cpus-mobo-and-memory

[proper sinew]

Bruh other guy told me to look for6400

Thanks

[grizzled bloom]

That much isn't needed for a 400 tier CPU

Maybe a 600 tier

[proper sinew]

What about 5200?

[grizzled bloom]

Like a 13600K, since there's limits on the overclocking of the non-k chips

[cyan raft]

For a 13900k I got 6000c30, 5600c36 will be perfectly fine for a 13400f

[proper sinew]

Its still faster than ddr4?

[grizzled bloom]

5200 c30 (or lower cl) would be ok

Yes it's still faster

[proper sinew]

4800 cl 38 too slow?

[grizzled bloom]

4800 is about the point where it's equal with a good kit of DDR4, so you'll want to stay above that

[proper sinew]

Ok cool

[proper sinew]

5200 cl 36?

[grizzled bloom]

Good enough probably

A little tweaking on that and you can get it to run faster too

[proper sinew]

So i should get a pair of ram instead of one?

[grizzled bloom]

Easy tweaks at that

Yes 2 sticks is ideal

2x 16GB or 2x 24GB

[proper sinew]

Bro what is 24gb?

I only heard for 8 16 and 32

[grizzled bloom]

They have 24Gb chips now that they can use to make 24GB and 48GB sticks

And they're actually really good

[cyan raft]

They also generally overclock better if you ever want to go down that rabbit hole

[grizzled bloom]

What was it seby got the 24GB stick to? 11,150 or something right?

[proper sinew]

Found same price for ddr4 3200 cl16 and ddr5 4800 cl40

Xmp 3.0 ready

[grizzled bloom]

I would only get a 4800 kit if you were prepared to spend a few days getting it tuned

[cyan raft]

Something like that

[proper sinew]

Manually setting it?

[cyan raft]

Yeah

Takes a few days but performs a lot better than XMP

[proper sinew]

Would that crash my pc?

[proper sinew]

Ohh

[cyan raft]

Only if you don’t test it for stability

[grizzled bloom]

Yes manually overclocking makes the 4800 sticks good, and it can be difficult and risky if done wrong

It's mostly time consuming if you do it right

[cyan raft]

For DDR4 at least, tuned 2133 ram beats out 3600xmp

[proper sinew]

How risky?

[grizzled bloom]

Maximum DDR5 Frequency Challenge with 24GB Modules – DDR5-11158 Achieved
As part of the maximum DDR5 memory frequency challenge, G.SKILL provided the latest 24GB DDR5 modules to the three finalists, and all three contestants were able to push the memory speed over DDR5-10000, with the fastest speed at DDR5-11158 set by Seby9123. This demonstrates the incredible overclock potential of the new G.SKILL 24GB DDR5 memory modules.

Dang I was really close going by memory

[proper sinew]

Bircked my pc or only craching it

[cyan raft]

Don’t be stupid and set like 3V going to the ram and you’ll be fine

[grizzled bloom]

Crashes

[cyan raft]

Mostly crashes

[grizzled bloom]

Bricks are really hard to make these days, especially if you have a motherboard with flashback

[proper sinew]

Green ram?

Old school?

[cyan raft]

Hmm?

[proper sinew]

3v ram?

[cyan raft]

Do not set your ram to 3V

[proper sinew]

Whats that?

[cyan raft]

Voltage

[proper sinew]

Oh

Thanks

[cyan raft]

As long as voltages are safe, you don’t have any risk of damaging your PC

[proper sinew]

👍

[cyan raft]

unless you get pissed off at the pc and take a hammer to it

[proper sinew]

Did you do xmp or tuning ?

[cyan raft]

I manually tuned everything

[proper sinew]

And gpu?

[cyan raft]

Also overclocked

[grizzled bloom]

I overclocked my whole system too

[proper sinew]

Goddam

[grizzled bloom]

Even my SSDs

[proper sinew]

💀

[cyan raft]

What about that PSU tho

[proper sinew]

Damm

Wont it crash alot?

[cyan raft]

Not if it’s tested for stability

[proper sinew]

How do you test it?

[grizzled bloom]

Overvolt it, 130V input

Hours upon hours of stress testing

[cyan raft]

There are programs that stress test

[cyan raft]

Nah, make sure it ain’t a switching PSU and bring it to Europe

[grizzled bloom]

Then once you're done stress testing you have to test leaving it on idle

[cyan raft]

220V heheh

[proper sinew]

I will do alot of rendering

[grizzled bloom]

RMx tho
And even manual switch PSUs will just refuse to start with wrong voltage

[proper sinew]

Idk is it smsrt to manualy tune everything

For me

Plus im begginer to that kind of stuff

[cyan raft]

Overclocking everything took off a good bit of time off of all of my renders

[grizzled bloom]

It's not worth it generally for the average person

[cyan raft]

But if you’re a beginner, I wouldn’t

[grizzled bloom]

But if you get a cheap kit of DDR5 you'll need to tune it to get the most out of the rest of the system

[proper sinew]

It is my first deskop pc

[cyan raft]

Focus on actually learning how to render and model well

[proper sinew]

Yea i will, thanks

[grizzled bloom]

It's a lot easier to just get a kit with the speed you want so you can set it and forget it

[cyan raft]

Guess that’s true for some new manual switch PSUs, i remember I had an old 110V PSU and as a joke plugged it into an EU plug without a transformer

Good times

“Built” a small bomb

[proper sinew]

The fact i was orginaly going for ddr4 then remebered there is ddr5, i dont think i need that much speed

[grizzled bloom]

When I was in high school (think 2010 or so) the kids in the spanish class decided to play a prank and switched the teacher's pc to 220V.
I was called in to help (because ofc I was) and I just flipped it back to 120V and it was happy.

[proper sinew]

Think*

[cyan raft]

Always good to have a newer platform so you don’t need to switch motherboards when you want to get faster ram down the line

[grizzled bloom]

{yes even in high school I couldn't help but be the tech support}

[cyan raft]

{we all were the tech support in high school}

[proper sinew]

Most tech support i did was switching a html channel 💀

[cyan raft]

I remember setting up mining programs on all the school computers as “tech support”

Then next year I was forced to shut them down because the school was complaining their PCs were “too slow”

[grizzled bloom]

Our computers were network booted, no local storage except for a few that were incorrectly configured. Which I installed Halo CE on.

[cyan raft]

Rip

My school invested in about 40 Dell optiplexes

Then added 1080s to all of them

[proper sinew]

Yo do you know where i can learn rendering and 3d modeling?

And wordpress

[cyan raft]

I taught myself everything I know

But I’m sure google has a ton of resources

[grizzled bloom]

There's a ton of sites with free resources for learning

[proper sinew]

Ok thanks

[proper sinew]

13400f
B760/b660
Rtx 4070
16gb x2 ddr5
1tb nvme sdd

Is this ok?

Im sending a request for a computer to a techstore

Btw should i go for 13400f or 12400f

[grizzled bloom]

13400f is basically a 12600kf with a couple extra limits

Whichever is cheaper between the 12600k and 13400

[proper sinew]

Other guy just suggested to go for 12400f

[grizzled bloom]

If the goal is to save money go for it

[proper sinew]

The guy said it same performace as 12400f

[grizzled bloom]

I'm pretty sure a 12400 would be able to keep up with a 4070, at least at 1440p

[proper sinew]

Is it worth it to go for 13400f instead of 12400f?

[grizzled bloom]

It depends on what you're doing with it

[proper sinew]

Rendering and 3d model

Beginner

[grizzled bloom]

Then it's definitely worth getting a 13400 because it has more cores

[proper sinew]

F model?

[grizzled bloom]

All the F means is it doesn't have integrated graphics

It's the same chip still

[proper sinew]

Dont need it

Ok thanks

Wait

What K means?

Overclock?

[grizzled bloom]

K means unlocked for overclocking

[proper sinew]

Ok cool

Thanks

[proper sinew]

So is this ok?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[proper sinew]

Ok i will send it now

Thank you

❤️

[grizzled bloom]

Happy to help

[maiden anvil]

havent tried that yet I will look into it

heres what I found

Crash dump file: C:\WINDOWS\MEMORY.DMP (Kernel memory dump)
Bugcheck code: 0x9F(0x4, 0x12C, 0xFFFF800F5EDBC080, 0xFFFFFB0C18D10820)
Bugcheck name: DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE
Driver or module in which error occurred: amdppm.sys (amdppm+0x3dfb)
File path: C:\WINDOWS\System32\drivers\amdppm.sys
Description: Processor Device Driver

[maiden anvil]

Several possible issues could be
Chipset drivers-updated
Connection to gpu - I have the stock PS that only connects with a Y connection. Would be better with 2 separate connections. Unfortunately not possible with existing PS. Looking to upgrade in a few months I'll likely upgrade to 1000 modular.
Good news ram is running solid at 3200 now

[vast meadow]

What gpu are you using?

[maiden anvil]

3060ti currently looking to upgrade to 7900xtx or something similar in capability

[vast meadow]

well 1st off, a 1000w is a tad overkill, 850w would handle the 7900xtx just fine, secondly, try DDU and reinsall the graphics driver

?ddu

[silk jungle]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[untold belfry]

I have a HP Pavilion d7-3085dx and I want to upgrade the RAM to 8GB it has 4GB 2x2GB now.
So I would need (2) two 4GB sticks to total 8GB's. Its not DDR3L (1.35 v) its just plain DDR3 (1.5 volt)

where can I FIND these pleeze?

[grizzled bloom]

I just find them on ebay

DDR3L is cross compatible with DDR3, you can put L sticks into regular slots and regular sticks into L slots

[amber canopy]

I bought ddr3l recently

[eternal helm]

Who woulda guessed (I definitely would've never guessed)

[icy river]

Okay I need help my computer will only load into bios and say secure boot violation invalid signature detected check secure boot policy in setup and I have tried to disable secure boot and save but it won’t do anything it’s stuck in a loop and I can’t figure out what to do I have an asrock motherboard I’ve looked up every video and article and tried everything someone please help.

[grizzled bloom]

What exactly do you mean by "everything", have you tried clearing CMOS? Updating BIOS?

[icy river]

Explain it I’ll try it

[grizzled bloom]

What model motherboard?

And

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[manic plinth]

Can someone explain to me why my z790 maximus hero can overclock my ram better than my kingpin?

Same chipset

[vast meadow]

Could just be bios differences although the kingpin should have better results because it only has 2 slots

[burnt spear]

Depending on how bad the results are, could need to rma it

Or you just got really lucky on the maximus

[cyan raft]

And very unlucky on the kingpin

[scenic solar]

What's the best program (not overcomplicated) that I can use in windows to change ram speed and timings? I got some 3200mhz ram for my optiplex 3050sff but afaik the mb only supports 2400mhz ram. So I'll have to stick to a lower freq but cas latency is gonna be the same (16) but having it run slower than max speed should allow me to set lower cl... (As well as lower the other main timings too) maybe something like 14 instead of 16

[brazen island]

Is it possible to have 196gb ram on i7-12700k and 600 chipset? Because on intel website that says max memory for i7 is 128gb.

[burnt spear]

No

[cyan raft]

None

Bios only way

[vast meadow]

max you can have on consumer platforms is 128gb of ram

[eternal helm]

@hollow thorn this you? You stole my name bro

[hollow thorn]

lmao

not this time >:)

[burnt spear]

If you've an amd cpu, ryzen master

[long geyser]

Note you cant really change any secondary/tertiary timings, which is where a lot of perf is held at. Only other way is BIOS mod.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/omj6mu/guideproviding_advices_for_tightening_ram_timings/

[cursive epoch]

sadge indeed

[scenic solar]

What's the difference between these two? AliExpress gives no description but only the model

[grizzled bloom]

At a glance it looks like the one on the left uses all 4 PCIe lanes and the one on the right uses only 2 1

The one on the right is also only PCIe 3.0

Ah no they both only use 1 lane, it's just the one on the left has 4.0 so it's double the bandwidth

[sharp falcon]

Hey, gotta question regarding CPU types. I have a good understanding about parts and other computer info, however I am wondering if there is any considerable difference in performance between a cpu with and a cpu without integrated graphics. I have a dedicated card for my pc and I’m looking to upgrade a generation to be able to use my 4.0 gen m.2 port. I’m aware what cpu types there are I am only wondering if there is any performance difference between the two. I’d disable integrated graphics anyway since I have a dedicated card. Please tag or reply as I probably won’t see a response otherwise

[dull flint]

Depends on the cpu

But generally speaking no integreated graphics just means it doesn't have any

Cpu is otherwise the same

(this doesn't apply to am4)

[vast meadow]

integrated gpu would actually be nice for running any secondary monitors off of, taking the load off your main gpu

[midnight pollen]

There are specific use cases where having integrated may be useful. For ex if you were more of a vm person you could run the host os on integrated graphics and save the dedicated for vms to run applications. It may also be useful for troubleshooting in the event of a hardware failure or malfunction

[cerulean wadi]

Say $100ish for 32GB ddr5, this decent? https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374369

[burnt spear]

Nah not really

Maybe a bit better than normal for 6000c30

[cerulean wadi]

Yea, not too picky either way but don't want funky looking stuff or rgb.

[burnt spear]

I thought I was in tech deals channel

Lmao sorry mb

That's a good kit yeah

If you're ocing there's a 5600c46 kit for $75-85 from teamgroup that's gauranteed A die

[native thorn]

Which is better, a network adaptor or a wifi motherboard for wifi

[cursive epoch]

they're equally good

[dull flint]

Wifi in the mobo normally

Well it's neater anyway

[cursive epoch]

but wifi on board is very neat

[dull flint]

Integrated wifi also cheaper by equivalence

[cerulean wadi]

builtin at least might save a pcie slot perhaps, and it's been more than decent for a few years. Intel's AX210 or similar chips are pretty good.

[cursive epoch]

even mediatek is fine

[eternal turtle]

cl 16 2400 is jedec iirc

[scenic solar]

Look like it is 1x but you never know since AliExpress often uses images that are different from the actual product

This one is 4x but kinda expensive too

[dusk valve]

whats the best cpu to go with a 6700

[grizzled bloom]

At what resolution?
A ryzen 5600 would work perfectly fine usually, or an i3 12100 if you want even cheaper

[dusk valve]

1080p

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, then what kind of budget are you looking at because 1080p gets weird

If you want the absolute best then 7800X3D

[dusk valve]

i found a deal at microcenter for a 7700x and ddr5 and thought it would be good

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006269/amd-ryzen-7-7700x,-msi-b650-p-pro-wifi,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle#tab-reviews-bm

[grizzled bloom]

Yep that's perfect

[dusk valve]

this fits my budget perfectly as well

aight thanks

[strange ridge]

My neighbor is looking for some insight, figured I’d ask here

“I know we have a bunch of pc gamers here. I am thinking of pulling the trigger on finally building a new pc and I am seeing Ryzen 7 7700 on sale however the Ryzen 9 7900x is on sale. Anyone have either one and would say go one way or the other?”

[grizzled bloom]

For gaming, the 7700 is perfectly fine. There's some cases where it can beat the 7900X because of how it works, too.

[strange ridge]

So if it’s in his budget just get the Ryzen 9 7900x?

[grizzled bloom]

You can, but for most people it offers nothing extra. It's usually worth saving some money on the CPU and using that to get a better GPU.

[burnt spear]

That's the opposite of what fal said

[strange ridge]

Sorry was distracted when I responded

[burnt spear]

You're good just wanted to make sure you got what he said right instead of making the "wrong" purchase

If they're gaming, 7600/7700/7800x3d are the main options to consider

7800x3d is the single best gaming cpu

[strange ridge]

Yeah I was just responding for my neighbor, I’ve also been considering upgrading my CPU (currently I’ve got a Ryzen 7 3800x) with a 4080 suprim. And I’ve been eyeballing the 7800x3d for a little now

[burnt spear]

You'd definitely see a big improvement

3800x with a 4080 even at 4k has got to be limiting it

[narrow patrol]

How good is a core i5 11400? I bought a prebuilt about two years ago (I have massive regrets) and technically it’s just a desktop, not a gaming pc but I mainly use it to game.

I desperately need a new GPU as my CPUs built in one is very bad for games.

[burnt spear]

It's great, not far off from a 5600. You'd be fine at 1440p with up to 3080/6800xt

Could go higher and still see a benefit but I wouldn't bother

The psu in the pre built also matters

If its too low power or a bad model you'll want to replace it

[narrow patrol]

My power supply is 300w max

[cursive epoch]

Is this a branded prebuilt?

Like dell, hp, asus

[cerulean wadi]

Acer I think. Some extra msgs in gpu channel

[narrow patrol]

Yeah acer

[cursive epoch]

Ah, well then you probably can't upgrade it

[narrow patrol]

Well I could but I would pretty much need to get a whole new rig

Scuffed photo of it

[split copper]

gotta love prebuilts

[scenic solar]

prebuilt with rgbs is very sexy

[cursive epoch]

yep

you basically need a whole new pc

[hollow thunder]

Hey all, I’m trying to upgrade to the 7900 xt but I have an AM4 socket mobo, and I want to know what would be the best AM4 cpu for the 7900 xt for playing games maxed at 1440p

[grizzled bloom]

Best? 5800X3D hands down

Or if you're near a microcenter you can get a 5600X3D and save a little money

[hollow thunder]

Thank you, I think I’ll go with the 5800x3D tho 🙏

[solar cedar]

time to put my Ryzen 5 3600 to rest. As someone that does After Effects and Premiere/Resolve work should I just get the Ryzen 9 5900x and max out the ram or get myself on AM5 asap

cuz I dont want to be "too" far behind but also I hate spending money lol

I also have a 3080 so thats also def being bottlenecked rn

[grizzled bloom]

For the price of a 5900X you might as well upgrade to the 7700, which beats it in almost every way

[vast meadow]

If you need cores, staying am4 would save you a bit of money, but slower, how much money depends on if you are getting more ram, what cooler you have and all this assuming your board is good enough for a 5900x. You may not be bottlenecking also depending on the games and settings you play at with the 3080, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. If moving platforms, there should be 14th gen intel and Ryzen 8000 coming in about a month so I'd wait for that

[dim cloak]

Also iirc some or most 12&13th gen based boards are gonna be compatible with 14th gen

[scenic solar]

Just installed 1*16gb 3200MTs ram on my optiplex 3050 sff, it boots but seems to take forever on windows loading screen it's been about 5 mins now...
Solutions?

Do I just shut it off and try again? Or should I wait?

[royal elk]

Yes "14th gen" is just a raptor lake refresh

So it's still on lga 1700

[scenic solar]

Seems to work fine now, just had to wait a bit

[royal elk]

Arrow lake or 15th gen will be on a new socket lga 1851

[burnt spear]

As you found out, just gotta wait a bit for the memory to train

If it ended up taking too long I'd day clear cmos and try again

[scenic solar]

I restarted It a few times and it booted just fine so I guess it was just the 1st time after the swap

[cursive plaza]

assuming this is the place to ask this....I was looking at a refurbished motherboard (funds are very limited and anything would be an upgrade from my 13+ year board) and was wondering if anyone knew about this board. specifically, what the max GPU series it can accept

https://www.newegg.com/msi-gaming-z170a-gaming-pro/p/N82E16813130867?item=9SIA4REJ149074&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googlemkp-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googlemkp-pc-_-pla-corn+electronics-_-motherboards+-+intel-_-9SIA4REJ149074&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid+shopping&utm_campaign=knc-googlemkp-pc-_-pla-corn+electronics-_-motherboards+-+intel-_-9SIA4REJ149074&id0=Google&id1=17926835888&id2=139888004779&id3=&id4=&id5=pla-1999980362388&id6=&id7=1021882&id8=&id9=g&id10=c&id11=&id12=CjwKCAjw5_GmBhBIEiwA5QSMxPxw3wssdGWC-_ZQgO0OvbzrAbsbsZlTan0p_X9P7Z5uVLJbJGx96xoCZ5EQAvD_BwE&id13=&id14=Y&id15=&id16=614106095907&id17=&id18=&id19=&id20=&id21=pla&id22=102662344&id23=online&id24=9SIA4REJ149074&id25=US&id26=1999980362388&id27=Y&id28=&id29=&id30=8181721102228951129&id31=en&id32=&id33=DA&id34=US&gclid=CjwKCAjw5_GmBhBIEiwA5QSMxPxw3wssdGWC-_ZQgO0OvbzrAbsbsZlTan0p_X9P7Z5uVLJbJGx96xoCZ5EQAvD_BwE

appologies for the long link

[grizzled bloom]

For the future you can shorten links by deleting the "?" and everything after

The nice thing about PCIe is it's completely backwards and forwards compatible. You can put a 4090 on a board from 2008.

It wouldn't get the full performance in that case obviously but that's an outlier

[sudden creek]

What do we know about 14th gen and 8000 series cpus currently?

[grizzled bloom]

14th gen will be a refresh of 13th gen and is expected to do maybe 10% better, and it'll still be on LGA1700 (RIP desktop meteor lake)

8000 series is expected to do 20-25% over the current non-3D parts

Which would put it above the 3D parts in most things

In other words next gen is going to be a bloodbath. Intel basically gave up on the next gen and are focusing on the next next gen, arrow lake, which is looking quite good.

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

Hopefully Intel recovers since I have stock in them.

[grizzled bloom]

Arrow lake should get them back in competition. Early results are pointing at 40% over 13th gen.

[sudden creek]

Excited for 8000 series though.

[sudden creek]

Wowzas.

What's the expected core count with the 8950x or 8950x3D if they make that again.

[grizzled bloom]

We're not sure yet but I have seen some tests of 12 and 16 core CCX dies, those could just be for epyc but we might get 24c/48t on desktop

[sudden creek]

Oh sweet hopefully so.

[grizzled bloom]

There's also leaks of mobile AMD chips with big/little cores

That could have been a faked screenshot though

[sudden creek]

I've heard about those.

What's the current ETA on 8000 series? Holding off for that before upgrading CPU side.

[grizzled bloom]

ETA Q1

[sudden creek]

Haven't been looking into PC stuff much lately as I have been fishing and can't really use my PC along with it seems I am gonna need to do surgery soon so I am rather out of touch.

[royal elk]

You're the one with the 8950x

You should know

Frfr

[sudden creek]

Yeah lmao.

[sudden creek]

Neat.

[cursive plaza]

So how would I determine the max GPU that would retain full performance?

[grizzled bloom]

That board has PCIe 3.0 x16 so the only GPU I'm aware of that will throttle is the 4090

[cursive plaza]

Ok perfect! Then I should be good to go then 🙂

[cerulean wadi]

Any extra input if you hear that mobo is $80total & from hong kong?.

[grizzled bloom]

Well that wasn't there earlier, it was free shipping before unless I'm totally blind

[cerulean wadi]

Obviously limited stock & perhaps seller just changed when I viewed it. I definitely would be just checking Ebay if I wanted a Z170 or similar.

[cursive plaza]

no it said it before...but for 80 refurbished thats not bad. better than 80 for used and chancing it working

scratch that...just says used-like new....perhaps i shall look for a refurbished one

[cursive epoch]

used like new and refurb aren't that much different

refurb could just mean it's cleaned up or a return

[cursive plaza]

good point.....I cant do anything now but I will do more homework before just making a purchase. like where its coming from lol

[grizzled bloom]

Instead of spending $80 on a used motherboard you can get an AMD B450 board for $65. That'll get you access to much better processors. Cheap ones too.

[burnt spear]

Yeah, no point in replacing a mobo if your current cpu and mobo work together, or if you're buying a new mobo, cpu, and ram just go b450+3300x/3600/3700x/2700x/2600 etc, or whatever fits in budget

And leaves a decent upgrade path in the future

[cursive plaza]

I mean I've been dealing with a 13yo machine and just now need to update the mobo and cpu. There are a couple cpus I could get to make my current one better but they are outdated and would be used. I have a Dell precision t3600 workstation running with a inspiron 1650 v0 cpu, 1gb firepro v4900 gpu, 4gb 1050ti superclocked gpu, and maxed on 20gb dell ram. It's been working fine mostly because I don't care for top of the line graphics. Just wanna be able to play. Also got a couple pci expansions to add hard drives. All on a stock 660w psu that can't be swapped because of how it was made. It's like a custom size

So anything will be better than I got now haha

[burnt spear]

True, but you're likely spending very similarly to what a b450 and a used cpu would cost for much less performance

Hell, 4500 is $72 and has $60-70 mobo options new for both, and is far better than anything on a z170 socket afaik

[cursive epoch]

yep

r5 4500 isn't too bad

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7Ww2xs

[grizzled bloom]

Far better than the xeon you currently have

[cursive epoch]

that too

[grizzled bloom]

X79 at that

[cursive epoch]

4500 is behind 3600 but that's ok

$72 is $72

4500 is cezanne

aka laptop architecture

wait no

it's renoir more like

[burnt spear]

Ye it's a bit worse https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3481vs4816/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-4500

[cursive epoch]

nice

just a bit is not bad

[burnt spear]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3481vs4816vs2565vs3716/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-4500-vs-Intel-i7-6700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-3300X

[cursive plaza]

Then I should go this route. Thanks!

[burnt spear]

6700k, best cpu on z170 I believe compared

7700k?

[cursive epoch]

hell you can go with amd a520 boards

[grizzled bloom]

Ok so bad news, that Dell uses completely non-standard parts so to upgrade you'll need... basically an entirely new computer

[cursive epoch]

z170 was 6700k

[burnt spear]

Eh, about the same price

[cursive epoch]

but newer

and guaranteed working bios

[burnt spear]

Fair

[burnt spear]

This throws a hitch in the plan tho

[cursive epoch]

b450 might not have bios updated to support 4000

[burnt spear]

@slow hawk

[cursive epoch]

and it's a pain especially without flashback

[grizzled bloom]

I get the feeling this is not a standard ATX screw layout, can't quite put my finger on it /s

[cursive epoch]

it's a dell

what can ya expect

atx looking but non atx screw arrangement

[grizzled bloom]

Good old Dell, why use the standards in place when you can change things juuuuust enough to force people to buy only your first party replacement parts

[cursive epoch]

exactly

and recycle 1990's chassis design in 2023 alienware

[grizzled bloom]

Did you see the new one though? They got rid of the slanted design at least. Better airflow and smaller footprint.

[cursive epoch]

Yeah

That was a move at least

They also added some actual ventilation

The gpu is decent oddly enough

Just choked by the case as usual

I like clip-on fan brackets, but non standard chassis is still hurtful

[cursive plaza]

Pretty much doing that. Just one piece at a time. I have a tower I want to use. Just need a new board

[grizzled bloom]

You're on top of it then, nice

[eternal turtle]

z1 and 270 were compatible

[cursive epoch]

hm cool

[main pulsar]

THE ONE PIECE IS REAAALLLLL

[cursive plaza]

how good is a B550?

[dull flint]

Good if it's super cheap

Also depends on which b550

A lot are amazing some are disgusting

[cursive plaza]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-b550-gaming-gen3/p/N82E16813144574R?Item=N82E16813144574R

or this one https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-a520-aorus-elite/p/N82E16813145247?Item=9SIAPNMJHY9803

[dull flint]

Wth I didn't know they had aorus elite for a520

[cursive plaza]

I am adding parts to my newegg cart so I can work to get everything.

[cursive plaza]

with that response it sounds like its better than the B550 lol

[dull flint]

Yeah I'm genuinely thinking it might be but I'm not learned on that board

Instead at that price

Look up

Asus tuf gaming a520m wifi ii

That one is also $99

Very good board, will run anything ryzen

[cursive plaza]

my issue is that I need at least 2 PCI 16s. I dual gpus

[dull flint]

Hmm

Well that's an interesting predicament

[grizzled bloom]

What's the second GPU going to be

[cursive plaza]

but again, anything will be better than my t3600 motherboard lol\

[dull flint]

Cos second gpu unless you have a bifurcation motherboard will run off the chipset

It needs some form of split lane

[grizzled bloom]

A lot of boards with a second (or third) x16 slot will only run it at x4 mode too so if it's a powerful enough GPU to saturate more than 4 lanes you might need to go up a tier

[cursive plaza]

well right now I have my original 1gb AMD firepro V4900 which I use for just background processes on a 3rd monitor and I currently run a GeForce 1050 TI Superclocked at 4G

[dull flint]

Hmmmmm

[cursive plaza]

I am only looking to replace the 1gb with a 2000 series and use the 1000 series as the background processing (like streaming)

[grizzled bloom]

Ah that'll run perfectly happy on x4 mode if it's just for background stuff

[dull flint]

What if you had a 5600G

Would elimate all need for second gpu

That said, you'd be making a sacrifice in perf either way

[cursive plaza]

what is the brand? I am looking for around $100 for a board whether used, open box or new

[dull flint]

Esp when the asus board has wifi

Amd ryzen 5600g

It's a cpu with onboard graphics

Probably better onboard than the firepro lol

[cursive plaza]

I could care less for performance. I am a gamer who just likes to game with friends. I will easily sacrifice graphics and things as long as it runs smooth so I can play

[cursive plaza]

seeing how the firepro was manufactured in 2011 yea probably haha

[dull flint]

Hmmmmm

If you could go up a tier to am5

We could do this with 0 sacrifice

But it just depends how much you'd be willing to spend

[cursive plaza]

since I have 3 kids now with the newest being not even 2 mo old then not a whole lot lol. I also have a car I have to rebuild

[dull flint]

Cos it's about 300 to 350-ish for AM4
And about 500-ish for AM5 with better end results

[cursive plaza]

maybe some day lol

[dull flint]

Fair enough lol

[grizzled bloom]

It is, by quite a bit

[cursive plaza]

ill make a list of things i want/will keep and share to to see how compatible it will be then

how does one share a wishlist from newegg?

[dull flint]

I'm not sure tbh, you can share your shopping cart if you're logged into newegg

Beyond that I wouldn't know, I normally opt for pcpartpicker

[cursive plaza]

this is honestly the first time I have ever had to search for components to build a PC so I am new to the sites lol

[grizzled bloom]

There's a newegg.io link you can share

[cursive plaza]

I have an older Dell tower (was a dual core machine) that is stainless steel that I want to gut and build into that.

[grizzled bloom]

Sleeper build? Those are always fun

It would be tricky with a chassis like that though

[cursive plaza]

it would be tougher to keep my t3600 case and do that. the power supply for the t3600 is custom shaped and I have the highest PSU that it was manufactured with

ok so its not letting me share it..so here are the parts I am looking at (minus ram and harddrives because I have 32gb of DDR4 ram from my wifes first PC and harddrives still have space)
RTX 2060 Super 8GB
Corsair RMX 2021 Series 750W PSU
AMD/Gigabyte Aorus A520 Elite AM4
AMD Ryzen 5 5500 Zen 3 6-core 3.6 GHz

and as stated I have the 4GB 1050 TI Superclocked dual fan model I will retain

my shell will hopefully be an old Dell XPS 630i

someone on ebay managed to do an upgrade on it becuase it has windows 10 lol

[dull flint]

What's your total budget my guy

Do you have an ssd at all?

[cursive plaza]

I added that to it so I can clone my operating system onto it. currently still have OS on HDD

but for budget, cheapest is best. I will even consider used parts to keep cost down

[dull flint]

Alr

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Qd4DZ

Something like this

How fast is the 32gb ddr4 you have?

[cursive plaza]

dont know off the top of my head

[dull flint]

If it's really slow like, 2133

Might be better to just sell

[cursive plaza]

no i know its not that slow

3200

[dull flint]

Ah then yeah just use that

[cursive plaza]

and I actually only have 16gb...so Ill probably add more RAM lol

[dull flint]

It's not mixed sticks yeah?

Ah if you want more I'd buy a new kit and sell the old

Cheaper than buying extra

[cursive plaza]

nope. wife bought a new PC and it came matching, she wanted more immediately and at the same tome got 64gb worth of ram

[dull flint]

And less compatibility issues

[cursive plaza]

probably what I will do then

[dull flint]

Alr one sec I'll add it to the list the kit I'd get

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dv4RBL

Boop

[brave fiber]

is buying a wifi mobo worth it or could I just buy a regular mobo and some wifi antennas

[dull flint]

It's worth getting the wifi in the board

Usually cheaper

And more effective

[cursive plaza]

thanks! I like it all. now I have some decisions to make because your list and mine both look good and arent too far off cost lol

[brave fiber]

ok

[dull flint]

No worries. The cpu is a big jump but gpu yeah perf wise they aren't too different

[minor mesa]

I just noticed that my i7-12700k is only showing 8 cores/16 threads in Windows. (task manager and CPU-z)

What do I look for in BIOS to see why the e cores are not showing? (asrock z690 steel legend)

[burnt spear]

are you on w10?

[minor mesa]

nah, w11. all latest drivers and bios update. i suspect it's due to some overclocking setting or something, i just don't know which setting.
bios sees the E cores, but windows does not.

[wind karma]

I may need to swap my motherboard due to not having enough nvme slots, lol. Looking at these two boards:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cYJp99/asrock-b450m-pro4-r20-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-pro4-r20
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TG9tt6/asrock-b550m-phantom-gaming-4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-phantom-gaming-4

The b450 board actually seems to have better I/O, is there any reason to pay the extra ~5$ for b550?

not planning to do any cpu OC, this is going in a very cramped case that's hot already

oh b550 has pcie 4.0

oh I only have pcie 3 ssds

[cursive plaza]

How is this board??

[grizzled bloom]

B460 doesn't allow overclocking or XMP so it's a pretty bad deal

[cursive plaza]

I mean that doesn't matter to me fully. I just saw a wifi board got 35 and got curious lol

[cursive epoch]

It does when performance gets hurt on 10/11th gen cpus

Ram is limited to 2666 on non-k stuff without xmp

[cursive plaza]

I don't need top of the line lol But sounds like I'm not going that route regardless lol

[dull flint]

I mean, you want the best bang for the buck though

Also buying used boards can be sketch, bent pins (can't see any in that pic but not all are revealed there) are a killer

[naive pendant]

best z790 motherboard for io

[burnt spear]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

What specifically are you looking for? Do you mean IO like USB ports? Thunderbolt? PCIe slots?

[naive pendant]

a motherboard with tonnes of usb at back and no video out for even more usb and at least 4 memory banks (slots)

or a motherboard with the minimum ammount of video outs, becuse i will use a f cpu

[dull flint]

If I had to guess off the top of my head, LiveMixer probably

But fair warning, 4 sticks of ddr5 is extremely hard to run. Highly suggest you don't

If you want high capacity ram, go ddr4 z790

Runs way easier

[agile jolt]

Today all of the sudden, my CPU light on my mobo came on and now my system isn't putting out an image. I've tried to reset the cmos and reset the bios and neither has seemed to fix the issue. I've reseated the GPU a few times and that still doesn't fix the issue. Any suggestions? At my wits end with this computer.

Short update, apparently it was a faulty ram overclock, as resetting my ram seem to fixed it. Unsure why it was acting up now

[compact zenith]

If I said I was thinking 🤔 of buying a series 13 I9 for my Z690, later this year, would Ravell end up telling me to wait again, because so and so announced a series 14 CPUs?

Watch me buy one in October 2023, and be told there will be new series days from now. Seems to be my luck 😁

[hard leaf]

👀

no im not xD, i just advised you not to buy a 12th gen when 13th gen was 1 month away.... since 14th is just a raptor refresh ehhh w/e

still i dont see the point of replacing a 12900 for a 13900... so little gain for so much money, but then again, its your money 😛

[stark violet]

14900k could be a send off upgrade to lga 1700

As the platform is done for after that 😛

[grizzled bloom]

They are slapping more e-cores on it so it would be good for moar threads

[stark violet]

Cinebench go brr

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/donut-morepower-donutmedia-gif-13890153

[hard leaf]

yeah, 14900k over the 12900k is a worthy jump if i have the money, bot 12900 to 13900 i think not

[stark violet]

Sounds like a sad ending to a platform regardless yeah

[brave fiber]

is AC better or worse then antennas

[split copper]

I'd rather have air conditioning than antennas

[vast meadow]

Ac is WiFi, antennas are wifi

[dull flint]

https://youtu.be/MtwIOJ-YWDM

Wow, alphacool giving heatkiller a run for the money

[cursive epoch]

rgb too

rgb improves cooling confirmed

it's real

[hollow knot]

Is there any fix for amd inception vulnerability?

[cursive epoch]

you meant zenbleed?

only impacts zen 2 cpus

and a patch is available/coming anyway

just be careful with links and things you access, then everything will be just fine and dandy

i've never gotten myself affected by any of these serious vulnerabilities tbh

never patched them cause i had pretty old hardware with no bios updates given to it

[cyan raft]

This ain’t making it easier to dissuade myself of another custom loop

[hollow knot]

Inception impacts zen 3 and zen 4 cpus

[cursive epoch]

ah

i wouldn't worry too much and wait for an update

[hollow knot]

Yeah i have a 5600 non x. Im gonna run starfield on it in like 10 days

[cursive epoch]

it works similarly to spectre vulnerability

which is never realistically exploited anyway

[dull flint]

It's not something you should be worried about, they release this data publicly after giving manus time to come up with a solution

[cursive epoch]

^

[dull flint]

And thereof otherwise to neglect it when the performance impact to fix it is far too significant

[cursive epoch]

the patch seems to impact productivity tasks

[hollow knot]

But that was on linux not windows

[cursive epoch]

in the end it's not a concern

[dull flint]

This is the recent branch prediction flaw isn't it?

From like the last week?

[cursive epoch]

yes

classic

[hollow knot]

I was worried. Since this is my first build pc i made.

[cursive epoch]

nah it's fine

[dull flint]

There are more novel steps you can take to secure a pc

[cursive epoch]

absolutely nothing serious or prevalent lol

[dull flint]

And also yes, it's not serious because these sorts of methods take a lot of effort to pull off unless you have a real target on your head for that sort of attack

[cursive epoch]

exactly

[dull flint]

Think of it like, you're a tree in a forest

[cursive epoch]

the worst you'd get hit is ransomware these days

[dull flint]

They may choose to cut you down but it's one in thousands

[hollow knot]

Thanks a lot. Guys

[dull flint]

Yes you're more likely to click on a dodgy website than get branchpredicted

Just virus scan regularly, and avoid dodgy website

[cursive epoch]

And use adblock

[dull flint]

It's the most reasonable measures you can take

[hollow knot]

So keep safe with standard cyber security tips.

[dull flint]

Yes

[cursive epoch]

Ads can be malicious even from google ad service

[hollow knot]

Dont fall for phishing attacks qnd the like

[dull flint]

I come from a family of cyber security

[cursive epoch]

Basic practices gets you a long way

[dull flint]

There's a LOT you can do, but it becomes the case of is it even worth doing

[cursive epoch]

I stopped getting infections ever since I started doing these stuff

[dull flint]

Well it's also like, the premise needs to exist for the threat actor to begin with

[cursive epoch]

That's certainly true

[hollow knot]

Yeah. I never once updated my bios ever. Is that an issue.

[cursive epoch]

A normal pleb isn't their target

[dull flint]

It's not like staying up to date with these things is bad, but you're not going to die tomorrow either

[cursive epoch]

No, outdated bios is ok

[dull flint]

A 5600 non-x uses a very recent bios, you're more than fine rn

[hollow knot]

Ofc i keep my gpu drivers updated

[dull flint]

But a periodic update introduces microcode to prevent those sorts of intrusions such as inception

So when it drops, you can update if you want

But until then just maintain normal practice

[hollow knot]

They probably update zen 4 first then zen 3

[dull flint]

If you want something really secure, move all your personal data onto encrypted external drives

Like that, is already very extreme for personal use

But it's simple to do

So yeah don't stress over it

You'd be the one in a million in a day, more likely to be struck by lightning

Just as long as you maintain good practices

[stark violet]

same but 7800x3d

[frosty depot]

Really? Like your server name doesn't already tell him that.

[cursive epoch]

it's funny but i think we gotta keep it a bit civil

anyway yeah, i do think saying you have the best parts constantly kinda gets old

[hollow knot]

With my 32 gig ram and 6800xt with fsr i will vet 4k60 at med settings

[ocean cradle]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-a520i-ac/p/N82E16813145239?Item=N82E16813145239&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-145-239-_-08212023

I am not trying to take advantage of the promotion they're doing with sharing this, but I'm wondering if this will work with an AMD ryzen 5 2400g

It's a motherboard that says it's compatible with 5000 series amd cpus, but I don't wanna get it, just for it to somehow not be compatible with an AMD Ryzen 2400g

[grizzled bloom]

It does not

Lowest it goes is 3000 series https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/A520I-AC-rev-1x/support#support-cpu

[tender sleet]

Would it be worth paying 146k HUF for a TUF X670E-Plus Wifi?

[burnt spear]

No

That's worse than either of the other two boards you were considering

B650>x670 unless you need an abnormal number of pcie lanes or are running raid

[tender sleet]

Why would it be worse?

more SATA, more USB, more M.2 slots, more PCIE slots

[burnt spear]

Vrms

Also what, 50k huf more than the strix?

The strix has better power delivery, likely better ocing (and I think ram ocing)

If you need more usbs, just get a USB hub for 10-20 usd

If you need more storage drives, then maybe you have a use case for x670s, but you'd only need that many ports if you need upwards of 10-16tb of ssd storage

Extra pcie slots isn't really needed, you're not going to ever run more than one gpu unless you use a second one for something like streaming or encoding

[tender sleet]

14+2 70A power stages for the TUF X670E

14+2+1 60A SPS power stages for the PG Riptide Wifi

they are damn close tbf

[burnt spear]

On a b550, the one I used to have, I could've easily had 10tb of storage between 2 sata slots and 2 nvmes

And that was a dirt cheap b550, among the worst

The x670 just isn't worth 150% of either of the other b650s

When you're not gaining anything that will be used

[tender sleet]

What sort of crazy world are we living in?

[burnt spear]

Wdym?

[tender sleet]

For absolute ages you wanted the top mobos for the features

[burnt spear]

In the US, 4tb nvme ssds have gotten as cheap as $150

[burnt spear]

On am5 motherboards are overbuilt

[tender sleet]

and now a low-mid range "downgrade chipset" motherboard actually matches the top sellers

I feel like a fossil lmao

[burnt spear]

The 125 usd a620m pro rs wifi is a great mobo for the 7800x3d

On lga1700 there's definitely some mobos I'd avoid

[tender sleet]

Oh yeah you can't OC X3D chips anyway

[burnt spear]

But most am5 motherboards are very solid

[burnt spear]

Most h610s I wouldn't trust for over a 12100f/13100f

There's a few a620s I wouldnt bother with

But much less than most other sockets

And even those ones are mediocre for the most part

[tender sleet]

TBF
TUF GAMING A620-PRO WIFI is 88k HUF for me
At that point I'm willing to pay 100k for a B650E PG Riptide Wifi

cuz I need Bluetooth on the mobo

[burnt spear]

That's fine then

Pg riptide is pog

[tender sleet]

oh it is

[tender sleet]

these are the ones I was debating between (there is a site where I can get a STRIX for 92k HUF on backorder)

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NL26Mp/msi-pro-a620m-e-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-a620m-e this is I think the cheapest am5 mobo

Would be fine with a 7500f or 7600, id just spend a bit more for a good bit better mobo

[burnt spear]

Either is a fine choice, both are great motherboards

The strix is better I believe, but backorder is annoying

[tender sleet]

the Strix has more fast USB ports and 2 PCIE ×1 ports
But the Riptide has an ×4 slot for an external SSD

but even at that 111k price

it's like neck and neck IMO

[royal elk]

Thats like not bad lol

[tender sleet]

Both seem good enough for even a 7950X

if I ever wanna plonk one in it later

[burnt spear]

Oh they're easily fine for one

I'd imagine they'll be fine for next gen flagship too

Though you're gaming, right? You'd want an x3d chip, not 7950x

[cursive epoch]

^

and 7800x3d to be precise

[tender sleet]

aye

[dull flint]

no way

[tender sleet]

Wdym?
Is that good or bad?

[dull flint]

objectively speaking you'd gain basically zero value over the strix or riptide

AM5 be like this, cheap is best

[tender sleet]

I keep getting surprised

day after day

@dull flint can I DM you?

[halcyon relic]

how does a threadripper pro 5955 compare to a 7900x3d nowadays? picked up an Asus pro WS WRX80 mb for cheap and going to be running a server, really just wondering if I should consider that or just return/resell the motherboard and go 7000 series

[vast meadow]

whats the use case for the server?

[halcyon relic]

docker, Vms, media, NAS , ML, programming

lil bit of everything

lol

[vast meadow]

i mean idk why oud get an x3d for that since its more and worse in multi core applications but a regular 7900x would stomp it, 7950 would do it more, only reason for a TR would be for the extra pcie lanes or something

[halcyon relic]

maybe I was wondering just in general new gen Ryzen * not necessarily the x3d

hmm okay basically just decide how much ram i’m going to need and how many pcie lanes i’m going to use ?

[vast meadow]

well if youre gonna use more than whats available on a x670e(doubtful) then yeah the TR would make sense otherwise 7000

[long geyser]

Also if you want an all in one solution to server features, mainly such as IPMI. Cant imagine there are any cheap AM5 mobos with such features. That said you can get external devices that can simulate most stuff like IPMI, such as some Raspberry PI thing (idk the most valuable solution tho).
WRX80 mobo also seems to have PCIE bifurcation which can be useful in certain scenarios, but not for the average person. I dont think even for the average homelabs person either.

I highly doubt WRX80 platform will be worth it but it might be.

[grizzled bloom]

Building on this, it would be easy to wire a pi to the power pins and enable remote access features on boot. You can get any old cheap pi clone for a simple job like this.

[lyric turret]

What’s some good ram that’s compatible for a 1660 super

[grizzled bloom]

What does a GPU have to do with system memory

[lyric turret]

No I meant like compatible lol

[grizzled bloom]

The GPU does not care at all what the memory is

[lyric turret]

Oh Ight

[grizzled bloom]

The CPU is what cares

[lyric turret]

Ohh yea that’s what I meant lmao

[lyric turret]

It’s for my brother AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core Processor

[grizzled bloom]

I'd recommend DDR4 3200 c16

This would be good https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092ZCVHS8

Or save a few bucks and get smaller capacity if you're on a strict budget, but I do really recommend 32GB
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08QV1V17R

[lyric turret]

Yea I’ll get 32gb

[lyric turret]

He has the AsRock 450m/AC mobo, this ram@works for this?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[spark loom]

Is this too much power for an RTX 4070 without going with an AiO or custom loop liquid cooling? https://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4561609

I want to upgrade to 2K, but I also don't want to run hot if I'm just running a cpu heatsinc fan

[burnt spear]

That link isn't working for me

And how is a gpu related to what you're using to cool a cpu

[dull flint]

Upgrading your cpu is the least effective way to move up resolution

[burnt spear]

^

Even an 8700/3600/10400f is fine with a 4070 at 1440p

Also 1440p isn't 2k, that's a misnomer

[dull flint]

Alao, if you haven't already bought it, a used 3080 10g is identical performance but you can get them much cheaper

[burnt spear]

Or 6800xt/6900xt/6950xt are cheaper or similarly priced and better

(If you don't need Cuda for workstation tasks)

[spark loom]

I'm upgrading everything. Starting from scratch. Haven't built a pc in like 8 years. I don't know anything about what to buy anymore.

[dull flint]

Alr

What's your budget

[burnt spear]

Canada?

And what's the budget

[dull flint]

I'll do all the work so you don't have to, in 5 minutes lol

Budget, wifi yay or nay, monitor, mouse keeb?

[spark loom]

All in I figure about 3500 with a 1440p monitor

[dull flint]

Alr

Brb

[burnt spear]

Gah damn

Definitely should not be considering a4070

[spark loom]

Canada yeah

[spark loom]

why is that?

also gotta factor in tax to that so a 2400 setup will run 3000

[dull flint]

Did you need mouse and keyboard

[spark loom]

no

[dull flint]

Alr

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/x6mWXk

@spark loom

I wouldn't really consider going any higher, CA seems to have an aggressive price curve for the higher end stuff rn

[spark loom]

hmmm

[dull flint]

Like 240hz 1440p kinda fits? But with taxes it'll probably bleed over

Odyssey G7 would be the monitor pick instead for that

[burnt spear]

What I came up with https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/cLjLDZ

I'd go for that frozen notte at that price over the ak400

Didn't see how cheap it was

[dull flint]

That works too yeah, depends on your priorities

[burnt spear]

Pg riptide is a better mobo, if you need wifi can just get a separate card

[dull flint]

I'd not pick msi classic xtx tho

[spark loom]

So you guys are all about the Radeon GPU hey

[burnt spear]

Ah is it bad?

Gaming oc is same price

Could go that instead

[dull flint]

Gaming oc better

Phantom way better for 50 more

[burnt spear]

The xtx is a bit better than the 4080 and a good bit cheaper

[spark loom]

so its a 4K card?

[burnt spear]

The 7900xt imo isn't quite worth it compared to the xtx or 6950xt, but I haven't checked 6950xt prices in Canada

[dull flint]

Nvidia in recent is pushing a premium agenda, what you get for the money spent is pretty meh.

And you can ask me about all the latest stuff I've owned it lol

[burnt spear]

The xtx is great for 1440p too, sure it's good for 4k but that doesn't mean it's bad for 1440p

[spark loom]

fair

[dull flint]

The 7900 was like, 130 more over the 6950

So it scales kinda normal

[burnt spear]

Even 4090 tbh, depending on what you're doing and what you want 1440p 240hz is reasonable

[dull flint]

Nah I still hold true to 4090 being 4K

[burnt spear]

1440p 144-170hz like the m27q is a great choice for the xtx

[dull flint]

Average fps over 120 @ 4K is definitely 4K

[burnt spear]

I definitely agree it should mostly be for 4k, but special cases like very major streamers and such I think it makes sense

[dull flint]

I'd also consider 240hz for the xtx

[spark loom]

I think I'd swap out for Kingston RAM and SSD - lifetime warrantee and all that.

[burnt spear]

What models?

[dull flint]

They all have lifetime warranties

[burnt spear]

Model matters much more than brand

[dull flint]

Lifetime warranty on ram is standard for the industry lol

[burnt spear]

Yeah, it's near impossible to break ram unless you're being stupid or your psu dies

[dull flint]

Also I didn't see a kingston ssd that looked worth buying here

[burnt spear]

Often they're not worth anywhere really, only one I can think of is kc3000 i think it is that's decent at times?

Could be wrong about that name

[dull flint]

It's decent but expensive

Nowadays it's like a 980 pro

[burnt spear]

Ye

[dull flint]

Everyone knows it but it's just, expensive

[burnt spear]

I think in Germany sometimes it's competitively priced

[dull flint]

The adata ps5 ssd will give you kc3000 performance

But cheaper

[burnt spear]

Ye

I would go for this ram over the teamgroup kit https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4bPQzy/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl28-memory-f5-5600j2834f16gx2-rs5k

Same die but lower times for xmp/expo

[dull flint]

Yeah I didn't see that, good spot

I would too

[burnt spear]

Everything else kinda a tossup

If just gaming, 7600

If workstation tasks too, 13600k

[dull flint]

Ye

That focus gold tho

I haven't seen that cheap enough to bother with for AGES

[burnt spear]

Psus are so similar it's a toss up but i think the seasonic is better, case is personal preference, pg ripdite is great just lacks wifi, but can buy a separate card

That frozen nottes a great price

I think after conversion it's a better price than in the us

If I didn't have a clc 280 I would've bought the 240 here already

[dull flint]

At a rate of like 1.3:1? Maybe

[burnt spear]

Actually I think it's near identical

[dull flint]

Yeah I am going to get a notte the next chance I get

[burnt spear]

It's about 54 usd

Which I think is similar to what the 360 is here

[dull flint]

@spark loom let us know if you have more questions

We do lists like this daily, and take from a lot of sources for recommendations

[spark loom]

Thanks. It seems youtube is hella biased toward certain brands.

[dull flint]

The cheapest nicest pcs you can get lol

Oh yeah for sure

Marketing is also a huge trap

[burnt spear]

^^

[dull flint]

We look at benchmarks and proper metrics

Things like i5, ryzen 7 etc make no sense to performance these days

[burnt spear]

A lot of people, including a lot of popular YouTubers, are suckered into believing in some brands are way better than everything else

[dull flint]

If I was anything rn I'm a bit of an asrock shill lol but only cos they're so cheap

[burnt spear]

But in reality brand is near irrelevant, EVGA makes some of the best psus, and has some of the worst models that are known for catching fire

Gigabyte has exploding psus, and then makes some of the most competitively priced monitors and some great motherboards

[burnt spear]

Thermalright is the only company I shill rn

[dull flint]

Thermalright deserves shilling

[burnt spear]

They haven't missed on a product in quite a while

Dirt cheap great fans, the beat priced coolers with some of the best performance

[dull flint]

@spark loom anytime someone recommends noctua on youtube, remember thermalright sells the same stuff for a third of the price

[burnt spear]

They even have an aio now that's dirt cheap and performs so similarly to some of the best

[spark loom]

this was what I had down before your suggestions https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZhJRGP

[dull flint]

Not too bad, but you'd get basically the same performance for less out of the lists above

Also hyper 212 wouldn't work with the i7

It'd be running too hot just doing basic windows stuff, the high end intel stuff nowadays are like mini volcanoes

[spark loom]

yeah that's why I was asking about cpu cooling in the first place. wasn't sure if gaming would cause it to heat up a lot.

[dull flint]

Wouldn't heat up much from gaming but it would still just be way too hot under the 212

That cooler has been outclassed several times over since it's inception

[cerulean wadi]

Pcpp.com & find the cheapest thermalright dual tower. 👍 (or a similar decent brand)

[dull flint]

You could do this @spark loom
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MR8XHG

Better performance for less, same cpu gpu

Fitting a decent monitor in that tho with tax? You might go over 3500

So 13600kf makes more sense

Almost the same performance in multicore, same single core, but much cheaper

And you can use a cheaper cooler

You could use a dual tower

[burnt spear]

If you're gaming though 13700kf is pointless, it games within 3% of the 13600k and 7600

[dull flint]

Yeah you'd want other needs in mind to use that i7 tbh

Could do this

Wait oops wrong psu

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/wfcm89

This

Pop air xl also still works if you like that case

One of those few cases I take exception with

Good value in it

[burnt spear]

How's the p41 plus compare to that ssd?

[dull flint]

Worse

The adata ps5 is like xs70 iirc

[spark loom]

what do you mean dual?

[burnt spear]

Ah alr

[dull flint]

Dual as in two fin stacks instead of 1

[burnt spear]

Ohh right that literally is the s70 just different look

[dull flint]

The frost tower cooler I just linked is a dual tower

You can run dual tower quite well up to 13600k, Beyond that....nah

[burnt spear]

Dual tower coolers from thermalright (and a lot of others) perform similarly to a lot of 240mm aios

Ft120 would prob be fine with 13700k for non multi core tasks but then why have a 13700k lol

[dull flint]

Exactly

You wouldn't be using the extra cores you paid for

[burnt spear]

Ye

[dull flint]

Like buying a graphics card made for 4k but running it in 1080p

[burnt spear]

I personally am running a 10100f with a 4090 at 480p

I plan to upgrade to 900p soon

Oh also my psu is a 700w Thermaltake smart

[cerulean wadi]

Lowest res I ever used was 1280x960.... on a CRT 10+ years ago. Pcmr.

[burnt spear]

It's also a full custom loop in an h510 elite

[chilly narwhal]

I want to buy an Intel processor, which one do you recommend, the Uncloked or the regular one.

and a rog strix z790 motherboard

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119635?Item=N82E16813119635

https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll300/19-118-427-04.jpg

https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll300/13-119-635-02.png

and un cloked I9 13 gn, is chep know 300 ,dls

https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/19-118-414-V01.jpg

Wich you guys recomend

[vast meadow]

that motherboard is a humongous waste of money, which cpu you should get depends on what youll be doing with the computer

[chilly narwhal]

video editor and stream and game

[vast meadow]

then get a 7950x3d and motherboards that expensive are a huge waste of money, a 150-200$ one would do just a good a job

im assuming you had the budget since you where gonna buy a 400$ motherbaord

[chilly narwhal]

thats mb is now $279.99 and a discount of 20.dollars

My question, what to process for me, is the one cloked or the regular one, which do you recommend?

[vast meadow]

still overpriced, and the best cpu for your use case is the ryzen 7950x3d

[chilly narwhal]

I don't have the budget right now for this processor, I think that with Intel I want to know if my option is right.

[vast meadow]

you do if you dont just buy an overpriced motherboard, 13900k is like 100 less, even then you could 7950x non 3d

same price

[chilly narwhal]

ok.

[chilly narwhal]

They do not recommend what I want to buy but if I can do what I need.

[vast meadow]

who dont lol?

software recomendations are often extremely lazy and test like 2 things

[chilly narwhal]

Ok, bro this processor uncooked is more better than regular ?

[vast meadow]

the k models are better yes

[limber fractal]

is the i9 12900k worth 320 or should I spent a bit more/wait to get a i7 13700k

[vast meadow]

whats the use?

[chilly narwhal]

yes thats i think i713700K I more faster than the other one is correct.

[chilly narwhal]

waht is yhe difern the uncloked ,and not uncloked.?

[vast meadow]

what?

[cerulean wadi]

English be hard. Yalaniv, unLocked*. 1 can be overclocked & also higher base/boost speed (K model)

[limber fractal]

rn its just gaming

[chilly narwhal]

ok I buy the K, it's better than the other one, that's my question and it's cheaper right now with integrated graphics, thanks for your time.

[limber fractal]

yea but its 70 more dollars for like 5-6% better performance

i just bought the i9 12900k and if i ever change my mind imma just return it

[chilly narwhal]

to edit streaming and game videos, some designs

[vast meadow]

It also has a higher power limit allowing for better multicore performance

[vast meadow]

Then get like a 7700 or 7800x3d

[chilly narwhal]

bt i like intel

[cerulean wadi]

That was to the other person. Patois multi-tasking

[chilly narwhal]

I already ordered it thanks.

[tidal hound]

I have 8 other usb 2.0 and 3.0 ports + a usbc so I don’t think it’s really an issue, but would it be bad to use the bios port for peripherals?

:P

I’m guessing it’s not an issue but I thought I would still ask

[vast meadow]

nope thats fine

[split copper]

Patois

https://tenor.com/view/le-fishe-au-chocolat-chocolate-gif-25868863

[neon sigil]

do i gotta reset docp if i add a new kit of ram

its identical to the old kit

[cerulean wadi]

Might just need to re-enable it.

[cursive epoch]

yes

[lyric turret]

What’s a good SSD? That’s not o expensive but is good

For my brother

[burnt spear]

Depends on country

[lyric turret]

US

[burnt spear]

M450 for 1tb, 670p for 2tb

I'll have to check if you need 4tb

And if you need a high speed ssd, xs70 if it's still $88

[neon sigil]

my friend was looking for a 1tb ssd and i told him to get the sn770

is that not good

[cursive epoch]

it's decent

but probably not the best value

[vast meadow]

It's a decent drive but very bad value

[neon sigil]

oh really

its like $49 right now

thought it was good for that goddamn

i just saw the sn850x for like $55 though

[vast meadow]

Equivalent 1tb drives go for like ~40$

[neon sigil]

i see

what would be good then

surely the 850x for $55 is good i imagine

or the msi?

[vast meadow]

Actually 35$ for a better drive atm

[neon sigil]

better than the 850x?

damn where

[vast meadow]

Yes it's one of the best

[neon sigil]

i might as well buy one too if its that cheap

[vast meadow]

No better than the sn770

[neon sigil]

oh

i see

ok ill tell him to get the sn850x then

[vast meadow]

Eh

[vast meadow]

What are they using it for?

[neon sigil]

eh just general gaming and work

hes a high schooler like me so nothing serious really

[vast meadow]

Just get this then
https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-1tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329021

Sn850x is only really worth if you're doing professional work

[neon sigil]

ah ok

that being said i doubt he'll go for a relative no name brand knowing him but ill pass it on

also how do you decide which ssd's are better

any specific sources or

when i look at benchmarks on like tomshardware like crystaldiskmark i see the sn770 doing pretty well

[vast meadow]

It's literally intels ssd section that sold to hynix

[vast meadow]

Reviews, p41 hynix hsd the random speeds (most important metric) of any budget ssd, basically the same randoms as the hynix p41 platinum, best ssd on the market for randoms, and some of the best sequentials

[chilly narwhal]

So you recommend 7700 or 7800x 3d

[burnt spear]

The 12900k is worse than a 7600/13600k in gaming

The 13600k matches the 7600, but costs more and motherboards are often more expensive, the 7600/7700/7800x3d are fine on a $125-$140 a620 or b650, the b650 hdv or a620m pro rs wifi

Right now there's a $125 good b760 pro rs that's great, but cheapest decent board with wifi and is ddr5 is $150

Could go ddr4, but lose 10-15% performance, $90-110 good mobo options

7800x3d is the best gaming cpu period

If you're doing workstation tasks, or that and gaming, then an argument can be made for 13600k/13700k

But if just gaming 10 times outta 10 you go am5 right now

14th gen might change that, as 13th gen prices will likely drop

And maybe 14th gen i5s will be more competitively priced

[chilly narwhal]

Because I'm order I trady the 13700k I’m thinking. Going to change for 7800x3d

I like ASUS which mobo you trcomemt that processor

For that processor

[jade hawk]

guys, i bought gigabyte A620 S2H - its says in NewEgg spec... Support 6400mhz RAM

but the fact it doesnt

i put on it Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6400mhz and enable EXPO

the PC still crashing

[chilly narwhal]

Because I'm order I trady the 13700k I’m thinking. Going to change for 7800x3d

[chilly narwhal]

I like ASUS which mobo you trcomemt that processor

[neon sigil]

ah gotcha

[burnt spear]

I recommend not getting an asus mobo, they've had a lot of issues especially with am5 rn

[burnt spear]

Am5 doesn't like over 6000mhz often

Try setting it to 6000mhz in the expo profile

[ivory nymph]

Before I go down the RMA path, can someone challenge my logic on this. I have a 12900K, 13700K, Z790 MSI board, and a Z690 gigabyte board, 3 different pairs of ram sticks, as well as a few different PSU's to try. Both boards, with either CPU, give a no CPU present diag led. RAM works in my AM5 systems, same for the PSU's. Is it safe to assume bad luck and I got two dead mobo's/cpu's?

[gleaming goblet]

I have a GSkill 16GB DRR4 3600MHz kit that I was running with an i5-7600k and Asus Z170-E. The board "supports" up to 3466MHz and CPU "supports" up to 2400MHz. I was able to run in XMP 2.0 mode just fine.

Now the kit is being used with an i3-12100f and Asrock B660M Pro RS. The CPU "supports" up to 3200MHz and the board "supports" up 4800MHz (O.C.). But when I try to set the Asrock board to XMP, it doesn't boot.

Could someone help shed some light on this? Also, I was able to get the BIOS on the Asrock board to show target ram speed is 3600MHz but windows only shows 2133 🤷‍♂️

[cursive epoch]

Check with cpu-z

[gleaming goblet]

So if CPU-Z tells me 3600MHz, I can assume the BIOS settings are correct?

[cursive epoch]

Yes

That's good then

If it says that

Or something like half of 3600

1333 and such

Then it's running 3600

[gleaming goblet]

Just confuses me that enabling XMP on a newer board and CPU would cause it to crash

[cursive epoch]

oops, math off but still

might be the cpu not working well with 3600

[gleaming goblet]

I understand it's not a crazy good board

But something 5 generations older would?

[burnt spear]

It's technichally possible they need a bios update, just highly highly unlikely

[ivory nymph]

Makes sense. I qflashed the z690 but no change after the flash/bios reset.

[burnt spear]

Ah alright

The z790 would 100% not need a bios update for the 12900k

Hmm

I guess it's possible, but if that is the case you're the unluckiest person I've seen in this server

Should get a trophy

[ivory nymph]

for real

[cursive epoch]

it's the cpu being 12100f

needs gear 2 to run 3600

and i don't think it has gear modes anyway, sadly

[gleaming goblet]

Gear 2?

[cursive epoch]

only k skus has it

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000058859/processors/intel-core-processors.html

here's the explanation

it halves cpu's memory controller speed

[gleaming goblet]

CPU-Z under the memory tab says DRAM Frequency is 1064. So I guess whatever settings I have in BIOS aren't working

[cursive epoch]

Yes, you have to reduce ram speed to 3200

[gleaming goblet]

No luck.

[cursive epoch]

welp

Board might be defective

[dull flint]

Wut

What you should do is enable xmp then manually adjust for 3200 in the frequency tab

[cursive epoch]

^

[dull flint]

Even a bad 12100f or b660 can do that

[gleaming goblet]

That seemed to work.

Nm

Windows crashed

[burnt spear]

Try 3000mhz then, but your windows install could be corrupted

Or the ram sticks could either be bad or have mismatching dies

[gleaming goblet]

Fresh install. Slot 1 and 3 in CPUZ under SPD tab are all same info

[burnt spear]

Did you check mobo manual to see if it should have sticks in 1 and 3 or 2 and 4?

Sorry if this was already checked

[gleaming goblet]

2 and 4...... how big a difference does that make?