cpus-mobo-and-memory

[brazen forge]

What do you mean?

[hollow thorn]

VRMs might not be good enough to run the chip at reasonable speeds

[vast meadow]

also unless you get it for close to nothingits not really worth buying

[warm dune]

I don’t even know how or why my cpu was like this the other day

[vast meadow]

the up time?

[warm dune]

No the speed

[vast meadow]

oh eh try restart pc just a error

task manager is pretty unreliable for speed n stuff

[warm dune]

Yea I restarted it and it fixed itself, but that’s crazy how it was saying 25ghz

[amber canopy]

25ghz

[grizzled bloom]

26 even

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-charger-cars-racing-driving-ride-gif-17969019

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/pfsf1968-gif-20195301

[hard leaf]

82c on the gpu.... ouch

[frosty depot]

If I forget to turn my case fans up it adds another 5-7c depending.

[warm dune]

I’m on a laptop so yea it’s gonna be high

[bronze summit]

Why is it green

[warm dune]

Also what would you recommend for me to get to display everything correctly instead of using task manager

[bronze summit]

That's actually cold

95C 🥵

[warm dune]

If I touch my laptop for long enough I could burn my hand

[bronze summit]

Well yea that's like sticking your hand in the oven while it's on

[frosty depot]

Because I changed it to that color so at a glance I could see what my temps are.

[bronze summit]

But how

[frosty depot]

Right click which one you want to change > Customize Values > Font Box > Click the color box > pick color

You can also Bold or Italic the font.

[bronze summit]

I wanna make mine red hahs

DANGER

[frosty depot]

lol

[fickle oyster]

Guys can I ask for help in here?

[grizzled bloom]

Sure

!ask

[devout moth]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[fickle oyster]

This is basically it. Was switching out ram and never done that before, first time since putting in the original ram and noticed it said 2133mhz and 3600mhz and am confused about what’s the actual speeding it’s running at and how to change it to 3600 if it is in fact running at 2133

[grizzled bloom]

Turn DOCP profile 1 on

Then F10 save and exit

That's it

[fickle oyster]

What does that mean? Docp?

[cursive epoch]

DOCP/XMP are ram overclock profiles

It exists to make sure the ram you get is running at advertised speed

[fickle oyster]

Oh so it will default to 2133 for the motherboard and to run the advertised speed I basically over clock it by selecting that profile?

Oof. Still shows 2133mhz

[cursive epoch]

You have to apply and save it

Exit and save changes

[fickle oyster]

Yeah I did. In the last pic it shows the profit

Profile*

[cursive epoch]

hm

I would boot into os and verify

[fickle oyster]

Into OS? Like just normal boot up? I assume I would check task manager then

[cursive epoch]

Yep

I would check with CPU-Z too

[fickle oyster]

Cpu-z. I think I’ve heard of that program. Okay I’ll boot in and see what it says. If it says 3600 then I just disregard what it says in the bios info?

[cursive epoch]

Ya

Or if it says something like 1800

Then it's working fine

CPU-Z usually reports half the speed because of double data rate

[fickle oyster]

Do I download zip or the setup file?

[dull flint]

What you've done is correct here. The asus uefi bios will display the SPD of the dimms (the default speed, which is 2133) but you've selected the XMP profile under D.O.C.P

Which is 3603

(3600)

SPD is basically what the chips run straight out of the factory prior to any binning for XMP

(not the whole truth but the basic idea)

So yeah boot up CPU-Z and if it says 1800MHz under the memory tab then it worked and you're good

[fickle oyster]

I think we’re good then. Says 3600 here though I wonder why it says 27gb available? I’m assuming the rest of the 32gb is cached or something and put aside

[dull flint]

Yeah you're good

[fickle oyster]

Thanks a ton boys and girls. I really appreciate the help you’ve given

[dull flint]

It'll say 27GB available as the rest is dedicated to windows/background tasks

[fickle oyster]

Looking good I think

[dull flint]

Yup you good fam

[fickle oyster]

thanks again to all who helped, i really appreciate it. ❤️

[cerulean wadi]

Yep, a usual thing. 4GB cached and:

[vast meadow]

Hwinfo64

[brazen forge]

What motherboard would be recommended for an intel i9 11900KF thats not extremely expensive?

[burnt spear]

do you already have the cpu?

[brazen forge]

Not yet. Its coming around start of January. I looked it up and it said my motherboard was compatible with it but when I asked on here to make sure someone said something about it theoretically being compatible but not recommended cause of something called VRM. I have the Gigabyte B560 motherboard currently

[burnt spear]

can you cancel the order?

[brazen forge]

the cpu order?

[burnt spear]

yes

[brazen forge]

yeah but why

[burnt spear]

13600kf all around beats it

[brazen forge]

wdym

is the 11900KF not good?

[burnt spear]

no

the 13600kf beats it in multi core and single core performance

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QFPq9r

[brazen forge]

So it would be better for gaming?

[burnt spear]

far better

11900kf is only worth it at like $200

[brazen forge]

Ill look into it. But is my current motherboard compatible with the i9 though?

Its been at $200 before?

[burnt spear]

what exact model

[burnt spear]

no

but it isnt worth more than it

because other cpus outperform it for cheaper

[brazen forge]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08X6KQSZ1/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2Y5U0XPH5G1GE&th=1

[burnt spear]

could even get a 12600kf, that beats it too

[burnt spear]

exact model of mobo

[stone magnet]

Should I get an i5 12400f or ryzen 5 5600x. Paired with rx 6600

[brazen forge]

Gigabyte B560

[burnt spear]

model

that is a brand and chipset

[burnt spear]

5600 non x

[stone magnet]

Ok

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P2V74s this costs less than just the cpu

and beats it in single core and multi core performance

[brazen forge]

How do i find the model of the motherboard?

[burnt spear]

system information

type that into windows search bar

[brazen forge]

oh ok

[burnt spear]

and then look for baseboard product

[brazen forge]

I cant put picture

[burnt spear]

dm me it

[brazen forge]

sent it

[burnt spear]

it is compatible but it will not work well

ds3h is not a great motherboard

[brazen forge]

oh

[burnt spear]

I wouldnt put an 11900kf on it

[brazen forge]

So i should get a new motherboard?

[burnt spear]

i would get one of the two lists i linked

yes

[brazen forge]

ok ill do one of them. thanks

[vast meadow]

If you already have the board and can't return it, i guess check your VRM temps in a stress test and see if they're getting too hot, if not eh it woll be fine

Can always try slapping a small fan on the vrms too

[amber canopy]

A bit of airflow can do wonders

[brazen forge]

K I didnt order it yet but im gonna get the i5 13600KF with that motherboard. I put all my other current parts of my old PC in a builder and there doesnt seem any major issues. Thanks

[fickle oyster]

Ah I see. Thanks my friend. Appreciate the help

[glass zenith]

I got a simple a320m-k just for a budget upgrade, but with the actual CPU pricing i can get a 5600G instead a 3600, it's compatible? I know in the CPU compatible List say it is, but still double checking

[dull flint]

Go 5600

[vast meadow]

You'd be better off getting a 5600 non g if it works, be just an fyi first gen boards have a harder time with ryzen 5000

[dull flint]

5600G is like, basically a 3600

Lmao

5600 however is not and quite easily faster

[glass zenith]

I mean the G it's an upgrade from the actual setup, a low-end gpu R9 270? something like that

[vast meadow]

You don't have a graphics card?

[dull flint]

I would do 5600 and use the 270 tbh

If you're low end gaming then stick to that for a little while longer until you can get an RX 6600

[grizzled bloom]

R9 270 is roughly twice as powerful as the Vega iGPU in 5600g

[cerulean wadi]

Speaking of cpus, check out the old "3770" getting maxed out updating Steam games. On a positive note, my 300 to 400 Mbps internet upgrade is definitely confirmed. Extra 60ish Mbps is a common thing at these speeds.

[grizzled bloom]

3770 could never conceive of such download speeds and is struggling to comprehend this new reality

[cerulean wadi]

Sure was much lower cpu % even at 300Mbps. 3ish days of much rain so if not w/ UPS tomorrow then I'll finally test the 12400T build. Just realized i7-3770 & gtx 660 are both from 2012. What a thought.

[cursive epoch]

that's a mood with my laptop's cpu

i upgraded its wifi card and it can now download faster than the cpu can

finally maxed out my 400-500 mbps wifi

[amber canopy]

I had an old HP Envy Phoenix with a 120mm AIO and 3770k in it, I wish i never sold it

unique system

[cerulean wadi]

Nice! Yea I'm sure glad I replaced my old AC1750 netgear a while back though. Always a bottleneck somewhere, but cool to lessen certain ones. Interesting thing will be tuning cpu to see how close (performance) I can get to a 12400. Good thing most games don't use every core, but we'll see. Oh I did find a few 12400T TS results. If stock, seems close to 11400 actually. still massive ipc upgrade from 3rd gen. Last pic is sort of for LuLz.

Yea 12400T on TimeSpy is like an 11400, but whoever cares check out the 800ish MHz difference. (I sure won't mind the lower temp & wattage, will help trying to do a 3080 on 650w, lol --- big UV of course) --another edit: the (new) 12400T was a decent $139. Unlike F sku, it does have IGPU.

[grizzled bloom]

IPC

[amber canopy]

who needs ipc when you can have cores

x99 gang

[grizzled bloom]

cope harder

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-yo-tone-watch-your-tone-gif-24192648

[light iron]

Hello! Please does anyone know how to update the bios of this motherboard? I have read in forums that it is not possible GIGABYTE B460M DS3H AC-Y1 LGA 1200

[hard leaf]

yes, it is possible

not qflash tho, you will need a 10th gen cpu already

oh, seems like it cant run an 11th gen anyway

not even with a bios update

[sudden creek]

Is it possible to use 6600mhz ram on a z690 MSI Edge?

It's rated for 6400mhz but i'm not sure if there is a way I could OC it to use 6600mhz.

[dull flint]

With a little effort you probably could

Z690 4 dimmers it's not surprising to see like, 6400 at most

Depends on your IMC ofc

[sudden creek]

IMC?

[cerulean wadi]

Internal memory controller. Ram itself isn't the only limit. This early ddr5 stuff is why I don't mind doing ballistix for now.

[dull flint]

The speed of the ram is limited by one of 3 things, the ram chips themselves (IC's) the motherboard/motherboard topology and the cpu imc

Maybe sometimes 2 of 3

[sudden creek]

Onto my next question then.

6600cl34-40-40-105 Samsung B-die vs 6000cl36-38-38-76 Hynix M-Die which is better for Intel system?

[dull flint]

6600cl34 is not b die

It's hynix A

6000 cl36 38 38 can be hynix m but depends on the kit

Both hynix m and A should run fine on z690 edge

M is probably better as the board will be the limit

[sudden creek]

Wouldn't it be slower though?

Wondering because both kits are same price (within a couple dollars difference).

[dull flint]

I mean, if xmp only, maybe slower?

The differences would be unnoticeable in a blind test

[cedar kindle]

How important is it that the RAM I buy is on my motherboards QVL list?

[cursive epoch]

Next to none

QVL list is just kits that the board manufacturer has tested on

Any ram will work as long as it's not defective

[cedar kindle]

That’s what I figured, I’ve never really heard it mentioned before until I started deep diving into the 3rd and 4th page motherboard and RAM reviews lol

[brisk lion]

For some reason ny cpu stays at around 97 degrees, the pc doesnt shut off or anything and i replaced the thermal paste and idk what to do about it

It also doesnt shut off under load

It does go lower

Okay its fixed

[dry ferry]

Hi. I’m trying to decide between Intel 12th and 13th gen. How important is the “Intel Threat Detection Technology”! Very curious about why 12 has it but not 13.

[cursive epoch]

It's nothing to really worry about

Also if possible I would just go 13th gen due to performance increases

13600K is faster than 12700K

[cerulean wadi]

In games it even beats 12900K (although that's obvious given that's mainly just a few extra Ecores). Selling 12400T tomorrow. $29 loss is ok. $110 I can put back towards 12600K/12700(K). Also listed b660 mobo so maybe I can switch up to Z690. Funny to think I'm skipping ahead 5 or 6 chipsets.

[light iron]

How could I do it? because of QFlash I can't

[hard leaf]

this

[limber dragon]

Gentle reminder to always mount your cooler properly

[bronze summit]

bruh

what happened

[limber dragon]

Came in with cpu debug light and its a post code 00

Granted the cpu also fell right out, so it may have been that it was never mounted properly

Ya it was just never mounted in properly, its posting with a gravity mount

[amber canopy]

💀

[bronze summit]

Omg

[cinder marsh]

I just upgraded my ram and now one of the sticks aren't recognized

I have 16x2 gb ram installed

@ 3200mhz

It says this

What did I muck up this time around

[cerulean wadi]

Shutdown & reseat em, slot 2 and 4 is preferred. Also enable xmp in the bios so you the 3200 speed.

[cinder marsh]

Slot 2 and slot 4 was already done, haven't done xmp

ah second stick was installed incorrectly

[cerulean wadi]

also if you ever see gold contacts, ram/gpu isn't in enough.

[cinder marsh]

tyty

Now I need help with one more thing, regarding xmp

I see something called DRAM voltage, at base it's 1.200v and the highest number it lets me type is 1.34v

Should I be touching that at all

[cerulean wadi]

xmp will generally set that (Vdimm/ram volts) to 1.35v so shouldn't need to touch it. "1.34" might be fine too though, if you did need to actually input it.

[cinder marsh]

Is this all correct?

[cerulean wadi]

unless to the right is some enable/disable button, yep. I'm thinkin save and exit then should be good. Can download cpu-z to really check cpu/ram info. https://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/cpu-z_2.03-en.zip (although task manager should end up saying 3200 correctly).

[cinder marsh]

tysm

[cerulean wadi]

quick example, ignore that it's ddr3. cpuz reads the MHz speed. 3200 is MT/s (megatransfers/second) so will say 1600MHz on cpu-z. TM is just a lil "dumb" in this way

[cinder marsh]

i see

I think I did something terribly wrong

My PC is stuck in a phase where the case fans are on max throttle with no stop, and the computer itself is not coming on

[cerulean wadi]

restart or hold power button for 4+ seconds until it turns off. Might have to clear cmos. xmp or something might've been funky.

,cmos --edit: hang on, used to another server w/ extra bot commands.

[cinder marsh]

Should I feel resistance when trying to remove it

I don't want to break anything

[cerulean wadi]

There is sort of a clip in 1 spot

[cinder marsh]

That seemed to fix it

Everything is in working order

Thank you very much

[fossil escarp]

hi

can someone help me

im new to pc world

and i wanna update my bios

for motherboard

[light iron]

I don't understand friend, I already have the tenth generation cpu. i3 1015f, but I can't update the bios.

[hollow knot]

do have a flash drive? also go to mb manufacturer website and look for bios driver for that mb model also why do you need to update bios. im the guy if bios could load up os dont bother updating.

[supple wasp]

can someone help me my pc turns on but it won’t display and the green boot led on my motherboard is on as well as the vga one. i unplugged my pc earlier to move it to a different spot and now it just won’t display someone help

[upper aspen]

Have u tried reseating the gpu

Or unplug repair the display cable

[supple wasp]

no

i’m lost

[upper aspen]

Try taking the gpu out and putting it back in

Also unplug the power cables to the gpu and reply’s those in

[upper aspen]

And just to confirm, the HDMI/Display cable is plugged into the GPU and not the motherboard right?

[supple wasp]

yes

[upper aspen]

Check your motherboard manual what does a green lights mean

[supple wasp]

where would i find that

[upper aspen]

it should have came with the mobo, if u dont have u can find one online. Google "X motherboard manual" where X is ur motherboard

[supple wasp]

so where do i go now

[upper aspen]

idk

did u try the gpu thing i reccomdened

[supple wasp]

wait that’s the one for the bios

yes i did

[upper aspen]

im assuming that didnt work

what mobo?

and what gpu

[supple wasp]

tuf gaming b550m plus motherboard

amd 6700xt

[upper aspen]

check if any of these fell out

on the F port thing

[supple wasp]

okay

[upper aspen]

which one is lit up

[supple wasp]

boot led

and vga

vga is white boot is green

[upper aspen]

yeah idk sry mate

try google

[supple wasp]

alright man thanks

[upper aspen]

i gotta go so ill leave u with this: Green boot https://linustechtips.com/topic/875953-green-boot-led-failed-post/
White VGA:https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/cxvxh5/solid_white_vga_light_on_motherboard_flashing/
https://thewiredshopper.com/vga-light-on-motherboard/

[marble knot]

buying sketchy lga 1155 boards a good idea?

[grizzled bloom]

Sketchy how? They won't look as nice as modern boards

[marble knot]

i mean non name brand

like random no name ones

not asus or gigabyte or asrock

[vast meadow]

Like?

Possibly just a brand you've never heard of before like colourful, biostar etc

[amber canopy]

🧐

biostar is still usually garbage lol

[vast meadow]

Not nearly as well known tho

[marble knot]

no brand

https://www.amazon.ca/Motherboard-Desktop-Computer-Mainboard-Support/dp/B095HBM1LP/ref=sr_1_10?crid=18VDI2XKZAEC3&keywords=1155&qid=1672618358&sprefix=1155%2Caps%2C190&sr=8-10

like none

[vast meadow]

Seems to be by yunir

[grizzled bloom]

They covered up the brand with the green paper wtf

[vast meadow]

Amazon specs all say Yunir

[marble knot]

worth it tho?

[vast meadow]

Also it's shipping from china so ehh

You have a lga1155 cpu lying around or something?

[marble knot]

ye

wanna put it in a cabinet

need a small lga 1155 board

[vast meadow]

Personally I'd prefer buying a used one off ebay and not have one shipping from china that looks sus

[marble knot]

so liek a asus board?

[grizzled bloom]

The seller seems pretty standard for China, long shipping times to be expected and lost shipments but when things arrive they're ok

[vast meadow]

Well a board that's not being shipped from china

[marble knot]

so gt a good used asus board?

oh

[vast meadow]

Asus, msi, gigabyte, asrock, biostar, evga, nzxt, supermicro literally just any known brand would be a good idea

[marble knot]

ok

seems liek they are all from china

[grizzled bloom]

This might be ok https://www.ebay.ca/itm/115658397877

Ships from US

[marble knot]

forgot to mention, need gpu. sorry for not mentioning that

1155 boards

[vast meadow]

Sorry typo

Same thing tho
https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=lga+1155+motherboard&_sop=15&LH_PrefLoc=3&LH_ItemCondition=3000|2500|1500|1000

[marble knot]

https://www.amazon.ca/Desktop-Motherboard-USB3-0-Mainboard-Computer/dp/B08F2N6V6Z/ref=sr_1_16?crid=18VDI2XKZAEC3&keywords=1155&qid=1672618358&sprefix=1155%2Caps%2C190&sr=8-16 this any good?

[marble knot]

https://www.amazon.ca/Motherboard-Desktop-Motherbaord-1600MHz-Graphics/dp/B08JG43TD8/ref=sr_1_57?crid=19VOALMPSA2NJ&keywords=lga+1155+motherboard&qid=1672622067&refinements=p_36%3A5000-8500&rnid=12035759011&sprefix=lga+1155%2Caps%2C93&sr=8-57 or this one?

[amber canopy]

Dont buy those bootleg chinese boards

They cost about as much as mainstream boards and are way worse

[marble knot]

cant get a mainstream new for cheap

[amber canopy]

Where are you

[marble knot]

or even used

[marble knot]

ontario

[amber canopy]

No local deals even?

[marble knot]

nope

[amber canopy]

what have you checked

[marble knot]

fb and kijiji

[amber canopy]

nothing on ebay?

[marble knot]

not cheap

and shipped from china

[amber canopy]

What chip are you pairing with it

[marble knot]

i5 3470

[grizzled bloom]

That was Amazon, I suggested one that shipped from US

[amber canopy]

Alright, Ill search around a bit and let you know if I find something.

[marble knot]

there was no pcie 16x slot

[grizzled bloom]

He wanted ITX also

[marble knot]

idk for sure

but it has to be like 11in in height

[amber canopy]

Oh yea, with older boards and hardware in general like LGA1155, dont search big retail sites like amazon or newegg, you'll only find chinese garbage or super overpriced stuff

[marble knot]

the way the arm is facing

m atx will also work

but atx is 12 inches so 1 inch to long

and i cant rotate the other way cuz of io

[marble knot]

i have seen that yeah

[marble knot]

@amber canopy found a cheap chinese one for 20$ on fb

the person responded

so ill get that then

[amber canopy]

which one

i mean, if its cheap enough, then sure, but hopefully its not too unreliable of a board

[marble knot]

the orange one

[amber canopy]

I mean, since it's so cheap it's your choice if you want to risk it

Im not familiar with that board and Im not sure I'd be able to find useful information on it without a bunch of effort lol

[cerulean wadi]

Nostalgia alert. Micron D9GKX chips. Easily hit 1200+. 4x1GB & stock was 1066 cL 5-5-5-15.

[amber canopy]

micron 🤮

[cerulean wadi]

That's vomit color for sure. 2000cL7 is solid though.

[amber canopy]

how is that vomit color 😠

[cerulean wadi]

Idk, but interesting reply when it's not even the same generation. Various micron D9___ stuff was top dawg for ddr2. W/ the flat timings and all, I also sort of think of it almost like a Sammy Bdie bother in law if that makes since.

[amber canopy]

yes ddr3 bettar

flat timings arent really special either

[cerulean wadi]

Cool starry bra. No random ping, thnx.

[amber canopy]

@cerulean wadi

[dull flint]

Ok, chicken soup colour

[amber canopy]

thats better

soup is good

[dull flint]

Great food

Not great to look at

[grizzled bloom]

Fun fact:
What we consider to be artificial flavor for banana is actually closer to how they tasted before we genetically modified them so they could survive extinction from disease. The type of banana that was threatened by disease survived but we still use the more resistant bananas primarily.

So the bananas we know today are technically the artificial flavored ones

[willow valve]

in the one left of the motherboard cable?

which one does the cpu cable go in ?

[scenic solar]

P8 connectors (the ones with 10 pins) are for your CPU, I think the motherboard cable splits into two parts and you have to connect one to the 8 pin under P8

[hard leaf]

cables are usually labeled as well, you should use that as guidance as well

[vast meadow]

Check the manual

[vast meadow]

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i5-13500-cpu-benchmarked-faster-than-the-i5-12600k-at-a-lower-price/

14 core 13500

[cursive epoch]

yep

13400 seems to be 6p+4e tho

10 core

[vast meadow]

Still very nice

[cursive epoch]

ya, still pretty good

[bronze summit]

My 13600k is 14 core

[dull flint]

L2 brrrr

[cerulean wadi]

Even that single core is pretty good. Gotta stay under $220 for me, but this might be my eventual pick instead of 12600K. 13400 should be even better wattage/gaming efficiency, but I wonder of price.

[fickle oyster]

Hey guys how’s it going? Happy new year! I’ve got another question that I posted to Reddit but have so far gotten no reply after like 2 weeks. Any help is greatly appreciated

[cursive epoch]

Where did you plug hdmi cable into?

Back of motherboard or gpu?

[fickle oyster]

To gpu. My cousin has been using this pc for like a year or so now. This problem recently popped up

This is the video I recorded

[cursive epoch]

hm

well since the pc is pretty much caked with dust

i'd open it up and clean everything up

[fickle oyster]

Another thing to note is he’s tried other hdmi cables and TVs/monitors but still no video output despite everything turning on

[cursive epoch]

maybe pcie slot might've gotten dirty, it's possible

[fickle oyster]

That’s a good place to start. I’ll tell him to try it out

To thoroughly clean j use isopropyl alcohol and some Cotten swabs right?

[cursive epoch]

yeah

do wipe or brush excess dust off first tho

makes it easier to clean

[fickle oyster]

Thank you a bunch. I’ll keep that in mind

[vast meadow]

Just a dry paper towel /canned air is fine tbh

I would try reseating the graphics card and ram and making sure the cables are properly connected to the graphics card

[vast meadow]

B760 boards are out

[burnt spear]

Pog

[vast meadow]

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-13400f-core-i5-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118431

[burnt spear]

Do you know how the 13400f and 13500 compare to the 13600k?

[vast meadow]

13100 has no e cores

[burnt spear]

With 13400f at $210 rn I'm not really regretting 13600k for $300

[vast meadow]

I'm not sure haven't checked the clocks and cache yet bur it looks like they'll be close

Mhm

Free intel screwdriver tho

[burnt spear]

Damn, where's my intel screwdriver

[hard leaf]

looks like a pen

[vast meadow]

I mean out the box, 13600k compared to 13400 gets an extra 500mhz on p cores, 600mhz e cores, 4mb more l3 cache (for the extra e cores) an extra 10.5mb of l2 cache and allowed to draw more power

Although 13500 looking compelling

[hard leaf]

still 210 for an almost 13600k is kinda.... tasty

ngl

[vast meadow]

Yeah biggest difference is the l2 cache ngl

[hard leaf]

intel is hitting hard and fast

also... tuesday

sees myself out

[burnt spear]

If I had waited till now, I'd go 13500

But that would mean having waited a year to buy a new cpu lol

Almost anyways

[vast meadow]

like 3 months but ye

also way less l2 cache on 13500 so

one interesting thing is the non k'd only officially support 4800mhz but 13600k officially supports up to 5600mhz, also 13500 igpu has an extra 50mhz and same number of exec units for some reason

[lyric turret]

I had a i7-12700K before I got the KF is there anything I should
Do after i installed the KF

[hard leaf]

no

both are identical

just the kf does not have an internal gpu

wait? which kf did you get?

[lyric turret]

I7-12700KF

[hard leaf]

yeah, both are the same

[lyric turret]

Oh alright ty!

[lyric turret]

can i unistall this? i dont got any nvidia in my computer

[hard leaf]

yes

[lyric turret]

what is it?

[hard leaf]

some apps to run with nvidia chips

if you dont have an nvidia gpu then they are useless

[edgy quartz]

I was referred to this discord server after asking a Newegg representative a question about an order I had can someone help me?

[burnt spear]

Depends on what the question is

Still find it funny that newegg customer service is so useless they use a discord server where none of us get paid as their proper support

[minor bolt]

I have this motherboard and need to buy some ram for it.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145371?Description=gigabyte h610m s2h ddr4&cm_re=gigabyte_h610m s2h ddr4-_-13-145-371-_-Product

Would this work?
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236541?Description=‎CMK32GX4M2E3200C16&cm_re=‎CMK32GX4M2E3200C16-_-20-236-541-_-Product

[vast meadow]

itll work but its pretty pricey this would be a better choice https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

[minor bolt]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[vast meadow]

no problem

[bronze summit]

I think I applied a little to much

[grizzled bloom]

Only a little, that's not too bad

[toxic void]

Guys Mushkin is a good brand of Rams?

Or TeamGroup T-Create

[amber canopy]

(i love old mushin tho)

[toxic void]

Are Muchkin Redline

[bronze summit]

Most was on aio with this new pressure mount when I took it off

[crimson coyote]

anybody have ideas on how to fix this? or is it something fixable? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/779398856176959490/1059986178813722775/1681.png

im sure part of it has to do with background processes running but tbh i dont care to try the benchmark without them running because they arent things im ever going to close during normal use

and im pretty confident that theres no way only 11% background usage is putting me into 3rd percentile, there has to be more to it right?

[vast meadow]

To be honest with you just get the cheapest kit of the capacity you want at the speed you want actual models of ram hardly matters

[grizzled bloom]

The exact model number is what we need to say if it's good, since every brand makes good and bad kits

[grizzled bloom]

!ubm

[devout moth]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[grizzled bloom]

Also 11% background task usage is absolutely enough to skew your results really badly

[toxic void]

MRF4U320EJJP16GX2

[mild jackal]

Actually - you can tell the cpu is probably thermal throttling from that ubm run

[toxic void]

This is the exact model looks very solid are new released btw

[mild jackal]

single core is fine, multi is not

UBM really is useful as a diagnostic tool, but in the future, link the result vs posting a screenshot

@crimson coyote

[toxic void]

I think the same, i read the chipset is only created by a small group of brands. Changes are in the chell

[grizzled bloom]

Seems ok but I don't think that's b-die, maybe rev.e or something. What CPU are you putting this with and are you planning to overclock it?

[mild jackal]

Check temps with coretemp/occt/hwinfo to confirm, then repaste/figure it out from there

[toxic void]

I has a R5 5600

[grizzled bloom]

You'd be good with a 3600 c18 kit then if you're not overclocking

3200 too low for Ryzen

[mild jackal]

I'd guess cjr/ajr/mjr, 3200 14 18 18 is a weird bin

[grizzled bloom]

Def weird

[crimson coyote]

ok i could definitely believe pasting might be the problem so ill try that ty

[mild jackal]

[crimson coyote]

also i had heard about ubm being unreliable but im not really doing anything serious with it besides checking out my own hardware so i didnt think it would be a problem

[mild jackal]

I think it's a fantastic tool when used correctly. Most people don't.

You should see close to these numbers, though this is at 5.1 all core

actually nvm, I think they changed the points scale

I recommend using OCCT instead

[grizzled bloom]

One of these if you're not overclocking. They'll get about 98% of the fps a top tier kit would at xmp. https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/nvjNnQ,KV4BD3,PJ6qqs,snvdnQ/

[crimson coyote]

mine was stable above 5 but i figured it was just increasing the temps unnecessarily since i was probably gpu bound before regardless

[toxic void]

Thank you bro. I appreciate that

[mild jackal]

If you want rgb for $10 more https://www.newegg.com/oloy-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821371

[vast meadow]

Correct, ram dies (chips) are only made my samsung, micron (crucial), sk hynix and a few smaller brands that are v rare like nanya

[toxic void]

Yees

[mild jackal]

b-die

[amber canopy]

❤️

[cerulean wadi]

Of course not counting value, hehe. Is that chart mainly for 1-2 dimm usage? I figure 4dimms might be a much different result for certain dies.

[grizzled bloom]

That's more up to the memory controller iirc

[mild jackal]

ECC

[mild jackal]

Kinda, m8e, m16b are very light on the controller vs b-die

You'll probably still get better performance on b-die

[amber canopy]

still very good

lol

[mild jackal]

Supposedly those are binned better, could always flash them down to 64 bit

[amber canopy]

supposedly binned better? i havent heard of that

[mild jackal]

Sparky bought a ton of ecc d-die for that reason

[cerulean wadi]

Ah yea. I was mainly looking how M16E for some reason is C tier. Oh right, among other perks B-die does do the extra low trfc and such.

[mild jackal]

idk how that turned out

[amber canopy]

ill ask him about that, sounds itneresting

[mild jackal]

yeah, 16gbit rev.e is not good. 16 b is basically e but better and more dense afaik

[amber canopy]

Ive been conidering getting into 2gbit ddie since my gdie simply does not work well on the r4be

real shame honestly

quad channel 2900C8 with subtimings as tight as gdie's can go would be pretty sweet

[grizzled bloom]

140ns tRFC or less is pretty standard

[cerulean wadi]

vs some non b-die I mean. Forks, perhaps someone was mixed up on M16E being 16gbit or 8gbit for that Tier rating, because mine is 8gbit.

[amber canopy]

you still have a ton of ECC ddie right? i might be willing to buy some off you in bulk assuming youd sell them

[mild jackal]

I think it's all single rank

[amber canopy]

oh

[crimson coyote]

maybe unrelated to my last question, any idea what this is or how to fix it? https://streamable.com/m3vjuw

you would think its a fan but its definitely not, i stopped every fan in the pc individually. sounds like its coming from the area between bottom of cpu cooler and top of gpu or near that

ill probably try unplugging and replugging everything on my mobo tmrw to see if something is slightly loose maybe

[eternal helm]

Most likely coil whine from a capacitor. Not really much fix for it I would reccomend, some cases having it really work in a stress test for a bit can solve it, altho not too common that it works (in my experience)

I have cool whine too, it is what it is. Can't hear it with headphones atleast lol

[crimson coyote]

capacitor on the motherboard?

[eternal helm]

Sometimes also capping your frame rate will help with it, just cap it above what the monitor is rated for

[dull flint]

Most likely the gpu coil whine

[eternal helm]

On GPU most likely

It's quite common with gaming PC sadly

[dull flint]

All gpu's have coil whine just in varying degrees

If you try a game or something you might hear that sound change

Provided the fans aren't overly loud

[eternal helm]

Which is where frame cap helps sometimes

My experience is that when in loading screens esp, coil whine is the worst

Because you're getting like thousands of fps lol

[crimson coyote]

ok yeah the sound changed pitch earlier and it was in a loading screen

[eternal helm]

Yeah that's something a frame rate cap I'll fix for it being louder in loading screen

[dull flint]

That's 100% coil whine then

[eternal helm]

Nividia control panel should have the options for it

Would reccomend capping it a bit above what monitor refresh rate is

[sudden creek]

I look forward to my 13900K arriving. 😭 my 10700f is struggling to keep up with the stuff I am creating on World Painter.

[hard leaf]

lucky me, i still use mspaint

my 13600kf handle it no problem

[bronze summit]

what i like about DDR5 is 1 it can get hotter and 2 a wattage readout

[amber canopy]

g.skill has the best ram change my mind

[dull flint]

V color OP pls nerf

[amber canopy]

honestly an L opinion

I bought some adata dimms

[amber canopy]

@dull flint https://www.ebay.com/itm/255908747205

single rank mfr

[dull flint]

You said best ram not the yuck

[amber canopy]

what lol

[dull flint]

What the yuck man

[amber canopy]

?????????/

[dull flint]

[amber canopy]

u mean adata?

i mean any company can hav3e good ram

[dull flint]

Yes but then you posted ddr3 and that lost all weight

I uh...lost like, 3 kits of adata ddr5 to a bad psu??

Like dead dead

55 post code fried

[toxic void]

Guys im planning to stay en 32gb of rams, ok, then is better 4x8gb or 2x16. For performance

[cursive epoch]

2x16 is always better

since it puts less load on imc

that is unless the cpu and board supports quad channel ram

otherwise just do two dimm

[rain badger]

and besides

most consumer grade hardware doesn't support quad channel anyways

so there's not really a point of getting 4x8

[dull flint]

2x16 is also nice if you decide to switch to itx at some point

[rain badger]

^

and also leaves some upgrade headroom

[amber canopy]

x79 gang

quad channel

baller

[willow valve]

Hello, I have a b450 board, is it possible to update the bios to 5000 series with a 2000 series cpu installed in it?

[hollow thorn]

As long as your board has a bios that supports it, you can.

[willow valve]

you mean has been updated in the past or as long as it supports 5000 series cpus

[cerulean wadi]

Uh both. It's possible a bios for 5000 series might not have support for the 2000 series, so might be a situation of updating to new bios then immediately swapping cpu. ( w/Pc off, obviously). Depends on the mobo. Glance over the bios page of your mobo support site.

[toxic void]

I see my MOBO is Dual Channel, so is better run for 2x16GB for better performance. Dual channel tu run complete speeds of both sticks

[hollow thorn]

Yes..?

Higher bandwidth with dual channel and better performance

[toxic void]

Are you trolling me? Jajajajaja

Im a newbie jjajajaja

[grizzled bloom]

No, 2 sticks really is best for dual channel boards

[toxic void]

Ahh ok ok jajaja

[mild jackal]

jajaja

[amber canopy]

(laughs in spanish)

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/gasp-in-spanish-spanish-gasp-gif-13289635

[surreal ivy]

I am looking to upgrade a pre-built PC i got through amazon. I have the specs, but am otherwise inept on what would be the best options for me. Anyone able to give me some recommendations?

[upper aspen]

ask away

[surreal ivy]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0845LJMZW/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_R95PSQHXS6AQNP0D62E9_0#productDetails

That's the one I have, I upped the RAM already to 16, trying to figure out what the most bang for my buck would be on the next component

[upper aspen]

ohh boy

[upper aspen]

how much did u pay and when did u buy it

[surreal ivy]

~500 and this would be.... 2021 thanksgiving-christmas time...

[upper aspen]

mmmmm

thats actually not terrable for the time

its a very old system

I think u need a new everything, there isnt really a single part to upgrade

[surreal ivy]

copy that. new comp and turn this one into a learning pc for myself.

might as well start fresh at that point

[upper aspen]

yeah

[surreal ivy]

appreciate it

[upper aspen]

u need a new CPU, and bc its so old its really worth getting a newer gen one, which means u need a newer motherboard which wont be compatable with yee old ddr3 ram. Also the gpu could use an upgrade

@surreal ivy

[surreal ivy]

thanks again!

[grizzled bloom]

Hello beauties https://youtu.be/0yJZjegRDpA

[eternal helm]

as if the current lineup didnt already cost too much...

[grizzled bloom]

144MB of total cache

These CPUs have more than twice the memory of my first PC

[mild jackal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185615891346

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah but that's HEDT

[mild jackal]

lol but the cache!

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah but it's shared among 64 cores

[amber canopy]

yea but the cache

[grizzled bloom]

Granted yes that's still 12MB per core vs 9MB per core on 7950X3D

But 7900X3D having 140MB gets it close to 12 per core

[eternal helm]

lots of cash for cache tho

[cursive epoch]

140mb of cache

jeez that's massive

[eternal helm]

that thing is gonna shred val lol

[mild jackal]

Kinda, each ccd still gets a big block of cache

[cursive epoch]

intel probs gonna get slapped in the face in gaming

[grizzled bloom]

It's gonna shred everything except synthetics

[cursive epoch]

if it's like this

wonder what 14th gen brings

[eternal helm]

i think i know a specific entity that will take full advantage of this downfall

[grizzled bloom]

chiplets tiles

[cursive epoch]

i know that, but perf tho, i wonder about that

[grizzled bloom]

They're having trouble with the design though, it's not looking good

[cursive epoch]

sad

[grizzled bloom]

Like 6p 8e i9 bad

[cursive epoch]

anyway on mobile emd

end*

intel seems to have expanded their HX naming down to even i5 lmao

13450HX to be put into dell g15

[grizzled bloom]

What no 13g53hx

[cursive epoch]

lol

that's probably reserved to P and U series

[grizzled bloom]

I'm surprised at their lack of number soup

[cursive epoch]

something like 1350P

hm 13450HX looks to have 6p 4e

that's not bad

[grizzled bloom]

For laptops E cores make a lot of sense

[cursive epoch]

better than amd's 7000 series naming at least

im sure zen 3 will still be sold in next gen laptops

[grizzled bloom]

What you don't want a 7900X+7900XT system?

[eternal helm]

except when they still dont help it in battery life at all

[cursive epoch]

i meant mobile 7k

where the name is just meaningless

it's not zen 4 only but rather 1-4

[grizzled bloom]

Oh where they have the different gens coded into the name?

[cursive epoch]

yes

[grizzled bloom]

Like 7720 or w/e that's a zen+

[eternal helm]

https://youtu.be/S64_a7PChzs?t=114

[cursive epoch]

misleading as hell

[eternal helm]

what do you think the cause of this was?

because its a major major difference

nearly 2x

[cursive epoch]

i swear to god if zen 2 gets slapped into gaming laptops im gonna be mad

[mild jackal]

tbh I think the epyc naming convention makes a lot of sense

As does most amd consumer

[eternal helm]

like sure 12700h is a tiny bit faster than a 6800h but damn

[grizzled bloom]

It is

[eternal helm]

youd think ecores would do something here

[cursive epoch]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-updates-mobile-cpu-numbers

the juicy chart on how to decode

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, each digit means another F U to average consumers

[cursive epoch]

exactly what they're doing

i love amd for efficiency but um

okay, fine

i guess i can just research and take my time

google is just seconds away

problem is most buyers won't bother googling the cpu

[grizzled bloom]

Imagine someone buying a 7910E expecting top tier performance

[cursive epoch]

and end up with outdated cpu on brand new laptop

which probably costs them a lot too

[cursive epoch]

only to get zen 1's trash efficiency and perf

[grizzled bloom]

And only a 9W chip at that

[cursive epoch]

slower than haswell

[grizzled bloom]

Because by now we're trained that E and X mean extreme

[cursive epoch]

idk why HS needs to exist

it's literally H, no?

the s probably means scam

[grizzled bloom]

Interesting claims

Even if it's 15-20% better on average that'll still make it top dog

[dull flint]

I expected this

[cursive epoch]

i guess i'll just keep an eye on the third number for ANY 7k mobile ryzen

and the last letter

which is easy enough

none matters

[grizzled bloom]

Or just don't buy AMD mobile

Show them it's a bad move

[cursive epoch]

but battery life tho

intel always sucks at that

[eternal helm]

Atleast apple has their crap together

[dull flint]

And yes, this could be enough to beat tuned 13th if they average that high

[eternal helm]

Buy a MBA

[dull flint]

But I doubt it'll be minimum 20% better

I reckon it's a bit lower

[cursive epoch]

i don't have mac kinda money

[eternal helm]

xD

[cursive epoch]

im just trying to collect money for 4050 laptop

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's probably cherry picked, which is why I'd expect 15-20

[eternal helm]

Ubm is gonna have a field day with these x3d, due to the lower productivity than gaming thing

[cursive epoch]

all i want is just latest gpu with 6 gigs vram

for 700-800

[dull flint]

And yet 7950x3d will have multicore parity

[eternal helm]

"these chips don't perform well in synthetic tests for how much they cost"

I bet that'll be on there

[cursive epoch]

[dull flint]

I bet our first leak will be ubm

Who wants to bet

[grizzled bloom]

Nah they won't even talk about performance and compare cost to 12th gen

[dull flint]

Taking bets now

20:1 odds

[eternal helm]

Hmm

[grizzled bloom]

Nah cpu-z

[dull flint]

1:15 odds

[cursive epoch]

first leaks is usually cpu-z or geekbench

[dull flint]

Last zen 4 early leak was ubm and ubm went mad

[cursive epoch]

mad trashing on it?

[dull flint]

Yes ofc

[cursive epoch]

LMAO

[grizzled bloom]

They were trashing it just from rumors, not even leaks

Surprised the new chips aren't on there already

[cursive epoch]

lolol

[grizzled bloom]

Yep I still love that their "review" is just them pitching a fit

[cursive epoch]

CPUPro, more like IntelShill

[dull flint]

That was august 6th(?) Iirc

Very early

[cursive epoch]

intel never paid em a dime

yet they shill them so hard

that intel reddit has to ban em

[dull flint]

15-20% I could believe them leading even overclocked intel

Ram speed won't really mean jack

If I switched I'd direct die it tho

I don't really wanna switch either

[grizzled bloom]

Wouldn't have to shave too much off the IHS because thicker package

[dull flint]

Nah just direct die

Vcache is hot af

Forget normal speeds at 95c

I'd put that baby on ddie and watch it barely peak 90

[grizzled bloom]

I'd never risk a delid personally

[dull flint]

Derbauer proved it makes an enormous difference on zen 4

20-30C difference

[grizzled bloom]

I know the new TG tool is supposed to be almost foolproof but still

[dull flint]

Sure, I could shave the ihs but bleh

[grizzled bloom]

Right, with the Uber thick IHS

[dull flint]

Anyway bbl

[cursive epoch]

amd with cooler compatibility be like

haha ihs go thicc

[grizzled bloom]

Omfg the "free gift" with the new 13th gen chips is a pen

It says Intel on it though so totally worth the quoted $10

[cursive epoch]

lmao

[dull flint]

Hmmmmmmm

I need more info

[cerulean wadi]

For $65ish cheaper than 12600K & decent mobo, I keep thinking of 12400 + bclk oc mobo. (Link is a 2nd sort of example) https://www.overclock.net/threads/overclocked-intel-core-i5-12400-vs-the-new-raptor-lake-i5-13600k-review.1802000

[dull flint]

Bclk oc is good but those boards afaik haven't been historically cheap

Find one used tho? You might get lucky

[cerulean wadi]

Indeed. $200 new isn't all that bad. I'll end up paying that much on a Z anyways. Gotta see what 3770+3080 can do 1st, lol. Can't wait.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdpzK8/msi-mag-b660m-mortar-max-wifi-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mag-b660m-mortar-max-wifi-ddr4

[burnt spear]

Forget which it is, but $155 asrock z690 with bios flash

[cerulean wadi]

Yep, $350 for 12400 oc setup, $400+ on 12700k/13600k setup (no MC). Only thing is mATX isn't my main pick. Actually I kinda regret reselling my 12400T & b660 proart. $99 sale on that mobo was gooood.

[vast meadow]

matx is honestly fine its not ideal if you want to add a wifi card or something but most boards can fit that in the bottom slot even with a 3x slot gpu

[cerulean wadi]

Ah partly for an extra 1 or 2 m.2 slots, although I'm not Warpig. Mortax max is overall a good mobo. Gotta do some 3770+3080 benches.

[vast meadow]

Yeah you def should have kept the 100$ b660 pro art but sure what can ya do

[cerulean wadi]

Didn't mention I sold for a decent 155, so overall a lil profit at least. Indeed wish I bought a few & kept 1. It's ok.

[cold helm]

Hello Peeps, I just have a question regarding Ram. If i get 2x DDR4-3600 CL19-20-20-40 1.35V 32GB (2x16GB) total 64 GB. Do you know if these support 2x Dual Channel?

[dull flint]

oof

depends on the cpu and board tbh

[cold helm]

im using teh asus z690 D4 mobo and 13th gen 17 13700KF

i know the RAM is compatible with the mobo, but was wondering if it would support 2x dual channel or would it be single channel across.

[amber canopy]

Yes that would work in dual channel if you have four DIMMs in total.

[cold helm]

ok awesome. Thanks!

also if cpuz shows 2 x 64bit with 64 Gigabytes does that mean its already running in Dual channel?

[amber canopy]

You can check to see what Channel Interleaving mode you're running here in CPU-z

So ideally with your PC it should say "Dual" there

[cold helm]

This is what it currently shows

ah can't post the screenshot here

[amber canopy]

you can just DM it to me

[cold helm]

Sounds good. Thanks

Thanks again guys for all the lpe

help

[amber canopy]

[formal bolt]

Should i get the 5800x or spend the extra 40 bux for the 5800X3D

[dull flint]

Definitely 40 extra is worth doing

But you'll need more than a $60 cooler for x3d

Easily

[formal bolt]

Ah

time to save

[formal bolt]

oh

or should i get the 5900X for basicly the same price

[dull flint]

R u gaming or editing

[formal bolt]

gaming

[dull flint]

X3D

[formal bolt]

alr

[dull flint]

X3D trades blows with 13th gen while 5900X is more like a tuned 10th/11th gen competitor

Not even that

Stock 10th/11th

[formal bolt]

ic

[grizzled bloom]

Funny enough the 5900X tends to have lower fps lows than the 5800X because of the dual CCD

Meaning more stuttering

[amber canopy]

@dull flint it hath arriveth

the single rank MFR

[cerulean wadi]

Gonna take that to 2400ish or nah?

[grizzled bloom]

It's rated for 2400, he'll probably try to get it to something crazy like 2800

[amber canopy]

Goal is around 4000

but that's for the future, I dont have a RAM pot so i cant put them under LN2

i could probably jerry rig something to put them under dice but eh

[grizzled bloom]

Ah LN2, yeah I was going off ambient lol

[amber canopy]

Plus i need to learn to properly OC mfr

[amber canopy]

the 4 other dimms arrive tomorrow lol

[cerulean wadi]

Awesome, because there was another set I thought you weren't even gonna do 2400. 3000+ on ddr3 is wild.

[amber canopy]

what do you mean by the first sentence?

[dull flint]

MFR has the worst abbreviation

[cerulean wadi]

Best*. Far, no seriously there was a kit you posted earlier today or last night & mentioned maybe doing more like 2000c7 or something.

[grizzled bloom]

Or the best depending on who you ask

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/farcry6-gif-23383353

[dull flint]

I could technically call Far a ram kit and he'd like it

Cos it's ddr3

[amber canopy]

huh? i dont remember saying something like that, or maybe my brain really isnt working

my brain kinda feels like it isnt working

maybe i should eat food 👁️ 👄 👁️

[dull flint]

You should you MFR (ddr3)

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-voices-in-my-head-voices-cat-gif-23453583

[amber canopy]

these? https://www.ebay.com/itm/255908747205

These are the 4 dimms that haventr arrived

they're the exact same as the two that i just posted

[cerulean wadi]

Nah found the msg, but it was just me misunderstood when I read "not that fast". (Wrongly referring to doing under 2400).

[amber canopy]

oh okay

[dull flint]

I mean it's ddr3

"not that fast" is expected

[cerulean wadi]

4800 ddr4 wasn't common though.

[amber canopy]

no thats not why i said that

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhhhh-shots-fired-gif-8504572

[dull flint]

[amber canopy]

2400 isnt fast for MFR because of the super loose timings it has to run

i was just speaking in general

I have dimms that can do 2400C7,C8 and other tight timings which is good

thats what i use for benching

[dull flint]

I love that you're a little defensive about it

[amber canopy]

no im just saying you're wrong DTUSTUPID

[dull flint]

AHSTUPIPIPID

[cerulean wadi]

Now that's what I'm talking about. Most of my past oc was ddr2 like taking my kingston from 1066 to 1300ish w/ the stock 5-5-5-15 timing & barely above stock voltage. I liked when everything started w/ flat timings, no reason though.

[dull flint]

I mean

Even ddr5 has flat timings

[amber canopy]

jedec lol

[dull flint]

But limits of the kit yeah

You won't be running flat fr

[amber canopy]

thankfully most ddr3 is pretty well documented now

can know what you're gonna get before you buy it

[dull flint]

Same is true for a lot of ddr4 and most of ddr5 rn

Lol

[amber canopy]

dont buy jedec bin kits

[dull flint]

People are even mapping the naked jedec stick kits out now for like, 4800's

Well

That's awkward

[amber canopy]

they're probably binning rejects even if it's a good IC

[dull flint]

Rejects sure, but for D5 that limit is a long way above the board or imc

[amber canopy]

unless it's some OEM stuff that the company didnt care about

[dull flint]

Hynix go brrrr

Samsung pretty limited tho, micron too

[amber canopy]

micron has always been mid

[dull flint]

May as well just not even try with those

Any hynix and you have a good longevity planned for ddr5 as far as the outlook is

When the sticks wall in the 5 digit MT/s

[amber canopy]

ddr3-4400 👁️ 👄 👁️

[cerulean wadi]

Unlike ddr5, at least w/ ddr4 & 3 the ram itself is most of the limit. oh snap (for a while)

[amber canopy]

well yea ddr5 is still super new

[dull flint]

If we ever had more of Intel's optimisation with ddr4 for another gen or two

[amber canopy]

eh, ddr5 is better tech anyway

[dull flint]

We may have seen 4800+ gear 1

Yeah but like

Ddr4 still fast

Irrelevant beyond a point but still strong parity esp. tuned

[cerulean wadi]

What about z490, was that what could do pretty high gear 1?

[dull flint]

I mean at reasonable ambient tbf

Z490/Z590 on 10th was a bit nuts

Gigglebit go brrr

11th too but that was gear 2

[amber canopy]

@dull flint g3258 ftw

[grizzled bloom]

Near world record there, Splave topped out at 4410. Record is 4620.

[amber canopy]

I'm aware lol

[dense heart]

I did a bios update and now have no display on either monitor, white vga light is on

[vast meadow]

what motherboard and cpu do you have?

[dense heart]

Have a z390-a and i5 9600k

[vast meadow]

thats odd does your motherboard have bios flashback?

[dense heart]

Not sure

[vast meadow]

is is msi z390-a pro or asus prime z390-a?

[dense heart]

Asus

[vast meadow]

this one ye?

[dense heart]

Yep

[vast meadow]

doesnt look like it has flashback

[vital goblet]

the upper right has the 4 POST LEDs right?

[dense heart]

Yeah it shows the others before it just leaves that one on

[vital goblet]

and you don’t have a KF chip?

[dense heart]

The i5?

[vital goblet]

Yes

[dense heart]

Let me check

[vital goblet]

If it’s not a KF SKU, try pulling your GPU and using the iGPU

[dense heart]

I tried that already

[vital goblet]

Have you tried with no USB devices?

[dense heart]

No

They also aren’t on

[vital goblet]

unplug all USB devices

[dense heart]

Ok

Still not doing anything

[vital goblet]

F I guess

[dense heart]

Is there not anything i can do?

[vast meadow]

clear cmos?

might work its a longshot but

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[dull flint]

It's showing a white post light so it's making it to bios

Try cmos

[dense heart]

So remove battery wait a few minutes and put it back in?

[dull flint]

Ye

[dense heart]

Ok

[amber canopy]

@dull flint guess what

[dull flint]

More ram turned up?

[amber canopy]

THEY HAVE ARRIVED.

LETS GOOOOO

[dull flint]

GET PREDICTED AGAIN

[amber canopy]

You know my every move

[dull flint]

[amber canopy]

The writing on the PCB looks familiar, and iirc, it's a really good PCB

I'd have to double check tho

So now I have.... 14 single rank mfr sticks in total

[dull flint]

Why do you have so many mfr's in ur house

[amber canopy]

I'll get to binning them soon, and actually soon this time since I have the motivation now

[amber canopy]

🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

[dull flint]

Ah binning

[amber canopy]

Yea, ddr3 wr frequency will be unattainable for me for probably a long while, but I think I have a shot at having the fastest memory on X79. Current record is 2002MHz

Glad to be messing with MFR too, ugh, I'm so tired of gdie and psc

[dense heart]

Now that I’ve done that do i just put the gpu and everything back in now?

[dull flint]

Ye

[amber canopy]

@dull flint turns out it isn't mfr

It's just bfr

[dull flint]

[amber canopy]

I have other adata dimms of the same bin that are MFR so I figured these would be as well

[dense heart]

It worked

Now how do i overclock my memory again lol

Only done it once when i built this 2 years ago

[dull flint]

F1

Then you need to find XMP profile or D.O.C.P

And enable profile 1

[dense heart]

Alright

Thanks

Question is, do I reinstall this

[amber canopy]

Whyd they put BFR on a nice PCB instead of MFR bro. @dull flint

[dense heart]

Should I install it or just hit cancel?

[cerulean wadi]

We don't need extra crap to "help install" drivers, lol.

[dense heart]

figured lol

as for my memory

i booted up and only thing open is discord and it's at 33%

i have 16gb

[cerulean wadi]

5/15 = what? Yep, 33% (For example) don't need 32GB unless you routinely hit 15+. Plenty of people still have 16GB.

[dense heart]

5/15?

[cerulean wadi]

Slash = divided*, was just an easier fraction.

[vast meadow]

That's normal especially with a lot of startup items

[dense heart]

only startup i have is razer and nielsenonline

[vast meadow]

What the hell is the 2nd one

[dense heart]

it's a thing that tracks what you do online and pays you

[vast meadow]

I would immediately uninstall that and change all my passwords

And get new credit cards if you used them to pay

Possibly reinstall windows imo

That sounds awful

[dense heart]

it doesn't track that stuff

only looks at websites you visit and just things you do online doesn't look at any personal information

[vast meadow]

Sureeeeee

[dense heart]

lol just look it up

[dull flint]

Nielsenonline?

[dense heart]

yea?

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/betise-gif-18497781

[vast meadow]

When things are paying you for that, you are the product, they may say they only take what they say but criminals often say they didn't do their crimes

[dense heart]

if you think about it this way our data is already getting taken by multiple websites on a daily basis so why not get a little reward for it lol

[vast meadow]

Because they don't have access to every file on your pc

[dull flint]

I like the way you think but also it's still sus

Lol

[vast meadow]

This program will have access to anything you have unencrypted on your pc

[dense heart]

I've had it for a while and nothing has happened

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/yet-not-yet-working-on-it-trying-not-quite-gif-15534893

[eternal helm]

Well yeah that you know of

But then again, how much of your info has Google sold?
Answer: nobody knows except them

[long geyser]

Right (legal/non-harmful) data in the wrong hands can still get you punished. Few cases of Google overreacting to certain issues and banning Google accounts/phones (generally if said user is on a Pixel phone). Then due to poor CS and company policies nothing can be recovered.

Even if you have nothing to hide, you still have things to hide as you are still at risk.

[cerulean wadi]

Remember that ddr3 talk? Came across these decent numbers 11 yrs ago. -- Edit, had to look up that Corsair SSD, $460ish for 240GB. 🤣 2012 to around 2018 sure has massive changes for ssds

[grizzled bloom]

"Unreleased"