cpus-mobo-and-memory

[grizzled bloom]

Right right

[vast meadow]

BUT

[dull flint]

what a weird number

that's like, worse than jedec

💀

[vast meadow]

It means micron can finally push 5600mhz without manual oc

[vast meadow]

It is jedec

[grizzled bloom]

They're engineering samples so can't expect too much

[dull flint]

ur a jedec

[vast meadow]

[dull flint]

IT'S SO HOT

[vast meadow]

I mean there's jedec 3200mhz cl 26 ddr4 i think

[grizzled bloom]

Yep usually see that on laptops

[dull flint]

cl22

[vast meadow]

Cl22 is the best 3200mhz jedec

But there's other jedec latencies

[dull flint]

ur a jedec

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/wasd-gif-20770452

Literally me

[dull flint]

ewwwww

[vast meadow]

Get it cuz Corsair can't run XMP

[dull flint]

turned off now

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-laugh-kek-intensifies-kek_intensifies-gif-10111909

[dull flint]

come back when u kingston fury me

[vast meadow]

They didn't have any gifs for that :(

https://tenor.com/view/kaanflix-kaanfli̇x-zargoryan-marul-gif-18793993

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-isabelle-rip-and-tear-video-game-gif-16716710

[vast meadow]

Here

You get some weird ass text with it

@dull flint be happy now

DI DI R4

[vast meadow]

DEAD

Sir what in the abomination is that

[dull flint]

idk you posted it

the ram dance ig

[hard leaf]

seems like heavy booting

[vast meadow]

Oh i see it's a screenshot

[hard leaf]

just saying

[dull flint]

brb stress testing my ram

https://tenor.com/view/kaanflix-kaanfli̇x-zargoryan-marul-gif-18793993

[vast meadow]

Your DI DI R4 or your DI DI R5?

[dull flint]

di di r5

https://tenor.com/view/didi-didicao-zaaz-dog-cachorro-gif-20779949

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/didi-didibraguinha-diogo-braga-diogomrg-mrg-gif-13826257

Whos didi idk

But they approve

[dull flint]

didi is the people that give me taxi ride

I've gotten very used to this keyboard

I had to retype that sentence 3 times I'M DONE

[vast meadow]

Vroom vroom?

[dull flint]

yea vroom vroom letters

PLS BE STABLE

STUPID RAM

7800 PLS PLS PLS

[vast meadow]

Woahhh

[dull flint]

THEN TACHYON IS USELESS

[vast meadow]

LEAVE DI DI ALONE

They did nothing

[dull flint]

I'll didi u in a minute

taxi cab u to me

[vast meadow]

Don't bring the kids into this 😤

[amber canopy]

sounds like user error

[bronze summit]

English only

[dull flint]

nah ux is just that ass

7600 typical max

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-cad-bane-im-in-control-i-make-the-rules-now-im-in-charge-gif-22136412

[silent folio]

Anyone recognize this asrock motherboard model?

[dull flint]

B550 taichi by the looks of it

[silent folio]

thx, looks a little off but pretty close

[dull flint]

no wait

x570 taichi

it's def the x570

[grizzled bloom]

The SAG

[silent folio]

thats it, thanks!

[grizzled bloom]

That poor GPU!

[zinc aurora]

Hello again, a friend want to upgrade to a 13600k (from micro center) but can’t decide whether to go with ddr4 since it’s cheaper but will not be future proof or go with ddr5. Unsure whether it’s actually worth it.

If ddr4 would be his choice what mother board would be a good choice, and vice versa with ddr5

[dull flint]

ddr4 imo

cheaper and not particularly any slower

there are some things...but not for the price you pay tbh

[eternal helm]

Microcenter may have some good d5/board bundles

They sometimes do

[zinc aurora]

Alright any good ddr4 boards?

[grizzled bloom]

13600k takes about a 10% fps cut on average using DDR4 instead of DDR5

That does assume that the game is CPU bound (like at 1080p), at higher resolutions that won't matter much

[rapid thunder]

What's the best CPU to pair with an RX 580 to get the best from both without bottlenecking and wasting performance?

[hard leaf]

bottleneck will exist in some form or another, you cant get rid of that

any ryzen 5000 or intel current gen is ok to pair with that, either 12th or 13th gen

5600, 12400, 13400, and so on

[cursive epoch]

gpu will be the bottleneck, but it's fine

that's an old gen gpu paired with new

[hard leaf]

if you want a 0 bottleneck (ideally) you should pair it with an older cpu... which is a waste anyway (ryzen 2000/3000 or intel 9/10th gen)

older gpu + older cpu = no bottleneck

[cursive epoch]

but rip to future upgrades

[hard leaf]

Its way better to have an older gpu + newer cpu = gpu bottleneck

and that will give you the upgrade path later on

for a better gpu

[cursive epoch]

CPU bottleneck is hell

stutters and stuff

[hard leaf]

i have a 0 bottleneck scenario with my 750ti paired with my 4770 😄

i think

[grizzled bloom]

There's no such thing

The bottleneck will change by game

[hard leaf]

i hate you so much falcie

[grizzled bloom]

[cursive epoch]

[scenic solar]

Was wondering if I can change a 4G LTE mini pci/pcie module for a GPS one. Will there be any problems on my Dell surface?

[grizzled bloom]

What's your Dell service tag number

[scenic solar]

If you're interested in the model it is a dell venue 11 pro (m5y10c, 4/128gb), I'm not sure which one is the serial number in the photo...

@grizzled bloom I also found a mini pci module with both GPS and lte 4G/+

[grizzled bloom]

ST is service tag

All the Dell related websites go by service tag for replacement parts, manuals, etc

[grizzled bloom]

That 4G M.2 card looks so weird to me but I think they just used a non-standard width. The M.2 slot and length look standard to me. It should work in theory.

Assuming of course the GPS module isn't much thicker than the 4G module and the GPS module uses B-key

[scenic solar]

I checked but there were no results for the 7 char service tag so I thought it was something else

[grizzled bloom]

You need to search specific sites, not just Google

Like here https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us

[scenic solar]

It is not a m.2 slot, it is a common mini pcie that's also used in laptops or other small form factor pcs

Wait, I got a photo of the back of a similar dell surface

[grizzled bloom]

It's this, from a wholesale parts site https://www.parts-people.com/index.php?action=item&id=20314

You can enter the service tag there and see it's the OEM replacement

[scenic solar]

The one on the bottom right, it's not a m.2

[grizzled bloom]

... that's the wifi card

Not the 4G

[scenic solar]

Yeah I know but the connector it's the same if I remember correctly

The same as the lte 4g card

I can always check if you want

[grizzled bloom]

Pull out the 4G card (left)
Count the pins on the short side

[scenic solar]

And i guess I could simply change that without any problems
Was only wondering if it would have been supported or just required proper drivers to work

[scenic solar]

I'll let you know later, now I don't have time to

[grizzled bloom]

If it's M.2 then it should work, but if it's mini-pcie then it's a tossup

6 pins on the short side should be M.2 B key

5 is M key

There's also B+M cards with 2 short sides, one has 5, one has 6

[scenic solar]

Yep, i know the pinout
However it is like the one in the photo, I'm 99% sure

Btw I have only 2 antenna cables, and this module has 3 connectors (if I buy this specific one) can i simply connect main-gps?

I'm not planning in using a SIM in my surface so I guess I should go like that

[vast meadow]

The cpu you have right now might be good enough also bottlnecks just depend on the game, resolution, what settings you're playing etc

This very interestingly shows the difference in amd vs nv driver overhead in some games

https://youtu.be/OsA52DkP8WU

[rapid thunder]

I’m thinking of building a mini rig and one of the spare GPUs I have is a 580. I have an A8 7600 APU somewhere but I’m not sure if that even works right so I was thinking of the best cpu to pair with the GPU. I’m somewhat inclined towards a Ryzen 5 3600 as the prices have come down a fair bit.

[vast meadow]

I'd probably go for a 5600, ryzen 3600 prices are usually the same or more (new at least) and there's plenty of itx boards for am4 which is nice

[burnt spear]

I'd just do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gyfbzf

[vast meadow]

Mini rig would imply itx usually

That's only matx

[burnt spear]

Ah mb

There's a $120 asrock itx board with wifi tho

[vast meadow]

Yeah I'd personally lean for 6 cores if they have the budget for it

[burnt spear]

Eh, pairing with a 580 won't really matter, unless they plan to upgrade within the next couple years

[scenic solar]

Just checked, on this pc it is a m.2 slot for the current lte nodule. (It's something like 6+20 pins) It is a SATA m.2 connector, but I don't remember which one has the m or b key

[leaden reef]

is a crome book laptop good to use

?

[vast meadow]

for day to day office use and stuff chromeOS does great

[grizzled bloom]

B key has the 6 pins

[naive pendant]

What would be the best MOBO for a 12600kf or k. I need bluetooth & plenty of ports for a few rgb fans, maybe a future wifi adapter & all that. Not really worried about wifi. I'm trying to keep it bellow $220 & even maybe $200.

[grizzled bloom]

DDR4 or DDR5

[naive pendant]

DDR4

[grizzled bloom]

One of these should be good. https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/mcmmP6,WQBG3C,m9Fbt6/

Personally I'd do the Asrock Extreme, more lights and lots of headers

[naive pendant]

Doesn't the Legend have about the same but is cheaper?

[grizzled bloom]

Basically yeah. I'm not a fan of the silver but that's just me.

[naive pendant]

What's this exactly?

1 x 1 Gb/s (Intel I219-V)

On the Extreme board

[grizzled bloom]

The ethernet? It has 2 ports, one is 1Gb the other is 2.5Gb

[naive pendant]

Oh alr, I'm sorry. Not very tech savy & forget on some of those specs.

I'm probably gonna get the silver one. It has almost all the ports that I need.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it's a nice board overall

[naive pendant]

Should I stay with 12600kf or go ahead & pay about $58 more for the 13600kf?

Is it worth it? I think my budget should allow it.

U know what, f* it. Ima stay with the 12600kf. I know I'll be paying more for cooling & power.

Nvm

[grizzled bloom]

If you're going to be playing at 1080p it might be worth the upgrade to 13600k but otherwise you'll be GPU limited in most cases anyway

[scenic solar]

Could you help me find a GPS module with the m.2 b key? I can't find one... :/
Doesn't matter if it's used or new, but it'd be better from Amazon, AliExpress or eBay

The current one is the one on the top right of the photo

[scenic solar]

It'd also better if it is below 20€ else that wouldn't be worth it, I could just use a 25-30€ external usb GPS module

[grizzled bloom]

You could try this https://www.ebay.com/itm/232357731740
It's an older model ofc since it uses HSPA+ (3G) but you said you wouldn't be using that anyway. GPS tech doesn't change much so that should still work.

[scenic solar]

Ok, btw I need GPS just for my drone since I'll be using the pc as the remote
Thanks for your help

[scenic solar]

Found the same one from Germany so I don't have to pay for shipping

[scenic solar]

Just bought the one from Germany for a total of 11€
I'll keep you updated and see if it'll work fine

[naive pendant]

Does the ASRock Z690 Steel Legend WiFi 6E ATX LGA1700 Motherboard have bios flashback for an i5 13600kf?

[vast meadow]

yes

[frosty depot]

If going from 12th gen to 13th gen without upgrading any other component.. should I reinstall windows?

[hard leaf]

no need most of the time, still is a good practice to do a clean install to avoid any issues

like dduing just in case

[frosty depot]

Alright. Luckily I have everything on my game ssd.

[vast meadow]

Nah unless also changing chipset

[frosty depot]

Alright. Inb4 I start having issues where PC won't restart correctly.

[vast meadow]

Nah that's because of contact frame or something

[frosty depot]

Reapply the frame thennnn

[vast meadow]

I did

[frosty depot]

Rip

[vast meadow]

Gonna try the stock ilm again

[frosty depot]

No bent pins on the CPU? Your socket looked funky in the pic you posted a bit back.

Unless that's the lighting, but idk.. socket looked weird.

[vast meadow]

There's a tiny bit of paste but wasn't a problem before don't think pins are bent

[solar beacon]

Is it worth going to 5800x3D, if you have a 5900x and a 7900xtx? (1440p)

[dull flint]

kind of for gaming but not for anything else

money might be better spent on an M28U tbh

[burnt spear]

28in 4k :p

[solar beacon]

Ah ok. Well, I generally want to stick to 1440p for the high refresh rate for games that needs it and playing some games with RT. Tho I guess I'll still be using the 5900x

[burnt spear]

Yeah imo I'd just wait to go to a new mobo, cpu and ram with 8000 series amd or 14th/15th gen intel

[zinc aurora]

Hello again so, I got the new parts, I have a question, so I have an m.2 nvme with windows 11(where my pc boots from) should I wipe it and install fresh on the new motherboard ? I can’t find much about this topic other than there’s is a 50/50 chance it might not boot or that it could bring issues in the future if I were to just plug it in as is.

I Don’t want to erase all the data because i have some important stuff like schoolwork and game data.

[hollow thorn]

If you have your windows key tied Microsoft account, 90% of the time it'll just work

Clean install is always nice for various reasons but not necessary for just swapping Mobo

Windows key might be tied to Mobo sometimes but if you tie it to Microsoft account you should be fine

[zinc aurora]

Ah okay. It shouldn’t have an issue in terms of drivers then?

[hollow thorn]

Mobo drivers might be weird and you will prob need to install new ones for your Mobo, but other than that, it should be fine

[zinc aurora]

Alright then. Thanks

[formal bolt]

Installed 5800x3d and new cooler, any idea what to do

[cerulean wadi]

If bitlocker wasn't used, hit Y

[formal bolt]

My keyboards arnt working for some reason

Just tryed 3 different keyboards

And ports

Weird

Nvm just had to restart it

Alr everytging working thanks

[potent mountain]

ayo, i built a pc but it aint booting up

like

everything powers on but it aint going to a bootup screen and its not seemingly sending power to the periferals

fans spin and rbp lights up tho

[cursive epoch]

What's the specs of your build?

Is there any lights being lit on the board?

The debug leds

[potent mountain]

ryzen 5 5600x

gtx 1030

lemme check hol on

[burnt spear]

Also what mobo

[potent mountain]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8YgFrD

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S redux 70.75 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI A320M-A PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($46.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair iCUE 220T RGB Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($124.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GX2 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $278.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-06 23:52 EST-0500

ryzen5 5600X

[potent mountain]

no

[cursive epoch]

Oh A320

That's OOF

Instantly needs another cpu to update bios

I would just return everything and rebuild with a new list

[cerulean wadi]

Mobo swap to maybe b550 is really all that's needed. edit: eh, psu C tier so could be worse, lol. If not mobo swap, gotta find a cheap 2600/3600 or such to update bios then swap in 5600X

[potent mountain]

BRUH

[potent mountain]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/drBG3C/amd-ryzen-3-4100-38-ghz-quad-core-processor-100-100000510box this work?

[cerulean wadi]

Ironically I think not.

[potent mountain]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/J8drxr/amd-ryzen-3-3200g-36-ghz-quad-core-processor-yd3200c5fhbox ichecked and this one doesnt require an update

[cerulean wadi]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/A320M-A-PRO/support#cpu correct, basically just need 1 that says it needs bios v10 instead of v16/v17 like here:

[potent mountain]

ok ok

i found an ebay listing for that cpu at $69

i can buy it update and then return the cpu

[cerulean wadi]

lol, possibly. For that price make darn sure it can be returned. Many sellers have restock fees or such for some items also.

[potent mountain]

thank you

[potent mountain]

Return policy
After receiving the item, contact seller within 30 days Refund will be given as Money Back Seller pays for return shipping
You are covered by the eBay Money Back Guarante

think im good

[cerulean wadi]

Even if you had to pay return shipping that's not a bad idea, that or spend the time/energy swapping to a better mobo & avoid having to install 2 cpus.

[cursive epoch]

^

A320 is pretty old and crap

[amber canopy]

honestly x79/x99 > a320

in every way

[bronze summit]

Ofc NOT

[grand elk]

Just bought a 4070ti, what would be a good cpu to match the gpu? Currently have i7 9700k

[hard leaf]

if you bought a current gen gpu then its kinda obvious a current gen cpu will pair it well

a 13th gen or a 7000 amd cpu

[grand elk]

Fair enough, any recommendations for motherboards?

[hard leaf]

that depends on your cpu

on which platform you choose, and the kind of workload you do

for only gaming is either b760 or b650

even z690 depending on the price

If you need mass nvme storage then its either z690/z790 or x670

[grand elk]

Leaning towards intel, just gaming

[dense patio]

I've got these 2 sticks of ram. I want to swap out the black one for the red one.
It'll be going onto a Asrock AB350 gaming-itx/ac mobo.
As far as I'd be aware, this should be fine. But wanted to get a second opinion seeing as the first like if each stick is different.
Not sure if that'd simply just the part number or not. Other then that, the speeds the same and the CL numbers

[sudden creek]

So long as they're both DDR4 and your Mobo supports the speed your fine, just not recommended to mix/match ram.

[sudden creek]

Long answer short, yes there's no problems.

[grand elk]

What brands are these?

[sudden creek]

It's a specification not brand.

For example, z790 would mean you'd have everything you need on a Mobo and then some and anything else the brand might wanna add onto it.

[sudden creek]

An I5-13600K or I7-13700K would pair nicely with the GPU.

[grand elk]

Ohhh ok, I didn’t know that. I searched z690 and got all kinds of results

[sudden creek]

Yeah the z690/z790 are a specification.

[dull flint]

13600K pairs well with a z690 pg riptide lately as it goes cheap.

Or this board
https://computers.woot.com/offers/msi-pro-z690-a-ddr4-motherboard-4?ref=w_cnt_wp_0_2

[grand elk]

Would an I9 13900k be overkill?

[dull flint]

Yes

[sudden creek]

For most people yes.

[dull flint]

Would add nothing to a gaming experience whatsoever

[sudden creek]

It's only practical if your doing workstation loads or trying to push 240+ frames on a game with the 4090 for E-sports.

[dull flint]

Not even that

Over a 13600K 95% of the time it's equal in games

[grand elk]

Yeah I mean I just play video games, no editing or anything like that

[sudden creek]

Isn't the 4090 bottlenecked by the CPU currently in 1080p high refresh?

[sudden creek]

Yeah a 13600K will do just fine then.

[grand elk]

Just discord, and maybe 5 or 7 Firefox tabs open and whatever game I’m playing

[dull flint]

Bottlenecked in 1440p and in some 4K instances yes. But missing the point

13600K and 13900K game within 1% of each other

[sudden creek]

I see.

[dull flint]

Only in fringe cases like RTS or something crazy heavy is where the 13900K will show it's chops

[grand elk]

Ah ok will look into it. Thanks

[dense patio]

Awesome, thank you

[grand elk]

2-3% in speed increase from i5 to i7? For like 100 bucks more

[sudden creek]

Extra cores in the I7 are for multitask workloads so for example 3D modeling.

But yeah small gains in gaming.

[grand elk]

Didn’t realize how strong i5s have gotten lol

[hard leaf]

not like that

[grizzled bloom]

The biggest factor to the rise of the i5 is when they toggled on hyper threading

[hard leaf]

its because games heavily lean on single core performance, and these days from i3 to i9, share the same single core performance

[grizzled bloom]

HT used to be exclusive to i7/i9 but now even the i3 has it

[hard leaf]

you can play the almost the same form i5 to i9 in the same generation

but i7 and i9 have a lot more cores for other tasks

plus a sligthly higher boost clock, which is totally doable by ocing the i5 anyway (K version btw)

[vast meadow]

Competition yayy

[valid canyon]

Does anyone know of DDR4 memory that’s RGB and 34 mm and under? I doubt it exists but worth a shot

[vast meadow]

Why do you need it to be so small?

[valid canyon]

I have an ATX motherboard in my 220T rgb case with a 240mm AIO right above it

The ram I have now is some random all black low profile ram that BARELY fits (literally less than a mm of clearance)

Wanted to spice my build up a bit

[vast meadow]

Ahh, can you jot move the aio to the front?

And smallest i could find is like 37mm

[valid canyon]

Possibly, but relatively soon I’m going to be getting a GPU that’s gonna be a tight fit for the front

If I still have clearance I’ll try it out. Could you send me the 37mm you found?

Simply curious

[vast meadow]

Some of the lowest i found where:
Oloy blade rgb
Geil orion rgb
Mushkin Redline Lumina
I can't remember which was exactly shortest but you can google the height

[valid canyon]

Awesome, thank you for the help

Appreciate it tons!

[vast meadow]

Np

[sudden creek]

Following AMD's history do you guys think that within the next 3 years after the release of the 7950x3D would AMD release another AM5 cpu that's faster?

[cursive epoch]

maybe

[vast meadow]

Ofc

8950x3d at absolute minimum

9950x3d most likely

Possibly a 10950x3d or something

[sudden creek]

They release that often?

Was wondering because I am considering going the AMD route to save save from having to buy a new Mobo every generation.

[vast meadow]

Every year usually

Ryzen 5000 being the exception cuz they where waiting for ddr5 prices to drop

[sudden creek]

Ahh so that's why.

But yeah, if AMD's 7959x3D comes out on top I think I will get that with a nice Mobo to avoid buying a new Mobo for each generation which would add up a lot after 3 years.

[pale fox]

would the Intel Core i5-10400F bottle neck my pc as if I have a 3060?

[sudden creek]

Are you looking into buying a CPU or do you already have the 10400f?

[pale fox]

already have

[sudden creek]

Ahh I see. It shouldn't cause any bottlenecks I don't think.

[pale fox]

okie

should I be worried if it bottle necks my pc?

[amber canopy]

it doesnt, your combination of hardware is fine

the CPU and GPU anyway

[sudden creek]

Worst case scenario if you do experience bottlenecks the 10700f is pretty inexpensive to upgrade to. That's what I have and doesn't bottleneck even my 3070.

[pale fox]

ah okay

thank you 😄

[amber canopy]

you wouldnt need to upgrade for gaming lol

and it'd be a waste to buy a whole new CPU on the same socket

[sudden creek]

Just giving the man some reassurance.

[amber canopy]

saying that does the opposite

[sudden creek]

Mhmm to each their own I guess.

[pale fox]

kekw but does it matter with the ram?

[amber canopy]

even if your memory was running at jedec, it's pretty much fine

whatre you using right now

[pale fox]

2x16gb

[sudden creek]

What speed?

[amber canopy]

what's the XMP

[pale fox]

3600

[sudden creek]

What's the cl?

[pale fox]

18

[sudden creek]

Your doing more than fine then.

No issues with the ram.

[pale fox]

ah ok

[vast meadow]

Btw wouldn't buy a 3060 unless it's used, new pricing for them sucks, you could get a 6650xt for under 300 and it's better

[vast meadow]

Bottlenecks don't harm anything just means your being limited in performance by something

[formal bolt]

currently got this for ram speed what should i upgrade to?

[sudden creek]

What speed does your motherboard support?

[formal bolt]

no idea

how does one check that

[sudden creek]

Lookup your motherboard's name and on the manufacturer's site it will tell you.

[formal bolt]

ok

3533+

i plan to upgrade motherboard in the future tho

[sudden creek]

Odd number, what's the board?

[formal bolt]

B450 steel legend

[sudden creek]

What CPU do you have it paired with?

[formal bolt]

5800x3D

[sudden creek]

Some 3600cl18 ram should do just fine then.

[formal bolt]

alr

whats cl18 mean

[sudden creek]

How many cycles it takes for the ram to process a packet of data essentially.

[formal bolt]

oh

cas latency?

[sudden creek]

Yes.

[formal bolt]

alright thanks for the help

[sudden creek]

Np.

[vast meadow]

if your ram supports higher, enable xmp

[formal bolt]

whats that

[vast meadow]

The thing that actually makes ot run at advertised speed in bios

[formal bolt]

ic

lemme check it then

[sudden creek]

Picture it as a program that overclock your ram for you at advertised speeds.

[formal bolt]

is there a way to check what it is

cant find when i bought it

[vast meadow]

there should be a sticker on the ram

or just boot to bios and see if theres a xmp option

[formal bolt]

alr

if i get ram thats more then my motherboard can handle will it be an issue?

or will it just use what it can

[sudden creek]

It would just run the ram as fast as it can.

[formal bolt]

alr

[vast meadow]

dont run above 3800mhz on ryzen

if xmp is more

just turn on xmp and manually turn down to at least 3800 if not 3600

[formal bolt]

Why

Not run above that

[vast meadow]

ryzen has infinity fabric which runs best synced and on ryzen 500, can hardly ever run above 3800mhz ram

and if it doesnt run 1:1 with ram it looses perf by a lot

so youd actually be better off with slower ram

[cerulean wadi]

@slim olive Well the 12400 went through cinebench nicely (ez temp check vs occt/P95). Top left is a single-core run. Only 62c peak on one multi-core run. 76c peak after 10min passively. bottom/right temps is me slapping the 140mm fan into center of FS140 for another run. Picked up a decent 500pts just on that, lol.

Yea this will be awesome. 74w peak is very surprising also. Thought it was more like 100-120, but cool. I might adjust PL in bios or w/e to get another 100-200mhz on 3+ core loads if possible. Also seeing how close to 3600 in G1 I can hit. 3500 wouldn't boot, but I didn't change anything else to compensate.

[grand elk]

Is this anything to worry about?

[vast meadow]

Yes, that motherboard doesn't have bios flashback so unless you or your friend has a 12th gen cpu you can't update the bios for it to work with 13th gen cpus

[grand elk]

Ok I’ll have to find a different mobo then

[vast meadow]

Z790 will work out the box or, any of the asrock, msi or gigabyte z690s have flashback

[grand elk]

Does it just come down to preference and like m.2 needs?

[vast meadow]

Kinda and weather you're getting ddr4 or ddr5 although i wouldn't get any of the 150$ or below asrock boards for a 13700k

[grand elk]

I currently have ddr4, I was looking at ddr5 this morning and was referring to the CL speed and MHz spreadsheet in the pins section

And the ddr5 I found seemed slower than what I currently have

[vast meadow]

What do you currently have cpu and ram wise?

Also that sheet is an approximation and doesn't count for differences in ddr gen

[burnt spear]

These are good kits to go for
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/d7t9TW/gskill-trident-z-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239g16gx2-tz5s
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cnbTwP/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl32-memory-f5-6000j3238f16gx2-fx5

[grand elk]

Fair

[grand elk]

i7 9700k - 32 gigs cl18 3600

[vast meadow]

Eh I'd just get a 13600k(f) and bring forward your current ram or wait for next gen

[grand elk]

Why kf

[vast meadow]

It's the same but usually cheaper just doesn't have an integrated gpu

[grand elk]

So 12 to 16 cores isn’t that big of a deal?

[vast meadow]

Depends what you're doing but gaming not a huge diff, also it's not the best idea to list the cores like that as it's 6 p cores and 8 e cores to 8p cores and 8e cores
P cores being the traditional ones and e cores being still very powerful but sip power

Although you'd be gaming on the p cores

You'll also get hyperthreading which you won't be used to from the 9700k

[wide estuary]

hello i wondering if anyone can help me i cant seem to find a perfect mobo for me could any help me a suggest a motherboard with can go with the i5 9600kf and is matx

[grizzled bloom]

Do you want overclocking or fast memory support?

[wide estuary]

i would like to over clock i i am fine with any ddr4 mem speed

[grizzled bloom]

Ok you'll want a Z390 board then, one sec

USA?

[wide estuary]

no uk

will it fit my matx case?

[grizzled bloom]

There's mATX Z390 boards yes

It'll just be a bit tricky to find since they're 4 generations old

[wide estuary]

thank you ever so much for your help then

are there any cheaper alternatives?

[grizzled bloom]

Well for the price of a Z390 mATX or ITX board which is looking to be at least 250 pounds, unless you're ok with used (I do not recommend, bent pins happen), you could get a new B660 board and 12100.

That'll still support your DDR4 too

[wide estuary]

a b660 and a 12100 with surport my cpu also?

[grizzled bloom]

No that would be a CPU upgrade

The 12100 smashes the 9600kf in literally every task and it's the lowest i3 of the last generation

[wide estuary]

oh right

will a b365 surport the 9600kf beacuse you see i just bought the 9600kf for about £70 and i realised my mobo doenst surport it when some1 told me it does so i would just like to get a mobo that suports it beause i just want to upgrade from my i3 9100f

[grizzled bloom]

Option 1: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155151354996
Option 2: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7HWhDc

B365 will work with a 9600kf but it will not allow overclocking or memory speeds higher than 2666

[grizzled bloom]

Which motherboard do you have? I'll double check compatibility lists. You might just need a bios update.

[wide estuary]

where can i check that again sorry im new to pc stuff hahah

[grizzled bloom]

Run this and check the mainboard tab https://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/cpu-z_2.04-en.zip

[wide estuary]

give me a sec then

[grizzled bloom]

If you can't decode it DM me a screenshot since you're still a white name

[wide estuary]

o

ok

it is a prime h310m_a

r2.0

[grizzled bloom]

Yep that should support a 9600kf as of bios version 1404

[wide estuary]

how do i do that then

[grizzled bloom]

Latest version https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/BIOS/PRIME-H310M-A-ASUS-3202.ZIP?model=PRIME H310M-A

[wide estuary]

what do i do whith that link

[grizzled bloom]

You'll download that and extract it to a USB drive. Then you'll go into the bios and tell it to update using the extracted file.

[wide estuary]

ok lemme go a try and find one now thank you

you might find me again asking questions soon

[grizzled bloom]

It's weird though because the 9100 is also supported from the same 1404 version

But an update doesn't hurt

It'll reset the cmos to default values as part of the process which is probably what really needed to be done

[wide estuary]

ive got a usb hard drive

because when i put my new cpu in nothing came up

[grizzled bloom]

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[grizzled bloom]

Any USB drive would work but it does need to be FAT32 formatted

[wide estuary]

how would i do that beacusepreviously i used it in my xbox but it has all been cleared]

[grizzled bloom]

Are you able to get into Windows?

[wide estuary]

yes im on windows now its just when i put my usb drive in i cant find it

oh now

[grizzled bloom]

That's easy then

[wide estuary]

nothing happened when i put in my new cpu in my just turned on then nothing

[grizzled bloom]

That's fairly normal and expected since the bios has information about the old CPU still saved in storage (cmos)

[wide estuary]

oh right so would do i do from here then

[grizzled bloom]

Clearing the cmos as above might help

[wide estuary]

ok

so i just remove the battery put the cpu in the put the battery back in?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep, you'll just wait a few minutes between

[wide estuary]

ok no problem

[grizzled bloom]

At least 5 but preferably 10-15

[wide estuary]

thank you so much you are brilliant help thank you

[grizzled bloom]

No worries, I enjoy helping

[wild bolt]

Hello, quick question trying to buy a larger m.2 ssd as a gift, I built her computer 5 years ago and not sure if it supports PCIe. Is it possible that her computer does NOT support PCIe?

Since it’s a surprise I don’t have a way to go on her computer and check which motherboard she has especially since I’m at work

[vast meadow]

Not if you where using modern parts from 5 years ago

It might not have an m.2 slot

Which is the one for pcie(nvme) ssds

But you can use an adaptor

Or just get a sata one

[wild bolt]

She currently has a Samsung EVO 960 m.2 there

But not sure if it’s PCIe or if they even had that at the time

[vast meadow]

That drive is PCIE(NVME) yes her pc at least has one m.2 slot

They'll also have at absolute minimum 1 pcie slot under the cpu socket

Usually at least 3

[wild bolt]

So in other words,l my question…she has a m.2 slot, it’s not possible that I buy her a new one that is PCIe and it will not work?

If I don’t know if her 5-6 year old computer may support REGULAR m.2 but NOT PCIE?

[vast meadow]

Her current ssd is pcie, which is the interface, m.2 being the form factor

When ssds use pcie they use the nvme protocol

[wild bolt]

Ok cool thanks!

[vast meadow]

No problem

The only issue is they might only have one m.2 slot for ssds

So you might wanna check before buying another drive, should be able to buy a ~20$ pcie x4 to nvme adaptor though

[wild bolt]

Damn you’re right

Going to have to wait until I’m home and check which motherboard it is…oh well lol

[wide estuary]

Thank you for your help earlier everything has gone great

[grand elk]

This was the same friend of a friend that told me to not get a 4000 series gpu

[vast meadow]

LOL

[grand elk]

Told him I was going to get the i5 or i7 that you guys recommended

[vast meadow]

Yeah much better idea

[grizzled bloom]

i9 over i5 these last few gens has been just 5% more performance for 200% more money

[sudden creek]

Unless you're doing workstation work an I9 is overkill.

I do more workstation stuff then gaming nowadays which is why I plan to get either the I9 or 7950x3D depending on which performs better.

[grand elk]

This is exactly what I said

He responded with more cores is better

[grizzled bloom]

7950X3D will probably game better but the extra cache doesn't help workstation stuff much, and the reduced clocks on half the cores will hurt.

[grand elk]

And the i7 13700k has 16 cores

So why is he saying 24 cores is so much better

[grizzled bloom]

Show him this

Sure the highs are slightly better but those lows...

[grand elk]

Anymore ammo you can give me? LOL

[vast meadow]

any cpu video from gamers nexus or hardware unboxed with the 13th gen cpus in them

[grand elk]

Ok I’ll pull up their channel

Thanks again fellas

Told him it’s 2/3% faster based on benchmarks and stuff

Is this guy just dense? It’s a friend of a friend

[long geyser]

If they like their cores so much, just get them to buy this 72c/288t Intel CPU from 2016.
https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/xeon-phi-7290.c2047

Prolly will say either "but that is different, you dont see my point" or "that is a different generation, so it doesnt apply to my point"... This dude is taking one piece of the thousand piece puzzle and thinks it's the entire puzzle.

[vast meadow]

over like 8 cores doesnt really matter to gaming

[limber dragon]

I5 with a 4080 would out perform a i9 with 4070ti is pretty much any game

[hard leaf]

i9 is a big waste of money for gaming honestly

games will use 4 to 6 cores at most, they love single core speed tho

you can slightly oc an i5 and it will perform better than a stock i9. Hyperthreading is bae

[wild bolt]

Finally got home. These are the specs for the motherboard….are there 1 or 2 m.2 ssd slots on this?

Hmm can’t upload picture to this channel….it’s a z270 Extreme4

[hard leaf]

asrock?

[wild bolt]

Yeah

[hard leaf]

2 m2 slots

[wild bolt]

On the manufacture specs it says only 1 the top then further down says 2 ultra m.2

If it’s 2 that’s great

[grand elk]

this is our back and forth

[hard leaf]

be advised.... 2 m2 slots, but only one is for an nvme pcie gen 3

the other one is sata

[wild bolt]

Ahhhh….

Was about to say I don’t see it

[wild bolt]

Hmm to throw out a 500gb and only get 1tb….it’s a gift

[hard leaf]

lawl, 20 logical cores on a 13600k tho

you can do plenty of things with that

e-cores are amazing

i7 or i9 is only justified if you do video editing or blender heavy workloads where more cores are king

for gaming+streaming an i5 is plenty

[wild bolt]

Not sure what that means hehe. Bit of a noob. Wondering if it’s worth getting a regular 1tb and not an m.2 if that means I’ll have to basically throw out the 500gb that’s in there

Regular 1tb ssd that is

[hard leaf]

nvmes are way cheap these days

you can get an mp33 1tb at like 55usd

or a 2tb for like 90usd

[wild bolt]

But speed for gaming is pretty slow compared to m.2?

[hard leaf]

only for loading, like 5 seconds vs 10/12 seconds

[wild bolt]

Ok then sounds like I’ll just do a regular Sata then

Only problem is she has this giant cooler master thing covering the whole motherboard not sure if I have to take that off to get at the sata slot

[grand elk]

appreciate your input

[wild bolt]

This channel won’t let me post a picture of it?

[hard leaf]

just chat more, you'll eventually level up

😛

[grand elk]

very nice and helpful people here @wild bolt

[wild bolt]

Yes very happy for the help

[hard leaf]

kinda, she is still upset about the last time -.-!

dont listen to her

[wild bolt]

Trying to look through the case to see where that sata is on the picture. I think this giant plug cooler master on the front is covering but can’t tell

[hard leaf]

those are the sata ports

[wild bolt]

Just worried I get the sata and I have to take off this giant cooler master thing to even install it

[hard leaf]

you plug them from the side

[wild bolt]

Ok I see it now, the giant Getz card is covering the slots in the picture

[hard leaf]

almost every mobo has them on that right corner

[wild bolt]

GTX*

[hard leaf]

unless you have a stupidily large gpu

[wild bolt]

It covers the whole width of the mobo right over the sata slot

Needless to say I didn’t build it lol

[hard leaf]

then you have to remove the gpu to connect the sata cable, then put the gpu again

its a chore, but.... thx nvidia for that

[wild bolt]

I want to say there is a few milimeters between the gpu and the sata input

Does the sata drive stick out? Cause if it does there wouldn’t be room to put it back

This is impossible to explain without pictures

Cause of the way this case is set up

[hard leaf]

dm me some pictures so i post them here no problem

at least until you level up

cable management at its finest

glorious 4770+750ti

chad hogwarts pc

[wild bolt]

Says I can’t send you a message Rav

Try to message me and I will try to reply

[hard leaf]

sent you a friend request xD

too lazy to look at the discord configuration

yeah, by the look of the first screenshot, the drive bay is at the back

usually the sata cables go thrui that grommet

and plug the hard drives/ssd on the other side

[wild bolt]

So I’m that closeup picture you can barely see the sata sticking above the gpu

[hard leaf]

yeah, you need to take out the gpu to plug a sata cable to the mobo

thats a big gpu

[wild bolt]

But will the cable fit barely any room to put the gpu back lol

Like I couldn’t fit my pinky between the gpu and the sata

[hard leaf]

it will fit

[wild bolt]

So just making sure if I remove the gpu that I could even fit it lol

Ok then perfect

1tb evo for $80

[hard leaf]

no

thats expensive

look for an mp33 1tb

[wild bolt]

Those are m.2?

[hard leaf]

yes

[wild bolt]

I have to use a sata because the 1 m.2 is used

I must be confused lol

[hard leaf]

oh

oh

right

you were talking about the evo 870

[wild bolt]

So it’s either I throw out the m.2 that is there or get a sata and ADD 1tb

Yeah

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WMP5B5N?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[hard leaf]

samsung drives are good, but overpriced for what they are

much like c*rsair

[grizzled bloom]

Well... there's exceptions. Like the 980 Pro.

Firmware bug is killing those left and right

[hard leaf]

yup

990 too

[wild bolt]

Ooo that’s much cheaper damn

Maybe I should splurge then and get 2tb from that brand

[hard leaf]

falcie saving the day :3

what a chad

[grizzled bloom]

😎

[wild bolt]

Splurged on the 2tb $97.99 screw it.
Thanks for the help Rav and the price tip Fal.

[dull flint]

Hm, GN's 13400 review is pretty convincing

5700X just in a different colour basically lol

Differences don't seem to be big on productivity either

[grizzled bloom]

Well yeah the 5700X was equal to the 12600k and the 13400 is just a renamed 12600k without overclocking

[dull flint]

I'll be honest I've always considered ADL a little better than Zen 3 tho

We talk about it all the time here, the single thread advantage

[lyric turret]

Whats a program to test my ram if its bad or not

[cerulean wadi]

Testmem5, or the occt ram test isn't bad.

[vast meadow]

Test mem 5 but only with some profiles like pcb destroyer or extreme anta

[toxic trout]

Hello, Newegg sales and support sent me here to ask about compatible moterboards and intel 13th gen CPUs. Is this right place?

[copper solar]

yeah

[toxic trout]

Does newegg provide some help/support here, or is it just other customers?

[copper solar]

just other customers, but a lot of the people on here are techy savvy

just dont give anyone here your payment information

just listen to their advice

[toxic trout]

I think I've figure it out, but, would appreachiate a second opinion...

I bought a MB and 13th gen CPU...and it doesn't even boot. Reading a bit more the BIOS is probably too old.

And no way to upgrade the BIOS. So I return the board.

[copper solar]

which motherboard and cpu

[toxic trout]

ASUS Prime Z690M-Plus D4 LGA 1700(Intel® 12th&13th Gen) microATX

Intel Core i3-13100F Desktop Processor 4 cores (4 P-cores + 0 E-cores)

I think this article answer my question...

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-600-series-boards-for-raptor-lake

I need MB that can upgrade the BIOS WITHOUT a CPU

[copper solar]

what does the motherboard box say what the installed bios is

[toxic trout]

I've returned it already.

[copper solar]

ah ok

[toxic trout]

It clearly didn't even POST, beep or do anything.

[copper solar]

odd

[toxic trout]

I initially asked for an RMA, but just changed it to a refund. I should have done more research, so I want to get it right this time.

[vast meadow]

Nope it makes sense

[copper solar]

B760 would be decent for a 13100F and you wont have to worry about bios

[toxic trout]

Let me see what B760 is...

[vast meadow]

For 13th gen you need a b760/h760/z790 for out of the box support or the 600 series board needs bios flashback

Btw i would return the 13100

It's basically a 12100 but a small bit better and a bit more money

[toxic trout]

For I need it for, the 13100 is perfect - I know it seems odd.

But the 'game' I run is single threaded, I know odd, but that is the best chip for my single use app.

thank you Pato, I will look at those boards.

I like ASUS boards...This looks promising...

ASUS Prime B760-PLUS D4 Intel B760(13th and 12th Gen) LGA 1700 ATX motherboard

[copper solar]

if thats y our budget and has enough usb ports and features for you then go for it

[toxic trout]

Thank you for your help.

[lyric turret]

So waht do i use occt ram?

[cursive epoch]

that's not occt ram test at all

it's testmem5 with pcb destroyer or extreme anta profile

[zinc aurora]

Hello again, so after running cinebench updating drivers and gaming on it, it seems to be working fine. It runs hot tho, as it’s 60-66 while playing mw2 2022. And it’s around 46 on idle. But something that worries me is that for example, after a match, the cpu spikes to 72 degrees for a few seconds then goes back down to 60-66 is that normal? It also happens when in I’m afk.

I ended up getting a 5800x since it was cheaper than going with 13 Intel gen at micro center I am also using the noctua nhd15 because the artic freezer 2 does not fit in my case

[cursive epoch]

60-66c is completely safe

72 is also safe

many cpus can handle up to 100c before the system has to shut down

[grizzled bloom]

5800X is the hottest processor on AM4 socket

[cursive epoch]

and ^

[grizzled bloom]

The fact you can keep it under 80 is a blessing in itself

[cursive epoch]

amd is a little crazy in saying 90c is fine but that's my opinion

5800x normally runs around 80-90c under load

so like falcie said, it's good that you got temps this good on that thing

[grizzled bloom]

Mine is liquid cooled so my idle is lower but my load temps are similar. It's fine.

[cursive epoch]

cpus aren't made of human skin after all

60c would burn us real quickly lol

[zinc aurora]

Ah okay that’s a relief, i appreciate it guys

[vast meadow]

I would recommend tm5 on one of the profiles I mentioned but occt ram with maxed % is an option i usually do tm5 then occt

[vast meadow]

paniks in overpriced republic of gamers

[hard leaf]

rog memory sticks yay!

[amber canopy]

How much are they lol

[vast meadow]

yes

[upper aspen]

ROG POG RAM

[dull flint]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/basics-how-we-test-memory-kits-from-now-on-reference-configs-with-all-current-ddr5-ics-and-ddr4-g1-in-synthetics-and-no-games/

[amber canopy]

Where ddr3

[bronze summit]

Old tech

[sour shard]

Is there a modern motherboard that lets you disable individual NVME drives?

Dell lets you do it on their laptops.

[hard leaf]

yes, a lot in fact

you can disable the slots

[sour shard]

I need a z690 one that will but I can't find one in any of the youtube videos I have seen when I look at advanced. Could you suggest one?

[grand elk]

I should probably get a motherboard that has ddr5 compatibility if I get a 13700k cpu, right?

[burnt spear]

If you're gaming, I would just get a 13600k

[dull flint]

Even in cases where you can stretch to a 13700K, DDR4

[grand elk]

So just stick with ddr4 for now?

Kinda thought of just getting a board for ddr5 for when/if I go to it

[dull flint]

Yeah especially if you already have some decent kit

Nah ddr5 will get cheaper

next time you upgrade it'll be better

[grand elk]

Cl18 3600 right now

[dull flint]

Those are fine

[grand elk]

Decent? I think

[dull flint]

Absolutely fine. Might need to play with the bios a bit to force gear 1 or otherwise run them at like 3400 but they'll be plenty fast

32gb yes? Or 16gb

[grand elk]

32

2 16gb sticks

[dull flint]

Yeah those are perfectly fine

[grand elk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7dKKHx/msi-mag-z790-tomahawk-wifi-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mag-z790-tomahawk-wifi-ddr4#

This mobo good?

[dull flint]

What's your total budget and what's the pc for?

[grand elk]

Reasonable for budget, just gaming

[dull flint]

Give me a number and I'll make something

[grand elk]

For an entire build or just cpu/mobo?

[dull flint]

Entire build

[grand elk]

I’ll DM you my build now

[dull flint]

DM's are closed

It's 3am i want a budget number reeeee

[grand elk]

2k

I don’t need an entire build tho lol

[dull flint]

Oh you're only upgrading part?

[grand elk]

Yes

[dull flint]

Hm ok, what aio have you got

Also what psu and gpu

If you have that list handy now's a good time lol

[grand elk]

Have list of old build

[dull flint]

Sure

[grand elk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L3vkQ6

Have a 4070ti now

Everything else is still accurate

[dull flint]

Interesting you could probably just get a board cpu and nvme there with no problem

[grand elk]

Oh I have a m.2 ssd as well

Forgot to add it a while ago apparently

[dull flint]

Oh what m.2 is it

[grand elk]

Samsung 980 pro? I think

[dull flint]

Ah ok

I'd probably do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4bQJRv

Reason is for gaming you come within like, 2% of an i9

And you can overclock quite a bit with that aio using this cpu instead of the i7

[grand elk]

Damn that mobo is almost half the price

[dull flint]

Ye

It just needs a bios update which takes like 5 minutes and only needs a usb

[grand elk]

Do I need 1700 bracket to use aio?

If I looked in the proper place I don’t think I do

[dull flint]

Yeah you might need one depending how old it is

[grand elk]

3 years old

[dull flint]

Ah yeah good chance you'll need one

[grand elk]

Ok

Appreciate your help

[dull flint]

[compact zenith]

I'm just finding out that those scam hard drives aren't the only thing coming off of Alibaba. Their are $300 RTX all in one systems, that have only a board in them, similar to cherry pi boards.

.
Crazy question. Neighbor wants to buy a cheap PC to plug in his kids keyboard and midi system. Told him to just build a system, as the prebuilts tend to have only one expansion slot, at least the ones I seen. When he said he can just buy a cheap PCI express splitter, I was about to say that won't work, then said let me get back, since I really don't know. I was thinking of my z390 and bus issues, which I don't have on my z690. But far as a midi and keyboard system, isn't using a PC with one expansion slot using a splitter a bad idea?

[amber canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ycb6o9Gxs&ab_channel=IcebergTech

[grizzled bloom]

If they end up with a mATX board, which is probably what you're thinking of, one x16 slot would be used by the GPU and if you're lucky you get another x4 slot, often just x1.
In addition to bandwidth concerns you also have to consider that the motherboard has to support bifurcation to split the slot at all. Many consumer boards don't, that's more of a high end or niche feature.
What might work is an old workstation. But not too old. X299 probably.

[limber dragon]

x299 is still expensive af

[amber canopy]

The boards are definitely getting cheaper

Some cpus are as well

[grizzled bloom]

PSA https://youtu.be/kUi37kKdQIU

[frosty depot]

Thank you for this.

Almost feel this is pin worthy.

[grizzled bloom]

It's not widespread enough yet for that imo but still worth watching for

GN asked for other samples of fake ones so we'll see how bad it is in an update video later

[amber canopy]

[grizzled bloom]

I feel like I'm missing some context there

Was there something about this 12 year old processor or are you pointing out it would be easy to etch a 1 in front of that?

[amber canopy]

look at the substrate

[grizzled bloom]

I can barely even see anything, it's too blurry

[amber canopy]

thats on your end then

[grizzled bloom]

So the answer is yes I'm missing some context

[amber canopy]

look at the keying

and well the ihs for that matter

the overall visual appearance of the 2600k

[grizzled bloom]

Oh it's rotated

What is it really? A core 2 quad?

I'd scan the barcode but again, too blurry

[cursive epoch]

looks like an lga 775 cpu

[polar zenith]

What is a good kit of ram that’s 32 gigs? (2x16 gigs)

[vast meadow]

For what cpu and what country?

[naive pendant]

Does anyone have this RAM? Is it any good & how fast is it?

[grizzled bloom]

Is this for Intel or AMD?

[naive pendant]

Intel

I5 12600k

Z690 mobo.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6H3J3y

Replace the ram in the list with that, would it be any good?

[dull flint]

Super meh, pass

[grizzled bloom]

It's fine but you can get better

[dull flint]

And for that build no way

Go ddr4

Save that money and wait until you upgrade your cpu as well to something better

[grizzled bloom]

If you plan to upgrade to 13th gen later it's worth getting DDR5 now but if not the 12600k is perfectly happy with DDR4

[naive pendant]

Alr. I'm just testing things & kinda asking around for what parts would be best.

[naive pendant]

K cool.

[dull flint]

Even 13th there's not really any benefit in throwing 300 usd for maybe 5% gains

[grizzled bloom]

It's more than 5% though

[dull flint]

No it's really not

You need faster ddr5 xmp to make it more

[grizzled bloom]

Fair 5600 is pretty slow

[dull flint]

For 300+ a new cpu you could get 14th or 15th gen in 2 years and more affordable ddr5 and have a way bigger benefit

12600K is perfectly fine

Or heck sell the gpu and upgrade to a 6950XT

That's a much bigger upgrade

[grizzled bloom]

You can get 6000c36 for the price of that 5600c36 too https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/pwxRsY,XsqPxr/

[dull flint]

I wouldn't get any of the 3 cos samsung lol

Poorly aging ddr5

If you're picking ddr5 you really should pick a hynix kit so it can last more than a few years being relevant imo

[naive pendant]

Someone also suggested me this

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4bPQzy/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl28-memory-f5-5600j2834f16gx2-rs5k

[dull flint]

Much better kit

But still, you're not gaining much for the money put in

If you knew your stuff and could sit down to overclock it properly? Sure, some nice gains

But much easier to throw that $300 difference into a better gpu with no real effort

Or even better a 4070 Ti

Cos you need to buy the mobo too in this case

Whereas a 6950XT/4070Ti would be closer to double your fps instead of up to 10%

@naive pendant
https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6950-xt-rx-695xatbd9/p/27N-0002-00172?Description=6950xt&cm_re=6950xt-_-27N-0002-00172-_-Product

You could get away with this one on an rm750e but so long as you keep the cpu and gpu stock

Or undervolted if you know how

Then sell the other gpu

Ez gains

[naive pendant]

Alr

Thx guys

This community & communities like you guys are awesome!

[naive pendant]

Hello everyone I am upgrading my pc and when I was installing my motherboard I noticed a wire came out of the pin on the cpu cable and I can’t find a replacement anywhere. Can anyone help I have a lian li sp750 power supply

[zealous pond]

Is 80 ⁰ safe for an I59600k?

[amber canopy]

yes

[sudden creek]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-tested-in-blender-geekbench5

Article I just found.

[hard leaf]

the whole article resumed in a single paragraph

we know nothing

[sudden creek]

yep, lmao.

[hard leaf]

you cannot draw conclusion of the 3d v-cache on synthetics benchmarks, you need actual games to test it

because, the 3d v-cache is meant for games

not for production workloads

[amber canopy]

what does it have to do with it being "meant for games not production workloads"?
you could make the argument that because of how games vs "production" workloads utilize a CPU, the result isnt totally accurate, but still

whatever you mean by "production workloads" anyway

[hard leaf]

like productivity applications, was clear on the 5800x3d that those dont take advantage of the larger l3 cache

[hollow thorn]

Cinebench best productivity

[amber canopy]

cibnebenc

wow ic ant tpyie

BRUIHBJ

BRUH

[hollow thorn]

I need a translator

[sudden creek]

Would the 3D Cache make the 7950x3D better for game servers compared to it's non 3D variant??

[lyric turret]

What dpo i do form here

[vast meadow]

hit load config and exit then pick extreme anta or pcb destroyer

[lyric turret]

Now im good?

Whats taht program called again to test my ssd?

[frosty depot]

https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/
https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskmark/

[amber canopy]

CrystalDiskInfo checks SMART info, CrystalDiskMark tests read/write speeds

[lyric turret]

Got it ty

mk so memmory is fine ssd is fine.. gpu is fine

Not sure whats causing bad performance now lol

gonna pay powergpu 75 to optimize my pc to see if they can figure out what the problem is

uhh this is my hdd> its prtty low

[hard leaf]

thats sata normal speed

btw dont "test" that much nvmes. it will hit hard on the lifetime of your drive

well... not hard, but it adds up eventually

[lyric turret]

yea i wont

The per o core control and per r core controll

I think@I disabled them but i have to enable them for windows 11 right?

Shoudl should I have fast boot disabled l or enabled

@grizzled bloom

[vast meadow]

that "control" just refers to manually overclocking them

[lyric turret]

Oo okay

Hopefully switching to win11 solves my pc issues

[vast meadow]

whats the issue

[hard leaf]

yeah im wondering that as well

[lyric turret]

No idea brotha, so I fully resetted my windows and that fixed the issue for a bit like when I move in video games it feels like 60fps not 200+ it isn’t smooth like it was in the beginning of the reset of windows. Iv done so much troubleshooting, Iv replaced CPUs a brand new ram set RMA my gpu issue is still there. It shows I’m getting 200+ fps but it feels like crap

[hard leaf]

first thing... if you are using an e-core cpu you should use win11

period

[lyric turret]

I7-12700Kf

So I’m guessing I should use windows 11

[hard leaf]

yes, you should

win 10 is out of the question, unless you disable the e-cores manually

which i wont

[lyric turret]

Alrighty, then I should update to win11 should I do it factory reset to win11 or just do it by the update panel

[hard leaf]

either way works

then you should elaborate a bit further on your issue

stuttering maybe?

[lyric turret]

Maybe but it it doesn’t freeze like a stutter

[hard leaf]

getting 200+ fps but feeling like 60 fps is not very explanatory

[lyric turret]

When getting 200 fps it suppose to feel like it but it doesn’t feels like 60fps when I look around it feels like 60hz

Not sure if you can tell in this video

Choppiness and not smooth 1 but

Bit

[lyric turret]

^

[hard leaf]

that seems like a v-sync problem

at least to me... have you tried to limit your fps to your monitor refresh rate?

also checked if your monitor refresh rate is unlock on the windows display settings? monitors are set at 60hz by default when you plug them the first time

you need to set them to their maximum yourself

[lyric turret]

Yea, I have amd free-sync on in the amd software and my montior is amd premium freesync

[hard leaf]

and your refresh rate is at their maximum on windows display settings?

[lyric turret]

Yea I set it to 240

[hard leaf]

happens on every game?

could be a blur setting in the game

[lyric turret]

Yea eveyr game

[hard leaf]

auch

yeah your video seems kinda choppy

but all the troubleshoot the guys made here points that your system is pretty ok

[lyric turret]

Idk if it’s Amd software freesync causing issues with my montior premium freesync

[eternal helm]

you check adrenaline?

[hard leaf]

yeah after i saw your video is more like ghosting instead of stuttering

[eternal helm]

"Radeon chill" and all that?

game profiles?

[lyric turret]

Yea,

[hard leaf]

thats why i thought in v-sync problem

[hard leaf]

have you tried tinkering with those "disable" settings to see if one solves your issue on games?

[lyric turret]

Yea

[hard leaf]

well, im out of ideas sadly 😦 ill keep looking from the sidelines if any of the techies can pinpoint your problem 😦 sorry 😦

[lyric turret]

All good, ty got your tips

[lyric turret]

yea radneon chill is off

[lyric turret]

So the update is already done for win11

Is there anything I should turn on or off in windows

And the problwem is still here after win 11 install lol what a joke

[hollow thorn]

What if it's a monitor thing, tried different response time settings on monitor? Low response time settings can sometimes increase overshoot by a lot

[lyric turret]

i havent tried this but i mean i can set it to 165hz..? and wym try if response time

[hollow thorn]

On the monitor osd

Usually there's either like an overdrive or response time setting

Try different settings on that

Monitors have a sweet spot between low pixel response time and low overshoot

Actually you could try this and look at it to see if it's ghosting or some other problem @lyric turret
https://www.testufo.com/ghosting

[lyric turret]

it isnt ghosting bc that doesnt make since.. its like bad fps lol

[hollow thorn]

Dunno I'm looking at the video and it looks kinda like ghosting lol

[lyric turret]

i clicked on this link now what?

[lyric turret]

i recorded it from my phone so it could be that

[hollow thorn]

Look at the UFO, can you see a trail behind a UFO or no

If there's a trail, that's ghosting

[lyric turret]

Nope

[hollow thorn]

Here's the explanation
https://blurbusters.com/faq/lcd-motion-artifacts

[lyric turret]

Ooo

Yea there’s no trail

[hollow thorn]

Hm

[lyric turret]

I’m unsure

[hollow thorn]

If it looks wonky, it might be some other kind of artifacting

If not, back to something with the game

[lyric turret]

its on every single game i play lol

feels like crap

[hollow thorn]

In-game fps is fine and refresh rate behaves as expected right?

[lyric turret]

I mean it says I’m getitng 200 fps but it for sure feels like@im getting 30

[hollow thorn]

What monitor is it?

[lyric turret]

m27qx

ok so now my mouse corsor is running at like 60hz

it isnt smooth on just the screen

restarted it fixed it

[hollow thorn]

@lyric turret Using the OSD, go to overdrive, and set it to picture quality

like this but with freesync on