cpus-mobo-and-memory

[sudden creek]

There were rumors of a Hybrid design like architecture from AMD a month or so ago for next gen.

Not sure if it's true though.

[cursive epoch]

They will, but in the future

Not now, but will in coming years

It's basically a way to get great multi core scores and perf while keeping the main cores very fast

So AMD is bound to follow suit later

[autumn frigate]

Just read some stuff about architecture on amd and intel on why they there’s p cores

[cursive epoch]

It's honestly nothing new

Phones have done this since a while

[autumn frigate]

Intel can’t fit so many cores like amd does bc of their architecture so they compensate with p cores

[cursive epoch]

But now they have 3 variant of cores

One fastest core, with a cluster of medium power core and a third cluster of efficiency cores

Also p core is performance core, the so-called big cores

[autumn frigate]

Would be interesting if amd had a bit more freedom with their cores by making them bigger

[sudden creek]

what's the 3rd type of core called?

[cursive epoch]

The e is those small ones

Well you can call em anything lol

It's just the order of which how strong they are

Lowest perf cores will almost always be called efficiency cores

Because well, they focus on efficiency when the phone isn't under much use

[autumn frigate]

Just call them mini cores

[cursive epoch]

Qualcomm calls them in order from top to bottom as Prime, Gold, and Silver

Kryo Prime and such

Intel makes it simple and just calls em performance and efficiency cores

[sudden creek]

I see, so there's no specific names for such cores.

[cursive epoch]

Exactly

The concept is the same, but the names are simply marketing

Intel's way is the most straightforward of calling it

[sudden creek]

agreed.

[frosty depot]

random thoughts to self... Big cores and small cores being called performance cores and efficiency cores.. somehow translates to performance spoon and efficiency spoon instead of big spoon and little spoon

I'm lame.

[split copper]

I need to spoon tbh

[cursive epoch]

lmao

Well you can think of it as such too, if you will

[sudden creek]

How bad would the ping be from USA to China for a game server?

[grizzled bloom]

That's a BIG "it depends"

It's not too terrible for some games, for example when my friends all play Among Us we play on the Asia server because most of us are closer to there, and everyone can access it. It's playable for that game. Something latency sensitive like CoD? It won't be too fun.

[split copper]

Only 1929 mentions of among us

[grizzled bloom]

What about mentions of amogus

1996 mentions of that

Oh but I also have access to deleted/edited messages so there's that lol

[split copper]

This is sus sad

[compact zenith]

Fal, know how everything I put into my new build had to be RGB, except the power supply? I been forced to leave it off. That's because my wife threatened to throw it in the swimming pool, if it ever again woke her at 3am, putting on a disco light show. You see, back in February, I was watching Star Wars Return of the Jedi, full surround sound, volume at maximum. My Gaming system is in our bedroom. We got distracted when pizza came and I forgot to power the system down, so it went to sleep, and so did all the RGB. Was about 3:44 am that I got up quietly to use the restroom. My cat Snowy decided to follow me 3 minutes later, and took a short cut which required him to walk on my computers keyboard. Now imagine a pitch black room, suddenly blazing with colorful rainbow lights throughout the bedroom, and Star Wars blasting at top volume at the huge battle, which also scared the crap out of Snowy my cat, who in attempt to run and hide, knocked over a Solo cup of ice water, half melted, onto my wife's head. Her screams had me running, and the look of death in her eyes, I wasn't sure if was meant for me, the cat, or my PC. My kids found it funny. My wife on the other hand, dripping water, and I'll just say this. My cat Snowy, who normally isn't scared of anything, wouldn't come out from under the bed till about a little after 2pm in the afternoon that day.

[grizzled bloom]

omfg

If you set up the sleep states correctly and leave wake on usb off you can have the computer sleep without responding to usb devices, so you have to press the power button to wake it up

[compact zenith]

I really need to sit down and read the entire Manuel for the Z690 MB. I built 3 I7 systems, and my own the I9, and originally had issues because the wording on the bios settings between the Z390 to latest Z690, changed a lot.

Took me almost two hours to find the settings so a normal SATA drive would be scanned in without having to boot the system up for it to be detected. Hot swap wasn't in the new wording.

[sudden creek]

what about Minecraft?

[compact zenith]

I have that as well.

[grizzled bloom]

Should be playable. Might be noticeable but not like rubber banding around.

[compact zenith]

Plus after I saw how well my gaming system ran with no SATA drives, I went entirely with NVME, and mothballed all the sata drives, after moving the important stuff over to NVME.

[sudden creek]

ahh alright

[grizzled bloom]

I wish I had the option to ditch sata. That's the only thing keeping me from running my 5800X at 5.3GHz. My sata drives hate bclk > 101.

[compact zenith]

Apex, are your friends who join you in Minecraft item hoarders, or build a lot?

.
Fal, do what I do. Use NVME, and keep the stuff that's huge that you don't use on the SATA drive, then just plug it in when needed.

I have every doctor who episode on my SATA DVR. When I watch any episode, I just plug it in.

[grizzled bloom]

That's a huge undertaking that'll require a lot more effort than a normal person, including about 4 days worth of backing up and restoring

It already took me 3 days to restore my raid 0 backup

That's one of the reasons I wanted to buy a new x79 board, so I can upgrade a few things like going from 100Mb to 1Gb ethernet

[split copper]

A board that doesn't have 1Gb?

[sudden creek]

Item hoarders, though I am a builder and item hoarder.

[grizzled bloom]

It's currently a cheap workstation PC that came with Windows 7, I bought a board to upgrade it but that hasn't gone too well. At least the new board is dual bios so I should be able to fix it but I haven't had time to play musical chairs with CPUs.

[compact zenith]

My old Asus p6x58d introduced me to raid. Didn't even realize when I built the systems, that the 5th drive in each PC wasn't showing, and acting as a raid backup. That's how I found out my kids when they were five, were running their own Minecraft YouTube channel when they were 5 and 6. They deleted the evidence off their normal drives and my phone they borrowed 4am. Wasn't till I built the z390s that I found all their deleted recordings. I don't need baby pictures to blackmail my kids. I tell them I'll repost their videos, and they do their chores with no complaints 😉

[split copper]

Rip

[grizzled bloom]

Those sneaky little...

[split copper]

[grizzled bloom]

My 4 year old is already trying to hide handheld consoles under his blankets in bed lol

I was one of those kids, I deserve it. My mom took my consoles and put them in a lockbox. I popped the hinge. It took her 6 months to notice.

She wasn't even that mad when she found out, more impressed I think. And she also realized that maybe 6 months was a bit excessive for not doing homework.

[compact zenith]

If you don't use NVME, switch to one, even if you got to use an external enclosure with USB C. Running Minecraft, Terraria, and even Starbound off a SK Hynix P41 2TB cuts just about all lag out. If you play Starbound with mods, lock chests maximum to 60 slots, don't allow larger as that games code is so poor, the slots are read in every time, even if empty. Found out majority of lag, was having only four 200 slot chests. Dropped them to 60, and lag stopped.

[compact zenith]

I was 9 when I learned how to defeat the parental lock on our cable box. Unfortunately once the pay per view bill came, I wasn't able to sit for days 😔

[sudden creek]

I was looking into the MP33 or A60 NVMe drives.

[grizzled bloom]

See I never did anything that could be easily traced like that. What I did was use the free trial AOL disks to get infinite dial up in my room, I had a jack in there. She never knew I even had Internet access there, she thought the DSL in the living room was all we had.

[compact zenith]

The 2tb I mentioned has dropped in price drastically. Not sure if anything better. I just know that I don't even use my Kingston Fury NVME anymore.

[grizzled bloom]

There's better drives now but not so much better it's worth upgrading. Besides, PCIe 5.0 is just getting going.

[compact zenith]

Fal, have you ever heard of Habitat, Club Caribe, or Vzones?

[grizzled bloom]

2 of those yes

[compact zenith]

Were you around when Qlink and PC link crashed for almost an entire day?

[grizzled bloom]

I don't think I knew what that was at the time lol

brb

[compact zenith]

Ok, Hero, who for many years was the world manager aka system administrator for Vzones, was and still is a very good programmer, and also my younger brother. He took over the project when it became Vzones. When he was a kid, he used my snapshot ML cartridge to prove to Qlink that it was possible for both PC link and QLink which were the commodore computer line, to talk with one another. Was the first time MSDos machines could talk with commodore users. One of his bosses panicked before my brother could withdraw the code and threw him offline. That caused the entire PC link and QLink networks to crash, and the reindexing, took an entire day to bring everyone back online lol 😂

[grizzled bloom]

Ohhh yeah I remember hearing about that now

Imagine if a fatal flaw existed like that today. The world economy would crash.

[compact zenith]

Oh, when I worked retail 25 years ago, for Home Depot, playd an April fool's joke that almost got me canned. I printed up a box called "The Cordless Extension cord" and assigned a UPC for cord end that our store had 280 of. Used their Shrink wrap machine to wrap it in plastic, with a label that said demo, and placed it into hardware. From home I called hardware up, using an Indian accent, and asked my friend who didn't know it was me, to look for them, as I needed 6, and told him what it looked like, and where I saw the demo. He found it, then looked the UPC up as I thought he would, saw over 200 in stock. Remember, I used a UPC for cord ends, but he didn't know this, he had a demo box that was fake, and went looking. What I didn't expect, was him to walk by the store manager, who wanted one too, and got more employees involved to the point almost all staff went looking for this fake item.

[compact zenith]

If a kid could do that today, it be worse.

My brother was 12 I believe when he wrote the bridge for PC and QLink.

[grizzled bloom]

We do have a lot more kids into programming these days thanks to roblox so who knows

[compact zenith]

I spent well over $300 for my kids to do their own Roblox server and programming for it. I was very pissed, when I actually read all the terms.

They used to play this wierd death match where this screaming cat head would pop up, and had to kill it and be the last man standing. The shreak it made, put all 4 of our cats in an anxious state.

[grizzled bloom]

Roblox is completely taking advantage of kids, they skirt a lot of laws to avoid paying anything for the content they make.

[compact zenith]

I don't understand how they get away with it. Electronic Arts years ago, fired every volunteer when a kid using a fake ID he got from DMV sued EA, so they fired all the blue staff.

I was their promotor. Look up Xanthor or Lord-Xanthor with Ultima Online or Earth and Beyond, and you'll see all or most of my work. I lost my free employee account with everyone else, but kept my promotor job with them.

I won't even type the April fool's joke I did with EA, especially when Hanse thought it was so funny, he actually put my patch joke into the online game.

One dragon per player, one house per account, that was my April fool's joke, and Hanse puts it into the game.

If you only knew how many times I got pkd that month. My fault for using a character with same name I used on Stratics.

[grizzled bloom]

You got uno reversed with a draw 4 on that prank

[compact zenith]

Lol, true enough. I moved my tower and castle to Trammel after

When it was still a prank, my article was as long as messages today. No one read it to the end to press the read more button that would say April Fools. They were so angry, they went into the game and paged the GM's to vent their anger.

EA had more pages that day, than any other day in the history of UO.

[grizzled bloom]

Unintentional stress test of the system happened that day

[long geyser]

I wouldnt be surprised if OpenRGB had some sort of time based plugin (Use OpenRGB to control RGB).

[compact zenith]

I tried that program once. It caused a conflict where I wasn't able to control the RGB of my ram. The Ap wasn't able to find the Ram RGB lighting, and at the same time, prevented the application that does control lighting to lose sight. The ram RGB, I find handy. Can always tell when the system force reboots, as the driver that controls it, can't load up till you actually log in, so the lights go on after reboot.

[long geyser]

I think ORGB has SMB bus options that you can disable which should stop issues with the RAM RGB controller program. You could also try looking for plugins for the RAM as well, as plugins or forks of ORGB can have added device compatibility.

[compact zenith]

I'll check it out later. I used to hate testing some of Microsoft products, because it took hours to restore my 2tb boot drive. Now a days, I mess something up, I restore an image off my NVME external, and takes 40 seconds to 3 minutes.

Heck, I tossed my thumb drives ever since Fal introduced me to the SK Hynix P41.

I have a ESD case that stores 40 of them. Been spending a few months transferring all my old cdr and DVD backups to NVME.

I have 4300 CDs in storage that I forgot what I used to make those backups. Once I figure it out, those are next. They are my old Amiga, Atari 800, and C64 roms and emulators from 1995 to 2002.

Oh, and my old highschool Adventure project. I made a sequel to the old Atari 2600 adventure, and planned back then into getting the author to help in selling it, but by time I got contact info, the games graphics became far outdated. Hmm. Think I know what I'm doing this weekend.

[sudden creek]

What is OpenRGB like? I am currently using SignalRGB.

[grizzled bloom]

Here we go people, time for more details https://youtu.be/fFNi3YNJXbY

[grizzled bloom]

TL:DW - The assumption is a cascading failure. One thing broke (a dielectric layer, which may have been caused by excess voltage) and that caused everything else around it to break.

[sudden creek]

What does "TL:DW" mean?

[strange anvil]

Im getting a 4070 but currently have a 3900x as my cpu. Do I need an upgrade at cpu

[oak sand]

too long didnt watch

[strange anvil]

calculator says 1.3% processor bottlenecking

[long geyser]

Play a game at 144p and that is 100% CPU/internal/memory "bottleneck", play a game at 720p and that is 100% CPU/maybe memory "bottleneck", play a game at 2160p and that is 100% GPU "bottleneck", lastly play a game at 1080p on a 60Hz monitor and that is 100% monitor "bottleneck". Those calculators are bad. Also note 6950xt is usually same price as 4070 with more raster perf and same RT perf.

[strange anvil]

Im fine with a 4070 bc Im not the one paying for it

its a gift

[cursive epoch]

Bottleneck calculator is wildly inaccurate

Because for one bottlenecks will always occur no matter what configuration you run

[strange anvil]

Okay disregard the calculatoe

do I need a new cpu if I get a 4070

[cursive epoch]

Nah

[strange anvil]

I didnt think so either

Im trying to prove to my friend that I dont

[long geyser]

That is a bad reason to disregard the 6950xt. Whoever is buying it for you has a budget. 6950xt has more performance and is in the same budget range as the buyer.

[cursive epoch]

It'd be better if you could upgrade, but it's not a serious problem at all. Nor is it a problem actually

[strange anvil]

well I think they already bought it was my point

[long geyser]

Depending on your views for returning and swapping gifts, there is always that option. But otherwise, fair point.

[strange anvil]

I need to upgrade my memory

or at least get more

I wanna get 32 gbs

I currently have 16

[long geyser]

Are you doing anything more then gaming? 16GB is starting to become unideal to recommend for games, but it is still quite manageable.

[split copper]

I'm thinking of getting a 32 kit when I build new someday

I wanna be able to run Minecraft nice and smooth

[long geyser]

MC only needs like 6GB - 8GB even on most modpacks. Cuz G1GC is a pain you dont want to allocate much of anything unless you really tune it. Need a custom JVM to get a better GC and have less problems with more memory usage, but almost no one does that so recommendation just goes back to allocating less memory.

[split copper]

Yeah it doesn't really make sense to me to allocate more than that from what happens that I've heard

Just can't handle it

Not the kind of application that'll just eat everything you throw at it

[delicate iris]

For a 13600k I only need to plug in one CPU cable into my modular PSU right?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes one 8 pin (4+4) will do fine

[delicate iris]

Cool, thank you

[compact zenith]

I never was a fan of AMD. Back in the days of 486 systems, and my disgust of Tandy computers, despite the fact I managed a Radio Shack store in Central Islip NY, a customer brought in an AMD system, and I was baffled as to why I couldn't get Kings Quest IV to run on it. Even making a boot disk, it just kept crashing and I was able to get it to run on our stores demo system, and my non Tandy at home. Never did figure it out.

[split copper]

My brother's old PC sports a Phenom II X4 955

Thing ran like a champ

[grizzled bloom]

That was almost exactly my first gaming CPU. I had the 965. I think I still do in a box somewhere.

Ran great for me too. It was also nice when you could unlock the fourth core on the 3 core models. (the fourth core failed internal validation usually and was disabled, but lots of motherboards included firmware that could unlock it)

[dull flint]

Awesome video

It's a shame though cos while 1.0.0.6 and more importantly 1.0.0.7 bottle cap the vsoc runaway, those Agesa's supposedly introduce a ton of other bugs, which 1.0.0.9 I'm told is months away and the supposed "fix"...

• Sigh *

Lmao

[cursive epoch]

AM5 moment

[dull flint]

But the important part is these other bugs don't seem to be anywhere as bad or as related to exploding silicon

[cursive epoch]

true

As long as cpu doesn't go kaboom, losing ram oc is forgivable

[dull flint]

Not even about the oc potential

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-burnout-fix-1007-bugs

110C 7950X go brrrr

[cursive epoch]

lol

Ye I have read some of that

cpus be toasty

[dull flint]

Updated the pin for anyone who's on AM5

[mild jackal]

Earning that yellow name

[amber canopy]

piss role

⭐

[grizzled bloom]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Don't buy the first model on a new platform.

Same goes for cars. First models of a new gen always have the most recalls.

[split copper]

Maybe they should just stop producing cars if they're so bad at it

[cursive epoch]

Some stuff does go unnoticed even after years of development gone into a car, so yeah

It takes the first batch to rectify most issues

[frosty depot]

AM4 is what to Intel? AM5 is what to Intel?

[grizzled bloom]

Huh

What exactly are you asking?

[vast meadow]

Intel gen that was out when the platform was?

If so 6th gen and 12th gen respectively

Maybe 13th actually not sure on specific dates

[frosty depot]

I see ok.

[frosty depot]

I think this is the answer I was seeking.

6th gen is when Intel went to a new platform?

I'm confused a little, so I'm not sure how to ask what I'm wondering.

[vast meadow]

It is 13th but should have been 12th

[frosty depot]

Like.. the difference between AM4 and AM5.. when did Intel do a different platform last?

[vast meadow]

Oh 10th gen

Lga1200

Every 2 years

[grizzled bloom]

11th to 12th gen, 12th gen being the new platform using DDR5

[frosty depot]

Ok, that's what I was thinking, but I wasn't entirely sure.

[grizzled bloom]

There was plenty of issues with that new platform too. Like not being able to run 4 sticks of DDR5. Like, at all in a lot of cases because you couldn't go above 4400 and the sticks would default to 4800.

[vast meadow]

I thought you meant what was the equivalent platform on release

[frosty depot]

Nah, I was trying to figure out what the equivalent of Intel was like AMD went from AM4 to AM5. I've been up many hours and had to work a double so I'm a bit tired, but I wanted to ask before I forgot.

[vast meadow]

No worries

Intel changes every 2 years basic on ritual

That's not the right word but you know what i mean

Maybe one day we can have a 3 year long intel platform

[dull flint]

raptor refresh means 3 gens

[vast meadow]

Uwu?

Are they really gonna have much improvements?

13600k super xD?

[dull flint]

13600K2

[frosty depot]

Felix better start working on that next list.

[dull flint]

what next list

[frosty depot]

XD

[dull flint]

I don't keep lists

I use brain

[frosty depot]

Brain use you.

If you think about it..

[grizzled bloom]

Latest rumor is due to issues with chiplets tiles 14th gen is going to be a refresh of 13th gen, using the same socket. 15th gen would become the new LGA1841.

[dull flint]

it won't even be called 14th gen at this rate

time for ultra

[frosty depot]

i5 Ultra

i5 UltraK

[grizzled bloom]

They dropped the i

[frosty depot]

K. Idk what I'm saying anymore. Going to bed. Thanks for the info Fal/Pato

[grizzled bloom]

lol g'night

[frosty depot]

Wait.. what?

Ok

Nvm. To tired

[dull flint]

WHAT BOUT MEH

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it's going to be core 5 ultra for example

[dull flint]

jk

[frosty depot]

You know I love you. I didn't know I had to show it in public.

[dull flint]

not on Wednesdays no

On tuesdays yes

[frosty depot]

Is not tuwusday though

[dull flint]

you're lucky it's a wednesday or you'd be dead

via a rail gun

of a censored description

[frosty depot]

See, that doesn't sound like a threat.

[dull flint]

You know you'd have a good time that's why

[frosty depot]

I can't even. I gotta go to bed.

[dull flint]

sadge

night night

[frosty depot]

I gonna get banned from wegg if I don't.

[vast meadow]

Skull, how is it refresh if chiplets tho? Also i thought it was gonna be d5 only?

[grizzled bloom]

Let me clarify, it won't be meteor lake. It'll be Raptor Lake refreshed. Meteor Lake is having serious design level issues.

So the new MTL chiplet, er, "tile" layout is pushed back to 15th gen so they have more time to work on it

This is only on desktop btw, there will be some 14th gen MTL mobile chips from what I heard

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[dull flint]

7GHz raptor when

[grizzled bloom]

Rumor is a potential 6.5GHz KS model

[dull flint]

so 7GHz on direct die then

[graceful terrace]

Hey everyone, I have a question about upgrading. Is it more important to upgrade a mobo or a processor? I have ryzen 5 3600 for cpu and b450 aorus elite mobo and 16g of ram. I'm poor so I can't buy really expensive stuff unfortunately. I do game quite a bit, FFXIV mostly, and it runs alright. My fps are usually around 90 to 140. Just wondering what some peeps with more knowledge than me might think haha

[dull flint]

You could probably drop a 5800X3D into that mobo and be just fine

If not a 5600/5700X

Just needs a bios update first

[graceful terrace]

Okay cool, thanks! Do you think I should get some more ram too maybe?

[dull flint]

Depends on your budget

If going 5700X or 5800X3D I'd get 32gb of ram yes, but a new kit then sell the old 16gb kit

Saves compatibility issues and you often come out with more profit

[graceful terrace]

I like profit

lol

Thank you so much for your insight 🙂

[dull flint]

All good

One more thing

If 5800X3D, new cooler

[graceful terrace]

Ooh good idea

[dull flint]

Stock cooler no good

[graceful terrace]

Oh I see I see

okay

[dull flint]

Ye

A dual tower like a cheap thermalright

Phantom spirit, peerless assassin

Those are good

The other two can technically use the stock cooler tho

[graceful terrace]

Got it

Appreciate that

[dull flint]

Np

What gpu is in this system btw

[graceful terrace]

I did upgrade that not long ago, geforce 3050

[dull flint]

Oo okay

Probably 5600 then imo

3050 is very low end

[graceful terrace]

yes sadly >.<

[dull flint]

Heck 3600 is honestly fine gaming with something like that

[graceful terrace]

Okay so what I have is pretty much fine then?

[dull flint]

Considering the whole picture yeah

Cos 3050 is very lightweight

[burnt spear]

3600 is fine with up to a 3080/6800xt at 1440p

I'd upgrade gpu first and then ram after

ram now if you find yourself running out of it

[dull flint]

Yea ^^^

[burnt spear]

Also, what power supply do you have

[dull flint]

With those specs probably anything

[graceful terrace]

lol

Yeah I don't remember my power supply exactly except that it's 70 watts?

[dull flint]

It's definitely more than 70 watts

Lolol

[burnt spear]

it'll say a wattage and model on the side of it

[dull flint]

70W is like a laptop charger

[graceful terrace]

Sorry haha lemme rip my tower open

EVGA 750

[dull flint]

Does it say what kind of 750

[graceful terrace]

It has a g+ beside it?

[dull flint]

Like a longer name

[graceful terrace]

Hnm

[dull flint]

G+ awesome

That's actually exactly what I was after lol

[graceful terrace]

Oh sweet haha

Yeah I did use the pcbuilder on the site to make sure it was all compatible at least

[dull flint]

You could upgrade gpu to basically whatever with that one

Of course, the cpu would find it hard to keep up but anyway lolol

[graceful terrace]

Lol well that's not good

Sounds like I need to upgrade everything

[dull flint]

Nah nah hear me out

Take me through your thoughts, what's got you asking us about it

Want something faster?

Or is it more like, you feel unsure of what you have right now is good enough?

Or is it maybe something else

Cos right now if you have basically any half decent ssd, your b450 and psu are good for most things in mind

[graceful terrace]

Unsure what I have is good enough and and I'm finding load times are delayed slightly

[dull flint]

Ah

Is your ssd full at all

[graceful terrace]

I have no idea

[dull flint]

Do you run the game off an ssd?

[graceful terrace]

Yes I do

[dull flint]

You should check how much space is left

[graceful terrace]

I don't think it's full. That's my storage right? I have 1TB

[dull flint]

Ssd's can slow down once they fill up

Ye it's ur storage

[graceful terrace]

Okay lemme check

[dull flint]

Even if there's only a certain amount left, say 20%

It can still slow down

[graceful terrace]

Ahh okay

See my PC is taking forever to boot up right now

[dull flint]

Sometimes a fresh reinstall for windows can be everything the doctor ordered too

[graceful terrace]

I know it always gets janky when there's an update 🙄

[dull flint]

Over time you get clutter, rewritten sectors, bloat, updates etc

[graceful terrace]

That makes sense

[dull flint]

That's one suggestion anyway

If you were looking for more performance in other areas

Apart from load times

You could drop in any of those cpus I mentioned

And change ram, and change gpu

Most likely without any issues

GPU I would stop at, let's say, 6950XT/7900XT

Anything in between that for a good price would be fine

Just depends on what you wanna spend

[graceful terrace]

Still waiting to check the space on my SSD ...

[dull flint]

[graceful terrace]

Sorry... Why's it take so long??

[dull flint]

Hm

What ssd is it

Do you know?

[graceful terrace]

Western digital

[dull flint]

Sorry, what's the full name again

If you don't know it's ok

[graceful terrace]

WDC wd10ezex-21wn4a0

That's what I can see

[dull flint]

That's a hard drive

Ooo a wd blue too

Not bad not bad

[grizzled bloom]

Some cheaper SSDs even slow down at 50%

[dull flint]

Not an ssd tho

Ok so maybe this serves as an excellent time then

You need an ssd

Do you require a lot of space or just enough for windows?

[graceful terrace]

No I need a lot of space

[dull flint]

Ok

[sudden creek]

20TB?

😈

[dull flint]

Here's lots of space

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2vVmP6/intel-670p-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknu020tzx1

[graceful terrace]

Lol maybe just one

[dull flint]

Here's one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7tCFf7/silicon-power-a60-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp001tbp34a60m28

You install this into your motherboard, then I'd also suggest reinstalling windows onto it as a fresh copy

Or if you have the patience, use a program called "macrium reflect free edition" to clone it all from the hard drive

[grizzled bloom]

Going from a HDD to SSD is easily one of the best upgrades anyone can do

[sudden creek]

then SSD to NVMe ssd.

[dull flint]

Ssd upgrade is probably my only suggestion rn tbh

[grizzled bloom]

No that's a lot less impactful

[dull flint]

If impactful at all

[sudden creek]

really?

[dull flint]

Lmao

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

Only matters on high end workstations tbh

[sudden creek]

What about for things like Blender?

[dull flint]

The difference between a sata ssd and gen 4 ssd booting windows is seconds

Where as sata hdd is minutes

[grizzled bloom]

That's a workstation task

[sudden creek]

Oh you mean that for games it's not a big difference correct?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[dull flint]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

I'll prove it, one sec

[sudden creek]

I haven't been playing games much as of late. Mostly workstation stuff.

[dull flint]

But for windows it's a huge jump

[graceful terrace]

@dull flint can I dm you please?

[dull flint]

Eh, just ask here

💀

[royal elk]

LMAO

Only I can dm felix🗿

[graceful terrace]

Okay no worries haha I'm just getting lost

[grizzled bloom]

Here, I checked some comparisons before #tech-deals-discussion message

[dull flint]

Oh no probs

I'll leave you with a ping message

One sec

@graceful terrace
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7tCFf7/silicon-power-a60-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp001tbp34a60m28

Now it's in your history

👍

[graceful terrace]

Perfect so that's all I should do for now then?

[sudden creek]

i see

[dull flint]

I'd say so yes. Change to ssd if that western digital is all that's in there

You can keep the western digital for games too if you want, when everything is done

[graceful terrace]

Kay, thank you ever so much. I really appreciate your help with this 🙂

[dull flint]

No problem

[strange anvil]

Alright I need some advice. Currently I am running 16 GB 3600mhz RAM with a 3900x and 2070 Super.
I am upgrading my GPU to a 4070 and I also want to upgrade my RAM. Should I just upgrade to 32 GB of the same RAM or should I get 32 GB of new RAM with more mhz?

[royal elk]

Just get the same memory

Unless you're interested in overclocking it

But 3900x won't do anything crazy anyway frequency wise

[frosty depot]

@pine surge Take a look at this. This is what I was explaining. This is why we want to update your BIOS before we do anything else with your build.

[pine surge]

As in like we put everything in the case?

Bro how would that even be possible

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen 2 identical kits of memory refuse to work together because they had different dies. Especially lower end stuff, because just about any die would work.

[grizzled bloom]

You can update the bios without the CPU or memory installed if the board has flashback

[royal elk]

Well nevermind then

[pine surge]

well what if it doesnt

[grizzled bloom]

What motherboard is it? A lot of them do these days

But in the rare case it doesn't then the CPU will survive long enough to update the bios

[strange anvil]

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, even worse because I've seen corsair sticks that can't even run xmp without errors. It would be worse adding more strain on the memory controller.

[frosty depot]

It does have flashback.

[pine surge]

Ok

[oak sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGfc-JBxlY

lets goooo

[near gull]

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-5700x-ryzen-7-5000-series/p/N82E16819113735?Item=N82E16819113735 is $194 a good price for this?

https://www.newegg.com/neo-forza-32gb/p/0RN-0097-00084?Item=9SIAC0EJN98452 and would this work with it?

[vast meadow]

It's decent and no, ryzen 5000 series cpus are ddr4 only

[near gull]

aw, so I need to switch out one of them?

[cursive epoch]

Ram is a no

Since am4 isn't ddr5

[near gull]

so should I find a ddr4 or Ryzen 7000?

[burnt spear]

do you already have a mobo?

[near gull]

no, I just have these in a cart

[burnt spear]

are you building a whole pc, or do you just need a new cpu ram and mobo?

(upgrading existing pc?)

[near gull]

well, I'm guessing it would have to be basically a new build, the PC I got is quite dated; had it since before Skyrim was out. current mobo probably can't hanlde more than 4 GB of RAM, for instnace

[burnt spear]

kk, whats your budget for the whole build?

and do you need a new monitor too?

[near gull]

new monitor sounds nice; the only free screen I have is physically big but, the edges of the screen is cut off

[burnt spear]

kk

budget?

[near gull]

I guess I never really had a set amount. I just spent the past several weeks browsing through the daily deals, and grabbing what looks good and had a significant discount. I already have the new case for it, if that matters or helps

[burnt spear]

you buy anything other than the case?

[near gull]

I also got an SSD but it won't properlly boot from it

[burnt spear]

did you install windows on it?

[near gull]

I cloned the original drive

[burnt spear]

I'd just install windows normally and then use the original drive as a secondary

anyways, what's the most money you'd wanna spend after what you've spent already?

@near gull

[near gull]

hmmmm, is this including peripherals? having a hard time thinking of a number. I mean is a grand total of 1200 to 1800 too low or smoehting? I've gotten a prebuilt in 2017 for $1000 and it still works well, and I feel like if I spend more on parts for baiscally a new one (except for drives and OS) will it even be any better? I have a total of three computers and envisioned them all to be, idk, competitive? like it would be cool if say two friends or family member are over and we wanted to play games to gether, no one would feel like they would get the 'bad pc' or 'slow one'

[burnt spear]

well you could do https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pYtm6r

[near gull]

also had ideas of maybe using GPUs from three brands/manufacturers since I had three but idk if that would just be silly

[burnt spear]

wdym

if you wanna spend more https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gpns9r

[near gull]

well currently they're all NVIDIA, but I hear that generally AMD makes stuff that seems like a better value when comptared to similar NVIDIA cards or processors. I also saw this https://www.newegg.com/acer-predator-bifrost-intel-arc-a770-oc/p/N82E16814553001?Item=N82E16814553001 and thought it looked cool

[burnt spear]

a770 is not great

for your budget it shouldnt even be in the conversation

[near gull]

aw

and is that the best Intel has for graphics or?

[burnt spear]

Yeah atm

[burnt spear]

Running mismatched ram sticks at JEDEC isn't an issue right?

[main pulsar]

not really

if it boots

[amber canopy]

You probably don't wanna mix single rank and dual rank sticks, but if you're running jedec anyway you probably wouldn't care about that either

[burnt spear]

Friend has a pre built that I'm pretty sure doesn't allow xmp

Hes hosting a modded server for us while playing, so it's not running well, so got him a second kit, and figured since just jedec it doesn't matter

[grizzled bloom]

Big IF

I have a kit of b die that refuses to boot with my kit of c die, no matter what

[amber canopy]

cdie moment

cdies

[grizzled bloom]

It's just weird to me because you'd think they'd be compatible with the same Samsung brand die

[limber dragon]

it happens

I just worked on a maximus hero 8 that we put in 2 jedec sticks of samsung, and it would bsod with mem stuffs, but pass all mem tests. We swapped in 2 crucial jedec sticks (forgot which IC, but made sure it was matching) and no more bsods

originally came in with post code 55 on 4x4GB

[naive pendant]

seeing all the drama about Asus AMD mobos, how are they for intel right now?

[vast meadow]

They've always been overpriced anyway so still a poor choice

[naive pendant]

If I wanted to buy a cheaper set of ddr4 specifically to OC it a bit higher what should I go with? 🤔

[hollow thorn]

Are you ocing for fun or just want a kit that works

[naive pendant]

ocing specifically so I can get it cheap but overclock it for slightly more perf [a kit that works]

[hollow thorn]

Yea the problem is that the cheap kits won't overclock that well, b die and rev e won't be cheap, you can overclock some on cjr djr, which comes in the cheap kits

[vast meadow]

There hasn't been any good sets of kits for OC that you can buy new that are reasonably priced tbh

I'd look for used ballistix/b die

Idk how cheap you could consider them tho

[naive pendant]

I recall being told my current kit is Hynix M, would it be better just to keep these and see how high I can OC them instead then? 😭

[hollow thorn]

Mfr is pretty bad, it'll take work to get past 3200c16 tbh

[vast meadow]

It's not worth your money buying a new kit, I'd just focus on trying to tune your subtimings on your current kit if you wanna oc

You'll see a nice jump if you do that anyway

[amber canopy]

H4M > H8M

💪

4000C14 gang

[royal elk]

My 16gb of bdie was 45

Thats only 16gb tho

[vast meadow]

Yeah but that's used

Still not really cheap

[royal elk]

no?

I bought my kit brand new from wegg

tforce xtreme 3200 c14

https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331435

[vast meadow]

Oh ntb

[amber canopy]

my 32GB of bdie was 38

[royal elk]

Yours doesnt count

[amber canopy]

how

[royal elk]

mr 3333 c16

[amber canopy]

its probably faster than yours

nerd

[royal elk]

its not

nerddd

[amber canopy]

yea thats gear 1 cr1

i could probably run it faster

[royal elk]

mine is cr1

[amber canopy]

DID I ASK

[royal elk]

NO

LMAO

thats still a good price for 32gb

[amber canopy]

and it looks cooler than yours, smh

[royal elk]

drr3 heatspreadersssss

[amber canopy]

yupp

[sudden creek]

What type of ram speeds can a 10700f normally handle at 16GB or more per DIMM?

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on the memory die. With 2x DR Rev E it can do 5000+ in gear 2.

Rev E is highly recommended on that platform. It's easier on the memory controller.

[sudden creek]

What is gear 2?

[grizzled bloom]

It's similar to CR2 on Ryzen. It sends commands on every even numbered cycle instead of every cycle. Faster memory basically requires this for stability so the controller or memory don't miss a command because it went by too fast.

There's better latency in gear 1, and you should be able to do 4000 in gear 1 with dr rev e.

You'll need to make sure you're on the right motherboard for any of this ofc. B460 doesn't support memory overclocking. B560, Z490, and Z590 do.

[sudden creek]

wait really?...

ooof what I have is a b460m.

By the way, could I ask you something real quick?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, Intel used to lock memory overclocking to the top Z chip boards. They only just started letting you do it on B and H boards recently, thanks to ryzen allowing overclocking everything on everything.

Go for it

[sudden creek]

I was looking at SSDs and heard the Kingston NV2 is a pretty bad drive, so I looked at the other contenders in the about $2000 peso range and I saw the Crucial P3 and SN350 was wondering if those are decent drives? here's some of what pops up immediately when searching. Looking to buy the parts for my system in about a week or two.

[grizzled bloom]

Who said the NV2 was bad

Do not get WD green if you care about speed or reliability at all

P3 is also pretty bad, P5 is the good one

[sudden creek]

oh okay.

What are other options besides the NV2 just incase so I got options?

hmmm, if I up the limit by another $30-40 the options increase drastically.

[eternal helm]

Toms hardware

Part swapping hits again

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah but it's still a good chance of being much better than a WD green at least

It's a nand grab bag sure but most of them are better if you're looking at bottom of the barrel stuff

[sudden creek]

Can I use 3200 or 3600mhz ram with my I7-10700f on the Asus Tuf B460M?

[sudden creek]

Assuming I am limited to 3000mhz, how hard would it be to run this? Cheapest 64gb 3000cl16 kit I could find that isn't naked
https://www.amazon.com.mx/Kingston-3000MHz-Memoria-KF430C16BBK4-64/dp/B097K2WL8Z/ref=mp_s_a_1_42?crid=3QTZJ3D2PJ9YH&keywords=64gb+ram+ddr4&qid=1684081396&rnid=9754432011&s=electronics&sprefix=64gb+ram+ddr4%2Caps%2C267&sr=1-42&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2

[vast meadow]

itll run at 2933/3000mhz max

[sudden creek]

Does the ram need to have a XMP profile of 2933 to work or can it downclock itself to work?

I can't find many 2*32GB 2933mhz cl16 sticks.

[vast meadow]

youll probably have to set it manually or itll force it down im not sure

but youll be able to run a higher spec kit yes

itll just run at a lower speed

[sudden creek]

On the b460m I can't overclock but i can still change the speed manually?

[vast meadow]

id say so

or ittl default to 2933

[sudden creek]

Odd.

[sudden creek]

Either way this kit will still work?

4x16GB running 3000cl16.

[grizzled bloom]

You can get faster memory, it'll just run at the board limit

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[storm python]

I have the z790 PG Riptide, and i5 13600KF, did I lose out on speed if I got ddr5 5600 with CAS 32, or should I've gone for ddr5 6400 with CAS 40? I'm mainly going to game

[past rain]

To run editing software like after effects and my computer has a hard time performing it is it my cpu that is lacking gpu or both

[grizzled bloom]

You can overclock it and get better performance than any reasonable price xmp kit

[past rain]

I have low tier components

[grizzled bloom]

After effects likes strong single core performance. A modern 6 core processor is advised, though most effects will only use a max of 4 cores.

[past rain]

Well I can do it no problem @grizzled bloom with my i5 n 1060 6GB but I'm thinking of maxing out my pc with a i9 9900k n a 2080 ti would that help in it performing after effects better

[grizzled bloom]

A 9900k is honestly overkill. A 9600k or 9700k would do just as well because the extra threads don't help.

[past rain]

@grizzled bloom I'm trying to keep my 1st pc build by all means even I'm way behind in everything but in the future build a 2nd pc with current pc components strictly for gaming

Oh really i7 would do n i9 is overkill

[grizzled bloom]

For the price of a 9900k you can get a ryzen 5600 and B450 board that'll destroy it in almost everything

[past rain]

I know but I'm not trying to discard my original build

[grizzled bloom]

A 9900k is just a 9700k with hyper threading turned on and 100MHz higher max boost

[past rain]

I know amd kills In performance overall in.all categories

Ok ill look into a i7

[grizzled bloom]

A 12400 would match the 5600 if you wanted intel but that would still need a board upgrade

[past rain]

If u have a 3.0 mb even though a 4.0 gpu is compatible u wouldn't get its full performance so might as well stick to a 3.0 gpu correct or no

[split copper]

You don't have to discard something that will still be useful for many years

[grizzled bloom]

Exactly. I like to repurpose my old computers.

[grizzled bloom]

99% of the time you don't lose any performance in 3.0 x16 mode instead of 4.0

Only sometimes using a 4090 you do

[split copper]

Old PC could be a media library, a NAS, a modem/router, a TV, a garage PC, etc.

[past rain]

Well I only use my pc to stream n super beginner after effects stuff but I want it to be faster I suppose in performing tiny editing things

Wat if I found a i9 9900k for 250 on ebay is that worth it

Or very risky

[grizzled bloom]

Again, for that 250 you can literally get a better cpu that uses less power

[past rain]

I stream xbox but im trying to make fancy notifications but while I'm running the software it's ether my cpu is struggling or my gpu struggles so I was jus looking to max out both of my components b4 I move to my 2nd pc build

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dpvwzf

Brand new for $210, you can reuse your current ram

[past rain]

Ram is cross compatible

[grizzled bloom]

yes

9th gen intel uses DDR4 and so does Ryzen on AM4

[past rain]

Ah

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

$13 more gets you a better motherboard with wifi too https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MfjRTn

[past rain]

Well my mb is like b or c tier has a lil rgb lil bit but im like a wanna be enthusiasts builder

I'm like a low budget rgb guy chasing the unicorn puke items but still wanting my computer to perform decently

That's y I was gonna upgrade to a 9900k bcuz that's the highest my mb can hold I think n I would move on to the next

[grizzled bloom]

Well if you go that route just remember that the 9700k does everything the 9900k does but cheaper. The only exception being all core workloads like blender.

[past rain]

Yea I don't use blender at all so the i7 is a much better choice then

No point in the 9900k

Can u overclock the 9700k

[grizzled bloom]

On a Z chipset board yes

[past rain]

Oooo mine is not a Z it's a X I think

It's the rog code X I think

[grizzled bloom]

You can find out real quick using cpu-z, it'll say the chipset on the mainboard tab

[past rain]

Oh it's a Z370

So I think it can overclock

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

[dull sluice]

Is there any point in upgrading from a 470x mb to B550?

[split copper]

Not unless you're dying for a specific feature on a B550

[dull sluice]

so not worth it otherwise? Unless we're going w/ a huge cpu upgrade?

[split copper]

Does the X470 board not support the CPU you're upgrading to

[dull sluice]

I was more meaning like ryzen 7 7800x3d per say, unless im aiming something that requires a board swap, than theirs no need really?

[split copper]

It won't fit on a B550 either

[dull sluice]

no one said it would

[grizzled bloom]

X470 will do everything most people need it to do. The only reason to upgrade to B550 would be if you had a genuine need for PCIe 4.0 and 95% of people don't.

[dull sluice]

thanks homie

[split copper]

You kind of suggested it would but it's not important

[dull sluice]

Nah, if I did, I would said it. "Per say" is another way of hypothetically. Thanks tho.

[split copper]

Fair enough ig

[burnt spear]

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

cheers

[halcyon relic]

what’s a decent price to sell my 5900x at ?

[royal elk]

Like 250

[toxic salmon]

I'm thinking about adding another RAM-stick to my MSI GE62 2QC Apache laptop. The currently installed is Kingston SO-DIMM DDR3L 1600Mhz MSI16D3LS1MNG/8G.

Should I have anything specific in mind when selecting the new stick except for the clock speed, size and voltage?

[grizzled bloom]

DDR3L sticks use less power than their DDR3 counterparts, it would be a good idea on a laptop to use those

Especially since you already have one, and adding a DDR3 non-L stick would make both sticks run a higher voltage

Generally speaking at that speed compatibility is a non-issue

[toxic salmon]

This laptop is already really power hungry, and it consumes the battery quick enough as it is so i thought it would be good to stick to DDR3L. Have you got any experience with those? I was thinking about picking a budget alternative, but i'm not sure about the lifetime and stability.

The one i'm thinking of is:
https://www.amazon.se/dp/B00MYYTG50/?tag=prse-ce-retail-21&creative=380333&creativeASIN=B00MYYTG50&linkCode=asn

[grizzled bloom]

That should work

[toxic salmon]

Great! 8GB ram is a little low, 16GB will hopefully allow the system to perform a little smoother.

[grizzled bloom]

Oh and as far as lifetime goes, in general memory sticks last a VERY long time because they contain no moving parts. Especially at a low voltage.

[cursive epoch]

It's also made by micron

To be frank, any ram won't die even after decades as long as they don't get damaged

Or unless pcb quality is poor

[grizzled bloom]

"Damage" can also be from overclocking, damage over time due to increased voltage

But yeah there's servers that still run full banks of 8 giant sticks of generic DDR3, and they've been running since 2012.

[cursive epoch]

It's more likely to have a dead motherboard than dead ram

[grizzled bloom]

Especially a laptop

[toxic salmon]

That is good to know. I've always kept to the mid-tier for the sake of stability and bang for the buck for my dt, so I have no knowledge about what to look out for in budget alternatives. The only time that i've had any problem was when my PSU broke and took out one of my RAM sticks.

[grizzled bloom]

Wow it's pretty rare that damage would get that far down the chain tbh

[toxic salmon]

I know! Trying to find the problem (except for the psu) was a pain in the a**. Memory problems also tends to produce the weirdest problems, and it took a while before I even considered taking out the ram

[cursive epoch]

Memory problems are indeed absurd

Sometimes they can be as obvious as corrupting windows itself, or random instability

[graceful terrace]

Hey there... So I installed an SSD, a small one that goes in the m2 slot. I know, I'm so technical lol not. Anyways... I did not disconnect my main HD which has windows on it but now when I boot my PC I get the error that there's no os detected. I've tried every boot option in my bios with no success. I plugged in a flash drive with Windows installer on it but it's not detecting that either. What do?

Sorry if this is not the right place for help but I'm kind of at my wits end here

Can someone please help me?

[grizzled bloom]

Sometimes when you use certain M.2 slots it disables a SATA port, it could be that or the boot order is messed up

[graceful terrace]

Oof... I tried all the boot options available so it must be the sata disconnect. I'll try disconnecting the SSD and see if that solves the boot issue. But then how do I get my SSD to work?

[grizzled bloom]

Try another sata port

[graceful terrace]

Oh. Okay😅

[grizzled bloom]

There's also the hard drive priority list in the boot menu, you'll want to make sure the old drive is on top of that. It's a submenu so it's easy to miss.

[graceful terrace]

Okay

I'm in my bios at boot option priorities

[grizzled bloom]

Once you're in Windows you can use Macrium Reflect to copy your OS to the new drive too

The hard drive priority list is a submenu, near the bottom of the page usually

[graceful terrace]

Ihh

Ohh

Kay hold pls

I don't see a HD priority list 😕

[grizzled bloom]

What brand motherboard is it?

[graceful terrace]

Aorus

Gigabyte technology?

Lol

[grizzled bloom]

ofc it's the one brand that doesn't have that submenu

[graceful terrace]

Lol right?

Okay there's a boot override section here after I save and exit

[grizzled bloom]

Make sure boot option #1 is set to the Windows Boot Manager on the hard drive

Boot override would work but it's a one time thing, you have to do it every time

[graceful terrace]

Oh god

Okay

It is booting windows now

[grizzled bloom]

Overriding would work if you want to get into Windows just long enough to copy to the new drive

[graceful terrace]

Okay I think I know what I need to do 😂 put the SSD back in and use a different sata port

[grizzled bloom]

If the boot manager didn't show up as an option in the boot menu then the sata port was probably disabled yeah

[graceful terrace]

Yep that is the case

With the SSD out it works

[grizzled bloom]

Guessing my first instinct was correct, I need to head out so ping me if it doesn't work and I'll check in on you in a little bit

[graceful terrace]

Thank you so much!

[ionic beacon]

If anyone would be willing to educate me, I am having an issue.
I have a Ryzen 5 2600
AsRock B450M-HDV motherboard
32G Corsair DDR4 3600.
Saphire RX 580.
My pc refuses to run memory higher than 1067mhz.
1 XMP profile shows up but setting it, PC resets 3X and no changes are saved. I don’t know about adjusting timings manually…

I just replaced a set of Geil 2600 that had the same issue

I even tried using Ryzen Master to ashes the memory clocks but same result, 3X resets and no change, still only 1067 mhz

Ashes? Increase, I thought I typed….

[cursive epoch]

reset cmos

there's a cmos reset jumper or you can remove the bios battery and put it back in after a minute

[ionic beacon]

Ooooh, use the screwdriver to jump those connections? I saw it done before but not sure exactly where it is located in my board- prob on a schematic

[cursive epoch]

Yep, you can check the manual online

[ionic beacon]

Lol battery is prob my best bet.
Thanks so much for your assistance. I was running out of ideas

@cursive epoch really, thanks. I appreciate it

[cursive epoch]

It's all good. I hope it's fixed the problem at least?

[ionic beacon]

I’m at work right now, just trying to figure it out before I got home

[cursive epoch]

Ah, well then I hope you manage to solve it by then

[ionic beacon]

I will let you know in about 6 hours. Lol

[cursive epoch]

Bios battery is a little coin looking thing

Usually slotted below the pcie slots

[ionic beacon]

Yeah, my Sega Saturn had 1 too

Lost all my saved games when battery died. Poor design Sega

[cursive epoch]

That's old consoles for ya

[grizzled bloom]

You might also want to check the cmos battery voltage, that board is getting old enough to need a change soon. You can either use a multimeter or run hwinfo and look for jbat voltage.

[grizzled bloom]

Oh actually I just realized, you have a 2600. You'd have to be VERY lucky to run memory at 3600 without issues, since Zen+ does mclk=fclk and fclk probably won't work at 1800. 3200 is more realistic for that processor.

Some can't even do 3200 tbh

I'd be happy to help you tune the memory manually so you don't need to get another kit

[cursive epoch]

Oh I didn't see the 2600

[dull sluice]

So did I mess up or is this psu just not compatible with this mb? CX 750f rbg psu Corsair w/ x470 gaming plus mb?

[grizzled bloom]

Neither? That should be compatible. Just not the RGB since that motherboard only has the 4 pin, and not 3.

[dull sluice]

For some reason I can’t get it to turn on

The cord that is giving me trouble is the pcei

Only a few pins, fill the slots

[grizzled bloom]

Wait what

It should have 2 dual 6+2 pin cables

[dull sluice]

Nvm…

[grizzled bloom]

That's enough for literally every GPU short of extreme overclocking editions

[dull sluice]

I been at this for hours. I needed to turn the cord around.

Ignore me.

[grizzled bloom]

Oh yeah that does happen sometimes, I was about to ask for a pic lol

[ionic beacon]

@dull sluice sounds like something I would do.
Good luck

[compact zenith]

Im not an AMD owner, but came across this article, in regards to ASUS and AMD that doesn't look good.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/asus-issues-official-statement-motherboard-controversy/?amp

Lol, read Free before they got banned.

Anything with the words free and Nitro, tend to be a 99.999% chance of infection, hack, or all 3. (Deciding on what to name the third)

[grizzled bloom]

phishing

That's another common tactic

"Get free nitro just enter your info here!"

[compact zenith]

Hearing horror stories of game accounts getting hacked due to links used to scare the heck out of me, especially when my UO account got hit in 2001, with a keylogger built into the ICQ program I used to use. Now people losing their life savings using similar tactics. Only thing that saved me a few times, was keeping cards locked until I needed them, and no overdraft. Need to buy anything, I transfer exact over. Merchant tries a rebill, change price, or double charge, it's met with an instant decline, and purposely had my bank not add any card to primary. Primary has a set limit, so let's say someone did hack it, the moment they tried to do more than what I set, all cards all accounts lock.

Oh yeah, one thing I never did find out how, was 2013. My bank hit me with an NSF fee, which they refunded when an electronic check for $8,500 was presented. Only reason it was refused, was it wasn't a checking account. Fact they had my account # and routing, bank moved everything to a passbook type account, and closed the one effected.

[cursive epoch]

Just to add, discord is hosting an event where a user with nitro subscription. Not free trial, could give people free trials of nitro lasting for 2 weeks. They're celebrating the 8 years anniversary this month

I myself have gotten nitro just today from a friend with this special occasion

You do have to add a card to it, but you can just cancel right after claiming the gift. Your current nitro will remain until next billing cycle

[split copper]

I'd rather not tbh

Free trials are a headache

[cursive epoch]

Nah

[grizzled bloom]

That just sounds like a really bad idea. We're going to see a rash of these scam bots now.

[cursive epoch]

With discord it's painless lol

[split copper]

Yeah

[grizzled bloom]

If you remembered to cancel it's painless

[cursive epoch]

you can cancel right away

[split copper]

I hate having a time limit over my head

[cursive epoch]

I did just that

[split copper]

Makes it hard to enjoy and fully utilize whatever it is

Not impossible but hard

[cursive epoch]

And discord does prevent me, the one on free trial offer from being able to gift free nitro lol

I have clear date of when the fun ends

[grizzled bloom]

Idk I started with a free trial on nitro and decided it was worth $3 a month to enjoy discord a bit more

[cursive epoch]

I have never really worried about having nitro or not tbh

[split copper]

That's what I'm gonna do but with Nintendo so I can play first party games with my girlfriend again

[cursive epoch]

It's fun to have, but I don't have money to do it

Despite the 50% off regional pricing lmao

Full nitro is just $5 a month here

[grizzled bloom]

Now if they would fix the damnable mobile app that would be GREAT

[cursive epoch]

1.5 for normal nitro

[split copper]

I've never activated any nitro free trial or subscription

[cursive epoch]

It's never a pain with discord, cuz you can always cancel it all

[grizzled bloom]

There we go. Have to force quit discord every time I change servers.

[cursive epoch]

rip

For me discord android app never has crashes

But the text and scale messes up sometimes

Only happens on my redmi 8, not v30

[grizzled bloom]

This is why I nitro lol

[split copper]

Sometimes the app will get wacky and slow or have unresponsive touch after a while, so I have to restart it

[grizzled bloom]

I lose half my list of channels whenever I change servers, or just randomly. My emote list also gets screwy.

I also lose my long press menu constantly so I have to force quit to do an edit 💀

[split copper]

Long press menu?

On a server icon?

[grizzled bloom]

No on a message

[split copper]

Ah

[grizzled bloom]

Where it pops up with reply, edit, etc

[split copper]

Yeah

[grizzled bloom]

It pretends to pop up and takes the screen focus but then it's just blank

[cursive epoch]

Discord mobile issues seems to be different across many phones

[split copper]

That sounds about right considering how much variety there is with Android

[compact zenith]

I used to pay for nitro each year, until I think it was last year, where it rebilled, then a few days later went to charge card a second time which immediately got rejected. Wrote support a few times and after no response, bank delt with it. Only thing I heard after that was an automated message telling me their sad to see me go, etc etc and of better things to come.

Not in those words exactly, but close.

[pure cloud]

it is my opinion that a lot of people just jump to conclusions that the whole situation with the AM5 boards and GN's coverage and criticizing primarily Asus is the cause of all those open box motherboards at microcenter. if you look carefully at the full res picture from the actual reddit post (or, digitaltrends seems to be hosting a copy of the full sized image), you can actually see that quite a number of those boards are intel chipsets, and quite a number of them have the open box price labels that are dated from before GN even released their video about the failure analysis of the x3d cpus. Some of the price labels are dated from as far back as march, so if people want to believe that people were returning these motherboards back in march and early april because of videos released a week or two ago, then i don't know what to say...

there are a few other things relating to how microcenter was doing some cpu-mobo bundles that would have been far more likely to have contributed to this glut openbox motherboards at microcenter. one that was mentioned in the reddit thread is that they changed the deeply-discounted bundled motherboard with one of the CPUs from a z690 to a z790 model, but allowed buyers to directly swap a previously purchased z690 board for a z790 one that was being given with the new bundle. when the z690 boards come back, the can't be sold as new, so they get an open box tag. i posted in the reddit thread as well, but i was told by a sales rep that because of the way one of the recent cpu-mobo combos was being discounted at the register, it allowed for buyers to buy the combo, then return the motherboard at the full price, meaning that they effectively could end up with effectively like a $100-150 discount on just the CPU along. or, perhaps it's just pure coincidence that a large number of those open box boards just happen to be the same models that were being offered in the larger-than-normal cpu-mobo combo discounts in store...

[sudden creek]

10900kf vs 11900k which is better for server use?

11900K has 2 less cores but idk about ipc gains

[royal elk]

I would say 11,900k just cause it has integrated graphics

Oh wait

[burnt spear]

The 11900k is an 11700k with a higher clock speed iirc

[royal elk]

Wtf how did I not know about this

[burnt spear]

So I'd go 10900k or 10850k

[royal elk]

Yeah lmao

[sudden creek]

gotcha. Keeping an eye on ebay and amazon.com.mx for parts to upgrade my server.

[royal elk]

What were they thinking 💀

[burnt spear]

13400f would be a fine choice

And 12600k/13600k

[royal elk]

Inb4 your server is better than your main rig

[burnt spear]

But I'm assuming you already have a mobo

[royal elk]

If you're spending so much why not turn the 5700g into a server

And then go 13th gen for your main rig

[sudden creek]

How much would that be if I paired it with a cheap board?

[sudden creek]

Saving up to go 7950x+4090 for my main rig once I am back in China.

[burnt spear]

Not sure for Mexico

[royal elk]

Ohh damn

[burnt spear]

But around $200 in the us

[sudden creek]

for board + cpu?

[burnt spear]

Ah, more like $330 for a decent board

$300 for a ds3h

[sudden creek]

Mhmmm. 13600k is about $360 for me

12600k comes in at about $305

[royal elk]

13600k out performs my 5900x when overclocked

[sudden creek]

Oh I was literally just looking at the 5900x. lmao.

Is the 5900x also overclocked?

[royal elk]

Yeah 12 real cores might be nice

[royal elk]

Mine is yes

[split copper]

I was gonna say that I don't even know if I have 12 CPU cores in this house but I have 8 between my two PCs alone

[sudden creek]

how does 10900k perform against the 13600k?

[royal elk]

If you're doing vms or something

[sudden creek]

They cost about the same.

[royal elk]

13600k blows it out of the water

[sudden creek]

hmmmmmmm.

Would Linux know what to do with the P and E cores in a server environment?

I use Pterodatyl Control panel if it makes a difference.

[burnt spear]

What about 13400f?

13600k matches a 12900k

[sudden creek]

really?

[cursive epoch]

yes

[sudden creek]

can 13400 not be oc?

[cursive epoch]

nope

[sudden creek]

13400 is only $20 cheaper then 12600K.

Would I be better off just saving up the extra buck and going for a 7900x or 13700K for a bigger leap in perf? Server currently uses a 10700f.

They are basically the same price and seem like it'd be a better perf-dollar leap compared to a 12600k.

[burnt spear]

13600k very nice jump over 10700f

If the extra cores would benefit you, 13700/f/k/kf could be worth

[royal elk]

How are the ecores for servers tho

[sudden creek]

Would be used for around 3 heavily modded MC servers, ark survival evolved server, and in the future some discord bots.

[sudden creek]

This is what I'm concerned about.

Would Linux know what to do with those?

[royal elk]

Being that they're single threaded

[sudden creek]

Ubuntu is what the server uses.

[royal elk]

I have no clue

I dont do linux

[sudden creek]

Would the 7900x be a better option over the 13700K for server upgrade due to it only using P cores?

[burnt spear]

Yes

Mobo might be very overpriced tho

[sudden creek]

Didn't amd recently release budget boards?

Also, I won't be buying the parts till about 2 months from now most likely.

guess it's confirmed the 7900x will work with Ubuntu.

[royal elk]

If you're going 7900x then the 5900x comes back into play lmfao

Cause cheap boards and its like 250 used for the chip

[sudden creek]

what's the perf leap?

5900x vs 7900x against the 10700f.

[burnt spear]

I'd go 5950x if you can find it cheap used, otherwise 7900x

5900x not worth over 10700f imo

[sudden creek]

what's a reasonable price for 5950x used?

looking on ebay.

[royal elk]

Yuhh

[burnt spear]

I wouldnt go more than 350, but I'm not completely sure. I'd check ebay sold listings and compare pricing

[sudden creek]

5950x seems to go for about 300-350 on average before shipping

[royal elk]

Yeah other than multicore which it gets shredded in haha

But he's only doing game server right

[sudden creek]

3 heavily modded MC servers, website, and I will be adding a couple bots to it in the future along with maybe an Ark server for me and my friends.

[royal elk]

Oh so yeah

You could use the cores

16 core go brrr

[sudden creek]

I had a dedicated server in the past with the 3900x, all 12 cores were heavily used.

[royal elk]

Man I wanna learn how to set this all up

Once I go intel when 15th gen launches

This 5900x will be server

[sudden creek]

sounds neat

xD, I am quickly racking up chips.

[royal elk]

Frr

[sudden creek]

Once I am in China I will have a 10700f, 5950x, 5700G, 7950x, and a old skylake laptop cpu.

[royal elk]

I have older cpus 💀

[sudden creek]

Collection purpose?

[royal elk]

5900x, 4770k, 4670k and a 4500u laptop

[royal elk]

Benching

[sudden creek]

Intriguing.

Also, looked it up and it seems the only 5950x on Ebay that's sub-350 are bids which will be over in a few days.

So that's a no go.

hold up

found a few for a lil more then $350.

I've never used Ebay before, if the product is faulty will Ebay refund the money?

[royal elk]

They almost always take the buyers side

[sudden creek]

so if the cpu doesn't work on arrival I am unlikely to get my money back?

[cursive epoch]

No, you are very likely to get your money back

They side with the buyer

Buyer first, seller second

[royal elk]

Yeah

[sudden creek]

Oh misread.

Thought you said Seller.

[royal elk]

Nope

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, also it seems cheapest I can find is about $360 for a 5950x on Ebay before shipping

which is around $30.

Will I get charged for import fees from deliveries off of Ebay?

[compact zenith]

Your responsible for duty taxes. Problem when it comes to Importing that I myself had, was no one knew who to pay. Some orders just ended up coming to me, nothing else said. Other times, id either get a post card with info where to send payment, or very rare occasions, an actual phone call, asking for a cc#.

Stuff like seeds, $2 toys, Tshirts, that stuff tends to get to me no problem. $200 grow panels, got a call and had to pay about $390 in duty for five light panels.

[sudden creek]

ooof.

Import taxes in Mexico is 16% of the sum combined between the product cost and shipping.

So it can add up really quick.

[compact zenith]

That's the very bad part. If they don't have a five page invoice, that shows items value, they will look up their own. Meaning a cheap $80 graphics card, could be taxed at the $2k value of another. The above happened to me 9 years ago.

I also stopped buying hardware from China a few years ago. Purchased five blu-ray writers at $40 each. Three were DOA, and to ship them back, $400+. Don't understand how they can ship to me for free, yet shipping back, costs more than the item itself.

Oh, few months prior to that, my bank did a charge back, as company attempted a scam on 20 security cameras. They used a tracking number to prove delevery, and only sent software in a padded envelope, so bank saw completed tracking, and almost let them get away with it. I brought the envelope and copy of order to my bank, so manager could clearly see I paid for security cameras, and that envelope would never have held 1, let alone 20.

I know someone whose still waiting on a heat sink since December 2022.

From manufacturer.

[sudden creek]

ooof

[dusk vessel]

does choosing a specific ram matter?

or just take 32gb and call it a day

left or right

[fading citrus]

left

[dusk vessel]

Consider it done!

[sudden creek]

Right.

Well depends. Aesthetics go right. Value go left.

[dusk vessel]

Value ofc !

Aesthetics when i can afford it

[sudden creek]

I wish there was a DDR5 version of the Trident Z Royals.

[vast meadow]

Depends if you're eyes are broken xd, i find royals absolutely vile, worst ram kit by looks by far

[grizzled bloom]

Royals are stupid anyway. They charge 3x as much for the heat spreader design for what's usually a worse memory kit

[sudden creek]

Personally I like the aesthetic would do nice in my old crystal themed PC.

Which had gems along the entire bottom and sides.

Amethyst, sapphire, emerald, etc.

[vast meadow]

Ehh

[grizzled bloom]

Not worth paying $180 for a 32GB kit of 3200c16 though

[amber canopy]

definitely not 💀

[grizzled bloom]

I wish I was kidding, this is after things got cheaper https://pcpartpicker.com/product/F8QfrH/gskill-trident-z-royal-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-32gtrs

The same specs are $60 on other kits

[royal elk]

Love me some cdie

3600 c18 at 1.35v lmao

[sudden creek]

That we agree.

[amber canopy]

smh people spending hundreds on ddr4

just buy ddr3

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/we-bare-bears-dance-dancing-ddr-gif-5746459

[eternal helm]

You bought it all how are we supposed to find any

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-laugh-gif-23588521

dont worry, you can always buy my binning rejects off me

[grizzled bloom]

Speaking of binning rejects... post loop again

💀

[amber canopy]

[amber canopy]

@royal elk

drip

[royal elk]

Super

[sudden creek]

Pretty cool.

How do those heatsinks perform?

[split copper]

They're super talented

[amber canopy]

you make me ever so slightly irritable

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-moana-youre-welcome-maui-dance-gif-15810606

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-gif-20534893

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/pmmm-sayaka-gif-20384315

[split copper]

I like the way the chips are so tightly packed

[ionic beacon]

@grizzled bloom sorry, I had adulting things to do today, I should have free time today. Thanks again.

No timings on that RAM?

[amber canopy]

they just didnt put it on the label lol

it's probably jedec PC3-12800 or something

[ionic beacon]

I just found it a lil odd

[grizzled bloom]

It's 1600 1.5v, ECC registered ofc

Someone thinks they're sitting on gold https://www.ebay.com/itm/403801050149

[ionic beacon]

And I thought DDR4 was costly

[amber canopy]

lol my guess was right

[grizzled bloom]

I bet you could identify DDR3 by smell at this point

[split copper]

What now

[tall iron]

Hello, I was wondering what the best mobo would be for ddr5 ram and a i7 13gen would be

[grizzled bloom]

What's the budget, and do you need CPU overclocking?

And country

[tall iron]

No over clocking and budget somewhere between 250 350 range and USA

[grizzled bloom]

Do you need any extra features, like front panel USB C or wifi?

[tall iron]

Usb c yes WiFi no I’ll be using lan cable and at least 6 or 8 usb

I was looking at the ASUS ROG Strix Z690-E

[grizzled bloom]

One of these would match well https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/nCGbt6,mPt9TW/

Z790 and B760 go better with 13th gen since you don't need a bios update for it to work, and it'll run faster memory

[tall iron]

Ok thxs

[sudden creek]

How big of a perf gap is there between the 10700f against the 10900K or 11900kf in all core loads?

[grizzled bloom]

10900k has 2 more cores so it's at a natural advantage

(but still loses to the 5950X)

[sudden creek]

5950x is tempting except for I would need to buy another Mobo.

Which would quickly stack up costs.

I gtg to sleep, will figure this out tomorrow.

[vast meadow]

Not enough to pay for their pricing

[burnt spear]

@lime quartz

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-notification-gif-26201686

[sudden creek]

honestly how I felt last night.

[amber canopy]

[royal elk]

By like a massive amount too lmao

[sudden creek]

Probably gonna hold off on upgrading CPU for a bit. But out of curiosity how much is massive?

To upgrade to a 5950x compared to a 10900k will cost me nearly double due to also having to buy a board + import fees.

[grizzled bloom]

Massive is like double on multicore massive

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3862vs3730vs3870vs3869/AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X-vs-Intel-i9-10900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5900X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X

32 threads vs 20 will do that

Even the 5800X beats the 10900k in multicore

Ryzen 5000 just straight embarrassed Intel in 2020

[sudden creek]

So double the cost of upgrade but with double the perf.

[grizzled bloom]

Or get a 5900X instead and still get massively more performance

[upper aspen]

7800x3d beats 13900KS, 7950x, and 7950x3d for gaming right?

[cursive epoch]

Sort of

Sometimes the 7950x3d comes out on top

[upper aspen]

idk what to get price isnt really an issue

[cursive epoch]

IMO I would not get AM5 as they all have vsoc issues

aka risk of cpus burning up

[upper aspen]

but thats a smaller percentage of cases right?

[cursive epoch]

You have to watch vsoc and never let it exceed 1.35v

Nah, the cases aren't really uncommon. You can rma the board and cpu if it does happen, but that's time wasted waiting

[upper aspen]

im happy to take my chanes

Im gonna go with a high end mobo and psu so im not too worried