cpus-mobo-and-memory

[dull flint]

If you want the silicon power kit, it's called quote "SILICON POWER GAMING" 32gb 3200 kit on Amazon

Or Oloy RGB 3200 32gb also comes in at the 50's iirc

[tidal hound]

lfg ty

[dull flint]

Np

[ashen pulsar]

So i ordered the motherboard, PSU

Still not certain about the RAM but it seems right

CPU cooler is probably excessive

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hq6myK

[vast meadow]

dont bother with a 240mm aio, get a 280mm or 360mm, 240mm are not much better than a dual tower air cooler, id reccomend one of these
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ttt9TW/ek-aio-280-d-rgb-116-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ek-aio-280-d-rgb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yBDQzy/deepcool-ls720-se-8585-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ls720-se

or if you dont want rgb https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2PFKHx/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-563-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00068a

[grizzled bloom]

Liquid freezer is usually cheaper on the Arctic eBay page

Not right now though, with the Amazon sale

[ashen pulsar]

alright everything has been ordered

oh right the thermal compound

[vast meadow]

comes with the cooler

[ashen pulsar]

perfect

[grizzled bloom]

The gap between 13700k and 7800X3D has grown

[upper aspen]

is this compared to 7800x3d or 13700k

[vast meadow]

I hate the way they label these graphs because it looks like the 13700k os smashing the x3d

[upper aspen]

it should be "percentage difference compared to X"

[grizzled bloom]

The X3D is 11 % faster on average over the 13700k in the games tested.
Yeah their charts could use some work.

[vast meadow]

All they need to do is what LTT does and label the side

[royal elk]

After all these years I still cant read these charts lmao

[dull flint]

that shrinks to nothing pretty quick with some OC tbh

[dense perch]

hi everyone, my pc has all of a sudden repeatedly started freezing for a couple seconds when playing games and i was wondering what troubleshooting steps i should go trough to find out the cause? not sure which channel this applies to

temps seem fine, cant see any spiking in cpu or ram usage same with gpu. i rly dont know what else to look for but its happening as of typing this message

os: windows 10
avg cpu&mem usage: 20 - 30 %
avg temp while gaming: 70 - 72C

i have never had this happen before, first time ever since building the pc back in mid 2021

[grizzled bloom]

What speed is your memory running at?

Not just the rated speed but the actual current speed. This is a common issue when infinity fabric clock is low on a dual CCD chip.

[dense perch]

3600 MHz

[tidal hound]

https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-3200MHz-PC4-25600-Notebook/dp/B08VDSS5RD/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=29XZ9LI3MLUE2&keywords=silicon+power+gaming+32+gb&qid=1687532943&sprefix=silicon+power+gaming+%2Caps%2C75&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1

Thoughts? It’s ddr4 but tbh I need to look at the specs on my motherboard to see if I can even run ddr5

[dull flint]

Not quite

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

This^

Also ddr4 motherboards can't physically fit ddr5 and vice versa. Just a heads up

[tidal hound]

Looked into it, the b650 does in fact take ddr5

[dull flint]

What's your budget my guy and how much have you bought

[tidal hound]

Total budget id like to be under 1k, I’ve already got a 660w evga psu (for like $15 😎) and a b650 tomahawk and some large case I got from a local tech company who was throwing stuff out

I’d like to be under 100 on the ram tho

[dull flint]

Alr and you've spent how much so far

And what is this pc for

[tidal hound]

Gaming, music production and streaming, I might get back into modeling but unlikely I’ve kinda lost my flame for it. I’ve only spent 220 on the motherboard and 15 on the psu

[dull flint]

Alr

One more question, what's the full name of the evga psu

[tidal hound]

I don’t know actually I think it’s bronze something gimme a second I’m not at home rn

[dull flint]

All good, the model is important as evga sells both great psus, and literal firebombs

The same rings true for all brands

[tidal hound]

Not 660 it’s 550 apparently

[dull flint]

N1 ok

We have a bingo

[tidal hound]

Lfg

[dull flint]

So that psu was sold at $15 for a reason 💀

[tidal hound]

Oh boy

[dull flint]

Don't use it

Don't plug it in to anything

Literal fire hazard

[tidal hound]

Wonderful, it ran some old stock Lenovo tower when I tested it and it seemed to work fine but it was a little loud

[dull flint]

PSU's that are branded in this category have a catastrophic failure involved with them

[tidal hound]

Good to know

[dull flint]

Let's see if I can find an article

[tidal hound]

That would be great

[dull flint]

To quote aris

Low efficiency, low quality

Poorly configured ocp

Satisfactory response on 12v, good fan, overall just, not great

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-650w-n1-power-supply-review

So I will factor in another psu into the budget

@tidal hound when did you buy the mobo btw and where

Sorry one more question

😂

[tidal hound]

Few days ago actually at Best Buy

[dull flint]

Ah ok, so we can return it if possible

[tidal hound]

Yeah definitely

I do like amd though

[dull flint]

I will make a whole fresh list then, no case in there

[tidal hound]

Do you wanna move to dms so we don’t clog?

[dull flint]

Nah this is normal my guy

People will chime in and out

[tidal hound]

Bet

[dull flint]

It's part of our community

💪

[tidal hound]

That’s awesome I’m glad I joined

[dull flint]

Do you want a black or white aesthetic

I can add a case for a colour change

Or leave it out to save a bunch

[tidal hound]

Black mostly, rgb maybe, accents I’m not sure

I’m happy with the case I’ve got rn

[dull flint]

What case btw?

Just a box? Or something you fancy

[tidal hound]

Can’t give you any specs on it cause I literally can’t find any identifying stuff on it XD

[dull flint]

It's alright, if you can describe it like, metal 4 sides, mesh on the front, glass on the left, that's enough

[tidal hound]

It’s something I just like the look of, it’s sturdy too, some big case SAS threw out and my gfs dad pulled cause he’s a coder there

[dull flint]

Is it a standard sized case?

Or is it a unique shape, big? Small? Normal?

[tidal hound]

All metal, mesh on the top back and two spots on one side one above the cpu and one down near the bottom but it doesn’t look comparable with any fan

Tmr morning I can grab pics and stuff

It seems big

[dull flint]

So like an older box then by the sounds of it

It not being compatible with any fan is very concerning 😂😂

[tidal hound]

Perhaps. The motherboard I have rn fits perfectly though

And ye olde gtx 260 also mounts nicely

Not that I’m gonna use it really I don’t think it can run anything of quality

[dull flint]

Need wifi?

[tidal hound]

Yes

I would also like to run amd, just a personal preference

[dull flint]

All amd or do you want nvidia for modelling?

They'll both do it just one will be much faster

[tidal hound]

For graphics I don’t really have a preference, I’ve always used amd but I know people really trust nvidia

[dull flint]

Oh I'm not ashamed of recommending either

Just for blender it's a niche for nvidia

It's like night and day performance

For everything else AMD is better value rn

I have heavy experience at this point with both sides of the coin

[tidal hound]

Like I said I’m probably not gonna get back into modeling so if it’s cheaper I’ll just rock amd 😎

[dull flint]

Alr no worries

[tidal hound]

Like I said, I’ll post my case and components I’ve got tmr morning so you can see what I’m working with

[dull flint]

@tidal hound
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kRQvzf

Rare instance where am4 still makes a little sense

Lots of gpu grunt, lots of cpu grunt, I added an extra cpu cooler there in case you find yourself needing one after putting it together (the stock one in the cpu box might be loud or not great in an older case)

This is good for 1440p gaming

[tidal hound]

Wow that’s incredible

Is that ssd compatible?

[dull flint]

Ye

If you need a really fast ssd you could change it

30 more dollars would get you a top spec gen 4

For music production I'm not sure, we normally suggest that for video production instead

Actually audio doesn't need it only video

It should be fine

Audio tracks aren't half a terabyte

Yeah this should be good for most of anything

[tidal hound]

Mixing honestly takes almost nothing to run, I just end up short on storage with projects and stuff with my current build which has like 1tb total

[dull flint]

Ah ok so 2tb is good then

[tidal hound]

Yeah really good

[dull flint]

I also threw in extra fans for the case

But idk, you may need a fan controller for like $5 on top to run everything

Hold on I'll get the link

[tidal hound]

I noticed, that’s appreciated, I’m gonna wait till tmr before I cop anything but that’s amazing. The 5700 is so much cheaper than the 7700 or 7600 I was thinking about too 🥹

[dull flint]

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-FH-04-Control-Supports-Cooling/dp/B09Y8JM838/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=deepcool+fh-04&qid=1687536095&refresh=1&sr=8-2

[dull flint]

Both are better, but it's weird

There's no really good gpu at like the 400$ mark rn

So going to AM5, albeit is good because next-gen, you chip off a lot for the gpu

I had a 7700 list if you wanted to see it

Sorry 7600

[tidal hound]

That would be good, if I used the 7600 I wouldn’t have to scrap the motherboard right?

Why did you switch that out btw? Budget?

It is like less than half the price which rocks

[dull flint]

Oh no it's 7700

Either list scraps the board cos it's a bit too expensive

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m7k3Vw

The gpu takes a big hit but the cpu takes a bit of an uplift

[tidal hound]

Valid, I don’t mind saving money tho 😮‍💨

[dull flint]

It's the neat fact about next gen amd

All the boards bar like 5 of them are too good

For all the cpus

So you can pick the cheapest decent one and get the 99% experience for way less

[tidal hound]

Neat, and it’s probably not worth to buy them in case you wanna upgrade In the future cause chances are in a few generations it will be not compatible I imagine

[dull flint]

There's also this build which has a case as well in exchange for 1tb ssd
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CfJDpH

Just some food for thought. I had a look at a few ideas here

[tidal hound]

I actually have a few 1tb sata laying around, I need to wipe and reconfig them though

[dull flint]

Ye essentially. Going the low end is still fine in this case

It's really weird you have a620's with as good or better specs than some b650's

Amd really muddied the lines with next-gen lol

[tidal hound]

Yeah, they make quality stuff though

[dull flint]

Save the lists you like and the link to this^^^

It'll get you set up and there's no more research to do for value, just need to learn how to build now

[tidal hound]

Lol I know enough about building, I work IT I just am way out of my depth on knowing specs and pricing

Lots to think about, I appreciate this bro ty B)

[dull flint]

Fair enough. Good luck

[lyric turret]

Might have to recehck my ssd bc i feel like its slow randomly xD anyway to check to see if its working correctly

[grizzled bloom]

It never hurts to run a benchmark

[lyric turret]

Is the write suppose to be the same as the read

[grizzled bloom]

It depends

[lyric turret]

Here’s the results

[grizzled bloom]

What drive was this again

[lyric turret]

Pv#41

[dull flint]

P41 plus

[lyric turret]

Yea that

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah results look good then

[lyric turret]

Ight cool I’m prolly just tripping ig

[dull flint]

Ssd's won't always be snappy, they'll always be quick

Too many factors involved to say that they'll always be instantaneous

[grizzled bloom]

Yep. Random performance especially is useful on these drives, and any amount of use while testing would influence results. The same goes for normal daily use. Too many things running at once accessing the disk will diminish performance.

[lyric turret]

I wanna do that disk drive copy thing but I feel safer just deleting it and resetting my Pc

[grizzled bloom]

That is the safer method

[grizzled bloom]

Super useful info as always. Funny enough they recommend avoiding Asus Prime models completely because of overheating VRMs. https://youtu.be/ZtHOOyWYiic

[naive pendant]

do you know if the Asus TUF GAMING A520M-PLUS supports Pbo?

[graceful terrace]

I installed a new ryzen 7 cpu into my mobo but now the PC will power on but nothing boots up. No beeps and I can't power it back off unless I flip the main psu switch

What uh ... Why?

[eternal helm]

what board and cpu?

[graceful terrace]

Aorus b450 elite and ryzen 7 5700

[burnt spear]

Yes

[cerulean wadi]

Ren Reo needs a bios update. (probably )

[cursive epoch]

no

[grizzled bloom]

Do you have an older CPU to upgrade the bios with? That board doesn't have flashback and it needs an update to support the 5700.

[graceful terrace]

Yeah I've got the old cpu back in and tried to update the bios but kept getting a bios id check error

[grizzled bloom]

That usually means you downloaded the wrong bios, for example you got the wifi version but don't have the wifi

[graceful terrace]

Okay

[grizzled bloom]

What version is the bios on currently?

[graceful terrace]

f1 😄

[grizzled bloom]

Ah, there's a certain order of updates you need to follow

[graceful terrace]

Uh oh

lol

[grizzled bloom]

You can jump up to F32 https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/BIOS/mb_bios_b450-aorus-elite_f32.zip?v=18a3f9dc1038ebc2ebc4a48f450300a1

Then you can try going up to the latest

[graceful terrace]

thank you! I will try that

tomorrow though, today is done

[graceful terrace]

So f32 didn't work either lol but f61 is working!

[grizzled bloom]

Huh. Weird. I guess try upgrading to latest now then. You need at least F63 for the 5700X.

[graceful terrace]

nods will let you know if it works

Nope lol gonna try 63 now

This is working

And now for 65a 😄 crosses fingers and reboots

No such luck... But 64a worked

And now 65 is working

[graceful terrace]

Should I try 65a again or am I good to go now?

[grizzled bloom]

65 should be good I think

[graceful terrace]

Cool

Thank you so so much for your help!

[grizzled bloom]

Glad we got it figured out

But we'll call it officially solved when your new CPU is running

[graceful terrace]

Me tooooo omg

Lol yes

Now for the manual labor

[graceful terrace]

Holy wow I think it's actually working

[desert moss]

I have a ryzen 9 3900x should I update to run a 7900xtx ? or is it fine?

[grizzled bloom]

What resolution will you be playing at?

[burnt spear]

I mean, 3900x will definitely limit the 7900xtx in a good amount of scenarios

4k maybe not

[desert moss]

i play at 1440

[grizzled bloom]

You'll probably see several games where your GPU isn't giving everything it can, due to the CPU

An upgrade would be good for those games, I'd recommend a 5800X3D if you don't want to upgrade the platform.

Whether that's worth it to you is really up to you. It'll depend on how many games and how badly throttled they are.

[desert moss]

my motherboard is a msi ace 570

[dull flint]

Even then a 5800x3d is still cpu limited in a number of cases

As fast as a 7600 but the 7600 scales a lot better

[desert moss]

looking at upgrading to the 7800x3d

[grizzled bloom]

That would be a great upgrade

Best gaming CPU currently

[sudden creek]

Is a new 12900K for $350 good?

There's also a ks for $400 new.

[burnt spear]

Not really, 13600kf is$290 and better for gaming, near identical in multi core

[sudden creek]

Is it better due to ipc improvements?

I know I probably asked this before but I forgot so please indulge me but 13900K vs 7950x which has better single threaded perf?

[grizzled bloom]

IPC and clock speeds are both up on 13th gen

13900k has better raw single core speed, 7950X is WAY more power efficient and has better multi core

[sudden creek]

How does a 7950x have better multi-core compared to a 24 (8+16) core monster like the 13900K?

[dull flint]

Perf/w it's better but 13900K has more multicore

In the range of 5-10%

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

Okay that makes a lot more sense.

[grizzled bloom]

Half of the threads are e-cores on the 13900k

[naive pendant]

I now have enough RAM for two chrome tabs lol

[royal elk]

U have as much ram as my phone has storage

[naive pendant]

dang

[royal elk]

What do you do with that pc?

[naive pendant]

I'm a college student majoring in computer science, yes I obviously game on this but I also wanted an epic workstation for school so that's what I did

[royal elk]

LOL

[naive pendant]

also compiling large C++ projects uses a TON of RAM

[stark violet]

https://youtu.be/ZtHOOyWYiic

Good to see my msi b650 p doing soo well

[heavy nexus]

How good is the asus tuf gaming ddr5 paired with the Intel i7 12700k bundle from microcenter

[cursive epoch]

What's the price?

[heavy nexus]

350

[dull flint]

Decent. With ddr5?

[cursive epoch]

that's decent with ddr5

if it has ram that is

[heavy nexus]

Motherboard is ddr5

[cursive epoch]

so no ram?

just board+cpu?

[heavy nexus]

It only has 1 ram stick that's 16gb

[cursive epoch]

oh ew

[heavy nexus]

Ik

[cursive epoch]

that's sad

[heavy nexus]

If only there was 2

[cursive epoch]

you'd need to buy ram anyway

[heavy nexus]

Ik

[dull flint]

Meh

[frigid mountain]

I'm new here and don't know much. I am not even sure if this is the right place to ask this.

I want to upgrade the RAM and run two SSD in RAID 0

I'm trying to see if these components are compatible right out of the box:

ASUS ROG Strix SCAR 18 (2023) Gaming Laptop, 18" Nebula Display 16:10 QHD 240Hz/3ms, GeForce RTX 4090, Intel Core i9-13980HX, 32GB DDR5, 2TB PCIe SSD, Wi-Fi 6E, Windows 11 Pro, G834JY-XS97

G.SKILL Ripjaws SO-DIMM 64GB (2 x 32GB) 262-Pin DDR5 SO-DIMM DDR5 5600 (PC5 44800) Laptop Memory Model F5-5600S4040A32GX2-RS

Two of these to replace the two 1TB SSD the laptop ships with:
WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe M.2 2280 2TB PCI-Express 4.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) WDS200T2X0E

Also, if it were you and you wanted 64gb of DDR5 and two 2TB SSD what would YOU buy? 🙂

Thank you for your help.

[mild jackal]

Why raid 0?

[upper aspen]

im doing raid 0 on 2x inland pcie 5 TD510s. Ill update on how it goes in the coming weeks

[mild jackal]

Sounds like a great way to tank your random read performance for occasional benefit in sequential write.

[upper aspen]

ehh this video https://youtu.be/DXT1IXFIFA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXT1IXFIFAI&t=363s showed that there is a small increase for everything except install and record which I dont do often

[mild jackal]

Seems messy to do it on the mobo side - if anything I'd make a striped volume for bulk sequential r/w use case.

[upper aspen]

no im doing it on cpu lanes

[mild jackal]

I meant configuring the volume via bios vs software.

[grizzled bloom]

Hardware assisted RAID (which is what you're doing if you don't have actual RAID hardware) does have CPU overhead to think about as well

[mild jackal]

CPU lanes would be the better choice, marginally

[upper aspen]

yeah. Again ill do some testing and get back

also something like crystal disk still detects the indivual drives right?

[mild jackal]

I don't think CPU overhead matters in that it'll reduce usable cpu performance, more that in most implementations, you're going to lose i/o performance

[mild jackal]

CDM will only detect mounted volume, cdi will see disks

[upper aspen]

whats the actual name for cdi

[mild jackal]

crystal disk info

[grizzled bloom]

CDM is crystal disk mark

[upper aspen]

oh

yeah i meant info sry

[desert moss]

trying to decide between the i5-13600k and the ryzen 7 7800x3d whats better to pair with my 7900xtx, currently running ryzen 9 3900x

[burnt spear]

7800x3d is better but will cost more

[desert moss]

yeah that what i was thinking and pairing it with rog strix b650-a motherboard

[burnt spear]

I would not buy any asus mobo right now

[desert moss]

what about the gigabye b650 aorus elite ax or the msi tomahawk

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2vYpZw

[desert moss]

need a least 3 m.2 going to reuse the ones i have so looking for full size board

[burnt spear]

if you plan to ram oc, could get this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qk9wrH/teamgroup-t-create-classic-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl46-memory-ctccd532g5600hc46dc01

[burnt spear]

then worth looking at x670s

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jJhFf7/msi-pro-x670-p-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-x670-p-wifi

or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YZgFf7/gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-x-ax it does have 3 slots

[desert moss]

ok thanks

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6rMc9r

this is what i picking up tonight

[burnt spear]

that mobo is incredibly overpriced

[cursive epoch]

I'm probably late now but

B650 pro rs is cheap and has 3 m.2 slots

[cursive vault]

I need some help picking an m.2 ssd and ram, this is my mobo: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BR8TVLPL/ref=ewc_pr_img_3?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 ( I am running a 13600k and a 3070 Ti)

[burnt spear]

If you're gaming, a60 2tb, m450 1tb. If you're doing any workstation tasks that will benefit from a fast ssd, xs70 2tb

For ram, if you plan to oc, https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qk9wrH/teamgroup-t-create-classic-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl46-memory-ctccd532g5600hc46dc01

If not https://pcpartpicker.com/product/36bTwP/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl32-memory-f5-6000j3238f16gx2-rs5k

Also, if you are buying that 3070 ti new, I would cancel the order if can, or don't buy it if you haven't already

There are much better priced and performing gpus

Cheapest one new is $490, it's completely outclassed by the 6800xt https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vKZ9TW/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-xt-16-gb-speedster-merc-319-core-video-card-rx-68xtalfd9

[twin mirage]

idk what chat to go to for this, but does anyone know what to do when you have a really good computer but it lags big time when you stream via discord? i've done the basic settings things i've found on youtube

[grizzled bloom]

Turn off discord hardware acceleration

[twin mirage]

already tried that

[grizzled bloom]

Are you doing the streaming or watching a stream?

[twin mirage]

literally anytime i stream anything it lags. i have an at home call job and if i try to stream my call it lags. if i play a game and stream it lags. it doesn't matter what it is, i stream through discord and it lags

[grizzled bloom]

What GPU and CPU

And memory

[twin mirage]

5900x, 3080, 64gb 3600 ram

i made sure all drivers are up to date

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, and you're sure the memory is at 3600? You enabled XMP?

[twin mirage]

i can play pubg on all max graphics but the second i press "stream" it's unplayable

i did a ton of research and built this computer myself, but i'm still a computer idiot. what's XMP?

[grizzled bloom]

Extreme memory profile
You have to toggle it on in BIOS to get the memory to run at the rated speed

[twin mirage]

i know i did that before. my hard drive died and i got a new one. would that reset that?

[grizzled bloom]

Possibly

You can check the memory speed real quick in task manager

Performance, memory tab

[twin mirage]

i'm there. what am i looking for?

[grizzled bloom]

Right below the graphs

[twin mirage]

yeah it says that exactly

Speed: 3600 MHz
Slots used: 4 of 4

[grizzled bloom]

Ok so it's not the common dual CCD issue with the 5900X, probably

I'd run DDU and install the latest GPU driver again.

?ddu

[silk jungle]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[grizzled bloom]

It's more than just ticking the "clean install" toggle does, it's much more thorough

[twin mirage]

i'm downloading whatever it is in the first step. just follow the instructions?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

I have to go but if you have questions lots of people here can help

[twin mirage]

@grizzled bloom you're the man and have always been a great help. thanks!

i have to pay $10 for this?

[grizzled bloom]

No it's free

If you dont have an ad blocker you might have clicked an ad

[twin mirage]

maybe

[grizzled bloom]

Here's a direct link https://www.wagnardsoft.com/DDU/download/DDU v18.0.5.9.exe

[twin mirage]

weird, that's different than the link in "download DDU here" on the instructions

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah I copied the link off the page that redirects to the latest version

[twin mirage]

nope. tried all that, still lagging

i can play pubg in all max settings but the second i'm streaming it's unplayably laggy

[hollow thorn]

What drivers are you on, studio or game ready?

[twin mirage]

whatever geforce has

[hollow thorn]

It gives you two options

Just quickly check that, on the drivers page, three dots on the top right

[twin mirage]

the screen freezes and unfreezes periodically, like if i move my mouse it will be stuck, then jerk really far and stop and keep doing that

lemme see

where is that?

i just click "drivers" and "check for updates", then do the express installation if there is anything to install

oooooooh i found it

it's on game ready driver

[hollow thorn]

Alright

While playing a game and streaming, could you check task manager and if there's some other software hogging all the resources?

[twin mirage]

there isn't. i've checked that

i can have nothing running and i try to stream my screen and it lags

[hollow thorn]

Discord only or have you tried streaming to twitch/youtube?

[twin mirage]

i haven't streamed on anything other than discord

[hollow thorn]

Can you try streaming to twitch or youtube using h264?

[twin mirage]

i can try. never done it before though

[hollow thorn]

You can use obs and stream and check if that still freezes

[twin mirage]

k youtube says i have to wait 24 hours until i can stream since i requested it. time ti try to recover my twitch info

[hollow thorn]

If it works fine, issue is probably discord and not hardware

[twin mirage]

i did uninstall and reinstall discord, didn't help

[hollow thorn]

Yea but there can be unpatched discord bugs

[twin mirage]

k twitch takes forever for password recovery

still waiting for password recovery.........

[hollow thorn]

You can prob just make a dummy account for testing, just streaming for testing not streaming for streaming sake lol

[twin mirage]

sent an email right away to create a new account but try to recover a password and i'm still waiting

ok i'm big dumb. how do i stream on twitch?

omg there's an ai trump vs biden debate on twitch. that's awesome

[hollow thorn]

You can do OBS, which is a bit more work, or just stream with geforce experience

in the overlay, go to setting, and link your twitch account

and then just click broadcast live

[smoky arrow]

who could help me to tell me whether this case + motherboard is compatible?

[grizzled bloom]

What case and motherboard?

[pulsar flame]

does anyone know how much I should be spending on a motherboard for an i9-13900k

I was thinking of getting this motherboard: https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z790-Q-Flash-EZ-Latch-Motherboard/dp/B0BH9DXY38/ref=sr_1_2?crid=HQMX2B3YT8M7&keywords=gigabyte%2Bz790%2Baorus%2Belite%2Bax%2Batx%2Blga1700%2Bmotherboard&qid=1688013674&s=electronics&sprefix=aorus%2Belite%2Bax%2Bmotherboard%2Celectronics%2C140&sr=1-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.c3015c4a-46bb-44b9-81a4-dc28e6d374b3&th=1

but whenever I look at motherboards "recommended" to be paired they are usually in the 500 or above price range? like this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BHCJ1QK8?tag=systoaellc-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

I don't want to under spend on the motherboard but I feel like the aorus provides what I need for a much lower price

[grizzled bloom]

What special features do you need, like wifi and M.2 slots and such?

[pulsar flame]

just wifi and m.2 slots

[grizzled bloom]

You can definitely go way cheaper without losing anything you'll miss

[pulsar flame]

do the other more expensive motherboards offer anything more or just aesthetics and better overclock potential?

[grizzled bloom]

It's pretty much aesthetics and niche features like being able to run multiple GPUs

Overclocking potential is the same for the most part

[pulsar flame]

oh ok thanks for the help

[grizzled bloom]

(some exceptions, mostly memory, apply)

[pulsar flame]

yeah I don't think I need any fancy features just the wifi and m.2, plus this motherboard is bundled with the cpu on amazon for a slight discount so might as wel

[grizzled bloom]

This one has 3 M.2 slots plus the one for wifi, lmk if you need more https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xXxRsY/gigabyte-z790-ud-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-ud-ax

If you want something more "full" looking there's this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8m6p99/msi-pro-z790-a-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z790-a-wifi

[smoky arrow]

https://www.box.co.uk/CA-H52FB-11-NZXT-H511-Flow-Compact-Tempered-Glass-Mi_4094501.html

Im looking for a good motherboard for this case, supports all ATX/Micro and Mini

Currently i have some small pc and its doing 124 degrees lol

So gonna get a new motherboard, fans and a case.

[grizzled bloom]

What CPU will you be using?

[smoky arrow]

I have a Intel i7-9700k

RGBs i'm not really bothered about, if its cheaper it'll do 😉

[grizzled bloom]

Ok I'd highly recommend upgrading that. The cost of upgrading will be about the same as a board to replace yours.

[smoky arrow]

Upgrading the processor?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes. The 12100 is able to beat the 9700k.

[smoky arrow]

Thing is, trying to keep the budget low at the moment.

I can upgrade the processor maybe in a few weeks.

Was just wanting to get a new case + motherboard atm.

Found the case just motherboard is needed.

Other specs I have atm
rtx 2080
i7-9700k
32gb ram ddr4 3600mhz

For the motherboard.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Motherboard-LGA1200-DisplayPort-Pre-installed/dp/B0886QSX7N/ref=sr_1_19?crid=1R8M6337ZLIR0&keywords=intel%2B7th%2Bgen%2Bmotherboard&qid=1688014429&s=electronics&sprefix=intel%2B7th%2Bgen%2Bmotherboard%2Celectronics%2C56&sr=1-19&th=1

[grizzled bloom]

Wrong socket

[smoky arrow]

Had been looking at this
£129.95 / $164.95

Yeah

What socket should i be looking at?

[grizzled bloom]

You want LGA1151 not LGA1200

[smoky arrow]

Okay

So LGA1151 and then is there anything else i should be looking for within the motherboard to make sure its compatible.

Of course the sizing is not a problem, it would be a ATX

[grizzled bloom]

If you want to be able to overclock you'd want a Z390 board

That includes memory overclocking to get it to run at rated speed

[smoky arrow]

Yeah, would 100% need memory overclocking

Due to my current motherboard caps it at 2666mhz

So not running full 3600mhz at the moment 😦

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, another major thing when getting an older series board like this is you will be buying used. Ask the sellers for pictures of the CPU socket to see if any of the pins are damaged, if they don't have pictures already.

[smoky arrow]

I would prefer buying brand new straight from Amazon

Don't like buying used items especially motherboards, due to its lifespan etc.

[grizzled bloom]

The problem with that is any new stock will be severely inflated in price. It'll actually be cheaper to buy a new board and CPU at that point.

[smoky arrow]

Ah ok

[grizzled bloom]

180 pounds to upgrade to this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/MxK4Dq

Or 300 pounds to buy a new board

[smoky arrow]

So if i go to ebay for example, im seeing ones for around $80 does this seem too cheap or a fair price?

Good ones 1511 socket and ASUS/MSI/ROG boards.

[grizzled bloom]

80 sounds like it's used

[smoky arrow]

Yeah

[grizzled bloom]

The cheapest ones I see new on ebay ship from china for 120 pounds or more

[smoky arrow]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/235067220407?epid=903153474&hash=item36bb1921b7:g:Y-wAAOSwTd1kmrNc&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwFnNEqeeekIe0x%2FNpDM1EcQx3h4QLNlGddX5XfLWvK6zpcdnCfznTE8rInbgc3JlDxExOMZyAAzhz1tqjmfC2yZGCAD8OqCYvOwBQUOoOPYr%2F86uFW%2BKYqjS4FT5ZTNUhuOiU%2FY%2FhE33EPNyQQe9QDGoLptc1vs7Yb88IDehGFWlJk%2BLNuHmdhvMVJVfb3As%2BKo9b5I7gEyZpvf1bt6AroCFBlCN6wr4clJNqphksKuWtXJtVn2qSaVThiYzUe%2F5og%3D%3D%7

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394629797011?hash=item5be1c4d493:g:vF8AAOSwwFdkZLGu&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4DvUva9MEFtGfU1y3jQ79%2Fs0z5S4Bw4hqXv9Yh0JoYjwlEI8Mi3WAsIACnfAEneSEyo8Z3Z51whzn3Q8QLWehLqJuA%2BJSmKCFjDpXWrHAW3pq7w%2F04AqS38DaDLvKAE8SNJ%2BwmgqIJQtlvELHZQfAvTGYgRNJNykzmE2zm33z2bbF5agJX6IlKlZ8QNGLJtW%2FXHw7nldBu0K2KE816vxREyBYt3EBIphEa7oGCQOnbDzmNjqxXii4hEEIDxDNuppjV8QCe4fmZvtrTk%2Fa7mAR8cklu3Dd3uvqddKPVyGg6UV|tkp%3ABFBM4pPb2aBi

[grizzled bloom]

It doesn't let me click those links because they're too long lol

[smoky arrow]

Oh okay

[grizzled bloom]

Pro tip: delete everything after the "?"

[smoky arrow]

Or maybe, due to my current case, i can just buy the brand new case, stick the current motherboard and everything else inside.

[grizzled bloom]

So https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/235067220407

[smoky arrow]

And just change the fans

And add new thermal paste etc.

[grizzled bloom]

Z170 won't work with 9th gen, Z270 would work but you may need to update the bios using an 8th gen chip

[smoky arrow]

Yeah

Let me show you a picture of my current PC

CPU
Intel Core i7 9700K @ 3.60GHz 56 °C

RAM
32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR4 (18-18-18-43)

Motherboard
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. GL12CX (U3E1) 124 °C

Since the motherboard is running high temps, I was thinking maybe putting it into a whole new and nice NZXT case, brand new ofc.

stick the current motherboard and everything else inside.

Change and put brand new fast fans in, replace thermal paste

And see from there.

As a new motherboard may not be needed and may be a big pain lol

My current case is small in my opinion and not spacious. A new case in my op is needed.

https://sm.pcmag.com/pcmag_uk/review/a/asus-rog-s/asus-rog-strix-gl12cx-review_gmrg.jpg

[grizzled bloom]

That looks like a standard motherboard so what you can do is take your current motherboard and put it in a better case with more airflow. That Asus case is very restrictive and poor flow paths.

[smoky arrow]

Yeah thats what I was thinking.

And then from there, experiment.

[grizzled bloom]

That will fix your motherboard temps pretty easily, once you put a fan above the VRM on the top left

[smoky arrow]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61BTiUN1PmL.jpg

This is the case I have been heavily looking at.

NZXT H5 FLOW.

Heard alot of good things about it being high airflow.

https://img.overclockers.co.uk/images/CA-1B4-NX/2efb58132229d5b5f7629c3854a1bd32.jpg

Better picture

[grizzled bloom]

They claim high airflow but that's only compared to the previous model that had zero airflow lol

It's not bad overall if you like the look but there's better if you wanted

[cursive epoch]

h5 flow is not bad but there's better options around

[smoky arrow]

£65.99 / $85

https://www.box.co.uk/CA-H52FB-11-NZXT-H511-Flow-Compact-Tempered-Glass-Mi_4094501.html

H511, cheaper than the one on Amazon i have been looking at for £100/$120'ish

[grizzled bloom]

Not a bad price, but this one is 53 pounds and comes with more fans https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08HDLPWGJ

Plus

[smoky arrow]

😄

In my opinion, i dont like the look of it.

Looks pretty small also.

[grizzled bloom]

It's bigger than the H5/H511

[smoky arrow]

Ah lol

Box £65: https://www.box.co.uk/CA-H52FB-11-NZXT-H511-Flow-Compact-Tempered-Glass-Mi_4094501.html
Amazon £80: https://www.amazon.co.uk/NZXT-H5-Flow-CC-H51FB-01-Quick-Release/dp/B0B7VDT969/ref=sr_1_3?crid=29ATUQRGKRLVI&keywords=h5+flow&qid=1688016929&s=electronics&sprefix=h5+flow%2Celectronics%2C54&sr=1-3
Amaozn £100: https://www.amazon.co.uk/NZXT-Flow-Compact-Mid-Tower-Gaming-Black/dp/B0B6Y15C5L/ref=sr_1_10?crid=1B3ULEH2A0JIR&keywords=h5+flow&qid=1688017008&s=electronics&sprefix=h5+flow%2Celectronics%2C68&sr=1-10

They are all H5 Flow's but i dont see any difference lol, do you?

Whichever is the best, ill go ahead and buy. I just dont understand the difference, surely im stupid or something 😂

[grizzled bloom]

The difference is subtle, no wonder it's hard for you to see

The first 2 you can't top mount your AIO because there's only 1 fan slot

The second and third one comes with a fan in the basement that blows directly to the GPU

[smoky arrow]

Ah okay

So the 2nd is cheaper than the 3rd.

Meaning its the best option to buy

[grizzled bloom]

What do you think of the fractal pop air https://neocomputers.co.uk/shop-now/13392-fractal-design-pop-air-black-tg-gaming-case-w-clear-glass-window-atx-hexagonal-mesh-front-3-fans-7340172703082.html?tagrid=57906429

Either that or the second one will be good

[smoky arrow]

Looks nice, whats the difference

[grizzled bloom]

You can put full size HDDs in the fractal

The H5 flow loses that in favor of the basement fan

The fractal is also a little bigger so it fits bigger GPUs

405mm vs 365mm long

[smoky arrow]

Ah okay.

So i have a seagate HDD @grizzled bloom

So would that fit in the NZXT H5 Flow you think?

[grizzled bloom]

No it won't

That case only supports a 2.5 inch drive, not a full size 3.5 inch

[smoky arrow]

Ah so a new HDD would need to be bought

What if i could fit it in somewhere else or put it ontop of something? Would that work temporarily

[grizzled bloom]

It could work but it'll kill your drive pretty quick from all the vibration

Smaller drives aren't as fast in general too

[smoky arrow]

Ah okay

What other cheap NZXT could fit a 3.5'' Seagate?

[grizzled bloom]

There's the larger H7 flow for 103 pounds, and that's the next cheapest that isn't an oven

[smoky arrow]

Ah okay

[devout heart]

Guys is an asus 450-a II good for a nas server and ai upscaler?

[burnt spear]

Meh

A520m plus wifi is $90 for a much better board

[devout heart]

Does all 4 sata ports work if I use a m.2?

[burnt spear]

Not sure, but the list you made only had 2 sata drives that actually mattered so didn't think about it

The 128gb one is pointless

[devout heart]

I was going to use it for truenas OS, which probably wouldn’t use much space

And the nvme to store media for the plex server

[agile jolt]

With the 5800x3D dropping to under $300, would it be worth the upgrade at 1440p?

Just have a 5600 atm

I know higher resolutions are usually more GPU bound but felt it was probably good to ask either way

Or would something like a 5800x be more appropriate

[burnt spear]

What gpu do you have

[agile jolt]

A 6800xt

Red devil I believe

[burnt spear]

You'd probably see some improvement

[agile jolt]

You think it'd be worth?

Don't play the most demanding games atm, I prolly play
Doom eternal
Battlebit
Tf2
And cities skylines the most

And some emulation on the aide

Oh and hitman 2

[dull flint]

Probably better off used

[agile jolt]

I'll take a peek at eBay

[dull flint]

Cos for about 100 more you could switch to AM5, new board and all and be better off

It sits in a weird middle ground rn

[agile jolt]

Guess so, just built this last year

[dull flint]

Ya, I think we helped lol

[agile jolt]

And 5800x3ds on ebay are about the same price

[dull flint]

If you sold your current board, ram and cpu you'd be net positive with a 7600 board and ram

And same/better improvement

[agile jolt]

Is a 7600 really better then a 5800x3D? Damn

[dull flint]

They're somewhat the same

But tuned a 7600 is much faster

[agile jolt]

Gotcha

Worth saving up for them

Then*

[dull flint]

And it'll scale better with newer gpus

Ye

[agile jolt]

No intention of a new gpu anytimes soon tho

So that's a relief

[dull flint]

Then flip ur old gear and you'll have some more

Little earnings pool

[agile jolt]

Mfw

I assume for $220 the 7600x is a really good deal

[dull flint]

7600 is better

[agile jolt]

Oh

Really?

Weird

[dull flint]

Same cpu, comes with a cooler

Yes

[agile jolt]

Ah

Was bouta ask if I needed to get a new cpu cooler

[dull flint]

Nah, am4 is compatible with am5

But also $1 for a cooler

[agile jolt]

I have some noctua air cooler

[dull flint]

So you make off better

[agile jolt]

If the 7600 is just the same chip why sell the 7600x lol

[dull flint]

Marketing moment

[agile jolt]

Fair I guess

Won't pretend I understand them much tho

[dull flint]

They did this with zen 2 and zen 3 as well

It's just a slight clock difference

Less than 1% perf change

But they can sell worse bins in the lower sku cos of it, so more are available

But even in the best scenario it's a couple% difference at best

Meanwhile you could sell the stock cooler with the 5600, board and ram for a little more

So you make a bit more money as a result

In exchange for a dollar and 1-2%

[agile jolt]

Sounds good

Might just buy the 7600 for now, slow spending an whatnot

Should prolly watch videos on it

[burnt spear]

Do you plan to ram tune?

If so this is A die https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qk9wrH/teamgroup-t-create-classic-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl46-memory-ctccd532g5600hc46dc01

Best ram for ocing within a reasonable price

[agile jolt]

Not too knowledgeable about ram tuning tbh

Doubt id push it that much or at all in that department

[burnt spear]

Then just cheapest 6000c32 or 6000c30 kit probably

6400 sometimes struggles on am4

6000c36 is fine, just similarly priced to c32

[agile jolt]

Ah

Haven't looked into am5 much before now

[burnt spear]

A620m pro rs wifi is a fine mobo, but if you want to get a better one probably b650 pro rs wifi or msi b650-a wifi

[agile jolt]

Yeah I need wifi in the mobo

Or do all am5 boards have wifi

[burnt spear]

Not all

The three I named have wifi, obviously per the name

B760m aorus pro ax is $110 right now, if you find 13600k on sale that'd be nice

[agile jolt]

Ah

Haven't dipped into Intel too much

Been with amd with my build so far

Sam and whatnot yada yada

So at this point, it's just worth skipping over a 5800x3d or anything like that
And going just to AM5

[burnt spear]

With selling mobo, cpu and ram yeah

[thorn fulcrum]

Hi

[burnt spear]

If you're fine with white ram
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wNnvpH

[burnt spear]

Hi

[agile jolt]

Yeah PC just sits under my desk, no big deal

[dull flint]

Can go cheaper on the ram

Teamgroup vulcan 5600 cl32

[agile jolt]

Forgot what case I had

[dull flint]

82$

[agile jolt]

H510 or something

[dull flint]

It's a better kit than any of the samsung ddr5

This ram
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-flbd532g5600hc32dc01

[burnt spear]

They don't want to oc tho, the 6000c30 would perform better but I'm not sure how big the difference would be

[dull flint]

Not worth the $30 difference

[burnt spear]

Fair enough

[dull flint]

You can just change the frequency on this vulcan kit to 6000 and it'll run 99% of the time

[burnt spear]

How would 6000c38 compare? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jZD7YJ/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl38-memory-ff4d532g6000hc38adc01

[dull flint]

Pass

They have 95$ 5600 cl32 deltas

[burnt spear]

Oh here for $78 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cY9wrH/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl38-memory-ctced532g6000hc38adc01

[dull flint]

That can be samsung

$87
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bbJgXL/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-ff4d532g5600hc32dc01

They've come down to vulcan price

[agile jolt]

I see I see

Dunno if I'd sell my old stuff, I could always keep it for my siblings when they want a PC

[burnt spear]

That'd be a nice idea

[dull flint]

Easy rule of thumb, anything cl32 is basically guaranteed hynix, and the t create cl46 5600's are hynix A die jedecs

[burnt spear]

That's what I did, I kept my old pc and ended up rebuilding it for my partner

[agile jolt]

On the fence

[burnt spear]

Since all I took from it was the ram, storage, and gpu

[agile jolt]

If I plan on keeping my current stuff, would the 5800x3D be the better go?

[burnt spear]

Wb 6000c46?

[dull flint]

No idea, I only stick to kits I'm attuned to

Nepnep probably knows

Actually ggood might know too, I can't remember if he tried the 6000's or 5600's

[agile jolt]

Looked at some benchmarks from tech spot

Id they're reputable

[dull flint]

I mean yeah, it works. But I do think you'd be way better off on the zen 4 train

Can make an easy $200 back for all that kit

And then you have next gen

[burnt spear]

5600 prob sell for $90-100, ram $25-40 (16gb or 32gb respectively), mobo for $60-120

[agile jolt]

Prolly

[burnt spear]

Guesstimate since I don't know your exact hardware

[agile jolt]

I'll have to think about it I'm selling the old stuff or not

That'll probably be the factor about it

[dull flint]

You'll be net about 150 to 200-ish the difference on both methinks

Also playing with rough numbers in me head

[agile jolt]

Prolly

[dull flint]

300 for x3d, 100 sold for 5600

[agile jolt]

I can sell some old junk

[burnt spear]

Theyre very similar, 7600 with tuned ram wins most of the time

With decent kit on xmp they trade blows

[dull flint]

Then it's 430 for 7600, but 200+-ish for all the old kit + stock cooler from 7600

So it works out kind of the same yeah

[agile jolt]

Gotcha

[dull flint]

But if you tune the 7600 you get huge gains, so it's a net positive

[agile jolt]

I just ain't too good with software tuning and whatnot

[burnt spear]

Yeah, 7600 can also oc while 5800x3d can't

[dull flint]

Ye

[agile jolt]

Il assume the 7600 draws less power

[dull flint]

It does yes

Another small win

Then there's zen 5/6

Easy drop in

(provided a620 gets the support, it should)

And x3d versions on top

Lots of potential

They're also playing with the idea of 6 core x3d too

[agile jolt]

Don't need to pump up the power bill while losing in tf2 or something

[dull flint]

Nah, pbo doesn't do much for ryzen

Can just copy the ram oc numbers from buildzoid ez ram timings

Then do a quick anta777 test

And you'll likely be fine

[agile jolt]

Gotcha

Could be worth waiting

Bday is in a month or so

[dull flint]

That would be a good 10%+ win over the 5800x3d in cpu limited games

And better 0.1% fps lows

So you'd be better off for sure

[agile jolt]

Dunno if the games I listed are CPU bound but prolly better either way

Yea

[agile jolt]

Add BO3 to the list

I forgor

[dull flint]

Tf2 will be cpu limited

[burnt spear]

Bo3 used to run on my 3470 and 1030

[dull flint]

Cities skylines will be cpu bound cos rts

Bo3 ye

[burnt spear]

I think it'll be fine

[agile jolt]

Yeah

At 1440p i just dunno if the upgrade is needed lol

Not exactly playing the current games

Or if the 3d cache will help much

Dunno, felt best to ask

[dull flint]

It's always good to ask

But I mean, you can be net the same money for a little more effort and a cheaper upgrade path/power bill (if this matters)

If you can make the effort it's worth it

Cos come say 5 years from now when you choose to upgrade again, you can just swap cpus

Ez life

Instead of changing the whole platform for the same investment in but not the same resale later

7600 will also resale better in a few years

Idk, maybe I'm wayyy over analyzing this lmao

[agile jolt]

Prolly

I don't do much else on the PC but play games in my free time

Maybe some word documents

I've heard the 5800x3D will be good for ages, which made me interested

[dull flint]

7600 scales mostly the same way

5800x3d is kinda losing its niche

[agile jolt]

And I doubt the 6800xt will be slow anytime soon lol

[dull flint]

Nah man, that card is still amazing

I just got myself a navi 21 last week and the card has been so perfect

[agile jolt]

I got it for what

$500?

Used CIB

[dull flint]

Not bad

[agile jolt]

Heard the red devil cards were good

So I got that model

I just always heard the 5800x3d was prolly the best am4 chip

Thought it was worth thinking about

If possible it'd be nice to keep what I have, but not opposed to change

I can't imagine the combo being considered "slow" anytime soon

Glad to get a lot of help though, appreciate it

[dull flint]

It was, but that's the thing

It was

We're well past am4 now

[agile jolt]

Yeah

I know

My situation was just a tad different, so thought it was worth the ask

I don't see myself needing much more from a PC past am4, but I'm probably wrong

I'll dig more into it

Thanks again

[dull flint]

Np

[agile jolt]

Either route is probably good, one will just give me much more upgrade paths for a tad more cost

I'll sleep on it

Well, go to school on it idk

[naive pendant]

hey

what does “packaging” mean

when you order a pc off Newegg

[agile jolt]

I'd assume the actual boxes itself?

The shipping boxes

[naive pendant]

no I meant do they like switch some cables etc or do they just put the pc into a box

[agile jolt]

I'd assume they unplug the GPU, and have the interior with that inflating foam

Then the PC itself inside it's original box, inside another box

I've never ordered from Newegg though

Seems kinda standard

[naive pendant]

alr thanks for ur help

[devout kelp]

Can you guys suggest me cpu mobo and memory that wouldn’t bottleneck with 3080ti?

Probably budget is around $6-800

[grizzled bloom]

With that kind of budget you can easily get the best current gaming CPU
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kpgc9r

[mild jackal]

Would this be a better option for the same price? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083R7T5P4?th=1

[grizzled bloom]

That's a Z790 though

[mild jackal]

ope

[dull flint]

Could probably go with a cheaper board tho

Like b650-a wifi

Or hdv

[grizzled bloom]

If saving money was a priority sure, could get a cheaper cooler too probably if the case has good airflow

[dull flint]

Ye single tower is more than enough for 7800X3D

Or even 7600 tbh, if they didn't want to max the budget

One sec I'll put these in a list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n9NfQ6

[devout heart]

Guys I just want to make sure that I’m reading this right, so asus motherboards have a flashback bios thing and I only need the ATX power to be plugged in to update my bios and that’s it?

[devout kelp]

How about intel? Because my current ryzen cpu easily hits 75 while gaming

[upper aspen]

what do u mean how about intel? also whatever it is it depends on the specfic cpu

[burnt spear]

Not all asus mobos

[burnt spear]

95c is safe on most modern cpus

[devout kelp]

Ur kidding, really?

[burnt spear]

Mhm

[devout heart]

On the opposite side, is 60C on gaming at max settings and 40C idle safe?
I’ve seen some Cpu coolers do temps like that

[burnt spear]

Why wouldn't it be?

[devout heart]

Idk if cpus have a minimum operating temperature

[burnt spear]

They do not

[smoky arrow]

@grizzled bloom hey

[devout kelp]

its just my room gets super hot

thats why i wanna cool down my cpu temp

but pbo2 curve thingy would only decrease by a couple

[burnt spear]

Technichally getting a case with worse airflow would cool down your room, not that I'd recommend that

[devout kelp]

I see

I have 011d mini with z79

i heard 011d mini is pretty good no?

[burnt spear]

The air version is much better, but it's not bad. For a case with its looks it's one of the best

[amber canopy]

z97?

[devout kelp]

z73

my fault

[dull flint]

It's ok

He gets excited about weird things don't mind him

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/jew-dance-discord-dancing-jew-fancy-gif-21234441

[dull flint]

See?^^

What I tell ya, weirdo

Real talk that guy's not a bad dancer in the gif

Lmfao

[royal elk]

I SENT THAT TO U

[royal elk]

https://tenor.com/view/jew-jews-jewish-jump-happy-gif-13509285

[cyan raft]

https://tenor.com/view/jew-jewish-archerhead-ugga-jewish-people-gif-15943147

[royal elk]

We need help 😭

[royal elk]

The hasidic shuffle

[cyan raft]

we you* need help

[royal elk]

Woww

[grizzled bloom]

Yoooo 5600X3D is REAL

$230

[burnt spear]

for $230 it seems pointless

[grizzled bloom]

Same size L3 cache as it's big brother

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-5-5600x3d-to-launch-july-7th-for-dollar229-at-micro-center-only

[burnt spear]

like $175 I'd say it's a decent option

though at MC it'll probably have some combo deals

[grizzled bloom]

Apparently this is a limited run they're doing to sell off 5800X3D chips that failed validation on one or two cores

[burnt spear]

5800x3d has hit what, $260 new on ebay?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah

[burnt spear]

just seems silly for $230

I'd rather a 7600 at $200 any day of the week

[grizzled bloom]

It's got the same cache so it could actually be faster, with more cache per core

[burnt spear]

possibly, but I doubt AMD would do that, if that would be true I'm sure they put some artifical limitation on it

[grizzled bloom]

We'll know when embargo lifts on the 6th at least

It's only 100MHz lower than the 5800X3D

[dull flint]

"Stock for a few months" damn, that's a LOT of failed chips

Interesting move by AMD tho, 5600 non-X moment

Trying to hype a couple friends to invest in one tbh, I hope we get decent mobo support

[mild jackal]

Probably not - L3 is shared accross the ccx - so if that were the case, the workload might be improperly scaled/configured.

[long geyser]

Idk, is it? They kept stock of all defective 5800X chips that were mass produced for global sales and are now just selling it directly through MC. If it were global idk if stock would even last a day if MC stock is expected to last 6 months.

[amber canopy]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204382822313 @royal elk

[modern pelican]

anyone know of good benchmark to test a Xeon processor? I usually use cpu-z, cinebench, povray, 3d-mark, prime95, and creo on my workbenches

aida64?

[amber canopy]

well what do you want to test specifically? multicore performance? single core? cache/memory bandwidth?

[mild jackal]

https://benchmate.org/ Run 7zip, R23, ycruncher 1B

[modern pelican]

@amber canopyoh sorry mostly just stress it

[burnt spear]

Prime95

[mild jackal]

Ycruncher. You'll hit power limit anyway

[upper aspen]

hey guys, my motherboard came with a USB with AM5 Series-2022.07.01.iso. What do I do with this? Looks to be out of data right?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably drivers

They started sending those on USB instead of CD some time ago

[upper aspen]

and it gets installed after I install windows?

[grizzled bloom]

yes
Windows can mount an iso just by double clicking on it now

[upper aspen]

cool

[grizzled bloom]

It's mostly useful for when you need to connect wirelessly but Windows doesn't have support for your adapter out of the box. You'll still want to get the latest versions from the website.

[upper aspen]

yep

[naive pendant]

my motherboard has built in Wi-Fi

My Wi-Fi is super fast but download was terrible

anyone know what

[upper aspen]

so umm my 24 pin is stuck

not even coming out with a flat screw driver

halp

ok i think I got it in

[grizzled bloom]

How is the signal? Did you install the latest driver? (Not the one from the mobo page)

[naive pendant]

I don’t think I downloaded a driver for it

It’s a prebuilt and idk the motherboard nor where to get it

It’s a intel adapter though

[grizzled bloom]

That would be why probably

[cursive epoch]

Then that could explain it

Windows uses generic drivers

[naive pendant]

I never downloaded a driver for my laptop and the Wi-Fi was good

[grizzled bloom]

Hang on there's an Intel driver package that auto installs the right one

[naive pendant]

where do I find that

I just got my pc

[grizzled bloom]

Sometimes it's fine but often it's not

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/19351/windows-10-and-windows-11-wi-fi-drivers-for-intel-wireless-adapters.html

[cursive epoch]

prebuilt if oem doesn't really have drivers for some devices preinstalled

laptops are different however

[naive pendant]

Intel Wireless Wi-Fi 6E AX211 (Gig+) 802.11ax supporting dual-stream 2.4GHz, 5GHz and 6GHz bands featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology

Wi-Fi 6E

sounds about right?

[grizzled bloom]

That's a pretty recent model so could be

[cursive epoch]

it's definitely missing drivers then

[naive pendant]

so uh which one do I download

the first or second

[grizzled bloom]

Are you on windows 10 or 11

[naive pendant]

Yeah I think so cos the gpu said the latest drivers were from feb so I assume it hasent been downloaded recently

[cursive epoch]

download the one that matches your win version

[naive pendant]

11

[grizzled bloom]

The first one

[naive pendant]

Alrighty thank you guys

Do I have to update the cpu drivers aswell

[grizzled bloom]

It's the 64 bit package, and 11 doesn't come in 32 bit so that narrows it down

[cursive epoch]

cpu drivers? you meant chipset?

[grizzled bloom]

I'd recommend it but not super necessary

[naive pendant]

Idek

[naive pendant]

Alrighty thanks!!

[naive pendant]

I downloaded it and everything, do I restart?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

Here we go https://youtu.be/-NW8TU80fP4

[dull flint]

Solid

It turned out better than expected even if it was slightly under advertised clocks

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, nearly as good as the 5800X3D in most games. Not a bad option if someone was holding out for a cheaper X3D to upgrade their 2700X.

[naive pendant]

yo I have a question but it’s about discord

if I gift someone nitro

monthly

does it stay to them for 1 month or do they keep it for as long as I pay monthly for

[grizzled bloom]

If you gift a month of nitro, it's a one time transaction and not a subscription

You could buy a few months in advance and the time would add together

[naive pendant]

oh alr thanks

oh sweet I have nitro I’ll boost Newegg

[burnt spear]

Just needs a price drop from $230 imo

At that price 7600 is a no Brainer over it

[grizzled bloom]

For a new build sure. But $230 for a CPU upgrade that can match and sometimes beat the 7600 is a lot cheaper than a whole new platform.

There was a microcenter bundle too that was like $320 for a B550, 16GB memory, and the CPU

[formal bolt]

Whats the best 2TB Sata SSD i can get for around 100$?

[grizzled bloom]

This is a S70 blade S tier drive without the extra packaging https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rjkWGX/adata-premium-for-ps5-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-apsfg-2t-csus

[formal bolt]

alrighty thanks

oo 84 on newegg

[dull flint]

Damn

[formal bolt]

does it matter that it says for PS5

[cursive epoch]

no

[dull flint]

Nope

[cursive epoch]

it works just like any other ssds

[formal bolt]

alright thanks

[deep seal]

Memory on laptops

MSi bios won't let change speed for 2933

Only 1 stick 8gb

Want to go x2 8gb at 32mhz, should I just buy two new sticks

[dull flint]

Does it have a second slot for more

[deep seal]

Ye

[dull flint]

What cpu is in there

[cursive epoch]

you can buy faster ram than the laptop supports and have them still work fine

[dull flint]

Depending on your answer depends on if the cpu supports faster ram

[deep seal]

10th gen Intel, one sec

[dull flint]

Ye 10th gen is 2933 jedec

Or 2866 or whatever

[cursive epoch]

comet lake it is

[deep seal]

Oofff, not terrible tho

[dull flint]

Just get a second 2933 stick

It all runs jedec so doesn't matter

[deep seal]

CL compatibility doesn't matter ya?

Think it's a 22cl

[dull flint]

Try to match

But ye shouldn't

That's a samsung sodimm by the looks of it btw (not that it matters)

[cursive epoch]

hm, looks like an hp laptop? if that's stock ram

[deep seal]

Msi

[dull flint]

Haha I was way wrong

It's a hynix stick

[deep seal]

Tosh and get new?

[cursive epoch]

huh then how did msi get hp branded ram in there

[dull flint]

No don't toss

Use

[cursive epoch]

^

[dull flint]

Buy one more 8gb 2933 stick

[cursive epoch]

jedec doesn't matter how good the ram's dies are

[grizzled bloom]

Or a 16GB stick since it'll probably work too at that speed and do 24GB total

[deep seal]

I I

Wait you can do that

[dull flint]

Wait no it is a samsung stick

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah you can mix, it's not ideal but totally doable

[deep seal]

In ITE they said not to dhtat

[dull flint]

Lol hynix rebranded samsung

[cursive epoch]

i run mixed ram on laptops

[dull flint]

Yes don't do it for a desktop

[cursive epoch]

everything works fine

[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/bTS0ybQ3lCI

[deep seal]

So a 16gb ans a 8gb completely ok

[dull flint]

Hold up guys

[grizzled bloom]

I've run a 2GB with a 1GB, and a 4GB with a 2GB before too

[deep seal]

I know speeds gotta be same

[cursive epoch]

now i wouldn't mix capacity due to performance reasons

[dull flint]

Don't do it for a desktop cos you get mixed speeds coming together, but on laptops, it's all stock speed so they'll all run identically just about

It really doesn't matter in a laptop unless you decide to overclock the ram in said laptop, be it xmp or manually however you do so

[deep seal]

Alright so, I'll keep this stick, add a new 2933 16gb stick so I'll have 24gb and it'll run fine

[dull flint]

Ye

You can do that

[cursive epoch]

you can but it's not exactly optimal for maximum performance ngl

since you run both single and dual channel

[grizzled bloom]

It would run at dual channel on half of the larger stick still, and only the 8GB at the end of the memory address would run at single channel. It'll really only use that slower speed when the rest is full.

[cursive epoch]

ye ofc

but once you go over the amount possible for dual

[deep seal]

Fk

I haven't had to think about this stuff in awhile

[cursive epoch]

it works just has a potential of harming perf

[deep seal]

Like how much degradation

[dull flint]

You could sell the 8gb stick and get 2x16 if you're worried about it

I wouldn't

[deep seal]

Worse then a single stick of 8gb

[dull flint]

Nope

[cursive epoch]

mo

no*

it'll run a lot better

[deep seal]

Or like not as good as 16gb two dtick

[dull flint]

Far better than single stick

[cursive epoch]

just not as good as running two 16gb that's all