cpus-mobo-and-memory

[upper aspen]

LTT shows its a bit faster than 7950x3D but the 13900KS is not on this graph

[cursive epoch]

On average it's better

Nah, it's to do with agesa

Not board quality related

So you don't have to get expensive boards

Just B650 is pretty decent

Watch for vsoc and you're safe really

[upper aspen]

x670 godlike time?

[cursive epoch]

Almost all am5 boards are pretty overbuilt

An average B650 could take 7950x3d at full tilt and more

[sudden creek]

Way overkill. Only buy for the flash or extreme OC.

[upper aspen]

well im planning on getting a 7800x3d (best gaming CPU) so no OC right?

[royal elk]

You can't oc x3d chips

Do not buy a godlike for the love of God 😭

[upper aspen]

but wut if i do

hmmmmm

[royal elk]

Well then you'd be pretty stupid

If we're being serious

Lmao

[upper aspen]

that is true

i prob will not get a godlike

[grizzled bloom]

Not in the traditional sense but you can get a ~5% overclock using bclk on a board with an external clock gen, but it's not worth that

[sudden creek]

BCLK oc on AM5 can be done externally without screwing up SSDs?

[grizzled bloom]

If you have an external clock gen to isolate the CPU/memory from the rest of the system

They are NOT cheap

[upper aspen]

what boards have these

or is it something seperate

[sudden creek]

....... Okay I gotta ask.

Are you asking because your curious or asking because you actually want to spend like 5-6x more money just for a mere 5% boost in perf IF EVEN 5%.

[upper aspen]

im just curius. Im capping my graduation PC build at around 5k

7800x3d, 4090, and the large oled fro asus

dont worry I am not buying a hof

[sudden creek]

Unless your serious about overclocking I'd just step away from boards like the G0dlike and such. Any B650 will work or if you want the extra features without paying a 4x premium just go with a reasonable X670.

Like a Tomahawk-Aorus Master range.

[upper aspen]

kk cool

[sudden creek]

And to be clear, when I mean serious overclocking I mean the type that requires LN2 and or weeks of patience tuning every thing.

I've spent around a month and a half tuning my system and I would not consider myself a "serious overclocker".

[upper aspen]

Im just like weee slider ++++++ no crash pls thx babes

[sudden creek]

That made no sense to me....

[upper aspen]

WEEEE slide the mhz slider higher and hope it doest crash

[sudden creek]

Okay yeah no. Absolutely not recommending G0dlike then.

[grizzled bloom]

Cheapest one I know of is the MEG X670E ACE which is $700

[sudden creek]

Just get a B650 or if you really want the extra pasazz + couple extra features get a X670 but nothing over $500. Aorus Master is where I'd recommend capping out at.

Anything beyond that is for Serious Overclocking IMO.

[grizzled bloom]

Oh wait the B650E Taichi has a clock gen too, $370

[sudden creek]

Seriously?

[grizzled bloom]

It's an E-ATX mobo so you need the proper case for it

[sudden creek]

Fractal Torrent power go vroom.

[grizzled bloom]

Actually the torrent would be a bad option

[upper aspen]

im prob gonna get a meshify

[grizzled bloom]

The board would hang over the rubber grommets where the cables come out

An O11D variant would be good since the cables come out at a 90 degree angle

[ionic beacon]

@grizzled bloom hey hey, just an update for ya. I took out old cmos battery replaced with new. Bios of board was way out of date. Updating drivers and such preparing for new bios install. I cannot find any thumb drives, gotta order or guy buy 1 to do the bios update.

I guess the thumb drives got lost or trashed in my move a few months ago

[rigid oracle]

I went Aorus Master, very pleased. Expo works smoothly which I'm guessing Mr.Woof will be using

[cursive epoch]

Aorus master isn't very cheap tbh

[sudden creek]

I know. Paying the extra $ for the looks but also because I like to overclock a lot so not being board limited would be nice.

[cursive epoch]

Board limit isn't a thing on am5

Unless you're going like $80 A620

[sudden creek]

Oh nice. Tbh I don't really care about expo since I am gonna manually tune everything.

[sudden creek]

Just did some research and it seems Minecraft is still mostly single threaded so having a higher boost clock/higher single thread perf would be more beneficial then more cores.

Apparently in 1.14 is when they started making the game less single threaded but still can only use about 3 cores at most with most of the load being put on one core.

[long geyser]

Use fabric perf mods, it helps a lot.

[sudden creek]

Looking for use in a server.

Also I use Forge.

So I just looked it up and the 5950x vs 10900K have very similar single-thread performance making the 10900k a better buy for me.

10900K vs 5950x, vs 11900K;

• 11900K 1st place
• 5950x 2nd place (by a few points)
• 10900k 3rd

This is based off CPU agent.

https://www.cpuagent.com/cpu/intel-core-i9-10900k/benchmarks/passmark-cpu-single-mark/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti?res=1&quality=ultra

Damn 13900K's single thread perf is insane.

[long geyser]

Perf mod list: https://github.com/TheUsefulLists/UsefulMods
JVM Flag Optimization (mainly GC optimization): https://github.com/brucethemoose/Minecraft-Performance-Flags-Benchmarks

[sudden creek]

Does JVM Flag Optimization work with Magma?

[long geyser]

Yes

[sudden creek]

Aight will check that out more in detail later.

[grizzled bloom]

This is cool, BZ was able to get a visual of basically a WHEA error
https://youtu.be/Ft7ss7EXr4s

[sudden creek]

What is considered a good price for a used 11900KF?

[grizzled bloom]

The 11900k loses to the 10900k, it only has an advantage with memory speed

[sudden creek]

Was poking around Ebay and came across a guy that's offering his 11900KF at $260 or best offer.

[sudden creek]

What about single thread perf?

[sudden creek]

Was looking into MC earlier and found out it's still vastly single-threaded with the exception of running some of the lighter stuff on 1-2 other cores causing it to only be able to utilize at most around 2-3 cores.

[grizzled bloom]

Every single major channel called the 11900k the worst CPU Intel has released in the last decade

It's an 11700k with a mild overclock

And even that was bad

The ryzen 5600 beats the 11900k in minecraft

[sudden creek]

seriously?

[sudden creek]

Gotcha will keep my eye out for the 10900k then.

[sudden creek]

What about single thread perf?

[grizzled bloom]

That's gaming loads

[sudden creek]

Because the server is being used to run mostly mc servers, that's my main concern.

[grizzled bloom]

Games are mostly single threaded

[sudden creek]

As much as MC?

Thought games can utilize around 6 cores nowadays?

[grizzled bloom]

Very few do

And even those that do, don't use all of those 6 cores. They'll have 1 or 2 main threads, usually 1, and the rest is for audio and stuff.

[sudden creek]

Oh so like MC.

[grizzled bloom]

Yes. MC isn't special in any way.

[sudden creek]

Thought MC was infamous for how heavily single threaded it is.

[grizzled bloom]

No more than a multiplayer shooter would be

[sudden creek]

Any issues with running a 10900K on a B460M Asus Tuf?

[grizzled bloom]

You wouldn't be able to use XMP or overclock memory

B560 can

[sudden creek]

That is the unfortunate thing indeed.

[sudden creek]

I am pretty sure I was able to use XMP?

Just couldn't oc, or anything else.

[grizzled bloom]

It'll cap out at 3000

[sudden creek]

That part yes.

But aside from the ram, any other issues?

[grizzled bloom]

Most B460 can't handle the power of a 10900k so it might throttle unless it's a good board

[sudden creek]

throttle?

Vrm issue or like actually board pcb limited?

[grizzled bloom]

You'd see the VRM temp hit 110C and then the clocks would drop hard

B460 was before they started doing overkill VRM like they do now

[sudden creek]

oh I see.

So if I upgrade to a 10900K I should also get a better board for it.

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on which board

[grizzled bloom]

There's 3 boards matching this name

Pro, plus, wifi 6?

[sudden creek]

Asus Tuf B460M AC Plus

it has wifi.

[grizzled bloom]

6 power stages

Let me see if I can find out the amperage on them

60A at best

40A at worst

That's technically enough but it'll get very toasty. It would run past the most efficient point where heat isn't an issue.

[sudden creek]

hmmmm

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah full load the 10900k can hit 300W

Which if you did get the 40A power stages means it would shut down from overpower state

[sudden creek]

ooof. Though I doubt I'd see the 10900K at full load anytime soon.

[storm mica]

Does anyone here have any experience with DDR5 Tforce ram sticks not working but the rgb on them working?

[grizzled bloom]

Try reseating them, and make sure they're in slots 2 and 4 counting from the CPU

[storm mica]

I have already tried that

[grizzled bloom]

Cleared CMOS?

[storm mica]

The one in B2 was being recognized but A2 was not I swapped them and then A2 was showing up but not B2 I tried them in A1 and B1 but it wouldn’t post in those positions

I have not tried clearing cmos yet still learning this motherboard I just got this system running a few days ago

[grizzled bloom]

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[grizzled bloom]

If that still doesn't work, try just the stick that isn't showing up. It could be a bad stick.

[storm mica]

I think this board has a clear cmos button I’ll have to see but I’ll try that

[storm mica]

Ok it does have a button to clear it do I press it while it’s on or off?

[grizzled bloom]

Off, while it's plugged in still

[storm mica]

Ok got it thanks

[rigid oracle]

Common thing on the AM5/DDR5 builds.. Everytime you flash your BIOS you'll need to repeat that especially if you're using EXPO.

[lyric turret]

My brother has the AsRock 450m/AC mobo and I’m wondering if I need to update the BIOS on it, the version he has rn is 10.0.19045 Build 19045

[warped scroll]

no need to update bios if the current version is working fine. You can also always find the newest version on ASRock's website

Also, I never really ask for help, but I have a customer build in the shop right now. It's a Ryzen 7950X on an Asus X670E-Plus Wifi (also tried on a Gigabyte B650 Aorus Pro X) with Corsair vengeance RGB DDR5 memory. I keep getting no display and the DRAM led on the motherboard lights up. Tried different mobos obviously and tried switching around all 4 sticks of ram and tried with only one or two sticks installed with no luck. Clearing CMOS right now but are there any more things I could try to find out what's happening?

[grizzled bloom]

Check for bent pins on the motherboard

[warped scroll]

Pins are a-ok

[grizzled bloom]

Try again after re-seating the cooler, sometimes uneven pressure will make memory drop out

[warped scroll]

Ok. I’ve tried it without the cooler too, does that affect anything

[grizzled bloom]

It would overheat pretty fast, which would kind of affect things lol

[hollow thorn]

Could be the recent Asus thing

[grizzled bloom]

That's true

But it's not just an Asus thing lol

[grizzled bloom]

Inspect the bottom of the CPU. Look for any bulges or discoloration. There's an issue going around where Ryzen 7000 chips are literally exploding and catching fire.

[warped scroll]

yes i know of that but I tested on the gigabyte board first and same thing happend

[hollow thorn]

If nothing else, you'll prob be able to get Asus warranty to cover it with just the info so far

[warped scroll]

i actually think theres some discoloration on the bottom, hold pls

[grizzled bloom]

Right if the CPU is dead then it'll be dead on multiple boards

[warped scroll]

meh no discoloration

There are these spots though. Really hard to see

[grizzled bloom]

If the CPU isn't working in multiple motherboards then I'd call it dead

And it would be time to RMA to AMD

(And possibly asus, check with another cpu on the asus board if possible)

[warped scroll]

I think I agree. I didn't think the CPU would be dead especially because it doesn't have pins on it like the old ones so harder to break

i don't have any other CPU to test unfortunately. If i had other parts to test this would be a breeze

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe contact asus once AMD approves the RMA and see if they'll swap the board without question. They did say they're prioritizing the issue and offering free premium level service.

[honest rivet]

Any techs in here have question

[burnt spear]

Ask away

[storm mica]

Well I cleared cmos tried with just the 1 stick and I’m getting nothing from it so I think that stick went bad how unfortunate

[elder bough]

any techs in here i have a problem

[grizzled bloom]

Describe the problem

[elder bough]

Have had pc running smoothly for 3 years with 16gb ram no problem. Most games i played would crash in like 5-10 minutes of me playing. I’ve been searching for a fix all over the internet but none were helpful.

Then, just a few days ago i came up with the brilliant idea to update my MOBO bios (b450m d3sh) which i never did ever since building my pc (2020). Now my games don’t crash but my pc is only detecting 8gb of ram making some games unplayable.

Somehow, updating my bios made only 8gb of ram useable and detectable.

I don’t know how to fix

[grizzled bloom]

Clear your cmos and try switching the slots the sticks are in. Make sure they're fully seated in slots 2 and 4 counting from the CPU.

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[grizzled bloom]

It's possible that one stick was slightly loose or just bad from the start, and the newer bios was able to recognize that

[elder bough]

Ok. Will get back to you. Thanks

[sudden creek]

Is 50c max good for VRM MOSFETs after running 3 rounds of r23?

[limber dragon]

depends on a lot of things really: cpu, mobo, power draw of r23, if there's a heatsink on them or not

[sudden creek]

5700G, B550M DS3H, 90W, most of the vrms don't have a heatsink.

[split copper]

Rip

[limber dragon]

that's fine then

[royal elk]

Yeah, 5700g isn't gonna pull much

[limber dragon]

the top vrms on it are for soc, and given you have a dgpu, the igpu isnt going to be using much

[royal elk]

Unless you're me making it do 140w 🗿

[split copper]

Vroom

[royal elk]

Yeah I tortured that 5700g

I wonder how it's doing now

Off to a better home I assume

[sudden creek]

I have the PTT limit set to 300 though the cpu only draws about 90 tops.

[sudden creek]

iGPU is disabled for better ram tunes.

What kind of heatsinks would work on DDR4?

[dull flint]

Any heatsink that can cover the memory chips really

There are a few options out there

You have ripjaws on yours tho, those are good *enough, I wouldn't change them

[sudden creek]

I keep hearing such mixed things. Some people call it amongst the worst heatsinks and others say it's pretty good....

Which do I believe....

[dull flint]

I mean

How insane are you going to go with ram OC

Iirc these are hynix

[sudden creek]

S8D are my current sticks and I am considering getting some S8B for oc fun.

[sudden creek]

Would you call me insane for pushing 1.6v through S8D?

[dull flint]

Mmm...not really with a fan

[sudden creek]

?

Confused.

[dull flint]

With a fan over them you're probably fine

[sudden creek]

180mm fan blowing directly onto em.

[dull flint]

That's above not over

Like, right in the face of them

Intruding on the aesthetics

[sudden creek]

Oh. Mhmm haven't tried that though I ran a few rounds of TM5 and the ram was only slightly above room temp.

Touched the ram and felt pretty cool.

[dull flint]

You're likely fine then

[limber dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1090329261426081822/1107721512246591586/20230410_230527.jpg this is what Felix means by directly on them

[sudden creek]

The fan is blowing air down the sides of the ram with some pretty decent pressure based off of what I could feel.

[sudden creek]

what is this monstrocity.

[limber dragon]

you may not like this, but this is what peak performance looks like

its uhhhh

[sudden creek]

LTT $100,000 pc xD.

I understand what's going on.

Was just shocked by the amount of stuff going on.

[limber dragon]

13900k, z790 apex, 4090 suprimx, 8200c36 (or 38, I dont remember) with custom bartx heatsinks

[dull flint]

Artistic example of a visual aid

[sudden creek]

You got 8200c36 stable?

[dull flint]

This isn't about my drawing ok

[sudden creek]

I know what you mean. I suppose I could look into a overhead fan.

[limber dragon]

its 36 or 38, I dont remember which, I know its not 40 and not 34, and yes 8200

[sudden creek]

Though if I do that I ma need a fan hub.

[dull flint]

36 or 38 either way 8200 is quite good

[sudden creek]

Agreed.

[limber dragon]

without fan, I'll crash after a half hour of bf2042

and next paycheck is going towards the 24gbit goodgood

[royal elk]

This is beautiful

[dull flint]

Should we hang it on the fridge in the Louvre?

[royal elk]

Yes we shall

[dull flint]

Van Gogh would be proud||ly cringing||

[sudden creek]

https://www.moddiy.com/products/Heatpipe-Aluminium-Buckle-Fin-Tech-RAM-Heatsink.html?srsltid=AR57-fCno49eyIPlNuBB7ZqhdBG6Hv6WHI0RocVK3I2zcVehah11DjKWiF8

this is cool

https://www.ebay.com/itm/193622896089?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&srsltid=AR57-fCmdXrEnwXIvfrdLhW6l96gny7bPjqvXD0vE0cNa7OOWD_INxkLbG0
lmao this is hillarious looking

[amber canopy]

At that price I'd rather just buy EK Monarchs

2 are like 33 or 36 iirc

Those are cool though. Better for ambient compared to Monarchs I'd imagine

[sudden creek]

which ones?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192872923496?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&srsltid=AR57-fDlGtaMYnHX0a3JauAwqFaBGN9mY4Qg0p0Q1bH97FBNyYFFQaaXRBg

just found these.... Cool looking but super expensive.

4 heatsinks is $140 total.

[amber canopy]

EK Monarch ram heatsinks

[sudden creek]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/402134610832?hash=item5da1173390:g:qpcAAOSwoAlfhLUG&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4De%2BLG%2FHzs7HwZb6cOnAhUvFveYECsXo5SAAG8QAOHP1UsQ%2Frh7RSXDmty0LNrkdcMrBLOiS84MyFHrDb6tjrzGFJwUIjSAWNw5zJBGFSfg4Wa0CcfqHGfmKBkSOYfptOOy%2FdsmDHUWJsyRADOXl%2Fi9Oj%2F8pFt%2BYsaD2hlHE1htDW2KnIl29uyXxt9zp0LFrIwaVDAwfIYFmyHhFWXvUxpmQudfwEW0YPwuH7y25siH3RXk0pe%2FCveNRFYP%2FQCJaovH9kjIVg9XEGMBDH9UtvrwboddmP1Y97t9b2dbUcd3Z|tkp%3ABFBMnoavqYli

these?

[dull flint]

Mhm

[amber canopy]

They're cheaper on performancepcs

[limber dragon]

subs are mainly auto, too lazy to tune them

[sudden creek]

Seems a 7950x is about 30% faster than the 5950x paired with a 4090.

I wonder how big that gap will be once 8950x is out.

[grizzled bloom]

Another 15% over the 7950X

[sudden creek]

So roughly 60% faster compared to a 5950x?

[grizzled bloom]

Based on IPC alone at least

That's not how math works

Take an easy number, like 100, and make it represent the 5950X
Then 130 would be the 7950X
15% more than 130 is 149.5

[sudden creek]

But if the 7950x is faster than the 5950x wouldn't the % be higher when comparing 8950x to 5950x?

[grizzled bloom]

It is higher

[sudden creek]

Not what I mean.

[grizzled bloom]

49.5% is more than 30%

[sudden creek]

15% over the 7950x is a higher % gain due to IPC gains being larger compared the to the 7950x over 5950x ipc % gain.

[grizzled bloom]

I have no idea what you're trying to say

[sudden creek]

In anycase 50% gain is still a big jump.

[grizzled bloom]

Yes 50% in 2 gens is massive

[sudden creek]

Do we know when 8000 series is expected to release?

[grizzled bloom]

Early next year

Q1 so Jan-Mar

Too far away for anything closer to be said

[sudden creek]

I see.

Is Nvidia's 50 series turning out to be pretty good so far?

[grizzled bloom]

There's not a lot of info on the 50 series yet

It's still very far away though

[sudden creek]

I wonder if it's gonna be another big jump.

Like 40% faster compared to 4090 or something.

[grizzled bloom]

The issue I have is that it's not so much that the jump was big, they just slammed as much power into their normal die as they could

Watt for Watt it's not that impressive

More like 20%

[sudden creek]

Oh, I thought they also had large ipc gains.

[grizzled bloom]

No a lot of the gains are from 3GHz clock speeds lol

[sudden creek]

Fair.

6GHz gpu when?

[royal elk]

Now?

[sudden creek]

where!

[royal elk]

OH GPU LMAO

[grizzled bloom]

Yea lol

[sudden creek]

Yeah xD. CPU we already got.

[grizzled bloom]

3412 appears to be the best GPU frequency so far. Held by none other than wegg's own Seby. https://hwbot.org/submission/4897098_seby9123_gpu_reference_frequency_radeon_rx_6900_xt_3412_mhz

[royal elk]

Sebys the goat fr

[sudden creek]

Just found a 5950x for $250 if he can ship to MX I may be buying a 5950x in a week.

[grizzled bloom]

I did find this on the 3dmark charts though https://www.3dmark.com/fs/28758926

100k graphics score, 3540MHz 💀

His CPU was probably getting clock stretching though, that's way too high

So he lost to others at lower clocks

[royal elk]

Damn only 50 more than I paid for my 5900x

[sudden creek]

Yeah, it's super tempting.

[dull flint]

Idk about running a 5950x on a ds3h tho...

[grizzled bloom]

It's all been said before

Adding a VRM fan is part of the plan

[sudden creek]

I got a 180mm fan blowing down on them with a setting that ramps the fan up like crazy if the vrms start getting warm.

[tranquil wolf]

roommate is looking to replace an Asus Prime Z690 P D4, not looking to spend $300 but anyone have any suggestions?

he does some minor CPU OC also

[cursive epoch]

asrock z690 pro rs

they go for like 130-150 these days

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162039

130 rn on newegg

[tranquil wolf]

thanks i will have him check them out

[safe barn]

bro i want yo help a bit

[cursive epoch]

that's a very old message from someone who isn't around anymore, they wouldn't reply

but what do you need help with?

[elder bough]

So I got it to work by switching the ram sticks

Putting the stick that was in slot 2 to 4 and switching slot 4 to 2 and firmly pressed it down and it worked. Thanks

[pure cloud]

cens got 3825mhz a couple weeks ago: https://twitter.com/CENSXOC/status/1655961624660922368

CENS (@CENSXOC)

First to break the 3800MHz barrier in 3D🔥

Colorful Geforce 𝟒𝟎𝟗𝟎 𝐢𝐆𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐋𝐀𝐁 #1

🥇Unigine Superposition 8K - 18701

3825 | 1588 MHz

@iGameColorful @NVIDIAGeForce @GeForce_JacobF @VideoCardz @3DCenter_org

Twitter · May 9, 2023, 3:43 PM

hwbot dropped gpu reference frequency as a bench awhile back (so, it's still there, but i don't think you can sub it anymore), so there aren't going to be higher scores coming in

seby's was probably around the last submissions before they got rid of it

[grizzled bloom]

Ah I see

[oak sand]

Is 3d vcache useful in emulation? I have a friend who wants to start emulating on PC and has a budget perfect to fit in a 5800X3D, but I'm not certain how useful it can be

[grizzled bloom]

No it's not

R7 7700X would be a better option, AVX-512 is nice in some emulators

[oak sand]

I figured. Don't see how it would be even with my limited understanding

[late atlas]

Hey all, I apologize if this isnt the right chat, I'm looking to buy a new build and wondering if going the AM5 chipset Mobo with DDR5 is the way to go for futureproofing? Want this build to last awhile, heard that DDR5 is slower latency wise? I will be using this computer for 3D/Gaming. Any help would be appreciated 🙂

[burnt spear]

Depends on budget

[late atlas]

@burnt spear Budget out of the question, AM5 the way to go? I'm curious what will last me longer and it may be a dumb question but idk

[reef iris]

Anyone have any input between an X570 Crosshair VIII (any variant) and an X570S Carbon Max if they were around the same price?

My system runs fine, I just want a new board and am gonna throw this b450 in a small project

[strange anvil]

Okay I’m building another Gaming PC to take off to college with me. I’ve got a spare 2070 Super and I’m probably doing the Ryzen 5 5600. What budget mobo should I do

[dull flint]

Tuf gaming a520m wifi

Can handle a 5950X so it's actually a goated $99 board lmao

[strange anvil]

I want an ATX Mobo

I’m gonna be building inside an O-11 most likely so I want to take up as much space as possible

whats funny is that this PC will be worse than my main but I’m building it like my dream PC 💀

bc three years ago I basically only paid for half of my system and my parents the other half

Now it’s all mine

So I can get whatever I want but I wanna stay in the $800 range since I already have a 2070 Super

[dull flint]

The a520m is basically the only motherboard I'd bother with on am4

[strange anvil]

i’ve got a x570 gaming edge wifi in my main

I will never buy msi again

[dull flint]

That would work tho lol

Wait if you're off to college, why o11

Those things are huge

[strange anvil]

true I was also looking at a plain black corsair but I would just do a black and white build with that

honestly would be better since it’s cheaper

[dull flint]

Just move your current build into like an o11 mini/mini air and use the a520m

If you want a board change

Tho I'd consider AM5 since you already have a perfectly capable am4

(as much as it mightn't be appreciated)

Air mini has itx, matx and atx configs that change the case to fit the board

Or do something much smaller like a D41/D40 Jonsbo

D30 even

[strange anvil]

rn I have nzxt h510 elite case

So yeah that would honestly work

my 4070 barely fits inside of it

[chilly narwhal]

I want to make a good choice tell me if I'm right------------https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-13600k-core-i5-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118416?Item=N82E16819118416

Intel Core i5-13600K - Core i5 13th Gen Raptor Lake 14-Core (6P+8E) 3.5 GHz LGA 1700 125W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Desktop Processor - BX8071513600K
Options: i5-13600K

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119635?Item=N82E16813119635

ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-H Gaming (WiFi 6E) LGA 1700(Intel12th&13th Gen) ATX gaming motherboard(DDR5 up to 7800 MT/s, PCIe 5.0 x16 SafeSlot with Q-Release, 4xPCIe 4.0 M.2 slots,USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 Type-C)
CPU Socket Type: LGA 1700

I want to make a good choice tell me if I'm right

?

[vast meadow]

Honestly a terrible choice, it's overpriced by like 100$ all you're paying for is the strix name

[chilly narwhal]

bt the processor is good

[vast meadow]

Ye

[dull flint]

Get a cheap z690 asrock like a pro rs

Basically the same experience

[chilly narwhal]

ok

[dull flint]

I can't remember what the cheapest ddr5 mobo is one second

[chilly narwhal]

k

i like Asus

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yNDjfv

Do this

[vast meadow]

I'd grab this instead personally
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k7mmP6/msi-pro-z790-p-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z790-p-wifi

[dull flint]

Or this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tGmmP6/asrock-b760m-pg-riptide-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760m-pg-riptide

[dull flint]

Oos

Otherwise yes for 150 that would be great

[vast meadow]

No i mean the 200$ price

[dull flint]

Tuf z690 180 doe

[vast meadow]

@dull flint the tuf has no bios flash

[dull flint]

You're joking

Tell me you're joking

Wtf

Why Asus

Even Asrock has it for cheaper

[chilly narwhal]

ok

[dull flint]

[chilly narwhal]

im used asus for a long time

[dull flint]

Don't get the tuf z690

[chilly narwhal]

ok

[dull flint]

They don't have a basic feature that should be expected at this point, so it won't work

The asrock b760m pg riptide or if you plan to overclock get the msi z790-p

[chilly narwhal]

https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll300/13-119-635-02.png that wy i like this mobo

[dull flint]

$300 mobos aren't worth it

[chilly narwhal]

or a good z690

[dull flint]

That mobo is basically a rebadged $150 board marked up 2x for aesthetics

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k7mmP6/msi-pro-z790-p-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z790-p-wifi

Better built board overall

It may look more barebones but that's cos where it counts it's better

[chilly narwhal]

ok Thanks for your time, I'll keep it in mind, but if it's good, I like it.

[dull flint]

Ok

[vast meadow]

Cuz asus dumb

[chilly narwhal]

I have to update the BIOS before everything

[vast meadow]

Nope not on the z790

[chilly narwhal]

k

[vast meadow]

Also yeah there's very little difference

And model matters way way more than brand

[chilly narwhal]

so nop the z790

[dull flint]

Yeah that's a nope for z790

[chilly narwhal]

https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImage/13-144-569-15.jpg i take this

t/y for iu time

[dull flint]

That's a really good one

Hope the price is decent. Have fun

[sudden creek]

Is there a way I can dedicated a few of my cores to run a server in the background on my pc?

[royal elk]

Well yes and no

[sudden creek]

?

[royal elk]

You can make software use only certain cores but I dont you can prevent windows from using them

[sudden creek]

So if I run a game it will also use the cores allocated to the server?

[chilly narwhal]

ok,thanks.

[royal elk]

As far as I know yes

Unless there's another way

[sudden creek]

Ahh I see.

Can I run a MC server as a background process?

That's my main question.

also would this require an extra SSD?

[vast meadow]

It's two hunnid

[dull flint]

Epicc

I approve then

[cyan raft]

Asrock Taichi Z790 doesn’t have it I’m pretty sure

[dull flint]

Z790 doesn't need it

But pretty much every asrock z690 does have it

Gigachad asrock

[cyan raft]

Oh right forgot this isn’t like AM4

[vast meadow]

Every lga1700 board from gigabyte has it, even chadder

[dull flint]

I'll chad u in a minute

[vast meadow]

Bet

[karmic perch]

Is intel next gen CPU still using LGA 1700??

[grizzled bloom]

Rumors say yes

[cursive epoch]

We don't know yet

[royal elk]

Yes raptor refresh

Maybe

[cursive epoch]

Knowing Intel even if it's a refresh new socket is possible

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/salt-bae-sprinkling-salt-gif-7535412

[cursive epoch]

If not then we're good for one more gen

[grizzled bloom]

Lots of salt to take with that grain

[cursive epoch]

lol

[grizzled bloom]

Possible yes. I feel like this was a last minute rushed decision after MTL didn't go how they planned so they'll probably do the minimum effort on RPL to focus most of their resources on MTL.

[cursive epoch]

yep

[sudden creek]

Out of curiosity is AMD's 7950x3D overclockable?

[vast meadow]

Pretty sure they allow it now but wouldn't do that til the x3d chips dying rolls over

[sudden creek]

I see, I see. I am most likely gonna wait out till 8000 series. Currently just trying to put together my dream build and see how much I'd need to save up for it so when 8000 series and rtx 5090 is out I will be ready.

[vast meadow]

Hate to break it to you but you're usually better off getting like a 1.5kish build now and upgrade in 2-3 years and spend roughly the same and end up with not as good perf at first, then getting better and spending a lot less

[clever mango]

My friend is having boot loop problems because of secure boot. He tried clearing cmos. Any ideas?

[past rain]

Does a 9900k n kf have no difference in processing power besides 1 having graphics on it

Or is the k stronger then the kf

[grizzled bloom]

Only using PBO and CO. Main voltage and core multiplier are still locked. (Mostly)

[cursive epoch]

KF simply means igpu disabled, so there's no difference in perf at all

Are you buying a 9900K now? If so I would advise against it honestly. There's many current cpus that beats it by a mile

[dull flint]

12400 beats it 💀

[past rain]

Well there's a person selling a kf for 200

[dull flint]

Yeah 200 is not worth it for that

[past rain]

N im. Not trying to switch MB

[cursive epoch]

What's your current board?

And current cpu

[past rain]

If I was to get a more up to date cpu I would build a whole new pc

Super old

[dull flint]

The board matters tho

[cursive epoch]

^

[past rain]

Rog maximus code X z370

I think

[dull flint]

Ah it's ok then, it can handle it

[cursive epoch]

That's pretty high end board then

[dull flint]

I still would go something newer tho

[past rain]

Intel i5 8400 I think

Jus tryna max it out b4 I go into a 2nd build

[cursive epoch]

Not worth the money honestly

8400 can still do things okay enough

[past rain]

Oh yea its that bad of a waste lol

[dull flint]

You'll prolly be way better off selling the board and cpu then getting a 12400. You can reuse the coolers from older LGA

Net money wise you'd be saving yourself more

9900K's resell for absurd prices

[past rain]

I'm trying to rock a dual pc setup but I kinda don't want to trash my 1st pc build

[dull flint]

9900K just isn't worth it tho

[past rain]

Well facebook has a gurl selling her 9900kf for 200

[dull flint]

It's worth maybe 150

[past rain]

I should offer 150 then

[dull flint]

The i9 tax makes it much worse

[grizzled bloom]

Especially not when the 12400 kills it in every way

[cursive epoch]

Even for $150 it's mediocre deal

[dull flint]

Yeah, 150 is generous

[past rain]

Bcuz more cores n an all the performance

[dull flint]

Nope

[cursive epoch]

Then you will be limited anyway

[grizzled bloom]

But those cores are slower

[past rain]

Bcuz all the newer stuff are 10 cores n up

[dull flint]

9900K is the most over inflated cpu from intel for 2nd hand

[cursive epoch]

12400 has 6 cores but it roasts 9900k's 8 cores

[grizzled bloom]

Cores aren't everything

[dull flint]

12400 beats it in literally everything

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i9-9900K-vs-Intel-i5-12400F/3334vs4681

Both single and multicore are better on the 12400

[past rain]

Well this 1st build that I would be putting the i9 9900kf would be my streaming pc n the 2nd would be my up to date extravagant build

[cursive epoch]

Streaming could use gpu instead of cpu

[dull flint]

Yeah man, but just a little bit extra work and you can save maybe 100$

[grizzled bloom]

Plus the 12400 would allow another upgrade later, 9900k is dead end platform

[dull flint]

That's what we're trying to encourage

[cursive epoch]

Keep your money, and simply go on ahead and build another rig

[dull flint]

And this too. Any half decent board will run the latest i9

[past rain]

But if I built a 2nd rig wouldn't my 1st build be completely worthless

[cursive epoch]

Heck you could even use the 8400's igp to stream

Intel QSV is pretty good

[past rain]

Since it has a i5 n 1060 🤮🤮🤮

[cursive epoch]

Yeah well, 9900k pc with 1060 wouldn't be anymore useful though

[past rain]

Wat about a i9 3080 combo

No or that's jus a absurd not worth it combo my stuff is jus to out dated

[dull flint]

It's not a second rig, it's upgrading this one

Remove the z370, put b660 in

[cursive epoch]

9900K will bottleneck 3080 hard

[grizzled bloom]

You can always reuse or sell the 9600k setup

[dull flint]

Sell imo

It ain't worth much anymore

[cursive epoch]

It's a 8400, but still worth something

[grizzled bloom]

I like using old stuff for a Plex server

[past rain]

I doubt I would be able to sell it

[dull flint]

You would

[grizzled bloom]

You'd be surprised

[past rain]

My stuff to old

[dull flint]

And you'd get a decent offering

[grizzled bloom]

People still buy first gen Intel

[cursive epoch]

Board+ram+cpu combos still has some decent value in em

Then you get 12400F with B660 and some cheap DDR4 kit and boom

[past rain]

Well I have decent ram 32GB 3600

4 sticks

[grizzled bloom]

Or ddr5 since it's cheap and would upgrade better

[cursive epoch]

That's worth quite a bit

But you can just reuse the ram tbh

[past rain]

So wat if I combined a 2080 ti from New egg

[cursive epoch]

What's the price on that 2080ti

[grizzled bloom]

If it's anything over $300 it's not worth

[past rain]

Lil over 500

[cursive epoch]

Nope

Don't get that

$500 gets you better gpus

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah the new 7600 can almost match that for $270

[past rain]

Refurbished

[cursive epoch]

Like 6800XT

Brand new too, no refurb

Or a used 3080

[past rain]

My rig I only use for streaming n small small beginner after effects editing

[cursive epoch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zLXkvf

$244 for new board and cpu

You could use existing ram

And your current cooler too

[dull flint]

Jesus no

[grizzled bloom]

Even the stock cooler on the 12400 is fine

[cursive epoch]

Yep

Instead of wasting $200 on 9900K

You could get all this for $244

[past rain]

Lol oh yea

[dull flint]

500 gets you a 6800XT which destroys a 2080ti

[past rain]

So how bout I jus keep my 1st rig as is n build a new rig

[cursive epoch]

If you want even lower, Ryzen 5 5600 is possible Although it's kinda dead end platform

[dull flint]

Not only that but you get money back on selling the old board and cpu, so the difference is actually cheaper for the 12400f

[cursive epoch]

yap

Do you really need a second pc though?

[dull flint]

Would still be faster tho

[cursive epoch]

ye ofc, but the fastest cpu for gamering on am4 is 5800x3d

[dull flint]

It * can * help. Tho dedicated encoders make it very hard to justify these days

[past rain]

Well im jus tryna have a rgb light show in my room lol

[cursive epoch]

Just add parts to your current one then

Upgrade it and stuff

[past rain]

I have alot of stuff connected to my 1st rig

[grizzled bloom]

Second PC for running your stream can be useful if the gaming rig crashes. That way your stream keeps going.

[cursive epoch]

If you really insist on a second rig, we won't stop you

Just please don't get 9900k

[dull flint]

Also encoding on extremes is a big enough justification

Like 4K streaming is second pc territory

[past rain]

Well my 2nd rig would be my high performance gaming rig

But the 1st rig is my streaming rig that I'm trying not to get rid of

[dull flint]

Definitely man, go all in on the other rig, but make the savings here on your first one by following the 12400f plan

[cursive epoch]

You can leave the 1060 on old rig to do the encoding

[dull flint]

You can spend more on the high end rig as a result

[past rain]

Ok

[dull flint]

Heck

Use the savings on the 12400f change to also sell the 1060 and get a 7600

Then you can have a dedicated av1 machine

Or even a380 arc

[grizzled bloom]

1060 is the lowest model to have the newer encoder too iirc

[dull flint]

Av1 changes the streaming game my man

Super clear video on low bitrate

Genuine upgrade

[past rain]

I'm in el paso Texas I doubt I would be able to get anything from here if I was to sell it

[cursive epoch]

You definitely could

[dull flint]

r/HardwareSwap would tell you otherwise

[cyan raft]

If I can sell parts for decent money in Troy, NY. You’ll be fine

[cursive epoch]

The internet exists for a reason lel

Everyone can see stuff you post

Especially in something dedicated to buying/selling like HWS subreddit

[past rain]

I gotta go get reddit

[cursive epoch]

Board+cpu could honestly get you like $200+ lol

You got a high end board, people will want it even for a not good price

$200 isn't too hard of a sell board alone

[past rain]

Ok ill try n sell it in a month wen I get back from a move

[dull flint]

[past rain]

I'll try n sell it all separate

[dull flint]

Yeah that'll probably be the play

[past rain]

MB
CPU
GPU

but ill keep my case ram n sell my storage

So that hardware swap place is a good place to get buyers

[dull flint]

Ye it is

You can prolly keep the storage too tbh, it's very cheap to get something really good these days

[past rain]

Oops

Yea I went with 2 junk 1s cuz I didn't know any better

[dull flint]

They're probably just fine for normal stuff or cold storage

Then you can grab a 2TB P41 solidigm for $75 and just be stacked

1tb like $40

Ez gains

[cursive epoch]

Or even cheaper, mp33

2tb one are like dummy cheap

Altho p41 solidigm is speedy

[past rain]

Yea I have to go look again its 500gb hhd n ssd

But I have to get that nvme 1 heard it's super fast

[cursive epoch]

Both drives I and Felix mentioned are lots faster than your current storage

[dull flint]

Pretty much

But the old storage will be useful for cold/swap storage

[cursive epoch]

yap

[past rain]

Ok 👍🏽

Ty

I know it gets redundant answering my questions but thanks for not tearing me a new 1

[dull flint]

It's all good

[dull flint]

Pc community do be like that

But we cool here

I've seen enough that it takes a lot to truly surprise me these days

[long geyser]

1050 - TitanXP/Volta/1630/1650 are NVENC Encode v6, 1650 (yeah Nvidia is weird with bunch of baseline 1650 cards) - 3090Ti are NVENC Encode v7.

[zealous notch]

do think it is ok to buy a r7 5800x3d on a second hand market

for cheaper

[grizzled bloom]

Sure, just make sure they have a picture of the pins and you can see none are bent

[mild jackal]

1050 ti I thought. 1050 is similar, but half the size? I forget

[grizzled bloom]

Could be. Maybe I was thinking the 1060 was the lowest worth considering.

[long geyser]

@mild jackal @grizzled bloom baseline 1050 https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new

[fleet cypress]

This computer build is getting more and more expensive just to diagnose my issue -_-

[frosty depot]

How is it getting expensive?

[fleet cypress]

Having to buy new components because the original build wasn't working as is. I had a cpu overheating error that popped up after my computer hard crashed on a game it really shouldn't have. I know for a fact that my computer is more than capable of running said game, yet this has been happening for a little while now as I have been doing my best to diagnose the issue. Everything in my new pc is new except for the graphics card, and psu. Graphics card is an rtx 2060 and the psu is a 750w.

[frosty depot]

Did you ever repaste the CPU and remount the cooler?

What CPU/cooler do you have?

[fleet cypress]

I did, I was using the stock amd cooler for the ryzen 5 5600x. I went and got a water cooler because of this overheating in the first place (Yes, I did reseat my cpu cooler and re thermal pasted it before I bought the water cooler) It seemed like the water cooler wasn't working either, so after doing some more testing I thought maybe it's either the mobo, cpu, gpu, or power supply.

Hindsights 20/20 though lol. I bought a new cpu to test to see if my orignally was faulty, but when I took my water brick off, I noticed that stand off's for the cooler looked a little weird. I found out that I didn't screw them in all the same way. after fixing that I was able to better seat the water block to the motherboard. I think at this point my cooler wasn't mounted right because after re testing my game ,which crashed every 30 mins on que, it hasn't crashed yet. I'm going to keep testing more games, but I think that fixed it. I'm surprised I didn't notice this sooner XD.

[dull flint]

@fleet cypress you can check cpu temperatures using HWINFO64

[sudden plume]

I need help trying to figure out on what cpu can fit my motherboard

[grizzled bloom]

What motherboard do you have?

[sudden plume]

Msi Mag z590 tomahawk wifi

[cursive epoch]

You can fit 10-11th gen Intel cpus

[grizzled bloom]

Yep. That model should be good with any CPU from those generations, even the i9.

[naive pendant]

For the MSI MAG x670e, can I have two DDR5 32 Gb 5200 ram sticks and two DDR5 32 Gb 6600 ram sticks? Is there going to be issues with the two different speeds?

[sudden plume]

@cursive epoch so as long as it’s 10 or 11th gen it’s fine?

Ok got it thank you

[cursive epoch]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

There can be potential issues with the mixed speeds, depending on what memory chips each set uses. Besides that possible problem, running 128GB on AM5 has been tricky at best. You'd have the best chances of it running if you buy a 2x64GB set, and sell the 2x32GB.

[dull flint]

Two things.

1. Yes. There will be issues with mixing.
2. 128gb barely runs on AM5 let alone any ddr5 platform. You'll be stuck struggling to even hit 4800

96gb seems to be the most feasible to run for ddr5 rn

If not just stick to 2x32

Or go ddr4 and higher capacity

[grizzled bloom]

Last I heard the 24Gb modules didn't get along with AMD very well. That may be fixed in the latest agesa but idk.

[dull flint]

Ah, see I'm not too sure tbh

I know 24gbit is loved by intel rn

Not to mention it's probably not AMD's focus due to the cpu popcorn that dropped at the same time 💀

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah they run great on 13th gen

[dull flint]

But yeah high capacity and ddr5 just don't mix rn

[naive pendant]

Gotcha

[dull flint]

You get a few exceptions but it just makes more sense for ddr4 if you want 128gb+

[grizzled bloom]

It's only just recently that 4 sticks of DDR5 on Intel runs at all, too

[naive pendant]

So then should I stick with the 5200 2x32 or the 6600 2x32

[dull flint]

One of the other yeah

You won't get 6600 running on am5 but you'll get 6000-6400 working

It'll def be a better kit by far

[grizzled bloom]

If you really need more memory then you don't want a consumer platform anyway

[dull flint]

6600 2x32 is hynix A

Guaranteed bin

Meanwhile 5200 is a lottery

Unless you pick certain kits

6000 would be a pretty surefire bet even if you dial down the 6600 kit to run at 6000

[naive pendant]

Gotcha, so then I’ll stick with the 2x32 6600 and return the 5200

[grizzled bloom]

If you have a legitimate need for 128GB of memory, like for a server or a high end workstation, then the AMD Storm Peak 7000 series Threadrippers come later this year

[naive pendant]

Don’t have that much need

Just bought 5200 not realizing that 6600 would have been the better buy. So I have both ordered and need to return one. I was more so checking which was better and if they were both compatible with the 7950x3d then I wouldn’t return one.

[dull flint]

@naive pendant do you have the two kits

[naive pendant]

Ordered, yes

[dull flint]

Ah ordered

Yeah you can return the 5200 kit then

Unless you can clearly tell when it turns up that it's a good kit of hynix like with G.Skill or Corsair then yeah return it

[grizzled bloom]

You'll probably need to dial in your own memory settings on the 6600 kit, it's uncommon that 6600 works on AM5

[dull flint]

Yup definitely will

6600 is like golden lottery, and that's on 32gb

Just dialling it back to 6000 would work tho

[naive pendant]

Wdym by golden lottery, and how would I dial it back?

[dull flint]

Just an extra 20 seconds in the bios to override it

So when you turn on the xmp, you should be able to manually override the frequency to turn it down to 6000 from 6600 as a separate option

So it runs basically the same

Golden lottery as in like, very few am5 cpus run 6600

Most run 6000

Few go 6200

Much fewer 6400

And a beautiful one does 6600

[grizzled bloom]

There's potentially a second XMP profile as well that does 6000, it's relatively common on good kits

[dull flint]

This is in normal circumstances btw

[naive pendant]

Is there a way to check if the cpu can do 6600

[dull flint]

Uh

If it works it works

If it doesn't it doesn't

💀

You can test a 6600 tune but I'd rather play it safe and turn it down to 6000

Realistically 6600 shouldn't work at all

[grizzled bloom]

Not that there will be any real difference between 6000 and 6600 on a 7950X3D anyway

[dull flint]

6000 is more likely to work very easily

[grizzled bloom]

Especially when gaming

[naive pendant]

True

Just want to make sure that everything works

Or rather, works together

[dull flint]

I'd stay with 6000 then

[naive pendant]

So should I return the 6600 and replace it with 6000?

[dull flint]

If you do a bit of reading you can do 6000 with buildzoid easy timings and it should just straight up work and run faster

Nah

Just manually change the frequency to 6000

Unless you can find a 6000 kit with a huge discount instead and a good xmp I wouldn't bother

/expo

[naive pendant]

What is xmp

[dull flint]

You know how a ram kit says, 6600, 6000 etc

Those are xmp's

They go beyond the basic speeds of the ram spec

[naive pendant]

Gotcha gotcha

[main pulsar]

eXtreme Memory Profile

[naive pendant]

Well, thank you all for helping me with this!!

[dull flint]

We're here if you run into problems later

[cyan raft]

Good luck with a 6600 64Gb XMP, I’ve been struggling my ass off to get something similar to work

[rigid sail]

Hey guys. I have a ROG Strix X470-F Gaming motherboard running a Ryzen 9 5950x cpu and am looking for a CPU fan that is good and also a deal. I also am looking for decent memory so a 64gb kit 2 x 32gb sticks.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[dull flint]

Thermalright peerless assassin 120 se or phantom spirit 120

Even the regular peerless assassin

They're all sub $50 and good enough

[rigid sail]

Ahh that looks good.. Should I go a little higher end? Or is this just right?

Im just upgrading my Ryzen 7 2700 to the 9 5950x..

[dull flint]

Probably fine on just that for a 5950x

Unless you plan to do full on cranked PBO

Then a 360/280 aio might help

Like the $92 EK 280 rgb aio

[rigid sail]

Im trying to keep my case and I think the AIO's arent going to work

[dull flint]

But it's not really gaining much if anything

Yeah well, aio's of significant size are the next step up

Thermalright dual towers are pretty good

[rigid sail]

So out of the 2 you mentioned which is the best of them?

[dull flint]

The cheapest of the 3

Thermalright peerless assassin 120/peerless assassin 120 SE/phantom spirit 120

They're all sub $50

Best price would be $35 if you find it

[rigid sail]

LOL 🙂

So I currently have 2 x 16gb G.Gkill F4-4200C16-16gvk, should I just buy 2 more of these same chips or should I get like upgrade to 3600's and get 4 16s of those? I know it is best to hget it all together in a kit.. Im trying to order tonight 🙂 BTW< I appreciate your help

[dull flint]

Hmm

Well 4x16 definitely won't run that fast

You'll be looking at probably 3800 at most

If lucky

And 3800 tends to be a hole so extra lucky

I think it depends on price tbh

You're not really gonna get the speeds that justify any high end kit with 64gb

[rigid sail]

Should I just stick with 32?

I was thinking upgrading to 64 might help me with some editing I do

[wild cape]

Does someone know of a good video that compares zen 4 and 13th gen

[grizzled bloom]

What kind of comparison are you looking for specifically? High end, low end, gaming, production?

[wild cape]

I'm looking to get higher end

Gaming

[grizzled bloom]

EZ answer is 7800X3D

Best gaming chip that exists right now, unless you only play CS:GO

[wild cape]

I'm looking at star citizen

Is that the best bang for the buck at that level? And what about the blow8ng up the chip and socket

[grizzled bloom]

It's not just the best bang for buck, it's the best period

7800X3D beats the 7950X, 7950X3D, and the 13900k

And the issue has been mitigated with new bios versions

[wild cape]

"Mitigated" So it's not totally fixed...

[grizzled bloom]

Mitigated as in a fix has been issued but some lingering problems exist like bios versions being listed as beta and unsupported, and a few specific boards have been seen to still push vSoC too high. Mostly Gigabyte boards.

[wild cape]

So don't go for gigabyte

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, Asrock, Asus, and MSI have fixed it. Asus was the one saying they wouldn't support the beta bios but they fixed their wording on that recently. I haven't had anyone coming here with dead CPUs recently, and we did get a few before.

Gigabyte may have issued another update since I got my info, it's been a few weeks

[wild cape]

Ok and one more thing how hard would it be to change over my 2×2tb raid 0 configuration?

[grizzled bloom]

Hardware or software raid?

[wild cape]

Umm it was https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1045089/

I'm assuming software

[grizzled bloom]

If it's in bios then it's hardware

[wild cape]

Oh...

I followed that with my 5600x

[grizzled bloom]

In which case you need a X chipset motherboard, the B and A ones don't have hardware raid

[wild cape]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/653699/asus-b650-plus-tuf-gaming-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard

[grizzled bloom]

B650 does not have raid
Once you do have a compatible motherboard it's a simple matter to configure and import the array

[wild cape]

This is what I have rn https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-wifi-ii-model/

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm asus may have just said F the rules and put raid in anyway

[wild cape]

And all I had to do was change a few thing in the bios and download drivers and install them in a specific order like that how to I posted before

[grizzled bloom]

Ah I see what they changed now, B650 does support raid but only level 0 or 1 and not 10

So your raid 0 array will work fine

[wild cape]

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi/

I like this board

So what would have to change to do that.

[grizzled bloom]

It's the same method as you did before, just enable raid in bios and when you reboot enter the raidxpert menu

[wild cape]

So I won't have to reinstall the drivers

[grizzled bloom]

Once there you can point it to the drives in the array and it should figure it out automatically

And yeah if your drivers are installed already you're good there

[wild cape]

Ok so I don't have to select the specific drives in order

[grizzled bloom]

I really do recommend a clean install going from B550 to B650 though, there's weird issues like poor frame rate and low usage that are known to happen

[wild cape]

Dam I just reinstalled

[grizzled bloom]

That was more of a requirement on older arrays, modern ones have tags that the motherboard can read to figure out the order

[wild cape]

So I shoudnt be worried

[grizzled bloom]

Nope it'll be fine

[wild cape]

Ok, thanks for your help!

[shy wyvern]

Will z790 motherboards support 24GB ddr5 dimms?

I was thinking a 2 x 24 6400 cl32 kit

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

AMD doesn't like them but Intel loves them

[shy wyvern]

I was thinking of going up to 2x24 on a z790P MSI board

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen them binned up to 8000, should work nicely

[shy wyvern]

6400 cl32 was my target

Binned high gets expensive fast

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, nothing says you can't push it higher yourself anyway

[graceful terrace]

How big of a difference is there with 18 cas latency compared to 16?

[dull flint]

Depending on the scenario, absolutely nothing to barely anything

[graceful terrace]

Awesome, thanks!

[royal elk]

But but but my ram oc

[cursive epoch]

kek

The list goes on and on

[sudden creek]

YES, FINALLY! The Trident Royal lineup has been confirmed for DDR5!!!

I love the look of those ram sticks.

[amber canopy]

royals are pretty ugly ngl

these look cooler

[sudden creek]

Ehh to each their own. Royals I do admit look ugly in most PCs.

To make Royals look good like the silver ones for example you'd need a metallic silver with gray or black colored setup.

[grizzled bloom]

Latest leaks on Intel 14th/15th gen: Meteor Lake desktop is canceled. 14th gen will be Raptor Lake refresh on the current LGA1700, 15th gen will be Arrow Lake on the new LGA1851 socket. Arrow Lake is supposedly able to beat Raptor Lake in multicore by 50%+, comparing 6+8 core models of both gens at the same power draw. 15th gen Arrow Lake is still on target for late 2024.
If that 50%+ number is true that's incredible, AMD will be hard pressed to match that.

[royal elk]

Yeah that would be insane lol

50%

[cyan raft]

let’s gooo lga1700 ain’t dead yet

[shy wyvern]

New memory and board are here

I really don't want to have to reset windows and redownload 8.6 TB of games

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah but sadly it's only a refresh. Higher clocks but basically everything else is the same.

[shy wyvern]

I might just not reinstall windows

Hopefully it'll be fine just reinstalling the chipset drivers

[grizzled bloom]

If you were upgrading from AMD to Intel or vice versa, or from AM4 to AM5, then a reinstall is highly recommended. Besides those cases, you can usually get away with not reinstalling.

[shy wyvern]

It's z690 to z790 and ddr4 to ddr5

[grizzled bloom]

Probably fine

But you know where to start troubleshooting if you get issues like unexpectedly low performance

[shy wyvern]

Also I love windows so much

Lan and wireless didn't work because no drivers and it wouldn't let me sign in on new hardware without internet

So I hooked my phone up with USB tethering

[shy wyvern]

79°C average on p95 decent for a 13700K?

[dull flint]

Yes

Assuming stock, yes

[shy wyvern]

Yeah

Funny to me that I need one of the best AIOs on the market with kyronaut to hit that temp

Silly power hungry CPUs

Lowered voltage to 1.27 and increased clocks to 5.5P and 4.3E. average of 81

Think that's where I'm going to leave it

[amber canopy]

these are some gnarly heatspreaders

[rigid sail]

Hey guys I just got a Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB but it doesnt fit because my memory is a bit high. Does anyone have any recommendations on one that wouldn't be as wide to cool my machine? I have a Ryzen 9 5950X. Any help would be greatly apricated.

[vast meadow]

you can just move the fan up a smidge

[drifting sonnet]

Lmao, I miss the Ryzen stickers ram kits had

[naive pendant]

Hey all, I’ve got a Tomahawk x670e and 7950x3d with two cpu power 8 pin slots. Do I need to connect both of these up?

[limber dragon]

no

[shrewd yoke]

Is Ryzen or Intel the move rn

[dull flint]

The best sale is of either

[grizzled bloom]

The "best" option is entirely subjective at this point. Intel offers great midrange options right now, and AMD has great higher end options. AMD has a platform that's expected to last longer, but Intel has at least one more year. (if rumors are to be believed)

[shrewd yoke]

Think ima go with a 7800x3d

Finally getting rid of itx so I have the thermal capacity to get a more demanding cpu

[dull flint]

Ironic cos the 7800x3d can run on the amd stock cooler just fine lol

88W power limit moment

[shrewd yoke]

I did not know that lmao

I haven’t looked into it much but considering it’s the successor to the 5800x3d ima assume it’s good

[dull flint]

It's quite good yeah, just make sure the bios is up to date and monitor for any unusual behaviour

See pins if you're interested

[shrewd yoke]

Avoid Asus right

For motherboard

[dull flint]

Avoid asus prime in particular

Asrock seems to be the go to choice rn

And asrock is on the cheaper side despite being just good overall

[shrewd yoke]

Never tried asrock but I’ll consider them

I usually go for Asus then Msi after

[dull flint]

Msi has the pro b650

[shrewd yoke]

I needa decide on case before I order motherboard tho, dunno if ima do matx or atx

[dull flint]

That's decent

Asrock b650m hdv is better overall tho

Cos price

[shrewd yoke]

Kinda ironic how it’s avoid Asus and go asrock now

When it was the opposite b4

[dull flint]

Asrock got tired of being 2nd choice lol

[shrewd yoke]

You got any experience with their bios?

[dull flint]

Still yet to own any asrock stuff

It's one of those last things on my list tho

[shrewd yoke]

Fair

Was on mine too lol

[vast meadow]

Asrock bios is nice

Also chadrock
https://youtu.be/blYU1M53Yh4

[misty lotus]

3600 finally working, it's a pain in the arse

[grizzled bloom]

At 64GB, yeah it would be a pain

Now bring down tRFC

It should do 150ns unless you're really unlucky, probably less

[glass plover]

Any reason to upgrade a 3600x? Paired with a 3070 ti

[grizzled bloom]

Probably not. Especially if you do 1440p.

[glass plover]

Ye I just do 1440p

[grizzled bloom]

That puts most of the load on the GPU then so a CPU upgrade won't do much, if anything

[vast meadow]

if you did multicore loads or did esports mainly then yeah but at this stage just wait for the new ones in september

[sudden creek]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/powervia-intel-achieves-chipmaking-breakthrough.html#gs.zlvv9v

This is interesting.

Backside Power Delivery for CPUs.

[grizzled bloom]

The question is, can this keep x86 alive long enough for quantum computing to get mainstream? Because we're rapidly approaching the theoretical limit of the atom.

[burnt spear]

I had a 3600 paired with my 3060 ti at 1440p and 3600 was def more than enough. 3070 ti is some 10-15% better than the 3060 ti iirc, so def will be fine

[glass plover]

Ty

[shrewd yoke]

Is Asus tuf fine for b650 chipset ?

Iirc the prime series wasn’t

[vast meadow]

It's fine but bad price + Asus being scummy in general especially with their mark up i wouldn't recommend supporting them

[shrewd yoke]

Fair

I would rather go with msi but shipping is longer

[hollow thorn]

Would take the wait if it means a better mobo for cheaper

[limber dragon]

ime gigabyte tends to be the most reliable in terms of not having issues when running at stock

[amber canopy]

Proof?

[shrewd yoke]

Gigabyte option has coil wine apparently

[sudden creek]

My B550M DS3H works pretty well out of the box so I vouch for that.

Worked better then my B460M Tuf

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-to-totally-trust-me-eric-cartman-south-park-s20e7-oh-jeez-gif-20389828

[amber canopy]

apparently

[dull flint]

Asrock queen

[vagrant mist]

Been said before already, but no reason

Unless you're running intense rts games, in which case the gpu wouldn't really matter

[dull flint]

Wow. No defense for this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1419ni0/shout_out_to_msi_centre_automatically_changing_my/

If that's on the cards now that's really sad and a huge turn off

[grizzled bloom]

That happens when you just check all the boxes when you're updating and don't read what it's doing

You also get Norton that way

[dull flint]

Kekw

It's been a while since I installed it

[sudden creek]

How does a 13600KF perform in games compared to a 5950x?

[dull flint]

Better

On ddr5 it's a good 15-25% better-ish

[dull flint]

Not far off was I

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's about spot on lol

[dull flint]

Lol

[sudden creek]

On DDR4 specifically.

[grizzled bloom]

That's also highlighted on the chart

[sudden creek]

So give or take 20fps I see.

[grizzled bloom]

27 on average yeah

[sudden creek]

Debating on a 5950x or 13600K + B660M DS3H D4.

Cost is about the same give or take a 20 bucks

[grizzled bloom]

Neither imo

[dull flint]

^

Boards too weak to bother imo

Need better

[sudden creek]

My VRMs are chilly tho.

[dull flint]

I mean if you want throttled high end go for it

DS3H is entry tier

[grizzled bloom]

The 13600k uses 315W at stock settings tho

[sudden creek]

Holy beeps.

13600K draws that much?!

[dull flint]

Can draw more

[sudden creek]

......

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's at stock, most boards will auto to higher

[cursive epoch]

Can be tuned tho but ye

[sudden creek]

Yeah I think 5950x is much more reasonable then if I do it. Especially since it will also help a lot more for blender by up to 30% faster then 13600K.

[grizzled bloom]

OOOF I just double checked and the B660M DS3H only has 6 CPU phases, no way that's handling a 13600k without extra cooling on the VRM

[dull flint]

13600k won't be faster if the board can't handle it lol

Intel throttling is pain

[sudden creek]

5950x on DS3H should work fine so long as I make sure the VRMs never exceed 80c right?

[dull flint]

Exceed 110 and if you can manage that sure

You'd want downdraft cooling for sure

Have my doubts it works but I've been proven wrong

[grizzled bloom]

5 CPU phases on that one 💀

[sudden creek]

With my current setup I am keeping VRMs sub 50c after multiple rounds of r23.

[dull flint]

Ya definitely not doing pbo

[sudden creek]

I can keep it sub 35 with a more aggressive fan curve.

[sudden creek]

90 watts from my 5700G.

[dull flint]

Ya but that's a 5700G or whatever

[sudden creek]

90-95 watts sustained. Isn't the 5950x 115w?

[grizzled bloom]

The 5950X will be doing 220W at full load

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[dull flint]

5950X is 145W or 220W on pbo

You aren't pulling off pbo imo

[sudden creek]

Hmmm.

[dull flint]

Not in an uncontrolled environment

[sudden creek]

Is that a challenge?

[dull flint]

You can try but gpu heat will likely make that hard

[grizzled bloom]

Honestly, run the 5950X with a power limit and you won't lose any performance that's noticeable

That thing loves undervolting too

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[dull flint]

Or just wait until you upgrade the whole lot cos this is a bit silly

[sudden creek]

Will probably do that but now I am also tempted to try PBO just to win what felt like a challenge.

[sudden creek]

Saving up for a big upgrade in the future.

This is just a lil something to hold me over in the mean time if I decide to do it.

[dull flint]

5950x is a big upgrade lol

[sudden creek]

I mean big upgrade as in Dream PC, 6K budget type upgrade.