gen) ATX Motherboard and the Intel i7-14700KF https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162084 A BIOS update allows the MB to support 14th Gen CPUs. Should I expect the board to boot so that I can update the BIOS, or will I need a 12th or 13th Gen processor installed to update the BIOS in order to use the i7-14700KF?

[burnt spear]

Bios flash button

Pc does not boot if the cpu is not supported by existing bios

[lyric turret]

this mobo is so nice but not paying the price for it

[cyan raft]

It aint worth it

I own 2

All it does is make me want to shoot myself

[lyric turret]

Bro what

[amber canopy]

what do you mean what

[burnt spear]

Plot twist, those are all ram slots and no pcie slots

[grizzled bloom]

Is it just the camera angle or are all those x16 slots wired for x8

What a waste of space

[amber canopy]

3 are x8, the blues are x16

too bad the board is dead

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm ok it's the camera angle then

[magic oxide]

Wot

[amber canopy]

(dont follow my advice)

[grizzled bloom]

Don't mind him he shills old workstation hardware

[amber canopy]

old AND relevant

[grizzled bloom]

Relevant if your total budget for a PC is $100

[magic oxide]

Which board should I go for though? They all seem very similar but don't know if there are any prejudices on some or something to look for

[grizzled bloom]

There's not really any particularly bad Z790 boards as long as you get a known brand

Just get the cheapest with the features you want

[magic oxide]

Gotcha

Or would it be better to get network separate and get a board with an extra supported pcie slot?

Instead of getting the board with everything already

[grizzled bloom]

Like a separate wifi card? It's usually cheaper to get it integrated into the motherboard and standalone cards aren't noticeably better

[magic oxide]

Yeah, ah OK yeah I'll prob just get the cheapest one from the list I sent before then

[patent shard]

not sure if it’s normal behavior

when i first assembled the pc, after plugging in the PSU and switch on the switch, the motherboard RGB lights up without me pressing power On for the PC. so the PC is off but PSU made the motherboard have RGB lights

after turning the pc off, motherboard RGB light also off. The next time i unplugged PSU, to do some troubleshoot, and then plug in the PSU again, the motherboard RGB doesn’t turn on by itself. Until i press Power on for the entire PC, then the RGB glows with other pc components

but everything works, just the mobo doesn’t have the rgb like it did initially

[grizzled bloom]

That's a pretty normal bios quirk

Nothing to worry about, RGB is notoriously weird

[vast meadow]

Apart from not looking as fancy this one is what I'd use
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mYnypg/gigabyte-z790-gaming-x-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-gaming-x-ax
And for ram I'd change it as well dominators are rip offs tbh

[vast meadow]

Id also get one of these kits since you could use the ram and faster
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jn26Mp/gskill-ripjaws-s5-96-gb-2-x-48-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f48gx2-rs5k
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VdxxFT/gskill-trident-z5-rgb-96-gb-2-x-48-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f48gx2-tz5rw

[tribal viper]

Tossed up between https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi/p/N82E16813162079 and https://www.newegg.com/msi-pro-x670-p-wifi/p/N82E16813144551, price diff is like $20 so not an issue. Wondering if the Realtek 897 audio is actually noticabelly worse then the 4080 on the MSI. Also, my current MOBO turns off SATA ports when my M.2 is installed, that a thing on these boards?

[grand elk]

Went to test the benchmark again for the current undervoltage and my pc shut off and this came up

Got pc booted back up and it has reset the voltage offset

Save to set it to where it was at and run the benchmark?

[grizzled bloom]

Try -0.07v since -0.08 might not have been totally stable

[grand elk]

this is what it was set at

when i tried to lower it to -0.085 and run the benchmark, my pc crashed

[grizzled bloom]

I remember saying to do -0.08 because the benchmark crashed at -0.095

[grand elk]

-0.08 just crashed the program and my game, everything else on pc is still running

[grizzled bloom]

.

[grand elk]

and i should be running benchmark while under load or not under load?

[grizzled bloom]

Not loaded

The benchmark is the load

[grand elk]

current idle

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's about what you'd expect with that CPU on almost any cooler. Even some 360mm AIOs will struggle at full load, it's pushing 300W.

[grand elk]

But that is only 48% cpu utilization, playing the newest call of duty at 1080p and the lowest graphic settings possible. Is the thermal throttling save? Should I consider better cooling?

[burnt spear]

1080p more demanding on cpu than 1440p and 4k

100c, what did you hit that in?

[grand elk]

Benchmark from intel extreme utility

[burnt spear]

What is it hitting while gaming?

[grand elk]

That screenshot above showing 92C

[burnt spear]

I'd look into a contact frame, should be like $10-15

[grand elk]

I have one

[patent shard]

how do u know if ur iGPU supports 4K displays or not?

[burnt spear]

Hm

Did you set pump to 100% in bios?

[grand elk]

I believe so but I will double check here in a bit

[burnt spear]

Aside from that all I could think is mount/paste

[grand elk]

Maybe not tight enough? I used mx6 and the thermal paste job is way better than previously

[grizzled bloom]

If you have Intel, look up your processor on their specs page.
Every iGPU since at least the 6000 series has supported up to 4k, and all Ryzen ones have.

Keep in mind if you do have an older laptop or something, it's counting total resolution so you'd have to add the internal display resolution to the external.

Oh and I guess I should specify, that's 4k over DP, not HDMI in some cases

[patent shard]

can someone tell me why the SoC/Uncore OC voltage is in red number? i didn’t change this number, all i did was use EXPO profile on my ram so it runs at 6400 MHz advertised speed

[dull flint]

1.3 is the highest advertised safe number for AMD spec to run vSOC

If that's what the expo profile/motherboard asked for to run it then it is what it is

Though that's pretty high. I don't even run 1.25 on my 64gb kit at the same speed

[patent shard]

hmm

maybe i should lower it to 5600 MHz then

idk about ram longevity etc

[patent shard]

what do u recommend me to do? set MHz lower or just keep it

[burnt spear]

Google and reddit are telling me it's more than fine but id wait for more input than that

Also what kit is this? I don't think any manufacturer would set a dangerous expo

[patent shard]

https://newegg.io/3dd37ce

[burnt spear]

Unless I'm looking at the wrong thing, the specs say a 1.4v expo

Unless that's dram voltage and not the soc, I dont know which voltage it means there

[patent shard]

welp… if anything, it wouldn’t break the computer right?

[grizzled bloom]

You can just manually set the SoC lower, chances are it's just the motherboard being aggressive with the auto voltage. Usually you don't need more than about 1.2v.

[patent shard]

if i set it lower, do i need to also lower the ram speed

[grizzled bloom]

It might not break the computer immediately if the voltage is too high, but it can degrade faster so it loses potential performance over time

[grizzled bloom]

No

[dull flint]

It's within spec. So you can keep it as it is

If they've designed it that way, then run with it

Reports of dying chips from excessive vSOC is old news now

A lot of people have been running 1.3 for a while without issues

[patent shard]

alright

[dull flint]

And that's not to say this is a total guarantee? But in the event it becomes a *widespread issue again, you can almost bet AMD will stick their nose out for warranties on it

No way they'd want to screw up twice on the vSOC, it already cost Asus a serious ding to their rep from the last scandal

@patent shard but if you can't get it out of your head, come back here another time and we can work on running a lower vSOC

[magic oxide]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144567?Item=N82E16813144567&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-slWjIk1P.Gh1wrXvFSIcLQ

Is the tomahawk worth rn? 218/203 rn newegg backorder

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3YxqBL

For this list
(Diff mobo)

[patent shard]

i’ll just stick to the 6400 speed

[cerulean wadi]

7000+ can be done not that hard on 13th gen in a 700 series mobo, it's just 6400ish is much more likely of course.

[patent shard]

so uh, the power LED just keeps flashing after i put my pc to sleep. is there a way to disable the flashing? and for the ram it just keeps light up, i don’t mind it but will it hurt the ram over time?

[cerulean wadi]

Idk the name but in bios is a setting "called" ErP, that's what you need to change probably.

[zinc aurora]

Whats a good motherboard and ram to pair with a 7800x3d

[dull flint]

A620m pro rs and 2x16gb of vulcan 5600 cl32

Always cheap

Probably better options rn? I'm too busy to look

[cyan raft]

B650 Pro RS is barely any more than the A620 last time I checked

[grizzled bloom]

Same price even when I last checked for the wifi models

[cursive epoch]

b650 pro rs is oos

as far as i know as of yesterday

[dull flint]

It's also not often on sale at 125 and instead 140/150

[zinc aurora]

Well it looks like the asrock mb is out of stock

Im thinking maybe with msi or gigabyte

With msi the gaming plus or the tomohawk but i cant tell the difference and both are priced around the same

[dull flint]

Just the cheapest decent you can get

B650m pro rs is also an option

A620m gigabyte gaming x

Msi pro b650m-a wifi

All 3 of these should be at or sub 150

All can handle a 7950x

[formal bolt]

Are used mobos reliable

Needing one for a cheapie 2nd pc

and dont really wanna spend 100+ for one

[placid wren]

You get what you pay for. I understand you need it to be cheap but you can't go to the used market thinking/Hoping for a reliable product. Go to a seller and ask a bunch of questions. if they answer them you have a better chance of that product being reliable but that is still no garantee

[nimble olive]

Does anyone know how to change the boot priority on a b450f

[scenic solar]

What x64 (not Arm) CPU has the lowest tdp?
I see intel Atoms have very low tdps, some of just 2w, but I was wondering if there was a even lower one, let's say maybe 1w...?

Actually, not just the lowest tdp, because I've found a few sub 2w Atoms that are from a decade ago but they're very limited, single core and barely hit a full gigahertz.
So different question, which one/ones have the best power efficiency while also not exceeding 2/4w? For example the x5 z8350 is popular amongst some smaller low power client PCs and it's also really good for that 2 watts it can pull

[dusk valve]

is a i7 13700k and a rx 6700 a good combo

or is the gpu too weak

[burnt spear]

Do you already own either?

[dusk valve]

i have the 6700 and saw this deal and i wanted to get it but i was worried about bottlenecking

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006461/intel-core-i7-13700k,-asus-z790-p-prime-wifi-ddr5,-gskill-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

but someone told me this 7700x would be better for the 6700

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006269/amd-ryzen-7-7700x,-msi-b650-p-pro-wifi,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle#tab-reviews-bm

[burnt spear]

Any other bundles of 7000 series or 13th gen around the price?

Possibly 13600k or 7600, or a 7000 series x3d chip

[dusk valve]

x3d bundle for 470

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006599/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d,-msi-b650-p-pro-wifi-ddr5,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

[burnt spear]

That's better than both of them

[dusk valve]

will i have a bottleneck?

cause i thought the 7800x3d was really powerful

[burnt spear]

I mean 100% with all 3

A 5600 is fine with a 3080/6800xt for 1440p

But if you're going to upgrade cpu, why not get that much better of a cpu and have more room to upgrade your gpu

But the $80 saved for the 7700x bundle is also fine

[dusk valve]

the only reason i was looking at these bundles though was bc i have a 3600 with 2400 mhz ram and wanted something faster

and i had just bought a 6700 and did not want to upgrade again

[burnt spear]

Upgrading ram you'd be fine with a 6700

I ran a 3600 with 3060 ti at 1080p, and the 3060 ti was more often the bottleneck than the cpu

At least in the games where it mattered. Not counting games like csgo and valorant where you're getting 200 fps no matter what

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mWGhP6/neo-forza-faye-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-nmud416e82-3601dg20
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

[hollow vale]

Hello i’m looking for a fast ddr4 32gb kit for a 13700k Motherboard is a gigabyte ud z690

[cursive epoch]

are the parts bought recently?

[hollow vale]

No, not recently.

[cursive epoch]

ok, then gimme a sec

[cursive epoch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mWGhP6/neo-forza-faye-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-nmud416e82-3601dg20

[hollow vale]

Thanks @cursive epoch 👍

[dull flint]

You mean tanks surely

[cursive epoch]

pft

[magic oxide]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006604/intel-i9-14900k,-msi-z790-mag-tomahawk-wifi,-gskill-64gb-ddr5-5600-kit,-computer-build-bundle
The deal is available again and in stock, do I return the 13900k I bought for $500?

[cursive epoch]

no

wait what's the price?

im too lazy to use a VPN

[magic oxide]

It's 800 usd

[cursive epoch]

hm

well 64gb

worth it then

[magic oxide]

Just for the ram?

[cursive epoch]

if you really need that

otherwise keep cpu and buy board and ram

[magic oxide]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RZVDkJ
This was current list

[cursive epoch]

weeell

i mean, it costs the same either way

double ram, or not deal with returning stuff and cope with what you have

[magic oxide]

Costs the same?

[cursive epoch]

they're both 64gb kits

hm actually you do save money with the mc hundle

my bad

[magic oxide]

You think those ram sticks would be OK for the rest of the build?

[magic oxide]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006603/intel-i9-14900k,-msi-z790-mag-tomahawk-wifi,-gskill-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle
Nvm just saw this steal, basically $100 off the total cpu and mobo would cost and free ram. With those savings I can get some better ram and just sell the sticks that come with it for a few bucks or sum

Actually yeah no matter how I look at it it's a steal since I basically upgrade my cpu for same price and get a $200 mobo with some free ram

[burnt spear]

whatre you doing with the pc btw?

if multi core/workstation use 100% go for that

if not there's a 7800x3d bundle for i think 480

[magic oxide]

Heavy rendering, running server, 3d modeling, editing, work, data processing and gaming ofc. Everything

[burnt spear]

ah alr yeah 100% then

[magic oxide]

Yeah already put in return order for cpu and placed new order, since I need a mobo anyways its a win either way

Also helps my undecisive self finally pick a mobo

[burnt spear]

mobo doesn't matter too too much, almost any z790 is fine with any lga 1700 cpu

but that one does have some nice bonuses over some of the cheaper models

honestly unless you plan to ram or cpu oc, a b760 is fine with a 14900k, as long as it has decent vrms

iirc the b660m-a wifi, which consistently was $130 or so before 13th gen came out was fine with a 12900ks

[olive drift]

Is it fine to put a ryzen 9 5900x cpu into a a320m or upgrade it

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on what A320 board exactly, and what you'll be doing with it

[naive pendant]

Need advice!

Best motherboard and memory for an i5 12600k + 4070 in a Thermaltake Core V71 case? Looking for a mobo that's around $180-$220, (don't have my PSU yet).

Also looking for a good set of memory that's $90-$120? I'll be getting a 32 GB set.

[grizzled bloom]

Do you plan to overclock anything

[naive pendant]

does using quad channel ram have any benifits or cons vs dual channel?

if im gonna be totally honest i literally just might use quad channel for the rgb, same speed same capacity of 32gb but i just like the way quad channel looks.

i know its not needed and might be more expensive but thats okay

[naive pendant]

Most likely, maybe not as soon as I set my pc up & start running it.

[grizzled bloom]

Does your CPU actually support quad channel? Or is it just 4 memory slots? True quad channel has definite advantages but it's usually only on workstation and server processors.

[naive pendant]

uhh i can give you the cpu name, i have no idea

there are 4 memory slots

[grizzled bloom]

Most 4 slot boards are only dual channel with a daisy chain to make 4 slots

[naive pendant]

cpu is a ryzen 7 5700

do you know or should i just look it up

[cursive epoch]

that's dual channel only

[naive pendant]

okay, thanks

Ik the z690 mobo series supports 12th gen Intel but does the z790 support the 13th and even 14th gen?

ill just use dual, not a big deal

thank you for the help

I'm also looking for a mobo that allows me to upgrade my CPU in the future.

[cursive epoch]

z690 takes 14th gen too with bios update

and it doesn't matter lol

14th gen is just a refresh of 13th gen

15th gen will change socket anyway

and that gen is supposedly good

[grizzled bloom]

Sorry about the delay, had to get home.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zjQhFs

If you don't like the style on that motherboard there's this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xXxRsY/gigabyte-z790-ud-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-ud-ax

That's gone as low as $170 recently too

Most of november even

[naive pendant]

Not bad looking.

I also just found this, anyone own this or know if it's any good for the price?

[grizzled bloom]

It's an ok board but you don't get anything special for the extra money

[dull flint]

meh af

basically anything past the $130 b760m pg riptide is just...meh

until you get to like

z790i edge

z690i unify

z790 kp/apex

classified

then nothing else really noteworthy

[grizzled bloom]

They do want overclocking support so no B boards

[naive pendant]

2-3 people recommended me this one. Any good?

[dull flint]

even the $89 b660m pro rs is decent

[dull flint]

pg riptide is bclk oc

[dull flint]

it's fine

that one I'd be ok with recc'ing for anything up to like 12900k/13600k/14600k

[grizzled bloom]

NO that's DDR4

[dull flint]

it's likely fine for anything tho

it is ye

you take a performance hit for sure

[naive pendant]

Wait, that's the same board that you gave in the link, yes?

[grizzled bloom]

No, I gave the ddr5 version

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rKGbt6/asrock-z690-pg-velocita-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-pg-velocita

[dull flint]

if we were talking oc I'd suggest this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y3r7fv

[grizzled bloom]

That would work if you're ok with going the roundabout way of overclocking using bclk

[dull flint]

You'd get most of the experience without going into the excessive nitty gritty yes

also tcreate god sticks

[naive pendant]

This good for the 13th and 14th gen cpus if I decide to upgrade?

[grizzled bloom]

Absolutely

It even has flashback to make upgrading the bios easy

[naive pendant]

:sailormoonhappy:

Why is the emoji not working?

[grizzled bloom]

Though I don't recommend the 14th gen at all, since it's just a mildly overclocked 13th gen

[naive pendant]

Oh server is not lv 3 yet

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah we lost that a few days ago

[naive pendant]

Alr.

Is ddr5 ram any good? Is it as hyped up as all these companies are making it look?

Didn't it just come out not too long ago?

[dull flint]

ddr5 is worth the $30-$40 difference in performance

though in our current gen overspending for a mobo is completely superfluous

[grizzled bloom]

Intel is kind enough to offer boards with both DDR4 and DDR5 options, so we can directly see the impact the RAM has on performance. Using DDR5 on anything at the 12600k or higher gets you 10-15% more fps.

[dull flint]

ram too, top shelf sticks come from t-create for 80

[naive pendant]

Coolios

Either of you have or had a 12600k + 4070 build?

[grizzled bloom]

My build is last gen, still new and good enough that I don't need to upgrade for a while. If you're curious it's in my bio.

[dull flint]

I've not specifically had these, but have experience with 40 series and 12th gen

[naive pendant]

Nice build. Love that case.

[grizzled bloom]

I had to modify it to fit the cooler. It may say it fits 420mm, I didn't anticipate that it meant specific ones.

[naive pendant]

Which one, ima guess you either have the 4070ti or 4080.

[cyan raft]

4090

[naive pendant]

Hello, I'm looking for support with a possible fried motherboard.

My pc is an old zoostorm prebuilt purchased from Curry's PC world in 2017, though most of the parts were released in 2014.

I have done some upgrading, added a gpu, switched to dual channel ram, switched to a power supply less likely to nuke itself, and I am still doing some tweaking before I give it to my friend to replace his i3 3rd gen ig pc.

However, recently the pc basically died, it was after swapping power supply.

The symptoms are that nothing powers, even fans/lights, unless only the motherboard main power is plugged in and nothing else, no cpu, no gpu, no sata plugged in, and the fans begin to spin and light up, but nothing boots. I have tried it with both power supplies and got the same result.

I believe the motherboard is fried, or just coincidentally reached the end of its life while I was switching power supply.

Motherboard is asus a68hm-plus

[cursive epoch]

The psu is probably faulty

[cursive epoch]

Sorry for slow reply, what model and brand is the psu you bought?

[naive pendant]

I'm pretty sure it's a vs550

[naive pendant]

It was in perfect working condition when I bought it off the guy, and both psu do the same thing

[cursive epoch]

Corsair vs series is honestly junk lol

Try booting with just one stick of ram

For better understanding of the situation, can you list the rest of the parts for me?

[limber dragon]

So clarification, its completely no signs of life until only the 24 pin is plugged in?

[scenic solar]

B550 gaming plus wtf is this

[grizzled bloom]

I usually see that with a bad zip or the slightly wrong model, like if you have the non Wi-Fi and try to download the one for the Wi-Fi version

I've also seen cases where if you're upgrading a very old version you need a "stepping stone" version in between

[scenic solar]

Current version was released 3 months ago, this one came out a few days ago

[naive pendant]

Yes

Precisely

[scenic solar]

But they are for b550 gaming plus, no other model has this name

[grizzled bloom]

Re-download and re-extract then

[scenic solar]

Ok, it also just set everything to default after exiting flash mode

Wth

I'll try a cmps reset to get everything "clean" and try again also

Idk if that will help

[grizzled bloom]

That sounds like a short to 12V, which can either be a bad PSU cable, incorrectly placed cable, or something else touching that shouldn't be

[naive pendant]

I'll have a look

[grizzled bloom]

For example if you accidentally put the PCIe cable in the EPS connector spot it will simply refuse to power on for safety

[scenic solar]

Do I just turn off the pc and press the button on the back to CMOS reset?

[grizzled bloom]

No that's to use flashback

Which is another option

[scenic solar]

Jk, I thought I had the CMOS reset button instead

[naive pendant]

But I tried every combo, so if one thing was misplaced or a cable was faulty I would've found it.. so there's likely 2 things touching that shouldn't be?

It has to be the motherboard or power supply touching something it shouldn't because I tested everything

Hm

[grizzled bloom]

Considering the VS is F tier and known to spontaneously die due to lack of protections it's possible that something went poof

F as in Fire hazard

[naive pendant]

Like it fried something?

[scenic solar]

I'm going crazy with this pc, I try to solve a problem and another one appears
Why?? That's absolutely frustrating

Now I have to figure out if the PSU or MB is faulty

[grizzled bloom]

If you did have a cable in the wrong place then it's possible that due to the lack of protections it killed either the motherboard or the GPU

The only thing to do is to start swapping parts

[naive pendant]

Motherboard

I tried without gpu

So I was right then

The motherboard is likely fried

For safety, should I test it with my phanteks psu?

[grizzled bloom]

Possibly, again the only way to know is to swap parts. I'd start with the power supply.

[naive pendant]

I already tried the psu so next is the motherboard

[scenic solar]

So here are some problems with my pc:
Dimms often lights up like this (either only one stick or a part of it)
Standby works properly only if it wants to
Screen sometimes does not turn back on immediately either at startup or when waking from sleep
Can't update bios
...

At this point I'm thinking the motherboard should also have some sort of problem (together with the PSU)

[grizzled bloom]

RGB is a PITA especially on memory.
You can add/remove sleep states in bios until you find the bad one.
Flashback might help update.

[scenic solar]

I did not have this problem before the PSU/pc started acting strangely when in sleep mode or I have never noticed it before but that's unlikely

Something going on for sure

It's now working

Bios upd

I hope this solves something

[limber dragon]

there arent any modular cables that you're trying to reuse right?

[naive pendant]

no